Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
I've never heard of this Tiny Tafel. Can you describe the report you want to produce? --Paula From: Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
Paula, In the early days of computerized genealogy a tiny tafel was used to match one family with another. It uses a combination of surnames and Soundex along with some dates to match one family tree to another. See the following Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tafel Bobby From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 7:44 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel I've never heard of this Tiny Tafel. Can you describe the report you want to produce? --Paula From: Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com mailto:sarlesinsi...@gmail.com To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
Oh no – showing my age here … I remember them well, particularly with our old Bulletin Boards when it was so important to save every character as you paid for every second online! That was when we used offline Readers for our prehistoric emails! I guess that means that you're too young! vbg Jane, if you explain exactly what data you want in your report, you'll probably find that Legacy definitely offers options that will meet your needs. I looked for an old TT file but couldn't find one on my system - even in the archives. Found an example on Wikipedia ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tafel Regards ... Susie Z From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 11:44 AM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel I've never heard of this Tiny Tafel. Can you describe the report you want to produce? --Paula From: Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
It is just a list of ancestors that one can use if there are a lot of ancestors and you are checking them against other lists of surnames. A method of providing a compact way of describing a family database so that the information can be scanned visually or by a computer. A Tiny Tafel only lists surnames with Soundex codes, plus the locations and dates of the beginning and end of that surname. First names, births, marriages, deaths, etc. are not included in a tiny tafel. Jane On 12/26/2014 7:44 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote: I've never heard of this Tiny Tafel. Can you describe the report you want to produce? --Paula *From:* Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 20, 2014 12:33 AM *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? Jane S. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
Jane Sarles wrote: I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? I can probably find the instructions or the executable (Given enough incentive and time), but why? IRC, the whole system died between WIN95 and WIN98; which pretty much means, even if one can construct a TT *and* find the main database, the contact info probably isn't valid any longer. I know of several contributors who have died or had to give up genealogy for various health reasons. Moreover, AFAIK, the database new TTs were matched against was never on-line for just anybody to search visually/manually. Steve Hayes used TTs a lot, so maybe he'll disagree with me on Para 2, and if so, I'll be guided by him. I like these two explanations: http://www.genealogyhowto.com/2011/11/tiny-tafel-what-is-it-and-an-example/ QUOTE The form is as follows: Soundex for surname4 characters Space Earliest ancestor birth year (4 numbers – ) Ancestor interest level (1 character (not used in this example) Latest Descendant birth year (4 numbers – ) Descendant interest level (1 character (not used in this example) Surname \Ancestor Birth Place /Descendant Birth place END QUOTE and http://ftp.rootsweb.ancestry.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.ahnentt is a lot more detailed and useful. I used it on several of my unique surnames and never found anyone researching MY branches -- there was always at least one awkwardly placed generation gap between what I had and what they had. (As in, my earliest ancestor on LineX is 1754; their latest was 1678; or my latest was Maryland and their earliest was Germany.) FWIW, and no I don't happen to have GED2TT on my HD. ;) Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
You are probably right, and I know they seem to be out of favor, but it does seem a helpful thing to have an alphabetical list of surnames with dates and locations appended. Such as when I see a list of surnames that someone has that I may want to check against my own. Thank you for the instructions. Jane On 12/20/2014 10:29 AM, singhals wrote: Jane Sarles wrote: I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? I can probably find the instructions or the executable (Given enough incentive and time), but why? IRC, the whole system died between WIN95 and WIN98; which pretty much means, even if one can construct a TT *and* find the main database, the contact info probably isn't valid any longer. I know of several contributors who have died or had to give up genealogy for various health reasons. Moreover, AFAIK, the database new TTs were matched against was never on-line for just anybody to search visually/manually. Steve Hayes used TTs a lot, so maybe he'll disagree with me on Para 2, and if so, I'll be guided by him. I like these two explanations: http://www.genealogyhowto.com/2011/11/tiny-tafel-what-is-it-and-an-example/ QUOTE The form is as follows: Soundex for surname4 characters Space Earliest ancestor birth year (4 numbers – ) Ancestor interest level (1 character (not used in this example) Latest Descendant birth year (4 numbers – ) Descendant interest level (1 character (not used in this example) Surname \Ancestor Birth Place /Descendant Birth place END QUOTE and http://ftp.rootsweb.ancestry.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.ahnentt is a lot more detailed and useful. I used it on several of my unique surnames and never found anyone researching MY branches -- there was always at least one awkwardly placed generation gap between what I had and what they had. (As in, my earliest ancestor on LineX is 1754; their latest was 1678; or my latest was Maryland and their earliest was Germany.) FWIW, and no I don't happen to have GED2TT on my HD. ;) Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
The closest would be an Ancestor Book Report. We do have a suggestion on the list for the option to change the generation numbering on the Ancestor chart in Legacy to Ahnentafel numbers or other numbers. I haven't seen TinyTafel used for years. I remember when they were all the rage. There used to be a free utility for generating them but I don't think that's even around anymore. Note the article that Cheryl linked to - great article, BTW - was written in 2011 Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know (and that probably isn't too far) it is not possible to do an ahnentafel in Legacy. I have requested that report, but it never happens. Perhaps I am wrong? I often am. Jane snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
TTs just suddenly vanished -- I heard three different stories. I never got anything useful from TTs so I didn't miss 'em. (shrug) I thought they went away ca Win98/Vista, which was well bef 2011 ... Cheryl Sherry/Support wrote: The closest would be an Ancestor Book Report. We do have a suggestion on the list for the option to change the generation numbering on the Ancestor chart in Legacy to Ahnentafel numbers or other numbers. I haven't seen TinyTafel used for years. I remember when they were all the rage. There used to be a free utility for generating them but I don't think that's even around anymore. Note the article that Cheryl linked to - great article, BTW - was written in 2011 Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jane Sarlessarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know (and that probably isn't too far) it is not possible to do an ahnentafel in Legacy. I have requested that report, but it never happens. Perhaps I am wrong? I often am. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
Yes, such a list would be helpful, in some cases. In others, not-so-much. It was simply too broad when done to spec and too large when done so it was useful to the originator. If I find the program, you want a copy? Cheryl Jane Sarles wrote: You are probably right, and I know they seem to be out of favor, but it does seem a helpful thing to have an alphabetical list of surnames with dates and locations appended. Such as when I see a list of surnames that someone has that I may want to check against my own. Thank you for the instructions. Jane On 12/20/2014 10:29 AM, singhals wrote: Jane Sarles wrote: I did a search of Help for Tiny Tafel, but found nothing. I suppose a report might be constructable to do one, but I am not sure how to go about it. Ideas? I can probably find the instructions or the executable (Given enough incentive and time), but why? IRC, the whole system died between WIN95 and WIN98; which pretty much means, even if one can construct a TT *and* find the main database, the contact info probably isn't valid any longer. I know of several contributors who have died or had to give up genealogy for various health reasons. Moreover, AFAIK, the database new TTs were matched against was never on-line for just anybody to search visually/manually. Steve Hayes used TTs a lot, so maybe he'll disagree with me on Para 2, and if so, I'll be guided by him. I like these two explanations: http://www.genealogyhowto.com/2011/11/tiny-tafel-what-is-it-and-an-example/ QUOTE The form is as follows: Soundex for surname4 characters Space Earliest ancestor birth year (4 numbers – ) Ancestor interest level (1 character (not used in this example) Latest Descendant birth year (4 numbers – ) Descendant interest level (1 character (not used in this example) Surname \Ancestor Birth Place /Descendant Birth place END QUOTE and http://ftp.rootsweb.ancestry.com/pub/roots-l/genealog/genealog.ahnentt is a lot more detailed and useful. I used it on several of my unique surnames and never found anyone researching MY branches -- there was always at least one awkwardly placed generation gap between what I had and what they had. (As in, my earliest ancestor on LineX is 1754; their latest was 1678; or my latest was Maryland and their earliest was Germany.) FWIW, and no I don't happen to have GED2TT on my HD. ;) Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tiny tafel
Cheryl, OK, thanks anyhow. No big deal; I just thought it might be handy. I can get pretty close with the farthest back ancestor and choosing the column options. Jane On 12/20/2014 1:12 PM, singhals wrote: TTs just suddenly vanished -- I heard three different stories. I never got anything useful from TTs so I didn't miss 'em. (shrug) I thought they went away ca Win98/Vista, which was well bef 2011 ... Cheryl Sherry/Support wrote: The closest would be an Ancestor Book Report. We do have a suggestion on the list for the option to change the generation numbering on the Ancestor chart in Legacy to Ahnentafel numbers or other numbers. I haven't seen TinyTafel used for years. I remember when they were all the rage. There used to be a free utility for generating them but I don't think that's even around anymore. Note the article that Cheryl linked to - great article, BTW - was written in 2011 Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jane Sarlessarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know (and that probably isn't too far) it is not possible to do an ahnentafel in Legacy. I have requested that report, but it never happens. Perhaps I am wrong? I often am. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
