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--- Comment #37 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Available in Expert Configuration:

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=2e293978d80c5113ea37f4c7f4b18ee01f2022e1

=> FIXED

Opened bug 115688 -- Add Checkbox option to disable animated overlay to Tools
-> Options -> Accessibility panel

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 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

--- Comment #36 from MarjaE  ---
> In the particular case the animated frame (usually called "marching ants") is 
> a useful and familiar feature, annoying (but not disruptive) for only a few 
> users, with the very simple corrective action to press escape. Promoting it 
> to T>O would lead to confusion and requires documentation. The unclear 
> relation to existing animations [1] is another argument against having it in 
> T>O.

"annoying (but not disruptive) for only a few users"

It can be hard to see what I'm doing when I can't see that part of the screen
because of the painful flashing. It also triggers migraines and nausea. I'd
call that disruptive.

"with the very simple corrective action to press escape."

The hidden setting can already block flashing in both Calc and Draw. The escape
key helps in Calc, but loses focus in Draw.

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--- Comment #35 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We have different levels of visibility for options:
* always on top (toolbar/sidebar) for features most frequently and repeatedly
used in a session
* easy accessible (main/context menu) for features that are used a few times in
a session
* user configuration (options dialog) for things that are usually not changed
and if set onetime
* expert settings (registry) for options that are harmful when used wrong and
very unlikely changed

You can always ask to what level a feature belongs, and depending on your use
case the more prominent position might make sense. 

In the particular case the animated frame (usually called "marching ants") is a
useful and familiar feature, annoying (but not disruptive) for only a few
users, with the very simple corrective action to press escape. Promoting it to
T>O would lead to confusion and requires documentation. The unclear relation to
existing animations [1] is another argument against having it in T>O.

If we stay with hidden expert options I'm strongly against making it available
somewhere. (The alternative is to move away from hidden options in general and
have _all_ in T>O.)

[1] https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Accessibility

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--- Comment #34 from crx...@hotmail.com ---
(In reply to MarjaE from comment #33)
> Won't that hide this from other users who need to protect themselves? I
> think this should be taken as an enhancement request, to make it easier to
> find these accessibility settings, when they exist.

I agree.  I don't think this issue should be closed as "resolved" quite yet...

I am VERY glad there is an "expert configuration" option.  This will help a lot
of people (if they can ever find it).  However, I thought part of the point of
this bug/enhancement report/request was to also have something more visible for
users to use in the UI to control it.

For example- in Tools-> Options-> Accessibility-> Misc Options   there are
already checkboxes for "allow animated graphics" and "allow animated text".  It
seems logical that if a user said they don't want to see animated graphics,
that would include animated graphics of the selection process (or any other
screen animation).  Perhaps not, but it seems plausible.  And if not, then if
we have THOSE two available in options, why not add an "allow copy/paste
animation" or "allow selection animation" option right there with them?

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--- Comment #33 from MarjaE  ---
Won't that hide this from other users who need to protect themselves? I think
this should be taken as an enhancement request, to make it easier to find these
accessibility settings, when they exist.

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 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
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--- Comment #32 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Telesto from comment #30)
> 1. Open Calc
> 2. Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Open the expert configuration
> 3. Search for: AnimationsEnabled
> 4. Set it to: False

Haven't found it myself and kept this ticket in my inbox for a while. Thanks a
lot!

Closing as WFM as Tools > Options > Advanced is the perfect solution.

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--- Comment #31 from MarjaE  ---
Thank you! The workaround definitely helps.

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--- Comment #30 from Telesto  ---
Fixing this bug isn't to hard :-). The expert configuration has a setting for
it since 2015-03-09.

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=2e293978d80c5113ea37f4c7f4b18ee01f2022e1

1. Open Calc
2. Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Open the expert configuration
3. Search for: AnimationsEnabled
4. Set it to: False

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Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 101912] [META] Accessibility (a11y) bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #29 from crx...@hotmail.com ---
After so many years of this annoyance, I would welcome ANY method of disabling
it.  No doubt the easiest, quickest, safest, and least controversial way to
accomplish that would be to just add an expert config option.  I don't think it
is the ideal location, but it is a huge step forward.  Let's just add it there
and worry about the UI down the road (if ever).

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--- Comment #28 from Eike Rathke  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #26)
> an option to switch it
> off. If such an option is implemented the best place is tools > options >
> advanced > expert configuration. 
> 
> Eike, what do you think?
I'm unbiased. Expert config is as fine for me.

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--- Comment #27 from MarjaE  ---
I have trouble seeing around flashing/blinking/etc. pain. I mostly use
NeoOffice, because it works with a hack to stop the pain. I still occasionally
use LibreOffice Draw, where escape drops the selection, so that workaround
won't help.

So from my perspective, with my disabilities, flashing/blinking/etc. objects
are an important barrier to usability and accessibility.

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  Component|LibreOffice |Calc

--- Comment #26 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Marching ants are important for usability and accessibility as feedback for
copy. And getting rid of it is quite simple with escape. So my take is wontfix.

However, many users report issues on X and ask for an option to switch it off.
If such an option is implemented the best place is tools > options > advanced >
expert configuration. 

Eike, what do you think?

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--- Comment #24 from MarjaE  ---
I have nasty sensory processing issues, and could really use this. How fast are
flashing cursors in LibreOffice? 4 Hz? How fast are flashing cell edges? 10 Hz?

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #23 from andréb and...@laposte.net ---
(In reply to Joel Madero from comment #22)
 This was never confirmed by anyone on QA team or developer side - in fact,

This problem was confirmed by numerous users.  It is disingenuous at best to
say that it is not confirmed.

 the most involved developers heavily disfavor this idea. That being said -

Just because developers aren't interested does not mean that users do not find
it an important problem - as the comments clearly show.  (You did bother to
read them, didn't you ?)
Note also that these same developers confirmed the behavior in question.  (One
with the audacity to call the annoying behavior it a vital part of calc.)

 REOPENED is incorrect. Moving to UNCONFIRMED and asking for UX input (as was
 originally requested by Kohei but no one took the time to do that).
 
 Please stop messing with the severity/priority for your pet bugsit
 doesn't help anyone.

By calling it unconfirmed, you are messing inappropriately with the bug report.
Correcting the status to new.

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 Whiteboard|VOTE|

--- Comment #22 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
This was never confirmed by anyone on QA team or developer side - in fact, the
most involved developers heavily disfavor this idea. That being said - REOPENED
is incorrect. Moving to UNCONFIRMED and asking for UX input (as was originally
requested by Kohei but no one took the time to do that).

Please stop messing with the severity/priority for your pet bugsit doesn't
help anyone.

Removing VOTE as it's meaningless and not used by anyone, not looked at by any
developers, and has no impact on the project.

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--- Comment #21 from chtfn stephane.guil...@gmail.com ---
Hi Crxssi

It simply means that this bug is listed on the Vote for Enhancement page on the
TDF wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement

Cheers

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--- Comment #20 from crx...@hotmail.com ---
@chtfn:

Could you please explain what your adding the word VOTE to the whiteboard
means?  Thanks!

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--- Comment #18 from crx...@hotmail.com ---
No change in LO 4.1.

We are still seeking an option to allow users to suppress the marching ants
animation completely or to at least have it time out after X number of seconds.

My suggestion would be to place it under tools- options- view- Graphics
Output section as a checkbox for UI animations which would turn off any
animations in all modules.  Or under the Selection section as a checkbox for
Selection animations

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--- Comment #19 from andréb and...@laposte.net ---
(In reply to comment #18)
 We are still seeking an option to allow users to suppress the marching ants
 animation completely or ...

Good description :)

 
 My suggestion would be to place it under tools- options- view- Graphics
 Output section as a checkbox for UI animations which would turn off any
 animations in all modules.  Or under the Selection section as a checkbox
 for Selection animations

I'd go for the same page, Selection section,
 with a checkbox Use animations

On by default is not a problem as long as there is an option to AVOID the
flashing.

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--- Comment #16 from john.pr...@cantab.net ---
I agree that this behaviour is annoying and inconsistent.  Every time I copy
students test results I have to scroll my window as it is annoying.  The top
remains even if I hit ESC, as it is next to the freeze window line, and the
only way to clear it seems to be to scroll the window.  I also find that
sometimes it starts to flash, but nothing has been copied (when I paste there
is nothing there, or something from earlier).

It is simply incredibly annoying to me.

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--- Comment #17 from tmacalp tmac...@gmail.com ---
I would LOVE to have a way to disable the this animation completely.

I, personally, find the animation to be extremely distracting and completely
pointless. 

That said, I can understand people wanting to have a choice, so I fully support
an option to enable/disable the animation. People seem to be either neutral,
weakly in favor of, or EXTREMELY opposed to the animation. Whatever the case,
it is enough of an annoyance to warrant an option to disable it.

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--- Comment #15 from crx...@hotmail.com ---
The marching ants animation that was added to Calc has several negative
effects:

* We use X11 thin clients, so the animation generates additional, unnecessary,
continuous network traffic.
* The animation creates additional CPU load and battery usage on portable
devices.
* The animation is extremely distracting to some people (myself included).

I strongly support adding an option to let users turn this animation off.  I
have polled my users and most seem to think that it serves no useful purpose. 
There is no such animation when copying and pasting in Writer, for example
(thank God).  When you copy Draw objects they don't flash or animate (thank
God).

At a very minimum it should time out after X number of seconds, or allow the
user to choose an animation rate.  But I think having an option to turn it off
in Tools- Options- Calc - View (or General) makes more sense.

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--- Comment #14 from Arnolf Best xabc...@gazeta.pl 2012-02-06 06:11:56 PST ---
Nobody wants to make an option? OK.

Give me just a tip, how could I turn off those flashing lines from within a
macro.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35077] [UI] Add an OPTION to switch off special effects, such as flashing lines around copy source cell(s)

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Arnolf Best xabc...@gazeta.pl changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|lowest  |medium

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35077] [UI] Add an OPTION to switch off special effects, such as flashing lines around copy source cell(s)

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--- Comment #12 from Arnolf Best xabc...@gazeta.pl 2012-02-01 13:46:29 PST ---
As a OO calc programmer, I fully agree with andréb. The flashing lines
surrounding the copied area of cells are very annoying.

Curious about the LO, I wanted to test my application which was created in OO
calc. Users of may application don't need those lines, since various copy
operations of cell blocks will be done with the help of macros. Limits of cell
blocks should be determined only programmatically. No direct user interaction
is allowed.

I hope, you correct the behaviour of LO and introduce an option to turn it off.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35077] [UI] Add an OPTION to switch off special effects, such as flashing lines around copy source cell(s)

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Arnolf Best xabc...@gazeta.pl changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||libreoffice-b...@lists.free
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 35077] [UI] Add an OPTION to switch off special effects, such as flashing lines around copy source cell(s)

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35077

Kohei Yoshida kohei.yosh...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #13 from Kohei Yoshida kohei.yosh...@gmail.com 2012-02-01 
14:11:36 UTC ---
Don't add me please.  I'm not interested.

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