RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
I have not noticed any problems in Legacy with my use of question marks. Some
of us prefer not to use a bunch of blanks or unknowns, so we include the
spouse's name like "Sally ? (Wife of John Jones)." Again, a matter of personal
preference. However, a sheme with codes would never work for sharing info, you
are right about that. Jerry
Sent from my android device.
-Original Message-
From: Mark Lang
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Howard,
I usually never convey anything negative; so either it's my head cold or the
fact I've just turned 50, I'm afraid I just don't get it. The last part looked
like something from an Einstein manuscript. He I understood - crystal clear -
your explanation left me scratching my head.
As far as placing question marks in the name I consider a no no and do not
subscribe to such a practice. If the name is unknown (any part of it) I leave
it blank - period - if there's nothing there, you know straight off that you
don't have that information.
Secondly, Legacy will balk when it catches a name field with a ? in it. This is
in the standardisation tips.
Kind Regards
Mark Lang
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Cady [mailto:howardc...@q.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 9:52 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
>
> I handle things similarly, but over the years have found a need for
> unique
> identifiers for unknown persons and a guesstimate for their year of
> birth.
> This is the system I use - for what it is worth. As names become known
> their "bbb" identifier can be recycled and so far I have not needed
> more
> than the 18278 unknown individuals available using this three letter
> identification system.
>
>
> CONVENTIONS FOR "UNKNOWN" NAME ENTRY
>
> Unknown First Name: enter "?am" for a male, "?af" for a female, "?au"
> sex
> unknown.
>
> Unknown Last Name: enter "??abbb" where "a" in both "first" and "last"
> names
> is a single capital letter code giving the approximate 33 year span (a
> generation) for the estimated year of birth. The century and codes
> follow:
> YearsCodes YearsCodes
> 1200-1299 A,B,C 1600-1699 M,N,O
> 1300-1399 D,E,F 1700-1799 P,Q,R
> 1400-1499 G,H,I 1800-1899 S,T,U
> 1500-1599 J,K,L 1900-1999 V,W,X
>2000-2067 Y,Z
>
> "bbb" is an entry sequence code that starts with "a" through "z", then
> "aa"
> through "az", "ba" to "bz" etc. An example using a female with unknown
> first name, born about 1750, who is the 54th person with unknown last
> name
> would be entered as "?Qf ??Qbc".
>
> Formula for arriving at date code for b.(birth) to use with unknown
> name is:
> 1. Use b. if known
> 2. Use b. of spouse, or spouse of spouse (other wife etc.)
> 3. Use first m.-25
> 4. Use bp+33 where bp=b. of parent
> 5. For bp use bc-33 where bc=b. of child in next generation
> For bc use bp+33 where bp=b. of parent in previous generation
> 6. Use d.-65
> 8. Use dp-32 where dp=d. of parent
> 9. Use mc-53 where mc=m. of child
> 10. Use 33 years per generation from any known date.
>
> Howard Cady
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
>
>
> Thanks for those samples, David. What I could not quite figure out is
> how you are using the FIRST NAME and LAST NAME fields, from your
> examples, but it gives me the idea of what you are doing. Thanks, --
> Jerry
>
> On 03/17/2012 02:29 PM, David C Abernathy wrote:
> Jerry,
> Here are a few samples. They are from my main database from a different
> program, But, I do the same thing in all of the programs I run. Yes,
> the
> person index has all of these people at the top of the index, as the
> "("
> comes before any of the letters. As you can see there can be many
> different combinations, but they work for me. I use a GEDCOM to go from
> my main database to Legacy and other programs that I have installed.
>
> ? Bowlen (Husband of Isabell Abernathy)
> ? ? (Wife of Charles Madison)
> Jeanette ? (Wife of ? Moore
> Karen ? (Wife of Charles Dunivan)
> Dagmar ? (Mother of Ludwig Alfred Lar
RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Howard,
I usually never convey anything negative; so either it's my head cold or the
fact I've just turned 50, I'm afraid I just don't get it. The last part looked
like something from an Einstein manuscript. He I understood - crystal clear -
your explanation left me scratching my head.
As far as placing question marks in the name I consider a no no and do not
subscribe to such a practice. If the name is unknown (any part of it) I leave
it blank - period - if there's nothing there, you know straight off that you
don't have that information.
Secondly, Legacy will balk when it catches a name field with a ? in it. This is
in the standardisation tips.
Kind Regards
Mark Lang
> -Original Message-
> From: Howard Cady [mailto:howardc...@q.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 9:52 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
>
> I handle things similarly, but over the years have found a need for
> unique
> identifiers for unknown persons and a guesstimate for their year of
> birth.
> This is the system I use - for what it is worth. As names become known
> their "bbb" identifier can be recycled and so far I have not needed
> more
> than the 18278 unknown individuals available using this three letter
> identification system.
>
>
> CONVENTIONS FOR "UNKNOWN" NAME ENTRY
>
> Unknown First Name: enter "?am" for a male, "?af" for a female, "?au"
> sex
> unknown.
>
> Unknown Last Name: enter "??abbb" where "a" in both "first" and "last"
> names
> is a single capital letter code giving the approximate 33 year span (a
> generation) for the estimated year of birth. The century and codes
> follow:
> YearsCodes YearsCodes
> 1200-1299 A,B,C 1600-1699 M,N,O
> 1300-1399 D,E,F 1700-1799 P,Q,R
> 1400-1499 G,H,I 1800-1899 S,T,U
> 1500-1599 J,K,L 1900-1999 V,W,X
>2000-2067 Y,Z
>
> "bbb" is an entry sequence code that starts with "a" through "z", then
> "aa"
> through "az", "ba" to "bz" etc. An example using a female with unknown
> first name, born about 1750, who is the 54th person with unknown last
> name
> would be entered as "?Qf ??Qbc".
>
> Formula for arriving at date code for b.(birth) to use with unknown
> name is:
> 1. Use b. if known
> 2. Use b. of spouse, or spouse of spouse (other wife etc.)
> 3. Use first m.-25
> 4. Use bp+33 where bp=b. of parent
> 5. For bp use bc-33 where bc=b. of child in next generation
> For bc use bp+33 where bp=b. of parent in previous generation
> 6. Use d.-65
> 8. Use dp-32 where dp=d. of parent
> 9. Use mc-53 where mc=m. of child
> 10. Use 33 years per generation from any known date.
>
> Howard Cady
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
>
>
> Thanks for those samples, David. What I could not quite figure out is
> how you are using the FIRST NAME and LAST NAME fields, from your
> examples, but it gives me the idea of what you are doing. Thanks, --
> Jerry
>
> On 03/17/2012 02:29 PM, David C Abernathy wrote:
> Jerry,
> Here are a few samples. They are from my main database from a different
> program, But, I do the same thing in all of the programs I run. Yes,
> the
> person index has all of these people at the top of the index, as the
> "("
> comes before any of the letters. As you can see there can be many
> different combinations, but they work for me. I use a GEDCOM to go from
> my main database to Legacy and other programs that I have installed.
>
> ? Bowlen (Husband of Isabell Abernathy)
> ? ? (Wife of Charles Madison)
> Jeanette ? (Wife of ? Moore
> Karen ? (Wife of Charles Dunivan)
> Dagmar ? (Mother of Ludwig Alfred Larsen)
> Doris ? (Wife of Albert Abernathy)
>
> Thanks,
> David C Abernathy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
I handle things similarly, but over the years have found a need for unique
identifiers for unknown persons and a guesstimate for their year of birth.
This is the system I use - for what it is worth. As names become known
their "bbb" identifier can be recycled and so far I have not needed more
than the 18278 unknown individuals available using this three letter
identification system.
CONVENTIONS FOR "UNKNOWN" NAME ENTRY
Unknown First Name: enter "?am" for a male, "?af" for a female, "?au" sex
unknown.
Unknown Last Name: enter "??abbb" where "a" in both "first" and "last" names
is a single capital letter code giving the approximate 33 year span (a
generation) for the estimated year of birth. The century and codes follow:
YearsCodes YearsCodes
1200-1299 A,B,C 1600-1699 M,N,O
1300-1399 D,E,F 1700-1799 P,Q,R
1400-1499 G,H,I 1800-1899 S,T,U
1500-1599 J,K,L 1900-1999 V,W,X
2000-2067 Y,Z
"bbb" is an entry sequence code that starts with "a" through "z", then "aa"
through "az", "ba" to "bz" etc. An example using a female with unknown
first name, born about 1750, who is the 54th person with unknown last name
would be entered as "?Qf ??Qbc".
Formula for arriving at date code for b.(birth) to use with unknown name is:
1. Use b. if known
2. Use b. of spouse, or spouse of spouse (other wife etc.)
3. Use first m.-25
4. Use bp+33 where bp=b. of parent
5. For bp use bc-33 where bc=b. of child in next generation
For bc use bp+33 where bp=b. of parent in previous generation
6. Use d.-65
8. Use dp-32 where dp=d. of parent
9. Use mc-53 where mc=m. of child
10. Use 33 years per generation from any known date.
Howard Cady
- Original Message -
From: "Jerry"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Thanks for those samples, David. What I could not quite figure out is
how you are using the FIRST NAME and LAST NAME fields, from your
examples, but it gives me the idea of what you are doing. Thanks, --Jerry
On 03/17/2012 02:29 PM, David C Abernathy wrote:
Jerry,
Here are a few samples. They are from my main database from a different
program, But, I do the same thing in all of the programs I run. Yes, the
person index has all of these people at the top of the index, as the "("
comes before any of the letters. As you can see there can be many
different combinations, but they work for me. I use a GEDCOM to go from
my main database to Legacy and other programs that I have installed.
? Bowlen (Husband of Isabell Abernathy)
? ? (Wife of Charles Madison)
Jeanette ? (Wife of ? Moore
Karen ? (Wife of Charles Dunivan)
Dagmar ? (Mother of Ludwig Alfred Larsen)
Doris ? (Wife of Albert Abernathy)
Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Thanks for those samples, David. What I could not quite figure out is
how you are using the FIRST NAME and LAST NAME fields, from your
examples, but it gives me the idea of what you are doing. Thanks, --Jerry
On 03/17/2012 02:29 PM, David C Abernathy wrote:
Jerry,
Here are a few samples. They are from my main database from a different
program, But, I do the same thing in all of the programs I run. Yes, the
person index has all of these people at the top of the index, as the "("
comes before any of the letters. As you can see there can be many
different combinations, but they work for me. I use a GEDCOM to go from
my main database to Legacy and other programs that I have installed.
? Bowlen (Husband of Isabell Abernathy)
? ? (Wife of Charles Madison)
Jeanette ? (Wife of ? Moore
Karen ? (Wife of Charles Dunivan)
Dagmar ? (Mother of Ludwig Alfred Larsen)
Doris ? (Wife of Albert Abernathy)
Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Hi David. I like your use of the ? and I do something very similar.
But would you mind giving me a couple examples of what you place in the
LAST NAME field and what you place in the FIRST NAME FIELD, so I'm sure
of what you are doing? Thanks,
Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
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RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Jerry,
Here are a few samples. They are from my main database from a different
program, But, I do the same thing in all of the programs I run. Yes, the person
index has all of these people at the top of the index, as the "(" comes before
any of the letters. As you can see there can be many different combinations,
but they work for me. I use a GEDCOM to go from my main database to Legacy and
other programs that I have installed.
? Bowlen (Husband of Isabell Abernathy)
? ? (Wife of Charles Madison)
Jeanette ? (Wife of ? Moore
Karen ? (Wife of Charles Dunivan)
Dagmar ? (Mother of Ludwig Alfred Larsen)
Doris ? (Wife of Albert Abernathy)
Thanks,
David C Abernathy
Email disclaimers
This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.
http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com
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-Original Message-
From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Hi David. I like your use of the ? and I do something very similar.
But would you mind giving me a couple examples of what you place in the LAST
NAME field and what you place in the FIRST NAME FIELD, so I'm sure
of what you are doing? Thanks,
Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org
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Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Hi David. I like your use of the ? and I do something very similar. But would you mind giving me a couple examples of what you place in the LAST NAME field and what you place in the FIRST NAME FIELD, so I'm sure of what you are doing? Thanks, Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/15/2012 12:12 PM, David C Abernathy wrote: > I use what info I have about the couple, i.e., "Mary ?" or "? Smith". Then > add in (Wife of John Smith), or (Husband of Jane Doe). YES, I use question > (?) marks instead of "Unknown" > > This helps in finding the person within the database, and tells me that more > research is needed when seeing them listed with the person index of the > program. > > I have NOT had issues with any GEDCOM files in doing this. When I find more > data, all I need to do edit the name. Yes it may look funny within a pedigree > chart and some reports, but the message come across loud and clear. I have > had people comment that they saw that I was missing the information, because > they saw what I had done. The use of some of the other suggest methods, do > not make them stand out, so that others may offer some help. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == > > > -Original Message- > From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:47 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames > > Thanks, Michele, Bob and Jan for thinking about this. My main concern is > unanticipated side effects. Placeholders like Mr. or Firstwife work well for > the original compiler, who has Legacy and external files, but wider > distribution and less capable software must be anticipated. Legacy too might > hiccup on empty fields or "name" duplication - or perhaps work better... > > "Mr." is a good example. In principle it's a quick search key for > placeholders. In practice, it's often important in genealogical analysis to > identify yeoman or gentleman social status, and is particularly useful in > distinguishing a socially prominent line amongst similar entries in parish > registers. For that purpose, the prefix field is ideal and alternate use of > the given name field implies a placeholder. But does that work for other > programs and propagate quietly via gedcoms? Is the trailing period a > possible problem, or later parsing where all name fields are empty? I need > to send a PAF Gedcom from Legacy to my cousin, who may further enter the > branch to LDS and Ancestry trees... > > Also on side effects, I use Mr where it's not known which brother was the > father, as elsewhere in this Pratt line. One side effect is to add a phantom > brother to the older generation. No problem with Legacy, which has ample > opportunity for notes and simple procedures for correction, but I don't want > to seed a phantom into some future database. > > AKAs do seem the best path for the Richord/Richard mess, though Richord is > only a search key for defectively entered records. But again, with both name > fields empty, will AKAs propagate and behave quietly? Pratt-wife has > definite appeal. Similarly, Pratt-child or Pratt-dau seems less likely to > cause trouble than Unknown for the daughters. It's all ugly expedients... > > Thanks again > > kb > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFa
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
As far as I know, you should have no problems with the use of the ? with gedcoms. I use Legacy and transfer information similar to my TNG website and the ? comes across just fine. You can search for every instance of ? in your database and you know where you have missing names. What you might want to do is to download the free version of PAF, since you are concerned how your transfer would come across from Legacy to PAF, and experiment a bit with that. Just a suggestion... Jerry Boor - http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 03/15/2012 09:41 PM, britton...@comcast.net wrote: > > Thanks David, I'd never have thought that Legacy would accept just a question > mark in a field and propagate it into charts and GEDCOMS. That's the best > scheme yet for my private and other Legacy users, but it might not propagate > quietly to programs like PAF and database trees in LDS or Ancestry, which I > can't test. > > kb > > - Original Message - > From: "David C Abernathy" > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:12:26 PM > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames > > I use what info I have about the couple, i.e., "Mary ?" or "? Smith". Then > add in (Wife of John Smith), or (Husband of Jane Doe). YES, I use question > (?) marks instead of "Unknown" > > This helps in finding the person within the database, and tells me that more > research is needed when seeing them listed with the person index of the > program. > > I have NOT had issues with any GEDCOM files in doing this. When I find more > data, all I need to do edit the name. Yes it may look funny within a pedigree > chart and some reports, but the message come across loud and clear. I have > had people comment that they saw that I was missing the information, because > they saw what I had done. The use of some of the other suggest methods, do > not make them stand out, so that others may offer some help. > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Thanks Russ, but what actually happens with export to a GEDCOM? For the usage I quoted, the phantom lies in the direct male line. If Legacy simply deletes the individual, that breaks the continuity of the line. If Legacy just suppresses the content of the name fields, then the line inherits the ghost of a phantom - pointers to no information then further pointers to real entries. Dunno what other programs or databases would make of that. kb - Original Message - From: "R G Strong-genes" To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:36:04 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames kb, For your phantom people you could mark them as private and then when you export to a gedcom they won't transfer unless you include private data in the export. Russ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Thanks David, I'd never have thought that Legacy would accept just a question mark in a field and propagate it into charts and GEDCOMS. That's the best scheme yet for my private and other Legacy users, but it might not propagate quietly to programs like PAF and database trees in LDS or Ancestry, which I can't test. kb - Original Message - From: "David C Abernathy" To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:12:26 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames I use what info I have about the couple, i.e., "Mary ?" or "? Smith". Then add in (Wife of John Smith), or (Husband of Jane Doe). YES, I use question (?) marks instead of "Unknown" This helps in finding the person within the database, and tells me that more research is needed when seeing them listed with the person index of the program. I have NOT had issues with any GEDCOM files in doing this. When I find more data, all I need to do edit the name. Yes it may look funny within a pedigree chart and some reports, but the message come across loud and clear. I have had people comment that they saw that I was missing the information, because they saw what I had done. The use of some of the other suggest methods, do not make them stand out, so that others may offer some help. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
kb, For your phantom people you could mark them as private and then when you export to a gedcom they won't transfer unless you include private data in the export. Russ -Original Message- From: britton...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:46 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames Thanks, Michele, Bob and Jan for thinking about this. My main concern is unanticipated side effects. Placeholders like Mr. or Firstwife work well for the original compiler, who has Legacy and external files, but wider distribution and less capable software must be anticipated. Legacy too might hiccup on empty fields or "name" duplication - or perhaps work better... "Mr." is a good example. In principle it's a quick search key for placeholders. In practice, it's often important in genealogical analysis to identify yeoman or gentleman social status, and is particularly useful in distinguishing a socially prominent line amongst similar entries in parish registers. For that purpose, the prefix field is ideal and alternate use of the given name field implies a placeholder. But does that work for other programs and propagate quietly via gedcoms? Is the trailing period a possible problem, or later parsing where all name fields are empty? I need to send a PAF Gedcom from Legacy to my cousin, who may further enter the branch to LDS and Ancestry trees... Also on side effects, I use Mr where it's not known which brother was the father, as elsewhere in this Pratt line. One side effect is to add a phantom brother to the older generation. No problem with Legacy, which has ample opportunity for notes and simple procedures for correction, but I don't want to seed a phantom into some future database. AKAs do seem the best path for the Richord/Richard mess, though Richord is only a search key for defectively entered records. But again, with both name fields empty, will AKAs propagate and behave quietly? Pratt-wife has definite appeal. Similarly, Pratt-child or Pratt-dau seems less likely to cause trouble than Unknown for the daughters. It's all ugly expedients... Thanks again kb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
I use what info I have about the couple, i.e., "Mary ?" or "? Smith". Then add in (Wife of John Smith), or (Husband of Jane Doe). YES, I use question (?) marks instead of "Unknown" This helps in finding the person within the database, and tells me that more research is needed when seeing them listed with the person index of the program. I have NOT had issues with any GEDCOM files in doing this. When I find more data, all I need to do edit the name. Yes it may look funny within a pedigree chart and some reports, but the message come across loud and clear. I have had people comment that they saw that I was missing the information, because they saw what I had done. The use of some of the other suggest methods, do not make them stand out, so that others may offer some help. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == -Original Message- From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames Thanks, Michele, Bob and Jan for thinking about this. My main concern is unanticipated side effects. Placeholders like Mr. or Firstwife work well for the original compiler, who has Legacy and external files, but wider distribution and less capable software must be anticipated. Legacy too might hiccup on empty fields or "name" duplication - or perhaps work better... "Mr." is a good example. In principle it's a quick search key for placeholders. In practice, it's often important in genealogical analysis to identify yeoman or gentleman social status, and is particularly useful in distinguishing a socially prominent line amongst similar entries in parish registers. For that purpose, the prefix field is ideal and alternate use of the given name field implies a placeholder. But does that work for other programs and propagate quietly via gedcoms? Is the trailing period a possible problem, or later parsing where all name fields are empty? I need to send a PAF Gedcom from Legacy to my cousin, who may further enter the branch to LDS and Ancestry trees... Also on side effects, I use Mr where it's not known which brother was the father, as elsewhere in this Pratt line. One side effect is to add a phantom brother to the older generation. No problem with Legacy, which has ample opportunity for notes and simple procedures for correction, but I don't want to seed a phantom into some future database. AKAs do seem the best path for the Richord/Richard mess, though Richord is only a search key for defectively entered records. But again, with both name fields empty, will AKAs propagate and behave quietly? Pratt-wife has definite appeal. Similarly, Pratt-child or Pratt-dau seems less likely to cause trouble than Unknown for the daughters. It's all ugly expedients... Thanks again kb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Thanks, Michele, Bob and Jan for thinking about this. My main concern is unanticipated side effects. Placeholders like Mr. or Firstwife work well for the original compiler, who has Legacy and external files, but wider distribution and less capable software must be anticipated. Legacy too might hiccup on empty fields or "name" duplication - or perhaps work better... "Mr." is a good example. In principle it's a quick search key for placeholders. In practice, it's often important in genealogical analysis to identify yeoman or gentleman social status, and is particularly useful in distinguishing a socially prominent line amongst similar entries in parish registers. For that purpose, the prefix field is ideal and alternate use of the given name field implies a placeholder. But does that work for other programs and propagate quietly via gedcoms? Is the trailing period a possible problem, or later parsing where all name fields are empty? I need to send a PAF Gedcom from Legacy to my cousin, who may further enter the branch to LDS and Ancestry trees... Also on side effects, I use Mr where it's not known which brother was the father, as elsewhere in this Pratt line. One side effect is to add a phantom brother to the older generation. No problem with Legacy, which has ample opportunity for notes and simple procedures for correction, but I don't want to seed a phantom into some future database. AKAs do seem the best path for the Richord/Richard mess, though Richord is only a search key for defectively entered records. But again, with both name fields empty, will AKAs propagate and behave quietly? Pratt-wife has definite appeal. Similarly, Pratt-child or Pratt-dau seems less likely to cause trouble than Unknown for the daughters. It's all ugly expedients... Thanks again kb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
Hmm! And I thought I had problematic families! Sorry, can't offer any advice though. Cheers Jan -Original Message- From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 02:09 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames One of my lines has a Richard Pratt with a spouse Richord, per IGI and other sources. Her PCC Will gives the true tale. She describes herself as "Richard Pratt, widow", and her daughters by surname, e.g. "my daughter Osmond". A collateral Pratt line was then nationally famous, Lords Chief Justice and becoming the Earls and Marquesses of Camden, so she most probably had pretensions to rural grandeur, styling herself and daughters by spouses surnames. When faced with this about 8 years back, I punted, leaving "Richord" (as placeholder) and the IGI source in Legacy, ignoring the daughters but putting a reference to an external folder with the will copy and discussion. I'm now having to revisit this having recently connected to a cousin needing the whole line, and it's not obvious how to proceed. "Richord" is obviously mistranscribed from Richard, so that needs correction. I have neither given or surname for her. For her daughters, I have no given names, but reasonably reliably their spouse's surnames. For their spouses, I have only their presumed surnames. Any guesses as to the best way of entering this into Legacy, given that my new cousin will probably propagate it into LDS and/or Ancestry? Thanks kb \ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
'Unknown' as a given name tells it like it is ... as does 'Pratt-Wife' if the maiden name is unknown. Bob On 3/14/2012 11:19 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: > I would put Richord Pratt and Richard Pratt in as aAKAs. In her main name > field I would put Mrs. Pratt [Pratt surname, Mrs. in the prefix field]. > This would be one of the rare time that I would put Mrs. Last Name in as a > main name but you have no other way. I am sure you have it all explained in > the notes. I think this is the best you can do for now. > > Michele > > > -Original Message- > From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:09 AM > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames > > One of my lines has a Richard Pratt with a spouse Richord, per IGI and other > sources. Her PCC Will gives the true tale. She describes herself as > "Richard Pratt, widow", and her daughters by surname, e.g. "my daughter > Osmond". A collateral Pratt line was then nationally famous, Lords Chief > Justice and becoming the Earls and Marquesses of Camden, so she most probably > had pretensions to rural grandeur, styling herself and daughters by spouses > surnames. > > When faced with this about 8 years back, I punted, leaving "Richord" (as > placeholder) and the IGI source in Legacy, ignoring the daughters but putting > a reference to an external folder with the will copy and discussion. I'm now > having to revisit this having recently connected to a cousin needing the > whole line, and it's not obvious how to proceed. "Richord" is obviously > mistranscribed from Richard, so that needs correction. I have neither given > or surname for her. For her daughters, I have no given names, but reasonably > reliably their spouse's surnames. For their spouses, I have only their > presumed surnames. Any guesses as to the best way of entering this into > Legacy, given that my new cousin will probably propagate it into LDS and/or > Ancestry? > > Thanks > > kb > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on > our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames
I would put Richord Pratt and Richard Pratt in as aAKAs. In her main name field I would put Mrs. Pratt [Pratt surname, Mrs. in the prefix field]. This would be one of the rare time that I would put Mrs. Last Name in as a main name but you have no other way. I am sure you have it all explained in the notes. I think this is the best you can do for now. Michele -Original Message- From: britton...@comcast.net [mailto:britton...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Persons with only assumed/acquired surnames One of my lines has a Richard Pratt with a spouse Richord, per IGI and other sources. Her PCC Will gives the true tale. She describes herself as "Richard Pratt, widow", and her daughters by surname, e.g. "my daughter Osmond". A collateral Pratt line was then nationally famous, Lords Chief Justice and becoming the Earls and Marquesses of Camden, so she most probably had pretensions to rural grandeur, styling herself and daughters by spouses surnames. When faced with this about 8 years back, I punted, leaving "Richord" (as placeholder) and the IGI source in Legacy, ignoring the daughters but putting a reference to an external folder with the will copy and discussion. I'm now having to revisit this having recently connected to a cousin needing the whole line, and it's not obvious how to proceed. "Richord" is obviously mistranscribed from Richard, so that needs correction. I have neither given or surname for her. For her daughters, I have no given names, but reasonably reliably their spouse's surnames. For their spouses, I have only their presumed surnames. Any guesses as to the best way of entering this into Legacy, given that my new cousin will probably propagate it into LDS and/or Ancestry? Thanks kb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
