Re: DVD question
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Anyways, given the lower processor power of the older Librettos and the smaller size of VCDs, you may also want to consider VCD'ing everything (or buying them from your favorite stores in Singapore, etc. for $1-5 each). http://www.vcdhelp.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:36:26 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Chris and list, OK, I've learned a lot in the past few days. With regards to the Margi DVD-to-Go card: has anyone been able to get it to work playing DVD files from the HD? PLEASE read my other comments BELOW and look at: http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm This is just my opinion, but I think the facts will back it up. Thanks! Regards, Clinton Parker Chris Kalos wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote: NOTE: from what I've seen, the encrypting is mostly for PRICE FIXING - NOT copy protection!!! - there's NOTHING (physically) that prevents someone with a DVD writer from copying a DVD disk encryption and all - that copy would play on ANY DVD player - just as I said before, the movie companies are trying to control PRICES!! - WAKE UP PEOPLE - IT IS NOT COPY PROTECTION - IT'S OUR RIGHTS THEY ARE STEALING - DMCA is REAL BAD. Yes, DMCA is bad. However, there is a difference in terms of the Copy Protection. You can't burn a duplicate disk that easily, since the stuff available on the market is DVD-R General. You'd need the DVD-R Video disk to be recognized as one that the CSS descrambler should be used on. Ideally, you're right. Realistically, it's the same issue that early generation CD players had with CD-R's, where you have to pay an absurd amount extra per disk to play it anywhere (and not really anywhere, either, since many recent devices aren't CD-R capable, such as single laser DVD players) And it *is* copy protection. It's been taken to a sickening extreme, but it's copy protection. Good luck using the media that you paid for, right? Without backup capabilities, we're kinda stuck at the moment. That said, I'll be ripping my DVDs to DivX over time, and backing that up on hard disk, CD-R, and tape. NO, IT IS NOT COPY PROTECTION If is were, then you would have NO trouble copying a non-encrypted DVD to a DVD-R (and playing it back). I don't know that much about DVD-R, but the issues you mention have nothing to do with the encryption!!! The encryption is NOT processed in the DVD-ROM player, thus you could potentially make a DVD disk that is an exact copy of the encrypted disk (whether a drive or medium exists to make this copy on I don't know enough to say, but I know that it is possible to read the encrypted files off the DVD-ROM in the encrypted format). I also understand that it is possible to playback the encrypted files, copied from the DVD-ROM, on the HD. What if someone (and I am not advocating this) sent those encrypted files to someone else (OK, it might take some time, but as bandwidth increases this will be less and less of an issue). That person could also play those files from their PC (with the appropriate DVD software or hardware). Where is the copy protection??? Copy protection would involve doing something that would make it impossible (well difficult) to create a duplicate of the original DVD disk (similar to the way this has been done with protected software in the past). Encryption has NOTHING to do with this! It does affect your ability to edit the DVD material - which is a different issue. PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! This and DMCA is all a PLOY by the movie industry to allow them to do PRICE FIXING. Most other businesses (MS included) would find themselves in court for this. Why is the movie industry able to do this kind of PRICE FIXING and not find themselves in court (well actually, this is, in some regards, in court in that the constitutionality of DMCA is being challenged)??? PLEASE SEE: http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Kalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Let's try this again. Read below. And please, lay off the caps lock. CK On Fri, 18 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote: Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:36:26 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Chris and list, OK, I've learned a lot in the past few days. With regards to the Margi DVD-to-Go card: has anyone been able to get it to work playing DVD files from the HD? PLEASE read my other comments BELOW and look at: http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm This is just my opinion, but I think the facts will back it up. Thanks! Regards, Clinton Parker Chris Kalos wrote: On Thu, 17 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote: NO, IT IS NOT COPY PROTECTION If is were, then you would have NO trouble copying a non-encrypted DVD to a DVD-R (and playing it back). I So, you can copy an unencrypted disc. I thought we were talking about encrypted DVDs, ne? don't know that much about DVD-R, but the issues you mention have nothing to do with the encryption!!! The encryption is NOT processed in It has *everything* to do with the player. Not the DVD drive on a PC, maybe, but the standalone hardware player, which is the true point of control for the MPAA. the DVD-ROM player, thus you could potentially make a DVD disk that is an exact copy of the encrypted disk (whether a drive or medium exists to make this copy on I don't know enough to say, but I know that it is possible to read the encrypted files off the DVD-ROM in the encrypted format). I also understand that it is possible to playback the encrypted files, copied from the DVD-ROM, on the HD. What if someone (and I am not advocating this) sent those encrypted files to someone else (OK, it might take some time, but as bandwidth increases this will be less and less of an issue). That person could also play those files from their PC (with the appropriate DVD software or hardware). Where is the copy protection??? Copy protection would involve doing something that would make it impossible (well difficult) to create a duplicate of the original DVD disk (similar to the way this has been done with protected It *is* impossible to create a duplicate disc without special hardware and media. It simply won't descramble on a home deck if you use a DVD-General disc. software in the past). Encryption has NOTHING to do with this! It does affect your ability to edit the DVD material - which is a different issue. Also, consider this: Even the PC players were not *meant* to allow what we've been discussing. Just because it's been bypassed doesn't mean it's suddenly legal. Now, I'm not going to say that the law is right, because that's another issue altogether. PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! This and DMCA is all a PLOY by the movie industry to allow them to do PRICE FIXING. Most other businesses (MS included) would find themselves in court for this. Why is the movie industry able to do this kind of PRICE FIXING and not find themselves in court (well actually, this is, in some regards, in court in that the constitutionality of DMCA is being challenged)??? I never said it wasn't about price fixing. However, that's not the only issue. It's also about copy protection. I still don't see anyone making copies of these movies that we can play in a DVD player with the same quality video and 5.1 channel audio. VCDs don't match that, and affordable DVD copying hardware simply doesn't exist. The very nature of CSS was to protect the data from being copied. So they blundered. It doesn't stop their initial intent. Macrovision was added to ensure that the stream couldn't be dumped to VHS. That too can probably be bypassed. Again, not their fault. CSS was *intended* to be hard to break, if not impossible. It failed. That doesn't make it open season on DVDs without any legal repercussions. Granted, the DMCA protects the poorly devised protection schemes in a somewhat insidious way, but that's besides the point. We all know it's a bad law. Now, if you want to talk about price fixing on DVDs, why don't you mention region coding? *That's* the part of DVD technology that enables price fixing so readily. It might be a part of CSS, but it's not all of it. If it were only about region coding, then why encrypt it? PLEASE SEE: http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm More information provided to make all of this seem ok. It's not. If you want to make a difference, we have to handle this from the legal aspect, not by shattering the industry and flooding the 'net with DivX copies of every film known to man. Once the DMCA is repealed (which will have to happen,) we'll have a lot more breathing room. That said, I think we've strayed too much from the topic of the Libretto
Re: DVD question
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:20:15 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Chris Kalos wrote: So, you can copy an unencrypted disc. I thought we were talking about encrypted DVDs, ne? I used that to illustrate the point I was trying to make. That one could also copy the encrypted data files on a DVD-ROM just as easily (not that I am advocating this). You do not have to decrypt the files to copy them! It *is* impossible to create a duplicate disc without special hardware and media. It simply won't descramble on a home deck if you use a DVD-General disc. The fact that it might be costly to get hardware and media (at least for now) that will do this, does not change the fact that it can be done. Your argument is simply saying that the media is the copy protection, not the encryption. If the media and recorders become reasonably priced (as happened with CD-R), you will quickly see how meaningless your argument is. I am sure that the MPAA knows this and that is why they are doing everything they can to paint a false claim that this is copy protection. Sorry, the facts just don't support this claim. Once copied, the DVD player is quite happy to do the decryption for you when it plays back the copy. So where is the copy protection? Answer: the encryption does not offer any! Think about this. The encryption offers some access protection (for price fixing and distribution control by MPAA, etc. ...) but it offers NO copy protection. The MPAA is just trying to sell you and everyone else on this so that they can justify it's (CSS) existence and the need for a law to protect CSS (and thus use it for price fixing). As I original said, I am not trying to do anything illegal. It is not illegal to copy, for personal use, the encrypted files from the DVD-ROM disk, that I own, to my HD. I am not decrypting them, the DVD player will do this when it plays back the video. I am just trying to find out what (legal) hardware and/or software is available (if any) to do this so that I can play back the HD copy of the DVD on my Libretto 100CT. It really should not be that complicated and sorry for getting off topic. I really would like to do this. Just trying to find out how - legally. Regards, Clinton Parker see: http://www.digital-digest.com/nickyguides/piracy-info.htm for a better description of this than I can give ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
RE: DVD question
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:38:57 +0200 From: Alexandre Kaoukhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DVD question -Original Message- From: Clinton Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:23 PM To: Libretto Subject: Re: DVD question As I original said, I am not trying to do anything illegal. But who cares? Personally I would like to watch only illegal movies downloaded from internet thus boycotting producers. I feel personally offended by those companies as they splitted the world. Now Russia is in the zone 5 along with Africa while I am living in zone 2. For some reasons there are no Russian films in Paris. Am I supposed to buy two players? MRIAA are just bunch of greedy persons ancapable to see more than its nose. Unfortunately, neither Divx offer quality I want nor the number of films I see per month would justify paying broadband access. This is my point of view. It may be different from your's. I know your arguments and I understand them. I do understand that artists need support but you have also agree that customers should not be viewed as shit. Cheers, Alexandre ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
RE: DVD question
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:10:17 +0200 From: Alexandre Kaoukhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DVD question I have tested grabbing vob files. It did work but the problem is that Margi player somehow refused using hardware decompression while playing from HD. Thus, I just got about 5-10 fps - the same as PowerDVD. There should be some DVD emulators available. Do not know if this would allow to cheat Margi player. I will give it a try when I get some time. Another option is to convert DVD to VCD and then emulate VCD. Margi specs say that it plays VCDs. I have never tried DIVx but I wonder how it could be possible to play them even on overclocked Libretto. Even if it works, how about thermal shutdowns? Anyway, unless you download films from the net it should take more than overnight to convert DVD to DIVx. The same is true for VCDs. Alexandre ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:19:15 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Alexandre, Thank you! This is good and bad news. The good new is that this is just as I had suspected. It is possible to copy the raw (encrypted) files from the DVD disk. From what I have seen, it is the decoder that does both the decrypting and mpeg decoding. Thus if the decoder will process the files from the HD that's it - just what I was looking for. From what I can tell, this is perfectly legal too (all of the decrypting and decoding are being done by an approved device. NOTE: from what I've seen, the encrypting is mostly for PRICE FIXING - NOT copy protection!!! - there's NOTHING (physically) that prevents someone with a DVD writer from copying a DVD disk encryption and all - that copy would play on ANY DVD player - just as I said before, the movie companies are trying to control PRICES!! - WAKE UP PEOPLE - IT IS NOT COPY PROTECTION - IT'S OUR RIGHTS THEY ARE STEALING - DMCA is REAL BAD. The bad news: Margi is the only PCMCIA hardware decoder that I know about. Maybe there is some way to get it to play properly off the HD? Does anyone know about any other PCMCIA decoders? Would they work? DVD software just won't cut it on the 100CT - it's too slow. Any Margi users out there have any help? TIA Regards, Clinton Parker Alexandre Kaoukhov wrote: Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 22:10:17 +0200 From: Alexandre Kaoukhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: DVD question I have tested grabbing vob files. It did work but the problem is that Margi player somehow refused using hardware decompression while playing from HD. Thus, I just got about 5-10 fps - the same as PowerDVD. There should be some DVD emulators available. Do not know if this would allow to cheat Margi player. I will give it a try when I get some time. Another option is to convert DVD to VCD and then emulate VCD. Margi specs say that it plays VCDs. I have never tried DIVx but I wonder how it could be possible to play them even on overclocked Libretto. Even if it works, how about thermal shutdowns? Anyway, unless you download films from the net it should take more than overnight to convert DVD to DIVx. The same is true for VCDs. Alexandre ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Kalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Well, I don't think you're meant to do this, so if anyone *can* help you, be aware that we're talking about DMCA violations regardless. With that in mind, let's see if I care... nope! A UDF dump may be a tad tricky, so your best bet might be to actually rip the whole thing and re-encode as a DivX. My 110 handles DivX just fine, but you may need to O/C your 100 to make it work. If you want a hardware solution to ripping this, it'll cost ya. Components: DVD player, CardBus FireWire card, DV converter. You'll need drivers for this, but the quality is excellent. You'll get a raw DV feed, which you'll need to re-encode, and then playback's nice and simple. I learned this when we needed to muck around with some video clips from a protected DVD. We weren't stealing the material, it never left our LAN, and no one's ever going to see it outside of the owner of the disc, really, but it's stilla DMCA violation. This country sure knows how to suck sometimes. CK On Wed, 16 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:52:05 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DVD question Hello List, I would like to find out what is required to load a movie from a DVD onto a 100CT HD (20 GB) and view it from there. I realize that it will require a PC Card decoder, so that is not the real issue (although I'd like to hear about experiences with that too). I'm not trying to do anything illegal. I just want to take some movies I own on trips with me so that I can view them on the road. I don't have a portable DVD player, but have one on the desktop and could transfer the file over the network to the Libby. I have seen posts before talking about doing this, so I believe that it is possible, but have not seen any details on how to do it or what software is available/needed. Please respond privately if you don't want to post to the list. TIA Regards, Clinton Parker ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:54:47 -0400 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question I would like to find out what is required to load a movie from a DVD onto a 100CT HD (20 GB) and view it from there. I realize that it will require a PC Card decoder, so that is not the real issue (although I'd like to hear about experiences with that too). This is an interesting approach. Since you can see the DVD files when read in Windows Explorer, why not copy them as a group? Start a DVD player application ( you will also probably NEED a Margi MPEG decoder card because the processor may not have the horsepower to run a software-MPEG application such as Power DVD ) and open a file which will have the .VOB extension. It should be as possible to play a DVD from a huge HDD just as it would be from a DVD player. Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:00:37 -0400 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Hi. I am interested in your approach but please: EXPLAIN: A UDF dump may be a tad tricky, EXPLAIN: so your best bet might be to actually rip the whole thing EXPLAIN: and re-encode as a DivX. My 110 handles DivX just fine, but you may need to O/C your 100 to make it work. EXPLAIN: If you want a hardware solution AS OPPOSED TO? to ripping this, it'll cost ya. Components: DVD player, CardBus FireWire card, EXPLAIN: DV converter. You'll need drivers for this, but the quality is excellent. EXPLAIN: You'll get a raw DV feed, EXPLAIN: which you'll need to re-encode, EXPLAIN: and then playback's nice and simple. I like the nice and simple part! This looks like a nice thing to do although perhaps entirely too time-consuming, but if it could be automated on an overnight task, maybe worth doing. If I had a big enough HDD to keep a movie or 2 on the Libretto, it could be great for plane rides and lonely hotel evenings. But, I thought DIVX was a dead marketing format? EXPLAIN: Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:12:31 -0700 From: Regis Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question But, I thought DIVX was a dead marketing format? EXPLAIN: Divx is a Mpeg4 Codec. Not referring to the pay-per-use DiVX recently canned Check out Tomshardware.com - How to copy DVD to CD (for that matter, your HD) http://www4.tomshardware.com/video/01q2/010424/index.html Reg Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:14:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Kalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Here goes... CK On Wed, 16 May 2001, Pres Waterman wrote: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:00:37 -0400 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Hi. I am interested in your approach but please: EXPLAIN: A UDF dump may be a tad tricky, UDF : The format of a DVD. Unless I'm mistaken, which I'm known to be. EXPLAIN: so your best bet might be to actually rip the whole thing Take the video from a standalone DVD player and get it into your PC. EXPLAIN: and re-encode as a DivX. My 110 handles DivX just fine, but you may need to O/C your 100 to make it work. You'd need the DivX encoder software. EXPLAIN: If you want a hardware solution AS OPPOSED TO? As opposed to a software solution of just popping a DVD into a DVD-ROM drive and finding the copying software (almost certainly illegal) to ripping this, it'll cost ya. Components: DVD player, CardBus FireWire card, EXPLAIN: DVD player: come on... FireWire: like USB, only faster, and not like USB at all. Used for Digital Video. DV converter. You'll need drivers for this, but the quality is excellent. EXPLAIN: You'll get a raw DV feed, Digital Video EXPLAIN: which you'll need to re-encode, WITH DIVX EXPLAIN: and then playback's nice and simple. I like the nice and simple part! This looks like a nice thing to do although perhaps entirely too time-consuming, but if it could be automated on an overnight task, maybe worth doing. If I had a big enough HDD to keep a movie or 2 on the Libretto, it could be great for plane rides and lonely hotel evenings. VERY time consuming. If you didn't get what I was saying, don't bother trying it. It's one of those issues that you really need to understand thoroughly before jumping in. But, I thought DIVX was a dead marketing format? EXPLAIN: Different DivX. It's also the term used for a hacked version of the Windows Media encoding spec, which is in turn a bastardization of MPEG-4. For more answers, use google. I've got to get back to work. CK ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:46:16 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Are you saying L110 can handle MPEG4 decoding in software just fine? - Original Message - From: Chris Kalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: DVD question Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Kalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Well, I don't think you're meant to do this, so if anyone *can* help you, be aware that we're talking about DMCA violations regardless. With that in mind, let's see if I care... nope! A UDF dump may be a tad tricky, so your best bet might be to actually rip the whole thing and re-encode as a DivX. My 110 handles DivX just fine, but you may need to O/C your 100 to make it work. If you want a hardware solution to ripping this, it'll cost ya. Components: DVD player, CardBus FireWire card, DV converter. You'll need drivers for this, but the quality is excellent. You'll get a raw DV feed, which you'll need to re-encode, and then playback's nice and simple. I learned this when we needed to muck around with some video clips from a protected DVD. We weren't stealing the material, it never left our LAN, and no one's ever going to see it outside of the owner of the disc, really, but it's stilla DMCA violation. This country sure knows how to suck sometimes. CK On Wed, 16 May 2001, Clinton Parker wrote: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:52:05 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DVD question Hello List, I would like to find out what is required to load a movie from a DVD onto a 100CT HD (20 GB) and view it from there. I realize that it will require a PC Card decoder, so that is not the real issue (although I'd like to hear about experiences with that too). I'm not trying to do anything illegal. I just want to take some movies I own on trips with me so that I can view them on the road. I don't have a portable DVD player, but have one on the desktop and could transfer the file over the network to the Libby. I have seen posts before talking about doing this, so I believe that it is possible, but have not seen any details on how to do it or what software is available/needed. Please respond privately if you don't want to post to the list. TIA Regards, Clinton Parker ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:49:54 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question - Original Message - From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: DVD question Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:54:47 -0400 From: Pres Waterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question I would like to find out what is required to load a movie from a DVD onto a 100CT HD (20 GB) and view it from there. I realize that it will require a PC Card decoder, so that is not the real issue (although I'd like to hear about experiences with that too). This is an interesting approach. Since you can see the DVD files when read in Windows Explorer, why not copy them as a group? Start a DVD player application ( you will also probably NEED a Margi MPEG decoder card because the processor may not have the horsepower to run a software-MPEG application such as Power DVD ) and open a file which will have the .VOB extension. It should be as possible to play a DVD from a huge HDD just as it would be from a DVD player. Copyrighted VOB file won't play unless it's playing right from Copyright enabled hardware (DVD-ROM). That's the whole purpose of DVD encryption. You will need the infamous DeCSS decoder utility to decode the VOB first in order to play the movie in HDD. Lawrence ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:10:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Kalos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question On Wed, 16 May 2001, Lawrence Young wrote: Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:46:16 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Are you saying L110 can handle MPEG4 decoding in software just fine? So it would seem. Of course, this is at less than 640x480. Encode at your own risk. CK ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:39:57 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Lawrence and List, It sure seems to me that if a computer can play a DVD movie from a DVD-ROM drive and this requires the movie to be decoded (either in hardware or software) in the PC before it is displayed, then even if there is encryption, the data must be decrypted BEFORE it comes out of the DVD-ROM drive (I'm not talking about the mpeg decoding done later). Why can't that raw data dump out of the DVD-ROM drive be stored to a file and then have that file played back at some future time as though it had come out of the DVD-ROM drive? If I understand it right, a DVD movie is only on the order of few Gigs and I don't see why it couldn't be stored on a large HD (even if only to be viewed and then erased). It seems to me if this is possible, the Libby would make a wonderful portable movie player to take for a child to watch while waiting for a doctor's appointment, to watch on the plane, etc. I don't know the legalities of this, but I am not talking about piracy (at least as I understand it). I own the DVD-ROM movie disk(s) (paid for them with real $$$) and would just like to view a movie on the go. What difference should it make wether I have the disk in a DVD-ROM drive or playing it from HD? It seems to me that few Gigs of movie could be transferred over a fast eithernet in a few hours (start it and let it transfer over night). Maybe not that practical for a day to day thing, but certainly acceptable for doing occasionally. Regards, Clinton Parker Lawrence Young wrote: Copyrighted VOB file won't play unless it's playing right from Copyright enabled hardware (DVD-ROM). That's the whole purpose of DVD encryption. You will need the infamous DeCSS decoder utility to decode the VOB first in order to play the movie in HDD. Lawrence ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:26:18 -0400 From: Lawrence Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question - Original Message - From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: DVD question Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:39:57 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Lawrence and List, It sure seems to me that if a computer can play a DVD movie from a DVD-ROM drive and this requires the movie to be decoded (either in hardware or software) in the PC before it is displayed, then even if there is encryption, the data must be decrypted BEFORE it comes out of the DVD-ROM drive (I'm not talking about the mpeg decoding done later). Why can't that raw data dump out of the DVD-ROM drive be stored to a file and then have that file played back at some future time as though it had come out of the DVD-ROM drive? If it works like that, believe me, you'll never see a single DVD moive title at all. If I understand it right, a DVD movie is only on the order of few Gigs and I don't see why it couldn't be stored on a large HD (even if only to be viewed and then erased). It seems to me if this is possible, the Libby would make a wonderful portable movie player to take for a child to watch while waiting for a doctor's appointment, to watch on the plane, etc. The reason DVD technology delayed many years is that the Movie industry want to make sure no one can copy the DVD contents easily -- at least that is the case before some careless Software DVD decoder company carelessly let out the DVD encryption key. I don't know the legalities of this, but I am not talking about piracy (at least as I understand it). I own the DVD-ROM movie disk(s) (paid for them with real $$$) and would just like to view a movie on the go. What difference should it make wether I have the disk in a DVD-ROM drive or playing it from HD? It seems to me that few Gigs of movie could be transferred over a fast eithernet in a few hours (start it and let it transfer over night). Maybe not that practical for a day to day thing, but certainly acceptable for doing occasionally. If movie studios have their way, they want you to pay every time you view it. You does not own the movie. You only purchased the right to view it on the terms controlled by studios. Why do you think DIVX had so many titles in its hay days while almost no heavy weight titles were released in DVD format at that time. Thank god DIVX is dead! Lawrence ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: DVD question
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:02:30 -0400 From: Clinton Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DVD question Lawrence Young wrote: It sure seems to me that if a computer can play a DVD movie from a DVD-ROM drive and this requires the movie to be decoded (either in hardware or software) in the PC before it is displayed, then even if there is encryption, the data must be decrypted BEFORE it comes out of the DVD-ROM drive (I'm not talking about the mpeg decoding done later). Why can't that raw data dump out of the DVD-ROM drive be stored to a file and then have that file played back at some future time as though it had come out of the DVD-ROM drive? If it works like that, believe me, you'll never see a single DVD moive title at all. It must work like that, I never said that I wasn't going to use an MPEG decoder. Obviously, if the raw data coming out of the DVD drive can be processed by the decoder to be displayed, it is obviously possible to copy that same data stream and feed it into a decoder as well. Just a matter of someone writing the software. If I understand it right, a DVD movie is only on the order of few Gigs and I don't see why it couldn't be stored on a large HD (even if only to be viewed and then erased). It seems to me if this is possible, the Libby would make a wonderful portable movie player to take for a child to watch while waiting for a doctor's appointment, to watch on the plane, etc. The reason DVD technology delayed many years is that the Movie industry want to make sure no one can copy the DVD contents easily -- at least that is the case before some careless Software DVD decoder company carelessly let out the DVD encryption key. And the record industry said CD's would be the death of that industry - Yeh sure! I don't know the legalities of this, but I am not talking about piracy (at least as I understand it). I own the DVD-ROM movie disk(s) (paid for them with real $$$) and would just like to view a movie on the go. What difference should it make wether I have the disk in a DVD-ROM drive or playing it from HD? It seems to me that few Gigs of movie could be transferred over a fast eithernet in a few hours (start it and let it transfer over night). Maybe not that practical for a day to day thing, but certainly acceptable for doing occasionally. If movie studios have their way, they want you to pay every time you view it. You does not own the movie. You only purchased the right to view it on the terms controlled by studios. Why do you think DIVX had so many titles in its hay days while almost no heavy weight titles were released in DVD format at that time. Thank god DIVX is dead! As I said above, Yeh sure! Movies studios, like almost all other big business, want it all. When they realize that they are not going to get it, they don't turn away profits by not doing it at all. Maybe that is why videos average about $10-$50 now when they were $80 15 years ago. The solution to piracy (at least mass) is to make it affordable enough that it is more trouble than it is worth to pirate it. Thanks! Regards, Clinton Parker ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
