Re: ROLL CALL!!!

[Tracy Smith]

I'm here as well. Just lurking. I haven't done too much for the last few
years (since covid). I do enjoy seeing the discussions and work being done.

Tracy

On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 AM Owner  wrote:

> Yea Craig, the move made me realize I need to consolidate and upgrade my
> equipment so I’m selling off my Delta DJ-20 8” jointer  and Powermatic
> 209HH 20 Planer in favor of a 16” Fielder silent cutter head
>  jointer-planer to create more space.
>
> Michael Kratky
> 492 County Rd 113
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
> Res (518) 863-2821
> Mobile (518) 207-7247
>
> Email;
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2023, at 7:17 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey there Mike.
>
> I am glad to hear, You are still on this side of the daisies.
> But WOW, a lot has happened since we last heard form you.
>
> Take care, Be safe and Please let us know how you are doing.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 05:50:18 PM EDT, Owner <
> krat...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everybody.
>
> Still vertical just sold out lock stock and barrel and move to a new
> location with a 36’ wide X 32’ deep 3 bay work shop where all my equipment
> is parked; needs insulation, wall board, wiring, heat and AC so I have my
> work cut out for me not to mention I’m scheduled for both knees to get
> replaced in 2 1/2 months which will put me down for 6 months to a year
> depending who you talk to.
>
> Will be looking to rent a place in Florida for the winter to recuperate if
> anyone reading this has something to rent there.
>
> Kind regards,
> Michael Kratky
> 492 County Rd 113
> Northville, N.Y. 12134
>
> Res (518) 863-2821
> Mobile (518) 207-7247
>
> Email;
> krat...@roadrunner.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2023, at 1:09 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys!   I know its summer Vacation season for most of you.
>
> But I was wondering if anyone has heard form any of our senor members, We
> have not heard from in quite a while / long time.
> How about Roger (English Roger) comes to mind...
> or Michael Kratky? Brigitte? Joe B.?...  I could name more old friends of
> ours. But I think you all know who you are.
> It would be nice for everyone to chime in and say hello. (just to let us
> know you all are OK?)
> Mac or Russ, are you guys still lurking around?
> (HOW about BOB? or David, Charlie?...)(AND the list goes on!) ;-)
>
> Have a good night everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: pineapple pattern

[Tracy Smith]

Nice!


On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 7:47 PM  wrote:

> I thought it was too I’m going to try it the next time I do this pattern
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Rick Hutley
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 11:31 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: pineapple pattern
>
>
>
> That’s very impressive!
>
>
>
> On Apr 21, 2022, at 21:22, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> I found this pic of a Dimond or pineapple pattern done on a legacy now
> just by adding a 3/16 flat in the bottom of the spirals really makes the
> pattern pop what do you all think? Some one should try this.
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: Have a Blessed Easter

[Tracy Smith]

Happy Easter. Thank you.

Tracy

On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 9:33 PM timjz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey LOM owners and all I wish you all a very Blessed Easter!
>
> KInd regards,
>
> Tim J Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Re: bid on a Legacy 1200.... $499.00 starting price.

[Tracy Smith]

I didn't realize this was in Utah. That machine is only a short distance
from me.

I don't see any of the gears in those pictures or a box of parts. I sure
hope there is more to what is in the pictures for whoever gets it.

Tracy

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 9:23 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yeah no throwing away LOM parts. stash and cash em lol.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 7:07 AM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
>> Definitely don’t throw the rest away, send them my way 路‍♂️ Lol
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 3, 2022, at 7:55 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Or have them sell the rest for you to cover your costs lol
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 10:11 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> If I found a cheap enough mill will ball bearing head and tail I would
>>> buy it and ask the owner to remove them and ship them to me and just throw
>>> the rest away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 April 2022 9:03 AM
>>> *To:* LOM Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: bid on a Legacy 1200 $499.00 starting price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yup if you want them bad enough you buy and figure where to put it
>>> later.
>>>
>>> you should see my stash lol. Rails for 2 complete Legacys and more parts
>>> in bins and boxes lol.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 5:38 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hell I buy a big cover and keep the mill beside the shop lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 April 2022 8:05 AM
>>> *To:* LOM Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: bid on a Legacy 1200 $499.00 starting price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lol funny, I was thinking about your living room couch. They are
>>> overrated and take up exactly what a Legacy does.
>>>
>>> Disguise it and she won't even notice it.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 3:43 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim I have a ONE Man work shop that two people cant be in there at the
>>> same time. No couch. Just me my machines and wood. NO Couch! ( a couch is
>>> something that Only a Pro. wood worker can afford, Like your self.)  ;-p
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022, 04:27:27 PM EDT, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I want the head and tail stock off it lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, 3 April 2022 12:59 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
>>> *Subject:* bid on a Legacy 1200 $499.00 starting price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Utah.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/394005978493?hash=item5bbc961d7d:g:J9UAAOSwI-9iQHkg
>>>
>>> Legacy Wood Ornamental 1200 Lathe / Milling Machine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Condition:
>>>
>>> *UsedUsed*
>>>
>>> Time left:
>>>
>>> Time left:4d 00h
>>>
>>> Time Left 4d 00h
>>>
>>>  |  Wednesday, 10:55AM
>>>
>>> Starting bid:
>>>
>>> *US $499.00*
>>>
>>> []Bid Amount
>>>
>>> Enter US $499.00 or more
>>>
>>> [ 0 bids
>>> 
>>>  ]
>>>
>>> *Place bid*
>>> 
>>>
>>> Best Offer:
>>>
>>> *Make Offer*
>>> 
>>>
>>>  Add to Watchlist
>>> 
>>>
>>> Additional coverage available
>>>
>>> 13 watchers
>>>
>>> Pickup:
>>>
>>> Free local pickup from Spanish Fork, Utah, United States. See details
>>> 
>>>
>>> Returns:
>>>
>>> Seller does not accept returns |
>>>

Re: the evolution mill

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks for posting the video. Very cool machine indeed.

Tracy

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 7:33 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> Yes that was an impressive machine. Sadly Legacy no longer sells it.  I
> had a few problems with this mill when it came out.  Today I too Wish that
> I had a chance to buy it.   My problems with this mill were only, If I am
> going to up-grade my machine, I wanted longer then the EVO's 40" . (it was
> to small for me to work on my at the time I was making Mook Jongs /wood man
> martial are dummys. which I need min. 60".)
>
> We had a person who lived in Alaska who owned an EVO. but sadly we only
> heard form him a few times and then he stopped posting.  I  have no idea on
> how many of these machines Legacy made/sold, but I feel there were not many
> made, shortly after Legacy stopped making the manual machines all together.
>
> Talk to you all more latter.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022, 07:50:50 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> Thanks for that. Yes Roger and I talk back and forth a fair amount so he's
> doing good.
> I could not quit thinking about that design last night wow.
> Pretty impressive. Not a revo though. Much more serious machine.
> I'll tend to agree it would be motor freight I'm sure to deliver which I'm
> certain is their way of
> shipping CNC too.
> More later, meeting this morning
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 6:23 AM  wrote:
>
> Yes I was offered it not long after it was released the main problem would
> have been shipping as always it was not shipped flat pack like the revo was
> so it would have been way more expensive shipping that and no extras. one
> member of our group owned one but I can’t remember who it was and I cant
> remember the price of it either. uro roger would know it was him who
> offered it to me and also who I got my revo from I haven’t heard from roger
> in quite a while now not sure if he is still out there or not.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2022 9:43 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: the evolution mill
>
>
>
> So that was available for a brief time then?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:07 PM  wrote:
>
> Yea it did show a nice mill I almost wish I had of bought one now lol
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 March 2022 2:00 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: the evolution mill
>
>
>
> Wow I'll take one.
>
> Makes me want to modify my WoodChuck. I love that open design of the head
> and tail stock.
>
> U now the wheels are turning again.  Thanks Bill, now I'll dream about
> them again. lol
>
> Thanks so much for sharing that clip though very rewarding.
>
> It really does make you think.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 9:50 PM  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3gcquwcz16ssqxr/Legacy%27s%20Evolution%20Ornamental%20Mill.mp4?dl=0
>
>
>
> here is the old premotion video of the evo mill it sure did show promise
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: Bowl Turning

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Ron,

Please email me at trlsmit...@gmail.com.

Thanks,
Tracy

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 8:50 AM 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:

>Hi Tim
> Do you or someone else have Tracy Smith email address.
> Regards
> Ron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler 
> To: LOM Group 
> Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2022 11:44 am
> Subject: Re: Bowl Turning
>
> sorry
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 8:52 AM Ron Taylor 
> wrote:
>
> Hey buddy,
> I am the wrong Ron lol. Stay safe.
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:07 PM Tim Ziegler 
> wrote:
>
> Hey Ron,
>
> The one I know for sure that has the CNC is Tracy Smith in Utah.
> I am quite certain he'd benefit.
> I to of course if I ever decide to purchase a CNC would enjoy copies of
> them as well.
> I also want to thank you for all you are adding to the forum.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:26 PM 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental
> Mills  wrote:
>
> Hi Curt
>  A few years ago when you and others developed adaptors to the LOM for
> wave generation. I looked into wave generation for straight and tapered
> circular and multisided   columns. I developed equations for sine wave,
> circular and ellipse, square, and triangle waves. I also did it for spiral
> waves along the column. I also wrote programs written in VB script. These
> programs when compiled will generate G code for CNC LOMs. I don' t own a
> CNC LOM. I am pushing 87 and I don't plan on getting one. I am spending
> less time in the shop. My question is do you know someone who has a CNC LOM
> that might be interested in getting the report and programs. I wrote three
> reports titled Wave Wizard  for The Legacy Ornamental Mill, Multi Wave
> Wizard  and Curvilinear Wave Wizard for The Ornamental Mill. The first
> Wizard contained a separate program for each wave type. The Multi Wave
> Wizard contains only one program that addresses all wave types. The
> Curvilinear address waves around in a circle like a platter and makes use
> of the rotary table. Let me know. I can send you the reports or send them
> to the person.
> Thanks
> Ron( the math guy)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> To: 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2022 8:59 am
> Subject: Re: Bowl Turning
> Wave Wizard fo
>
> r the
> Ron
> That bowl is breathtaking, Very nice job on that !
>
> They say the "Devilardzd gluing up all those parts, must have been a huge
> chore
> to do.
> Thank you for sharing with us your project with us.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022, 07:29:21 AM EDT, 'Ronald Kirchoff' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Tim
> Attached is a segmented bowl I made a few years ago on my shop smith. It
> is 14" in diameter and 9" deep. The woods are red heart, maple, purple
> heart and ebony.
> Ron(the math guy)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler 
> To: LOM Group 
> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2022 10:22 pm
> Subject: Bowl Turning
>
> Good evening group,
> Not an LOM project but it still goes around and gets shaped so
> it fits the subject.
> This is technically my very first bowl.
> Its hard maple with a Dr. Kirk's GOAT Wax
> buffed with a soft cloth. Awesome finish
> I guess for the first one its a keeper. More to come.
> started out as a 2 inch thick blank and about 6 inchs square.
> Learned some interesting mistakes on the way too. but in the
> end I'm satisfied.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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Re: Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help

[Tracy Smith]

Tim,

Count me in too.

Tracy

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:50 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Thanks Curt
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:22 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> That's Nice Tim.
>>
>> Let us know what you want to do and  how to do it.
>> I too would like to help Arkady if I can.
>>
>> Please tell him that he will be in my Prayers. Hopefully this mess
>> will all be over soon?
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022, 07:11:16 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Rick, I know it will be appreciated.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 4:52 PM Rick Hutley  wrote:
>>
>> Me too
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2022, at 17:50, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I would be willing to put in a few dollars to help out a member in need
>> if every member of our group is willing to give just a couple of dollars it
>> would add up to a nice amount to help out our member in great need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Friday, 18 March 2022 7:42 AM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Ukraine-Arkady Paka needs our help
>>
>>
>>
>> Good afternoon LOM group,
>>
>> As many of you know Ukraine is undergoing a mess right now and one of our
>>
>> group members is from the Ukraine and many of you know him better then I
>> do.
>>
>> I have been talking to him consistently this past few days in concern for
>> his safety and well being.
>>
>> First he had to leave his home and stayed in a basement at a friend or
>> relatives home, now they are refugee's working on trying to get to West
>> Germany.
>>
>> Many of the closer area's are already saturated with refugees so he's
>> attempting to get to West Germany possibly.
>>
>> Currently they have a very old car and no money. I offered to reach out
>> to the group and see if there is anything anyone can do monetarily to help
>> Arkady?
>>
>> Also does anyone know anyone that could offer them a place to stay?
>>
>> I reached out to some relatives but so far to no avail.
>>
>> I have discussed this with a couple other's on the Forum and thought it a
>> good idea. At this point still a little uncertain to how we can get him
>> funds but I know
>>
>> as Curt always says: where there's a will there's a way.
>>
>> Also I have reached out to a local Church as well to see what can be done.
>>
>> Please consider helping our Friend out. He may never see his homeland
>> again.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
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Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities

[Tracy Smith]

To summarize, For someone with experience with these CNC machines already
and they have the files that will be lost on the crashed computer, I would
recommend buying it.

For someone that has no experience with CNCs, there is no way I would
recommend getting it with the hopes of figuring it out. I would only
recommend getting it, in this case, for parts or maybe the hope of getting
it working as a manual machine.

Tracy


On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:22 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Sorry to give the impression that I would buy it out from underneath
> someone else. That is not what I meant at all.
>
> If it was closer to me, and since I have a running Performance CNC now, it
> would easily be worth the cost. For me it would be backup parts for the one
> I have. Without the files that are on the crashed computer, I would not
> expect to get it running as it is now even with my experience.
>
> I'd of course be very willing to help someone, if they do get it, but it
> is not that simple and there is only so much I can do remotely.
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:14 PM  wrote:
>
>> My advice to the guy was buy it and try it and if it doesn’t suit his
>> needs resell it again he would have no trouble getting his money back I for
>> one would never consider even looking at it unless the guy decided not to
>> buy it that would not be ethical.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 17 February 2022 6:32 AM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned this guy is already trying to buy it and has asked for
>> advice from the group, not lose it to someone purchasing from the group.
>>
>> so can someone give him some sound advice and work with him?
>>
>> Tracy, do you think you could work with in over a period of time to help
>> him get it up and running?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:38 PM Tim Krause 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's in a city that would be a couple of hours to get too. The wife
>> would not be happy with me!
>>
>> Joking aside, that is a really good deal.
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>
>> Great deal for the price. With the harddrive failure, it would be tough
>> to get it working because those files are pretty critical. I have mine
>> working with the latest Mach3, but that is for the performance upgrade not
>> the Standard. The config files would be critical to make this viable.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I lived closer, I would snatch it up in a second and it would be a fun
>> project. If push comes to shove, I know this group would find the parts
>> valuable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:04 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> great advice Jeff and yes lots of weight in what he wants it for.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:02 PM Jeff Richmond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wish but that will be pretty hard to hide in the corner of the garage,
>> next to the other two legacy’s, lol.
>>
>>
>>
>> All kidding aside, the CNC Performance upgrade from Legacy was well over
>> that cost originally and would be a good investment if this is still
>> operational and was a somewhat local pickup.
>>
>>
>>
>> This model had extra length capacity but was still a fairly light duty
>> model (300-400 Lbs machine weight) when compared to a 2000 or 2200 model
>>  (1200 Lbs machine weight).
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure what wax weighs for glass work but as someone stated the
>> headstock and tailstock receives the brunt of the force so bearings are
>> recommended to minimize wear.
>>
>>
>>
>> My two cents…
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>

Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities

[Tracy Smith]

Sorry to give the impression that I would buy it out from underneath
someone else. That is not what I meant at all.

If it was closer to me, and since I have a running Performance CNC now, it
would easily be worth the cost. For me it would be backup parts for the one
I have. Without the files that are on the crashed computer, I would not
expect to get it running as it is now even with my experience.

I'd of course be very willing to help someone, if they do get it, but it is
not that simple and there is only so much I can do remotely.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 1:14 PM  wrote:

> My advice to the guy was buy it and try it and if it doesn’t suit his
> needs resell it again he would have no trouble getting his money back I for
> one would never consider even looking at it unless the guy decided not to
> buy it that would not be ethical.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, 17 February 2022 6:32 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities
>
>
>
> As mentioned this guy is already trying to buy it and has asked for advice
> from the group, not lose it to someone purchasing from the group.
>
> so can someone give him some sound advice and work with him?
>
> Tracy, do you think you could work with in over a period of time to help
> him get it up and running?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:38 PM Tim Krause 
> wrote:
>
> That's in a city that would be a couple of hours to get too. The wife
> would not be happy with me!
>
> Joking aside, that is a really good deal.
>
> On Feb 16, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Great deal for the price. With the harddrive failure, it would be tough to
> get it working because those files are pretty critical. I have mine working
> with the latest Mach3, but that is for the performance upgrade not the
> Standard. The config files would be critical to make this viable.
>
>
>
> If I lived closer, I would snatch it up in a second and it would be a fun
> project. If push comes to shove, I know this group would find the parts
> valuable.
>
>
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:04 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> great advice Jeff and yes lots of weight in what he wants it for.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:02 PM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
> I wish but that will be pretty hard to hide in the corner of the garage,
> next to the other two legacy’s, lol.
>
>
>
> All kidding aside, the CNC Performance upgrade from Legacy was well over
> that cost originally and would be a good investment if this is still
> operational and was a somewhat local pickup.
>
>
>
> This model had extra length capacity but was still a fairly light duty
> model (300-400 Lbs machine weight) when compared to a 2000 or 2200 model
>  (1200 Lbs machine weight).
>
>
>
> Not sure what wax weighs for glass work but as someone stated the
> headstock and tailstock receives the brunt of the force so bearings are
> recommended to minimize wear.
>
>
>
> My two cents…
>
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:36 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yes it is super clean too. Be right up your alley Jeff.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:34 PM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
> Wow, great price for a machine of that capability even if it was only
> manual.
>
>
>
> Jeff from Connecticut
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Pancakes  wrote:
>
> Thank you all for your advice.
>
> Here's the machine:
> https://bend.craigslist.org/tls/d/diamond-legacy-ornamental-mill-1800-cnc/7441234512.html
>
> The owner doesn't seem to know much about it. They mentioned they picked
> it up off the original owner and never used it for it's intended purpose.
> Looks to be fairly complete though clearly a bit neglected.
>
> However, as 

Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities

[Tracy Smith]

Great deal for the price. With the harddrive failure, it would be tough to
get it working because those files are pretty critical. I have mine working
with the latest Mach3, but that is for the performance upgrade not the
Standard. The config files would be critical to make this viable.

If I lived closer, I would snatch it up in a second and it would be a fun
project. If push comes to shove, I know this group would find the parts
valuable.

Tracy

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:04 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> great advice Jeff and yes lots of weight in what he wants it for.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:02 PM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
>> I wish but that will be pretty hard to hide in the corner of the garage,
>> next to the other two legacy’s, lol.
>>
>> All kidding aside, the CNC Performance upgrade from Legacy was well over
>> that cost originally and would be a good investment if this is still
>> operational and was a somewhat local pickup.
>>
>> This model had extra length capacity but was still a fairly light duty
>> model (300-400 Lbs machine weight) when compared to a 2000 or 2200 model
>>  (1200 Lbs machine weight).
>>
>> Not sure what wax weighs for glass work but as someone stated the
>> headstock and tailstock receives the brunt of the force so bearings are
>> recommended to minimize wear.
>>
>> My two cents…
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:36 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Yes it is super clean too. Be right up your alley Jeff.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:34 PM Jeff Richmond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, great price for a machine of that capability even if it was only
>>> manual.
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Pancakes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your advice.
>>>
>>> Here's the machine:
>>> https://bend.craigslist.org/tls/d/diamond-legacy-ornamental-mill-1800-cnc/7441234512.html
>>>
>>> The owner doesn't seem to know much about it. They mentioned they picked
>>> it up off the original owner and never used it for it's intended purpose.
>>> Looks to be fairly complete though clearly a bit neglected.
>>>
>>> However, as you can see the price is very tempting. I'm cross shopping
>>> this with buying an Avid CNC with rotary axis (only other cnc rotary that
>>> i've found that can handle the dimensions I'm looking to mill). The Avid
>>> solution works out to well over $12k - the potential to use the LOM and
>>> save thousands is appealing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:49:35 AM UTC-8 timjz...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> excellent advice Tracy.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have the LOM 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade. I've loved it!
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I'm a computer guy and there is no way I would recommend
>>>>> buying one of these without seeing it work and making sure all the basics
>>>>> are operational. There is very little support for these machines and 
>>>>> unless
>>>>> you have access to someone or have skills to address it yourself, It's a
>>>>> major risk in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 11:18 PM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the lom works ok with larger dia work just fine but obviously
>>>>>> just takes longer due to surface area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cant comment on the cnc side of things as I have not had anything
>>>>>> to do with 

Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities

[Tracy Smith]

I have the LOM 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade. I've loved it!

However, I'm a computer guy and there is no way I would recommend buying
one of these without seeing it work and making sure all the basics are
operational. There is very little support for these machines and unless you
have access to someone or have skills to address it yourself, It's a major
risk in my opinion.

Regards,
Tracy

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 11:18 PM  wrote:

> I think the lom works ok with larger dia work just fine but obviously just
> takes longer due to surface area.
>
> I cant comment on the cnc side of things as I have not had anything to do
> with it but I’m sure
>
> Some of the other members will chime in with opinions on this.
>
> The only pitfalls with loms is making sure you get all the gears and
> extras but if you’re going cnc then they are not necessary. With larger
> work I would try and make sure your mill has ball bearing head and tail
> stock because the constant weight of your larger work will wear out the
> Delrin bushes quicker.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Pancakes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 15 February 2022 11:32 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* LOM 1800 Capabilities
>
>
>
> So.. I have the opportunity to pick up a LOM 1800 w/ the standard CNC kit
> for a great price. I am not a current LOM owner but believe it may work for
> my needs. I am a sculptor working primarily in cast glass. I need a rotary
> axis CNC to automate some production of waxes I use in casting.
>
> I need to mill diameters of work pieces up to the maximum listed  11"
> diameter of the 1800 LOM. Is this spec'd diameter realistic? I have
> concerns that the machine will have trouble at this scale due to overall
> rigidity and using relatively small nema 23 motors. Most of the work I see
> done on an LOM is smaller diameter furniture and finish carpentry work.
>
> Also, I am considering retrofitting the 1800 CNC with a new controller and
> set of motors as part of a plug-and-play kit made by Avid CNC. This would
> allow me to use Mach 4 and the improved rotary post processors that Avid
> supplies for rotary CNC milling. Does this seem like a reasonable goal?
>
> Lastly, does buying a machine sight unseen raise your alarms? What are the
> failure points I should be aware of and if there are failure points are
> they easily remedied without being a career machinist?
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
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Re: LEGACY for sale

[Tracy Smith]

Wow, that is a great deal!

Tracy

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 5:57 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Right on my Friend.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:48 AM Jeff Richmond 
> wrote:
>
>> Me too, before I get in “more” trouble with the misses, lol.
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 7:29 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I know right.
>> Tough to make travel plans in the middle of winter lol.
>> I better start creating with the ones I got lol.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 5:58 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Come on Tim you need another legacy lol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 14 February 2022 10:51 PM
>>> *To:* LOM Group 
>>> *Subject:* LEGACY for sale
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone close to this guy and wants a complete nice unit?
>>>
>>> No drive motor and controls but looks to have been hardly used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/193409626237775/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner=messenger_banner
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Computer controlled motor drive

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Rick,

I'm here just been very quiet lately. Work is very busy.

I've had several LOMs over the last few years. I currently have a LOM 1200
with the Performance CNC upgrade. Happy to help where I can.

Tracy

On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 7:01 AM Rick Hutley  wrote:

> Indeed - I’m so glad I found the group.
>
> Yes, please do send me Tracy’s email.
>
> Thanks
> Rick
>
> On Nov 8, 2021, at 06:58, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
> Were all in this together that's what makes the group so special Rick.
>
> Did you want me to send you Tracy's email??
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 4:20 AM Rick Hutley  wrote:
>
>> Many thanks for the advice 
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2021, at 21:50, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Yup pretty much the same thing as what Curt suggested. Thats what makes
>> your unit special.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 9:51 AM clif...@msn.com  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, those linear rails appear to be the rails on my LOM.
>>>
>>> Jed
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 6:22:08 AM UTC-8 rghu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Curt - I will investigate.

 Rick

 On Nov 7, 2021, at 8:29 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
 legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Hello Rick
 I wish you luck on this venture.
 Please note that Legacy needed to completely re-design there machine in
 order to make it a practical CNC unit.

 What I recommend for you to do if you want to attempt this CNC
 up-grade, is to add linear rail to your machine, For what you need the cost
 is, well worth the price.
 https://www.amazon.com/OrangeA-16-2000mm-4SBR16UU-Bearing-Bearings/dp/B07DCV98HL/ref=sr_1_17?crid=1KLMN39CWZ936=16mm+linear+rail=1636290947=16mm+linear+rail%2Caps%2C103=8-17
 16MM rail is exactly the same size and Legacy's rail. It is what I used for
 mine, 20mm would also work well. (NOTE: Legacy started using there rail
 turned so that the large slot was facing up, On my 1000ex the small slot
 was up, Please measure your rail, If your extruded alum. rail is large slot
 up, then the 20mm would fit better.)
 Here is a photo of the 16mm sitting on top of My/Legacy rail.

 Wish you luck on your project.
 Please let us know how it works out for you.

 C.A.G.
 On Sunday, November 7, 2021, 07:57:47 AM EST, Rick Hutley <
 rghu...@gmail.com> wrote:


 Folks,

 I am thinking of developing a computer program to control my LOM. Does
 anyone have an specs/recommendations on a motor that would be suitable (I
 have a 900 unit).

 If I can get it working I would be happy to share the program with
 anyone who wants it.

 Rick


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Re: Considering 1200 - what is fair price?

[Tracy Smith]

I also usually bring short bar clamps to make sure I can secure the LOM to
the stands. I have a couple of heavy roller stands that work great but if I
don't secure them, it will just roll off :).

Tracy

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:35 PM Sandee Witherow 
wrote:

> Wow, great advice!  I wouldn't have thought about  using stands to raise
> it first before removing the legs or bringing a rubber mallet.  Great
> ideas!  I'm making a list so I don't forget anything!
>
> Sandee
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Re: Considering 1200 - what is fair price?

[Tracy Smith]

I second and third the advice about removing the legs. It does make it much
easier. I've brought a couple adjustable roller stands or adjustable
sawhorses when I've picked up a LOM. I pick the LOM up on top of them and
secure it down. Take the legs off carefully and secure everything down
before travel. You just need to make sure you have the tools. Technically
all you should need is a rubber mallet and the correct hex wrench.

Tracy

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 7:45 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> yes for sure. all four sides too even bring a black permanent marker and
> some blue tape to label things.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM  wrote:
>
>> Ps and take pics of every thing befor you remove so you know how to put
>> them back
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 22 June 2021 9:41 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Considering 1200 - what is fair price?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yup exactly. Great add on Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 6:14 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Very good advice Tim basically that’s how I would do it, legs off and in
>> the cab with you along with any small loose parts and any else that will
>> fit. if your worried about moving parts rattling off and getting lost I
>> would wrap the whole mill with cling wrap its cheap and will also give some
>> protection against bumps and scrapes and sit it on and place over it some
>> old blankets  when you strap it down don’t pull it too tight and bend those
>> wonderful rails,tied in the back of the truck with the  tailgate down.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 22 June 2021 8:12 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Considering 1200 - what is fair price?
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh and one more thing Sandee, take all the linkage ands off and bring
>> inside too. Nothing gets lost that way. All loose or movable parts inside
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 4:32 PM Sandee Witherow 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bill (and all),
>>
>>
>>
>> Having a bit of a time trying to figure out how to answer the forum posts
>> and viewing them on my pc is a bit different than email.  Bear with me,
>> I'll get the hang of it. :)  I'll post pictures as soon as I get where I
>> can.  I didn't mean to drop out of sight, I found and downloaded a legacy
>> manual and have been reading.  The more I read the more projects I realize
>> I'll have the capability to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> So now that I've found the mill, what is the best way to transport?  The
>> 1200 is 90" long and the my pickup with the tailgate down is 103".  I have
>> access to a trailer but it's 19' in length and it looks like that maybe be
>> a problem getting access at the sellers location due to the steep terrain.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sandee
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Where do I go from here? LOM 1200 w/Performance CNC

[Tracy Smith]

Sorry, let me be more clear.

When the power to the control box is on, you should not be able to move the
axis for X, Y, A. You should also not be able to move the axis for Z. You
can test if the zaxis is locked by trying to turn the screw. When the power
is off, you can move all four axis by hand although the Zaxis is harder to
move.

Tracy

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Robert Weaver 
wrote:

> I can move in x-y. Z is a screw so I can’t move the router up and down. I
> can also turn the a-axis.
>
> I am using Mach3 2.0.  I get no errors when loading Mach3.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Weaver
> RThomasGallery.com
> t...@rthomasgallery.com
>
> On Jun 2, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> 
> Robert,
>
> That is actually a good sign. You should verify that the same is happening
> for all axis: X, Y, Z, and A. The stepper motor for each axis should be
> locked when the power is turned on.  That would suggest the control box is
> working and powering the stepper motors correctly. It also puts the focus
> on the communication between the computer and the control box.
>
> I am assuming you are using Mach3? Do you get any errors when launching
> Mach3? You have to first power on the control box, make sure the computer
> is connected to the control box and then start Mach3. If Mach3 cannot talk
> to the control box, you should get an error when starting Mach3.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 12:17 PM Robert Weaver 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey! Thanks Tracy. I can move the router along the X axis with the power
>> off, but cannot with the power on.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tom Weaver
>> t...@rthomasgallery.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> The first thing you should check is to make sure the stepper motors lock
>> into place when you turn the control box on. That will at least confirm
>> that the power from the box is getting to the motors. Without power,
>> you should be able to move the machines x and y axis but when the power is
>> turned on, all the motors will lock into place.
>>
>> Does that make sense? Can you confirm that this is happening?
>>
>> I believe I have the same machine as you and have been very pleased with
>> it. Happy to jump on call or video chat if it will help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2021, at 9:08 PM, Robert Weaver 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I got to see this CNC operate at my buddy’s shop. It was pretty cool
>> and would meet the needs that I have. The computer was an old pc (monitor
>> and pc in one).   It is running Mach3 v.2. The PC died the very day I got
>> it and n my shop (motherboard problem)
>>
>> I put together a Legacy Dell computer with a parallel port. I was able to
>> recover the contents of the original hard drive.  I have not yet been able
>> to get the cnc to respond.
>>
>> I am running the same configuration that was run the last time the cnc
>> ran.  I also the same G-code files we ran at my buddy’s shop.  I have
>> checked and rechecked all connections. I have checked to see if I was
>> getting voltage on pins 2-9 and I did. I also did this a second time with
>> the cable hooked up to the computer, and it checked out good.   I ran the
>> Check Config from the Operator Menu and it reports back no errors. I
>> thought maybe the kill switch was faulty so I checked continuity with the
>> switch opened and closed. That checked out okay.
>>
>> I checked voltage at the receptacle on the back of the kill switch and it
>> was good, so I know power is coming through the cnc tower.
>>
>> The software shows movement along all the axis’s, but I get no hint that
>> it is communicating with the controller.
>>
>> Does anyone have an idea what I should check next? I feel like there must
>> be something that is obvious that I am not seeing.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Weaver
>> RThomasGallery.com
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Re: Where do I go from here? LOM 1200 w/Performance CNC

[Tracy Smith]

Robert,

That is actually a good sign. You should verify that the same is happening
for all axis: X, Y, Z, and A. The stepper motor for each axis should be
locked when the power is turned on.  That would suggest the control box is
working and powering the stepper motors correctly. It also puts the focus
on the communication between the computer and the control box.

I am assuming you are using Mach3? Do you get any errors when launching
Mach3? You have to first power on the control box, make sure the computer
is connected to the control box and then start Mach3. If Mach3 cannot talk
to the control box, you should get an error when starting Mach3.

Tracy

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 12:17 PM Robert Weaver 
wrote:

> Hey! Thanks Tracy. I can move the router along the X axis with the power
> off, but cannot with the power on.
>
> Thanks
> Tom Weaver
> t...@rthomasgallery.com
>
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> The first thing you should check is to make sure the stepper motors lock
> into place when you turn the control box on. That will at least confirm
> that the power from the box is getting to the motors. Without power,
> you should be able to move the machines x and y axis but when the power is
> turned on, all the motors will lock into place.
>
> Does that make sense? Can you confirm that this is happening?
>
> I believe I have the same machine as you and have been very pleased with
> it. Happy to jump on call or video chat if it will help.
>
> Thanks,
> Tracy
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2021, at 9:08 PM, Robert Weaver  wrote:
>
> I got to see this CNC operate at my buddy’s shop. It was pretty cool and
> would meet the needs that I have. The computer was an old pc (monitor and
> pc in one).   It is running Mach3 v.2. The PC died the very day I got it
> and n my shop (motherboard problem)
>
> I put together a Legacy Dell computer with a parallel port. I was able to
> recover the contents of the original hard drive.  I have not yet been able
> to get the cnc to respond.
>
> I am running the same configuration that was run the last time the cnc
> ran.  I also the same G-code files we ran at my buddy’s shop.  I have
> checked and rechecked all connections. I have checked to see if I was
> getting voltage on pins 2-9 and I did. I also did this a second time with
> the cable hooked up to the computer, and it checked out good.   I ran the
> Check Config from the Operator Menu and it reports back no errors. I
> thought maybe the kill switch was faulty so I checked continuity with the
> switch opened and closed. That checked out okay.
>
> I checked voltage at the receptacle on the back of the kill switch and it
> was good, so I know power is coming through the cnc tower.
>
> The software shows movement along all the axis’s, but I get no hint that
> it is communicating with the controller.
>
> Does anyone have an idea what I should check next? I feel like there must
> be something that is obvious that I am not seeing.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Weaver
> RThomasGallery.com
>
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Re: Where do I go from here? LOM 1200 w/Performance CNC

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Robert,

The first thing you should check is to make sure the stepper motors lock
into place when you turn the control box on. That will at least confirm
that the power from the box is getting to the motors. Without power,
you should be able to move the machines x and y axis but when the power is
turned on, all the motors will lock into place.

Does that make sense? Can you confirm that this is happening?

I believe I have the same machine as you and have been very pleased with
it. Happy to jump on call or video chat if it will help.

Thanks,
Tracy

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 2:06 AM  wrote:

> Me too mac if its mechanical I can usually work it out but electronic
> forget it
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 June 2021 2:01 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Where do I go from here? LOM 1200 w/Performance CNC
>
>
>
> Hey Tom
>
>
>
> I am very sorry to hear your CNC is not working.  I would call Legacy and
> talk to Tracy. I'm sure he would know how to fix your problem.
>
>
>
> Hopefully someone in the group can help you?
>
> I'm sorry to say, this is something that I can not help you with. But I do
> wish you luck, and would very much like to hear on how it all turns out for
> you.
>
>
>
> Have a good night.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 1, 2021, 10:09:01 PM EDT, Robert Weaver <
> rthomaswea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I got to see this CNC operate at my buddy’s shop. It was pretty cool and
> would meet the needs that I have. The computer was an old pc (monitor and
> pc in one).  It is running Mach3 v.2. The PC died the very day I got it and
> n my shop (motherboard problem)
>
>
>
> I put together a Legacy Dell computer with a parallel port. I was able to
> recover the contents of the original hard drive.  I have not yet been able
> to get the cnc to respond.
>
>
>
> I am running the same configuration that was run the last time the cnc
> ran.  I also the same G-code files we ran at my buddy’s shop.  I have
> checked and rechecked all connections. I have checked to see if I was
> getting voltage on pins 2-9 and I did. I also did this a second time with
> the cable hooked up to the computer, and it checked out good.  I ran the
> Check Config from the Operator Menu and it reports back no errors. I
> thought maybe the kill switch was faulty so I checked continuity with the
> switch opened and closed. That checked out okay.
>
>
>
> I checked voltage at the receptacle on the back of the kill switch and it
> was good, so I know power is coming through the cnc tower.
>
>
>
> The software shows movement along all the axis’s, but I get no hint that
> it is communicating with the controller.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have an idea what I should check next? I feel like there must
> be something that is obvious that I am not seeing.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Weaver
>
> RThomasGallery.com
>
> 256-227-7691
>
>
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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[Tracy Smith]

Holy cow. The 4x gear is a beast. The machines I think it would be relevant
for are the 2000 and 2200 since it can handle parts over 10' long. Hard to
imagine it being very useful on the smaller machines.

Tracy

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

> ps There is a lot of gears in the 4x set way more than the original
> standard gear set .here is a short video on using some of them on the big
> 2200 model mill just so any potential  buyers in this group can see what
> they are getting
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tnn0rv58dx2kmxg/useing%20the%204X%20gears.mp4?dl=0
>
> Enjoy and like all these type of links I only leave them up for a short
> time so make sure you watch them quickly
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 May 2021 2:23 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>
>
> Not me I said around $3500 I still think that’s a fair price for what you
> would be getting and that is working on the usual ½ the new price for
> second hand
>
> Goods
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 May 2021 1:35 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>
>
> well, seems to be a lot of people that have an opinion of what this
> machine and accessories is NOT worth. but no one is offering an opinion as
> to what they think it IS worth... and I would bet we all have stories of
> that rare, elusive piece that we found for little to no money(remember the
> guy who found three 1800's from a school?... with a ton of accessories and
> parts!)... but those "stories" do not set the bar... for every one of those
> stories is a story of someone who sold a machine for a large sum...
> breaking it down, let's consider the machine itself... a 1500; with the
> linear drive motor, controls and limit switches; "Z" axis upgrade; Legacy
> aluminum rail base and casters; Heavy duty, Porter Cable, variable speed
> router; not in consideration is the CNC upgrade, the 4X gear set, rotary
> index table, thin stock follower, linear milling table, 20 to 25 magnate
> router bits(most new and in their plastic cases... I could see putting a
> price of $2,000 on this machine, easily... now put ricing on the extras...
> the router bits would retail for more than $1,000, so I will say $500...
> the 4X gear set, I would be willing to bet some out in legacy land would
> pay $500 for that... the rotary index table, $200-$300... thin stock
> follower,$100... linear milling tables,$100... and the CNC package,$500(the
> parts alone, sold separately to those that do have the Legacy CNC upgrade
> and are using it is worth at least that!)... so $3,500 as an ASKING PRICE!
> is not out of line in my opinion... and leaving some negotiating room for
> the cheapskate buyers out there in the world... and remembering that there
> are still boxes to be unpacked and what else there might be... and of
> course I will take a mulligan as to the fact that certain items are not in
> view yet, but as I mentioned, the original owner of this machine and
> equipment was very thorough in having every thing Legacy for his machine...
> so I doubt that there is any of the basics missing... interesting that some
> people are quick to say that something is not worth very much, but they are
> the first person on line to buy it... let the comments and critiques begin
> but at least be ready to back it up!... Joe B.
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:10:05 AM UTC-4 Michael Kratky wrote:
>
> I also agree, I’ll stick to my manual 1200 LOM any CNC version associated
> with them would be totally unsupported from Legacy and I see nothing but
> frustration and problems instead spend the money on 4th axis Digital Wood
> Carver that is 100% more supportive.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:44 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>
>
> Very well stated Tracy,
>
> I have to agree with all you said.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On We

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[Tracy Smith]

I got the message, thanks Bill.

Sorry, I hope my feedback didn't come off negative. That was not my
intention. I'm just a hobbyist so I'm likely looking at it a bit cheaper
than someone who is using it to add business value.

Tracy

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 9:09 PM  wrote:

> I bow to your much better cnc experience witch I have none of, like I said
> it was a starting amount. By the way Tracy I sent you a privet email a few
> hours ago did you get it?
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 12:44 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>
>
>
> From my perspective $3500 would be way too high. The CNC side of this
> machine would be a complete mystery and major risk. It likely works fine
> but there is no support from Legacy and even if the stepper motors work
> well, if you are missing any one part, it could impact the practicality of
> using the machine at all as a CNC. You still need a computer, correct
> software and the configuration files to make it run properly.
>
>
>
> If I was to buy this machine, I would only buy it as a 1500 with the
> stated accessories and would not assume the CNC side of it. If I was able
> to get the CNC working, some of the parts, like the 4xgear would have no
> use as you don't need the gears for pitching, the index plates or
> directional gears. You can't use the templating functionality with the CNC
> so those accessories are not useful either.
>
>
>
> I recently sold a model 2000, with all the bells and whistles and several
> bits for only $2500 and that was for a model 2000 which is a much larger
> machine.
>
>
>
> I bought my 1200 Performance CNC for $2200 3 years ago. Even though I am
> selling it, I have been very happy with it. I have added things to it so it
> is a better machine today than when I bought it. However, I had to figure
> out how to get it working completely on my own. There is no support from
> Legacy and I was digging through forums that were 10 years old to get the
> pieces of information I needed. For me it was actually a lot of fun but I
> would have a hard time imagining someone else going through the same
> process.
>
>
>
> In no way am I trying to disparage someone from buying this awesome
> looking machine. I have just seen so many of these machines and there is
> often something missing. I just love the machines and usually have the
> parts to fill in the gaps. Well I used to have all the parts :).
>
>
>
> I found a brand new 1800 last year in an estate sale. The owner got it
> from her father and had no idea what to do with it or interest in it. She
> was asking $2000 for it. I looked it over. It was missing a few small, but
> key parts, and was not put together properly. I told her about the machine
> and that my interest was only in some of the accessories. In the end, I
> bought it for $500, spent hours putting it together properly, replaced some
> of the missing parts and then sold it for $1000. Not a business for me, but
> I got a good deal, the person who bought it got a good deal and I,
> hopefully, helped someone get a good start with one of these mills.
>
>
>
> Anyway, something to consider.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:24 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental
> Mills  wrote:
>
> to Tom Weaver... Tom, does your CNC have the rack-and-pinion version of
> the CNC upgrade?... or do you have the stepper motors connected to the acme
> 5/8-4 threaded rods?... if it is the rack-and-pinion version, could you
> please post some photos of it... I have never seen the r and p setup on a
> machine... thanks... Joe B.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my
> estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think
> the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to
> be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price
> adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this
> original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had
> to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes
> the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here...
> lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router
> bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is
> everyone's opinions... Joe B.
>
>
>
>
>
>  router bits
>

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[Tracy Smith]

>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are
>>> estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least
>>> 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy
>>> machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two
>>> of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50
>>> each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so
>>> it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big
>>> key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the
>>> deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will
>>> be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is
>>> seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once
>>> he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him
>>> directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package
>>> deal what do you all think or am I way off
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or
>>> Performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently
>>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know
>>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to
>>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>>
>>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never
>>> installed... with the software CDs!
>>>
>>> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the
>>> installation sheet
>>>
>>> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>>>
>>> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>>>
>>> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
>>>
>>> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
>>>
>>> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
>>>
>>> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
>>>
>>> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into
>>> the inventory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!...
>>> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos
>>> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some
>>> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record,
>>> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone
>>> can email me at ... or call my cell anytime
>>> 516-606-6627 <(516)%20606-6627>... once a fair price has been offered I
>>> will give the contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just
>>> trying to help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where
>>> this goes... regards... Joe Biunno
>>>
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Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[Tracy Smith]

Joe,

I'll send you a private message. Over the last three years, I have bought
and sold at least 8 LOMs. I live pretty close to the "Mother Ship" so I
have been pretty lucky with access to machines during that time. My
interest in selling has not been to make top dollar but rather to find and
educate a great new owner. I've found that what I have sold them for has
been very fair and means I don't have them hanging around for a long time.
However, what I have sold them for, from what I have seen, is typically a
bit less than what I've seen shared in this group.

Tracy

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 8:46 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:

> okay, let's clarify a few things... I am not in any way in control of this
> sale... I am simply lending some guidance to a person who has no desire to
> keep this recently acquired Legacy machine and has little to no
> understanding of what the machine is or what it is capable of doing... I
> could compare this situation to the person who luckily came across those
> three Legacy 1800's with a lot of parts and accessories... they just want
> to sell it all at a fair price... he is not a personal friend, but then
> again I make friends easily, so lets just say he is an acquaintance, for
> now... this person reached out to me from my Legacy Facebook page and sent
> me a message requesting some advice... this equipment is not being parted
> out... it is a package deal... there is only one drive motor, with controls
> and limit switches... the other motors are from the CNC upgrade package and
> they are stepper motors, very different from the lead screw drive motor
> that a lot of us have and is still available from Grainger(one possible
> source)... as far as a price for everything, that is the difficult part...
> was hoping that someone here, who was not interested in the deal, would
> lend an honest opinion as to what they think it all might be worth...
> perhaps Tim K. could offer an opinion, whether it be here or in private to
> me, so I could forward it to the current owner... good luck to all!... Joe
> B.
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:18:22 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> "HOLEY COW"!
>> What kind of prices are you/he looking to get?
>>
>> Before Bill ask, (I think everyone know.) Bill have been looking for a
>> motor and limit switches. If you are parting this out I know he will be
>> wanting those. (6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and
>> limit switches)
>>
>>
>> Why would anyone want a CNC up-grade and the X4 gear sets???  (That's
>> Crazy!)
>>
>> Please let US (the group) Know how you/he will want to sell this. Via.
>> parting each line listed or as a package.
>>
>> It is a Very nice Machine, To bad YOUR friend dose not want to learn how
>> to use what he has. His machine is a once in a life time find.
>>
>> Before things get hot and heavy on people asking for things, I will offer
>> $1.00 for the set. (Or old school, One Buck! perhaps a buck and a half, but
>> I keep the antlers.)  ;-p
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 09:16:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via
>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>
>>
>> [image: legacy for sale bob 1.jpg][image: legacy for sale bob 2.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without
>> putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california,
>> near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique
>> machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures being
>> posted in a few minutes... Joe B.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS
>> 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting pictures
>> that always will help with selling
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* the Holy Grail of Legacy machines
>>
>>
>>
>> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently
>> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know
>> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to
>> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
>>
>> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never
>> installed... with the software CDs!
>>
>> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the
>> installation sheet
>>
>> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
>>
>> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
>>
>> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base 

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[Tracy Smith]

Joe,

Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or
Performance.

Tracy

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:

> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently
> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know
> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to
> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"
> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never
> installed... with the software CDs!
> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the
> installation sheet
> 3) "Z" axis upgrade
> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock
> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters
> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches
> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it
> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine
> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the
> inventory
>
> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!...
> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos
> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some
> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record,
> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone
> can email me at ... or call my cell anytime
> 516-606-6627... once a fair price has been offered I will give the contact
> info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to help
> someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes...
> regards... Joe Biunno
>
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Re: Legacy 1200w/ CNC help

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Tom,

You have the correct address :).

I'm just a hobbyist so I work during the day. I don't mind if we have a
phone call or a video call via Zoom. That may be a lot faster and effective
than email. When I got my CNC upgraded LOM, it did take me some time to
figure it all out and get it working properly. Early, I also made sure to
set up a back computer for the same reason you stated.

I'm located in Utah so I am a couple hours behind you.

Regards,
Tracy

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 9:12 AM Robert Weaver 
wrote:

> I am new to this. Have not figured out how to get someone’s email address
> fro the forum post. Tracy, you offered your help with the 1200 cnc upgrade.
> I really appreciate your willingness to help. My email is below. Please
> email me directly and I can reply to you in return.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Weaver
> t...@rthomasgallery.com
>
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Re: New Member with a big problem

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Tom,

I'm Tracy but not the Tracy from Legacy :).  I have a model 1200 with the
Performance CNC upgrade. I've loved using it.

I'd be glad to help you. Please feel free to email me directly and we can
find a time to connect.

Regards,
Tracy

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 5:59 AM Robert Weaver 
wrote:

> Hello All,
> My name is Tom. I am a professional cabinet maker. I hate to start off
> with such a request.
>
> I recently purchased a Legacy 1200 with the CNC upgrade from my local door
> shop owner. I watched it work in his shop. I made a comment to him that the
> computer is quite old and could go at any time. It was an all in one
> computer and monitor built together running Windows XP, along the Mach3 ver
> 2.11, and using a parallel port to communicate with the cnc. As Murphy’s
> Law would have it, as soon as I got it  to my shop and hooked up, I fired
> up the computer and wouldn’t you know it!  The computer died.
>
> I took it to my local computer shop and he confirmed the diagnosis. He was
> able to put together a legacy Dell computer with the needed parallel port,
> and was able to recover the software.  However, the parallel pin mapping
> configuration was lost. My door shop friend who sold me the machine could
> not find any documentation about configuring the software to the Legacy.
>
> I am hoping someone here has the same setup and can share the
> configuration settings or maybe have a PDF file they can share.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Weaver
> RThomasGallery.com
>
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Re: 8 start chatter cut

[Tracy Smith]

Agree, very cool looking.

Tracy

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 8:08 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Thanks Curt again very cool. You are definitely going places here.
> Like I said I believe you may be the only one doing this so it's HUGE!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 8:46 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry guys, I don't mean to be tease, this is an experiment that I've
>> been playing with.
>>
>> I think it turned out pretty good. Just wanted to know what you people
>> thought of it?
>>
>> What I will tell everyone is, Its an 8 start, cut form the side, using a
>> 1/2" end mill for the cutter. and its on a 3" pitch.  The rest will be
>> shown latter, if it all works out?
>>
>> More to come.
>> C.A.G.
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Re: More parts

[Tracy Smith]

Someone has claimed the head stock but I am waiting to hear if they are ok
with the shipping cost. I'll send a picture here shortly. I should know by
Monday if he wants it.

Tracy

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:00 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tracy,
> I haven't had a chance to look at all the emails & photos yet.
> If you have the headstock, I will probably be interested.  Is there a
> photo of it?
> If there is - in which email?
> Thanks.
> Mac
> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com
> Sent: May 8, 2021 7:32 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: More parts
>
> Again! Tracy,
>
>
>
> I would like to get the locking collars.
>
>
>
> Bill Henry
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:56 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: More parts
>
>
>
> Here is everything else.
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:55:22 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Here are parts for raising and lowering the bed.
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:53:51 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Here are some parts that were used for the structure of the machine.
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:51:59 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Here are some parts for template work.
>
> On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> Last night I took apart the 1500. Nearly all those parts are available to
> you if you need it to fix some bent or broken part on your current mill or
> even to strengthen part of your mill. It is a lot faster taking one of
> these apart than putting one together :).
>
>
>
> I'll post a bunch of pictures. Most of this stuff can fit in a Priority
> Mail box so that makes it very easy, inexpensive and reliable to ship. If
> you are interested, shoot me an offer. All I ask is the offer be fair to me
> and you.  Nearly everything left I will sell for $20 or less.
>
>
>
> The gear cover, red sled with plastic parts, and the two Standard gears, I
> will sell for $25 a piece. The two standard gears are both missing the
> indexing gear. The pictures for these parts are attached. I'll attach other
> pictures as a reply to this message.
>
>
>
> The box of parts, I had a ton of interest in. So let me know which parts
> you are interested in that box, please be specific. I'm selling the locking
> plates for either $1.50 or $1 each depending on the size. I know you can't
> get those now so I'd like to see a few people get them.
>
>
>
> I still have the 2x Gear for $100. I also have six 100" aluminum rails. I
> have no desire to ship them at that size but if you are in critical need,
> I'll do my best to help. I don't mind cutting them down to reasonable size.
> I will sell that for $5 a linear foot.
>
>
>
> If you have already talked to me about stuff, I have done my best to make
> sure the stuff you want has been set aside. Let me know if any of these new
> parts are something you also need.
>
>
>
> I'd love to see this all wrapped up in the next week. My wife is telling
> me I need to start building stuff and stop selling stuff :).
>
>
>
> Regards, It's been a pleasure meeting many of you virtually.
>
> Tracy
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Re: Kind of LOM related

[Tracy Smith]

Tim,

When I was in my early 20s, I worked in a restaurant that specializes in
pies. That is when I learned I do NOT like rhubarb, yuck! The rest of the
pies were delicious though.

Tracy



On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:50 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> You've never eaten rhubarb until you've tried strawberry Rhubarb Crisp.
> mm  good.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the suggestions around how to use the chips in a project.
>>
>> Bill, that plant on the other side of the fence, I believe, is a
>> rhubarb plant. My back neighbor is a big time gardner. I'm not a fan of
>> rhubarb though.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:07 AM M.W.Foscue 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I echo Bill's comments - I was thinking the same thing.
>>> Especially if you use it to fill in open areas, pockets, checks, etc in
>>> a light color wood like maple or hickory.
>>> We all look forward to your follow-up photos.
>>> What's that huge vegetable plant on the other side of the fence in photo
>>> that ends w/5105.  Squash?
>>> It sure has a head start on whatever you are planting in your Grow Boxes.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>>> Sent: May 3, 2021 12:55 AM
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Kind of LOM related
>>>
>>> Interesting I look forward to the color change perhaps you could use
>>> them with epoxy as a blood red inlay on a project . just a thought
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 3 May 2021 2:27 PM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* Kind of LOM related
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Over two years ago I was using my mill to do a lot of work with
>>> redwood.. I had a ton of chips and sawdust. I just couldn't throw it all
>>> away so I bagged it up and stored it away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used some of it for mulch in a couple grow boxes I have. A few weeks
>>> after I put it in the box, the color changed to a beautiful blood red. The
>>> strawberry plants and raspberry plants grew up around the redwood mulch. It
>>> was unplanned but surprisingly beautiful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are just getting ready to plant some stuff in our grow boxes and I
>>> broke out a few of the bags of the redwood chips and put it on the top of a
>>> couple boxes. I've attached a couple pictures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hopefully, in a few weeks, I'll post a follow up with some cool pictures
>>> to show how the color has changed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, not really any tips about using the LOM but the chips came
>>> directly from using the LOM :).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
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Legacy Mill Parts - part 2

[Tracy Smith]

Hello all,

Sorry this is taking me so long to follow up. Most of the main parts of the 
1500 I have have been sold and shipped.  Can I just say that shipping is a 
total pain :). However, I'm glad to support those that have bought parts as 
I know they are hard to come by. It's been cool to interact with some of 
you directly.

I have the frame to the 1500 left. Some people have reached out to me about 
cutting the rails for specific needs they have. I have no problem doing 
that. 

There was way more interest in that box of parts so I'm holding on to that 
in hopes to share it more broadly instead of sending it all to one person.

Regarding pricing, if there is a part that you need, I would say I'm very 
very reasonable on the price. This is a not a money making thing for me. If 
you have a LOM, and are looking for parts for whatever reason, and you 
think that part may be on a 1500, please drop me an email and I'll do my 
best to help with what you need.

Someone has already claimed the entire sled for the router. Someone has 
also claimed the template, and the left and right directional assemblies. 
Also the driver gears have been claimed. 

I still have a 2X gear and a standard gear and many of the random 
parts/accessories from a previous post.

Parts that may be of interest to people could be the tail stock, head 
stock, rails, joints, locking collars, unique fasteners to the LOM, etc.

Regards,
Tracy

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Re: Kind of LOM related

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks for the suggestions around how to use the chips in a project.

Bill, that plant on the other side of the fence, I believe, is a
rhubarb plant. My back neighbor is a big time gardner. I'm not a fan of
rhubarb though.

Tracy

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:07 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tracy,
>
> I echo Bill's comments - I was thinking the same thing.
> Especially if you use it to fill in open areas, pockets, checks, etc in a
> light color wood like maple or hickory.
> We all look forward to your follow-up photos.
> What's that huge vegetable plant on the other side of the fence in photo
> that ends w/5105.  Squash?
> It sure has a head start on whatever you are planting in your Grow Boxes.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
> Mac
> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: May 3, 2021 12:55 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Kind of LOM related
>
> Interesting I look forward to the color change perhaps you could use them
> with epoxy as a blood red inlay on a project . just a thought
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 May 2021 2:27 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Kind of LOM related
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Over two years ago I was using my mill to do a lot of work with redwood..
> I had a ton of chips and sawdust. I just couldn't throw it all away so I
> bagged it up and stored it away.
>
>
>
> I used some of it for mulch in a couple grow boxes I have. A few weeks
> after I put it in the box, the color changed to a beautiful blood red. The
> strawberry plants and raspberry plants grew up around the redwood mulch. It
> was unplanned but surprisingly beautiful.
>
>
>
> We are just getting ready to plant some stuff in our grow boxes and I
> broke out a few of the bags of the redwood chips and put it on the top of a
> couple boxes. I've attached a couple pictures.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, in a few weeks, I'll post a follow up with some cool pictures
> to show how the color has changed.
>
>
>
> Anyway, not really any tips about using the LOM but the chips came
> directly from using the LOM :).
>
>
>
> Tracy
>
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Re: Rotary Shaft

[Tracy Smith]

Yes, the shaft is one half inch in diameter.

Tracy

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 7:11 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tracy,
>
> Thanks - exactly what I had in mind.
> Due to the shadow and parallax, I can't tell the diameter of the shaft.
> Please let us know.
> It appears it might be 1/2" ?
>
> *For ALL Group members:*
> Does anyone recognize the U-joints?
> Specifically where they may be bought?
> And a source for the shaft and Morse Taper adapter too?
>
> Thanks!
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Tracy Smith
> Sent: Apr 12, 2021 8:27 PM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Rotary Shaft
>
> Here's a couple more.
>
> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
>> Here are the pictures with the shaft rolled slightly.
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I've had several people interested and ask questions about the rotary
>>> shaft. I know this accessory is very rare.
>>>
>>> Mac suggested that I take some close ups.
>>>
>>> I hope these are useful. I took a first group of pictures next to a
>>> measuring tape, and then rolled it slightly and took the similar pictures.
>>>
>>> Tracy
>>>
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Re: The Mother Load Update

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks to all those that have reached out to me. I'm letting the guy that
is interested in my 1200 CNC Upgrade have first pick. He is deciding in the
next week or so. After that, it does look like there is enough interest in
these parts to break up the machine.

So far the only parts that I haven't been pinged about is the 2x gear and
the Right Hand directional assembly.

I just wanted you to know why I haven't replied to anyone directly yet.

I will follow up next week.

Thanks,
Tracy
(trlsmit...@gmail.com)

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> I'll take the motor and limit switches if and when you make them available.
>
> Ray Leaman
> North Carolina
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 10:22 PM  wrote:
>
>> Tracy,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m interested in the motor and limit switches, .25x gear set, horizontal
>> vice, thin stock support, circle cutting center, and rotary table and
>> shaft. I think that comes to $795? Figure up the cost of shipping to
>> Baltimore MD 21227 and we can work out payment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Henry
>>
>> Baltimore
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 11, 2021 8:40 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* The Mother Load Update
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for my late update. A couple weeks ago, the guy that has been
>> really interested in owning a LOM for some time was able to meet with me
>> and pick what he wanted. He came over with his dad on a Saturday morning.
>> We spent nearly 4 hours together. We went over all the features of each
>> machine: Model 1500, Model 2000 and the Model 1200 with the Performance CNC
>> Upgrade. We made a simple 12" three start rope twist on each.
>>
>>
>>
>> After all that, he decided on the Model 2000. However, he really wanted
>> the Z-axis upgrade that was on the 1500. So we moved the Z-axis upgrade
>> onto the Model 2000 and he bought nearly every accessory that I had and
>> several bits.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've attached a picture of the machine all loaded up and headed to its
>> new home.  He drove over 3.5 hours one way so it was a very long day for
>> him and his dad.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've shared with him this group as well as many of the other online
>> resources available. Hopefully we'll see him join this group soon when he
>> starts playing with it. His name is Chad.
>>
>>
>>
>> So that means I still have the Model 1200 with the CNC upgrade and the
>> model 1500.
>>
>> Regarding accessories, I have the following:
>>
>> - Rotary Table
>>
>> - Rotary Table Shaft
>>
>> - Horizontal Vise
>>
>> - Thin stock support
>>
>> - Circle Cutting Center
>>
>> - .25 Reduction Gear set
>>
>> - 2X Duplex Gear set
>>
>> - Porter Cable 3 1/4 HP plunge router
>>
>> - Eliminator Chuck
>>
>> - Right Hand directional assembly
>>
>>
>>
>> With the discussion from this group over the last few months, I wonder if
>> it would make sense to part out the 1500? I know I acquired so many LOMs
>> because of my concern for parts. I would really like to see the rotary
>> table and shaft go with the CNC as I always had plans to create some cool
>> stuff with that. I have someone interested in the CNC so I'll wait to see
>> what happens there before offering the rotary table and shaft.
>>
>>
>>
>> With that said, if I parted out the 1500, the following parts would be
>> available:
>>
>> - Motor and limit switches
>>
>> - Full driver gear set
>>
>> - The rails and parts from the frame of the machine (rails, locking
>> collars, double locking collar, tons of fasteners unique to the LOM, etc.)
>>
>> - The accessories mentioned above
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has serious interest in any of the parts above, please reach
>> out to me. Regarding pricing, this is how I would price each part:
>>
>> - Motor and limit switches: $400
>>
>> - .25X gear set: $100
>>
>> - 2X gear set: $100
>>
>> - Full set of drive gears: $85
>>
>> - Horizontal Vise: $50
>>
>> - Thin Stock Support: $25
>>
>> - Circle Cutting Center: $20
>>
>> - Eliminator Chuck: $40
>>
>> - Rotary Table and Shaft: $200
>>
>> - Right Hand directional assembly: $35
>>
>> - Router: $150
>

Re: Rosette w/wave

[Tracy Smith]

Totally agree with you Bill. Even a very rough video would be awesome. I'd
love to see the basics behind doing this.

Tracy

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 3:35 PM  wrote:

> You need to do a video of this one or post pics and I will try and do one
> I will call it the Ziegler wave rosette I really like it, and your wife
> picked the round one 
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> timjz...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 April 2021 4:27 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Rosette w/wave
>
>
>
> Hey I know this is not perfect and has a lot of
>
> flaws but I went out last night with one thing
>
> on my mind make a Rosette using the CG style
>
> wave attachment and this is what I came up with.
>
> The outside is not complete as it was getting late
>
> but look at the design. the options are endless.
>
> yes chipping ever were as the bit needs a little
>
> sharpening but
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Tim J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Re: Rosette w/wave

[Tracy Smith]

That looks cool.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:26 PM timjz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey I know this is not perfect and has a lot of
> flaws but I went out last night with one thing
> on my mind make a Rosette using the CG style
> wave attachment and this is what I came up with.
> The outside is not complete as it was getting late
> but look at the design. the options are endless.
> yes chipping ever were as the bit needs a little
> sharpening but
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tim J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Re: Ribbon twist spiral

[Tracy Smith]

Very nice.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 8:31 AM  wrote:

> Thank you Arkady
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Arkady Paka
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 7 April 2021 12:18 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Ribbon twist spiral
>
>
>
>  Beautiful ribbon Bill.
>
>
>
> вт, 6 апр. 2021 г., 14:23 Tim Ziegler :
>
> Early Bird gets the Worm Bill
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 6:06 AM  wrote:
>
> Man your on the ball I just uploaded it.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 April 2021 9:02 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Ribbon twist spiral
>
>
>
> Very Good Bill
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:48 AM  wrote:
>
> Ok here we go a ribbon twist spiral
>
> https://youtu.be/YkGSMtixW1c
>
>
>
> made from a 2 inch square piece of whatever it is wood lol 11 ¼ long
>
>
>
> I didn’t have a long enough spiral router bit so I had to use what I had
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re:

[Tracy Smith]

Last I checked (within the last 2 years) the A-G Drive gears are $24 each.
Again, I have a few extra that I will sell for half that plus S

Tracy

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 6:50 PM Brett Giger  wrote:

> Thanks again you guys it's nice to know you have great dudes on your team!
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021, 9:34 PM  wrote:
>
>> Maybe these pics will make it clearer now the numbers in the graph are
>> gear pitches not the dia of the gear, always go by the number of teeth to
>> know the size of the gear
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 4 April 2021 2:22 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just hope legacy has them for you Brett, just make sure you say the
>> A,B,C,D,E,F and G gears in your case you already have the B gear
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brett Giger
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 4 April 2021 11:38 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I need to get the drive gear set,it's what I should if bought all
>> along
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Re: Re:

[Tracy Smith]

Brett,

Just FYI, I have a few extra of the smaller gears. Do you know which you
need?

Tracy

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:42 AM Brett Giger  wrote:

> I just need to order the smaller gears now then I'll be set I need to do a
> little more homework I guess huh
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 10:58 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
>> Brett,
>> What gears did you receive?
>> Curtis is correct - there were the 3 "Gear Sets" like he said - and 7
>> "Drive Gears"usually referred to by their letter designations: "A" thru "G".
>> Please take some pics of the gears you have - and in another photo, the
>> gears youreceived in your recent order.
>> I am sure someone here will be able to tell you what you have and also
>> what you need.
>> Once you have done that - THEN you can call Cindy - and like Curtis
>> suggested - ask her* nicely* if there was some kind of mistake and if
>> she could help you correct the issue you have
>> Have a memorable Good Friday and a Happy Easter to you and yours.
>> Mac
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2021 12:48 AM
>> To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com"
>> Subject: Re: Re:
>>
>> Woops! I am sorry to hear that there was a mess up.  Check your order,
>> perhaps they sent you the wrong set? Legacy made three gear sets for most
>> of there machines, the standard, the .25 reduction gear set, and the X 2
>> gear set. and I think that there were 8 drive gears?
>>
>> I would call Cindy and ask *nicely* if  there was some kind of mistake?
>> and if she could help you correct the error.
>>
>> Wish you luck.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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>> On Friday, April 2, 2021, 12:29:07 AM EDT, Brett Giger <
>> brettgiger1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I said I needed all the pitches I could get and that I had the standard
>> gear set up
>> --
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 8:34 PM  wrote:
>>
>> If it’s the same as you already have how is that good don’t you want
>> gears you don’t have?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
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>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brett Giger
>> *Sent:* Friday, 2 April 2021 1:36 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:*
>>
>>
>>
>> Great day I finally got my gears and it's two of the same that I already
>> have super 200 bucks worth nice
>>
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Re: 2nd Wave went even better

[Tracy Smith]

Nice work.

Tim, I sent you a private message. Let me know if you got it.

Tracy

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 8:42 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Yea and having a lot of fun doing it Bill.
> Really addicting. Was out messing again tonight. Trying the Button bit on
> a test too.
> Interesting. I'm watching some video's tonight again.
> Really want to get that little 200 or Revo at some point but just
> learning this one so better stick with it.
> Now I want to try a Wave Rosette.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 8:44 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yes Tim that’s the one great job moving in leaps and bounds my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 March 2021 11:01 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: 2nd Wave went even better
>>
>>
>>
>> Well the 3rd one is even better. much more pronouned
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 3:59 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Very Nice Tim!
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the router bit 1/4" round over/core box bit, at 1/4" off-set?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think you will find, that this type of design will keep people
>> wondering how you made it. Its simple, but you cant do this type of work on
>> the Lathe. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Please keep the waves coming!
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great day.
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021, 12:16:12 AM EDT, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Fun aren’t they try changing pitch gears for different length waves then
>> try moving wave width as well, endless possibility’s there, then at the end
>> of the wave change from RH to LH and create helix patterns 
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> timjz...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 20 March 2021 2:01 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* 2nd Wave went even better
>>
>>
>>
>> Well not the prettyest but certianly better then the first one?
>>
>> I'm going to figure this out.
>>
>> Anyone else beside Tim K, Curt and Bill done much of this?
>>
>> You've heard of the wave at games well lets get the WAVE going
>>
>> on the forum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great night and for you night owls look forward to comments
>>
>> and pix.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Tim J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
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Re: The Mother Load

[Tracy Smith]

You are right Mac. I'm about 30 min from there. I've been there a few
times. Cool place and good people.

Tracy

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 3:39 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared
> with The Group many months ago.
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Mother Load
>
> So Tracy what state you from then?
> We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so
> driving isn't a problem.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):
>> - Rotary Indexing Table
>> - Rotary Indexing Shaft
>> - 2 Horizontal Vises
>> - 1 Vertical Vise
>> - Template Rail Mounting Kit
>> - Porter Cable Router
>> - Eliminator Chuck
>> - Very nice template follower
>> - Z-axis upgrade
>> - Digital readout for z-axis upgrade
>> - 2 Linear Milling Tables
>> - Indexing Plates
>> - Right Hand Directional Assembly
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:
>>> - Brand new Rotary Indexing Table
>>> - Rotary Indexing Shaft
>>> - Thin stock support
>>> - Circle cutting center
>>> - at least 1 Horizontal Vise
>>> - Dust shield
>>> - Eliminator chuck
>>> - Dust collection bag
>>> - Porter Cable router
>>> - New template follower
>>> - Tool and bit holder
>>> - Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base,
>>> adjustable feet, and several other small things
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:
>>>> - 4 Horizontal vices
>>>> - 2 Thin Stock support
>>>> - 2x gear set
>>>> - .25 gear set
>>>> - Template Rail Mounting Kit
>>>> - Dust shield
>>>> - Brand new gear cover
>>>> - Design Kit
>>>> - Right Hand Directional Assembly
>>>> - All the drive gears
>>>> - Porter Cable plunge router
>>>> - Eliminator Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to
>>>>>> sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade 
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>> Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this
>>>>>> group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of
>>>>>> accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I
>>>>>> thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money
>>>>>> down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we
>>>>>> expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine 
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>> He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he
>>>>>> knows about this group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The machines I am selling are:
>>>>>> - Model 2000
>>>>>> - Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade
>>>>>> - Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope to find great owners for each machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I
>>>>>> still didn't have several accessories, bu

Re: The Mother Load

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Tim,

I'm located a little bit south of Salt Lake City.

Tracy

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 1:32 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> So Tracy what state you from then?
> We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so
> driving isn't a problem.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):
>> - Rotary Indexing Table
>> - Rotary Indexing Shaft
>> - 2 Horizontal Vises
>> - 1 Vertical Vise
>> - Template Rail Mounting Kit
>> - Porter Cable Router
>> - Eliminator Chuck
>> - Very nice template follower
>> - Z-axis upgrade
>> - Digital readout for z-axis upgrade
>> - 2 Linear Milling Tables
>> - Indexing Plates
>> - Right Hand Directional Assembly
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:
>>> - Brand new Rotary Indexing Table
>>> - Rotary Indexing Shaft
>>> - Thin stock support
>>> - Circle cutting center
>>> - at least 1 Horizontal Vise
>>> - Dust shield
>>> - Eliminator chuck
>>> - Dust collection bag
>>> - Porter Cable router
>>> - New template follower
>>> - Tool and bit holder
>>> - Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base,
>>> adjustable feet, and several other small things
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:
>>>> - 4 Horizontal vices
>>>> - 2 Thin Stock support
>>>> - 2x gear set
>>>> - .25 gear set
>>>> - Template Rail Mounting Kit
>>>> - Dust shield
>>>> - Brand new gear cover
>>>> - Design Kit
>>>> - Right Hand Directional Assembly
>>>> - All the drive gears
>>>> - Porter Cable plunge router
>>>> - Eliminator Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to
>>>>>> sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade 
>>>>>> to a
>>>>>> Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this
>>>>>> group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of
>>>>>> accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I
>>>>>> thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money
>>>>>> down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we
>>>>>> expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine 
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>> He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he
>>>>>> knows about this group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The machines I am selling are:
>>>>>> - Model 2000
>>>>>> - Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade
>>>>>> - Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope to find great owners for each machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I
>>>>>> still didn't have several accessories, but we will see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the
>>>>>> pictures between a few emails so none get lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tracy
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Re: last pic table complete

[Tracy Smith]

Awesome work!

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 5:53 AM Ccm Ccm  wrote:

> Nice work
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021, timjz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Down sized and still not going
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Re: Just bought a brand new ornamental mill with the cnc upgrade!

[Tracy Smith]

Katherine,

I just looked a bit more closely at the Standard CNC upgrade manual
available on this page:
http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/downloads/manuals/standard-cnc-upgrade/.
It looks like there is only one limit switch included. That is for the
A-axis. This is referred to on page 7. You likely need to use the locking
collars to stop X or Y movement. I'm just guessing but it seems logical to
me.

Tracy

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:41 AM Katherine Bruinooge 
wrote:

> thanks Tracy for the limit switch info,  when I look at the big red box,
> there is no connectors left unused and all cables are connected to
> something and even labled.   if i take the red box apart I might find the
> motor controller board has open leads available to plug in the limit switch
> wires into?  I would i guess say the same thing for the router it is not
> plugged into the box either i manually turn it on before running a gcode
> file.
>
> Allan
> *Still wondering if any other LOMs are in Manitoba?*
>
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 1:58:37 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
>> Katherine,
>>
>> You can certainly run it without the limit switches but I would be
>> nervous. It's a great failsafe in case something is coded or set up wrong.
>>
>> For example, you could accidentally reset the X,Y zero point. That would
>> mean the edges for the X and Y would be off. If this happened, the limit
>> switches would still stop the machine. Without it, your router could take a
>> nice chunk of something you don't want it to.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:06 AM Katherine Bruinooge 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question... In picture you might have noticed no proximity switches is
>>> this a common setup with the standard cnc LOM.  Is just running with soft
>>> limits from within mach3 acceptable?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 10:31:24 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Katherine,
>>>>
>>>> From your pictures, I think you have the Standard CNC Upgrade. On the
>>>> bottom of this page is the manual for that:
>>>> http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/downloads/manuals/.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice Tracy.
>>>>> thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 11:09:45 PM EST, Tracy Smith <
>>>>> trlsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOoA9UFyqTA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:08 PM Tracy Smith 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Katherine,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a model 1200 with a CNC upgrade.  Here are a couple links you
>>>>> may find useful:
>>>>> -
>>>>> https://docplayer.net/140361339-With-rack-and-pinion-upgrade-for-legacy-ornamental-mills-adding-a-performance-cnc-system-to-an-assembled-machine-assembly-manual.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:03 PM Katherine Bruinooge <
>>>>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> will do
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:17:46 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you post some pictures of  your new Toy? (Legacy CNC)
>>>>>
>>>>> You will need to add it as an attachment on to an E-mail to the group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again Congratulations on your NEW MACHINE.
>>>>> C.A.G.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 09:12:57 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>>>>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks just fixed the wheels i think since it was used as a demo
>>>>> machine that is wasn't completely assembled correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> there was only two bolts holding on each wheel.  came with a universal
>>>>> brackety thingy for holding the spindle was able to modify and bolt it on
>>>>> today.  next a step learning curve on mach 3 ugh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Allan and or Katherine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the group.
>>>>> There are qui

Re: Just bought a brand new ornamental mill with the cnc upgrade!

[Tracy Smith]

Katherine,

You can certainly run it without the limit switches but I would be nervous.
It's a great failsafe in case something is coded or set up wrong.

For example, you could accidentally reset the X,Y zero point. That would
mean the edges for the X and Y would be off. If this happened, the limit
switches would still stop the machine. Without it, your router could take a
nice chunk of something you don't want it to.

Tracy

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 7:06 AM Katherine Bruinooge 
wrote:

> Question... In picture you might have noticed no proximity switches is
> this a common setup with the standard cnc LOM.  Is just running with soft
> limits from within mach3 acceptable?
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 10:31:24 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:
>
>> Katherine,
>>
>> From your pictures, I think you have the Standard CNC Upgrade. On the
>> bottom of this page is the manual for that:
>> http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/downloads/manuals/.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Tracy.
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 11:09:45 PM EST, Tracy Smith <
>>> trlsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOoA9UFyqTA
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:08 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>>
>>> Katherine,
>>>
>>> I have a model 1200 with a CNC upgrade.  Here are a couple links you may
>>> find useful:
>>> -
>>> https://docplayer.net/140361339-With-rack-and-pinion-upgrade-for-legacy-ornamental-mills-adding-a-performance-cnc-system-to-an-assembled-machine-assembly-manual.html
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:03 PM Katherine Bruinooge 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> will do
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:17:46 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>> Could you post some pictures of  your new Toy? (Legacy CNC)
>>>
>>> You will need to add it as an attachment on to an E-mail to the group.
>>>
>>> Again Congratulations on your NEW MACHINE.
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 09:12:57 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks just fixed the wheels i think since it was used as a demo machine
>>> that is wasn't completely assembled correctly.
>>>
>>> there was only two bolts holding on each wheel.  came with a universal
>>> brackety thingy for holding the spindle was able to modify and bolt it on
>>> today.  next a step learning curve on mach 3 ugh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Allan and or Katherine.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the group.
>>> There are quite a few people in our group who know and use the CNC
>>> versions of the Legacy Ornamental mill.  I hope you can find the info. that
>>> you seek here.  I am also happy for you that you found your mill, I wish
>>> you luck on your projects, up and coming. ;-)
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 10:51:23 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> really! The fellow who i purchased it from found it in the back of a
>>> machine shop that sells CNC equipment (bandsaws routers etc.)  the machine
>>> shop had it as a demo and never did anything with it.  he ended up not
>>> doing anything either with it so he listed it and I bought it.  I have been
>>> interested in Legacy Ornamental Mills for a long time now but being in
>>> Canada you don't see that many come up for sale never mind a brand new one
>>> there is still UPC' stickers on the rails and the dust plastic strips are
>>> still clear!  No scratches couple parts missing chuck and manuals did come
>>> with a computer with mach3 configured already.
>>>
>>> Gonna have a couple of questions soon I got the axis motors all jogging
>>> and tightened some bolts from the shipping vibration.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to figuring out how to work it
>>>
>>> Allan and Katherine Bruinooge
>>> Farmsteadsigns.com
>>>
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Re: Just bought a brand new ornamental mill with the cnc upgrade!

[Tracy Smith]

Katherine,

>From your pictures, I think you have the Standard CNC Upgrade. On the
bottom of this page is the manual for that:
http://www.legacycncwoodworking.com/downloads/manuals/.

Tracy

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:19 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Nice Tracy.
> thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 11:09:45 PM EST, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOoA9UFyqTA
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:08 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Katherine,
>
> I have a model 1200 with a CNC upgrade.  Here are a couple links you may
> find useful:
> -
> https://docplayer.net/140361339-With-rack-and-pinion-upgrade-for-legacy-ornamental-mills-adding-a-performance-cnc-system-to-an-assembled-machine-assembly-manual.html
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:03 PM Katherine Bruinooge 
> wrote:
>
> will do
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:17:46 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>
> Could you post some pictures of  your new Toy? (Legacy CNC)
>
> You will need to add it as an attachment on to an E-mail to the group.
>
> Again Congratulations on your NEW MACHINE.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 09:12:57 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> thanks just fixed the wheels i think since it was used as a demo machine
> that is wasn't completely assembled correctly.
>
> there was only two bolts holding on each wheel.  came with a universal
> brackety thingy for holding the spindle was able to modify and bolt it on
> today.  next a step learning curve on mach 3 ugh
>
> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hello Allan and or Katherine.
>
> Welcome to the group.
> There are quite a few people in our group who know and use the CNC
> versions of the Legacy Ornamental mill.  I hope you can find the info. that
> you seek here.  I am also happy for you that you found your mill, I wish
> you luck on your projects, up and coming. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 10:51:23 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> really! The fellow who i purchased it from found it in the back of a
> machine shop that sells CNC equipment (bandsaws routers etc.)  the machine
> shop had it as a demo and never did anything with it.  he ended up not
> doing anything either with it so he listed it and I bought it.  I have been
> interested in Legacy Ornamental Mills for a long time now but being in
> Canada you don't see that many come up for sale never mind a brand new one
> there is still UPC' stickers on the rails and the dust plastic strips are
> still clear!  No scratches couple parts missing chuck and manuals did come
> with a computer with mach3 configured already.
>
> Gonna have a couple of questions soon I got the axis motors all jogging
> and tightened some bolts from the shipping vibration.
>
> Looking forward to figuring out how to work it
>
> Allan and Katherine Bruinooge
> Farmsteadsigns.com
>
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Re: Just bought a brand new ornamental mill with the cnc upgrade!

[Tracy Smith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOoA9UFyqTA

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:08 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Katherine,
>
> I have a model 1200 with a CNC upgrade.  Here are a couple links you may
> find useful:
> -
> https://docplayer.net/140361339-With-rack-and-pinion-upgrade-for-legacy-ornamental-mills-adding-a-performance-cnc-system-to-an-assembled-machine-assembly-manual.html
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:03 PM Katherine Bruinooge 
> wrote:
>
>> will do
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:17:46 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Could you post some pictures of  your new Toy? (Legacy CNC)
>>>
>>> You will need to add it as an attachment on to an E-mail to the group.
>>>
>>> Again Congratulations on your NEW MACHINE.
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 09:12:57 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks just fixed the wheels i think since it was used as a demo machine
>>> that is wasn't completely assembled correctly.
>>>
>>> there was only two bolts holding on each wheel.  came with a universal
>>> brackety thingy for holding the spindle was able to modify and bolt it on
>>> today.  next a step learning curve on mach 3 ugh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Allan and or Katherine.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the group.
>>> There are quite a few people in our group who know and use the CNC
>>> versions of the Legacy Ornamental mill.  I hope you can find the info. that
>>> you seek here.  I am also happy for you that you found your mill, I wish
>>> you luck on your projects, up and coming. ;-)
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 10:51:23 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> really! The fellow who i purchased it from found it in the back of a
>>> machine shop that sells CNC equipment (bandsaws routers etc.)  the machine
>>> shop had it as a demo and never did anything with it.  he ended up not
>>> doing anything either with it so he listed it and I bought it.  I have been
>>> interested in Legacy Ornamental Mills for a long time now but being in
>>> Canada you don't see that many come up for sale never mind a brand new one
>>> there is still UPC' stickers on the rails and the dust plastic strips are
>>> still clear!  No scratches couple parts missing chuck and manuals did come
>>> with a computer with mach3 configured already.
>>>
>>> Gonna have a couple of questions soon I got the axis motors all jogging
>>> and tightened some bolts from the shipping vibration.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to figuring out how to work it
>>>
>>> Allan and Katherine Bruinooge
>>> Farmsteadsigns.com
>>>
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Re: Just bought a brand new ornamental mill with the cnc upgrade!

[Tracy Smith]

Katherine,

I have a model 1200 with a CNC upgrade.  Here are a couple links you may
find useful:
-
https://docplayer.net/140361339-With-rack-and-pinion-upgrade-for-legacy-ornamental-mills-adding-a-performance-cnc-system-to-an-assembled-machine-assembly-manual.html

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 4:03 PM Katherine Bruinooge 
wrote:

> will do
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:17:46 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Could you post some pictures of  your new Toy? (Legacy CNC)
>>
>> You will need to add it as an attachment on to an E-mail to the group.
>>
>> Again Congratulations on your NEW MACHINE.
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020, 09:12:57 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> thanks just fixed the wheels i think since it was used as a demo machine
>> that is wasn't completely assembled correctly.
>>
>> there was only two bolts holding on each wheel.  came with a universal
>> brackety thingy for holding the spindle was able to modify and bolt it on
>> today.  next a step learning curve on mach 3 ugh
>>
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:57:07 AM UTC-6 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Hello Allan and or Katherine.
>>
>> Welcome to the group.
>> There are quite a few people in our group who know and use the CNC
>> versions of the Legacy Ornamental mill.  I hope you can find the info. that
>> you seek here.  I am also happy for you that you found your mill, I wish
>> you luck on your projects, up and coming. ;-)
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 10:51:23 AM EST, Katherine Bruinooge <
>> katan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> really! The fellow who i purchased it from found it in the back of a
>> machine shop that sells CNC equipment (bandsaws routers etc.)  the machine
>> shop had it as a demo and never did anything with it.  he ended up not
>> doing anything either with it so he listed it and I bought it.  I have been
>> interested in Legacy Ornamental Mills for a long time now but being in
>> Canada you don't see that many come up for sale never mind a brand new one
>> there is still UPC' stickers on the rails and the dust plastic strips are
>> still clear!  No scratches couple parts missing chuck and manuals did come
>> with a computer with mach3 configured already.
>>
>> Gonna have a couple of questions soon I got the axis motors all jogging
>> and tightened some bolts from the shipping vibration.
>>
>> Looking forward to figuring out how to work it
>>
>> Allan and Katherine Bruinooge
>> Farmsteadsigns.com
>>
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Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

I'm sure I picked up the terms brick and pineapple pattern from somewhere.
I'm not that creative :)

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:22 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> Spot on Bill!
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:11 PM  wrote:
>
>> They look like brick patterns to me will see what Tracy says
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 December 2020 1:31 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>>
>>
>>
>> Those are some great turnings Tracy.  In the pic with the 3 stacks of
>> spindles, is there a name for the patterns of the top 1 & 2 of the middle
>> stack; and the 3rd and 4th from the top in the stack on the right?  Those
>> are really interesting.  They also look complicated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, in an earlier post you mentioned that the previous owner of your
>> 1200 with the CNC Upgrade had gotten Legacy to rewire the unit with CAT 5
>> replacing the original wiring.  Any idea how hard that would be to do or
>> have done today?  Probably need a PhD in Electrical Engineering I'm
>> guessing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the pics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:05 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>
>> Here are some links to the posts I made a couple years ago:
>>
>>  -
>> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/cn324UH5FF0/m/HWRLDoShBwAJ
>>
>>  -
>> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/m9RAH_NZdus/m/qq8oFMJ3BQAJ
>>
>>  -
>> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YQRK74hviVw/m/IgiSIeJJAgAJ
>>
>>
>>
>> I've included a couple pictures of the work I did that was specific to
>> the CNC upgrade.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the additional information Tracy.  It helps a lot with
>> understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade.
>> Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test
>> on some fairly large projects.  I wish you luck with your 2000
>> machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT
>> knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already..  I'm sure
>> you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and
>> operating.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regard to the "Archives"  for this site...I've searched but all I
>> come up with is the email stream for the site.  Is that what you are
>> talking about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability?
>>
>>
>>
>> Again.  Thanks for your time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry it has taken so long to respond.  It has been pretty crazy at work
>> this last week.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the
>> word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and
>> pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for
>> my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles
>> that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few
>> balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model
>> 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts
>> for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a
>> bit nervous about figuring out how to use everything again.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I
>> actually jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot
>> posts. It had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle
>> larger parts, that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the
>> frame of the model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy
>> and when the machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it
>> down to minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing
>> directions that was on

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Spot on Bill!

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 8:11 PM  wrote:

> They look like brick patterns to me will see what Tracy says
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 December 2020 1:31 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>
>
>
> Those are some great turnings Tracy.  In the pic with the 3 stacks of
> spindles, is there a name for the patterns of the top 1 & 2 of the middle
> stack; and the 3rd and 4th from the top in the stack on the right?  Those
> are really interesting.  They also look complicated.
>
>
>
> Also, in an earlier post you mentioned that the previous owner of your
> 1200 with the CNC Upgrade had gotten Legacy to rewire the unit with CAT 5
> replacing the original wiring.  Any idea how hard that would be to do or
> have done today?  Probably need a PhD in Electrical Engineering I'm
> guessing.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the pics.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:05 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Here are some links to the posts I made a couple years ago:
>
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/cn324UH5FF0/m/HWRLDoShBwAJ
>
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/m9RAH_NZdus/m/qq8oFMJ3BQAJ
>
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YQRK74hviVw/m/IgiSIeJJAgAJ
>
>
>
> I've included a couple pictures of the work I did that was specific to the
> CNC upgrade.
>
>
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the additional information Tracy.  It helps a lot with
> understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade.
> Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test
> on some fairly large projects.  I wish you luck with your 2000
> machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT
> knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already..  I'm sure
> you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and
> operating.
>
>
>
> With regard to the "Archives"  for this site...I've searched but all I
> come up with is the email stream for the site.  Is that what you are
> talking about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability?
>
>
>
> Again.  Thanks for your time.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
>
> Sorry it has taken so long to respond.  It has been pretty crazy at work
> this last week.
>
>
>
> Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the
> word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and
> pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for
> my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles
> that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few
> balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model
> 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts
> for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun.
>
>
>
> I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a bit
> nervous about figuring out how to use everything again.
>
>
>
> I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I actually
> jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot posts. It
> had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle larger parts,
> that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the frame of the
> model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy and when the
> machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it down to
> minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing directions
> that was only noticeable when I was doing the smaller spindles and with a
> much finer design. I got around this by modifying the gcode to always work
> from one direction instead of going back and forth. This is where my IT
> background was nice. For example, by default the initial cut was made going
> down the part and the final cut on the return. Changing directions caused a
> slight shift that could be seen on the part.
>
>
>
> This last summer I got a great deal on a model 2000. My plan is to
> retrofit the CNC upgrade on the model 2000 but this discussion over the
> last few weeks makes me wonder if the motor that rotates the parts (A axis)
> will be stron

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks guys.

I actually never got around to finishing the Gazebo. Other projects got in
the way so I just carefully stored all the work I did inside and hope to
finish it up next year. I still have the spindles to do above the entry and
then all the spindles on the second level. Seems other things always get in
the way so we'll see how it goes. When I get back into it, I will post
pictures of my progress.

I honestly still haven't figured out how to make sure the roof doesn't cave
in. I'm no structural engineer. I know how I want it to look but have no
confidence yet in the roof part. It's bigger than most gazebos I've seen so
I just want to be confident in what I do.

Tracy

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 6:29 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Bill,
> Great request!  Thanks for bringing it up.
> I too remember Tracy making that great variety of turnings he was going to
> incorporate into the railing around the gazebo.
> Like you, I do not remember ever seeing any of the completed Gazebo.
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Dec 11, 2020 6:37 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>
> Lovely tracy I remember these, did you ever post a pic of the finished
> gazebo I can’t remember seeing that
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, 12 December 2020 7:06 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>
>
>
> Here are some links to the posts I made a couple years ago:
>
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/cn324UH5FF0/m/HWRLDoShBwAJ
>
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/m9RAH_NZdus/m/qq8oFMJ3BQAJ
>
>  -
> https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YQRK74hviVw/m/IgiSIeJJAgAJ
>
>
>
> I've included a couple pictures of the work I did that was specific to the
> CNC upgrade.
>
>
>
> Tracy
> --
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the additional information Tracy.  It helps a lot with
> understanding what it would take to install then operate the CNC Upgrade.
> Good to know it was powerful enough to handle what seems like a good test
> on some fairly large projects.  I wish you luck with your 2000
> machine although it doesn't seem like you will need it given your IT
> knowledge and experience with the upgrade on your 1200 already..  I'm sure
> you will have a lot of fun getting the CNC Upgrade resituated. and
> operating.
>
>
>
> With regard to the "Archives"  for this site...I've searched but all I
> come up with is the email stream for the site.  Is that what you are
> talking about or is there an actual archive with topic search capability?
>
>
>
> Again.  Thanks for your time.
>
>
>
> Ray
> --
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Hi Ray,
>
>
>
> Sorry it has taken so long to respond.  It has been pretty crazy at work
> this last week.
>
>
>
> Once I got everything tuned in, I was very happy. If you search for the
> word "gazebo" in the group archive, you will find some of my posts and
> pictures I shared about 2 years ago. I made about 70% of the spindles for
> my project and expect to finish the rest in 2021. I made over 150 spindles
> that were about 1x1x12 with 20 different designs. I also made a few
> balusters that were about 4x4x30. I made most of the baluster using a model
> 1500 before I found the CNC upgraded machine. I also made 8 6x6x7' posts
> for my project. There was a lot of variety and I had a lot of fun.
>
>
>
> I'm looking forward to getting back into it next year but, honestly, a bit
> nervous about figuring out how to use everything again.
>
>
>
> I found the CNC upgrade to work great and have plenty of power. I actually
> jimmy-rigged a 12"+ extension on my machine to work on the 7 foot posts. It
> had no problem turning it. Even though the machine can handle larger parts,
> that was the largest part I tried on the machine. I found the frame of the
> model 1200 to be a bit shaky. The CNC upgrade is quite heavy and when the
> machine really starts working, I would intentionally slow it down to
> minimize the wobble.There was some slight drift when changing directions
> that was only noticeable when I was doing the smaller spindles and with a
> much finer design. I got around this by modifying the gcode to always wo

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Arkady,

I did ask about selling to people who had a Legacy machine and just needed
the software. They are going to look into it but said it may be more than a
week before I hear back. If I hear any good news, I'll let you know.

Tracy

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:51 PM Arkady Paka  wrote:

> Hi Tracy.
> Thank you for info. But it is very very sadly. My old dream about upgrade
> my lom to CNC is impossible.
> Arkady from Ukraine.
>
> пт, 11 дек. 2020 г., 23:37 Tracy Smith :
>
>> Hi Arkady,
>>
>> I just talked to someone at Legacy. They don't sell Conversational CAM by
>> itself. It is sold only with the CNC machines.
>>
>> Sorry,
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:48 AM Arkady Paka  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tracy.
>>> Thank you very much. It is difficult to me to call Legacy by myself
>>> because my English is very poor for real time conversation. Please ask
>>> Legasy how much CCAM costs and what way I will got it. Maybe usb flashcard
>>> or online download.
>>> Arkady from Ukraine.
>>>
>>> пт, 11 дек. 2020 г., 06:46 Tracy Smith :
>>>
>>>> Hi Arkady,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know for sure but would think Legacy would have no problem
>>>> selling that software to you. I can't imagine why it would be an issue.
>>>> I've bought several used machines and have been to their office many times
>>>> to buy some of the parts the machines were missing. If you were really
>>>> serious, I wouldn't mind calling them and getting more information for you
>>>> if you like.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:26 AM Arkady Paka 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tracy. You said to Ray it possible to buy CCAM from Legacy. If I
>>>>> will upgrade my LOM to CNC by myself can I buy CCAM or it possible
>>>>> registered users only.
>>>>> Arkady from Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>> пт, 4 дек. 2020 г., 04:36 Ray Leaman :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for responding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:24 AM  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have my setup running with an AVID CNC control box. I use MACH 4
>>>>>>> ESS to control it. Program in Vcarve pro, and export .txt files. Great 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get you started with the rotary. The CCAM works with that setup too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> From: "Ray Leaman"
>>>>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday December 2 2020 10:03:20PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
>>>>>>> definitely helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade
>>>>>>> kit when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and
>>>>>>> how fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an
>>>>>>> update that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was
>>>>>>> fishing in other words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I
>>>>>>> was seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
>>>>>>> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
>>>>>>> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
>>>>>>> from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
>>>>>>> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
>>>>>>> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
>>>>>>> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
>>>>>>> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was
>>>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also 
>>>>

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Arkady,

I just talked to someone at Legacy. They don't sell Conversational CAM by
itself. It is sold only with the CNC machines.

Sorry,
Tracy

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 4:48 AM Arkady Paka  wrote:

> Hi Tracy.
> Thank you very much. It is difficult to me to call Legacy by myself
> because my English is very poor for real time conversation. Please ask
> Legasy how much CCAM costs and what way I will got it. Maybe usb flashcard
> or online download.
> Arkady from Ukraine.
>
> пт, 11 дек. 2020 г., 06:46 Tracy Smith :
>
>> Hi Arkady,
>>
>> I don't know for sure but would think Legacy would have no problem
>> selling that software to you. I can't imagine why it would be an issue.
>> I've bought several used machines and have been to their office many times
>> to buy some of the parts the machines were missing. If you were really
>> serious, I wouldn't mind calling them and getting more information for you
>> if you like.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:26 AM Arkady Paka  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tracy. You said to Ray it possible to buy CCAM from Legacy. If I will
>>> upgrade my LOM to CNC by myself can I buy CCAM or it possible registered
>>> users only.
>>> Arkady from Ukraine.
>>>
>>> пт, 4 дек. 2020 г., 04:36 Ray Leaman :
>>>
>>>> Thanks for responding.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:24 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have my setup running with an AVID CNC control box. I use MACH 4 ESS
>>>>> to control it. Program in Vcarve pro, and export .txt files. Great to get
>>>>> you started with the rotary. The CCAM works with that setup too.
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> From: "Ray Leaman"
>>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday December 2 2020 10:03:20PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
>>>>> definitely helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade
>>>>> kit when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and
>>>>> how fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an
>>>>> update that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was
>>>>> fishing in other words.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I
>>>>> was seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
>>>>> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
>>>>> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
>>>>> from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
>>>>> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
>>>>> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
>>>>> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
>>>>> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was
>>>>> Microsoft Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also used
>>>>> for their Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard
>>>>> and Performance CNC Upgrade Kits.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not an IT guy.  Does the above sound correct given your
>>>>> understanding?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean by "what code was used"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles
>>>>>> and that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This
>>>>>> (Conversational Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into
>>>>>> Mach 3 (or other versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to 
>>>>

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Arkady,

I don't know for sure but would think Legacy would have no problem selling
that software to you. I can't imagine why it would be an issue. I've bought
several used machines and have been to their office many times to buy some
of the parts the machines were missing. If you were really serious, I
wouldn't mind calling them and getting more information for you if you like.

Regards,
Tracy

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:26 AM Arkady Paka  wrote:

> Hi Tracy. You said to Ray it possible to buy CCAM from Legacy. If I will
> upgrade my LOM to CNC by myself can I buy CCAM or it possible registered
> users only.
> Arkady from Ukraine.
>
> пт, 4 дек. 2020 г., 04:36 Ray Leaman :
>
>> Thanks for responding.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 6:24 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I have my setup running with an AVID CNC control box. I use MACH 4 ESS
>>> to control it. Program in Vcarve pro, and export .txt files. Great to get
>>> you started with the rotary. The CCAM works with that setup too.
>>>
>>> -
>>> From: "Ray Leaman"
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Wednesday December 2 2020 10:03:20PM
>>> Subject: Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit
>>>
>>> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
>>> definitely helpful.
>>>
>>> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit
>>> when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and how
>>> fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update
>>> that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was fishing in
>>> other words.
>>>
>>> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was
>>> seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
>>> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
>>> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
>>> from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
>>> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
>>> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
>>> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
>>> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R
>>>
>>> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was
>>> Microsoft Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also used
>>> for their Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and
>>> Performance CNC Upgrade Kits.
>>>
>>> I am not an IT guy.  Does the above sound correct given your
>>> understanding?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ray,
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "what code was used"?
>>>>
>>>> Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and
>>>> that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational
>>>> Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other
>>>> versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I
>>>> got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling
>>>> with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and
>>>> lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of
>>>> fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a
>>>> challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The
>>>> biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of
>>>> and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how
>>>> to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out
>>>> again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been
>>>> over 1.5 years since I did anything.  I plan to do more work next year so
>>>> will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process.
>>>>
>>>> I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :).
>>>>
>>>> Regarding question 2, I believe technically, you could use any software
>>>> that produces gcode. There is 

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Ray,

Your summary sounds pretty accurate. The key things that I remember giving
me problems were:

   - Configuring the right IP address in the Ethernet setup
   - On my laptop, I had to disable wireless after things were set up or it
   would not work (this took a while to figure out)
   - Tuning the settings to make sure the programs knew the setup for the
   1200.  Setup in this case means: dimensions of the cutting area, tuning the
   stepper motors for accurate measurements, start and end positions on all
   axes (X,Y,Z,A). I ruined a nice bit when I ran it into my headstock on the
   mill because this was not setup and tested correctly :(.

Not too long after I got the CNC Upgraded 1200, I got a Legacy Explorer CNC
at a great price. I've only used that a little so far but I was able to get
the same computer for the Explorer to talk to and run the CNC Upgraded
1200.  I only bring that up because the version of Windows and the version
of Mach were all quite a few years newer and I was still able to get it to
work with the older CNC setup. Patient troubleshooting and tuning was the
key for me. I was not on a deadline and enjoyed figuring it out. So, even
though it took a while, it wasn't frustrating.

One other advantage I had was the person I bought the CNC upgraded 1200
from had taken the control box, that originally came with the CNC upgrade,
to Legacy and had them replace the old parallel cable with a new CAT5
cable. That just meant it was a lot easier to plug into a modern computer.
I'm sure most control boxes that would have come with the original CNC
upgrade would still have the old cables and ports - which would create
challenges to connect to a computer now.

I also was able to take the 2 day course Legacy offers on how to run a CNC.
That was pretty cool and tons of what I learned there, although tailored to
the current CNCs, was still very relevant to the CNC upgraded 1200.

Again, hope this is helpful.

Tracy

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:03 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> Thanks for picking up on this post Tracy.  Your comments is
> definitely helpful.
>
> I was looking to find out what software Legacy used for the upgrade kit
> when they put it out.  Given how long ago that software came out and how
> fast software development moves I wondered if someone had found an update
> that was compatible with or run the CNC upgrade system.  I was fishing in
> other words.
>
> Since my earlier post my research turned up a little more on what I was
> seeking. Legacy used an OM5 Control Software and as
> you indicated Conversational Cam. Users needed to download an Install
> Program to a desktop (their recommendation at the time; 32 bit version)
> from www.artsoftcontrols.com.  Then you needed to download a
> Mach3exe.file from Legacy's site, and save that directly into the
> Mach3/folder. To complete the installation properly it was necessary to
> download three (3) more files: Performance OM5 RevC.set; Performance
> Screen Sets folder; and Performance CNC R
>
> Finally the software operating System for the OM5 interface was Microsoft
> Windows XP; Vista; or Windows 7.  Apparently this was also used for their
> Arty and Artisan units back when they first started coming out.
>
> I'm not sure if the software is or is not the same for the Standard and
> Performance CNC Upgrade Kits.
>
> I am not an IT guy.  Does the above sound correct given your understanding?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ray,
>>
>> What do you mean by "what code was used"?
>>
>> Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and
>> that program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational
>> Cam) is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other
>> versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I
>> got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling
>> with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and
>> lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of
>> fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a
>> challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The
>> biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of
>> and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how
>> to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out
>> again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been
>> over 1.5 years since I did anything.  I plan to do more work next year so
>> will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process.
>>
>> I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :).
>&

Re: Code Used for the Legacy CNC Upgrade Kit

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Ray,

What do you mean by "what code was used"?

Legacy uses the software Conversational Cam to design the spindles and that
program creates the Gcode for the CNC machines. This (Conversational Cam)
is unique to Legacy. The Gcode is then loaded into Mach 3 (or other
versions) and Mach 3 is what processes the Gcode to drive the CNC. When I
got my CNC Performance Upgraded model 1200, I spent about 2 weeks fiddling
with it to get it to work. It was hours looking at very old web forums and
lots of careful trial and error. I'm an IT guys so for me it was a lot of
fun and I was very happy when I got everything working. It was definitely a
challenge and there was little that was straightforward about it. The
biggest problem was figuring out how to get modern software to be aware of
and talk to the "old" Legacy CNC machine. I couldn't coach someone on how
to repeat what I did. I would have to go through and figure it all out
again. I did a ton of spindle work once I got it all working but it's been
over 1.5 years since I did anything.  I plan to do more work next year so
will I will be forced to refresh myself on the process.

I am happy to help if I can but be prepared :).

Regarding question 2, I believe technically, you could use any software
that produces gcode. There is a different to doing CNC work on a flat
surface as compared to a round rotating surface. I would image you could
buy the current version of Conversational Cam from Legacy and it would
still create workable gcode for you. The challenge will be the tools used
to process the gcode and actually "talks" to your machine.

I hope that helps.

Regards,
Tracy

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:37 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> Do any users of the CNC Performance Upgrade Kit here know what code was
> used at the time the kit was sold initially?
>
> Secondly, is that kit's software updatable for compatibility with say
> today's CAM/CAD or other software packages?
>
> In other words can the original kit software be updated?
>
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Tracy Smith]

I think you are right Bill.  If I remember correctly, Legacy only did the
CNC upgrades for about a year. According to this page:
https://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html, the CNC upgrades were
discontinued in 2011.

Tracy

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM  wrote:

> I cant tell you a date but the ball bearing headstock, the cnc upgrade and
> the adjustable vertical vice I would say its one of the later models not
> long before legacy stopped making them and turned to totally making cnc
> that’s just my opinion. Tim K or English roger  would be the men who would
> know if anyone would
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 2:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine that
> would be something.
>
> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>
> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
> they are?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>
> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some of
> you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed along
> with many other nice accessories.
>
> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>
> What are you referring too tim?
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>
>
>
> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
> nice angle changing brackets.
>
> Does anyone else have those???
>
> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
> etc...
>
> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> --
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like the
> cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks for sharing that Curt.

I think I have the templates that are referred to on page 8.  They are a
bit rusty and heavy. I wasn't too sure what they were for. I doubt I will
ever use them though. It's nice to know what they are.\

Thanks again,
Tracy

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Ornamental mills mag. #7.pdf
>
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 10:19:10 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Curtis<
>
> I dont think I have that volume I only have about 3 of them that was all I
> got when I bought my machine.
> I was trying to show Ray a pic of them.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Tim
> If the templates are wavy, they could be the swan-neck molding set?
>
> Look in the volume seven Ornamental mills magazine.   "Boy" do I miss
> those paper magazines...! (Hot summer sale ends Sep 15 2005!) Where did the
> time go?
>
> C.A.G.
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 10:03:00 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Should be a couple metal templates I think that are created by Legacy that
> are wave patterns. Bill probably would be better at
> explaining them as was just using them and posting, or Curtis
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:56 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
> What waves Tim?
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 9:06 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> This might be another topic that we all could benefit from.
> I think I only have one stylius to the big brass one that follows the
> waves etc...
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:00 PM  wrote:
>
> I don’t know mac I make my own I would assume you would have to get them
> made I wouldn’t be beyond making them out of really hard wood or plastic on
> the legacy or wood lathe
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 12:55 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks.  Where does one get more styluses - of the various sizes?
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 4:51 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
> exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Bill
> --
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
> adjustment plate.
>
>
>
> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>
>
>
> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is, you REALLY
> want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Tracy Smith]

What about the dust collection bag that snaps on the bottom of the 1200?

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 5:33 PM  wrote:

> Ray the things I didn’t see are the 2X multiply gears and the .25
> reduction gears very important gears to have , did your mill have them
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 7:42 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
>
>
> Well, at this point I can actually say mine has been out of the box. Using
> it may be a different story for a while. My son is showing a lot of
> interest in what a Legacy can do and is already chomping at the bit to make
> some hollow spiral lamps with his own "twist" on it.  We'll see.
>
>
>
> You do make a very valid point.  That is certainly how I lucked out.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:19 PM M.W.Foscue 
> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
>
>
> This is one of a few "accessories" that can be easily home-made and
> perform as well as the Legacy version.  However, inn your case, you can't
> argue with its price - since it was included in the Pirate's Chest!
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, I am sure there are MANY LOMs out there that were either
> never completely taken out of their boxes and assembled, or if they were,
> infrequently or hardly ever used.  Yours being a good example.  There is
> one Group member here (Maybe he'll hold up his hand and say "It was me!"
> here.) that took delivery YEARS ago and never unboxed it until about 12-8
> months ago.  If I remember right he was recently married (to Tess?) and it
> may have been her ideas were the spark that lit his fire to finally unbox
> and assemble his Mill.  I don't know (remember) if he has made anything
> with it yet.  I guess we will see - if he reads this and brings us up to
> date. (I also remember that she was from the Philippines and they were
> going to build a home there and live both here and there each year.)
>
> I am personally aware of another Mill where the owner started to put it
> together, stopped part way through - leaving most of it in the boxes.
> Before ever getting it all together, he left us for "The Grand Woodshop in
> Heaven" - where there are Legacy Mills already put together - awaiting
> users!
>
> Thanks again for sharing.
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center
>
> Again new in the box.  I don't think the guy I  bought my 1200 from really
> used it much.
>
>
>
> Fairly straight forward tool accessory.  Once mounted on the inner rails I
> see this as a way to make any diameter circles (thinking able tops) up to
> the capacity of the machine.  Has anyone in the group used this accessory?
> Other uses.
>
>
>
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks for sharing that tidbit of information Bill. I think I have two
stylesses and I had no idea why you needed more than one.

Tracy

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 2:51 PM  wrote:

> You need several sizes of stylises the styless you use must be the same
> dia as the router bit your cutting with or your reproduction won’t be
> exactly the same.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:51 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Template Follower
>
>
>
> I have the makings of a template follower as you can see in this photo.
> As you can see I have the follower and the Stylus Adjustment Plate.  While
> there is no dust port hole in the follower near the router carriage like
> shows in the legacy literature, I do have a wholly different aluminum plate
> with a plastic 3" dust port that does n't seem to fit anywhere with what
> you see in this picture.  And, obviously I do not have the the 1/2" brass
> and hardened steel stylus that fits in that aluminum block on the stylus
> adjustment plate.
>
>
>
> Finally, I also do not Template Rail Mounting Kit.  None of it.  That's
> not a killer as it can probably be improvised somewhat easily.
>
>
>
> So I will be getting back with the gut I bought it from to see if it's
> laying around somewhere gathering dust.  Seems strange that the follower is
> on the router carriage but the rest of the assembly is missing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after getting everything else, you all kn ow how it is, you REALLY
> want all the pieces to complete the collection of accessories.
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Tracy Smith]

I agree with the comment on the Vertical Vice. That one is very nice. It's
the best model I have seen. I wonder if it is one of the last versions they
made before going all in on CNCs. I've never seen a vertical vice that is
adjustable.

Tracy



On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:25 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

> Well the big ones are the motors, controller, and limit switches.  I'd
> really like to be able to do the cnc upgrade too but will have to see what
> turns up.  If you run across any of that let me know.  Thanks.
>
> Ray
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:39 PM  wrote:
>
>> I swear ray you have the luck of the Irish that vertical vice is the
>> adjusting model normally harder to come by
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t think there is a single extra you don’t have
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:18 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>>
>>
>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
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Re: My New 1200- Gears; Indexing Plates; etc..

[Tracy Smith]

Sorry to be vague.  I'm referring to the comment.

Pic 3366 -  Still in the plastic.  Labelled "Standard CNC A-axis Stepper
> Hardware".


It is the same gear that is referenced on page 13 here:
https://docplayer.net/140361339-With-rack-and-pinion-upgrade-for-legacy-ornamental-mills-adding-a-performance-cnc-system-to-an-assembled-machine-assembly-manual.html.
In the documentation it is referred to as the "A-axis Gear Assembly".

Tracy

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:00 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> which gear was that Tracy?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Ray,
>>
>> I have a CNC upgrade on my 1200. I know exactly the gear and how it is
>> used. Feel free to reach out with any questions if you are able to get the
>> additional parts. I agree with other replies - the gear isn't much use
>> without the other CNC parts.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For sure thats what I did. I asked him to double check when he moved
>>> too. In case he missed something.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 10:50 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll be holding onto these parts for the foreseeable future in hopes of
>>>> coming upon additional parts to complete the upgrade. Like you say
>>>> something might come along.
>>>>
>>>> Am also in the process of getting back to the seller to see if he has
>>>> any more legacy boxes lying around.  As Bill suggested, it won't hurt to
>>>> ask.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:35 PM Tim Ziegler 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just my opinion but anything would be better then nothing. I would see
>>>>> whats adaptable but lots of guys selling their LOM's so it may pay to 
>>>>> wait.
>>>>> Or like me I'm still waiting. I robbed mine from my WoodChuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 6:32 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm afraid to ask but how hard will it be to try to do that upgrade
>>>>>> these days.  I'd really like to do that if possible (part?? motors? 
>>>>>> etc.).
>>>>>> Do you think a motor like the variable speed motor that runs the infeed
>>>>>> belt on a Jet 22/44 drum sander would work if the linkage could be 
>>>>>> arranged
>>>>>> somehow?  The speed seems to be in the ballpark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 6:30 PM M.W.Foscue 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>>> Looks like you need to open more boxes - if you have them.  You may
>>>>>>> have acquired a Mill where the owner also purchased the CNC "Upgrade 
>>>>>>> Kit"
>>>>>>> with/for  it.  If you have no more boxes, you may want to get ready for
>>>>>>> another "road trip" (LOM trip?).
>>>>>>> Contact the person you bought the Mill from and ask if they have
>>>>>>> some more boxes - possibly labeled with "CNC" being on the labels.  You 
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> have more boxes to retrieve as part of your Mill purchase.
>>>>>>> On the other hand, if you have no more boxes containing parts
>>>>>>> labeled for CNC upgrade, and the seller has none, you will probably 
>>>>>>> find a
>>>>>>> Group member or two that will be interested in getting those CNC pieces
>>>>>>> from you - for spares for th

Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Rotary Indexing Shaft

[Tracy Smith]

Ray,

That is a great find.  I live close to the location of Legacy in Utah and
have seen many machines in the last 2 years. Only 1 time did I see the
rotary shaft. I kept it :).

Tracy

On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 11:48 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Sure looking like you found all kinds of good stuff.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> Found this new in the box (NIB). 2 parts: (1) rotary shaft adn (2) #2 MT
>> drive shaft.
>>
>> Allows one to tie together the rotary indexing table to gears on the
>> headstock. When set up "in sync" this accessory moves the rotary table and
>> the router together at the same time.  Seems it would really shine with a
>> motor drive.
>>
>> Ray
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Re: My New 1200- Gears; Indexing Plates; etc..

[Tracy Smith]

Ray,

I have a CNC upgrade on my 1200. I know exactly the gear and how it is
used. Feel free to reach out with any questions if you are able to get the
additional parts. I agree with other replies - the gear isn't much use
without the other CNC parts.

Regards,
Tracy

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> For sure thats what I did. I asked him to double check when he moved too.
> In case he missed something.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 10:50 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>
>> I'll be holding onto these parts for the foreseeable future in hopes of
>> coming upon additional parts to complete the upgrade. Like you say
>> something might come along.
>>
>> Am also in the process of getting back to the seller to see if he has any
>> more legacy boxes lying around.  As Bill suggested, it won't hurt to ask.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 10:35 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just my opinion but anything would be better then nothing. I would see
>>> whats adaptable but lots of guys selling their LOM's so it may pay to wait.
>>> Or like me I'm still waiting. I robbed mine from my WoodChuck.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 6:32 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>>
 I'm afraid to ask but how hard will it be to try to do that upgrade
 these days.  I'd really like to do that if possible (part?? motors? etc.).
 Do you think a motor like the variable speed motor that runs the infeed
 belt on a Jet 22/44 drum sander would work if the linkage could be arranged
 somehow?  The speed seems to be in the ballpark.

 Ray

 On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 6:30 PM M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:

> Ray,
> Looks like you need to open more boxes - if you have them.  You may
> have acquired a Mill where the owner also purchased the CNC "Upgrade Kit"
> with/for  it.  If you have no more boxes, you may want to get ready for
> another "road trip" (LOM trip?).
> Contact the person you bought the Mill from and ask if they have some
> more boxes - possibly labeled with "CNC" being on the labels.  You may 
> have
> more boxes to retrieve as part of your Mill purchase.
> On the other hand, if you have no more boxes containing parts labeled
> for CNC upgrade, and the seller has none, you will probably find a Group
> member or two that will be interested in getting those CNC pieces from you
> - for spares for their upgraded Mill.
> Good luck.
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Leaman
> Sent: Nov 27, 2020 4:44 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My New 1200- Gears; Indexing Plates; etc..
>
> OK, below are the rest of the "gears" that came with my 1200:
>
> Pic 3367 - Set of (5) Indexing Plates (28,30,32,36, and 40 position
> indexing plates). Need to research their use.  Maybe someone here can 
> steer
> me in the right direction as the literature is a little sparse.
>
> Pic 3370 - Drive Gears "A" thru "G". These control the pitch when
> milling spirals (obsolete if you have the 4x gear set).  Also in this pic
> is a right hand spiral drive.
>
> Pic 3366 -  Still in the plastic.  Labelled "Standard CNC A-axis
> Stepper Hardware".  I'm assuming this somehow goes with a CNC Upgrade
> Package but I don't know.  Maybe someone in the Group can help wiith some
> information on this accessory.
>
> Comments, Corrections; or Affirmations are welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
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Re: experimenting with the rotary table

[Tracy Smith]

I thank you as well Bill. I have plans to play with this next year. Your
video is very helpful.

Tracy

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 8:00 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Very Nice Bill !
>
> I very much like your use of the the 1,2,3 block for your spacing.
> Your music is getting snapper as well. ;-)
>
> Great job. Thank you.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020, 08:17:23 AM EST, bulke...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Ok this pattern was done feeding the saddle as the rotary table is turning.
>
> It is done with a 1inch rope moulding bit with a ½ inch pitch and 4 starts
> .1 cut across feeding from tail stock to head stock
>
> 2 undo leadscrew nut and move the saddle 2inches towards the tail stock
> re-engage the leadscrew . now cut the opposite direction for the second
> start headstock to tail stock 3 now dis-engage leadscrew nut and move
> saddle 1inch towards the tail stock re-engauge and mill the opposite
> direction for the third start milling from tail stock to headstock.4
> Disengage leadscrew  and move the saddle 2 inches towards the tail stock
> re-engage and mill the final start in the opposite direction from head
> stock to tail stock.
>
> See easy lol don’t worry its easier looking at the video.
>
> https://youtu.be/2PWOSVEIreY
>
>
>
> the blank is 7x7x5/8 piece of pine double sided taped to the table
>
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>
> Bill
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Re: get ready1... Legacy 2000 auction in the northeast

[Tracy Smith]

David,

I have a model 2000 and it will support parts up to 10'6". The whole
machine is about 14' long - this includes the motor.

Tracy

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 2:49 PM 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> 4x gear set, sounds like you could really stretch out a spiral, to 30”? I
> see a set of porch posts with a candy cane twist. does anyone know the
> length of the rails on the 2000? The model I have had 108” rails, I think
> it’s an 1800.
>
> Good luck to whoever is going after it!
>
> David
>
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> On Oct 29, 2020, at 3:45 PM, David Mann  wrote:
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> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 29, 2020, at 3:24 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hey superstar!(Mac)... why the reply comment as a separate, new topic
> post?... stay with us boss!
>
>
> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-4 dens...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Maybe that’s MAGA mill
>>
>> Sent from Denson's iPhone
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>> On Oct 29, 2020, at 12:07 PM, M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Rumor has it that you already have a "lock" on this LOM - and now you are
>> just teasing the rest of us by sharing the auction - because we would all
>> love to have it - just can't bring ourselves to spend what it will take to
>> win it (bid price PLUS: 10 % premium and whatever PA taxes are [6%?] ).
>> (I think I saw a note on the Mill that reads: "Save for Joe B. of NYC")
>> Source says you plan to "breed" this one with the King Kong Mill you
>> built a couple years ago - to produce "MEGA Mill"!!!  LoL!
>>
>> BTW:  Several of the gears appear to show signs of  "milling/machining"
>> or something.  Is that because they were custom made?
>> Tim Krause - did you make any of them?
>>
>> And:  What doe a 4X Multiplier Kit look like?  And what does it do?
>> (added capability to do what?)
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>> Mac
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Sent: Oct 29, 2020 11:42 AM
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Subject: get ready1... Legacy 2000 auction in the northeast
>>
>> ok, all you Legacy maniacs!... let's see where this auction goes...
>> Legacy 2000... lead screw motor with controller and limit switches... "Z"
>> axis... casters... dust collector/hookup... and it looks like it has that
>> somewhat elusive 4X(?) gearing setup(perhaps those that know this setup can
>> verify this!)... located in York, PA... IRS auctions... don't forget that
>> 10% premium the buyer must pay... and a $75 pickup charge... obviously, no
>> shipping on this bad boy!... here's the link
>> https://www.irsauctions.com/popups/paddle/?lot=427747=6NJHIPJ79WT6CX8ED421BYTB21OIFA=23759
>>  let the thievery and cloak and dagger scene begin!
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Re: Live edge cedar coffee table

[Tracy Smith]

Beautiful work David!

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 5:05 PM 'David Mann' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Here’s my version of what a cedar live edge coffee table should look like.
> Turned out better than expected and the customer is very pleased. This was
> the last project with my old “steely “ model legacy, still working on the
> new on.
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Parts from a "new" model 1800

[Tracy Smith]

I recently shared pictures of a new 1800 that I recently acquired. I've 
finished the assembly of it and am getting really do just sell it but a 
friend expressed interested in the "carcass" of the 1800.  All he wants is 
the frame.  He wants to use as a foundation for something he is going to 
build.

The recent emails shared with the group around the interest in the Drive 
motor, control and limit switches makes me wonder if others in the group 
have interest in the other parts of the 1800 that my friend will not need.

I know parts are hard to get which is why I've bought multiple machines 
over the years.

So my question to the group is does anyone have interest in
- the Motor, control box and switches
- Standard gear set
- .25X gear set
- 2X gear set
- Drive gears
- Vinyl dust shield

Or any other part of an 1800 that would not be considered part of the frame?

If you do, please just private message me.  If I can part out the machine, 
that could be an option for me since my friend is likely to take the frame.

Thanks,
Tracy


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Re: Multi Tasking on the Revo

[Tracy Smith]

Seeing the work you guys do makes me feel like such a hack.  I'm just a guy
that likes power and woodworking tools.  You guys are real craftsmen.


On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM  wrote:

> I love it Richard all 3 set ups at once great job that’s one of the
> advantages of a longer revo
>
>
>
> Have a look at one I made might give you an idea for the candle holder
> https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/Candlestick/index.html
>
>
>
> That part was done on my revo . cant wait to see your candle holder
> finished and all together
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 August 2020 11:24 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Multi Tasking on the Revo
>
>
>
> Just thought I would make a candle holder out of some scrap wood, finished
> object will be about 12 inches high
>
> Revo has to plane , Horizontal vice ,then cut round wax catcher , Rotary
> table work,  Still got to think how to do the top bit for the candle.All
> has to be done on the Revo.
>
> The pics are to show how much as I could get on the Revo
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Re: holy moly!... Legacy 2200 for sale on ebay!

[Tracy Smith]

Thanks Curt.  I likely won't be a while till I earnestly try and retrofit
the CNC but any information is helpful.

Tracy

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:46 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Good for you! that is one Nice machine.
> One note, if the slides will not work for your up-grade. 16mm linear
> slides fit on the Legacy's rail like they were made for it. With Linear
> rail... I think your CNC up-grade might be possible.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 01:09:08 PM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well I jumped in with both feet and picked up the model 2000 this
> morning.  It is a big, heavy, beautiful machine.  It came with a full set
> of gears: Std, .25x, and 2x.  It also came with 2 Horizontal vises, a
> Template Rail Mounting Kit, a Design Kit, a Thin Stock Support, Thin-stock
> Follower, Template Follower, and dust shields.  There are an extra set of
> drive gears (no idea why they are there), the Right-hand Directional
> Assembly (which is broken) and the motor and limit switches work great.
> There were also 26 bits, several of them not even used!  It feels a bit
> like Christmas today :).  Here's a picture of it before I tucked it away in
> my garage.
>
> I told the guy that I wanted to see if I could retro fit my CNC upgrade on
> my 1200.  When I'm done trying to figure that out, I'll sell the one I
> don't need.  He asked to be the first to buy it back when/if that
> time comes.  He wanted the machine, but is moving his shop and just doesn't
> have the room for it right now.  In the end I paid way less than he listed
> it for.  It should work out very well for both of us.
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:22 AM Bawdsey64  wrote:
>
> Hi Curt
>
> Looking at the chassis build and having sold the same 2000 some three
> times I would have to disagree with you.
>
> Cheers
>
> Roger in the UK​
>
> ​
>
>
> ​
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Received: 22/07/2020 15:09:36 +01:00
> To: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> ​
> Hello everyone
>
> This machine looks nice. its big, but I do not think its a 2200 to me it
> looks like an 1800.
> The Z axis is not there. the gear train is a normal Legacy gear set, not
> the beefed up x-4 gear sets. (those gear sets were made for the 2200's) all
> I see are normal gears, one other small factor that dose not look right.
> there is not spindle drive motor, another feature that the 2200 had.
> Di-spite all that I said. this machine looks BIG it dose have the drive
> motor, it has the steel legs/frame... all in all this machine looks nice.
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 02:55:34 PM EDT, 'joe biunno' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Milling-Machine-2200/124244514085?hash=item1ced8cd525:g:XPwAAOSwIZ5e~csy
>  ...
> here is the link to ebay... seems like a clean machine... not much in the
> description... and just a few pictures... interesting that there is no Z
> axis... located in Salt Lake City, Utah... about 50 miles from the
> mothership... h... anyway, starting off at what seems to be a
> decent price but there is a "make an offer" option... so it seems that some
> negotiation is in play... no breaking this bad boy down, so hitch up a
> trailer or rent a truck!... are you paying attention Mac?... let's see who
> gets this bad boy... good luck gentlemen... Joe B.
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Re: holy moly!... Legacy 2200 for sale on ebay!

[Tracy Smith]

The entire machine is about 14' long and will support parts up to 10'6".

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 8:01 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Nice Catch. How long is it
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:09 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Well I jumped in with both feet and picked up the model 2000 this
>> morning.  It is a big, heavy, beautiful machine.  It came with a full set
>> of gears: Std, .25x, and 2x.  It also came with 2 Horizontal vises, a
>> Template Rail Mounting Kit, a Design Kit, a Thin Stock Support, Thin-stock
>> Follower, Template Follower, and dust shields.  There are an extra set of
>> drive gears (no idea why they are there), the Right-hand Directional
>> Assembly (which is broken) and the motor and limit switches work great.
>> There were also 26 bits, several of them not even used!  It feels a bit
>> like Christmas today :).  Here's a picture of it before I tucked it away in
>> my garage.
>>
>> I told the guy that I wanted to see if I could retro fit my CNC
>> upgrade on my 1200.  When I'm done trying to figure that out, I'll sell the
>> one I don't need.  He asked to be the first to buy it back when/if that
>> time comes.  He wanted the machine, but is moving his shop and just doesn't
>> have the room for it right now.  In the end I paid way less than he listed
>> it for.  It should work out very well for both of us.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:22 AM Bawdsey64  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Curt
>>>
>>> Looking at the chassis build and having sold the same 2000 some three
>>> times I would have to disagree with you.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Roger in the UK​
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> Received: 22/07/2020 15:09:36 +01:00
>>> To: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> ​
>>> Hello everyone
>>>
>>> This machine looks nice. its big, but I do not think its a 2200 to me it
>>> looks like an 1800.
>>> The Z axis is not there. the gear train is a normal Legacy gear set, not
>>> the beefed up x-4 gear sets. (those gear sets were made for the 2200's) all
>>> I see are normal gears, one other small factor that dose not look right.
>>> there is not spindle drive motor, another feature that the 2200 had.
>>> Di-spite all that I said. this machine looks BIG it dose have the drive
>>> motor, it has the steel legs/frame... all in all this machine looks nice.
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 02:55:34 PM EDT, 'joe biunno' via Legacy
>>> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Milling-Machine-2200/124244514085?hash=item1ced8cd525:g:XPwAAOSwIZ5e~csy
>>>  ...
>>> here is the link to ebay... seems like a clean machine... not much in the
>>> description... and just a few pictures... interesting that there is no Z
>>> axis... located in Salt Lake City, Utah... about 50 miles from the
>>> mothership... h... anyway, starting off at what seems to be a
>>> decent price but there is a "make an offer" option... so it seems that some
>>> negotiation is in play... no breaking this bad boy down, so hitch up a
>>> trailer or rent a truck!... are you paying attention Mac?... let's see who
>>> gets this bad boy... good luck gentlemen... Joe B.
>>>
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Re: holy moly!... Legacy 2200 for sale on ebay!

[Tracy Smith]

I agree that this is not a 2200.  I already shared that feedback with the
seller that it is more likely to be a 2000.  I only spent a few minutes
looking at it and it looked like it was missing the gear box cover, and the
right hand direction assembly was broken. Not sure if there are other
issues. There were a few other gears there that made me wonder if someone
had tried to do something with more than one machine.  That would explain
the missing z-axis.  You bring up a good point about the drag.  I have
noticed that with my 1200 CNC.

My idea is to steal the z-axis from my 1200 assuming all the other parts
can also easily be used on the 1200.  I know I won't be able to take
advantage of the full length with the parts I have from my current
machine.  We'll see.  It's certainly sparked my interest and is worth
looking more into.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:22 PM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> not 100% up on my Legacy history, but this probably is a model 2000, not a
> model 2200 as the seller described it... doesn't seem to have the bells and
> whistles that a 2200 would have... the CNC upgrade might work on this
> model, but there is no Z axis, so that would have to be made or gotten...
> should be no issues with the Y axis... but it would be interesting to see
> if the motor torque on the X axis could push the router carriage over the
> full length of the machine(11ft/132")... a fair amount of drag with those
> black high hats... and I always wondered, with a certain amount of drag,
> would there be any deflection at times in the lead screw... i.e. would the
> lead screw begin to rotate before actually moving the router carriage...
> and this could change depending upon the location of the router carriage...
> that problem would be eliminated if linear bearings are in place, though...
> that would be a very interesting mod to document and photograph... Tracy,
> hope the purchase works out for you... would like to see the progress...
> Joe B.
>
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Re: holy moly!... Legacy 2200 for sale on ebay!

[Tracy Smith]

I actually went and looked at that machine late yesterday and have been
talking to the owner.  I'm seriously thinking about trying to take my
Performance CNC upgrade that is on my 1200 and see if I can make it work on
this 2000.  It is missing a few things but I don't know exactly what yet.
I plan to go see it again this week to take a full inventory of everything
that is there, really test it and make my decision.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:55 PM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Milling-Machine-2200/124244514085?hash=item1ced8cd525:g:XPwAAOSwIZ5e~csy
>  ...
> here is the link to ebay... seems like a clean machine... not much in the
> description... and just a few pictures... interesting that there is no Z
> axis... located in Salt Lake City, Utah... about 50 miles from the
> mothership... h... anyway, starting off at what seems to be a
> decent price but there is a "make an offer" option... so it seems that some
> negotiation is in play... no breaking this bad boy down, so hitch up a
> trailer or rent a truck!... are you paying attention Mac?... let's see who
> gets this bad boy... good luck gentlemen... Joe B.
>
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Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the occasional Legacy user?

[Tracy Smith]

Ian,

Do you mind sharing where you got the "huge 300GB package of .STL files"
and what you paid for it?

Thanks,
Tracy

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 4:38 AM IAN  wrote:

> Right now I’m in the process of revamping a 900 that came with the cnc
> upgrade already on it. I had issues with not being able to get the A axis
> to do anything, and Legacy really wanted nothing to do with it. I tore out
> the original control box and motors and bought the Avid CNC ( cnc
> routerparts.com) Nema 23 kit. Bolts right in with no issue. It runs off
> of Mach 4, and I just use vcarve or fusion 360 to generate programs. I
> actually purchased a huge 300GB package of .STL files for all of my
> machines , but there are some nice rotary files in there.
>
>  I am at the point where I have installed a drag chain and run the wiring,
> now have to make brackets for the proximity sensors.
>
> Maybe this would be a good avenue for you?
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Ryan Jurgens 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 9, 2019 7:52 PM
> *To: *Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject: *Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the
> occasional Legacy user?
>
>
>
> I actually had quite a bit of experience on Giddings and Lewis machining
> center back in the late 80's and early 90's, that was on a five axis metal
> working machine. When I started seeing the CNC stuff on the legacy I wanted
> one, but about the time they were modifying the manual LOM's I was in the
> middle of my big 3.5 year house rebuilding project.
>
>
>
> Once the house was done I sat back for a few years and built up my wood
> shop, picking up some pretty nice equipment and built Murphy beds and lot's
> of end and night tables. I always thought about that CNC stuff, and got
> close to considering the Legacy Maverick CNC 4x8. $26k was a nit much, but
> I thought about all the things I could do with it . . . And then several
> trips to the Philippines kind of took on a life of its own. 
>
>
>
> Now that Teresita is here and I have a supportive wife, ( Uh, the trips to
> the Philippines had a benefit of epic proportions.) I am now thinking about
> all those fun things again, even finally putting together my New (old)
> model 1200 LOM.
>
> I have been doing some "stuff" on the 1200, but to be honest, my ultra
> technical experience on the Giddings & Lewis spoiled me. I was able to edit
> g code, manually entering lines into the programs directly on the machine
> console. Back then the computer generated code was "sent" from an old DOS
> 6.1 operating system program called Genesis over network lines to the
> machine console. From there I would pick it up and modify if and when
> needed, which it very often did. I could even manually produce simple
> programs for surfacing and making straight cuts of many types. This machine
> also had a 16 place tool holder, and of course, who wouldn't like to have
> that on a Legacy?
>
>
>
> I noted the comment on the router shifting a bit on the LOM when changing
> directions. I thought maybe I didn't assemble things quite right because I
> see that also. In addition, I see some play in the outer rails when making
> certain movements on the x and y axis cuts. I also have noted some drifting
> on the z axis, I have the upgrade, and I now am beginning to think that
> maybe the old plunge router sled might be more efficient for what I have
> been doing thus far on the 1200.
>
>
>
> JOE: you have the CNC package still in boxes? What would that go for it
> you sold it to someone who might think about using it?
>
>
>
> I have been thinking about modifying two LOM's to make a wide setup to
> flatten boards and to do cut outs on plywood sheets. Just rambling thoughts
> at this point. I have seen mills near here for a pretty los price that
> might make it feasible. Maybe.
>
>
>
> So, to CNC or not to CNC, that is A question.
>
>
>
> I too have a computer IT background. I spent 25 years in IT, first with
> building and implementing units and specializing in Windows operating
> systems, then software, then Network systems. And then 20 years of
> Government Public Safety System implementation and administration.
>
>
>
> During all that time, when I saw the CNC era come into play at Legacy, my
> heart was there. I visited John at Legacy in Utah four times during
> business trips, even spending an hour with Tracy as he was working on a
> project with the Maverick.
>
>
>
> Hmmm.
>
>
>
> I still think about it . . As I enjoy my retirement.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 4:05 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> One of 

Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the occasional Legacy user?

[Tracy Smith]

One of the things I definitely ran into was the slippage (don't remember
the official term) when the CNC would change direction.  It is more
accurate than what I did manually but I noticed that in some cases where
the work was very detailed, I had to edit the Gcode and modify how the
program worked so the cutting was always from the same direction.

For example, when the CNC changed direction, the router in the Zaxis
shifted very slightly.  I couldn't adjust it enough to completely take out
all the play.  In most cases it didn't matter because the final cut would
fix it, but in some cases I actually adjusted the Gcode so the second and
any subsequent cuts was always coming from the direction as the first cut.
I know the new CNCs have corrected this but the CNC upgrade to the LOM
couldn't completely deal with this.  I just found a way to work around it.

I also slowed the pace of work on my CNC as the entire mill could really
rock around if I moved as fast as some of the stepper motors were capable
of.

Once the computer is talking to the CNC, the software Legacy provides
(Conversational CAM) is actually pretty simple and most anyone could use
it.  The challenge is just getting to that point.

Tracy

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:35 PM  wrote:

>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-ornamental-CNC-mill/254446633978?hash=item3b3e3383fa:g:P6IAAOSw2Bdd7EG0
>
>
>
> I’m not sure a cnc mill that runs on the old aluminium rails would be
> worth owning yes it will do everything the manual mill does but its all the
> stuff our old mills can’t do is what I would be looking at and I don’t
> think the aluminium rail mills are accurate enough, too much play in the
> slides. the linier bearing rails are much more accurate witch I am assuming
> is why legacy went that way. So as a hobbyist I agree with joe I wouldn’t
> buy one.
>
> Mind you if I was a rich man I’m sure there would be one sitting in my
> shop it would be nice sitting sipping a nice drink watching the machine
> do it all
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 December 2019 2:01 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the
> occasional Legacy user?
>
>
>
> and as the seller has stated in their eBay listing, the 1800 was never
> used... only put through the motions when setting up the programs on the
> computer... a business venture they were considering never materialized...
> so this machine is virtually new, never used
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Re: Legacy 1800 CNC for sale, and is CNC an option for the occasional Legacy user?

[Tracy Smith]

I have the 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade.  I got it about 9 months
after I bought my first LOM (1500 EXL).  I used my 1500 a lot before I got
the 1200 CNC.  I love my 1200 CNC but it did have a pretty good learning
curve and I'm glad I had the experience I did with the 1500.  It took me
about 2 weeks of off-and-on work to get the computer using Mach3 (CNC
Software) to talk to the 1200 CNC accurately and dependably.  I have an IT
background so figuring it out was right up my alley.  There is definitely a
learning curve that I enjoyed but I wondered, while I was going through it,
how many would enjoy and be able to figure it out.  There were two version
of the CNC sold for the LOM - I think they were called Standard and
Performance.  The CNC upgrade also evolved as the one I have uses rack and
pinion and not just the motors attached to the screws.

I would definitely think an 1800 with a CNC upgrade for $2000 is a good
deal.  I paid just over $2000 for mine and it included the router and an
old computer.  The value is there assuming you get it working :).

Tracy

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 8:00 AM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> and as the seller has stated in their eBay listing, the 1800 was never
> used... only put through the motions when setting up the programs on the
> computer... a business venture they were considering never materialized...
> so this machine is virtually new, never used
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Re: One of four

[Tracy Smith]

Agreed.  That looks really cool.

On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:11 PM artmarbles  wrote:

> I like that one a lot. What is it going to?
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Re: Brand new LOM 200 for sale

[Tracy Smith]

No problem at all.  My offer stand for anyone in the group that may be
interested in that LOM 200.  I can see that it is still available.

This group is great for answering questions and sharing insights so it's
the least I can do.

Have a great Wednesday.

Tracy

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:49 PM MWF  wrote:

> Tracy,
> That is a VERY Kind offer.
> The world needs more folks that think like you did.
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Tracy Smith
> Sent: Jul 27, 2019 8:06 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>
> Curt,
>
> I talked to the guy a couple of times.  I know he will come down in
> price.  If you need any help picking it up and shipping, I'll be glad to
> help.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:14 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I have wanted a 200 for quite a while now.
>> You are right Bill vertical template follower. The machine is limited,
>> but it to offers some very real possibility's
>>
>> I will check on it tomorrow.
>>
>> If I miss this one, then I just might go out and make my own unit? With
>> Linear rail selling for a more reasonable prices today.  Making my own unit
>> is starting to sound more like a very real possibility..
>> With my Dream machine, I would go longer, and give the carriage a Y
>> movement, (the 200 only cuts on the center line of the spindle.) I would
>> also like to figure out a way to tilt the Z axis so to cut face-plate type
>> of work... ;-)
>>
>> Well I did say my Dream machine... ;-p
>> I have to run... Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Friday, July 26, 2019, 09:49:17 PM EDT, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The legacy 200 a great mill for pen makers and small work if I remember
>> it has a vertical template follower
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 July 2019 4:34 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone in my area is selling a never used LOW 200.  The machine is still
>> in the original packaging.  It includes a router.  After looking into it,
>> it is too small for me to make use of.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the link to his online ad in case anyone is interested:
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/56802557.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracy
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Re: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy!

[Tracy Smith]

I have a 1200 with the CNC upgrade and these three machines do not have any
of the components, that I can see, for the CNC upgrade.  The red box on the
middle machine looks to be the motor control.  It's very different from the
other two and something I have not seen on a LOM before.

I use to have a 1500 and these look like they are a newer model than the
one I had.  The knee braces on the legs, for example, are something my
previous 1500 did not have.

Tracy

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:20 PM MWF  wrote:

> Joe,
> I'm LMAO!
> Send pics of it!  LOL
> Mac
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> >Subject: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy!
> >
> >and a side note to Mac... my GPS says I should be there by 9:00PM!...
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Re: Brand new LOM 200 for sale

[Tracy Smith]

Curt,

I talked to the guy a couple of times.  I know he will come down in price.
If you need any help picking it up and shipping, I'll be glad to help.

Tracy

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:14 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I have wanted a 200 for quite a while now.
> You are right Bill vertical template follower. The machine is limited, but
> it to offers some very real possibility's
>
> I will check on it tomorrow.
>
> If I miss this one, then I just might go out and make my own unit? With
> Linear rail selling for a more reasonable prices today.  Making my own unit
> is starting to sound more like a very real possibility..
> With my Dream machine, I would go longer, and give the carriage a Y
> movement, (the 200 only cuts on the center line of the spindle.) I would
> also like to figure out a way to tilt the Z axis so to cut face-plate type
> of work... ;-)
>
> Well I did say my Dream machine... ;-p
> I have to run... Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, July 26, 2019, 09:49:17 PM EDT,  wrote:
>
>
> The legacy 200 a great mill for pen makers and small work if I remember it
> has a vertical template follower
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 July 2019 4:34 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Someone in my area is selling a never used LOW 200.  The machine is still
> in the original packaging.  It includes a router.  After looking into it,
> it is too small for me to make use of.
>
>
>
> Here is the link to his online ad in case anyone is interested:
> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/56802557.
>
>
>
> Tracy
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Brand new LOM 200 for sale

[Tracy Smith]

Hello all,

Someone in my area is selling a never used LOM 200.  The machine is still 
in the original packaging.  It includes a router.  After looking into it, 
it is too small for me to make use of.

Here is the link to his online ad in case anyone is interested: 
https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/56802557.

Tracy

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Brand new LOM 200 for sale

[Tracy Smith]

Hello all,

Someone in my area is selling a never used LOW 200.  The machine is still
in the original packaging.  It includes a router.  After looking into it,
it is too small for me to make use of.

Here is the link to his online ad in case anyone is interested:
https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/56802557.

Tracy

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Re: FW: spiral balls

[Tracy Smith]

Those look awesome.  I'd love to know how to do that on my LOM.

Tracy

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 11:02 PM  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
> *Sent:* Monday, 22 July 2019 2:54 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* spiral balls
>
>
>
> I was posting my work to another group the other day (a scroll saw group
> my other passion)
>
> And I came across these pics of spiral balls I was doing when I made my
> legacy ball making attachment
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> I thought I would repost if any one is interested
>
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Re: Greetings all....

[Tracy Smith]

Welcome Paul.

You definitely need 5 routers :)

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 8:05 AM Paul Richmond <4pea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m a new member to the group and a long time Legacy Mill owner.  (I
> bought the display model off the show floor at the Seattle Woodworkers
> show.)
>
> I have a 1200 with power feed and about every attachment that Legacy has
> made for it.  I have used it on a number of small projects but my single
> biggest use these days is rough turning blanks for making hollow forms on
> my lathe.
>
> I’ve grown up working with wood, (our family built commercial fishing
> boats), and am a tried and true tool junkie.  (It’s embarrassing the
> goodies ive bought over the years.  Do I really need all 5 routers?)
>
> I’m looking forward to participating in the group.
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Re: rack and pinion legacy mill

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Bill,

I have a 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade.  It has the rack and
pinion. I love it.  It took a lot to get it working with modern software
but once I got past that hurtle, I've been very happy with it.

Feel free to pm me with any questions.

Tracy



On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 5:13 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> Anybody out there own a rack and pinion legacy like the mill in this video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZdlHxS04mU
>
>
>
> I want to ask a couple of questions about it
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Gustavas,

Sorry for the very late reply as I was traveling.  Over the last year I
have owned several LOM.  I started with a 1500 EXL and bought more for
parts as I saw them come available in my area.  Last summer I got my hands
on a 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade.  The owner had got it on a
trade and knew little about it.  I spent hours and hours and hours testing
and tuning the machine and even attended the two day CNC training class
Legacy offers in Springville, UT.  I eventually got the machine working
great and have been very happy with it.  The machines I collected over the
year I made sure were in great working order and sold them to people in my
area.

My experience on the other machines really helped me with the 1200 CNC
machine.  Feel free to private message me if you would like some help.
I've spent so many hours on this machine the last year.  It did take a huge
amount of time to configure and get it running but I enjoyed figuring it
out and have it working very well now.

Tracy

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 10:52 PM Gustavas  wrote:

> Hello All,
>  I own an LOM with the CNC upgrade that I purchased in 2009. I had big
> plans for this machine but life kind of got in the way so I crated the
> machine up and put it in storage. Fast Forward to today and I think that I
> and ready to get this thing out of mothballs and fire it up.
>  I would love to hear from some people who have one of these to get an
> idea of what they think of it, what software have you used, have you made
> any upgrades to motors, lead screws, controller and such and what project
> have you completed CNC or otherwise.
>  I hope to get this mill up and running again within the next couple
> months.
> Happy Milling.
>
> On Saturday, March 31, 2012 at 7:07:09 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
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>> Hello New Members,
>>
>> This is a reminder that until you post a message, your messages must be
>> approved by either an owner or moderators of this group to be
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>>
>> Getting off the moderated list is easy as posting a message introducing
>> yourself.  Asking a question related to the equipment or posting a photo is
>> always good for getting instant approval.  I still believe this is a family
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>>
>> As of today, there are 63 members that have joined since 2010 that have
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Re: not a LOM question

[Tracy Smith]

It could also have been done with a CNC.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:19 AM Rick Waters  wrote:

> Plug cutters drill conic holes.  A plug cutter would leave a jagged
> bottom.  The bits that Bill and Okla Mike showed have pointed tips, so
> would leave a conic bottom.  Your candle holder mortises have flat
> bottoms.  Maybe a conic shaped router/shaper bit could do this?
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:11 AM Bill Bulkeley 
> wrote:
>
>> With something similar to this i suspect [image: Image result for
>> tapered drill]
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *MAX LATHAM
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 January 2019 1:54 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* not a LOM question
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year all you wood shredders!
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a question not LOM related. While shopping, my better half found a
>> candle holder that would hold numerous candles(3). The holes are conical
>> shaped and the sides are slanted to the base, paralleling the holes.
>>
>> Does any body know how those tapered holes were bored. She's after me to
>> make a few for gifts!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> max
>>
>>
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Re: Legacy's turn table (Happy New Year.)

[Tracy Smith]

I've got one. Excited to try it.  I just haven't had the time to play with
it yet.

Tracy

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 8:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Hello Everyone. Happy New Year to all.
>
> I received an e-mail asking what I though about the Legacy's turn table.
>
> The question brings me to think, How many of you own a turn table?  Do you
> think it was
> worth the expensive?
>
> On a side note.( If you think its a good tool.)  Do you think you could
> make something the
> would work as well?
>
> Its been a little quite this month,( Granted its only 6 days into it. )
> Lets start this New Year off with a big posting month for our group.
>
> Lets hear what  you think !
>
> Have a great day everyone,
>
> Happy New Year.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: ornamental milling

[Tracy Smith]

Wow, that is beautiful.  Nice work!

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:45 AM Ccm Ccm  wrote:

> Hi Everyone, here are a couple of pictures of some of my recent
> milling projects. this is one of a matching set of bow front vanities it's
> a combination of walnut and walnut burl. i turned all the parts on the
> lathe
> then did all the reeding and buttons on the legacy mill
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Re: Anyone know what this is?

[Tracy Smith]

Thank you.  I've seen this video before but it was too long between seeing
it and finding these.  Thanks again.

Tracy

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 11:11 PM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> These might help get the idea
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
> *Sent:* Sunday, 2 December 2018 3:52 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Anyone know what this is?
>
>
>
> Those are templates for a clock project.  There should be one more
> template for making a flame finial.  The other two that you have is for the
> top part of the clock.  I might have some images but I'm away from the
> information at the moment.
>
> Tim
>
> On Dec 1, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> I got some parts to a Legacy Mill this week and it included two plates
> (see picture).  I assume it is part of / to be used with the duplicator but
> I can't find any information on them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tracy
>
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Re: Fw: Member requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Kevin,

Welcome!  I think I may know you :)

Tracy

On Monday, November 12, 2018 at 12:00:28 PM UTC-7, Curt George wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone, My name is Kevin Cartwright, and I recently purchased a 
> Legacy 1500 EXL mill, and am hoping I can network to get more information 
> and proficiency on the machine. My purchase included the following: 1. 
> Motor drive, and the Z axis upgrade, with a digital readout, as well as the 
> following additions: 2. Right Hand Directional Assembly 3. 0.25x Reduction 
> Gear and 0.25x Reduction Index Gear 4. Rotary indexing table. 5. A couple 
> of other factory jigs/devises I'd love someone in the group to explain. 
> Looking forward to being included! Take care, Kevin Cartwright
>
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Re: Video on miniature turnings.

[Tracy Smith]

Awesome video.  Thanks for sharing.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 6:02 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> This is not Legacy related, but on making small parts, I think it is a
> good video, I hope you all enjoy it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q99qqyJQivU
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: 1500 steelley

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Curt,

No, they are not the 200.  I have not heard of that one but I'll look it up
:).  I have a 1000EXS and a 900 that I'm still selling.

Tracy

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 5:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Tracy by any chance when you say smaller ones, Are you talking about model
> 200's?
>
> I would like to get my hands on one of those.
> When I got around to buy one from Legacy, I found out that the company
> stopped making them, I was able to
> buy some left over parts from Legacy, (which I have used quite a bit in
> the past. with and on my 1000ex.) but sadly
> I have not been able to find any of those small models, any where on the
> auctions web sites. (E-bay,Crag's list, facebook market place...)
>
> Have a good day.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018, 11:38:53 PM EST, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I got pretty much exactly what I asked for.  I bought the machine about a
> year ago and basically sold it for what I put into it.  I was really happy
> who it went to as I think he is really excited about it and I told him I'm
> happy to help him with questions.
>
> Just last month I sold my 900 with the zaxis upgrade.  It also went to
> someone that had been looking for a while.  I've still got two smaller ones
> left that I hope to find good homes for in the coming weeks/months.  I feel
> like when I bought them I got a good deal, so once I clean them up and make
> sure they have all the basics, I sell them for a good deal.
>
> Best of luck on your sale.  I hope it finds a good home soon.
> Tracy
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:48 AM 4 Jim Carpenter 
> wrote:
>
> Great Tracy - did you just reduce the price or accept an offer ?  Still
> only a few watchers of my friends on EBay. Have to
> try another site as he was just told cancer now on top of all things.
> Sure would like this to go to someone or place
> where is can be used.  Just sent a message to our local AF Base, wood
> hobby shop that it is available, going to as Jim
> if no luck there is It could be donated to a group, just need to find a
> training center in the region. Any suggestions as to a
> connection in St. Louis even ?  Pass it on to all you buddies people,
> always willing to take payments even ?
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:09 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Just tonight I sold my 1500EXL for $1200.  That included a zaxis upgrade
> with digital meter, rotary table, upgraded duplicator, .25x Reduction Gear,
> Right turn assembly, 3HP router and all the basics.  It was a much better
> machine than what I saw on that auction.  I still have two smaller machines
> that I haven't sold yet - also for a much lower price.
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:03 PM 'Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental
> Mills  wrote:
>
> Sold for 1600.00 plus 15% buyers premeum
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 9:53:39 PM UTC-4, Stan Eichelberger wrote:
>
> 1500 for auction on I R S Auctions mconnelsville ny  lot 133 ends 11-31
> bid is at 25.00 .   Don't know how to post a link wish I was closer lot's
> of acc, motor drive.
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Re: 1500 steelley

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Jim,

I got pretty much exactly what I asked for.  I bought the machine about a
year ago and basically sold it for what I put into it.  I was really happy
who it went to as I think he is really excited about it and I told him I'm
happy to help him with questions.

Just last month I sold my 900 with the zaxis upgrade.  It also went to
someone that had been looking for a while.  I've still got two smaller ones
left that I hope to find good homes for in the coming weeks/months.  I feel
like when I bought them I got a good deal, so once I clean them up and make
sure they have all the basics, I sell them for a good deal.

Best of luck on your sale.  I hope it finds a good home soon.
Tracy

On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 8:48 AM 4 Jim Carpenter 
wrote:

> Great Tracy - did you just reduce the price or accept an offer ?  Still
> only a few watchers of my friends on EBay. Have to
> try another site as he was just told cancer now on top of all things.
> Sure would like this to go to someone or place
> where is can be used.  Just sent a message to our local AF Base, wood
> hobby shop that it is available, going to as Jim
> if no luck there is It could be donated to a group, just need to find a
> training center in the region. Any suggestions as to a
> connection in St. Louis even ?  Pass it on to all you buddies people,
> always willing to take payments even ?
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:09 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>> Just tonight I sold my 1500EXL for $1200.  That included a zaxis upgrade
>> with digital meter, rotary table, upgraded duplicator, .25x Reduction Gear,
>> Right turn assembly, 3HP router and all the basics.  It was a much better
>> machine than what I saw on that auction.  I still have two smaller machines
>> that I haven't sold yet - also for a much lower price.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:03 PM 'Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>>> Sold for 1600.00 plus 15% buyers premeum
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 9:53:39 PM UTC-4, Stan Eichelberger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1500 for auction on I R S Auctions mconnelsville ny  lot 133 ends 11-31
>>>> bid is at 25.00 .   Don't know how to post a link wish I was closer lot's
>>>> of acc, motor drive.
>>>>
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Re: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

The balusters on the last rail were all created with the CNC version of the
Legacy 1200.  I agree, I like that one the best.  I wish I would have had
that machine when I started.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 12:02 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I like #7 the best. the pine-apple cuts with the rope and barley twist in
> between looks very nice.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Saturday, October 20, 2018, 11:38:58 PM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I finished the last bottom rail today. Here are pictures of all seven
> bottom rails.  Next week I'll start on the spindles for the top rails.
> Tracy
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 9:35 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
> Thanks Curt.
>
> The balusters I have done are all pretty dry and whatever cracking I have,
> I'll have to deal with.  I love this idea though.  How does the oil method
> affect staining and finishing?  Does it impact how well stain or paint
> sticks?
>
> Tracy
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 6:55 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning Tracy
> If you are worried about the wood cracking, why not try using my Oil
> method.
>
> That is put the spindles in a tub and oil the sides of the spindle, and
> then put oil on top, the end grain will soak up the oil.Keep adding oil on
> the top until it will not take any more, Over a few days of adding oil to
> the top of the wood, When the oil gets to the bottom of the tub, the wood
> is saturated with the oil, you can stop.
> The idea is to replace the water inside the wood with something that dose
> not dry out quickly,
> As a General rule of thumb, the slower the wood drys out the more stable
> it will be.
> I use this method on 9" logs, (for my Mook Jongs / Martial art Dummy's.) A
> green log, using this method
> cracks very little if not at all. Tung oil or Boiled Lensead oil works
> well.
>
> Again Nice work on your spindles. Keep it up! ;-)
> Have a great day,
> C.A.G.
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018, 2:52:36 PM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> This last week I started putting the bottom rails together.  I have four
> of them done now.  Here's a picture of one of them.  When I get all seven
> complete, I'll post pictures of each.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 10:03:37 PM UTC-6, Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> I finally finished the eight posts for the gazebo.  Here are a couple
> pictures with them all sanded up.  Each post is milled from an 6x6 Fir post
> that is 7.5" long.  There are four different designs:
> 1. Flute: 1" core box with 6 index positions
> 2. Rope Twist: 3" rope twist bit with 3 starts and a 3" classic spiral on
> the top and bottom.  One left turned and one right turned.
> 3. Barley Twist: 3" barley twist bit with 1 start.  One turned left and
> one turned right.
> 4. "Tight Flute": 3/8" core box with 20 index positions.  This has a 2"
> Plunge classic bit on the top and bottom.
>
> The rounded part is 5" in diameter.  The bottom milled area is about 16"
> in length and the middle milled area is about 24" in length. I have some
> cracking but overall, they turned out as planned.
> Tracy
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:25:22 PM UTC-6, Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
>
> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I'll
> have more sanding to do than I hoped but the major work is done.
>
> Tracy
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Re: Not a Legacy product, but something that could be?

[Tracy Smith]

Cool.  Thanks for sharing.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:44 AM Richard Ellis 
wrote:

> That is quite a good idea Curt. ---and I also like his little lathe set up.
> Can't wait to get working ( playing ) on my Revo. Another thing to try out
> We move from this house on the 19th Oct. to a smaller one, less garden
> lawns etc. to look after !! Revo etc etc etc all packed up in boxes.
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 6:42:25 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> I agree curt defiantly could be done on the legacy and would look good too
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 October 2018 3:55 PM
>> *To:* Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
>> *Subject:* Not a Legacy product, but something that could be?
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usMnCQE8o5Q
>>
>>
>>
>> This concept could be done on the Legacy as well as a lathe. I though it
>> was neat.
>>
>> I hope you all do as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

These are great thoughts.  The assembly line approach was exact what I did
when I was milling all the balusters.  I had three stages: rough blank,
finished blank and then finished design.  I got pretty fast at the rough
and finished blank stages.  I also set up a lathe to do my sanding so that
is cool to hear you have the same approach.

For the posts, I found that when I tried to take the assembly line
approach, it would have slight changes because of the weight of the post.
Any tiny changes in location had an impact on actual distance from the bit
to the the surface I was working on.  The was especially true when I had to
adjust for any slight curves in the post.  When I did the milling for the
first part of the post, I would complete that entire section and then make
adjustments for curve and then finish the middle part.

As I finish building the kit for my gazebo, I have about 200 spindles to
make for the top rails and middle section of the double roof so I'll be
switching back to the assembly line approach here pretty soon.  The
spindles will have 8-10 different designs so it be fun figuring that out
and getting efficient at it.

Tracy

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 9:08 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Good morning Tracy
>
> CNC Up-grade sound neat. ( Im not a CNC type of person, but) The
> spindle motor/ head-stock motor is something that I made for my old 1000ex.
> that the CNC has, that I can
> find/ see as a very real value for the Legacy.
> By using the spindle motor (turn the wood), you can spin the wood faster,
> and then by using the drive motor you can, slowing down the travel speed
> giving you a finish that will only need slight sanding.  I use the two
> motors a lot with my machine, not only to get a good finish,when I want
> one, but it helps out when I want to quickly rough out a spindle that I am
> turning.
>
> When I was stating about speeding up the cutting ability of the Legacy,
> This motor concept has some small advantage.
> But the real way to speed up the production in on how you look at HOW  you
> do your work.  If you make one spindle form start to finish, you will not
> only run into problems with mistakes... but time as well.
> I find the best way to speed up the production is to use the Assembly line
> concept.  WORK on all the spindle you plan to work on in one step at a
> time. Do your rough cuts on all of your spindles , and then move to the
> next step... and so on.  YOUR timing on each spindle will increase, you
> uniformity will also be exactly the same on each spindle.  Most people try
> to work like a CNC, (that is make one spindle form start to finish ONE AT A
> TIME.) This leads to some problems, Mainly  Human error, small mistakes
> that each slows down the production, You have to adjust for each problem
> and set up...
> And lastly, AGAIN Uniformity will help you alott. that is. ( I use both
> my Shop Smith/ lathe and my Legacy together.) I switch form one machine to
> the other all the time, All my SS parts are the same as what I use on the
> Legacy.and visa versa.  (I made a Legacy drive hub for my SS, ) There is NO
> change over time, I can cut on the Legacy and sand on my SS, or turn on the
> SS and then rope or flute on the Legacy. I can use both machines at the
> same time.  That really speeds things up...!
>
> By the way,  these ideas are not my own they have been covered a few time
> in our group over the years.
> One you our members ( M. Pung) really opened up my eyes years ago. He was
> doing Large volume of spindle at one time, when I tracked his time, I was
> finding that I was cutting appx. 1 spindle in 45 min. and he was doing the
> same spindle under 15 min. per. (HOLD THE HORSES! I had to Learn something
> New Quickly, His methods are what I just explained. And They have helped me
> out, SO MUCH over the years.) (Thanks Again Mike!) ;-)
>
> Woops! Im out of  time, I have to get to work.
> Have a great day.
> talk to you (Tracy and everyone.) latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2018, 10:10:37 AM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Curt,
>
> "Learning Curve"  That's a good one.  I should have thought of that one. :)
>
> Most of my work on this project has been with a 1500 which has a motor.  I
> think my project take forever if I had to crank it all by hand.   I
> actually have several machines as I've been getting them for parts that you
> can't get now.  Recently I acquired a 1200 with the CNC upgrade.  The large
> posts were done using that machine which I had to modify a bit to
> accommodate the length of the posts.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orname

Re: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Curt,

"Learning Curve"  That's a good one.  I should have thought of that one. :)

Most of my work on this project has been with a 1500 which has a motor.  I
think my project take forever if I had to crank it all by hand.   I
actually have several machines as I've been getting them for parts that you
can't get now.  Recently I acquired a 1200 with the CNC upgrade.  The large
posts were done using that machine which I had to modify a bit to
accommodate the length of the posts.

Tracy

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> HI Tracy
> I would call that a learning curve. ;-)
> Over all everything worked out well. As you get more time with your
> machine, I think your times will get better.But having said that, its still
> far faster than what it would have  taken using some other methods.(mainly
> by using hand tools, as our forefathers used.)
>
>  Just 1 Question? do you have a motor drive on your machine? turning the
> spindle by hand is a pain. ;-p
>
> There are lots of ways to make the  Legacy work better,  (we can talk
> about some of the way more latter. For now, I'm tired and plan to hit the
> hay...)
>
> Have a good night.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2018, 3:59:32 PM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Overall, I would say it went as planned.  I ruined two posts along the
> way.  One post was me just forgetting to measure twice and cut once.  The
> second one was because of a slight curve in the post.  It was then I
> changed my approach on how the posts were secured to the mill.  I solved it
> with a simple 3/4 piece of plywood I tacked on the end of the post.  If the
> rounding was not going to be centered, I just detached the plywood piece
> and reattach (adjusting slightly based on the high and low points).  That
> worked pretty well.  I've attached a picture of that piece I added to
> adjust for a slightly curved post.
>
> Each post took about 2 hours from beginning to end.  However, I would say
> I spent at least an hour on average for each post making adjustments and
> dealing with stuff and doing this over several weekends means it took
> really about 3-4 hours for each post.  That was certainly more than I
> expected but it was fun figuring it all out along the way.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:19 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Very nice job.
> I hope to see the final
>
> Question Did everything go as planed? I would like to hear your input on
> any methods you liked or did not like, or things you learned in the project
> /
>
> Again Good job.
> And thank you for sharing.
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2018, 12:03:45 AM EDT, Tracy Smith <
> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I finally finished the eight posts for the gazebo.  Here are a couple
> pictures with them all sanded up.  Each post is milled from an 6x6 Fir post
> that is 7.5" long.  There are four different designs:
> 1. Flute: 1" core box with 6 index positions
> 2. Rope Twist: 3" rope twist bit with 3 starts and a 3" classic spiral on
> the top and bottom.  One left turned and one right turned.
> 3. Barley Twist: 3" barley twist bit with 1 start.  One turned left and
> one turned right.
> 4. "Tight Flute": 3/8" core box with 20 index positions.  This has a 2"
> Plunge classic bit on the top and bottom.
>
> The rounded part is 5" in diameter.  The bottom milled area is about 16"
> in length and the middle milled area is about 24" in length. I have some
> cracking but overall, they turned out as planned.
> Tracy
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:25:22 PM UTC-6, Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
>
> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I

Re: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Michael,

I've always lived "in the area".  Never lived in NY so that was not me.

Tracy

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 5:44 AM Michael Kratky 
wrote:

> Tracy,
>
> Like them, so glad to see a LOM being pot to use.
>
> Have you always lived there?  Knew a Tracy Smith up here in the Albany NY
> area who used to belong to the Northeastern Woodworkers Association and
> bought my General dual drum sander.
>
> Michael Kratky
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:04 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: The extension is working
>
>
>
> I finally finished the eight posts for the gazebo.  Here are a couple
> pictures with them all sanded up.  Each post is milled from an 6x6 Fir post
> that is 7.5" long.  There are four different designs:
>
> 1. Flute: 1" core box with 6 index positions
>
> 2. Rope Twist: 3" rope twist bit with 3 starts and a 3" classic spiral on
> the top and bottom.  One left turned and one right turned.
>
> 3. Barley Twist: 3" barley twist bit with 1 start.  One turned left and
> one turned right.
>
> 4. "Tight Flute": 3/8" core box with 20 index positions.  This has a 2"
> Plunge classic bit on the top and bottom.
>
>
>
> The rounded part is 5" in diameter.  The bottom milled area is about 16"
> in length and the middle milled area is about 24" in length. I have some
> cracking but overall, they turned out as planned.
>
> Tracy
>
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:25:22 PM UTC-6, Tracy Smith wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
>
>
>
> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I'll
> have more sanding to do than I hoped but the major work is done.
>
>
>
> Tracy
>
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Re: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

Sorry Tom.

The CNC upgrade is an official Performance CNC Upgrade Legacy sold back
around 2009.  I heard they only sold it for one year before going all in
with CNCs.  The previous owner didn't know anything about it but did get
some work done on it at Legacy (I live relatively close to them).

After I bought it, I took a two day CNC class from Legacy and then spent
about 20+ hours getting all the modern day software working with it.  It
took a lot of trial and error, fine tuning and testing but after several
days of working through each problem, I have it working pretty well now.
For the project I'm working on, I'm very happy with it.

Tracy

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:05 PM Tom Dotta  wrote:

>
> Hi Tracy
>
> Excuse the Kiwi terminology I should have realized 'bits' here are cutting
> bits and in NZ bits often means ;'part of as in 'bits and pieces'.
> What I was really asking is ' are the cnc motors and controls part of a
> Legacy upgrade' or your own 'home brew' design?  Either way the result
> speaks for itself.
>
> CheersTom D
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:02 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
>
>> Hello Tracy
>>
>> when cutting green wood, you are never going to get the clean look you
>> are looking for.
>> What I suggest is two different ideas.
>> One is to cut and let dry. and then go back and do a clean up pass once
>> dried.
>>
>> #2 is use a shellac sealer (It dries fast) once sealed lightly sand to
>> get rid of the fuzzes.
>>
>> When working with Green wood, I like to displace the water IN THE WOOD
>> with Oil when ever possible.
>>
>> When working with my Mook Jongs. (wooden man dummy's, used in Wing Chun.
>> the average sized log is 9" dia. and 6' tall.)
>> I put the log in a basen, and the oil the wood, I make a dish on the top
>> of the log. and then pore oil into the dish. then I oil the log form top to
>> bottom.
>>
>> I keep the cup on the top of the wood full, until the oil gets to the
>> bottom for the log.
>>
>> Oil dose not evaporate quickly, so the wood drys out slower, I do not get
>> a lot of cracking in my dummy body's when they dry.
>>
>> Ive also used PEG . basically the same way in the past. but I like the
>> oil concept better.
>>
>> My oil mixture is Boiled lean seed oil, and turpentine ( 2-1 ratio,) I
>> also use tung oil with the same results.
>>
>> I wish you luck.
>> Please keep us informed on your project.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 16, 2018, 2:12:39 PM EDT, Tracy Smith <
>> trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> The wood is Douglas Fir. My preference would have been redwood but I
>> could not get any locally.  Most of the project work I've done on a 1500
>> EXL.  Recently I acquired a 1200 with the CNC upgrade.  I've been using it
>> for the last month and used it for these larger posts.  All of my work has
>> been using the Magnate bits.  The rounding uses the 1 1/4 flat bit.  The
>> taper uses a 1 1/2" 90degree V-Grooving bit.  I had to run it twice at two
>> different depths and locations do the complete taper.  I used a 3" Classic
>> Spiral for the tops and bottom of each section and finally used a 1" Core
>> Box bit at 3/8" deep with 7 flutes.
>>
>> The rounding feels like it takes forever.  The only real problem I have
>> is the wood seems to be a bit green so the cut is not as clean and I would
>> like.  Any suggestions besides letting it dry would be appreciated.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 6:06 AM Bill Bulkeley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nice work so far did you mill it manually or by program that is an early
>> cnc mill isn’t it? What is the wood?
>>
>>
>>
>> And what router bits did you use? Fun to do the larger work  I know
>> Curt’s dream is to make a spiral power pole one day
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 16 September 2018 2:25 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* The extension is working
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
>> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
>> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
>> brace under the end to keep it level. 

Re: RE: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Tom,

The bits are all Magnate bits - the ones Legacy promotes.

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 10:42 AM Tom Dotta  wrote:

>
> Good workGoal met and achieved.   Are the CNC bits Legacy or home
> brew?? Cheers   Tom D
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 6:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Nice work Tracy!
>>
>> Bill The Goal is to make a Barley twisted Telephone pole. ;-)  ( "spiral
>> power pole"??? HUM? I guess its the same thing.)
>>
>> Have a GREAT DAY.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, September 16, 2018, 8:06:36 AM EDT, Bill Bulkeley <
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nice work so far did you mill it manually or by program that is an early
>> cnc mill isn’t it? What is the wood?
>>
>>
>>
>> And what router bits did you use? Fun to do the larger work  I know
>> Curt’s dream is to make a spiral power pole one day
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 16 September 2018 2:25 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* The extension is working
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
>> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
>> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
>> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
>> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
>> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
>> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
>> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
>> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
>> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
>> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I'll
>> have more sanding to do than I hoped but the major work is done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracy
>>
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Re: The extension is working

[Tracy Smith]

Hi Bill,

The wood is Douglas Fir. My preference would have been redwood but I could
not get any locally.  Most of the project work I've done on a 1500 EXL.
Recently I acquired a 1200 with the CNC upgrade.  I've been using it for
the last month and used it for these larger posts.  All of my work has been
using the Magnate bits.  The rounding uses the 1 1/4 flat bit.  The taper
uses a 1 1/2" 90degree V-Grooving bit.  I had to run it twice at two
different depths and locations do the complete taper.  I used a 3" Classic
Spiral for the tops and bottom of each section and finally used a 1" Core
Box bit at 3/8" deep with 7 flutes.

The rounding feels like it takes forever.  The only real problem I have is
the wood seems to be a bit green so the cut is not as clean and I would
like.  Any suggestions besides letting it dry would be appreciated.

Tracy

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 6:06 AM Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> Nice work so far did you mill it manually or by program that is an early
> cnc mill isn’t it? What is the wood?
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> And what router bits did you use? Fun to do the larger work  I know Curt’s
> dream is to make a spiral power pole one day
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> Bill
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> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith
> *Sent:* Sunday, 16 September 2018 2:25 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* The extension is working
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> Hi Everyone,
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> Today I was determined to extend the 1200.  The posts for my project are
> 90 inches.  I had two 20" pieces or aluminum rail that ended up being the
> perfect length.  The first picture shows the simple extension.  I put a
> brace under the end to keep it level.  The second picture shows the post
> fitting :).  When I got to the second post, I nearly had a major problem as
> the weight of the post and the soft wood meant the clamp on the end started
> to move through the wood as it turned.  So I cut a piece of 3/4 inch
> plywood to size, screwed it on the end and placed a center hold on that -
> worked perfect with no slippage. The last picture shows the completed
> post.  Much of the day was spent setting up and testing but I was able to
> get two of these done today.  6 more posts to go.
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> The wood is a bit wet so some of the areas looked a bit frayed so I'll
> have more sanding to do than I hoped but the major work is done.
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> Tracy
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