Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question
Hi Larry, My cousin, Amy Kimball Stoddard, has lived and worked in Denmark for many years and she is also an enthusiastic genealogist. I was also curious about how Denmark divided the country for governing, and I sent your questions along to Amy. I recognize that your research in Denmark may be limited to that one person who was the U.S. Ambassador, but figured you, and possibly others may gain something from Amy's explanation about the history of Danish political boundaries. Here is what Amy replied. On the subject of Danish government: The AMT does not exist anymore. About 5-6 years ago they reformed the map to centralize government. I guess that an AMT could be like a prefecture. Then that includes a whole lot of KOMMUNEs. which might be like a county. Think there are 5 major REGIONs now, down from 13 AMTs. For example, I used to live in Fyns Amt, Middelfart Kommune. Fyn is an island and had its own AMT. Now we are a part of a large REGION SYDDANMARK that links us to the mainland, Jutland. København kan mean quite a few things, depending on what you are searching for and when. Of course, it is our capital. København also was an AMT and also had Københavns Kommune that was at the core and it functioned like an AMT in itself (probably due to the size of the population). Now the whole area is called REGION HOVEDSTADEN (capital) and Bornholm is also part of it. The rest of the island of Sjælland is called REGION SJÆLLAND. If this person needs to find some location/whatever, then just say the word. Additionally Amy supplied links to three separate Wikipedia sites, two of them are in Danish, and the third is in English. I'm including them here not as links, but simply as texual entries. In English - Counties of Denmark at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmarkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmark In Danish - Danmarks regioner at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danmarks_regioner In Danish -Søgeresultater (Search Results) at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciel:S%C3%B8gning/Danmarks_amter_(1970-2006 I hope this is of use to you and others in pursuit of information on Denmark, John Zimmerman Mesa, AZ On 5/3/2012 2:56 PM, Larry Lee wrote: At the Geni.com site, (http://www.geni.com/people/Ruth-Owen/66706122308), I found the following information for Ruth Owen (Bryan) daughter of William Jennings Bryan. From 1933 to 1936 she was U.S. Ambassador to Denmark, appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Her death is listed as: July 26, 1954 in København, Hovedstaden, Danmark. One of my first discoveries outside the US! Now I have a quandary. I put København, Hovedstaden, Danmark for the place of death in the Individuals screen as found at Geni.com. Curiosity got the better of me so in the Geo Location Database I put: City, Exact = Copenhagen County = Blank State/Province = Blank Country, Exact = Denmark and it returns Copenhagen, , Københavns Amt, Denmark. Now I have three questions: 1) What does the Amt in Københavns Amt mean? 2) Even though I use US English, I should still use Danmark, correct? 3) Should I put the English version in the Death Notes? Regards, Larry Lee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question
John, I want to thank you for the information, though this was mostly for Larry. One of my lines came from Denmark. They brought their four children with them to Canada, one my great grandmother. I have been in touch with a researcher who had help translating some records and she gave me her information, but not sources, which she said are in Danish. She seemed reluctant to send me the records in the original language, or maybe no longer has them. I read recently that Denmark kept excellent records that are wonderful for genealogists. Since I have the names she gave me and the dates and locations, I would so much like to find the sources and then try to have them translated.Do you or your cousin know how I could get access to those records online? Or is there a way I could find out where to write to get them? Unfortunately, I would have to write requests in English. Another problem for me is there were no surnames as we know them. I look at the Danish sources on Ancestry and don't know how to connect the dots, even though the researcher who gave me the information has explained the naming system. However I think that she would have added any ancestry.com sources if they were available. She has gone back to our third great grandparents born around 1800. (Four individuals). Are the records more difficult to find further back than that, do you know? I hope you don't mind my interrupting. Anything connected to Denmark catches my attention. I find myself wondering how to find relatives now living in Denmark! Peggy From: hwedhlor hwedh...@cox.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question Hi Larry, My cousin, Amy Kimball Stoddard, has lived and worked in Denmark for many years and she is also an enthusiastic genealogist. I was also curious about how Denmark divided the country for governing, and I sent your questions along to Amy. I recognize that your research in Denmark may be limited to that one person who was the U.S. Ambassador, but figured you, and possibly others may gain something from Amy's explanation about the history of Danish political boundaries. Here is what Amy replied. On the subject of Danish government: The AMT does not exist anymore. About 5-6 years ago they reformed the map to centralize government. I guess that an AMT could be like a prefecture. Then that includes a whole lot of KOMMUNEs. which might be like a county. Think there are 5 major REGIONs now, down from 13 AMTs. For example, I used to live in Fyns Amt, Middelfart Kommune. Fyn is an island and had its own AMT. Now we are a part of a large REGION SYDDANMARK that links us to the mainland, Jutland. København kan mean quite a few things, depending on what you are searching for and when. Of course, it is our capital. København also was an AMT and also had Københavns Kommune that was at the core and it functioned like an AMT in itself (probably due to the size of the population). Now the whole area is called REGION HOVEDSTADEN (capital) and Bornholm is also part of it. The rest of the island of Sjælland is called REGION SJÆLLAND. If this person needs to find some location/whatever, then just say the word. Additionally Amy supplied links to three separate Wikipedia sites, two of them are in Danish, and the third is in English. I'm including them here not as links, but simply as texual entries. In English - Counties of Denmark at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmarkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmark In Danish - Danmarks regioner at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danmarks_regioner In Danish -Søgeresultater (Search Results) at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciel:S%C3%B8gning/Danmarks_amter_(1970-2006 I hope this is of use to you and others in pursuit of information on Denmark, John Zimmerman Mesa, AZ On 5/3/2012 2:56 PM, Larry Lee wrote: At the Geni.com site, (http://www.geni.com/people/Ruth-Owen/66706122308), I found the following information for Ruth Owen (Bryan) daughter of William Jennings Bryan. From 1933 to 1936 she was U.S. Ambassador to Denmark, appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Her death is listed as: July 26, 1954 in København, Hovedstaden, Danmark. One of my first discoveries outside the US! Now I have a quandary. I put København, Hovedstaden, Danmark for the place of death in the Individuals screen as found at Geni.com. Curiosity got the better of me so in the Geo Location Database I put: City, Exact = Copenhagen County = Blank State/Province = Blank Country, Exact = Denmark and it returns Copenhagen, , Københavns Amt, Denmark. Now I have three questions: 1) What does the Amt in Københavns Amt mean? 2) Even though I use US English, I should still use Danmark, correct? 3) Should I put the English version in the Death Notes? Regards, Larry Lee Legacy User Group guidelines: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question
About the non-existant 'sources'. If the information 'implies' records came from the 'parish' records, then double checking that parishes 'films' is not as hard. She may not have had legal access to photocopying equipment at the time, so only transcribed what she had access to, and/or was allowed. Some films are locked until the newest person on the record has met the age rule, others have been split up to be divided into each year. In the most recent records, most are similar in form to US Census Records, in that they have a printed one which the recorder filled in the names/facts. There are examples of these online with both English and Danish versions. Get these first. Good luck From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question John, I want to thank you for the information, though this was mostly for Larry. One of my lines came from Denmark. They brought their four children with them to Canada, one my great grandmother. I have been in touch with a researcher who had help translating some records and she gave me her information, but not sources, which she said are in Danish. She seemed reluctant to send me the records in the original language, or maybe no longer has them. I read recently that Denmark kept excellent records that are wonderful for genealogists. Since I have the names she gave me and the dates and locations, I would so much like to find the sources and then try to have them translated. Do you or your cousin know how I could get access to those records online? Or is there a way I could find out where to write to get them? Unfortunately, I would have to write requests in English. Another problem for me is there were no surnames as we know them. I look at the Danish sources on Ancestry and don't know how to connect the dots, even though the researcher who gave me the information has explained the naming system. However I think that she would have added any ancestry.com sources if they were available. She has gone back to our third great grandparents born around 1800. (Four individuals). Are the records more difficult to find further back than that, do you know? I hope you don't mind my interrupting. Anything connected to Denmark catches my attention. I find myself wondering how to find relatives now living in Denmark! Peggy From: hwedhlor hwedh...@cox.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question Hi Larry, My cousin, Amy Kimball Stoddard, has lived and worked in Denmark for many years and she is also an enthusiastic genealogist. I was also curious about how Denmark divided the country for governing, and I sent your questions along to Amy. I recognize that your research in Denmark may be limited to that one person who was the U.S. Ambassador, but figured you, and possibly others may gain something from Amy's explanation about the history of Danish political boundaries. Here is what Amy replied. On the subject of Danish government: The AMT does not exist anymore. About 5-6 years ago they reformed the map to centralize government. I guess that an AMT could be like a prefecture. Then that includes a whole lot of KOMMUNEs. which might be like a county. Think there are 5 major REGIONs now, down from 13 AMTs. For example, I used to live in Fyns Amt, Middelfart Kommune. Fyn is an island and had its own AMT. Now we are a part of a large REGION SYDDANMARK that links us to the mainland, Jutland. København kan mean quite a few things, depending on what you are searching for and when. Of course, it is our capital. København also was an AMT and also had Københavns Kommune that was at the core and it functioned like an AMT in itself (probably due to the size of the population). Now the whole area is called REGION HOVEDSTADEN (capital) and Bornholm is also part of it. The rest of the island of Sjælland is called REGION SJÆLLAND. If this person needs to find some location/whatever, then just say the word. Additionally Amy supplied links to three separate Wikipedia sites, two of them are in Danish, and the third is in English. I'm including them here not as links, but simply as texual entries. In English - Counties of Denmark at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmarkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Denmark In Danish - Danmarks regioner at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danmarks_regioner In Danish -Søgeresultater (Search Results) at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciel:S%C3%B8gning/Danmarks_amter_(1970-2006 I hope this is of use to you and others in pursuit of information on Denmark, John Zimmerman Mesa, AZ On 5/3/2012 2:56 PM, Larry Lee wrote: At the Geni.com site, (http://www.geni.com/people/Ruth-Owen/66706122308), I found the following information for Ruth Owen (Bryan) daughter
RE: [LegacyUG] Danish Question
This is rapidly getting off topic. I have replied to Peggy privately indicating she consider joining the DENMARK rootsweb list, and more importantly letting her know that images of Danish church records and census records are available online without cost at http://www.sa.dk/ao/ Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2012 10:45 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question About the non-existant 'sources'. If the information 'implies' records came from the 'parish' records, then double checking that parishes 'films' is not as hard. She may not have had legal access to photocopying equipment at the time, so only transcribed what she had access to, and/or was allowed. Some films are locked until the newest person on the record has met the age rule, others have been split up to be divided into each year. In the most recent records, most are similar in form to US Census Records, in that they have a printed one which the recorder filled in the names/facts. There are examples of these online with both English and Danish versions. Get these first. Good luck From: Marg Strong tiny...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question John, I want to thank you for the information, though this was mostly for Larry. One of my lines came from Denmark. They brought their four children with them to Canada, one my great grandmother. I have been in touch with a researcher who had help translating some records and she gave me her information, but not sources, which she said are in Danish. She seemed reluctant to send me the records in the original language, or maybe no longer has them. I read recently that Denmark kept excellent records that are wonderful for genealogists. Since I have the names she gave me and the dates and locations, I would so much like to find the sources and then try to have them translated. Do you or your cousin know how I could get access to those records online? Or is there a way I could find out where to write to get them? Unfortunately, I would have to write requests in English. Another problem for me is there were no surnames as we know them. I look at the Danish sources on Ancestry and don't know how to connect the dots, even though the researcher who gave me the information has explained the naming system. However I think that she would have added any ancestry.com sources if they were available. She has gone back to our third great grandparents born around 1800. (Four individuals). Are the records more difficult to find further back than that, do you know? I hope you don't mind my interrupting. Anything connected to Denmark catches my attention. I find myself wondering how to find relatives now living in Denmark! Peggy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Danish Question
Hi Larry 1)Amt means County. 2)I would use the English, Copenhagen, Denmark 3)No need if you use English in the place name. Wikipedia has this: Københavns Amt (English: Copenhagen County) is a former county (Danish, amt) on the island of Zealand (Sjælland) in eastern Denmark. It covered the municipalities in the metropolitan Copenhagen area, with the exception of Copenhagen and Frederiksberg. Effective January 1, 2007, the county was abolished and merged into Region Hovedstaden (i.e. Copenhagen Capital Region). Historically, there was a parish (Sogn) in a district (Herred) in a county (Amt). Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -Original Message- From: Larry Lee [mailto:ldlee...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 4 May 2012 7:57 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Danish Question At the Geni.com site, (http://www.geni.com/people/Ruth-Owen/66706122308), I found the following information for Ruth Owen (Bryan) daughter of William Jennings Bryan. From 1933 to 1936 she was U.S. Ambassador to Denmark, appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Her death is listed as: July 26, 1954 in København, Hovedstaden, Danmark. One of my first discoveries outside the US! Now I have a quandary. I put København, Hovedstaden, Danmark for the place of death in the Individuals screen as found at Geni.com. Curiosity got the better of me so in the Geo Location Database I put: City, Exact = Copenhagen County = Blank State/Province = Blank Country, Exact = Denmark and it returns Copenhagen, , Københavns Amt, Denmark. Now I have three questions: 1) What does the Amt in Københavns Amt mean? 2) Even though I use US English, I should still use Danmark, correct? 3) Should I put the English version in the Death Notes? Regards, Larry Lee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Danish Question
Amt is county/state concept in Denmark. Most of the Scandinavian Countries have 2 sets of divisions. One is the parish/bishopric and the other is the small government/large government units (secular). Both have created BMD records. I always spell a place like it is called locally, so would keep København, Hovedstaden, Danmark. From: Larry Lee ldlee...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Danish Question At the Geni.com site, (http://www.geni.com/people/Ruth-Owen/66706122308), I found the following information for Ruth Owen (Bryan) daughter of William Jennings Bryan. From 1933 to 1936 she was U.S. Ambassador to Denmark, appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Her death is listed as: July 26, 1954 in København, Hovedstaden, Danmark. One of my first discoveries outside the US! Now I have a quandary. I put København, Hovedstaden, Danmark for the place of death in the Individuals screen as found at Geni.com. Curiosity got the better of me so in the Geo Location Database I put: City, Exact = Copenhagen County = Blank State/Province = Blank Country, Exact = Denmark and it returns Copenhagen, , Københavns Amt, Denmark. Now I have three questions: 1) What does the Amt in Københavns Amt mean? 2) Even though I use US English, I should still use Danmark, correct? 3) Should I put the English version in the Death Notes? Regards, Larry Lee Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
