Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I have been using Legacy Family Tree since version 4 and I have been a 
subscriber to the legacyusergroup for a long time.  I enjoy reading the 
Legacyusergroup emails, which I sometimes find useful.


I looked at the LUG FB a little, but did not find it useful and have not 
looked at it recently.  I have over 300 Facebook Friends, people with 
whom I share other interests.


I am thankful that the Legacy User Group does not have ads.  On google, 
etc., I got so tired of seeing the same ads pop up, photos of clothes or 
shoes I would never want to purchase, etc., so I finally opted out of 
ads.    Still get a lot of ads on, but  fewer and better quality of ads.


Pauline Cramer


On 1/8/2019 8:37 AM, Carolyn White via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I have "followed" the FB page for a while but even though I'm signed 
up for notifications, I never get one (and because of that I never 
remember to go to the page).  I second the usefulness of the email list.


Carolyn White

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 11:35:11 AM EST, Sherry H 
 wrote:



I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one
on a book list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
so wish they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup
> wrote:

>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more 
information than

> the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The Facebook LUG is in a
> much easier format to post information. I can do ten times as much 
stuff on

> the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the 
conversations

>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more 
readable

> (and most people don't do this anyways)
> *It is very easy to search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
> everyone
> *We have "sticky" announcements
> *Upcoming webinars are announced as well as links to the Legacy News 
posts

> *We can delete spam
> *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course
> *You can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and 
explaining

> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members 
of the

> Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I 
can't make

> this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so 
that you

> are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send you
> friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it isn't
> obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook rules 
but there
> is some flexibility). You can pretty much block everything. You need 
to go
> into the Privacy settings (all of the settings really) and go line 
by line

> to get it set up like you want. We have users that have Facebook for no
> other reason that the LUG group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser
> extension F.B. Purity. It works with Facebook to give a TON of 
options on
> what you see and what you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk 
stuff (like

> ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you can
> join the Facebook LUG here: 

Re: [LegacyUG] AFN Numbers

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I used the AFN field for AFN numbers.
but I have not been using them recently.

Note: The Legacy Help file says:

*8.2 Displaying Numbers on Names*

*Add Number to End of All Names*

Select the type of number after names.  If you are displaying numbers 
after the names, you can choose from *RIN*, *User ID*, *AFN* (Ancestral 
File Number), and *FamilySearch ID*.



Pauline


On 2/20/2018 10:21 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

POLL TIME! (Legacy Staff) - The AFN field
I would like to know what you are using the AFN field for. I am compiling
some numbers for the developers so please vote :)

I do not use the AFN field
I use the AFN field for AFN numbers
I use the AFN field for something else


The AFN field is on the Individual's Information screen. It is the first
field in the row...
User ID AFN FamilySearch ID Find a Grave ID


Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
Legacy Family Tree
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com






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Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - not free

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I was reviewing a lot of comments about MyHeritage on the Legacy User 
Group  and ran across the comment Carrie Pillow wrote mentioning "you 
can transfer your raw DNA to MyHeritage for free. You must have an 
account with MyHeritage to do this but you can create a free account 
which allows you to have a tree up to 250 people."


Sorry.  Be wary of anything "free" from MyHeritage.  My husband and I 
first did autosomal testing with 23andMe in about 2013. They also had a 
crude tool for entering family tree history.  I detested the clunky 
format and did not enter much data on it. Later, 23andMe informed us 
they were no longer going to support family tree data, and they had sent 
our DNA and family tree data to MyHeritage.   That was in February of 
2014.  I had previously opened an account on WorldVitalRecords, and in 
February 2014, MyHeritage informed me that WorldVitalRecords had been 
merged with MyHeritage,  so in February 2014, MyHeritage said they had 
given us "a free empty MyHeritage account for one year, which is a gift 
worth $119, for free,  and we would have access to World Vital Records 
and My Heritage both.  The Premium Plus account will not renew 
automatically.  By creating your family tree on our site, you will 
automatically receive your matches for free. "


In February 2015, email from MyHeritage thanked me for purchasing an 
annual bundle of data subscription plus PremiumPlus family site. You 
have been charged US $99.95 ...We have upgraded our existing family site 
Cramer Family Site to PremiumPlus.  I had to request a new password, 
because I had not been using it and had not recorded the password.  The 
next day, they sent another email starting with "An error occurred while 
renewing your MyHeritage Data Subscription.  It was not possible to 
extend your subscription and it expired. " They offered a MyHeritage 
Data subscription that will cots US $71.40 for one year, instead of the 
usual  $119.40.  About two weeks later I requested a new password again 
and tried entering data again, but did not like the user interface.   
Again in Feb 2015,  I requested a new password.  So I remember I put a 
few photos on the tree, but I really did not like the data entry format. 
That was about the last time I remember even looking at the MyHeritage 
website, until I started noticing funny little orange icons turning up 
on my  Legacy Family Tree on my desktop computer.


Apparently my desktop computer was getting messages from MyHeritage 
asking me to verify something someone else had entered on their trees, 
and smart matches found my entries, which I found very annoying, since 
whenever I saw these messages, my mind was always focused on something 
else far away.  I have been a subscriber to Ancestry.com for many years, 
and I have been focusing on AncestryDNA and growing my trees on 
Ancestry.com and on my Legacy Family Tree file,  and looking for my 
1000+ living cousins on AncestryDNA, and how I am connected to them, and 
also on FTDNA and 23andMe.  And I had no interest in working on the old 
trees on MyHeritage.  And I never considered buying DNA analysis from My 
Heritage.  But I noticed people on the Legacy Family Tree user group 
talking about My Heritage DNA testing.


Unfortunately, a few days ago, Februrary 2018, I noticed an email from 
MyHeritage saying I was charged $250.74.  This shocked me because  I 
thought my subscription had expired.  I asked my husband to check 
charges.  He had just paid it that morning.  He also found we had paid 
$238.80 in 2016, etc..  Which was another shocker.  He immediately sent 
an email cancelling the 2018 payment he had just made.  It took a couple 
of years to look at 5 years of paper trail.  We appear to have have 
charged over $750 for something I did not ask for in the first place  
and did not like when I attempted to use it.  I have been using Legacy 
Family Tree for over 15 years, since 2002, but, if Legacy Family Tree is 
now owned by My Heritage, my first impulse is just to give up on genealogy.


Pauline

On 1/12/2018 1:43 AM, Carrie Pillow wrote:



You can transfer your raw DNA to MyHeritage for free. You must have an 
account with MyHeritage to do this but you can create a free account 
which allows you to have a tree up to 250 people.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy User Group Mail List vs Facebook User Group

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Facebook is too distracting for a serious subjects like genealogy and 
Legacy.



On 10/3/2016 6:32 PM, CE WOOD wrote:


Long may it live!!


CE



*From:* LegacyUserGroup  on 
behalf of Mary Young 

*Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 6:16 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy User Group Mail List vs Facebook User 
Group

Not dead yet - still alive and kicking!

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 1:35 AM, Chick Lewis > wrote:


Looks like most of the LUG has moved to Facebook. Oh well, it was
a nice group while it lasted…

All good things must come to an end…






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources not available to upload to FamilySearch

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I also have not been happy with how Family Search sources don't match 
with other LDS systems or other sources.  During the 2002 - 2007 time 
period I spent countless hours researching my Finnish family, ordering 
micro fiche from Salt Lake City, reading hand-written records in birth, 
baptism, confirmation, marriage, and farm records, farm names and 
numbers, etc. and recording sources with LDS microfilm numbers, and 
noting variations in spelling of names; also searching the The 
Genealogical Society of Finland database.  Now, with the emphasis on 
standardization, it appears that new duplicates are being created, and 
I've seen at least one whole family group duplicated due to a variation 
in the spelling of the name of the father.  Very discouraging.


On 4/25/2016 8:43 AM, Anne Lo Forte Willson wrote:

  I've not been very happy with how sources don't match with other system 
sources when either uploading or downloading.  It makes for duplication, but 
yep. Creating sources in both my Legacy file and in FamilySearch Family Tree is 
the only way that makes sense for me right now.



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Re: [LegacyUG] File for comparing DNA

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Cathy,
Autosomal  DNA is not just Y-DNA.  Mothers contribute half the DNA to
the children. So you would not want to remove the spouses.
Pauline

On 3/8/2015 5:31 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
 Hi Nancy,

 You seem to want a list of all blood relatives - is that right?
 If so, set relationships to yourself and then do a search for
 Relationship equal to related.
 Done.
 Tag them, export them to a new file, use the print option in the
 Search list to create a csv file, ...
 I can't imagine charting them.

 There are other ways with focus groups or tagging descendants but in
 the end you still probably want to remove the spouses so you come back
 to needing to refine the group by using the Related option.

 Cathy

 wheat...@hotmail.com wrote:

 How would one make this file for comparing autosomal DNA?

 Gather all the information on all the children and grandchildren for
 all direct ancestors known. This would be more than just an ancestor
 chart since siblings and their children, etc. must be included.

 I couldn't just go back and make descendent charts for all my
 ancestors because of all the duplication.

 There is probably a simple way that I am missing.

 Thanks,

 Nancy



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[LegacyUG] Need for listing AncestryDNA and 23andMe tests on Legacy DNA record screen

[Pauline B. Cramer]

The AncestryDNA autosomal test, as well as 23andMe should be listed on the 
Legacy list of DNA tests.

  Even if there is a problem recording the raw data in Legacy, more and more 
people
  will be using these tests, and we will need to be able to keep track of
  what testing is done.  It is important to be able to keep records of
the fact that an individual was tested, and the details of the testing.

The Legacy DNA record fields for Name of the test, Date of test, Haplogroup, Y 
and mtDNA, check boxes
for private or top secret, and Notes field for the test will still be useful.
In the notes field, one can type specific details, like the name of the
person tested (as listed on the purchase of the test), customer number,
ID numbers of test record,  who paid for the test, how much it cost,
date of purchase, where raw data for the test are located; how the raw
data was analyzed, etc, name of media file, and subsequent results of
having the test, such as matching various cousins, etc.  Some of us are
paying for DNA tests for our immediate family members and also for
various cousins.  We need a way to keep track of DNA records for each
individual in our Legacy database who has been tested, and to make note
of the implications for other individuals.

Pauline





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Re: [LegacyUG] File Name

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Nancy,

You ask, Why do I have it buried behind all that stuff?  I presume you
are referring to the AppData\Local\Temp\Temp1.
I had that problem when first using Legacy 8.00.
I believe the legacy fdb file needs to go Into Documents, not AppData.
Your path is
C:\Users\Nancy\AppData\Local\Temp\Temp1_tmgged080122014-12-13-6.03.58_PM[1].zip\Nancys
Legacy Family Tree.fdb]
My path at the top of the Legacy screen is.
Legacy - [C:\Users\Pauline\Documents\Legacy Family
Tree\Data\Cramer45_2015-01-17_Jan 17 2015_714pm_v8.0.0.439.fdb

Even though it sounds nice to have a simple file name, you really need
to save your file with names and dates, so if you find you have made
mistakes, you can go back to an earlier version of your file.
Pauline

On 1/22/2015 5:31 PM, Nancy Paget wrote:
 I tried to change the my file name to Nancys Legacy Family Tree.
 Something simple and easy to read. This is was shows at the top of my
 program:
 [C:\Users\Nancy\AppData\Local\Temp\Temp1_tmgged080122014-12-13-6.03.58_PM[1].zip\Nancys
 Legacy Family Tree.fdb]
 How do I do to make it look like it should?
 Why do I have it buried behind all that stuff?
 A 2nd Question:
 What do I put in Dropbox in order to use it on my other computer as well?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday - Find A Grave: the World's Largest Cemetery Database by Russ Worthington

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Cheryl,

I have been a contributor to Find A Grave for over seven years, creating
memorials for my family lines, ancestors and their descendants,
requesting transfer of some existing memorials to me for further work,
and otherwise trying to improve the data in FAG, by pointing out
duplicates and other errors that I run across. It is my impression that
the data in FAG is getting better and better as a function of time, as
more and more families are searching and entering data in FAG.

I use Find-A-Grave memorials to provide a simple format in my Legacy
Family Tree General Notes.  I paste the memorial  text at the top of the
General Notes field, where it is readily visible, and other General
Notes are below.  This provides the basic information about the
individual whose grave has been recorded in FAG, and I can easily
compare it with what is in other fields of my Legacy family file.  I
enter the FAG memorial number as part of the FAG Source Detail in my
Legacy db , and also copy the FAG memorial number into the Legacy USER
ID field.  I currently can create a list of over 1400 individuals in my
main Legacy Family file who have FAG as a source.

On FAG memorials that I create and/or maintain, I add a biography based
on data documented in my Legacy family file and also add FAG family
links for graves of parents, spouse, children and siblings as I find them.
For FAG memorials that I do not manage, I suggest edits to the memorial
maintainer and provide additional data as appropriate, as I find it.
Whenever I notice that a FAG memorial has been updated by someone, I
review the changes, make any desirable changes in my Legacy file, and
move the older version of FAG memorial into my Legacy Research Notes.
In my experience, most changes usually are additional family grave
links, which is desirable.
I do revise bios on FAG memorials that I manage, based on new data that
I have found in various sources or based on new insights.   I tend to
put a revision date on those bios.
Considering that most big FAG contributors are working from obituaries,
and they do not cite or keep their sources, and other big FAG
contributors are working from cemetery records or grave marker
transcriptions, we are fortunate to have the photographers photographing
grave markers, as described in the Legacy FAG Webinar,   so we can read
names and dates that may not be the same as data entered by the  FAG
memorial creator.

Pauline


On 9/1/2014 7:04 AM, singhals wrote:
 I've been away for a funeral and just now saw this.

 I'm using F-a-G to as an easily-accessible, independent
 confirmation of facts proven a century ago.  And, of course,
 it gives the source-crazed something to argue with besides me.

 I suspect most of us (yeah, even me) will be more likely to
 blame the citer not the maintainer when the Memorial # cited
 shows something different than what I copied last winter.
 That's not a fight I care to get into.

 Cheryl


 Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Cheryl, After watching the webinar, I have sent several
 updates to maintainers, as well as asked them to transfer
 maintenance to me, so I can see why you see things
 changing--in the case of my ancestors, things are getting
 more accurate or complete.

 I think that as long as you recorded your access date in the
 citation, any mismatch found by a researcher who comes after
 you will be understood. We can only hope  assume (?!) the
 updates are better information.

 Bottom line, though, these are secondary sources--always
 best to find the original if you are trying to prove
 something, publish, etc.

 I have been using F-A-G to claim photo requests for the
 local cemeteries, then walk  take pictures when the weather
 is nice.  Here in Houston that means I haven't done it in
 months, ha!

 I believe there is an option in the search to just see
 what's been updated in the past X days, too. That might help
 you see what's changed for your family's memorials.
 --Paula in Texas

 
 *From:* singhals singh...@erols.com
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2014 12:04 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Register for Webinar Wednesday -
 Find A Grave: the World's Largest Cemetery Database by Russ
 Worthington

 Geoff Rasmussen wrote:
Explore Find-A-Grave, the largest cemetery database in the
world and a must-have tool in your genealogy toolbox. In
Wednesday's webinar, Russ Worthington will share insights
and methodologies into best using the site for family
history research. He will also provide suggestions about
contributing your own photographs.

 I hope he mentions something I tripped across this week :
 revisiting some Memorials at FaG that I had already saved, I
 discovered information missing, added, or changed from my
 previous visit! That means, I'm going to have to through
 several thousand names that have a FaG citation. It is, at
 best, irksome.

 Cheryl-the-grumpy



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Re: [LegacyUG] Index View Back up Prompt

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Jay
To use the digital HELP, it helps to know what key words to type.
Pauline

On 8/22/2014 11:22 PM, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
 Tom,

 Really it is proper to try to use HELP first,  rather than
 cluttering the list mail with simple questions easily handled by HELP

 Click HELP then type in SORT then click on INDEX VIEW






 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:16 PM, hampton2...@dodo.com.au
 mailto:hampton2...@dodo.com.au wrote:

 Hello all,

 ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
 urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office /

 I have two small items someone may be able to help me with.

 1.When in index view, I would like to view people in numerical
 order according to their RIN. Is this possible?

 2.When I log out, Legacy used to ask if I wanted to back up, it
 now does not and I would like this pop up box restored.

 Hope someone can help.

 Thanks,

 Tom

 Email sent using Dodo Webmail


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and FamilySearch

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Geoff,

I have been using the FamilySearch tools in Legacy for about a month.
They are great!  It is wonderful to be able to see what is in
FamilySearch for an individual and family and to see what is in my
Legacy database at the same time and to be able to see what is linked.
Looking forward to the up the update!
Thanks,
Pauline

On 6/19/2014 3:15 PM, Geoff Rasmussen wrote:

 If you are using the FamilySearch tools in Legacy, then this brief
 announcement applies to you. If not, don't worry about it.

 Minutes ago it appears that FamilySearch made some changes that
 affected our FamilySearch tools in Legacy. The effect is that you will
 not be able to see the FamilySearch data that you may have linked to.
 We are working to provide an update to Legacy that will restore this
 functionality. Watch this blog for the announcement of the free
 update. In the meantime, probably don't use the FamilySearch tools in
 Legacy for now.

 Ah...the wonderful world of changing technology


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Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry findagrave

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I worked for an hour or more on Ancestry.com, searching for census
records for a family for 1900, 1910, etc.  I could find records and copy
text about an individual, but I was not able to connect to the image of
census sheets.  This would cause a reset. Then I would have to go back
to the browser and get back into Ancestry.   So after trying several
census years, I decided to quit Ancestry and try again tomorrow.
Pauline

On 6/17/2014 12:35 PM, Brian/Support wrote:
 Ancestry seems to be back but FindaGrave.com is still not available.

 Brian
 Customer Support
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 On 17/06/2014 1:20 PM, David Abernathy wrote:
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Re: [LegacyUG] Fwd: Sources

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I agree with Charles.  On a couple of different sessions, I struggled to
manually add sources/citations/reason/notes to individuals on FS and
finally gave up.  Too much of a hassle.  Maybe I should look for some FS
tutorials before attempting anything else.

On 7/31/2013 2:40 PM, Ch wrote:
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Re: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Brian,

What do you do if you do not have Office 2007 or Office 2010?  How about
if you have Office 2003?

All these messages about all the options and things you have to select
when you install Legacy 8.0 sound like Legacy 8.0 is not as user
friendly as Legacy 7.0 was.

Pauline

On 11/27/2013 10:28 AM, Brian/Support wrote:
 You can find the list of recent files in one of two places, depending on
 the choice you made for the style under the design setting in the upper
 right, For Office 2007 styles the recent files are, as C.G. said, found
 by click the big L. For the Office 2010 style however the recent file
 list is found on the System menu item.

 Sorry, no option to pin favourites to the recent file list though.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 27/11/2013 1206, Randy Clark wrote:
 I think you can see them by clicking the big L in the upper left.

 On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.comwrote:

 A list of recent files would be helpful like you get with MS Office
 applications. Especially useful when you pin favourites ...


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 Kingston ON


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Windows 8

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Elaine,

This is not a Legacy problem; this is a Windows8 problem.  Many people
found that the new Windows 8.0 tiled user interface did not work well
for some of the things they were used to doing with a computer.  Many
users found it hard to find their ways around 8.0

You wrote your message on October 15.  On Thursday, October 17,
Microsoft launched Windows 8.1.  It addresses some of the biggest
problems users had with windows 8.0, which was released a year ago.
You might want to read about the changes in Windows 8.1 (free upgrade
for those using 8.0).

I personally did not upgrade to Windows 8.0, but my husband has Windows
8.0, and he is fine with it.
Good luck!
Pauline

On 10/15/2013 11:29 AM, Elaine L Sanders wrote:
 I am used to using a Mac.  I purchased an HP exclusively for genealogy.  I 
 downloaded the full version of Legacy.  I am having major problems with it 
 however.  Every time I try to add data, the windows screen keeps popping out 
 and getting in the way.  I have found out how to move it (with difficulty) 
 but it happens multiple times adding a single birth event.  It is driving me 
 crazy.  Can anyone help?

 Elaine L Sanders


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Re: [LegacyUG] How much information is too much

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Yes.  Definitely continue.  Do not be discouraged by the current lack of
interest of your daughters or cousins.  Continue adding every scrap of
data you find about family members, near and distant, especially details
that add life to your records.
I have historical sources, such as: The Great Meadow, Farmers and the
Land in Colonial Concord by Brian Donahue (2004) has detailed data about
various Hartwel family members.  Google books brought up fascinating
data about individuals in various professions.

Pauline


On 8/14/2013 4:48 PM, Deanna Weymuth wrote:
 I have been blessed with having much of my ancestry given to me by
 interviews years ago, researching online, at libraries, and talking to
 others. I do not have all the stories I would like to have for my
 direct family and I don't go back to the British Isles.

 As I am doing research often I come across a distant relative, am able
 to add to their tree. I would like your thoughts on should I continue
 to add to this. I am sure of these sources and they date before 1775.

 I also have an agricultural survey, it is of some interest to me and
 is included for someone look up if they wish.

 My daughters are not deeply interested in genealogy nor are my
 cousins. Should I take the time to determine how many sheep, goats,
 land, etc these ancestors had in 1860?

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 Deanna Shields Weymuth



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I live in Seattle 98115 but I  occasionally travel down I-5 to Elma and
Graham.  I have used Legacy for about 10 years and need to clean up
citations and sources and get on with putting together books on family
lines.

Pauline

On 8/11/2012 6:49 PM, Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:
 Thanks for the response Lana. We seem to be equal distant from Olympia, just 
 opposite sides of the city. Shall we see others respond and what develops?

 I am not a new user of Legacy, having had a license since the early 2000s. 
 Now that I am finally retired again, I hope to have some time to clean up 
 my old data files that include sources, citations, places, repositories, etc. 
 from the days of CPM+ and DOS genealogy software.

 Best,

 Denise



 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 3:05 PM
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 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA

 I live in Graham, WA  98338

 Lana
 (hoping this comes through as plain text)


 From: Denise L. Moss-Fritch
 Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:06 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Users Near Olympia, WA


 Are there any Legacy users near Olympia, WA? Since there is no user group 
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Re: [LegacyUG] War casualty

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Constance,

The standard phrase, Tablet of the Missing, used by the American
Battle Monuments Commission, does not convey much information.

I have a first cousin who died 7 September 1944 ;  at sea, The
Philippine Islands, about ten miles north of Sindangan Point,
Mindanao.   He is remembered at the Manila American Cemetery, which
spans 152 acres, and contains 17,206 graves. The Tablets of the Missing,
containing 36,285 names, are inscribed onrectangular limestone piers
within two large semicircular structures on a wide terrace In front of
the chapel.

The Sicily-Rome American Cemetery and Memorial (77 acres), is dedicated
to the fallen, from the campaign of Sicily to the Liberation of Rome.
There is cenotaph honoring the dead, a burial ground with 7,860
headstones, and the names of 3,095 Missing are memorialized on the
interior walls of the chapel.

Pauline Cramer

On 4/26/2012 6:41 AM, Oregon Rain wrote:
 I entered Date of Death: 11 July 1943 (date on his death certificate) and 11 
 Jul 1944 (Navy official declared his dead) in a Death event.  'Cause of 
 Death Killed in Action. In the 'Burial Place' I entered  Buried at Sea off 
 the Southern Coast of Italy. I added a Burial Event showing he also has a'' 
 Tablet of the Missing at Sicily-Rome American Cemetery, Nettuno, Italy.

 Constance


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:01 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] War casualty

 On 2012/04/26 07:55, Tony Rolfe wrote:

 How do you handle someone who was killed in action, has no known grave
 but is remembered officially on a Memorial Wall?

 I'm tempted to use the buried field, but there's no date for the burial
 (since it didn't happen) and although the location is a cemetery, he
 isn't buried there.
 Presumably, the memorial gives a date, however approximate. So that would 
 allow
 you to enter some abbreviated death details. His service record might allow 
 you
 fill in more details. Also, what about creating an Event Type for 
 Memorials
 and then adding a Memorial event? Lets you have notes and a picture.




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Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the to-do list

[Pauline B. Cramer]

  
  
Thank you Michele.  Your examples are extremely helpful.  And you
remind me that I have not used WorldCat since 2009.  
Pauline

On 1/28/2012 9:19 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

  
  

  Here ya go!  I wish I could do screen shots but I will
try 
   
  Here is an actual one where I just heard back from a
courthouse.
   
  CATEGORY – Marriage Certificate
  LOCALITY – Lamar Co, MS Courthouse
  TASK NEEDING TO BE DONE – Obtain Wash and Annie’s
marriage license
  OPEN DATE – 12 Jan 2012
  REMINDER DATE – 12 Feb 2012 (I usually put a month)
  CLOSE DATE: – 27 Jan 2012
   
  TASK DESCRIPTION - 
  Request letter sent 12 Feb 2012.
   
  RESULTS - 
  Lamar County responded back that they don’t have a record
of this marriage.  A new request letter will be sent  to
Marion Co.
   
  REPOSITORY - 
  Lamar County Circuit Court
  403 Main Street
  Purvis, MS 39475
  (601) 794-3470
  www.lamarcounty.com
   
   
   
  Here is one where I found a book I needed on World Cat. 
It happened to be at the Reese Library (Augusta State Univ)
which is near me.  I add these in and then when I ready to
go to the Reese Library I put a filter on so that only the
open Reese Library to-dos will show up and then I can print
a list.
   
   
  CATEGORY – Will
  LOCALITY – Reese Library
  TASK NEEDING TO BE DONE – Look for Elizabeth Lee’s will
abstract
  OPEN DATE – 17 JUL 2011
  REMINDER DATE – 17 AUG 2011
  CLOSED DATE – [I haven’t gone yet!]
   
  TASK DESCRIPTION - 
  Check the book
  Title: Abstracts of the wills of Edgecombe County, North
Carolina, 1733-1856
  Author: Ruth Smith Williams; Margarette Glenn Griffin
  Publisher Rocky Mount, N.C. : J.W. Watson, 1980
   
  NOTE: I just copied and pasted the book info from World
Cat, I didn’t have to type it!  
   
  RESULTS : [I haven’t gone yet]
   
  REPOSITORY: 
  Reese Library (Augusta State University) 
  2500 Walton Way
  Augusta, GA 30904
  (706) 667-4904
  www.aug.edu/~liblsc/Welcome.html
  spc...@aug.edu
   
   
  NOTE: I only have to put in the repository ONCE.  From
then on you can pick it from a drop down list.
   
  Right now I have EIGHT entries for the Reese Library.  I
will print those out before I go.  You can sort/filter your
to-do list many ways.  I also have several to-dos for the
the Richmond County Courthouse.  I can sort by that and then
take the list with me.   The list that prints out has a
place where you can write notes which is very handy.
   
  You can make GENERAL entries or SPECIFIC to an individual
entries.  A general entry might be something like “look for
all Martins in the Augusta City Cemetery” and your
locality/repository would be Find-A-Grave.
   
  A specific one would be looking for James Elexander
Simmons’ death certificate.
   
   
  I hope this helps 
   
  michele
   
   
  

   
  
From: Paula
Ryburn 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] the value of the
  to-do list
  

 
  
  

  Michele, Would you mind too terribly sending us an
example of how you enter one to-do list item?  What you
put into each field?  Then what report you run to take
with you to the library.  That would help me immensely. 
I have started using to-do items, but would definitely
like to make sure I don't show up at a library without
my full list of things to find.  Thanks.
 
  --Paula in Texas
  Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley
  Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine
  Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd
  Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins
  Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein 

[LegacyUG] Legacy Research Guidance for Ancestry World Tree problem

[Pauline B. Cramer]

  I have been using Legacy Family Tree since 2002, but I have never used
Legacy Research Guidance with any success.Today I noticed the
Research Guidance interface seems to have been improved in the current
version of Legacy, so I continued trying to test it to see how it
works.  Searching on my father-in-law, whose records I know well,  it
brought up a menu with 6 linked databases, and I browsed in three of
them before running into a problem when I tried to save.

I was in Legacy Research Guidance, clicked on the Ancestry World Tree
linked database on the menu bar, and a dialog box came up and asked for
a Ancestry.com password, which I was able to provide, and then I
continued searching, but when I decided to try out saving a record, it
wanted to save to a tree on Ancestry.com.  I could not find a way to
save to my  Legacy Family File, which was open, on the desktop PC that I
was using, and through which I had used Legacy Research Guidance to get
to this record.  It would seem reasonable to be able to save to the
Legacy family file that is in use while using Legacy Research Guidance.
Is that not how it is supposed to work?

I hesitate to ask a question about this complicated topic, but, having
never gotten this far with Legacy Research Guidance, I thought there
might be some simple answer that would be well known to those LUG users
who use the Legacy Research Guidance feature, and that I should ask if
there was something simple that I had missed doing.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Test e-mails

[Pauline B. Cramer]

On 7/16/2010 12:00 PM, Dick Nixon wrote:
 Obviously you won't get consensus on this group...but I vote for #3.
 Some people take this LUG way too seriously...I bet they were hall
 monitors in grammar school.  People come and go, have all levels of
 experience, and share the use of Legacy.  So you get an extra email,
 big deal.

 Dick


 Certainly, the third alternative is that I should simply shut up and
 continue to hit delete as I see these messages come through.  If the
 group's consensus is this alternative, then I'll respectfully let the
 matter drop and say no more.




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The last 12 messages from the LegacyUserGroup appeared in my inbox
marked as junk.  That has never happened before.  It seems that all this
testing has gotten the attention of my email handler or service provider
or some such.
I have always been one to simply delete these testing and verification
messages without saying anything, but it has gotten to the level of
being an annoyance for me.
I suggest that people on the FS group do as Ron suggested and ask others
on that list to just look at the Legacy UG archives to see if there is
any activity on the list, if they think they might have missed messages,
and ask for help from Legacy technical support if they are missing messages.

Pauline



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Re: [LegacyUG] Eek! Just joining Ancestry.com - citation nightmare?

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Scott,

I agree.  It is a citation nightmare.  I have subscribed to Ancestry
since 2002 and also used Legacy Family Tree since 2002, long before I
ever heard of Evidence Explained or the Legacy SourceWriter, but, I was
always annoyed at the way  Ancestry.com is put in the first element of
the source citations they provide.  I consider Ancestry.com as a
Repository.   I certainly give credit for their indexing, which is
frequently flawed, but I definitely distinguish between indexes and
digital images.  As you have shown, it is definitely challenging to try
to go from Ancestry.com citations to the Legacy 7 source writer
templates.   I am tending to use the Basic format for citations.

It also seems impossible to go from Legacy source writer template
produced citations and put them in a Family Tree on Ancestry.   Until
recently, I mostly avoided the member trees on Ancestry. Currently I am
building a small family tree on Ancestry, by entering names and dates
that I already have recorded in Legacy for each individuals, and then
within my Ancdestry tree, I click to have Ancestry search for historical
sources, and then save the Ancestry source citation to the individual in
the tree with a click.  My plan is to export the tree from Ancestry and
open it in Legacy and then compare with my original file, to see how
this works.

Pauline

Scott Hall wrote:
 I have finally decided to start my subcription to Ancestry.com, but
 have hit a bit of a barrier out of the gate--my old friend, citations.

 Ancestry is very good at telling you exactly what the citation should
 be, but matching that to Evidence Explained--or the Source Writer
 template--seems a bit tricky at times.  I'm working with the Federal
 census mortality schedules now.

 It appears that the mortality schedules on Ancestry come from a
 variety of NARA microfilms, depending on which state the information
 is coming from.  It appears, unlike the Federal censuses for which
 each year cites a single microfilm reference (e.g. the 1860 census
 refers to M653), the source of the source here changes depending on
 the state.  But I see no Legacy SourceWriter template.

 I also note that the Ancestry.com citation doesn't seem to match
 Mills, or Legacy.  Take the 1860 population schedule.  Legacy,
 modeling Mills, says the citation should look like this:

 1860 U.S. census, Monroe County, New York population schedule; digital
 images, *Ancestry.com* (http://www.ancestry.com); citing National
 Archives and Records Administration microfilm M653.

 But Ancestry says:

 Ancestry.com. *1860 United States Federal Census* [database on-line].
 Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced
 by FamilySearch.  Original data: 1860 U.S. census, population
 schedule. NARA microfilm publication M653, 1,438 rolls. Washington,
 D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.

 Citation junkies who use Ancestry, how do you reconcile this in your
 mind?  Just two different systems?  And, most importantly, how do you
 cite nonpopulation schedules given the absence of a template in
 Legacy?  For example, I'm looking at an image of the 1860 Mortality
 Schedule for Lycoming County, PA.  Ancestry lists:

 Citation #1:
 Ancestry.com. *U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885*
 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc.,
 2010. A portion of this collection was indexed by Ancestry World
 Archives Project contributors.

 Original data citations:
 General:
 United States. *Federal Mortality Census Schedules, 1850-1880
 (formerly in the custody of the Daughters of the American Revolution),
 and Related Indexes, 1850-1880.* T655, 30 rolls. National Archives and
 Records Administration, Washington D.C.

 For PA, it then lists:
 United States. *Non-Population Census Schedules for Pennsylvania,
 1850-1880: Mortality*. M1838, 11 rolls. National Archives and Records
 Administration, Washington D.C.

 The particular record I'm looking at appears to have come from roll
 M1838, so I suppose that is the citation I should use.  I'm not sure
 when the generic U.S. citation would apply?  Perhaps some records are
 from T655 and others from M1838.

 I *think* the right citation (Mills style) is:
 1860 U.S. census, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania mortality schedule;
 digital images, *Ancestry.com* (http://www.ancestry.com); citing
 National Archives and Records Administration microfilm M1838.


 What do you think?  And, again, most importantly how do you cite this
 in Legacy?  Use the census template and overrride it?  Something else?

 Thanks!!


 Scott



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source View does not show ID of person

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Dick,
You wrote: By having multiple people with just a volume and number type
from a birth and death certificate makes this confusing.

Perhaps I have not understood, the entire thread, but, if you are
referring to the Detail Information, Item of Interest field, you can
type, entry for name of individual, Death Certificate..,#.  I like
to type the name of the individual as it appears on the certificate.

Pauline

Dick Davis wrote:

 In working with the Source Writer, I find that the ID of the
 individual is not the first part of the detail in the source view.  Is
 this correct? If so, is this being changed at some point? By having
 multiple people with just a volume and number type from a birth and
 death certificate makes this confusing.

 Has anyone else raised to the list?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Viewing PDF and Word files in Reports

[Pauline B. Cramer]

JLB,
For those of us who are struggling with learning how to get our data out
of Legacy and print something to give our families, this kind of
discussion is essential to our future use of Legacy.

Many people are attempting to do various things that don't work very
well.  Other people are not using the publishing center, etc.  Others
are muddling around with details of sources and citation and photos,
with no real vision of what we might be able to produce with it that
anyone else would want to look at.

The obvious solution is for the Millennia Corp. to provide a better user
manual to explain the output capabilities of Legacy and how to use the
report and publication features.

Pauline

JLB wrote:
 It seems a solution to this problem is outside the scope of Legacy and
 therefore outside the scope of a Legacy discussion group. The linear
 nature of a genealogy database is diametrically opposed to the nature of
 history which is circular and tangential. Try a wiki.
 -
 JL
 JLiki - creating your own genealogy wiki
 http://www.jgen.ws/jliki.html

 On 5/17/2010 11:19 AM, James Sweet wrote:

 This is something I have wrestled with as well.  I have family lore
 stories, military records, and other assorted documents in PDF or Word
 format that I'd like to insert into a book.  Place Holder pages
 are fine, except you can only put them between chapters in the book.
   I'd like the story/document to immediately follow that person's
 information, not at the end of his/her generation's chapter, or worse
 - in an appendix at the end of the book.

 My current method is:  After creating the book in PDF format with
 Legacy, I can place these special pages anywhere with my PDF editing
 program.  The problem with this is my added pages are not covered by
 the Legacy-generated Table of Contents or Index.  My current solution
 for page numbering is to individually number my special pages as a, b,
 c, etc.  E.G., the special pages following page 126 would be 126a,
 126b, 126c, etc.  Finally, I rewrite the Table of Contents to include
 my added pages.  A royal pain in the neck, but doable.  Even more of a
 pain when making custom books for different family members where the
 paging might be a bit different.  Or, if I add a new person or
 information - it's back to square one!

 If anyone has a better or easier method, I'd like to hear it.

 It would be wonderful if Legacy could find a way to insert Place
 Holder pages anywhere within a book.  (FYI - I did submit that idea
 as a suggestion some time ago.)

 Regards,
  Jim S


 On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Connie Sheetsclshee...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 PDF and Word files can be attached and viewed in Legacy (actually, you are 
 viewing them in your PDF reader or Word program; you are just opening them 
 from Legacy).

 The only way I know to print them, however, would be to print them from 
 your PDF program or Word.  While Publishing Center won't print them 
 directly, you can insert a Place Holder where you want the report to be 
 placed in your book.  If your attached file is 3 pages, tell the Place 
 Holder you want 3 pages.

 You won't be able to imbed them in the middle of a page, but they can serve 
 as a nice Appendix.

 If you want the information imbedded in the middle of your data about an 
 individual, best to copy and paste from Word into a Legacy event or note.

 Connie








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Re: [LegacyUG] 3 Bar Button

[Pauline B. Cramer]

Perhaps they should be more specific about the meaning of Unspecified .

Pauline

Lionel Carter wrote:
 Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

 On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:40:49 +, Lionel Carter
 lionelcar...@freezone.co.uk wrote:



 However repeating the process (with different source clipboard data)
 adds a blank event rather than overwriting the 'unspecified event'.


 You are mis-understanding what Unspecified means. It is not an event.
 It is just a place for lazy people (no offense intended) to assign a
 citation if they don't want to get specific. The 2nd citation you added
 is also Unspecified ... the screen just doesn't display it when it is
 identical to the line above. Same thing happens when you assign a 2nd
 citation to any other field.



 I can live with lazy. If it wasn't for lazy people no shortcuts would be
 found. In fact it's the basis of efficiency (provided the required
 outcome is met).
 Ok. I understand what Legacy is doing. it is just that it is in a column
 headed Events - hence I referred to the unspecified event.




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