Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Thu, 2019-06-27 at 15:22 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available > + offering things to OSS projects – but looks like oss-fuzz > + seem to be pushing hard to encourage people to use it > + may look on return from vacation For the record, there is also https://fuzzbuzz.io/ , which appears to be another of the same. (Automatic fuzzing is becoming popular, eh?) But I don't think there's much value in using another service that uses the same fuzzing engine(s) internally... D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP libs in bugzilla
Hi, On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 01:11:59PM +0100, Xisco Fauli wrote: > Hi David, *, > > all libs are under Document Liberation Project component now. Thanks! You forgot to update https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/describecomponents.cgi , though. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP libs in bugzilla
Hi, On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 05:20:27PM +0200, Xisco Fauli wrote: > Hello, > > Ok, I'll work on it. I've just created a new ticket in redmine: > https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2381 Thanks. The full list is libabw, libcdr, libetonyek, libfreehand, libmspub, libpagemaker, libvisio. Then there are two new libs that don't have any bugzilla entry yet: libqxp and libzmf. And I would also like to have components for libs that are hosted elsewhere (as bugs for them are reported in TDF bugzilla anyway): libe-book, libstaroffce, libmwaw, libwpd, libwpg, libwps. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] DLP libs in bugzilla
Hello, Ever since we moved to TDF bugzilla, the DLP libs (libcdr, libvisio, etc..) have existed as separate products. In addition to them, there is also a catch-all 'Document Liberation Project' product. This layout was questioned in the past: various people were suggesting that the libs should be just components of the DLP product (e.g., https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2015-February/008494.html). I opposed this in the past, but I've changed my mind after a recent discussion with Jay. So, if there's any supporter of this move with Bugzilla superpowers (Cloph? Xisco?), please go ahead and do it... D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 08:22:04AM +1000, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > On 31 Mar 2017, at 10:59 pm, David Tardon <dtar...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 04:08:18PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > >> * Crashtest update (Caolan) > >>+ Google / ossfuzz: 24 fuzzers active now, unchanged > >>+ not added any more tests – existing giving out enough noise > >>+ lots of horsepower: they are also testing for local leaks & hangs > >> + previously ignoring those; lots in this category. > >>+ fast-hangs are more interesting than timeout – but fixing ... > > > > As I missed the call yesterday... > > > > I've started adding DLP libraries to oss-fuzz. There are 2 active fuzzers > > so far: for libmspub and OLE2 parser in librevenge. I have > > submitted pull requests for 3 more: libcdr, libpagemaker and libwpd. > > Another 2, libwpg and libvisio, are in progress. I plan to add all the > > libraries ultimately (if Google allows :-) > > > > The yield is rather low, which is good. After all, the libraries have been > > fuzzed quite extensively in the past... > > > > D. > > Ah! After months (a year or more?) of being away from LO I noticed a whole > bunch of fuzzing files... that's amazing work! A real boon for LibreOffice > David, great work. Actually the fuzzers in LibreOffice are Caolan's work. Fuzzers for DLP libs are in the libs themselves. > Is there a wiki page on how to use and integrate fuzzing? Nothing LibreOffice-specific, no. You can look at https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/blob/master/docs/new_project_guide.md and bin/oss-fuzz-build . D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 04:08:18PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > * Crashtest update (Caolan) > + Google / ossfuzz: 24 fuzzers active now, unchanged > + not added any more tests – existing giving out enough noise > + lots of horsepower: they are also testing for local leaks & hangs > + previously ignoring those; lots in this category. > + fast-hangs are more interesting than timeout – but fixing ... As I missed the call yesterday... I've started adding DLP libraries to oss-fuzz. There are 2 active fuzzers so far: for libmspub and OLE2 parser in librevenge. I have submitted pull requests for 3 more: libcdr, libpagemaker and libwpd. Another 2, libwpg and libvisio, are in progress. I plan to add all the libraries ultimately (if Google allows :-) The yield is rather low, which is good. After all, the libraries have been fuzzed quite extensively in the past... D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-12-11
Hi, On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 04:42:50PM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > + Save button behavior (Samuel) > > + Save contains "Save as" and "Save remote" in a dropdown > + Dropdown was disabled when "Save" was disabled > -> Made the button dropdown only when save disabled > https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/20079/ > + However, this is quite irritating (button has two different modes, user > doesn't know why he can't click save and later he can) > + Also users missing indication whether document is saved > + possible solutions: > + make only the dropdown active > + move the functionality to Save As > + what do you want from that button? (Heiko) > + is there a good reason to disable Save in the first place? (Heiko) > + we already have a user setting to enable Save all the time > (Kendy) > + moving to Save As is a problem: wanted to hide it in the default toolbar > + Save status is in the status bar too (Kendy) > + not many people know about that though (Heiko) > + the information could be in the tooltip; even with additional info > (Document is saved / Document is modified / ...) (Kendy) +1 (Stuart) > + eg. MSO has that enabled all the time (Samuel) We could add "Edited" (or "Modified") to the title bar, like Apple Keynote/Pages/Numbers do (they do not have "Save" in the toolbar, but the menu item is always active too). D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Propose new keywords want-valgrind and have-valgrind
Hi, On Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 07:40:20AM -0700, julien2412 wrote: > Hello, > > In the same way, we got keywords "want-backtrace" and "have-backtrace" in > Bugzilla, it could be useful to have "want-valgrind" and "have-valgrind". > The goal is to re > Moreover, we already have a link how to do it (even if for the moment, it's > only for Linux) > :https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/Debug_Information#GNU.2FLinux:_How_to_get_a_Valgrind_log. > > Any thoughts? I think this is both too specific and too generic. On one side, valgrind is only one of available memory debuggers: there is also ASAN (granted, it requires a specific setup) or DrMemory on Windows. On the other side, memory checker is only one of the valgrind tools (albeit the default one). Maybe "want-memtrace" or "want-memcheck"? (I prefer the latter.) D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?
Hi, On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 02:06:30PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: On 02/09/2015 08:59 AM, Florian Reisinger wrote: Hi, I guess I did miss something... I thought, that the projects of DLP are added as Components of the DLP. The LibreOffice option is so well hidden in the list of products +1. I made a redmine issue about this...I really think it's looking not user friendly at this point. I disagree. The libraries are separate projects, not components of a single project. Also, an user reporting a bug for one of the libraries might not even know about DLP. So hiding the libraries under DLP label would not be user friendly. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?
Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:17:10PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 01:46:24PM +0100, David Tardon wrote: I disagree. The libraries are separate projects, not components of a single project. Also, an user reporting a bug for one of the libraries might not even know about DLP. So hiding the libraries under DLP label would not be user friendly. True from a technical point of view. But being the devils advocate here: Maybe DLP should consider syncing these separate projects and release them as a consistent collection. I do not even quite understand what you mean by it. To merge all the libraries into one? Or to always release everything whether there has been any change or not? I do not see any advantage in doing that. All I can see are disadvantages. We do not want one library to rule them all, with 42 MB tarball and dozens of dependencies. We want small, independent libraries, that other projects can use as they need them. There is currently _one_ project that uses _all_ DLP libraries and that is LibreOffice. Every other project uses just a few of them. If anything, LibreOffice (and in a different realm: systemd) has shown this to have significant marketing, branding and release engineering advantages. How would it help with any of that? I would still have to do the same pre-release work and there would be the same online announcement. Only it would not be for a single library but for a consistent collection. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] DLP Projects as products?
Hi, On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 02:06:30PM -0800, Joel Madero wrote: On 02/09/2015 08:59 AM, Florian Reisinger wrote: Hi, I guess I did miss something... I thought, that the projects of DLP are added as Components of the DLP. The LibreOffice option is so well hidden in the list of products +1. I made a redmine issue about this...I really think it's looking not user friendly at this point. Btw, why is this suddenly a problem? There were dozens of products in FreeDesktop bugzilla... D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] And then there were two...
Hi, On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 08:22:50AM +0100, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:21 PM, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: - libabw - libcdr - libetonyek - libfreehand - libmspub - libpagemaker - libvisio The libraries are all versioned separately, right? I'm thinking: one product for each library, and a general 'DLP' product as a catch-all for everything else. That sound good? Yes, very good. Products created. * other - cppunit - libexttextcat - libgltf Products created. Thanks. I've stubbed-in pages for libexttextcat and cppunit on the TDF wiki. If development and bug tracking is living under TDF infra now, perhaps the entire page should be migrated-over: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/cppunit/ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Cppunit http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libexttextcat/ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Libexttextcat Thanks. This is something I wanted to do too, but never found the time... D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] And then there were two...
Hi, On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 08:01:34AM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:42 AM, David Tardon dtar...@redhat.com wrote: Of course, these are not the only products we have... From the top of my head, there are: * DLP Oh, definitely! DLP is one of the primary reasons why I wanted to make sure it was the TDF Bugzilla, and not just the LibreOffice Bugzilla :-) - libabw - libcdr - libetonyek - libfreehand - libmspub - libpagemaker - libvisio The libraries are all versioned separately, right? I'm thinking: one product for each library, and a general 'DLP' product as a catch-all for everything else. That sound good? Yes, very good. * other - cppunit - libexttextcat - libgltf And one each for these, I assume? Yes. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] And then there were two...
Hi, On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 03:54:50AM -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: Bugzilla Products Table (bug counts): Impress Remote - 1 LibreOffice - 33642 Of course, these are not the only products we have... From the top of my head, there are: * DLP - libabw - libcdr - libetonyek - libfreehand - libmspub - libpagemaker - libvisio * other - cppunit - libexttextcat - libgltf D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org: [Bug 79811] FILESAVE: Make Hybrid PDF just another format for Save commands instead of Export.]
Hi, could we block this user's bugzilla account? He is apparently a troll and all attempts to reason with him have failed. D. - Forwarded message from bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org - Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 14:04:05 + From: bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org To: dtar...@redhat.com Subject: [Bug 79811] FILESAVE: Make Hybrid PDF just another format for Save commands instead of Export. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79811 Aleve Sicofante asicofa...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED Resolution|WONTFIX |--- Ever confirmed|1 |0 --- Comment #29 from Aleve Sicofante asicofa...@gmail.com --- OK. I'm leaving this vipers nest now. Will try to explain this suggestion to people with higher responsibilities in LibreOffice or eventually migrate to an application that respects their users and don't respond to suggestions with the absurdly agressive hostility I've experienced here. Not exactly a challenge, btw; it's unlikely ANY organization who cares about end users would treat people with the attitued shown here by recognized members of the community. Shame on you. Bye. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. - End forwarded message - ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] is fdo#81113 a release blocker for 4.3.0?
Hi all, Any opinions on $SUBJECT? The bug has got importance highest/critical; unfortunately it was triaged a day too late... Note that this is just one possible manifestation of the problem: the same misdetection (and failure to open the file) can happen whenever a remote file is opened. It depends on whether the file is detected before the Keynote filter is tried. Review for -4-3 is https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/10357 . D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Is there any way to map bugs to commits.
Hi, On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 01:42:52PM +0800, ANiKET JAiN wrote: Hi, Various bugs identified in LibreOffice are listed at https://bugs.freedesktop.org; with specific id's. I want to map those bugs to specific commits, so that i can know which files were changed because of that bug. Usually, developers specify those bug id's during the comment of a commit, which is not specified in case of LibreOffice. Why do you think we do not do that? Have you even looked? We even have a git hook that adds a link to the commit as a comment to the bug... So, can you suggest me any other way by which i can map bugs to commits. Yes. You can use git bisect to find the commit that fixed the problem described in a bug report. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:40:31AM +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote: + turn on mergedlibs LTO for Windows - any objections ? (Michael) Anyway, I tried building on Windows with --enable-mergelibs=all, did not succeed. Build stops when linking the chartcontrollerlo library, no imerged.lib found. And indeed I don't see any *merge*.lib anywhere in workdir or instdir. Incidentally, this does not work on Linux either. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:16:24PM +0200, David Tardon wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 05:09:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * Bundled extensions (Stephan) 2. External extensions. These are merely copied to solver from $TARBALL_LOCATION (in extras/Package_extensions.mk). It would be very easy to unpack them and copy them to instdir instead (i.e., what is needed is to create an UnpackedTarball and ExternalPackage for every one of them and change ARCHIVE for FILELIST in scp2). There is 14 of these extensions in extras, plus ct2n which is already repacked during build. If this is agreed upon, I suggest to move the makefiles to a new module, e.g., extensions, as extras is cluttered enough already. This would be very suitable for an easy hack. Since there were no reactions to this at all, I am going to propose unpacking these extensions to instdir as an easy hack. The makefiles are going to be in external/extensions. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 05:09:34PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * Bundled extensions (Stephan) So, some extra thoughts / suggestions for that: There are two categories of extensions: 1. Internal extensions. These are built from sources and include presentation-minimizer, nlpsolver, wiki-publisher and mysql-connector-ooo. I think it should be easy to add a GeneratedPackage into the Extension gbuild class that copies the extension root dir from workdir to the right place in instdir. (The .oxt file will still be produced and copied to solver, but I do not think this is worth any more effort. Much better way to spend one's time would be to convert these extensions to optional components.) I will look into this tomorrow. 2. External extensions. These are merely copied to solver from $TARBALL_LOCATION (in extras/Package_extensions.mk). It would be very easy to unpack them and copy them to instdir instead (i.e., what is needed is to create an UnpackedTarball and ExternalPackage for every one of them and change ARCHIVE for FILELIST in scp2). There is 14 of these extensions in extras, plus ct2n which is already repacked during build. If this is agreed upon, I suggest to move the makefiles to a new module, e.g., extensions, as extras is cluttered enough already. This would be very suitable for an easy hack. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 03:54:19PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * Header rename script (Bjoern) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3367/ + if run the script, everything succeeds, and it builds. + at this stage - it ignores sal - which is magic somehow + use it as-is move ahead. + do the remaining cleanup afterwards. I pushed a sequence of follow-up reviews that move cppu, cppuhelper, sal and salhelper headers, stop copying generated UNO API headers to $(OUTDIR) and do several more assorted cleanups. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Status NEW but Assigned to Someone - Please Change
Hi, On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 02:46:11PM -0800, bfo wrote: I read this data as NEW backlog - nobody is interested in those reports. IMHO QA hard work to transform a bug into NEW state is pretty much wasted, as I consider NEW stated bugs as ready to start fixing... There are only so many developers. And to fix a bug typically takes more time than to triage it. We are in need of NEW triaging marathon. ASSIGN, RESOLVE or WONTFIX to clear the room for new NEW bugs... I think explicitly setting a bug to ASSIGNED is pretty much pointless. You cannot force a developer to start working on a bug just because he has been assigned to it; on the other side, seeing that a bug is already assigned might discourage others from taking it. Similarly, setting a confirmed bug to WONTFIX just before nobody has fixed it in a certain period of time (if we really do not want to/cannot fix it, it should have already been marked appropriately during triage) brings us no positive effect (except having smaller number of opened bugs--maybe). One negative effect that immediately comes to mind is that all the triaging work will need to be repeated from scratch the next time someone reports the same bug. Therefore, the only possible reason for a triaging marathon like you suggested is to identify (and dispose of) bugs already fixed in the newest release (or, preferably, master). D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 04:23:05PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: + Widget layout localisation performance + lots of .ui files to localise per language slow ... We already discussed that on IRC yesterday. I am going to fix that over Christmas. (The uiex tool already supports creating more localizations in the same run, just like the other *ex tools. But the gbuild UI class needs a bit of refactoring to allow that.) D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:05:02PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: On 10/11/12 17:46, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Alex, On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 10:51 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: I see your points and concerns. Couldn't we have, as a potential alternative, a hack (easy or not, I wouldn't know) to replace the current implementations with something more manageable (if indeed that is possible, and however that might be defined) ? I'd love to see those pieces split out to be extensions that you can download use if you want to (personally). That's presumably quite some chunk of work though. that would be possible, but there are some open questions as to how to best accomplish it: the problem is that non-URE jars are used, which is not allowed for extensions. but that seems fixable: the used jars seem to be the external bsh / rhino and internal ScriptingFramework, the latter containing common code for BeanShell/JavaScript/Java script providers. the ScriptProviderForPython is already an extension so there is some prior art on how to do it. also, until commit a72a7dc500ffd57662e8b9be61e4676266861c33 the java ones were extensions too. the following options come to mind: 1) add ScriptFramework.jar to the URE this would require maintaining binary compatibility; i have no idea if that is appropriate here I think ScriptFramework is pretty stable. The only change I remember during the whole LibreOffice lifetime is update to java 1.5: use of generics etc. 2) have 3 extensions and duplicate the ScriptFramework jar in each of them; would that actually work if you install more than one of them? 3) have 1 extension that contains ScriptFramework plus all 3 script providers 4) create UNO API for ScriptFramework which can be used by the providers (no idea how much work this would mean. I just wanted to add it here for the sake of completeness.) D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA work with Windows Tinderbox builds -- need help
Hi, On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:24:18AM -0700, V Stuart Foote wrote: The commit for this issue was pushed down to the 3.6 tree, but is there a way to determine if a specific TinderBox has refreshed and is using a particular source? I used Fridrich Strba's TB - 9 Voreppe 2012-10-22 23.52.55 time stamped build of Windows x86, and I assume the commit had made it into the build. But I'm not sure how I would confirm it did. I didn't see the source in the modules in the build log, is there some sort of manifest of what gets built that can be consulted--or do you have to ask the administrator of the TB? There is a text file called something_build_info.txt next to the installer. It contains (besides other things) SHAs of the top commits in each of the four repos. Then it is only a matter of checking the output of git log sha in appropriate repo. (It is probably doable with cgit too, but I do not use it much, so I do not know.) D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.6.2
Hi, On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 03:58:42PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: Hi All, Thread started on tdf discuss list that is asking why 3.6.2 isn't showing here: http://www.libreoffice.org/download I think we only show the version that is officially recommended. We do not offer automatic update to 3.6.x yet, either. It's still only showing on the pre-release page. It was my understanding that 3.6.2 is final. It is. We are at 3.6.3 RC1 now. Also is it correct that we had 3.6.2.1 RC and now it's 3.6.2.2 final? There is no 3.6.2.0 release? Just trying to understand the naming convention. The numbering of RCs starts with .1. The last RC (typically RC2 - .2) is exactly equivalent to the final release--we just copy the files to a different directory on the download site. So, for 3.6.2, we had: - 3.6.2.1 (RC1) - 3.6.2.2 (RC2) - this later become 3.6.2.2 (final) D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Closing bugs in bugzilla: fixed in master or fixed everywhere?
Hi, On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 10:46:24AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: I'd like to check if maybe I misunderstood our bugzilla handling standards. I thought we close the bug when the fix is committed in all branches where it should be, and that's what I was doing in the bugs I was fixing. But obviously, if our community standards are the other way round, I'll follow them. I asked because I have now lived several times now that several developers close a bug I'm CCed to as soon as they commit the fix to master. To me, RESOLVED/FIXED means simply the bug is fixed. Which it is as soon as I push the fix into master. The disadvantage of the latter method is that these bugs appear crossed out in the most annoying (and other) lists. Its advantage, maybe, is that it goes away from said developer's list: their job is finished so it should get the hell out of their TODO list. Right. Because the next step, review of my proposed fix for inclusion in older branch(es), depends on _other_ developers. I've come to see this last point as not completely obvious, and maybe even wrong: when I commit a fix to master, I regard it as also my job to get it backported to the other branches, Nobody has claimed otherwise. so my job on this bug is _not_ finished, so it makes sense for it to linger in my TODO list until the fix is everywhere it should. But this part is handled separately from bugzilla, via the ML (or gerrit). D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-08-24
Hi, On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 05:40:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi all, the next qa call is on 2012-08-24 1400UTC. Prototype agenda below. Additions welcome, although its already packed: lots of stuff moving recently ;) Best, Bjoern QA Call prototype agenda: pending action items: - betas for Fedora (Caolan) What exactly does this mean? We do build beta (and RC) releases for Rawhide. We do not (and will not) do it for released branches, because Fedora has no global unstable/testing repo (if you want the latest software, you are expected to use the latest release) and our personal space on fedorapeople.org is too small to hold the rpms for both supported architectures for even one supported release. (Also, I am too lazy to do the necessary backporting.) D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice QA Call 2012-08-24
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 08:58:51AM +0200, David Tardon wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 05:40:50PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi all, the next qa call is on 2012-08-24 1400UTC. Prototype agenda below. Additions welcome, although its already packed: lots of stuff moving recently ;) Best, Bjoern QA Call prototype agenda: pending action items: - betas for Fedora (Caolan) What exactly does this mean? We do build beta (and RC) releases for Rawhide. We do not (and will not) do it for released branches, because Fedora has no global unstable/testing repo (if you want the latest software, you are expected to use the latest release) and our personal space on fedorapeople.org is too small to hold the rpms for both supported architectures for even one supported release. (Also, I am too lazy to do the necessary backporting.) I should add that it is generally possible to use libreoffice from Rawhide on older release, i.e., yum install fedora-release-rawhide yum update --enablerepo=rawhide libreoffice* What typically causes problems is poppler, that has a version bump in every Fedora release. Because ~half of the installed packages depend on it, it makes the update unadvisable :-) But poppler is only required by libreoffice-pdfimport (which is again required by libreoffice-draw), so yum remove libreoffice-draw libreoffice-pdfimport helps there. (Unless you specifically want to test Draw, in which case I suggest to install Rawhide into a virtual machine rather than breaking your system by a half-upgrade.) Then, if you want to go back yum downgrade libreoffice* # and any libs that might have been updated D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 10:49:09AM +0200, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: David Tardon schrieb: Sorry, but I do not understand your question. What purpose would that serve? What should be the outcome of it? Hi David, currently there is some big excitement concerning Database bugs [1], mostly Report Builder on disc...@de.libreoffice.org Reports are mostly lousy bad, it will take some work (and so time) to figure out what exactly will have to be fixed. Discussion in Mailing list shows nothing what might need urgent action except Bug 52639, where currently much research is going on, because it's difficult to reproduce that problem. I can report shortly in next Call, but I doubt that there can be done a lot. We simply need complete reports and manpower to fix known bugs. There simply is a lot of ignorance and misunderstanding on disc...@de.libreoffice.org, it seems they believe all developers are sitting around bored and need some pushing of German users so that they start working. I increasingly get into a bad mood seeing all that noise for nothing. Ah... Thanks for the explanation. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 04:50:28PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * cppunit / build issues (Stephan/Moggi/Michael) + indifferent about --disable-xmlsec + only intended for iOS / Android currently, should not be used on Linux. + configure should check fail if this option is set for non iOS / Android We use --disable-xmlsec for mingw builds too (it most probably means libxmlsec does not cross-compile with mingw ATM; I do not remember). * MSI cross-compilation from Linux (Tibby) + been merged to master + java enabled / compilation issues + help with build process / location of uuidgen using undocumented parameters etc. What is the exact problem here? Note that the uuidgen binary from util-linux is not the one to use. There is another one (at least in Fedora) called uuid (from package uuid), that seems to be command-line-option-compatible with the Windows' uuidgen.exe . There is even a check for it in configure, but it only issues warning if it is not found (if we are going to always generate the MSI, it should be changed to error). D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of the libreoffice qa call 2012-06-14
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:50:37PM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi all, here are the minutes of todays QA call. community building/communication (Cor?): - beta testers for 3.6.0 beta 1 - 3.6.0 beta 1 available in ppa (Bjoern) - Wheres a good howto? (Florian) - http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/libreoffice-360-beta-1-released-ubuntu.html - best to install in a VM still - unfortunately no ppa stats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1006323 - so far 16 beta bug reports in the first two weeks (vs. 25 for 3.5) - might just be better quality - we need more beta testers AI:- Are there any Bug Hunting Sessions in the pipe? (Cors) - SUSE will prepare packages for the beta for testing too (Petr) AI: - Could Fedora do this too? (Caolan?) I plan to prepare them during this week. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Bugzilla Version Picker items – 2
Hi, On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 03:45:11PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: 4. Ubuntu/Debian: - + 3.X.Y~alphaZ - for alpha releases + 3.X.Y~betaZ- for beta releases + 3.X.Y.Z- for release candidates I really like this solution. It seems to have everything. We just need to make sure that the tilda '~' is handled correctly and does not break some tools. It seems that RPM handles it correctly. I am going to check Build service, and zypper. RPM may handle this version scheme, but it is not allowed in Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Pre-Release_packages . It is not really a problem, because the alpha/beta part can just be moved to release--I just thought it should be mentioned. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:04:41AM +0200, David Tardon wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 08:32:47AM +0200, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 09:00:51PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + 3.6 status + connectivity, reportreader, shell, scp2 + will enable adding 10-12 modules to tail_build. + will merge next week, in time for 3.6 I should clarify this item a bit for the people who did not attend the call: it is about gbuild conversions I have done recently but have not merged into master yet. So it would be better phrased as: + pending gbuild conversions: connectivity, reportbuilder, shell, scp2 + ... And there are some numbers regarding gbuild conversions (inferred from my current master checkout with a bit of help from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Build_System/Module_status): Update :-) modules: 218 + 4*[1] converted: 122 + 1*[2] - internal: 121 + 1 - external: 1*[3] not converted: 79 + 1*[4] - internal: 15 + 1*[5] - external: 64*[6] ignored: 4 + 1*[7] nothing to convert: 2*[8] special: 5*[9] pending: 5*[A] in progress: 1 + 1*[B] *1 X + Y means X modules from repository core, Y modules from other repositories *2 about 35 of these came from OO.o *3 the lucky winner is clucene :-) *4 these do not include pending and in-progress conversions *5 including guw and migrationanalysis, which may not be relevant anymore *7 autodoc, cosv, dmake, udm + binfilter *8 distro-configs, icon-themes *9 android, ios, cross_tail_build, cross_toolset, tail_build *A connectivity, reportbuilder, scp2, shell, testtools *B pyuno + helpcontent2 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 09:00:51PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + 3.6 status + connectivity, reportreader, shell, scp2 + will enable adding 10-12 modules to tail_build. + will merge next week, in time for 3.6 I should clarify this item a bit for the people who did not attend the call: it is about gbuild conversions I have done recently but have not merged into master yet. So it would be better phrased as: + pending gbuild conversions: connectivity, reportbuilder, shell, scp2 + ... D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 08:32:47AM +0200, David Tardon wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 09:00:51PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + 3.6 status + connectivity, reportreader, shell, scp2 + will enable adding 10-12 modules to tail_build. + will merge next week, in time for 3.6 I should clarify this item a bit for the people who did not attend the call: it is about gbuild conversions I have done recently but have not merged into master yet. So it would be better phrased as: + pending gbuild conversions: connectivity, reportbuilder, shell, scp2 + ... And there are some numbers regarding gbuild conversions (inferred from my current master checkout with a bit of help from https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Build_System/Module_status): modules: 219 + 4*[1] converted: 120 + 1*[2] - internal: 119 + 1 - external: 1*[3] not converted: 83 + 1*[4] - internal: 18 + 1*[5] - external: 65*[6] ignored: 4 + 1*[7] nothing to convert: 2*[8] special: 5*[9] pending: 4*[A] in progress: 1 + 1*[B] *1 X + Y means X modules from repository core, Y modules from other repositories *2 about 35 of these came from OO.o *3 the lucky winner is clucene :-) *4 these do not include pending and in-progress conversions *5 including guw and migrationanalysis, which may not be relevant anymore *6 including lucene, which can be probably removed now *7 autodoc, cosv, dmake, udm + binfilter *8 distro-configs, icon-themes *9 android, ios, cross_tail_build, cross_toolset, tail_build *A connectivity, reportbuilder, scp2, shell *B testtools + helpcontent2 It is plain to see we are finishing internal modules, which is nice :-) On the other side, we still need to come up with a viable way for converting external projects. D. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
