RE: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-20 Thread Peter Haughton
Hello Cathy

I loved reading about your aunt and the family relations--I distinctly
remember being dressed down by my third cousin's aunt (my second
cousin once removed) for correcting where her grandfather had died.
She had been told where and THAT was the place, despite showing her
his death certificate and a photo of me by his grave 2,800 km away.

Peter

 -Original Message-
 From: Cathy Pinner [mailto:genea...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:42 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 Hi Pat,

 I was just reiterating what others have said.
 If you unlink people/a line because the link is disproved, it helps to
 add a note on your family member from which they've been unlinked so
 that everyone knows that another line was pursued and it was wrong. If
 only you know this, then the note can be private just for your benefit
 unless it's an error that others are likely to make.
 However, if it's an ancestry that is widely known in the family, then
 anyone seeing this part of your work needs to know why you've discarded it.

 There'd be uproar in my family if I contradicted the work my aunt had
 done by removing a line. It's bad enough when I correct a date or place
 despite the fact that I clearly have better sources than were available
 to her. Fortunately for me she concentrated on one branch only and was
 stunned when I took up research seriously in the 1990's and started
 following all lines. How times have changed from the pencil and paper days.

 Cathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-19 Thread Paula Ryburn
Pat,  You might consider making a note on either the child or the parent that 
you just unlinked (or both) describing the situation... and including the 
corresponding RINs.  I've done that in the Research Notes (which you can choose 
not to print), though it sounds like others here on the list prefer to make 
those notes in an Event (which you can choose to make private  not print).  
What I've found is that I forget WHY I decided theirs was not a valid 
relationship, so I need to make those notes right then for my own future 
reference.  

(On the bright side, you don't need to clean up the extra source citations from 
these now unlinked branches for a while...!)
 
--Paula



 From: Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors



Well, it looks as though everyone feels it's best to keep them in and unlink 
them.  I've already done the unlinking so I'll just let them stay there.  
Thanks for your input!

Pat


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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-19 Thread Pat Hickin
Thanks, Paula,

In both cases, these are royal lines and both are disproved by DNA
evidence as well as by more traditional research.  In one case there was
only oral tradition (from my father, his father, etc.) for the descent and
I never had a real link.   In the other case no one ever found any
documentation to support the link  it has been firmly disproved by DNA
testing.

Pat


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 Pat,  You might consider making a note on either the child or the parent
 that you just unlinked (or both) describing the situation... and including
 the corresponding RINs.  I've done that in the Research Notes (which you
 can choose not to print), though it sounds like others here on the list
 prefer to make those notes in an Event (which you can choose to make
 private  not print).  What I've found is that I forget WHY I decided
 theirs was not a valid relationship, so I need to make those notes right
 then for my own future reference.

 (On the bright side, you don't need to clean up the extra source citations
 from these now unlinked branches for a while...!)

 --Paula

   --
  *From:* Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, May 18, 2014 6:37 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 Well, it looks as though everyone feels it's best to keep them in and
 unlink them.  I've already done the unlinking so I'll just let them stay
 there.  Thanks for your input!

 Pat




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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-19 Thread Cathy Pinner
Pat,

If there is an oral tradition for these lines being part of your family
and someone has gone to the trouble to disprove it with DNA, all the
more reason to include a note on your proved ancestor.

Cathy

 Pat Hickin mailto:pph...@gmail.com
 Tuesday, 20 May 2014 4:36 AM
 Thanks, Paula,

 In both cases, these are royal lines and both are disproved by DNA
 evidence as well as by more traditional research.  In one case there
 was only oral tradition (from my father, his father, etc.) for the
 descent and I never had a real link.   In the other case no one ever
 found any documentation to support the link  it has been firmly
 disproved by DNA testing.

 Pat





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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-19 Thread Pat Hickin
Cathy,

I'm not sure what you mean by this:
to include a note *on your **proved ancestor*.  Can you be a bit more
explicit?

Pat


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pat,

 If there is an oral tradition for these lines being part of your family
 and someone has gone to the trouble to disprove it with DNA, all the
 more reason to include a note on your proved ancestor.

 Cathy

  Pat Hickin mailto:pph...@gmail.com
  Tuesday, 20 May 2014 4:36 AM
  Thanks, Paula,
 
  In both cases, these are royal lines and both are disproved by DNA
  evidence as well as by more traditional research.  In one case there
  was only oral tradition (from my father, his father, etc.) for the
  descent and I never had a real link.   In the other case no one ever
  found any documentation to support the link  it has been firmly
  disproved by DNA testing.
 
  Pat
 
 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-19 Thread Cathy Pinner
Hi Pat,

I was just reiterating what others have said.
If you unlink people/a line because the link is disproved, it helps to
add a note on your family member from which they've been unlinked so
that everyone knows that another line was pursued and it was wrong. If
only you know this, then the note can be private just for your benefit
unless it's an error that others are likely to make.
However, if it's an ancestry that is widely known in the family, then
anyone seeing this part of your work needs to know why you've discarded it.

There'd be uproar in my family if I contradicted the work my aunt had
done by removing a line. It's bad enough when I correct a date or place
despite the fact that I clearly have better sources than were available
to her. Fortunately for me she concentrated on one branch only and was
stunned when I took up research seriously in the 1990's and started
following all lines. How times have changed from the pencil and paper days.

Cathy

 Pat Hickin mailto:pph...@gmail.com
 Tuesday, 20 May 2014 11:31 AM
 Cathy,

 I'm not sure what you mean by this:
 to include a note /_on your _/_/proved ancesto/r_.  Can you be a bit
 more explicit?

 Pat





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 Pat Hickin mailto:pph...@gmail.com
 Tuesday, 20 May 2014 4:36 AM
 Thanks, Paula,

 In both cases, these are royal lines and both are disproved by DNA
 evidence as well as by more traditional research.  In one case there
 was only oral tradition (from my father, his father, etc.) for the
 descent and I never had a real link.   In the other case no one ever
 found any documentation to support the link  it has been firmly
 disproved by DNA testing.

 Pat





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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Cathy Pinner
It's fine to use the Name Field for a short easily seen note but I'd be putting 
the note in privacy brackets (double square brackets for those who haven't 
discovered them yet - they can be used in any field) so that it doesn't mess up 
publishing. These people may not be published but you can do this for real 
family members as well when you have trouble remembering which Mary is which.

Cathy

Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls  jay_inga...@pipeline.com wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are no
t limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay
 =
 On 5/17/2014 7:26 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 Pat,

 If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and
 leave them in my file.  If they were in the same location as your
 ancestors then they still might end up being connected in some way.Â

 Â

 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 Â

 *From:*Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 Â

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved. Â I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other L
egacy users handle the matter. Â I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just
 Â unlink them so that they're no longer connected.

 Â

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas. Â Thanks,

 Â

 Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Ron Ferguson
Sorry Cathy, but on this one I do no agree

Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone

Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

It's fine to use the Name Field for a short easily seen note but I'd be 
putting the note in privacy brackets (double square brackets for those who 
haven't discovered them yet - they can be used in any field) so that it 
doesn't mess up publishing. These people may not be published but you can do 
this for real family members as well when you have trouble remembering which 
Mary is which.

Cathy

Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls  jay_inga...@pipeline.com wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are no
t limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay
 =
 On 5/17/2014 7:26 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 Pat,

 If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and
 leave them in my file.  If they were in the same location as your
 ancestors then they still might end up being connected in some way.Â

 Â

 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 Â

 *From:*Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 Â

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved. Â I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other L
egacy users handle the matter. Â I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just
 Â unlink them so that they're no longer connected.

 Â

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas. Â Thanks,

 Â

 Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Ron Ferguson
Sorry Cathy, I can't really agree on this one. I may well make a note in one of 
the notes but not in specific fields.

Wilst I do use privacy brackets, their disadvantage is that you either publish, 
or not, all of them. That is to say you cannot exclude one type but include 
another. In my view this limits their usefulness.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone

Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

It's fine to use the Name Field for a short easily seen note but I'd be 
putting the note in privacy brackets (double square brackets for those who 
haven't discovered them yet - they can be used in any field) so that it 
doesn't mess up publishing. These people may not be published but you can do 
this for real family members as well when you have trouble remembering which 
Mary is which.

Cathy

Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls  jay_inga...@pipeline.com wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are no
t limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay
 =
 On 5/17/2014 7:26 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 Pat,

 If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and
 leave them in my file.  If they were in the same location as your
 ancestors then they still might end up being connected in some way.Â

 Â

 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 Â

 *From:*Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 Â

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved. Â I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other L
egacy users handle the matter. Â I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just
 Â unlink them so that they're no longer connected.

 Â

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas. Â Thanks,

 Â

 Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Cathy Pinner
Not for me. I always exclude everything that is in privacy brackets.
If I want some things sometimes but not others I use an event which I can make 
private when I don't want it.
Now I guess you could choose to include or not include event notes but since I 
haven't entered notes with the thought of not including them, this wouldn't 
work for me as I have years of data entry.

The thing is to be consistent. I'm consistent in never publishing things I put 
in privacy brackets (unless of course for research purposes I want a report of 
some kind for myself).

Ron, you're free to not use them in particular fields so that you can choose to 
include or exclude things in privacy brackets on other grounds. It's just not 
my way of entering data to consider putting things in privacy brackets that I 
may want to publish.

For me, they're too useful to not use in Name Fields.

Cathy

Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Sorry Cathy, I can't really agree on this one. I may well make a note in one 
 of the notes
 but not in specific fields.

 Wilst I do use privacy brackets, their disadvantage is that you either 
 publish, or not, all of them. That is to say you cannot exclude one type but 
 include another. In my view this limits their usefulness.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 Cathy Pinnergenea...@gmail.com  wrote:

 It's fine to use the Name Field for a short easily seen note but I'd be 
 putting the note in privacy brackets (double square brackets for those who 
 haven't discovered them yet - they can be used in any field) so that it 
 doesn't mess up publishing. These people may not be published but you can do 
 this for real family members as well when you have trouble remembering which 
 Mary is which.

 Cathy

 Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.


 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls jay_inga...@pipeline.com  wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are no
 t limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay







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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Ron Ferguson
Just different ways of working - it's no bad thing for users to know the 
options.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone

Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

Not for me. I always exclude everything that is in privacy brackets.
If I want some things sometimes but not others I use an event which I can make 
private when I don't want it.
Now I guess you could choose to include or not include event notes but since I 
haven't entered notes with the thought of not including them, this wouldn't 
work for me as I have years of data entry.

The thing is to be consistent. I'm consistent in never publishing things I put 
in privacy brackets (unless of course for research purposes I want a report of 
some kind for myself).

Ron, you're free to not use them in particular fields so that you can choose 
to include or exclude things in privacy brackets on other grounds. It's just 
not my way of entering data to consider putting things in privacy brackets 
that I may want to publish.

For me, they're too useful to not use in Name Fields.

Cathy

Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Sorry Cathy, I can't really agree on this one. I may well make a note in one 
 of the notes
 but not in specific fields.

 Wilst I do use privacy brackets, their disadvantage is that you either 
 publish, or not, all of them. That is to say you cannot exclude one type but 
 include another. In my view this limits their usefulness.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 Cathy Pinnergenea...@gmail.com  wrote:

 It's fine to use the Name Field for a short easily seen note but I'd be 
 putting the note in privacy brackets (double square brackets for those who 
 haven't discovered them yet - they can be used in any field) so that it 
 doesn't mess up publishing. These people may not be published but you can 
 do this for real family members as well when you have trouble remembering 
 which Mary is which.

 Cathy

 Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.


 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls jay_inga...@pipeline.com  wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are no
 t limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay







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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Pat Hickin
Well, it looks as though everyone feels it's best to keep them in and
unlink them.  I've already done the unlinking so I'll just let them stay
there.  Thanks for your input!

Pat


On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote:

 Just different ways of working - it's no bad thing for users to know the
 options.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone

 Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not for me. I always exclude everything that is in privacy brackets.
 If I want some things sometimes but not others I use an event which I can
 make private when I don't want it.
 Now I guess you could choose to include or not include event notes but
 since I haven't entered notes with the thought of not including them, this
 wouldn't work for me as I have years of data entry.
 
 The thing is to be consistent. I'm consistent in never publishing things
 I put in privacy brackets (unless of course for research purposes I want a
 report of some kind for myself).
 
 Ron, you're free to not use them in particular fields so that you can
 choose to include or exclude things in privacy brackets on other grounds.
 It's just not my way of entering data to consider putting things in privacy
 brackets that I may want to publish.
 
 For me, they're too useful to not use in Name Fields.
 
 Cathy
 
 Ron Ferguson wrote:
  Sorry Cathy, I can't really agree on this one. I may well make a note
 in one of the notes
  but not in specific fields.
 
  Wilst I do use privacy brackets, their disadvantage is that you either
 publish, or not, all of them. That is to say you cannot exclude one type
 but include another. In my view this limits their usefulness.
 
  Ron Ferguson
  http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
  Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone
 
  Cathy Pinnergenea...@gmail.com  wrote:
 
  It's fine to use the Name Field for a short easily seen note but I'd
 be putting the note in privacy brackets (double square brackets for those
 who haven't discovered them yet - they can be used in any field) so that it
 doesn't mess up publishing. These people may not be published but you can
 do this for real family members as well when you have trouble remembering
 which Mary is which.
 
  Cathy
 
  Ron Ferguson wrote:
  Jay,
 
  Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is
 OK.
 
  However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
  change your mind.
 
 
  Ron Ferguson
  http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
  Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone
 
  J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls jay_inga...@pipeline.com  wrote:
 
  Pat,
 
  I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
  direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the
 notes.
 
  I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.
 
  Fortunately, we are no
  t limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
  in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!
 
  Jay
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread J.M. Jay Ingalls
Ron,

Have not done an actual count, but have about 100 with notes in the
given name field, out of about 65,000 people. And very few will be the
ancestors of my descendants. I collect data on all Ingalls of all
spellings in the USA and Canada, warn people when I send them data that
they need to verify everything. I will not live long enough to do the
work for everyone.

The suggestion to put the notes in the given name field in the double
brackets so they will not be published is good and bad. It may look
better, but does not warn the reader that I suspect there is a problem
with the data. I believe function or usability is much more
important than beauty.

Jay
===
On 5/17/2014 8:51 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls  jay_inga...@pipeline.com wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are not limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay
 =
 On 5/17/2014 7:26 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 Pat,

 If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and
 leave them in my file.  If they were in the same location as your
 ancestors then they still might end up being connected in some way.Â

 Â

 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 Â

 *From:*Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 Â

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved. Â I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter. Â I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just
 Â unlink them so that they're no longer connected.

 Â

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas. Â Thanks,

 Â

 Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-18 Thread Cathy Pinner
Hi Jay,

I also have a few of notes in name fields to warn the reader. For example, when 
I think I've found the parents of an ancestor, I add them, make them invisible 
so they're not published and for my use visually on the screen add to the given 
name - guess (meaning best guess rather than wild guess), possibly or probably 
depending on my evidence. When I'm almost sure I remove the invisibility but 
leave the probably to make it very obvious I'm not 100% sure of this link. I 
also, of course, put the reasoning in notes.

I agree that clarity is more important than beauty or keeping to name standards.

Cathy

J.M. Jay Ingalls  wrote:
 Ron,

 Have not done an actual count, but have about 100 with notes in the
 given name field, out of about 65,000 people. And very few will be the
 ancestors of my descendants. I collect data on all Ingalls of all
 spellings in the USA and Canada, warn people when I send them data
 that they need to verify everything. I will not li
ve long enough to do
 the work for everyone.

 The suggestion to put the notes in the given name field in the double
 brackets so they will not be published is good and bad. It may look
 better, but does not warn the reader that I suspect there is a problem
 with the data. I believe function or usability is much more
 important than beauty.

 Jay
 ===
 On 5/17/2014 8:51 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Jay,

 Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

 However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you
 change your mind.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/

 Sent from my Xperiaâ„¢ smartphone

 J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls  jay_inga...@pipeline.com wrote:

 Pat,

 I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
 direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the
 notes.

 I have some I need to work on, Like
John-May be wrong wife, etc.

 Fortunately, we are not limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was
 in the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

 Jay



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RE: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-17 Thread Michele/Support
Pat,

If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and leave them 
in my file.  If they were in the same location as your ancestors then they 
still might end up being connected in some way.



Michele

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From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors



I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and have 
since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and I'm wondering 
how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put them in a separate file 
or leave them where they are and just  unlink them so that they're no longer 
connected.



I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,



Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-17 Thread singhals
Pat Hickin wrote:
 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral
 lines and have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete
 them entirely and I'm wondering how other Legacy users
 handle the matter.  I could put them in a separate file or
 leave them where they are and just  unlink them so that
 they're no longer connected.

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,


You found 'em once, you'll see them again -- probably.  Best
to flag them in the notes or a place field as NOT MINE, put
a note in their NOTE as NOT a child of..., and just unlink
them.  That way, next time you see them you won't waste time
keying them in, and trying to place them.

Been here, done this too. ;)

Cheryl



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-17 Thread J.M. Jay Ingalls
Pat,

I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

Fortunately, we are not limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was in
the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

Jay
=
On 5/17/2014 7:26 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 Pat,

 If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and
 leave them in my file.  If they were in the same location as your
 ancestors then they still might end up being connected in some way.

 Michele

 Technical Support

 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 *From:*Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink
 them so that they're no longer connected.

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,

 Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-17 Thread Ron Ferguson
Jay,

Clearly you do not publish your work, so whatever takes your fancy is OK.

However I would not like the job of sorting it all out should you change your 
mind.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone

J.M. \Jay\ Ingalls  jay_inga...@pipeline.com wrote:

Pat,

I often put a note in the given name field, such as Mary-Not Pat's
direct ancestor. Saves a lot of time, does not require reading the notes.

I have some I need to work on, Like John-May be wrong wife, etc.

Fortunately, we are not limited to 12 characters, or whatever it was in
the first genealogy programs, for the given name field!

Jay
=
On 5/17/2014 7:26 AM, Michele/Support wrote:

 Pat,

 If I have done a lot of work on them I would simply unlink them and
 leave them in my file.  If they were in the same location as your
 ancestors then they still might end up being connected in some way.

 Michele

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 *From:*Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
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 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink
 them so that they're no longer connected.

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,

 Pat



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RE: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-17 Thread William Boswell
I've had the same problem, but I just leave them unlinked because I've never 
found a link.  I'm only keeping them in my file because I have documentation or 
family member word of mouth that they are related so I just hope one day I'll 
find that missing link to connect them.  In the past I have removed some lines, 
but they eventually get lost and if I need to put them back I have to search 
through backups to find them again.  It doesn't hurt just to leave them in your 
file unless you find evidence there is no familial connection.



Bill Boswell



From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 6:51 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors



I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and have 
since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and I'm wondering 
how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put them in a separate file 
or leave them where they are and just  unlink them so that they're no longer 
connected.



I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,



Pat



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[LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Pat Hickin
I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and have
since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and I'm
wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put them in a
separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink them so that
they're no longer connected.

I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,

Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Liz Denis
I just unlink them and leave them sitting there.  I've done quite a bit
of research on some people before I realized I was barking up the wrong
tree.  Maybe someone else can benefit from your work.
On 5/16/2014 3:50 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
 have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and
 I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put
 them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink
 them so that they're no longer connected.

 I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,

 Pat


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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Anne Picketts
Unlink them and leave them where they are. In 6 months time when the names
flash past your eyes again you will be saying to yourself I'm sure I had
that somewhere!:-)
Don't put them in a separate file.


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Liz Denis nehalemm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just unlink them and leave them sitting there.  I've done quite a bit
 of research on some people before I realized I was barking up the wrong
 tree.  Maybe someone else can benefit from your work.
 On 5/16/2014 3:50 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
  I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
  have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and
  I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put
  them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink
  them so that they're no longer connected.
 
  I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,
 
  Pat
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Cathy Pinner
The only other thing I'd do if the line had been thought by others as well to 
belong would be to put a Disproven Line event on the person(s) you're unlinking 
the wrong line from. This event could be made private for some purposes or 
published to let others know not to follow that path.

But certainly leave them unlinked in your file for reference.

Cathy

Anne Picketts wrote:
 Unlink them and leave them where they are. In 6 months time when the
 names flash past your eyes again you will be saying to yourself I'm
 sure I had that somewhere!:-)
 Don't put them in a separate file.


 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Liz Denis nehalemm...@gmail.com
 mailto:nehalemm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just unlink them and leave them sitting there.  I've done quite
 a bit
 of research on some people before I realized I was barking up the
 wrong
 tree.  Maybe someone else can benefit from your work.
 On 5/16/2014 3:50 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:

 I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral
 lines and
  have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and
  I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put
  them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just
  unlink
  them so that they're no longer connected.
 
  I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,
 
  Pat
 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Liz Denis
Or worse you forget that you ever looked at that person in the first
placeage!
On 5/16/2014 4:49 PM, Anne Picketts wrote:
 Unlink them and leave them where they are. In 6 months time when the
 names flash past your eyes again you will be saying to yourself I'm
 sure I had that somewhere!:-)
 Don't put them in a separate file.


 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Liz Denis nehalemm...@gmail.com
 mailto:nehalemm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just unlink them and leave them sitting there.  I've done quite
 a bit
 of research on some people before I realized I was barking up the
 wrong
 tree.  Maybe someone else can benefit from your work.
 On 5/16/2014 3:50 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
  I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral
 lines and
  have since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and
  I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put
  them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just
  unlink
  them so that they're no longer connected.
 
  I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,
 
  Pat
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Jackie King
I disconnect them but leave them for a couple of simple reasons. Either
later I need to know I have already looked at them - or I find out they are
cousins and the information proves valuable but in other ways.


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Liz Denis nehalemm...@gmail.com wrote:

  Or worse you forget that you ever looked at that person in the first
 placeage!
 On 5/16/2014 4:49 PM, Anne Picketts wrote:

  Unlink them and leave them where they are. In 6 months time when the
 names flash past your eyes again you will be saying to yourself I'm sure I
 had that somewhere!:-)
 Don't put them in a separate file.


 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Liz Denis nehalemm...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just unlink them and leave them sitting there. Â I've done quite a bit
 of research on some people before I realized I was barking up the wrong
 tree. Â Maybe someone else can benefit from your work.
  On 5/16/2014 3:50 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
  I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and
  have since been disproved. Â I don't want to delete them entirely and
  I'm wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter. Â I could put
  them in a separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink
  them so that they're no longer connected.
 
  I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas. Â Thanks,
 
  Pat
 
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Disproved ancestors

2014-05-16 Thread Ron Ferguson
Pat,

Some years ago I also hit this problem and in my case decided to leave the 
individuals as a separate tree in my main file.

At the time my main reasons were because the family had the same surname as the 
correct one, and lived in the same area they may prove to be related (still not 
the case), and to show to others via my website that I was aware of a possible 
conflict.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS # 5307


Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:

I've got a couple of what were once thought to be ancestral lines and have
since been disproved.  I don't want to delete them entirely and I'm
wondering how other Legacy users handle the matter.  I could put them in a
separate file or leave them where they are and just  unlink them so that
they're no longer connected.

I'd appreciate your thoughts/ideas.  Thanks,

Pat



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