Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

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I posted the following on the merger announcement at Millennia's website.


You [Geoff] said that in order for Legacy to support Unicode it would have
to be rewritten from scratch. Sherry has posted on the Legacy Support
list-server that VB6 doesn't support Unicode so Legacy's software
programmers would need to learn a new language and rewrite it from scratch.
Are you aware that there are at least two companies (CyberActiveX and
Hexagora) that have products that integrate into existing VB6 programs to
provide Unicode support so that the underlying software doesn't have to be
rewritten? These products are used by many international companies (IBM,
Cisco, Toshiba, etc.) for this very purpose.


I'm not saying that it would be a trivial matter to integrate this third
party software but certainly they would not have to rewrite it from scratch.


I'm a long time customer of Millennia and I'm generally satisfied with
Legacy.  However, I'm very displeased about being forced to enter
inaccurate information into my database.


Brian

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> I realise that Legacy is currently a stand-alone program but I cannot see
> how it can last in its current form. First, technology and users
> expectations rapidly change and increase, while it my understanding is that
> Legacy is built on *outdated technology* which is why it cannot handle
> Unicode. Secondly, I cannot see why MyHeritage, which does everything
> online would keep Legacy which cannot cater for all their
> worldwide/culturally diverse users. It simply does not gel.
>
> I do not buy the reassurances given. I have been through restructures and
> merges in private and public sectors.  Reassurances about changes to
> practices or staffing never bear out.
>
> John
>
> *From:* Denise Moss-Fritch 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2017 12:48 PM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
> If you sync with MyHeritage and leave the setting to public, then you tree
> would be visible.
>
>
>
> If you sync with MyHeritage, but set your tree to private (as is my tree)
> than no one will be able to see your data.
>
>
>
> If you do not sync your tree to MyHeritage, no tree will be uploaded.
>
>
>
> All the above are the same criteria as is found on Ancestry. I know, as I
> have a private tree there too.
>
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Anne Wiltshire
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 7:22 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@Legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Hello all
>
>
>
> Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family Tree (in the Help file)
> still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto their
> website.
>
>
>
> With thanks
>
>
>
> Anne Wiltshire
>
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
>
>
>
> *From:* CE WOOD
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
>
> *To:* Legacy User Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know only
> that.
>
>
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *ONLY* if you set those options on
> your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on your website,
> you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people don't mind having
> people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
>
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *cannot be found *if someone
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
>
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of "members",
> and you can prevent "members" from changing anything on your site.
>
>
>
> On far too many internet sites you find on the internet, people think a
> source is someone else's website! With very, very few exceptions, you can
> never trust anyone else's sources; you must go to their source yourself to
> check.
>
>
>
> My research is mainly medieval. My sources are original documents (primary
> sources) or reliable secondary sources such as *Complete Peerage*, *Domesday
> Descendants*, *Domesday People*, Settipani's tomes, etc.., but, with new
> documents being discovered almost daily, especially in England, errors have
> been found in many of those. There are several scholarly websites devoted
> solely to the corrections in those.
>
>
>
> MyHeritage is very far from perfect, but they have access to only 

Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

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Geoff and others have made it quite clear that they will not rewrite Legacy
in another programming language.  Having over 20 years experience in
software engineering and having interacted with product managers that is
perfectly understandable.

I can't say to what level Millennia has explored using third party vendors'
tools to provide Unicode support since I don't have access to their code or
business structure.  My understanding is that VB6 stores characters in
Unicode but before it manipulates or displays them it converts to ANSI.
That is where CyberActiveX and Hexagora comes in.  They provide source code
and tools to do this.  Their sotware should be well tested because
international companies such as IBM, Toshiba, Siemens, etc. are using it.
Both companies seem eager to help integrate their software and support it.
Given that even this undertaking is not trivial.

In the end Millennia doesn't owe us an explanation but I think we deserve a
more accurate reason than Legacy would need to be rewritten from scratch.

Brian

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> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Brian Kelly  wrote:
>
>> Unicode is a character encoding system that can handle all the characters
>> for all the languages in the world plus special characters. It is important
>> to those with ancestors from Slavic/Eastern European, China, Japan, etc.
>> These are areas which use alphabets that are not supported currently in
>> Legacy. It may have no impact on you but many researchers do have ancestors
>> whose names use these special alphabets and who lived in areas where place
>> names are in those alphabets.
>>
>> Adding Unicode support to Legacy will greatly expand the potential user
>> base.
>>
>> Brian Kelly
>>
>> On 04-Aug-17 1:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn wrote:
>>
>>> I hate to appear completely ignorant- but what is Unicode and why is
>>> that important to my genealogy recording keeping software??
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ian Macaulay > macau...@icmac.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you manufacture something that thousands are using, would you cater
>>> to one or two special cases???
>>>
>>> However I would be more worried about FAG.  Its Ancestry and in Direct
>>> competition with My Heritage.
>>>
>>> I guess the test will be in the pudding,  But so far you can use Legacy
>>> as it is for as long as your Computers can run it.
>>> If you don't like 10 than you can keep on using what you have.
>>>
>>> I sure hope that the folks at Millennia get whats right in the way of
>>> Jobs and Compensation,  They have been a great organization since their
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Leonard J. McCown >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> *Apparently Millennia programmers have their priorities, but not
>>> always the same as the users!*
>>>
>>> *__ __*
>>>
>>> *­*
>>>
>>> *___
>>> __*
>>>
>>> *__ __*
>>>
>>> *Leonard J. McCown, Irving, Texas -- McCown Family History*
>>>
>>> *217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903*
>>>
>>> *972-254-7952 *
>>>
>>> *leon...@mccown.org**--
>>> **http://www.mccown.org***
>>>
>>> *People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward
>>> to*
>>>
>>> *their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790*
>>>
>>> *___
>>> __*
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> *__ __*
>>>
>>> *From:* LegacyUserGroup
>>> [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Sherry
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 4, 2017 10:01 AM
>>> *To:* Brian Kelly >
>>> *Cc:* Legacy User Group >> >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> They've been saying that for years! I'd think there are tools to
>>> help with the conversion.
>>>
>>>
>>> S.
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Brian Kelly >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> But, as the reply to the question explained, conversion will
>>> 

Re: [LegacyUG] Merger with MyHeritage

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I've stopped at Legacy 8 until they fix what I consider a major flaw.  If
and when they fix this will determine whether I upgrade.

Brian

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> I am sorry to see this happen.  Legacy has been a wonderful program to use
> even though it was vastly outdated technologically speaking.
>
> I came to Legacy from another pretty good program and I guess I will now
> need to return to it.  Roots Magic has Unicode and is available on multiple
> platforms.  I regret that I just upgraded to V9 as I now consider that a
> huge waste of a precious resource - my money
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Re: [LegacyUG] Millennia Sale to MyHeritage

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Unicode is a standard for storing, manipulating, and displaying text for
almost all languages.  ANSI only covers some languages.

Why is Unicode important?  Without it we can't accurately enter most
languages' characters, store them, and display them.  For example none of
the Japanese characters can be entered.  Therefore, anyone who has
ancestors that are Japanese can't enter the correct information for those
ancestors.  I can't even begin to think of a workaround for this except
maybe transliteration.  In my book that's not acceptable.

Personally, my wife has Eastern European ancestors.  Without Unicode I
haven't been able to enter certain characters correctly for their names,
birth locations, baptism locations, etc.  I have a workaround but it's
terrible.  I'm concerned that if I share that part of my database that
others will not recognize this and leave the workaround explanation out.
Who wants to purposely perpetuate wrong information?  So I don't share my
database with others.  Hence my and other's research suffers.

Brian

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>> ​​
>>
>> Geoff and others have made it quite clear that they will not rewrite
>> Legacy in another programming language.  Having over 20 years experience in
>> software engineering and having interacted with product managers that is
>> perfectly understandable.
>>
>> I can't say to what level Millennia has explored using third party
>> vendors' tools to provide Unicode support since I don't have access to
>> their code or business structure.  My understanding is that VB6 stores
>> characters in Unicode but before it manipulates or displays them it
>> converts to ANSI.  That is where CyberActiveX and Hexagora comes in.  They
>> provide source code and tools to do this.  Their sotware should be well
>> tested because international companies such as IBM, Toshiba, Siemens, etc.
>> are using it.  Both companies seem eager to help integrate their software
>> and support it.  Given that even this undertaking is not trivial.
>>
>> In the end Millennia doesn't owe us an explanation but I think we deserve
>> a more accurate reason than Legacy would need to be rewritten from
>> scratch.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 7:51 AM, JoAnne Flynn [Masked] <> <+target=>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the explanation
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Brian Kelly  wrote:
>>>
 Unicode is a character encoding system that can handle all the
 characters for all the languages in the world plus special characters. It
 is important to those with ancestors from Slavic/Eastern European, China,
 Japan, etc. These are areas which use alphabets that are not supported
 currently in Legacy. It may have no impact on you but many researchers do
 have ancestors whose names use these special alphabets and who lived in
 areas where place names are in those alphabets.

 Adding Unicode support to Legacy will greatly expand the potential user
 base.

 Brian Kelly

 On 04-Aug-17 1:22 PM, JoAnne Flynn wrote:

> I hate to appear completely ignorant- but what is Unicode and why is
> that important to my genealogy recording keeping software??
>
> On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ian Macaulay > wrote:
>
> If you manufacture something that thousands are using, would you cater
> to one or two special cases???
>
> However I would be more worried about FAG.  Its Ancestry and in Direct
> competition with My Heritage.
>
> I guess the test will be in the pudding,  But so far you can use
> Legacy as it is for as long as your Computers can run it.
> If you don't like 10 than you can keep on using what you have.
>
> I sure hope that the folks at Millennia get whats right in the way of
> Jobs and Compensation,  They have been a great organization since their
> start.
>
> Ian
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Leonard J. McCown  > wrote:
>
>   

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 - date change after latest update

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Estimate and about are synonym as far as I'm concerned.  I always try to go
back to the source since that's what it's based on.

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> 
>
>
> Like Anne I use "about" when I know the date within a year or two.
>
> This can be a birth year based on the age stated on a census, birth year
> based on declared age on a marriage record or any other dated document
> which includes a declared age. When multiple documents give different dates
> I use the Alt. Birth event to record each one and attach the source
> document on which that date is based.
>
> When I have data that allows me to calculate a specific date (age in years
> months and days along with date of death from a gravestone for example I
> use Calc. to indicate that the date is based on a calculation.
>
> Brian Kelly
>
> On 28-Sep-17 11:09 AM, Anne Hildrum wrote:
>
>> I don't know what others consider about as, but  use it when I for example
>> see an age
>> given in a census. In the 1801 census I use for Norway age is often given
>> and if it say someone
>> is x years old, it migt often mean they were born x+1 or x-1 year so I use
>> about.
>> Also if  I in the marriage record find the age of bride and groom, the
>> groom
>> I have the birthdate for,
>> and it fits with the age at marriage and the wife is x years older or
>> younger than the grrom, but I have no ideas of when she was born,
>> except for example that she is 3 years younger than the grom, I would use
>> about for her age.
>>
>> Anne
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
>> Behalf Of JV Leavitt
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 4:38 PM
>> To: Legacy User Group 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 - date change after latest update
>>
>> Does anyone know what the term "About" means when used with a date?
>> Everyone seems to have a different idea about the level of credibility to
>> give it.  Many think it must be within a few years, and don't think of it
>> as
>> being a wild guess (which so often turns out to be the case), but I'm not
>> alone in thinking of it as a wild guess, which means it might be 10 to 50
>> years off. I never use the term About for a date, but would rather use the
>> term Estimated or Est.  Better than that, of course, when only an age is
>> given in a source, is to use the term Calculated, or cal.  Calculated as a
>> term for a date can properly be seen as having much more credibility than
>> the term Estimated.
>> Unfortunately, the term Estimated is sometimes being used for a date when
>> it
>> was derived from a calculation based on age. I sincerely wish they
>> wouldn't
>> do that.
>>
>> I'm very disappointed that the term Estimated or Est is not included in
>> Legacy's Date Prefix options.
>>
>> Joseph Leavitt
>>
>>
>> On 7/7/2017 1:00 PM, Lucy Abbott wrote:
>>
>>> OK, had not thought of setting up the Gedcom from Ancestry, changing
>>> all the Est to Abt, doing the same with my existing Legacy file before
>>> doing the merge. Not exactly what I want but it would work and save time.
>>>
>>> Never done a search and replace but going to make a duplicate file and
>>> try this on existing Legacy file.
>>>
>>> Your comments on making my Gedcom a Text file have me confused. I
>>> normally just ask Ancestry to make a Gedcom, did not know I should
>>> make some adjustment to it or that I could even do something
>>> different. Feel free to email me directly with some help on this if
>>> you would.
>>>
>>> Thx for the solution for the changing of the files, really appreciate.
>>> Lucy Abbott
>>> Mill Creek, WA, USA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 3, 2017 4:28 PM, "J.M. "Jay" Ingalls"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Lucy Abbott,
>>>
>>> Remember to save the file as PLAIN text with the ".ged" file
>>> extension, or it will include "garbage" you do not want from what I
>>> have been told in the past.
>>>
>>> Jay Ingalls
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/3/2017 3:51 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>
 On 03-Jul-17 07:59 PM, Lucy Abbott wrote:

>
> Give me an option here that I can use. I want to stay with Est
> because there is no way that I know of to change all the ones on
> Ancestry and I had planned on downloading a Gedcom and merging that
> file with my Legacy file once I have done all the research at that
> site. Without this correction, many more hours will need to be used
> on the merge. My merge is scottish names and 60% are duplicate type
> names due to naming conventions so hours and hours are needed for
> the merge and this has me frustrated thinking of how many more
> hours will be needed to change the dates headings.
>

 If it turns out that you DO have to change "est" to something else,
 it needn't take hours.  If you open your Gedcom as a Legacy file you
 could use the Search & Replace function to change all the instances

Re: [LegacyUG] Mailing List please unscribe me from mailing list

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Wait a minute.  I paid attention.  ;)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Special Characters

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Sherry,

CyberCyberActiveX and Hexagora are two companies that have software that
would fix this problem without a rewrite of Legacy.  Hexagora states:

"The Unicode Library for VB6 is a robust and lightweight API driven ActiveX
component that will permit you to turn your VB6 programs into fully Unicode
(UTF16) applications.  Using this complete set of usercontrols and classes
you'll be able to modernize the look of your programs permitting them
to use Unicode data and files."

Have
​ ​
your programmers looked into using this?


Gene,

I use other Western European letters
​ ​
with a superscript to a note.  For example:

Maĉisak is instead written Mac²isak with the following note:

†  "c²" represents a c with the circumflex diacritic.


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> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Sherry H  wrote:
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>> Gene,
>>
>> Legacy doesn't support non-Western European fonts. I don't know when
>> the programmers will be able to reprogram Legacy in a programming
>> language that supports those fonts. I know it's been a popular request
>> probably since the program was first released.
>>
>> The only workaround is to use the closest English equivalent.
>>
>> Sherry
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Gene Wheeler  wrote:
>> > I have a lot of Czech names and places that use special characters that
>> are
>> > not available in Legacy v.8 choices for special characters. I can find
>> them
>> > in the Windows 7 Character Map, but when I copy and paste them into a
>> name
>> > or location field in v.8, a question mark appears, not the special
>> > character. Is there a way I can work around this? Thanks!
>> >
>> > Gene
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Re: [LegacyUG] Special Characters

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You speak with such authority and knowledge that I mistook you for a
current Millennia empolyee.  I will consider sending an e-mail as you
suggest.

Brian

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> wrote:

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> 
>
>
> They're not "my" programmers When I was working for Legacy in
> Support, I was always told that VB6 didn't support Unicode and that
> they'd need to reprogram in a language that did support it, such as
> VB.Net.
>
> You might send in an email about this to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com.
>
> Sherry
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:27 PM,   wrote:
> > Sherry,
> >
> > CyberCyberActiveX and Hexagora are two companies that have software that
> > would fix this problem without a rewrite of Legacy.  Hexagora states:
> >
> > "The Unicode Library for VB6 is a robust and lightweight API driven
> ActiveX
> > component that will permit you to turn your VB6 programs into fully
> Unicode
> > (UTF16) applications.  Using this complete set of usercontrols and
> classes
> > you'll be able to modernize the look of your programs permitting
> them
> > to use Unicode data and files."
> >
> > Have
> > your programmers looked into using this?
> >
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > I use other Western European letters
> > with a superscript to a note.  For example:
> >
> > Maĉisak is instead written Mac²isak with the following note:
> >
> > †  "c²" represents a c with the circumflex diacritic.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Gene Wheeler [Masked] <> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks, Sherry. I was afraid that would be the case.
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Sherry H 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Gene,
> >>>
> >>> Legacy doesn't support non-Western European fonts. I don't know when
> >>> the programmers will be able to reprogram Legacy in a programming
> >>> language that supports those fonts. I know it's been a popular request
> >>> probably since the program was first released.
> >>>
> >>> The only workaround is to use the closest English equivalent.
> >>>
> >>> Sherry
>
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