Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Paul, To get back to the basic question... A workaround for this one issue would be to produce RTF/Word documents and remove the duplicated events for the first generation in each report. I doubt a request to add that particular functionality would bubble to the top of an enhancement queue, surely not within your timeframe (given that v8 still has not been released). What other things are giving you problems, making the ancestor book report less than half decent ? There are many folks on this list with more experience in using the Publishing Center than I have. Perhaps they could answer other specific questions you have. --Paula From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events Hi, I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book reports may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have. I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the publishing centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts uncles. As such I thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad, the other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all. The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to select Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well. Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again see all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the same content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far I've not found it? I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to my family. regards Paul Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Amen, again. Thanks, Ron, for articulating. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events Paul, Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one. In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer. As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The rest is a bonus. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
I think the one issue about printing events differently for the first generation in one report because of how you want to produce two separate reports does not warrant anger. Legacy is still the best. That is, none are perfect. Further, I know the Legacy folks want to hear about both bugs and suggested new features (and anything in between). --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Amen! Thanks for articulating my thoughts, Mike. I'm a software developer, too. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Oops, sorry, Paul. I had not heard that phrase before admit to jumping in to defending Legacy, as though it were my own child. Questions are never unreasonable. Your posts felt more like judgments. --Paula (aka mama bear) From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum! Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry, just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's a common enough phrase. I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy. If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will probably unsubscribe. I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect criticism. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: Paul, You keep saying that you are using the program in anger. If Legacy or any program is causing you anger, then don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to use a program in anger. You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write your own program that will not cause any anger for you. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Paul, You keep saying that you are using the program in anger. If Legacy or any program is causing you anger, then don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to use a program in anger. You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write your own program that will not cause any anger for you. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Paul, Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one. In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer. As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The rest is a bonus. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum! Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry, just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's a common enough phrase. I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy. If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will probably unsubscribe. I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect criticism. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote: Paul, You keep saying that you are using the program in anger. If Legacy or any program is causing you anger, then don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to use a program in anger. You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write your own program that will not cause any anger for you. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
You are not alone in your frustrations. While legacy is good at data entry, you are not the first, nor will you be the last, in voicing frustrations over the inability to get your own data back out of it. The archives are full of workarounds to address these issues too - locations vs addresses, single pics per event, no BMD pics, and so on. I'm surprised there isn't plugin packages available for reports, web page generation and even GEDCOM like there is for charts. I suppose the definition of 'basic' is somewhat subjective, but at a minimum you should be able to get on individual, ancestor or descendant reports all the facts, all the pictures, all the addresses (and the rest of the other hostage data issues that go around these threads re: reports) on all the people included in the report (print option flags to turn on or off would be fine). Likewise, well formed source writer citations in GEDCOMs (save the 'can't reimport' comebacks, that's a horrible way to share data between Legacy DBs and is irrelevant to the need of well formed GEDCOM exports). It would be much, much, much better to get a report with all my data included and let me whittle it down than only getting partial data back and trying to determine what was NOT included and manually adding it in. This is a fair criticism and only a request for complete basic vs partial basic. Finally, you are not the first to note the hostile tone that comes through in this group. I've been around a while and still find it very odd! If you don't let it get to you, and look past it, the group really is quite helpful. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum! Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry, just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's a common enough phrase. I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy. If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will probably unsubscribe. I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect criticism. -- James Cook GED Utils, Ancestry Utils http://loosestacks.blogspot.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Hi Paul, You said 'use in anger' is a common enough phrase. FYI - I am a 66 year old American if that makes a difference and I had never heard this phrase used in this manner so I Googled it here http://www.englishforums.com/English/SourceExpressionAnger/jkkzb/post.htm Now I understand what you were saying. I too read this as you were using Legacy with disdain. Remember these User Group lists are international and not everyone understands all the phraseology in every post.. Rarely do the majority of people on this list criticize others. I have received more support from this list than any other I have used. Give it a chance and I think you will agree. Larry Lee On Nov 20, 2013 6:24 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: What's this, pick on a new user and new member to the forum! Ron, when I said 'use in anger' was wasn't referring to me being angry, just the fact I'm trying to use the program to its fullest capability. It's a common enough phrase. I e-mailed my problem to the forum hoping to find other people who've encountered similar issues with book reports and perhaps receive practical and useful advice. Instead it seems some people have nothing better to do other than criticise and what I say and my experience so far with Legacy. If this is the purpose of the forum then I'm very disappointed and will probably unsubscribe. I didn't think my question was unreasonable and I certainly didn't expect criticism. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.netwrote: Paul, You keep saying that you are using the program in anger. If Legacy or any program is causing you anger, then don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to use a program in anger. You claim to be a programmer, maybe you can write your own program that will not cause any anger for you. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regards Paul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
But not all reports can be generated in RTF!! CE Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:57:22 + Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Paul, Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one. In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer. As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The rest is a bonus. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regardsPaul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Of course, not all reports, especially charts, are suitable for wordprocessing, so not much point with them. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ CE WOOD wood...@msn.com wrote: But not all reports can be generated in RTF!! CE Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:57:22 + Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Paul, Legacy is a relational database and uses Access. What it emphatically is not is a wordprocessor, nor in my view should it ever contain one. In the same way as it creates basic websites it creates basic reports. Using other software Legacy generated webpages can be changed. Save reports as rtf files and they can be amended in WORD or OO.org Writer. As a programmer you should know that programs are designed to fulfill specific functions, in the case of Legacy to store data and enable its retrieval. The rest is a bonus. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Mike, We use doxygen for producing some pretty decent looking manuals for our software products. I agree its not the easiest to use, and can be a bit quirky at times but in the end it works and it means every time a change is made to the software the manual reflects this change provided the developers follow a simple set of rules. In this way the manual is always up to date and matches the software. In the case of family research, its all very well collecting lots of facts and spending lots of money in researching ancestors, storing it away in some database, but until you publish this information in some way, either on the internet or in a book, then no one else in your family is aware of the extend and wealth of knowledge you've discovered and there-in lies the crux of family history. I've only used 2 family history packages in anger. Generations which is no more and Legacy. I bought Legacy because of the reviews which indicated it was the best of all of them at producing reports, but the issues I have found by trying to use it in anger has left me wondering that if this is the best, then there's a heck of long way to go. Based on my recent experiences I think I'll submit some of the issues encountered to the Legacy developers. regardsPaul On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Hi Paul, Here is my solution, I select the person I want to create the report about, then select a descendants narrative report, create the PDF and save it to a folder. Next I open the PDF, then copy and paste the contents into a WORD document. This way I have the ‘bones’ of the story, and can add in pictures, newspaper clippings, certificates, etc, plus change the stilted wording. The descendants narrative report covers all children, so does not focus on any one child. Give it a try and see if this will suit your needs. Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Carolyn, I'm wondering why you create PDF and then copy/paste into Word, rather than creating rich text format and opening with Word...? I just quickly created a RTF file, and it even shows you where to insert which pictures. I didn't look any further at it--maybe there are bugs, but I thought I'd ask. Thx. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Carolyn carog...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events Hi Paul, Here is my solution, I select the person I want to create the report about, then select a descendants narrative report, create the PDF and save it to a folder. Next I open the PDF, then copy and paste the contents into a WORD document. This way I have the ‘bones’ of the story, and can add in pictures, newspaper clippings, certificates, etc, plus change the stilted wording. The descendants narrative report covers all children, so does not focus on any one child. Give it a try and see if this will suit your needs. Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Paul, I see your point. It might make more sense to have it be two tick marks: Show Individual Events and Show Spouse Events... followed by the Show Marriage Events. Of course, that would have to apply to all individuals and their spouses in each generation of the report (programmatically logical), whereas what you're wanting is to just drop them on the first generation spouse, right? Perhaps Carolyn's suggestion is a better way to go. You could then delete the first generation spouse's events. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams From: Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events Hi, I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book reports may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have. I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the publishing centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts uncles. As such I thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad, the other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all. The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to select Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well. Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again see all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the same content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far I've not found it? I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to my family. regards Paul Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Hi, Thanks for the advise so far. Paula, you're spot on in that I only want to disable spouse events for the 1st generation. When I moved to Legacy a few years back the reviews suggested this was one of the best packages for report generation and book publishing, however now I'm trying to use it in anger I have to say I'm quite disappointed at its capability and limitations such as this. I've so far encountered numerous issues such as only one picture per event can be displayed or no pictures are displayed for marriages, but bit by bit I'm trying to find workarounds and at the moment this ones stumping me. I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. regards Paul On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Paul, I see your point. It might make more sense to have it be two tick marks: Show Individual Events and Show Spouse Events... followed by the Show Marriage Events. Of course, that would have to apply to all individuals and their spouses in each generation of the report (programmatically logical), whereas what you're wanting is to just drop them on the first generation spouse, right? Perhaps Carolyn's suggestion is a better way to go. You could then delete the first generation spouse's events. --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams -- *From:* Paul Richardson pl.richards...@googlemail.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:30 PM *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events Hi, I'm wondering if anyone with any experience of producing ancestor book reports may be able to offer some advise with a problem I have. I'm tying to put together an Ancestor book report through the publishing centre in Legacy 7.5 to give to my parents, aunts uncles. As such I thought of producing 2 ancestor report books, one based on my grandad, the other based on my grandmother, that way the report is not based on any one child (such as my dad) and is applicable to all. The trouble is, when I produce my grandad's report, in order to see his numerous life events and photos that I've attached to them, I've had to select Events for husband and wife in the Options for Ancestor Books window, but this also displays all my grand mother's life events as well. Then when I produce my grandmother's report, again I have a similar situation where as well as seeing all her life events which I want, I again see all my grandad's life events as well. It looks a bit poor repeating the same content so I was wondering if there's a way round this because so far I've not found it? I've got to admit I'm finding it quite a challenge trying to get a half decent looking book produced from Legacy about my family history to give to my family. regards Paul Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
Probably because I am used to using the PDF option, will take a look at RTF and see how I like it. Thanks for the tip Paula. Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestor book report - spouse events
On 2013/11/20 03:14, Paul Richardson wrote: I'm not keen on generating pdfs or rtfs and then re-editing docs. after all what's the point of the publishing center if thats what you have to resort to. I also work as a software engineer and I'm used to using tools that generate manuals from basic text and information in the code, so if we can do this for the software industry I'd have though it could have been done in Legacy as well. For the price, what you get with Legacy is cheap. If you want something a bit more professional-looking, the solution is going to cost you money that you could probably better spend on more research. As for your throw-away comment concerning tools within software for generating documentation... I'm also a developer and the general-purpose tools built-in to development software are in my opinion, largely, a piece of crap! There is nothing that couldn't be improved with the judicious use of a good Technical Writer. Same goes for Legacy. If you want something that looks good, you have to do some extra work to achieve it. Legacy is never going to write your books for you. All it can do is lift the basic information out of the database in a semi-presentable form that can be further manipulated. After all, the main raison-d'etre for Legacy is the database and the recording of facts discovered through research. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
