Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Good question Thomas. After checking "Evidence Explained" (I have the 2007
edition, not the current 3rd edition) looks as though I need to make a few
changes to my own data. I've been added each directory individually even
when the address stays the same. However, the information below suggests a
date span (from ... to...) for a single entry date when the address and city
remain the same.

--

12.56 Directories: Citing Multiple Years

When you need to cite a long run of directories by the same publisher, your
handling of the citation will depend upon whether or not the title and
publisher remain the same through the span of years. If only the years and
page numbers differ, you can create a generic citation.

Source List Entry
Polk, R. L., compiler. Colorado Springs, Colorado, City Directory. Colorado
Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931.

For directories that have the same compiler and publisher across a span of
years, with slight variation in titles, you might use this approach:

Source List Entry
Jones, John Q., compiler. Badlands City Directory, with Listings for
Adjacent Wetlands, Marshlands, and Arid City [varying subtitles].
Badlands: Jones Press, 1924-27.

--

How this applies to the SourceWriter approach would depend I suppose upon
using the reference (12.56) and check the resulting source - citation.

Denise


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Okay now that I open what I thought would be a somewhat thought provoking
question, and not to get sidetracked with reprints, do we still list it as a
image as a book or what in regards to Ancestry??

In addition I didn't see the question in regards to same city but different
years if one needed a different source for each year ?  If not, how to go
about it.

Thanks!
Thomas


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

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Okay now that I open what I thought would be a somewhat thought provoking 
question, and not to get sidetracked with reprints, do we still list it as a 
image as a book or what in regards to Ancestry??

In addition I didn't see the question in regards to same city but different 
years if one needed a different source for each year ?  If not, how to go about 
it.

Thanks!
Thomas

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> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:35 PM, Barton Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Denise,
>  
> Well, Ancestry’s publishing of city directories and other books gives me 
> “reasonable assurance,” as do (say) the US county websites which have their 
> records online, or Google Books, or familysearch, where one can find digital 
> images.   I guess if an individual had published an image on their personal 
> website and that’s the only place it was, or otherwise could not be found, I 
> might balk at citing it, but in general, I’m more interested in how to cite 
> the material than questioning its provenance.  I do try and secure originals 
> of primary sources; secondary sources, I’m not so finicky about, though I try 
> and see them at my library, when I can.
>  
> Barton
>  
>  
>  
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Denise Moss-Fritch
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:07 AM
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
> Legacy
>  
> Barton,
>  
> Not sure the following will provide any clarification. However, the National 
> Genealogical Society publishes a series of recommendations across several 
> topics. The “Guidelines for Use of Computer Technology in Genealogical 
> Research” includes the following item:
>  
> “accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a 
> satisfactory substitute for the original only when there is reasonable 
> assurance that the image accurately reproduces the unaltered original”
>  
> At least the item is something to think about. However, please remember that 
> is the view of only one country’s national genealogical organization.
>  
> Denise
>  
>  
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Barton Lewis
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:43 PM
> To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
> Legacy
>  
> Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.”  I think it’s actually 
> interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source 
> citations.
>  
> ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has 
> been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in 
> the traditional sense of the word.  In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 
> 698), she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories:
> · Audio versions of books issued in print;
> · Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;
> · Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and
> · Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
> form.
> The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd 
> category.  But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE 
> (12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.”  
>  
> I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here.  I 
> would propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and 
> bypassing the reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you 
> lose anything by bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate.
>  
> Barton
>  
>  
>  
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
> Legacy
>  
> What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as 
> shown in the quote I gave.
> 
> And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as 
> they're subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy 
> if they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes 
> extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc.
> 
> I'm not that suspicious.
> 
> Cathy
> 
> Denise 

Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Barton Lewis]

Denise,

 

Well, Ancestry’s publishing of city directories and other books gives me 
“reasonable assurance,” as do (say) the US county websites which have their 
records online, or Google Books, or familysearch, where one can find digital 
images.   I guess if an individual had published an image on their personal 
website and that’s the only place it was, or otherwise could not be found, I 
might balk at citing it, but in general, I’m more interested in how to cite the 
material than questioning its provenance.  I do try and secure originals of 
primary sources; secondary sources, I’m not so finicky about, though I try and 
see them at my library, when I can.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Denise Moss-Fritch
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:07 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Barton,

 

Not sure the following will provide any clarification. However, the National 
Genealogical Society publishes a series of recommendations across several 
topics. The “Guidelines for Use of Computer Technology in Genealogical 
Research” includes the following item:

 

“accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a satisfactory 
substitute for the original only when there is reasonable assurance that the 
image accurately reproduces the unaltered original”

 

At least the item is something to think about. However, please remember that is 
the view of only one country’s national genealogical organization.

 

Denise

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Barton Lewis
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:43 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'  >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.”  I think it’s actually 
interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source 
citations.

 

ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has 
been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in the 
traditional sense of the word.  In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 698), 
she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories:

* Audio versions of books issued in print;

* Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;

* Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and

* Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form.

The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd 
category.  But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE 
(12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.”   

 

I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here.  I would 
propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and bypassing the 
reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you lose anything by 
bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as 
shown in the quote I gave.

And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as they're 
subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy if 
they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes 
extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc.

I'm not that suspicious.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these 
records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online 
as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records 
found online would be secondary not the original.

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group  >
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints 
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online 
but rather on CD or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern 

Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Barton,

 

Not sure the following will provide any clarification. However, the National 
Genealogical Society publishes a series of recommendations across several 
topics. The “Guidelines for Use of Computer Technology in Genealogical 
Research” includes the following item:

 

“accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a satisfactory 
substitute for the original only when there is reasonable assurance that the 
image accurately reproduces the unaltered original”

 

At least the item is something to think about. However, please remember that is 
the view of only one country’s national genealogical organization.

 

Denise

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Barton Lewis
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:43 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.”  I think it’s actually 
interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source 
citations.

 

ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has 
been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in the 
traditional sense of the word.  In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 698), 
she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories:

* Audio versions of books issued in print;

* Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;

* Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and

* Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form.

The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd 
category.  But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE 
(12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.”   

 

I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here.  I would 
propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and bypassing the 
reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you lose anything by 
bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as 
shown in the quote I gave.

And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as they're 
subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy if 
they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes 
extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc.

I'm not that suspicious.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these 
records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online 
as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records 
found online would be secondary not the original.

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group  >
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints 
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online 
but rather on CD or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or
image reprint are better understood today."

Of course her caveats apply.

No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints.

I really don't care a bout exact ordering and commas etc so long as the 
source can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the 
original publication detail.

That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on 
Evidence Explained, provid e.

Cathy

d.mossfri...@comcast.net   
 wrote:


Cathy,

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also
aware
that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or
otherwise)
is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include
both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That
is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the
publisher of
a reprint might / pr obably would differ 

Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Barton Lewis]

Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.”  I think it’s actually 
interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source 
citations.

 

ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has 
been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in the 
traditional sense of the word.  In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 698), 
she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories:

* Audio versions of books issued in print;

* Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online;

* Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and

* Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper 
form.

The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd 
category.  But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE 
(12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.”   

 

I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here.  I would 
propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and bypassing the 
reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you lose anything by 
bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate.

 

Barton

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as 
shown in the quote I gave.

And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as they're 
subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy if 
they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes 
extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc.

I'm not that suspicious.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:




Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these 
records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online 
as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records 
found online would be secondary not the original.

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group  >
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints 
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online 
but rather on CD or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or
image reprint are better understood today."

Of course her caveats apply.

No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints.

I really don't care a bout exact ordering and commas etc so long as the 
source can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the 
original publication detail.

That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on 
Evidence Explained, provid e.

Cathy

d.mossfri...@comcast.net   
 wrote:


Cathy,

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also
aware
that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or
otherwise)
is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include
both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That
is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the
publisher of
a reprint might / pr obably would differ from the publisher of the
original publication.

As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to
use that option.

Thanks for the comments,

Denise




*From: *"Cathy Pinner"  
>
*To: *"Legacy User Group"  
>
*Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directories in Legacy

Denise,

you've give n an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory.
An online version needs a layered source.

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to 

Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Cathy Pinner]

What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term 
as shown in the quote I gave.


And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as 
they're subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but 
easy if they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why 
she makes extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of 
the image etc.


I'm not that suspicious.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these
records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online
as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records
found online would be secondary not the original.

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directories in Legacy

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online
but rather on CD or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or
image reprint are better understood today."

Of course her caveats apply.

No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints.

I really don't care about exact ordering and commas etc so long as the
source can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the
original publication detail.

That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on
Evidence Explained, provid e.

Cathy

d.mossfri...@comcast.net  wrote:


Cathy,

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also
aware
that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or
otherwise)
is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include
both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That
is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the
publisher of
a reprint might / probably would differ from the publisher of the
original publication.

As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to
use that option.

Thanks for the comments,

Denise




*From: *"Cathy Pinner" >
*To: *"Legacy User Group" >
*Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directories in Legacy

Denise,

you've given an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory.
An online version needs a layered source.

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to get that and provides the
necessary fields for the online site and the original.

Do you know that when looking for a template in the SourceWriter you
can enter the section number in the Find box?

I just did this - and it gave the templates I pointed to.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Cathy,

I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City
Directory as a ‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75
Reprints & Revisions in ‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9)

The book does provide a sam ple source list entry for a City Directory
as follows:

Polk, R. L., compiler. Colora do Springs, Colorado, City Directory.
Colorado Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931.

Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City
Directory
is found on the title / legal page of a directory, including the
digital images.

Denise

*From:*LegacyUserGroup
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy
Pinner
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40 PM
*To:* Legacy User Group >
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directo ries in Legacy

Thomas

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that
has
been republished online.
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint
options and then online book for the Medium.
If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with
the original publication date.

C athy

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these records, not 
me. Would that mean you define all records found online as ‘reprints’? Census? 
County record books? If so, than all records found online would be secondary 
not the original.

 

That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree.

 

Denise

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Your choice Denise 

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints or image 
reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online but rather on CD 
or microfilm.
"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or
image reprint are better understood today."

Of course her caveats apply.

No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints.

I really don't care about exact ordering and commas etc so long as the source 
can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the original publication 
detail.

That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on Evidence 
Explained, provid e.

Cathy

d.mossfri...@comcast.net   wrote:




Cathy,

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also aware 
that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or otherwise) 
is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include 
both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That 
is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the publisher of 
a reprint might / probably would differ from the publisher of the 
original publication.

As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to 
use that option.

Thanks for the comments,

Denise




*From: *"Cathy Pinner"  >
*To: *"Legacy User Group"  >
*Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy

Denise,

you've given an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory.
An online version needs a layered source.

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to get that and provides the 
necessary fields for the online site and the original.

Do you know that when looking for a template in the SourceWriter you 
can enter the section number in the Find box?

I just did this - and it gave the templates I pointed to.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Cathy,

I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City
Directory as a ‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75
Reprints & Revisions in ‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9)

The book does provide a sam ple source list entry for a City Directory
as follows:

Polk, R. L., compiler. Colora do Springs, Colorado, City Directory.
Colorado Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931.

Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City
Directory
is found on the title / legal page of a directory, including the
digital images.

Denise

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Thomas

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that
has
been republished online.
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint
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If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with
the original publication date.

C athy

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Cathy Pinner]

Your choice Denise

but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints 
or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online 
but rather on CD or microfilm.

"12.79 Reprints: Image Editions
Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called
facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original
records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or
image reprint are better understood today."

Of course her caveats apply.

No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints.

I really don't care about exact ordering and commas etc so long as the 
source can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the 
original publication detail.


That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on 
Evidence Explained, provide.


Cathy

d.mossfri...@comcast.net wrote:


Cathy,

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also aware
that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or otherwise)
is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include
both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That
is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the publisher of
a reprint might / probably would differ from the publisher of the
original publication.

As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to
use that option.

Thanks for the comments,

Denise




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*Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42:41 PM
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Directories in Legacy

Denise,

you've given an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory.
An online version needs a layered source.

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to get that and provides the
necessary fields for the online site and the original.

Do you know that when looking for a template in the SourceWriter you
can enter the section number in the Find box?

I just did this - and it gave the templates I pointed to.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Cathy,

I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City
Directory as a ‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75
Reprints & Revisions in ‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9)

The book does provide a sample source list entry for a City Directory
as follows:

Polk, R. L., compiler. Colora do Springs, Colorado, City Directory.
Colorado Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931.

Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City
Directory
is found on the title / legal page of a directory, including the
digital images.

Denise

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*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directories in Legacy

Thomas

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that
has
been republished online.
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint
options and then online book for the Medium.
If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with
the original publication date.

C athy

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Denise, Cathy

I will look into that (using the Mills number). I of course was using the 
advanced way of creating sources and detail (sadly cant think of the name 
at the moment...been a long day!).

Since I did type in city directory for the type of templates to be displayed 
and it did show an online image as well as a online database templates.  But 
neither template really worked since it seemed to be missing 
something, definitely in the detail part of it.   And to relate to Mills 
number, I dont recall if the Mills number was displayed next to each 
template shown.  Since if it wasnt , it would have been nice to seen them 
displayed in the search.  I will have to double check that.

In the meantime since it wont be til tomorrow when Ill get on the 
computer, it doesnt sound like one can set a source to use multiple times. 
 Using the Colorado Springs example, if I had a person mention in the same city 
directory from 1929 thru 1931, I would need 3 different sources for each year, 
correct?  I did see 1929 and 1931 in the example above so would that how you 
cover different years but how??  - since each directory is a different 
book/body of work unless it is because the Ancestry database.  Hope I am making 
some sense.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[d . mossfritch]

Cathy, 

Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also aware that a 
digital image of an original book (City Directory or otherwise) is not a 
reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include both the original 
publication date and the date of the reprint. That is standard practice of the 
publishing industry. Even the publisher of a reprint might / probably would 
differ from the publisher of the original publication. 

As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to use that 
option. 

Thanks for the comments, 

Denise 



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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy 

Denise, 

you've given an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory. 
An online version needs a layered source. 

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to get that and provides the necessary 
fields for the online site and the original. 

Do you know that when looking for a template in the SourceWriter you can enter 
the section number in the Find box? 

I just did this - and it gave the templates I pointed to. 

Cathy 

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: 



Cathy, 

I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City 
Directory as a ‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75 
Reprints & Revisions in ‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9) 

The book does provide a sample source list entry for a City Directory 
as follows: 

Polk, R. L., compiler. Colora do Springs, Colorado, City Directory. 
Colorado Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931. 

Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City Directory 
is found on the title / legal page of a directory, including the 
digital images. 

Denise 

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
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Pinner 
*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40 PM 
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*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City 
Directories in Legacy 

Thomas 

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that has 
been republished online. 
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint 
options and then online book for the Medium. 
If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with 
the original publication date. 

C athy 

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Cathy Pinner]

Denise,

you've given an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory.
An online version needs a layered source.

Using the Books Reprint option is a way to get that and provides the 
necessary fields for the online site and the original.


Do you know that when looking for a template in the SourceWriter you can 
enter the section number in the Find box?


I just did this - and it gave the templates I pointed to.

Cathy

Denise Moss-Fritch wrote:


Cathy,

I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City
Directory as a ‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75
Reprints & Revisions in ‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9)

The book does provide a sample source list entry for a City Directory
as follows:

Polk, R. L., compiler. Colorado Springs, Colorado, City Directory.
Colorado Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931.

Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City Directory
is found on the title / legal page of a directory, including the
digital images.

Denise

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*Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City
Directories in Legacy

Thomas

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that has
been republished online.
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint
options and then online book for the Medium.
If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with
the original publication date.

Cathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

Cathy,

 

I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City Directory as a 
‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75 Reprints & Revisions in 
‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9)

 

The book does provide a sample source list entry for a City Directory as 
follows:

 

Polk, R. L., compiler. Colorado Springs, Colorado, City Directory. Colorado 
Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931.

 

Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City Directory is found 
on the title / legal page of a directory, including the digital images.

 

Denise

 

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Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in 
Legacy

 

Thomas

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that has been 
republished online.
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint options and 
then online book for the Medium.
If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with the 
original publication date.

Cathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy

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Thomas

A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that has 
been republished online.
So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint 
options and then online book for the Medium.
If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with 
the original publication date.


Cathy

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Okay, I have tried to set up a  master source for City Directories that I see 
in Ancestry.  But I just can't seem to wrap my head around how to do it 
correctly - just seems there is something missing.  Yes I know the images are 
in a database and such images are from a book.   But also can't believe that 
one will have to create a new master source for each year and location as well.
Please include the how and why you set them up as well as the steps. Since I am 
trying to go for reuseablity on the master source.

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