Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-02 Thread John Summerfield
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, David Boyes wrote:

  I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)

 I'm pretty sure the Boston Computer Museum has one. Unknown if it's
 functional, but I think they at least have the shell.

 Scarily enough, I had a conversation with someone today who actually has
 virgin Multics boot tapes for the last production release. If I ever finish
 my Honeywell 660 emulator, those tapes have the entire Multics source on
 them

Oi, what's necessary to grab that source?




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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-02 Thread Ward, Garry
There was a numeric label in columns 1-6, I think the c was in column 7.

-Original Message-
From: Henry Schaffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


Yeah, I don't know which came first, the coding form or the symbol
table =
design. And since everything had to fit into the first 72 columns of an
=
80 column card, real estate was precious.

  For FORTRAN, wasn't the first column reserved to designate a Comment
card?  (I'm sure that the C had to go in col. 1, but I don't remember
if anything else could go there.)

--henry schaffer


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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread José Manuel Canelas
Just looked over it now. Very very nice, I think I'll make good use of it, thank you.

It's funny, Unix people say (think it was Kernighan or Ritchie who said it first) that 
this is a spartan operating system, that commands, directory, variable names are 
supposed to be short and concise (thus the vowel shortage abundance :) ), but I 
discovered mainframe hackers' code (be it my MVS colleague's JCL or the shell code you 
submitted) is a lot more spartan when it comes to designating objects. Makes sense. 
You mainframe guys were already doing this way before I was even born, when assembly 
was high-level and every bit count.

Guess you are the original hackers :)

-- jmc


On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:23:52 -0500
Lucius, Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here ya go.  It is a tarball since it includes the required patch to the
 dialog package.

 Glad you asked for it...Enjoy!

 Leland

  -Original Message-
  From: Samy Rengasamy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:14 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
 
 
  Can you post the updated script, Please.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Samy Rengasamy.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:49 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: An update to the little script I post the other day...
 
 
  If anyone is interested, I've updated that script I posted
  the other day
  that allows you to edit MVS PDSes from Linux.  It now
  supports z/VM as well
  and provides improved handling of large directory lists.
  (The first one
  basically sucked for large lists.)
 
  Unfortunately, it requires a patch to the dialog package to
  get around
  command line length limitations.  I won't be posting it unless there's
  interest.
 
  Leland
 




Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Lucius, Leland

 Just looked over it now. Very very nice, I think I'll make
 good use of it, thank you.

Glad to hear it.  It's always good to know something you did was useful to
someone.

 It's funny, Unix people say (think it was Kernighan or
 Ritchie who said it first) that this is a spartan operating
 system, that commands, directory, variable names are supposed
 to be short and concise (thus the vowel shortage abundance :)
 ), but I discovered mainframe hackers' code (be it my MVS
 colleague's JCL or the shell code you submitted) is a lot
 more spartan when it comes to designating objects. Makes
 sense. You mainframe guys were already doing this way before
 I was even born, when assembly was high-level and every bit count.

 Guess you are the original hackers :)

HAHAHAHA.  There's not much you can do with 8 bytes.  I haven't a clue why
(there HAD to be a reason), but many names (member names, logons, ...) were
limited to 8 bytes, so we were kind of forced to be creative.  Actually, now
that I think about it, didn't the Unices start out that way too?

But, I did get a little carried away with that script...  ;-)

Leland


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Ward, Garry
I vaguely recall where the length entry in early assembler symbol tables was only 3 
bits, hence the 8 character limit on names. 

I'm not sure where the 3 bit limit came from, possibly older boxes like the 1401. Or 
because the first byte in the symbol table entry was the length and you didn't use the 
left most bit to prevent sign issues. I can't remembe which.



-Original Message-
From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


There was a 14 character limit on file names in the early versions of Unix.  Actually 
this is filesystem dependent, so the limit exist today if you format a filesystem as 
SVFS (or something like that), which is actually almost exactly like the V7 
filesystem.  There was also a limit on how much of a variable name was significant in 
early C compilers.  I don't remember how many characters though.  You could have a 
variable name as long as you wanted, but only the first few characters were 
significant, which led to some interesting errors.

-Original Message-
From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...



 Just looked over it now. Very very nice, I think I'll make
 good use of it, thank you.

Glad to hear it.  It's always good to know something you did was useful to
someone.

 It's funny, Unix people say (think it was Kernighan or
 Ritchie who said it first) that this is a spartan operating
 system, that commands, directory, variable names are supposed
 to be short and concise (thus the vowel shortage abundance :)
 ), but I discovered mainframe hackers' code (be it my MVS
 colleague's JCL or the shell code you submitted) is a lot
 more spartan when it comes to designating objects. Makes
 sense. You mainframe guys were already doing this way before
 I was even born, when assembly was high-level and every bit count.

 Guess you are the original hackers :)

HAHAHAHA.  There's not much you can do with 8 bytes.  I haven't a clue why
(there HAD to be a reason), but many names (member names, logons, ...) were
limited to 8 bytes, so we were kind of forced to be creative.  Actually, now
that I think about it, didn't the Unices start out that way too?

But, I did get a little carried away with that script...  ;-)

Leland


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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Ward, Garry
Yeah, I don't know which came first, the coding form or the symbol table design. And 
since everything had to fit into the first 72 columns of an 80 column card, real 
estate was precious.

-Original Message-
From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3 that had a 
similar limit.  This was due to the fact that the mnemonics were in a fixed position 
on the card, I think in position 10, which left 8 characters for the definition of 
symbols.  I would bet that there was something similar on the System360 assembler.  I 
think the System7 had a similar limit as well, for the same reason.

I would guess that the 3 bit field was used because there was an 8 character limit, 
rather than the 3 bit field causing the 8 character limit.

-Original Message-
From: Ward, Garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


I vaguely recall where the length entry in early assembler symbol tables was only 3 
bits, hence the 8 character limit on names. 

I'm not sure where the 3 bit limit came from, possibly older boxes like the 1401. Or 
because the first byte in the symbol table entry was the length and you didn't use the 
left most bit to prevent sign issues. I can't remembe which.



-Original Message-
From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


There was a 14 character limit on file names in the early versions of Unix.  Actually 
this is filesystem dependent, so the limit exist today if you format a filesystem as 
SVFS (or something like that), which is actually almost exactly like the V7 
filesystem.  There was also a limit on how much of a variable name was significant in 
early C compilers.  I don't remember how many characters though.  You could have a 
variable name as long as you wanted, but only the first few characters were 
significant, which led to some interesting errors.

-Original Message-
From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...



 Just looked over it now. Very very nice, I think I'll make
 good use of it, thank you.

Glad to hear it.  It's always good to know something you did was useful to
someone.

 It's funny, Unix people say (think it was Kernighan or
 Ritchie who said it first) that this is a spartan operating
 system, that commands, directory, variable names are supposed
 to be short and concise (thus the vowel shortage abundance :)
 ), but I discovered mainframe hackers' code (be it my MVS
 colleague's JCL or the shell code you submitted) is a lot
 more spartan when it comes to designating objects. Makes
 sense. You mainframe guys were already doing this way before
 I was even born, when assembly was high-level and every bit count.

 Guess you are the original hackers :)

HAHAHAHA.  There's not much you can do with 8 bytes.  I haven't a clue why
(there HAD to be a reason), but many names (member names, logons, ...) were
limited to 8 bytes, so we were kind of forced to be creative.  Actually, now
that I think about it, didn't the Unices start out that way too?

But, I did get a little carried away with that script...  ;-)

Leland


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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Lucius, Leland
This is the good kinda stuff.  I like history lessons.  Heck, I've never
even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.

Really interesting.

Leland


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread John Ford
 - Original Message -
 From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3
 that had a similar limit.  This was due to the fact that the
 mnemonics were in a fixed position on the card, I think in position
 10, which left 8 characters for the definition of symbols.  I would
 bet that there was something similar on the System360 assembler.
 I think the System7 had a similar limit as well, for the same
reason.

System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is there
a Linux port for it?

 I would guess that
snip2eof

--
jcf


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
Heck, I've never even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.

Okay, ladies and gents.

I'll hold him down and you can all jump on him...




You young whipper-snappers don't know how good you got it.  Why, when I was young, 
all we had was wood-burning computers!  We had to go out in the snow every morning and 
chop kindling so we could boot up!

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people.  - Admiral Hyman Rickover
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 --
 From: Lucius, Leland
 Reply To: Linux on 390 Port
 Sent: Friday, August 1, 2003 10:09 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
 
 This is the good kinda stuff.  I like history lessons.  Heck, I've never
 even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.
 
 Really interesting.
 
 Leland
 
 


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Lucius, Leland
 Heck, I've never even seen a card reader/punch 'cept in old movies.

 Okay, ladies and gents.

 I'll hold him down and you can all jump on him...

:-D  (hehehehehe)


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Fargusson.Alan
I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux.  I don't think GCC works on 16-bit 
systems.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 - Original Message -
 From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3
 that had a similar limit.  This was due to the fact that the
 mnemonics were in a fixed position on the card, I think in position
 10, which left 8 characters for the definition of symbols.  I would
 bet that there was something similar on the System360 assembler.
 I think the System7 had a similar limit as well, for the same
reason.

System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is there
a Linux port for it?

 I would guess that
snip2eof

--
jcf


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Ward, Garry
Air traffic control? 

-Original Message-
From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)

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From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux.  I don't think GCC
works on 16-bit systems.

-Original Message-
From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 - Original Message -
 From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3
 that had a similar limit.  This was due to the fact that the
 mnemonics were in a fixed position on the card, I think in position
 10, which left 8 characters for the definition of symbols.  I would
 bet that there was something similar on the System360 assembler.
 I think the System7 had a similar limit as well, for the same
reason.

System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is there
a Linux port for it?

 I would guess that
snip2eof

--
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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Joe Poole
Now THAT was funny!   Sorry Gordon, I'm laughing too hard to jump on 
Leland.  

On Friday 01 August 2003 13:39, you wrote:
 Air traffic control?

 -Original Message-
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 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)



Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Rich Smrcina
Don't forget uphill both ways...  and in the snow...

On Friday 01 August 2003 12:39 pm, you wrote:
  You young whipper-snappers don't know how good you got it.
  Why, when I was young, all we had was wood-burning computers!
   We had to go out in the snow every morning and chop kindling
  so we could boot up!

 Some tell me they even had to walk 20 miles to get the wood.  Man that
 must've sucked with no shoes and all!

 Leland

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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Lucius, Leland

 Don't forget uphill both ways...  and in the snow...

This is starting to sound like our Linux project here.  ;-)

Leland


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Kern, Thomas
And it was UPHILL in both directions and 3 feet of snow all year round.

/Thomas Kern
/301-903-2211

 -Original Message-
 From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 13:40
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 
  You young whipper-snappers don't know how good you got it.
  Why, when I was young, all we had was wood-burning computers!
   We had to go out in the snow every morning and chop kindling
  so we could boot up!
 
 Some tell me they even had to walk 20 miles to get the wood.  Man that
 must've sucked with no shoes and all!

 Leland



Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Henry Schaffer
Yeah, I don't know which came first, the coding form or the symbol table =
design. And since everything had to fit into the first 72 columns of an =
80 column card, real estate was precious.

  For FORTRAN, wasn't the first column reserved to designate a Comment
card?  (I'm sure that the C had to go in col. 1, but I don't remember
if anything else could go there.)

--henry schaffer


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Jim Sibley
HAHAHAHA.  There's not much you can do with 8 bytes.

You meant 8 BITS, didn't you? Sure, there was a lot of
stuff we had to stuff into 8 bits! Additional bytes
were a luxury... ;-)

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Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Alan Cox
 I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux.  I don't think GCC
 works on 16-bit systems.

Someone said that once. And due to an unfortunate incident involving
alcohol, engineers and the phrase it can't be .. it was. Linux8086
doesn't use gcc and can be found at elks.sourceforge.net


OT: History (was An update to the little script I post the other day...)

2003-08-01 Thread Rod Furey
FORTRAN... depending on how old you are, meaning which version you used...
mine was a number of versions of ForTran IV...
comments began with a C in column 1
continued lines had a character in column 6
(aside: it is widely believed that you needed 1,2,3 etc. for the
appropriately
 numbered line but this wasn't the case on the ICL 1903 version that I used
 circa 1978)
label numbers were allowed in cols 1-5, all numeric
(aside: it is widely believed that you had to put labels in cols 2-5
 but this wasn't the case on the ICL 1903 version that I used
 circa 1978)
characters per word depended on the word length - 4 on the
ICL machine, 5 or was it 6 on the hmmm... I think it was a Honeywell
although it may have been an early DEC.
I could go on (implicit integers for vars beginning I-N, computed GOTOs
(my favourite)) but we're getting off topic.
Mind you, since we are, it's amazing to see in the musings on this list
just how
much was being thought about in real world labs that we were actually
working on
as mere examples on my degree course. Shame that nothing seems to have come
about from them in the last 20+ years and that we're still reduced to
running
timer loops on certain systems due to the architecture...
Ah well, regrets over... we now return you to your regularly scheduled
You had 1s?
We were doing this with only 0s! BYTE8406(1) reminiscences.
Rod

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Re: History (was An update to the little script I post the other day...)

2003-08-01 Thread Lucius, Leland

 Ah well, regrets over... we now return you to your regularly scheduled
 You had 1s?
 We were doing this with only 0s! BYTE8406(1) reminiscences.

Got tears on this closure  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine
I'll say. It's royal pain in the backside to build, and it boots
funny. But it works, reluctantly. And Alan? I thought it was
constructed because someone insisted that it can't be done.
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 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
 Alan Cox
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 3:41 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] An update to the little script I post the
other day...
 
  I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux.  I don't think
GCC
  works on 16-bit systems.
 
 Someone said that once. And due to an unfortunate incident involving
 alcohol, engineers and the phrase it can't be .. it was. Linux8086
 doesn't use gcc and can be found at elks.sourceforge.net


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine
For which architecture? I'll bet donuts, that you've not looked at the
SIMH emulator. It emulates the architecture that UNIX was created on
perfectly. Perfectly strangely that is. 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
 John Ford
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:39 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] An update to the little script I post the
other day...
 
 I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:26 PM
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
 
 
 I doubt that it would be possible to port Linux.  I don't think GCC
 works on 16-bit systems.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:19 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:56 AM
  Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other
day...
 
 
  Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a
System3
  that had a similar limit.  This was due to the fact that the
  mnemonics were in a fixed position on the card, I think in
position
  10, which left 8 characters for the definition of symbols.  I
would
  bet that there was something similar on the System360 assembler.
  I think the System7 had a similar limit as well, for the same
 reason.
 
 System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is
there
 a Linux port for it?
 
  I would guess that
 snip2eof
 
 --
 jcf


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread David Boyes
 System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is there
 a Linux port for it?

  I would guess that
 snip2eof

No, but there was a internal MS version of Xenix that ran on the Series/1.
Almost as antique and weird as the System/7...8-)

-- db


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread David Boyes
 I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)

I'm pretty sure the Boston Computer Museum has one. Unknown if it's
functional, but I think they at least have the shell.

Scarily enough, I had a conversation with someone today who actually has
virgin Multics boot tapes for the last production release. If I ever finish
my Honeywell 660 emulator, those tapes have the entire Multics source on
them

-- db


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine
David, did you catch the reference I made to the SIMH emulator?!?!?
They are working with stuff like that. I think he's interested in that
family of machines.
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 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
 David Boyes
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:25 PM
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 Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] An update to the little script I post the
other day...
 
  I doubt that it would be possible to FIND a working System/7! :-)
 
 I'm pretty sure the Boston Computer Museum has one. Unknown if it's
 functional, but I think they at least have the shell.
 
 Scarily enough, I had a conversation with someone today who actually
has
 virgin Multics boot tapes for the last production release. If I ever
finish
 my Honeywell 660 emulator, those tapes have the entire Multics
source on
 them
 
 -- db


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread David Boyes
 David, did you catch the reference I made to the SIMH emulator?!?!?
 They are working with stuff like that. I think he's interested in that
 family of machines.

SIMH emulates a PDP-7 (among other things). The IBM System/7 is a different
animal.

(and yes, SIMH will load my paper tape of Spacewar).


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-07-31 Thread Samy Rengasamy
Can you post the updated script, Please.

Thanks,

Samy Rengasamy.

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From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:49 PM
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Subject: An update to the little script I post the other day...


If anyone is interested, I've updated that script I posted the other day
that allows you to edit MVS PDSes from Linux.  It now supports z/VM as well
and provides improved handling of large directory lists.  (The first one
basically sucked for large lists.)

Unfortunately, it requires a patch to the dialog package to get around
command line length limitations.  I won't be posting it unless there's
interest.

Leland


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-07-31 Thread Lucius, Leland
Here ya go.  It is a tarball since it includes the required patch to the
dialog package.

Glad you asked for it...Enjoy!

Leland

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 From: Samy Rengasamy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:14 PM
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 Can you post the updated script, Please.

 Thanks,

 Samy Rengasamy.

 -Original Message-
 From: Lucius, Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:49 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 If anyone is interested, I've updated that script I posted
 the other day
 that allows you to edit MVS PDSes from Linux.  It now
 supports z/VM as well
 and provides improved handling of large directory lists.
 (The first one
 basically sucked for large lists.)

 Unfortunately, it requires a patch to the dialog package to
 get around
 command line length limitations.  I won't be posting it unless there's
 interest.

 Leland




em-0.2.tar.gz
Description: Binary data


An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-07-30 Thread Lucius, Leland
If anyone is interested, I've updated that script I posted the other day
that allows you to edit MVS PDSes from Linux.  It now supports z/VM as well
and provides improved handling of large directory lists.  (The first one
basically sucked for large lists.)

Unfortunately, it requires a patch to the dialog package to get around
command line length limitations.  I won't be posting it unless there's
interest.

Leland