Re: lingo-l HTML and email
I hear ya...and it may not be as bad as *most* of the time, either (though the server side approach [as Troy, I think it was, pointed out] is still your best approach)...I've noticed that Earthlink will let me send to a non-Earthlink mail server multiple times before the messages begin to be blocked. Not sure why that is - but I can generally squeeze out a few emails - at least w/that particular ISP. Keep in mind that you'll also probably be blocked from sending from within most corporate networks as well (your connection attempt will time out or a host is unreachable error will be returned)...just something to keep in mind in case you're demoing your deliverable in an office LAN environment. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 19:41 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Well, that´s true, and regarding my audience they will NOT know thwir mail server for sure, but i have to give them some opportunity, don´t you think , and aldo have to please the client by showing them that one way or the other you CAN send the mail, though most of the times obviously this won´t be possible, but anyway, the mail option is just that and is not key to the development, so... THANKS AGAIN! Diego Landro - Original Message - From: 2702NET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Hi Diego, Yeah, you can have them enter their own mail server...just keep in mind (depending on your audience) some may not know their mail server. J On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 11:29 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Now i get the point, thanks 2702Net, though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de 2702NET Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 12:52 p.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Actually, the name of the sender account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as dummie account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove
RE: lingo-l HTML and email
Thanks guys for the responses. They put me on track adn i´m now trying to figure out what to do. The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as dummie account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. I´ll read the info on Directmail Xtra and get into work, thanks again Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Andrew Dempsey Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 04:36 a.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Your best bet would be to write a server-side script to send out the email formatted as HTML. You can use Lingo to pass the text to the server-side script if necessary. You might want to look for email components if ur email traffice is going to be really high...eg sending bulk mail, etc.. Regards, Anand Ravi I agree with Anand. Set up a script on your server, then use postnettext(yourscript's url) with variables attached for address, subject, message body, etc. Alternately, the Direct Email xtra from directxtras.com is great. I have used it also very successfully, although it's a more expensive solution, and not really necessary if you are able to set up your server side script somewhere. Andrew -- Andrew Dempsey ICT and Education Consultant Software Developer and Programmer, Egyptian Arabic Vocab Clinic (www.egyptianarabic.com) Cairo, Egypt www.andrewdempsey.com [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
Actually, the name of the sender account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as dummie account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
RE: lingo-l HTML and email
Now i get the point, thanks 2702Net, though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de 2702NET Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 12:52 p.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Actually, the name of the sender account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as dummie account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
Hi Diego, Yeah, you can have them enter their own mail server...just keep in mind (depending on your audience) some may not know their mail server. J On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 11:29 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Now i get the point, thanks 2702Net, though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de 2702NET Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 12:52 p.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Actually, the name of the sender account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as dummie account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
On Wednesday, November 19, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Diego Landro wrote: Now i get the point, thanks 2702Net, though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego, you would seriously be better off having a server-side script. This would allow Director to do the network stuff natively and behind the scenes, while the server could do what it does well - and you would avoid ALL of the issues and downsides. The user would not need to know any technical info... that's what developers are for, right? Director is really good at posting information to servers, and the script required on the server is relatively simple - certainly simpler than what you are trying to do. If you don't know how to do that part, such scripts are out there and available for modification, or you could have one custom written for you by any savvy web author in under an hour's time. No xtras (or related expense) required, either. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
Well, that´s true, and regarding my audience they will NOT know thwir mail server for sure, but i have to give them some opportunity, don´t you think , and aldo have to please the client by showing them that one way or the other you CAN send the mail, though most of the times obviously this won´t be possible, but anyway, the mail option is just that and is not key to the development, so... THANKS AGAIN! Diego Landro - Original Message - From: 2702NET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Hi Diego, Yeah, you can have them enter their own mail server...just keep in mind (depending on your audience) some may not know their mail server. J On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 11:29 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Now i get the point, thanks 2702Net, though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de 2702NET Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 12:52 p.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: lingo-l HTML and email Actually, the name of the sender account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as dummie account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
lingo-l HTML and email
Dear co-listers, I am working on a Project and i´m facing a problem. In my app i have to send an email through Director. The point is i could not find how to do this. I know i can put a link mailto into Lingo, but that would open my email clien and what i want is to send the mail via Lingo, without outlook, OE ar any other app getting in the way, so, is there a way to open a network connection and send the email via Lingo?, do i need an Xtra? Which one? (so many questions...). The other thing is i have to send an HTML mail. Regarding this, i think i can compose the HTML code using text and variables and assigning the whole thing to a HUGE variable something like the_mail=html$mail_codehtml, is this approach correct. If i use images, should i attach the images to the mail? How do i do this?, ´cause i don´t want to to have to download something over the net in order to see the pics (again, so many questions...) Thanks in advance Diego Landro Viamonte 1646 7º Of. 100 Tel. 4812-9979/7398 (1955) Ciudad de Buenos Aires --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
Hi Diego, The only reasonably reliable method is to use the DirectEmail Xtra from www.directxtras.com (there are some other free ways to attack the problem - but I don't recommend them). This is definitely your best bet, but even w/the Xtra you'll need to be aware of Port 25 blocking issues (many ISPs block users from sending email through any mailserver but their own). One option is to allow the user the option of entering their own mailserver to avoid the Port 25 issue. Much more on this in the excellent and comprehensive DirectEmail documentation. HTH, J On Tuesday, Nov 18, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Dear co-listers, I am working on a Project and i´m facing a problem. In my app i have to send an email through Director. The point is i could not find how to do this. I know i can put a link mailto into Lingo, but that would open my email clien and what i want is to send the mail via Lingo, without outlook, OE ar any other app getting in the way, so, is there a way to open a network connection and send the email via Lingo?, do i need an Xtra? Which one? (so many questions...). The other thing is i have to send an HTML mail. Regarding this, i think i can compose the HTML code using text and variables and assigning the whole thing to a HUGE variable something like the_mail=html$mail_codehtml, is this approach correct. If i use images, should i attach the images to the mail? How do i do this?, ´cause i don´t want to to have to download something over the net in order to see the pics (again, so many questions...) Thanks in advance Diego Landro Viamonte 1646 7º Of. 100 Tel. 4812-9979/7398 (1955) Ciudad de Buenos Aires --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 10:40 AM, 2702NET wrote: The only reasonably reliable method is to use the DirectEmail Xtra from www.directxtras.com (there are some other free ways to attack the problem - but I don't recommend them). This is definitely your best bet, but even w/the Xtra you'll need to be aware of Port 25 blocking issues (many ISPs block users from sending email through any mailserver but their own). One option is to allow the user the option of entering their own mailserver to avoid the Port 25 issue. Much more on this in the excellent and comprehensive DirectEmail documentation. I agree. The other reasonable option is to use a server-side script and SendMail on the server. Simply have your Director app postNetText to the script, and let your (or your client's) server do the work. The port 25 blocking thing is a real thorn, and it is pretty arguable whether or not it actually achieves its intended purpose. But there you are. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l HTML and email
Dear co-listers, I am working on a Project and i´m facing a problem. In my app i have to send an email through Director. The point is i could not find how to do this. I know i can put a link mailto into Lingo, but that would open my email clien and what i want is to send the mail via Lingo, without outlook, OE ar any other app getting in the way, so, is there a way to open a network connection and send the email via Lingo?, do i need an Xtra? Which one? (so many questions...). The other thing is i have to send an HTML mail. Regarding this, i think i can compose the HTML code using text and variables and assigning the whole thing to a HUGE variable something like the_mail=html$mail_codehtml, is this approach correct. If i use images, should i attach the images to the mail? How do i do this?, ´cause i don´t want to to have to download something over the net in order to see the pics (again, so many questions...) Your best bet would be to write a server-side script to send out the email formatted as HTML. You can use Lingo to pass the text to the server-side script if necessary. You might want to look for email components if ur email traffice is going to be really high...eg sending bulk mail, etc.. Regards, Anand Ravi [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
