Re: IR and Palm Hotsync
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: The Armadillo with the Mask [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IR and Palm Hotsync Great! Thanks for the info! Unfortunately, I am already using these versions. Any chance of sending your config files? Specifically /etc/conf.modules, /etc/irda/drivers. I am going crazy trying to get this setup... Thanks, -- -Jim Jim Sheaferhttp://www.tux.org/~sheafer/ Here's a little something I wrote up as a result of my experiences in getting my lib to talk IR(even run PPP) to my Palm . Hope it helps... Steve The LINUX-PALM IRDA MINI-HOWTO What this is: An attempt to encapsulate what I've learned from setting up and running the Linux-IRDA Project's IRCOMM implementation between my Palm devices and my Linux Laptop(A Toshiba Libretto 70CT). Hopefully, it will help you with your efforts. What this is not: - A treatise on IRDA or the Linux-IRDA Project. You can find that kind of info at either http://www.irda.org or http://www.cs.uit.no/linux-irda. BEFORE YOU BEGIN If you have not yet configured and compiled your kernel to include the Linux-IRDA extensions, *STOP*. Put this down and go to the above mentioned sites for background and then read Werner Heuser's Linux-IR HOWTO at: http://home.snafu.de/wehe/IR-HOWTO.html Things here will make far more sense after you've read the stuff over there :) Platform and Experience: I have been able to successfully establish HotSync and PPP connections between my Palm IIIx, IIIxe and my Toshiba Libretto 70Ct using the built-in IRDA port and also using the Belkin SmartBeam dongle. The Libretto only has a SIR transceiver on it so you won't be able to get faster than 115200bps out of it. I make no guarantees, but since Toshiba are among the most proprietary hardware vendors implementing IRDA(and therefore the hardest to get this working) you really shouldn't have any problems. HotSync via IRCOMM: WHAT TO SET UP Linux Side: Protocols/Modules: IRDA, IRCOMM,IRTTY,IRPORT all configured as modules These will auto-load when needed if you have compiled your kernel with CONFIG_KMOD=y. If you did not do this, you will need to 'insmod modulename' in the following order: irda irtty ircomm-tty ircomm. Commands: irattach /dev/devname of the physical IR transceiver As in: irattach /dev/ttyS1 -s 1 setenv PILOTPORT /dev/ircomm0 setenv PILOTRATE 115200 (go slower if this doesn't work) DON'T run irmanager. It grabs control of the IRDA port and pilot-xfer won't be able to get through to the Palm. The more detailed explanation is that irmanager is designed to smartly manage the IRDA port for things like IRLAN. Pilot-xfer is just checking to see if ANYTHING else is using that port. If it can't exclusively lock the device, it dies. It won't even try to talk to irmanager. Palm Side: HotSync configured to use IRCOMM as connection/sync method. WHAT TO DO: From the Linux side, do: pilot-xfer --sync dest dir . From the Palm side start the HotSync session by tapping on the HotSync glyph on the Palm. (You DID remember to point your Palm's IRDA port at the IRDA port of your Linux system right? :) ) WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN: After about 5 seconds you should hear the familiar sync-up chimes, followed later, by the sync-down chime when the Palm is finished. It may take a few seconds for the two to connect, esp. if the two IR ports aren't aligned well, flourescent light in the room, etc. Don't worry if you don't immediately hear the sync tones. I've had it take as long as 10 seconds for me. IF IT DOESN'T WORK: Do an 'lsmod'. Make sure that all the modules are loaded. You should see results similar to this: chameleon:~lsmod Module Size Used by smc91c92_cs15088 1 irtty 7484 2 (autoclean) ircomm-tty 32096 2 (autoclean) ircomm 14236 0 (autoclean) [ircomm-tty] irda 146369 2 (autoclean) [irtty ircomm-tty ircomm] ds 6184 2 [smc91c92_cs] i82365 21108 2 pcmcia_core37952 0 [smc91c92_cs ds i82365] chameleon:~ If you don't see these, try to insmod them manually one at a time. This will either work or fail. If it fails, your modules aren't built correctly or loading properly. Go check /var/log and check things like kernel.log and syslog for recent messages. Also go back to Werner's IR-HOWTO mentioned at the top of this one and see if you missed anything. If it works, then you just need to remember to load the kernel modules by hand each time you reboot. (You should really rebuild your kernel to auto-load modules). COMMON MISTAKES:(I made, so you don't have to :) ) --irda not compiled as a module. It seems to like being a module more than a built-in for some reason. When configuring the kernel, check
H Re: Potato powered Libretto
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:25:29 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: H Re: Potato powered Libretto In a message dated 6/8/2000 12:40:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I must admit I looked at it and though 'h' and then I got my calculator out and decided they'd need at least a sack of spuds to get the current they'd need...It's one of those things: the volts are easy - just put the spuds in series - but the internal impedance of a spud cell is erm non-trivial. But I bought a friend in the States' son a spud powered clock for his birthday last year - that ran fine on about a microamp! Neil p.s. spud = potato (for those who may not speak English as a first language) *THIS IS A PERSONAL COMMENT, NOT THE VIEW OF THE VOA* (Whose views vary by the direction of the wind and the temperament of the Bureaucrats.) Thanks, Very helpful for us that speak American. I do know Special English from the VOA, as a second language, but it doesn't include "Spud". There are the Spuddy Buddies in a commercial for Idaho potatoes, so I cannot plead complete ignorance. Jim Ray, Phoenix, AZ, USA, 5 a.m. and 90 degrees F. A HREF="http://historic-glendale.net/granny_jean's_gifts.htm"Click here: Granny Jean's Gifts/A (crass commercial) Warning: Subjects with (H) may or may not contain humor. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
RE: IR and Palm Hotsync
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:24:58 +0200 From: "Alexandre Kaoukhov \(??. ? 2\)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IR and Palm Hotsync I think there is too much hype on Linux. I do not want to offence any Linux users feelings but after that letter the wish to take a try of this system just went away. Personally I feel rather computer literate but I have no much time to waste learning programming. To say about throwing away hard acquired skills learned through years. Alexandre -Original Message- From: The Armadillo with the Mask [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:26 AM To: Libretto Subject: Re: IR and Palm Hotsync Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: The Armadillo with the Mask [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IR and Palm Hotsync Great! Thanks for the info! Unfortunately, I am already using these versions. Any chance of sending your config files? Specifically /etc/conf.modules, /etc/irda/drivers. I am going crazy trying to get this setup... Thanks, -- -Jim Jim Sheaferhttp://www.tux.org/~sheafer/ Here's a little something I wrote up as a result of my experiences in getting my lib to talk IR(even run PPP) to my Palm . Hope it helps... Steve The LINUX-PALM IRDA MINI-HOWTO What this is: An attempt to encapsulate what I've learned from setting up and running the Linux-IRDA Project's IRCOMM implementation between my Palm devices and my Linux Laptop(A Toshiba Libretto 70CT). Hopefully, it will help you with your efforts. What this is not: - A treatise on IRDA or the Linux-IRDA Project. You can find that kind of info at either http://www.irda.org or http://www.cs.uit.no/linux-irda. BEFORE YOU BEGIN If you have not yet configured and compiled your kernel to include the Linux-IRDA extensions, *STOP*. Put this down and go to the above mentioned sites for background and then read Werner Heuser's Linux-IR HOWTO at: http://home.snafu.de/wehe/IR-HOWTO.html Things here will make far more sense after you've read the stuff over there :) Platform and Experience: I have been able to successfully establish HotSync and PPP connections between my Palm IIIx, IIIxe and my Toshiba Libretto 70Ct using the built-in IRDA port and also using the Belkin SmartBeam dongle. The Libretto only has a SIR transceiver on it so you won't be able to get faster than 115200bps out of it. I make no guarantees, but since Toshiba are among the most proprietary hardware vendors implementing IRDA(and therefore the hardest to get this working) you really shouldn't have any problems. HotSync via IRCOMM: WHAT TO SET UP Linux Side: Protocols/Modules: IRDA, IRCOMM,IRTTY,IRPORT all configured as modules These will auto-load when needed if you have compiled your kernel with CONFIG_KMOD=y. If you did not do this, you will need to 'insmod modulename' in the following order: irda irtty ircomm-tty ircomm. Commands: irattach /dev/devname of the physical IR transceiver As in: irattach /dev/ttyS1 -s 1 setenv PILOTPORT /dev/ircomm0 setenv PILOTRATE 115200 (go slower if this doesn't work) DON'T run irmanager. It grabs control of the IRDA port and pilot-xfer won't be able to get through to the Palm. The more detailed explanation is that irmanager is designed to smartly manage the IRDA port for things like IRLAN. Pilot-xfer is just checking to see if ANYTHING else is using that port. If it can't exclusively lock the device, it dies. It won't even try to talk to irmanager. Palm Side: HotSync configured to use IRCOMM as connection/sync method. WHAT TO DO: From the Linux side, do: pilot-xfer --sync dest dir . From the Palm side start the HotSync session by tapping on the HotSync glyph on the Palm. (You DID remember to point your Palm's IRDA port at the IRDA port of your Linux system right? :) ) WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN: After about 5 seconds you should hear the familiar sync-up chimes, followed later, by the sync-down chime when the Palm is finished. It may take a few seconds for the two to connect, esp. if the two IR ports aren't aligned well, flourescent light in the room, etc. Don't worry if you don't immediately hear the sync tones. I've had it take as long as 10 seconds for me. IF IT DOESN'T WORK: Do an 'lsmod'. Make sure that all the modules are loaded. You should see results similar to this: chameleon:~lsmod Module Size Used by smc91c92_cs15088 1 irtty 7484 2 (autoclean) ircomm-tty 32096 2 (autoclean) ircomm 14236 0 (autoclean) [ircomm-tty] irda 146369 2 (autoclean) [irtty ircomm-tty ircomm] ds 6184 2 [smc91c92_cs] i82365 21108 2 pcmcia_core37952 0 [smc91c92_cs ds i82365] chameleon:~ If you don't see these, try to insmod them manually one at a time. This will either work or
RE: Potato powered Libretto
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:17:00 +0200 From: "=?koi8-r?B?QWxleGFuZHJlIEthb3VraG92IFwo/MwuINDP3tTBIDJcKQ==?=" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Potato powered Libretto *THIS IS A PERSONAL COMMENT, NOT THE VIEW OF THE BBC* snip I think some sort of 'oops, we goofed' would have been nice though - have you sent them a mail to ask them? Snip In my opinion personal view is often more informative as one can learn more from discussion than from official announcement. I doubted about a fake. Thanks to you and Michael. I would like to add a comment about TV licenses. Here, in France we pay about ?80 per year. With a recent debate about were budget proficit should go proposition to cancel this tax was rejected because they feared social problems. There are so many people involved in this tax collection... Ridiculous. Alexandre ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
RE: IR and Palm Hotsync
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Sheafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IR and Palm Hotsync On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Alexandre Kaoukhov (??. ? 2) wrote: AKaouk I think there is too much hype on Linux. I do not want to offence any Linux AKaouk users feelings but after that letter the wish to take a try of this system AKaouk just went away. AKaouk Personally I feel rather computer literate but I have no much time to waste AKaouk learning programming. To say about throwing away hard acquired skills AKaouk learned through years. AKaouk Alexandre Well, no offense taken. But the same reason you don't want to learn linux is the reason I want to use it. I spend 10 hrs a day on various unix machines. I would come home at night, and not be able to do what I wanted in Windows, because I did not have the experience in it. Now I dual boot my libretto with linux and windows and I am much happier. There is little difference between what windows has to do and what linux has to do to use a piece of hardware. It's just that windows usually makes the choices for you and linux does not. Flexable systems are hard to configure, and inflexable systems are easy to configure. PalmOS syncing to Windows works out of the box because someone limited the flexability of the OS. PalmOS can PPP with Linux because someone made the generic building blocks and left it to you to use what you want. It is never good to have just one choice. The cool thing is now you and I can use our different environments on the same hardware and both learn about the hardware and the other OS on this list. I love the Internet... -- -Jim Jim Sheaferhttp://www.tux.org/~sheafer/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
