RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread C.G. Ouimet
And I was annoyed that they had my phone number ... I don't know where they
got it.

Yes they did call and I said no thanks ...


C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON


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From: Syble Glasscock [mailto:syble_...@yahoo.com]
Sent: March 24, 2011 08:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records


I'm VERY disappointed that Legacy is now officially  associated with World
Vital Records, according to their recent newsletter, and offer signed by
Ken, Dave and Geoff.

In that column World Vital Records.com boast of the world's largest map and
tombstone photo collections, which is actually findagrave.com.   findagrave
has MANY faithful followers and volunteers of which I am a part.   We have
put in many hours to a website that stated our information would not be
sold, but it apparently has been.  If you search a name in World Vital
records, your work that you voluntarily added to findagrave.com can now
appear as theirs that people have to PAY to see.   So how about the REAL
truth from World Vital Records, apparently they just have some real good
sales people.

I have a paid subscription to World Vital Records, I received several phone
calls, and numerous emails trying to get me to renew my subscription early,
it became  VERY annoying.  I finally informed the last caller, that I had no
intention of renewing, and just what I thought of World Vital Records and to
STOP calling me.  I had searched numerous times and and found nothing of
value.

Legacy's association with family search.org which also uses information from
MANY volunteers, but family search is still a FREE web site and a good one
at that.  Most of us have searched it at some point in our hunt for our
ancestors and it does a good service to the genealogy community.

So what's going on with Legacy, is the interest still genealogy software?

Syble Glasscock




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread David C Abernathy
I to have received these calls, I told them the same, I did NOT want to hear 
from them again. They got upset when I told them that most of their links were 
from FREE sites.



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From: C.G. Ouimet [mailto:couim...@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:30 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records



And I was annoyed that they had my phone number ... I don't know where they got 
it.



Yes they did call and I said no thanks ...





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON





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From: Syble Glasscock [mailto:syble_...@yahoo.com]
Sent: March 24, 2011 08:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records


I'm VERY disappointed that Legacy is now officially  associated with World 
Vital Records, according to their recent newsletter, and offer signed by Ken, 
Dave and Geoff.

In that column World Vital Records.com boast of the world's largest map and 
tombstone photo collections, which is actually findagrave.com.   findagrave has 
MANY faithful followers and volunteers of which I am a part.   We have put in 
many hours to a website that stated our information would not be sold, but it 
apparently has been.  If you search a name in World Vital records, your work 
that you voluntarily added to findagrave.com can now appear as theirs that 
people have to PAY to see.   So how about the REAL truth from World Vital 
Records, apparently they just have some real good sales people.

I have a paid subscription to World Vital Records, I received several phone 
calls, and numerous emails trying to get me to renew my subscription early, it 
became  VERY annoying.  I finally informed the last caller, that I had no 
intention of renewing, and just what I thought of World Vital Records and to 
STOP calling me.  I had searched numerous times and and found nothing of value.

Legacy's association with family search.org which also uses information from 
MANY volunteers, but family search is still a FREE web site and a good one at 
that.  Most of us have searched it at some point in our hunt for our ancestors 
and it does a good service to the genealogy community.

So what's going on with Legacy, is the interest still genealogy software?

Syble Glasscock




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Syble Glasscock
I wondered where they got mine also, but I have, if absolutely required put 
mine in with an order, so I'm not 100% sure about that.  One call was bad 
enough, they ask who and where was I researching, said they wanted to know so 
as to what direction to further their data in, but they continued to call at 
least 3 times it was in the middle of a subscription period and by then I was 
annoyed.
Syble

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From: C.G. Ouimet couim...@cogeco.ca
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 2:30 PM



And I was annoyed that they had my phone number ... I don't know where they got 
it.
 
Yes they did call and I said no thanks ...
 
 
C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON
 



From: Syble Glasscock [mailto:syble_...@yahoo.com]
Sent: March 24, 2011 08:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records






I'm VERY disappointed that Legacy is now officially  associated with World 
Vital Records, according to their recent newsletter, and offer signed by Ken, 
Dave and Geoff.

In that column World Vital Records.com boast of the world's largest map and 
tombstone photo collections, which is actually findagrave.com.   findagrave has 
MANY faithful followers and volunteers of which I am a part.   We have put in 
many hours to a website that stated our information would not be sold, but it 
apparently has been.  If you search a name in World Vital records, your work 
that you voluntarily added to findagrave.com can now appear as theirs that 
people have to PAY to see.   So how about the REAL truth from World Vital 
Records, apparently they just have some real good sales people.

I have a paid subscription to World Vital Records, I received several phone 
calls, and numerous emails trying to get me to renew my subscription early, it 
became  VERY annoying.  I finally informed the last caller, that I had no 
intention of renewing, and just what I thought of World Vital Records and to 
STOP calling me.  I had searched numerous times and and found nothing of value. 

Legacy's association with family search.org which also uses information from 
MANY volunteers, but family search is still a FREE web site and a good one at 
that.  Most of us have searched it at some point in our hunt for our ancestors 
and it does a good service to the genealogy community. 

So what's going on with Legacy, is the interest still genealogy software?

Syble Glasscock



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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread William Boswell
I’m not too happy either about this!



I got a call from GenealogyBank.com yesterday and I’d like to know how they got 
my cell phone number.  I don’t give that out to companies unless I absolutely 
have to.  I don’t remember giving it to Legacy either, but if I did I don’t 
appreciate them giving out my phone number to other companies.  I get enough 
wrong number calls as it is and don’t need more companies calling me selling 
something I have no interest in.  Obviously our information is being sold out 
to other companies.  Because very few people have my cell phone number, I can’t 
figure out how Legacy got it.  If I freely gave it to them, they did not have 
my permission to give it to anyone else.



The person calling said they were from Legacy Family Tree, but were really 
pushing a subscription to GenealogyBank.com at a reduced rate.  I told the man 
that I don’t do much research anymore and I don’t have time.  He pushed to give 
me a free month because I’m in the middle of a move and won’t have time to 
research.  They are selling annual subscriptions.  I really don’t have any 
interest in it right now, but this guy was giving the hard sell.  He said he’s 
calling back next week, but I doubt I’ll change my mind.



I never heard of GenealogyBank.com and this person said they’ve been around for 
about four years.  Supposedly they are connected to NewsBank.com.



I agree with you about these annoying calls and hard sells.  My thinking is:  
I’ll call them; don’t call me.  I can waste my money on other things that I can 
use.  This is not one of them.  World Vital Records never was any good.  I’ve 
never found anything on it that was useful, and like you said they seem to link 
to a lot of free information.  Why should we pay for that?



Bill Boswell



From: Syble Glasscock [mailto:syble_...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records




I'm VERY disappointed that Legacy is now officially  associated with World 
Vital Records, according to their recent newsletter, and offer signed by Ken, 
Dave and Geoff.

In that column World Vital Records.com boast of the world's largest map and 
tombstone photo collections, which is actually findagrave.com.   findagrave has 
MANY faithful followers and volunteers of which I am a part.   We have put in 
many hours to a website that stated our information would not be sold, but it 
apparently has been.  If you search a name in World Vital records, your work 
that you voluntarily added to findagrave.com can now appear as theirs that 
people have to PAY to see.   So how about the REAL truth from World Vital 
Records, apparently they just have some real good sales people.

I have a paid subscription to World Vital Records, I received several phone 
calls, and numerous emails trying to get me to renew my subscription early, it 
became  VERY annoying.  I finally informed the last caller, that I had no 
intention of renewing, and just what I thought of World Vital Records and to 
STOP calling me.  I had searched numerous times and and found nothing of value.

Legacy's association with family search.org which also uses information from 
MANY volunteers, but family search is still a FREE web site and a good one at 
that.  Most of us have searched it at some point in our hunt for our ancestors 
and it does a good service to the genealogy community.

So what's going on with Legacy, is the interest still genealogy software?

Syble Glasscock




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread William Boswell
GenealogyBank.com did a “free” lookup for me and said they got 35 hits as if to 
indicate they might have something.  I’ve gotten more on other sites and none 
of those hits were applicable so I’m not going to fall for that line.  Is 
GenealogyBank associated with WorldVitalRecords?



He said they have a genealogist on their staff with over 40 years of experience 
and you get his/her services for free if you subscribe.  I told him what good 
would that be if the information is just not available.  I know how to research 
myself so what do I need a genealogist researcher for if the information I need 
was burned in a fire two hundred years ago.  My ancestors were at the front of 
the line burning those records because there is nothing available.



Bill Boswell



From: David C Abernathy [mailto:da...@schmeckabernathy.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records



I to have received these calls, I told them the same, I did NOT want to hear 
from them again. They got upset when I told them that most of their links were 
from FREE sites.



Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
From the Legacy Download Page: “Your email address and any optional Name and
Address information will be kept confidential. “

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ron Bernier
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

What I find very disturbing about this response from Ken is that there is
absolutely no denial that Millennia has given out personal information
provided to them by their customers.  I find this despicable.  Millennia has
made the conscious decision that their profits are more important than the
privacy of their customers.  This demonstrates a total lack of integrity on
the part of Millennia..  I will continue to use the product that I have paid
for, but Millennia will receive no further business from me.  In addition, I
will no longer recommend Legacy or their add ons.  I will do everything in
my power to convince other acquaintances to refrain from doing any further
business with Millennia.

Regards,
Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI

From: KenMcGinnis [kenmcgin...@legacyusers..com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records



Syble and others,

Great genealogy software is still our main focus and we are also excited
about offering great genealogy training which is why we are doing so many
Webinars.

We have partnered with a few other genealogy companies that we like.  When I
say partnered I simply mean that we have agreed with a few other companies
like GenealogyBank and WorldVitalRecords in order to bring great deals to
our users and for their companies to do the same with their users and help
us introduce Legacy to them.  The promotions usually allow us to offer what
we feel are great companies and what they do for very substantial discounts.
This is good for our users who are doing research and want an inexpensive
way of trying some of the different companies that are out there.  It also
allows us to tell all of their customers about Legacy Family Tree.  Our goal
is to tell the world about Legacy and to continue to work hard on Legacy
adding innovative features.

I cannot speak for WorldVitalRecords and why they are promoting Find a Grave
as if it was their own but there must be some agreements between those two
companies or I would think Find a Grave would sue or at least ask them to
stop what they are doing.  Again, this statement by me has no merit other
than it's my opinion as I simply don't know the details between these two
companies.  If this is a concern to you then you really should follow
through and contact both of those companies and work with them to get an
answer as to what's going on.

WorldVitalRecords has many records that FamilySearch, Ancestry,
GenealogyBank, Find a Grave and may other sites do not have.  When
researching I think many will try as many different sites as they can in
order to find the records they are looking for.  Often only one company will
a license to the data a county (or who ever) has collected and if you were
to only look on FamilySearch for your ancestors they may not have the
records that you need.   I do love FamilySearch especially because it's free
and they have tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands indexing the
records for them which is making the records easy to search.  Isn't it great
how the companies listed above continue to constantly add new records .

Syble, Thank you for your many hours of service with Find a Grave.  We also
thank all the rest of you who have volunteered with similar projects like
Indexing FamilySearch records.  It's only with lots of help from everyone
that great things happen.  Thank to all of you for your service!!!


Thanks,

Ken McGinnis
Millennia Corporation
kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
We are changing the world of genealogy!



From: Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

I'm VERY disappointed that Legacy is now officially  associated with World
Vital Records, according to their recent newsletter, and offer signed by
Ken, Dave and Geoff.

In that column World Vital Records.com boast of the world's largest map and
tombstone photo collections, which is actually findagrave.com.   findagrave
has MANY faithful followers and volunteers of which I am a part..   We have
put in many hours to a website that stated our information would not be
sold, but it apparently has been.  If you search a name in World Vital
records, your work that you voluntarily added to findagrave.com can now
appear as theirs that people have to PAY to see.   So how about the REAL
truth from World Vital Records, apparently they just have some real good
sales people.

I have a paid subscription to World Vital Records, I received several phone
calls

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:40:22 EDT, salude...@aol.com wrote:

I also got 2 calls a few weeks ago from these people

Anybody got the phone number or city they are calling from? We have
caller id and we religiously let calls go to the answering machine if we
do not recognize the caller. Sometimes we let it go to the answering
machine WHEN WE DO KNOW THE CALLER. ;-) But I am now wondering if some
of the persistent calls are from these companies.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Scott Hall
About a month ago, I also got a solicitation call from GenealogyBank
-- on my cell phone.  I don't recall giving that info. to Legacy
either.

My guess is Millennia gave or sold its user list -- perhaps just with
name and e-mail -- to Genealogy Bank, who used public records searches
to obtain the other information.  Such methods are not uncommon.  A
company doesn't need to be provided your phone number to figure it out
in today's less-than-private technology world.

Scott



On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Dennis M. Kowallek kowal...@iglou.com wrote:

 On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:40:22 EDT, salude...@aol.com wrote:

 I also got 2 calls a few weeks ago from these people

 Anybody got the phone number or city they are calling from? We have
 caller id and we religiously let calls go to the answering machine if we
 do not recognize the caller. Sometimes we let it go to the answering
 machine WHEN WE DO KNOW THE CALLER. ;-) But I am now wondering if some
 of the persistent calls are from these companies.

 --

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread William Boswell
I was told by the guy from GenealogyBank.com that he was calling from Utah.  I 
figure somewhere near Salt Lake City where most of these companies are from.

The number on my cell phone is:  1-866-641-3297.  Since it's a toll free 
number, it could be from anywhere or a bogus number that can't be called back.  
I've found this to be true for a lot of other calls I've gotten where the 
number on the caller idea is not a real number for the company.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:40:22 EDT, salude...@aol.com wrote:

I also got 2 calls a few weeks ago from these people

Anybody got the phone number or city they are calling from? We have
caller id and we religiously let calls go to the answering machine if we
do not recognize the caller. Sometimes we let it go to the answering
machine WHEN WE DO KNOW THE CALLER. ;-) But I am now wondering if some
of the persistent calls are from these companies.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:11:46 -0700, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote:

Caller ID spoofing is the practice of causing the telephone network to 
display a number on the recipient's Caller ID display which is not that of the 
actual originating station.

True, but if a company like the one's being discussed are spoofing
telno's, then ... case closed.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread John Carter
We once had a number that was one digit different from a local duscount
store.  Most of the callers were certain that they had dialled the right
number.  I finally started telling them that stock on the item of interest
was limited, but I would put one back for them - they should ask for
Jason to get the item.  The problem went away when the store closed a
couple of years later.

We moved about six years ago and got a new phone number.  It had been the
home and work number of someone who ran a contracting company.  The
company apparently shut down and disappeared into the night, but we didn't
discover any of that until after updating our number with family and
business contacts (and having new business cards printed).

The people looking for money or warranty service stopped calling after a
year or so, but the guy never updated his phone number with his doctor,
pharmacy, etc.  Appointment reminders and Your prescription is ready
messages were still coming to the number in year five.

Having a common name (would you believe 20+ of us in the metro area?)
means I have received calls intended for many of the others.  The best
call was an offer to be Head of Pediatrics at a hospital in North
Carolina.  As good as I am in many areas, I'm not qualified for that one
;-)

John


 My biggest gripe is that because I receive so many wrong numbers on my
 house phone I don't want my cell number published anywhere because
 criminals are using other people's numbers for loans.  Twice now I've had
 federal and local law enforcement agencies call me looking for these
 people then think I'm hiding them somewhere.  Not to mention all the
 collection services that call daily.  It's just harrassment.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread robert coburn
I did a search on the phone number and it is, according to my search,
located in Naples, Florida.  Not that I am an overly intelligent fellow, my
suspicion is that they are all going toward a affiliation.
Also, I really appreciate the webinars, I am going to miss the free
handouts.  They are now bundled with the CD's.

Robert Coburn


- Original Message -
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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records


I was told by the guy from GenealogyBank.com that he was calling from Utah.
I figure somewhere near Salt Lake City where most of these companies are
from.

The number on my cell phone is:  1-866-641-3297.  Since it's a toll free
number, it could be from anywhere or a bogus number that can't be called
back.  I've found this to be true for a lot of other calls I've gotten where
the number on the caller idea is not a real number for the company.

Bill Boswell

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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:40:22 EDT, salude...@aol.com wrote:

I also got 2 calls a few weeks ago from these people

Anybody got the phone number or city they are calling from? We have
caller id and we religiously let calls go to the answering machine if we
do not recognize the caller. Sometimes we let it go to the answering
machine WHEN WE DO KNOW THE CALLER. ;-) But I am now wondering if some
of the persistent calls are from these companies.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Larry Lee
I too used a trial. After searching for easy records that I had
already found on Ancestry and SSDI and not finding one hit on their
site I called and cancelled in less than 24 hours.

Their search was useless to me and I will not do business with them!

I believe Millenia is using them for data mining to get new
leads/subscribers for Legacy. While this arrangement may be legal it
is certainly despicable. I would not have thought Millenia would get
involved with a company that seems so unworthy.

Larry Lee



On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:02 PM, DianeLeMasson
dianelemas...@optonline.net wrote:

 I too received a call from this company a few years ago,
 curosity of Legacy.
 They will lie to you and tell you they have every record you
 need to complete your search.
 They said they have more than ancestry has but are cheaper
 with discount. I told them my family didn't come to the US
 untill after 1920 so anything before is useless.
 They assured me I would not have a problem because of
 how up to date they are.
 Well took the bait but in 6 hours I realized how wrong they
 were. Census were not complete and if I recall, don't hang
 me if I'm wrong, 1930 was no where complete if any.
 There was so much missing records it was a joke.
 Next morning cancel it with no problem.
 The girl who took my information informed me the owner of
 this company use to own ancestry and was shock when I
 told her about the missing census files.
 Since I cancel they keep calling and I get tons of emails.
 What a shame we have to deal with such dishonestly

 Diane




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Richard and Evita Piepho

Do not knock World Vital Recordsthey have many things Ancestry does not 
have it did give me some material and had them for a short time and gleamed 
all I needed and then went on... They have a lot and are growing in areas that 
the other sites are not covering... most of my research isn't in the area they 
cover but have used them to help other researchers find material for their 
trees... it would take many pages to explain the specialized material they have 
others do not.
Richard

 From: ldlee...@gmail.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records
 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:55:59 -0700

 I too used a trial. After searching for easy records that I had
 already found on Ancestry and SSDI and not finding one hit on their
 site I called and cancelled in less than 24 hours.

 Their search was useless to me and I will not do business with them!

 I believe Millenia is using them for data mining to get new
 leads/subscribers for Legacy. While this arrangement may be legal it
 is certainly despicable. I would not have thought Millenia would get
 involved with a company that seems so unworthy.

 Larry Lee



 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:02 PM, DianeLeMasson
 dianelemas...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  I too received a call from this company a few years ago,
  curosity of Legacy.
  They will lie to you and tell you they have every record you
  need to complete your search.
  They said they have more than ancestry has but are cheaper
  with discount. I told them my family didn't come to the US
  untill after 1920 so anything before is useless.
  They assured me I would not have a problem because of
  how up to date they are.
  Well took the bait but in 6 hours I realized how wrong they
  were. Census were not complete and if I recall, don't hang
  me if I'm wrong, 1930 was no where complete if any.
  There was so much missing records it was a joke.
  Next morning cancel it with no problem.
  The girl who took my information informed me the owner of
  this company use to own ancestry and was shock when I
  told her about the missing census files.
  Since I cancel they keep calling and I get tons of emails.
  What a shame we have to deal with such dishonestly
 
  Diane
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread Jackie King

It may be useful to know exactly what company you are speaking of. World
Vital Records became FamilyLink in 2008 and since then a number of
brands have come under that name. If you do genealogy on facebook or
other social networks,  you may have encountered the company through its
brand there which is called FamilyLink. If you twitter, it's
BigFamilyPhotos.com

WorldHistory.com is another of its brands.

The company is headed by Paul Allen - who in fact was one of the
co-founders of Ancestry.com but, if memory serves me right, he was one
of the first to leave that company.

GenealogyBank (which I use and have found quite a bit on that I have not
found on Ancestry and other such sites because of its vast number of
actual newspaper images) is a product produced by NewsBank. A number of
the products you may connect to through your local library may in fact
be NewsBank brands.

Trying to put everything under the same umbrella confuses the issues
here - but World Vital Records may have gotten your phone numbers
through any variety of genealogy products you may have interacted with
in the past.

I tend to steer clear of any of the affiliates of World Vital Records
but I am a registered user of Legacy. I have yet to get a telephone call
from World Vital Records on any of my three phone lines.

And just to confuse the issue more - several friends of mine who do not
use Legacy have reported the same type phone calls to me recently and
with no particular tie in that we can find other than they've noted
their interest in family research.

I do find the email tie-in emails I get from World Vital Records about
their Legacy offers confusing - and do think it is something Geoff and
crew might want to look at. Those offers do somewhat indicate that
Legacy and WorldVital Records are the same company.

Cheers,

Jackie


On 3/24/2011 6:55 PM, Larry Lee wrote:
 I too used a trial. After searching for easy records that I had
 already found on Ancestry and SSDI and not finding one hit on their
 site I called and cancelled in less than 24 hours.

 Their search was useless to me and I will not do business with them!

 I believe Millenia is using them for data mining to get new
 leads/subscribers for Legacy. While this arrangement may be legal it
 is certainly despicable. I would not have thought Millenia would get
 involved with a company that seems so unworthy.

 Larry Lee



 On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:02 PM, DianeLeMasson
 dianelemas...@optonline.net  wrote:
 I too received a call from this company a few years ago,
 curosity of Legacy.
 They will lie to you and tell you they have every record you
 need to complete your search.
 They said they have more than ancestry has but are cheaper
 with discount. I told them my family didn't come to the US
 untill after 1920 so anything before is useless.
 They assured me I would not have a problem because of
 how up to date they are.
 Well took the bait but in 6 hours I realized how wrong they
 were. Census were not complete and if I recall, don't hang
 me if I'm wrong, 1930 was no where complete if any.
 There was so much missing records it was a joke.
 Next morning cancel it with no problem.
 The girl who took my information informed me the owner of
 this company use to own ancestry and was shock when I
 told her about the missing census files.
 Since I cancel they keep calling and I get tons of emails.
 What a shame we have to deal with such dishonestly

 Diane




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
I am also on No Call List. When first enrolled I recieved a few unwanted phone 
calls. I politely listened, ask for the person's name and phone number, then 
called the number, asked for the supervisor, explained to him that I was going 
to call the 'no call' people and report his employee to them. One call was all 
I needed. Good luck. Six years running.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Thu, 3/24/11, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:


From: William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 11:20 AM








I prefer emails and not phone calls.  I get enough wrong numbers and collection 
calls for other people (average 12 a day) some in different languages.
 
I also do not appreciate anyone calling my cell phone number unless I gave them 
permission to use it.  I did not give any permission to Legacy Family Tree to 
sell out my phone number to some company I have no interest in either.  I’m 
also on the Do Not Call list, which is apparently useless because I still get 
calls from everywhere.
 
The problem is once you give it to one company, they give it to others and very 
few companies abide by their own rule that they will not sell our personal 
information.  They do if it’s to their advantage to profit from it.
 
Bill Boswell
 

From: KenMcGinnis [mailto:kenmcgin...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records
 

Syble and others,

 
Great genealogy software is still our main focus and we are also excited about 
offering great genealogy training which is why we are doing so many Webinars.

 

We have partnered with a few other genealogy companies that we like.  When I 
say partnered I simply mean that we have agreed with a few other companies like 
GenealogyBank and WorldVitalRecords in order to bring great deals to our users 
and for their companies to do the same with their users and help us introduce 
Legacy to them.  The promotions usually allow us to offer what we feel are 
great companies and what they do for very substantial discounts.  This is good 
for our users who are doing research and want an inexpensive way of trying some 
of the different companies that are out there.  It also allows us to tell all 
of their customers about Legacy Family Tree.  Our goal is to tell the world 
about Legacy and to continue to work hard on Legacy adding innovative features.

 

I cannot speak for WorldVitalRecords and why they are promoting Find a Grave as 
if it was their own but there must be some agreements between those two 
companies or I would think Find a Grave would sue or at least ask them to stop 
what they are doing.  Again, this statement by me has no merit other than it's 
my opinion as I simply don't know the details between these two companies.  If 
this is a concern to you then you really should follow through and contact both 
of those companies and work with them to get an answer as to what's going on.

 

WorldVitalRecords has many records that FamilySearch, Ancestry, GenealogyBank, 
Find a Grave and may other sites do not have.  When researching I think many 
will try as many different sites as they can in order to find the records they 
are looking for.  Often only one company will a license to the data a county 
(or who ever) has collected and if you were to only look on FamilySearch for 
your ancestors they may not have the records that you need.   I do love 
FamilySearch especially because it's free and they have tens of thousands if 
not hundreds of thousands indexing the records for them which is making the 
records easy to search.  Isn't it great how the companies listed above continue 
to constantly add new records .

Syble, Thank you for your many hours of service with Find a Grave.  We also 
thank all the rest of you who have volunteered with similar projects like 
Indexing FamilySearch records.  It's only with lots of help from everyone that 
great things happen.  Thank to all of you for your service!!!


 


Thanks,

 

Ken McGinnis

Millennia Corporation

kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com

http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!

 
 



From: Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records




I'm VERY disappointed that Legacy is now officially  associated with World 
Vital Records, according to their recent newsletter, and offer signed by Ken, 
Dave and Geoff.

In that column World Vital Records.com boast of the world's largest map and 
tombstone photo collections, which is actually findagrave.com.   findagrave has 
MANY faithful followers and volunteers of which I am a part.   We have put in 
many hours to a website that stated our information would not be sold, but it 
apparently

RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread William Boswell
They asked for me personally so I knew they had my number.  All those other 
calls I get they are always asking for the same person.  I’ll be glad when my 
phone is disconnected.



From: Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records



Just to make it worse, they could be intending to call a land line in their 
area and instead getting an out of state cell phone, I have had that happen to 
me when making a call. Or they could just be using the autodialer that dials 
all possible combinations.


Eliz

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:55 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:

My name and address is not associated with my cell phone number online unless 
they got the information from ATT or the Do Not Call list both of whom I 
highly suspect now because very few people have my cell phone number.  I 
thought it was very odd they were calling on my cell phone number.  When/if he 
calls next week I'm going to ask him where he got my cell phone number from and 
why didn't he call my home number?

My biggest gripe is that because I receive so many wrong numbers on my house 
phone I don't want my cell number published anywhere because criminals are 
using other people's numbers for loans.  Twice now I've had federal and local 
law enforcement agencies call me looking for these people then think I'm hiding 
them somewhere.  Not to mention all the collection services that call daily.  
It's just harrassment.

Bill Boswell




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread William Boswell
I turned in a few of these collection companies for other people and those 
calls stopped until a new company started calling.  They must pass the files 
around from one company to another.



I’m going to turn in GenealogyBank.com because I never asked for their service 
and my cell phone number has been on the not call list for over three years.



Bill Boswell



From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:25 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records




I am also on No Call List. When first enrolled I recieved a few unwanted phone 
calls. I politely listened, ask for the person's name and phone number, then 
called the number, asked for the supervisor, explained to him that I was going 
to call the 'no call' people and report his employee to them. One call was all 
I needed. Good luck. Six years running.

Rich in LA CA

--- On Thu, 3/24/11, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:


From: William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 11:20 AM

I prefer emails and not phone calls.  I get enough wrong numbers and collection 
calls for other people (average 12 a day) some in different languages.



I also do not appreciate anyone calling my cell phone number unless I gave them 
permission to use it.  I did not give any permission to Legacy Family Tree to 
sell out my phone number to some company I have no interest in either.  I’m 
also on the Do Not Call list, which is apparently useless because I still get 
calls from everywhere.



The problem is once you give it to one company, they give it to others and very 
few companies abide by their own rule that they will not sell our personal 
information.  They do if it’s to their advantage to profit from it.



Bill Boswell



From: KenMcGinnis [mailto:kenmcgin...@legacyusers.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records



Syble and others,



Great genealogy software is still our main focus and we are also excited about 
offering great genealogy training which is why we are doing so many Webinars.



We have partnered with a few other genealogy companies that we like.  When I 
say partnered I simply mean that we have agreed with a few other companies like 
GenealogyBank and WorldVitalRecords in order to bring great deals to our users 
and for their companies to do the same with their users and help us introduce 
Legacy to them.  The promotions usually allow us to offer what we feel are 
great companies and what they do for very substantial discounts.  This is good 
for our users who are doing research and want an inexpensive way of trying some 
of the different companies that are out there.  It also allows us to tell all 
of their customers about Legacy Family Tree.  Our goal is to tell the world 
about Legacy and to continue to work hard on Legacy adding innovative features.



I cannot speak for WorldVitalRecords and why they are promoting Find a Grave as 
if it was their own but there must be some agreements between those two 
companies or I would think Find a Grave would sue or at least ask them to stop 
what they are doing.  Again, this statement by me has no merit other than it's 
my opinion as I simply don't know the details between these two companies.  If 
this is a concern to you then you really should follow through and contact both 
of those companies and work with them to get an answer as to what's going on.



WorldVitalRecords has many records that FamilySearch, Ancestry, GenealogyBank, 
Find a Grave and may other sites do not have.  When researching I think many 
will try as many different sites as they can in order to find the records they 
are looking for.  Often only one company will a license to the data a county 
(or who ever) has collected and if you were to only look on FamilySearch for 
your ancestors they may not have the records that you need.   I do love 
FamilySearch especially because it's free and they have tens of thousands if 
not hundreds of thousands indexing the records for them which is making the 
records easy to search.  Isn't it great how the companies listed above continue 
to constantly add new records .

Syble, Thank you for your many hours of service with Find a Grave.  We also 
thank all the rest of you who have volunteered with similar projects like 
Indexing FamilySearch records.  It's only with lots of help from everyone that 
great things happen.  Thank to all of you for your service!!!



Thanks,



Ken McGinnis

Millennia Corporation

kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com

http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!





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From: Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

2011-03-24 Thread ceaster99
I should mention as a retired call center collector that outbound calls
would be made from different numbers than inbound calls would be
directed.  So you could think it was a spoof number when it wasn't.  I
would image that most centers that do outbound calling have that type
of a phone system.  Also I have not received any calls from
GenealogyBank.com.   I get a lot of E-Mails from World Vital Records
because I bit on their free days during some holiday or special about a
year ago.  I just couldn't figure out how to do an effective search.
Ancestry may not bring up what I want immediately; but I can usually
find some way to get the info.

Charlotte



-Original Message-
From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 3:11 pm
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records


What is displayed on Caller ID does not have to be the number from
which the
call is made.

Caller ID spoofing is the practice of causing the telephone network to
display
a number on the recipient's Caller ID display which is not that of the
actual
originating station.

Programs that do this are for sale everywhere.  A solicitor was once
dumb enough
to spoof MY phone number when calling me!


CE


From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

I was told by the guy from GenealogyBank.com that he was calling from
Utah.  I
figure somewhere near Salt Lake City where most of these companies are
from.

The number on my cell phone is:  1-866-641-3297.  Since it's a toll
free number,
it could be from anywhere or a bogus number that can't be called back.
I've
found this to be true for a lot of other calls I've gotten where the
number on
the caller idea is not a real number for the company.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy's Association with World Vital Records

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:40:22 EDT, salude...@aol.com wrote:

I also got 2 calls a few weeks ago from these people

Anybody got the phone number or city they are calling from? We have
caller id and we religiously let calls go to the answering machine if we
do not recognize the caller. Sometimes we let it go to the answering
machine WHEN WE DO KNOW THE CALLER. ;-) But I am now wondering if some
of the persistent calls are from these companies.

--

Dennis Kowallek (LTools)
http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools




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