Re: Keystroke Capture
On Wed, 29 May 2002 18:23:18 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 09:19:45AM -0700, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, Does anyone know of a function/product/tool that will allow us to capture all incoming keystrokes from the keyboard for investigation? We are getting an intermittent lockup that seems to be triggered by a keystroke pattern from a particular brand of keyboard and need to decipher*why*. One could run ``script'' which captures everything to a file. Or expect, which is surely already installed. You can even play it back to see if it is repeatable. Provided the codes make it out of the kernel. If there is a lockup, then a user-level app may be too late in the chain to tell very much. Have you checked for debugging options on the kernel keyboard stuff? Don't know if there is any, but you mey gety lucky. Does this heppen in X or in console mode? And, what exactly gets locked up? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting GERONIMO!'' ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Video CD
On Thu, 30 May 2002 06:44:04 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 08:03 pm, you wrote: No idea Roger, but looking at the site and title I would gues its ready to burn. Just have to suck it and see. I had hoped that would be the case. So I was going to jump in and use cdrdao. That was when it appeared that you cannot just put the mpeg file on the disc. I was (I think - not sure at this point) trying to use a utility to set up the mpeg file for eventual burinig. The program, vcdimager, died as follows: $ ./vcdimager -pv pal-vid-vcd.mpg --cue-file=xx.cue --bin-file=xx-bin --DEBUG: initializing libvcd 0.6.2 [linux-gnu/i686] INFO: scanning mpeg track #0 for scanpoints... **ERROR: mpeg scan: pack header code expected, but 0x01b9 found (buflen= 2324) Not what I expected. Obviously thre file format is not accepted by this utility. It seems the only format options are related to output format. OK. I downloaded the sample that is a PAL VCD called pal-vid-vcd.mpg. This is the info from that file: Video 352x288 resolution Audio MPEG-1 Layer 2 224kbit/s 44100Hz stereo Size: 929600 Total time: 5.706667 Newbie time: can this be burned directly to the vcd disc? There is a FAQ at the site, but I could not determine if the file is already processed as needed and ready to burn. The text at the download said: Captured TV broadcast - default settings. Strict VCD/SVCD specs. Do I need to convert this file to a .cdr file to use it with crrdao? -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suspicious mail
begin Bill Campbell's quote: | Sircam is one of the more interesting worms that feed on thw | Microsoft virus, Windows. It picks random files and documents | from the victim's machine, mailing them to everybody in their | Outhouse address book. I haven't seen any commentary on this | addressing the fact that the documents mailed out could well be | private, proprietary data, or anything else that one wouldn't | want broadcast all over the Internet. you mean a commentary like this one? http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=66 -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
begin Keith Antoine's quote: | AFAIK it is built on eD2.4 and it is supposedly the release that | 3.0 + should have been but was not. In upgrades and also the ease | of installation plus the availabilty of upgrade rpms etc. it's going to be *very* interesting this morning to hear what the caldera-turbo-suse-conectiva plan is. if the story is as it has been presented so far, it could well turn into the uberdistribution that we've sought and then simply be a matter of whose administration tools are least overbearing and objectionable (my chief complaint with suse). this presupposes that they announce the right stuff and further presupposes that they pull it off, but i awakened this morning more optimistic about the future of distributional linux than i have been in a couple of years. the opening exists for them now to do it right. fingers crossed, everybody. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: anybody care to guess?
On Wed, 29 May 2002 20:44:08 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scribbling feverishly on May 29, Collins managed to emit: On Tue, 28 May 2002 20:17:48 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: modules Dep, You gotta do what you gotta do, but I gotta say that flashing ad banner at the top of your page is total and absolute sh*t. I don't think I will visit this site again. Your loss. Perhaps you could offer to help fix it instead of panning it? Kurt, This beggars the imagaination. How in the blazes can I help fix somebody's web site? That would require a mighty powerful virus! I'm presuming that dep knows exactly what he is doing; he certainly has in the past. I just find the (somewhat varying each time) banners at the top of the you may already be a winner type to be abominably poor taste. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: anybody care to guess?
begin Collins's quote: | I'm presuming that dep knows exactly what he is doing; he certainly | has in the past. I just find the (somewhat varying each time) | banners at the top of the you may already be a winner type to be | abominably poor taste. as do i; however, i find starvation to be in even worse taste. if people would like to send me money, i'd be happy to get rid of the ads; at the moment we're working on ways of targeting the ad schedule so that it will be of interest to linux users -- i doubt that many have taken advantage of the aol ads either -- but this requires some time. when it's all done and more to your liking, i'll drop you a note if i remember. best, -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: anybody care to guess?
On Thu, 30 May 2002 06:38:08 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins's quote: | I'm presuming that dep knows exactly what he is doing; he | certainly has in the past. I just find the (somewhat varying each | time) banners at the top of the you may already be a winner type | to be abominably poor taste. as do i; however, i find starvation to be in even worse taste. This is what I expected. I don't pretend to have a solution for you. I just happened to roll snakeeyes twice in a row. Most banner adds I can ignore, but these are frequently of the flashing bright red variety that draw away from the content of the screen. Even sites like Linux Today employ banner ads; they just aren't quite as obnoxious. sigh What I need is a good intelligent filter that can extract the main content from a web page on the fly and leave the cruft behind. /sigh Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: anybody care to guess?
On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:04 am, Collins wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002 06:38:08 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins's quote: | I'm presuming that dep knows exactly what he is doing; he | certainly has in the past. I just find the (somewhat varying each | time) banners at the top of the you may already be a winner type | to be abominably poor taste. as do i; however, i find starvation to be in even worse taste. This is what I expected. I don't pretend to have a solution for you. I just happened to roll snakeeyes twice in a row. Most banner adds I can ignore, but these are frequently of the flashing bright red variety that draw away from the content of the screen. Even sites like Linux Today employ banner ads; they just aren't quite as obnoxious. sigh What I need is a good intelligent filter that can extract the main content from a web page on the fly and leave the cruft behind. /sigh Mozilla? IIRC, there are ways to block pictures based on size that is intended to target adds. Either in Mozilla natively, or thru an XUL add-on. Aren't most of the abhorrant flashing adds animated GIFs? They can be controlled using Mozilla. You can also block images from certain servers. There's lots of stuff Mozilla can do :-) Might be something about it here, http://www.mozilla.org.uk/temp/start/1.0/faq/ Regards, Tim -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1+, kernel 2.4.18-preempt, KDE 3.0.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 4:00am up 4 days, 10:53, 4 users, load average: 0.74, 0.76, 0.72 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: anybody care to guess?
On Tuesday 28 May 2002 22:04, dep wrote: joint announcement thursday from suse, turbo, caldera, and conectiva: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=77 *everybody* is being *really* tight-lipped. guesses? I'm surprised at SuSE's participation. They have a huge market presence in Europ and they are developing a growing market base in North America (mainly due to the quality of their product) despite a near complete lack of representation on this continent. They also have a very strong relationship with IBM. I can see the other three, frankly they are grasping at straws - especially the former Linux company, Caldera. This is undoubtedly (as it says) related to LSB... perhaps they have decided to cooperate further and expand the common baseline to minimize development costs and effort. There is still a lot that can be done in the regard to provide a common framework which still allows a distro personality to be integrated in the higher layers. If this is the way that they are going, then I would expect a division of effort, with each company taking on an area which they would be responsible for developing as their contribution. The real question is how significant is the pending announcement and how much is hype? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Skippy's project OT
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 21:58, David A. Bandel wrote: ... But to compare either of them to MySQL is blasphemy to someone who knows about SQL servers and what they are/do. The operative word is ACID, and MySQL isn't. MySQL is a fancy filesystem. It lacks atomicity, referential integrity (a pretty big deal all by itself), and can even be argued to lack consistency. Absolutely true. MySQL is not seriously condsidered to be a deployable database in the industry (or at least the part I work in). FWIW, we rarely see any demand for Sybase, either. For DBs and data management systems, Oracle, DB2 and SAP seem to predominate. However, this could admittedly depend upon what scale you are talking about, too. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
In addition to everything Lee said ... - The menu's are organized logically and with prose names like CD Player or somesuch rather than the consonant-laden gibberish that passes for menus on most distros. - Most all the options that a user might want to configure are in one GUI config tool and in logical places with sensible names. - They focus their energy on perfecting one GUI instead of 2 or 10. - It turns to advantage inter-operability on a Windows network rather than treating it like a begrudged afterthought. - They offer mainly 1 (fairly good) choice in each application rather than 3 or 30. - For what is essentially still a beta release, it is very stable and predictable. Solid - like you expect Linux to be. On Thu, 30 May 2002 00:18:35 -0400 Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start with the install GUI. Pure Caldera. If you didn't know that it was Redmond you'd swear you were installing e2.4 except it does a better job of auto detecting. Once installed the GUI bootup is Caldera except that it says Redmond where Caldera would normally be presented. Once installed it runs as smooth as silk although a little slow opening up the bundled Mozilla browser. Put the boot in the mbr for a dual boot and the boot selection screen is pure caldera.I installed it on a box that had e2.4 on it, but there were some annoying bugs like Netscape mail would drop out on an irregular basis when I hit Get Message. That doesn't happen with Redmond. It has a few things in the distro that are kind of neat. The cd burner runs straight out of the package with my iomega burner, so does the camera photo package. And unlike 3.1 getting the cdrom and floppy icons is not a hassle. All you have to do is drop and drag the icons out of the My Linux icon. Built on the 2.4.14 kernel the thing appears to be Super 2.4, but Caldera never went that way and they missed the boat. It is nice to know that after Caldera folds there will still be a Caldera like distro out there. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT Video CD
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002 06:44:04 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 29 May 2002 08:03 pm, you wrote: No idea Roger, but looking at the site and title I would gues its ready to burn. Just have to suck it and see. I had hoped that would be the case. So I was going to jump in and use cdrdao. That was when it appeared that you cannot just put the mpeg file on the disc. I was (I think - not sure at this point) trying to use a utility to set up the mpeg file for eventual burinig. The program, vcdimager, died as follows: $ ./vcdimager -pv pal-vid-vcd.mpg --cue-file=xx.cue --bin-file=xx-bin --DEBUG: initializing libvcd 0.6.2 [linux-gnu/i686] INFO: scanning mpeg track #0 for scanpoints... **ERROR: mpeg scan: pack header code expected, but 0x01b9 found (buflen= 2324) Not what I expected. Obviously thre file format is not accepted by this utility. It seems the only format options are related to output format. Ya, VCDs are not a single file, but rather an entire filesystem, with directories. So, unless that mpg was some kind of image, it can't be a VCD. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
United Linux (Caldera, SuSE, Connectiva, Turbo)
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Re: more on unitedlinux
Wow, talk about rushing it out the door: 1) In the PPT presentation, they claim that an alpha will come out in Q3/02, yet on the website, they say it will be Q2/02 2) In the PDF 'whitepaper' on page 8, check out the FIXME commments that should have been removed prior to release. I especially like the (FIXME: waiting Olive's text) comment. snicker more fine work from Caldera's marketing dept, no doubt. On Thu, 30 May 2002, Net Llama! wrote: Feh. Talk about making a big deal out of *nothing*: Oo...look at us, we've got a LSB compliant distro! That makes us neato stuff. Now you will buy from us instead of Redhat! We are 133t! What a complete non-event if i ever saw one. On Thu, 30 May 2002, dep wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=81 -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Greetings, On Thu, 30 May 2002, Net Llama! wrote: Feh. Talk about making a big deal out of *nothing*: Oo...look at us, we've got a LSB compliant distro! That makes us neato stuff. Now you will buy from us instead of Redhat! We are 133t! What a complete non-event if i ever saw one. Don't lose sight of what has been a stumbling block for Linux attracting commercial software vendors. The fact that there has never been a stable/standard fielsystem structure for the commercial software houses to build against. Who wants to write a terriffic shoot-em-up video game and then have to port it to 10 different distros and a constantly changing lib structure? Perhaps now, with a consistant LSB, Linux will attract more commercial software vendors to port their applications to (i.e. TurboTax, etc.). We can only hope... --- Jay Those that sacrifice essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Ben Franklin (1759) ++ | Jay Nugent [EMAIL PROTECTED](734)971-1076(734)971-4529/Fax| | Nugent Telecommunications [www.nuge.com] (734)649-0850/Cell | | Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering Design/ISP Reseller | | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.net] ISP Modem Performance Monitoring | | Web-Pegasus[www.webpegasus.com] Web Hosting/DNS Hosting/Shell Accts| | LinuxNIC, Inc. [www.linuxnic.net] Registrar of the .linux TLD| ++ 10:01am up 118 days, 23:39, 11 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Jay Nugent wrote: Don't lose sight of what has been a stumbling block for Linux attracting commercial software vendors. The fact that there has never been a stable/standard fielsystem structure for the commercial software houses to build against. Who wants to write a terriffic shoot-em-up video game and then have to port it to 10 different distros and a constantly changing lib structure? Perhaps now, with a consistant LSB, Linux will attract more commercial software vendors to port their applications to (i.e. TurboTax, etc.). We can only hope... Jay sees through the chaff. In other words, unitedlinux (Unux?) aims to achieve what Debian has had for years. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: Keystroke Capture
One could run ``script'' which captures everything to a file. Or expect, which is surely already installed. You can even play it back to see if it is repeatable. Provided the codes make it out of the kernel. If there is a lockup, then a user-level app may be too late in the chain to tell very much. Have you checked for debugging options on the kernel keyboard stuff? Don't know if there is any, but you mey gety lucky. Does this heppen in X or in console mode? And, what exactly gets locked up? The system uses a Rose Box (KVM switching) to select which of the processors to display and access. The method of selection is to hit L-Shift, L-CTRL, n, individually, where n is the CPU number (4 of them) to select. *Sometimes* after performing this the image will shift to the selected CPU but the keyboard will provide no more input that the system can see. The keyboard that causes the trouble is an Orbit keyboard. We see the problem whether running Linux or WinNT on the system, but more often (as would be expected) with WinNT. Since the Rose Box intercepts the keystrokes, I'm not sure whether a user-level app will work, either. Thanks for the suggestions of apps that may work, though. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Net Llama! wrote: Wow, talk about rushing it out the door: 1) In the PPT presentation, they claim that an alpha will come out in Q3/02, yet on the website, they say it will be Q2/02 2) In the PDF 'whitepaper' on page 8, check out the FIXME commments that should have been removed prior to release. I especially like the (FIXME: waiting Olive's text) comment. snicker more fine work from Caldera's marketing dept, no doubt. Snip Kinda like all the predictions that Caldera made about what quarter they expected to make a profit in before they self destructed. Now there are three more Linux companies going down the same road; concentrate on the business community let the desktop users use M$, we're too busy to come up with a decent desktop that may sell our product. No wonder Mandrake and RH are knocking the socks off of them. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
Net Llama! wrote: BTW, in realizing their gross incompetance in posting that technical whitepaper they pulled it from the site. Unfortunately, for them, i've archived the original: http://linux-sxs.org/~netllama/unitedlinuxwhitepaper.pdf Read it and laugh, and then cry. Please take us seriously, even though we're 'always confused with NIS' and watch us 'Write something about how serious we are, and why big customers should go for it' snicker snip I sure hope it's not the final version. Take a look at the file system types listed. ext2, ext3, reiser and jfs. They support efs but not xfs in other file systems? Jesus, efs hasn't been used since IRIX 5.2! -- Andrew Mathews --- andy.nmcourts.com Thursday May 30 2002 10:08:00 MDT --- 26. Why did it say '/bin/rm: not found'? --Top 100 things you don't want the sysadmin to say ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Knoppix
Looks interesting, however the website is a bit skimpy on documentation. For starters, what's in the kernel that they include? I try to click on the FAQ link, and got a forbidden error. :( On Thu, 30 May 2002, Randy Donohoe wrote: Has anyone else out there tried Knoppix, yet? This is ten steps beyond the Linuxcare disk. Bootable, X, cd burner, DVD player, it's unbelievable. Home page is http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html Download is http://download.linuxtag.org/knoppix/ Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Suspicious mail
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 05:26:53AM -0400, dep wrote: begin Bill Campbell's quote: | Sircam is one of the more interesting worms that feed on thw | Microsoft virus, Windows. It picks random files and documents | from the victim's machine, mailing them to everybody in their | Outhouse address book. I haven't seen any commentary on this | addressing the fact that the documents mailed out could well be | private, proprietary data, or anything else that one wouldn't | want broadcast all over the Internet. you mean a commentary like this one? http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=66 Great stuff! I suggested this might be a problem in an article I wrote a couple of years ago under the heading ``Covert use of Windows Machines'': http://www.celestial.com/iloveyou/ Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. -- Frederick Douglass ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
Bleah. Dumb move if you ask me. And completely illogical - to put all that work into a united version and not leverage it into a desktop release. With any luck, Lycoris or others will take UL and turn it into a 1st-class desktop distro. Michael On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:12:36 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: turns out, it's another way to get rich off of linux without having any actual users. the desktop crowd was told to go pound sand, in about that many words. full story is top item on lnm. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
The way I read it is that one of the differentiating factors left to the distributions was the development of the desktop and which apps would be installed. UnitedLinux would provide the base. End user (desktop) apps would be add-ons provided by the individual distros in the manner in which they see fit. So, Skippy Linux could be Powered by UnitedLinux and contain all the desktop goodies that he'd want for his distro. Regards, Tim On 5/30/2002 1:44 PM, someone claiming to be Michael Hipp wrote: Bleah. Dumb move if you ask me. And completely illogical - to put all that work into a united version and not leverage it into a desktop release. With any luck, Lycoris or others will take UL and turn it into a 1st-class desktop distro. Michael On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:12:36 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: turns out, it's another way to get rich off of linux without having any actual users. the desktop crowd was told to go pound sand, in about that many words. full story is top item on lnm. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
begin Tim Wunder's quote: | The way I read it is that one of the differentiating factors left | to the distributions was the development of the desktop and which | apps would be installed. UnitedLinux would provide the base. End | user (desktop) apps would be add-ons provided by the individual | distros in the manner in which they see fit. So, Skippy Linux could | be Powered by UnitedLinux and contain all the desktop goodies | that he'd want for his distro. Regards, no, in fact they went out of their way to say that a desktop distro *may not* carry the unitedlinux brand. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? Thanks. Michael Hipp wrote: In addition to everything Lee said ... - The menu's are organized logically and with prose names like CD Player or somesuch rather than the consonant-laden gibberish that passes for menus on most distros. - Most all the options that a user might want to configure are in one GUI config tool and in logical places with sensible names. - They focus their energy on perfecting one GUI instead of 2 or 10. - It turns to advantage inter-operability on a Windows network rather than treating it like a begrudged afterthought. - They offer mainly 1 (fairly good) choice in each application rather than 3 or 30. - For what is essentially still a beta release, it is very stable and predictable. Solid - like you expect Linux to be. On Thu, 30 May 2002 00:18:35 -0400 Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start with the install GUI. Pure Caldera. If you didn't know that it was Redmond you'd swear you were installing e2.4 except it does a better job of auto detecting. Once installed the GUI bootup is Caldera except that it says Redmond where Caldera would normally be presented. Once installed it runs as smooth as silk although a little slow opening up the bundled Mozilla browser. Put the boot in the mbr for a dual boot and the boot selection screen is pure caldera.I installed it on a box that had e2.4 on it, but there were some annoying bugs like Netscape mail would drop out on an irregular basis when I hit Get Message. That doesn't happen with Redmond. It has a few things in the distro that are kind of neat. The cd burner runs straight out of the package with my iomega burner, so does the camera photo package. And unlike 3.1 getting the cdrom and floppy icons is not a hassle. All you have to do is drop and drag the icons out of the My Linux icon. Built on the 2.4.14 kernel the thing appears to be Super 2.4, but Caldera never went that way and they missed the boat. It is nice to know that after Caldera folds there will still be a Caldera like distro out there. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
Management never does things that make sense! Tim Wunder wrote: On 5/30/2002 2:18 PM, someone claiming to be dep wrote: begin Tim Wunder's quote: | The way I read it is that one of the differentiating factors left | to the distributions was the development of the desktop and which | apps would be installed. UnitedLinux would provide the base. End | user (desktop) apps would be add-ons provided by the individual | distros in the manner in which they see fit. So, Skippy Linux could | be Powered by UnitedLinux and contain all the desktop goodies | that he'd want for his distro. Regards, no, in fact they went out of their way to say that a desktop distro *may not* carry the unitedlinux brand. Hmmm...OK, I obviously read it wrong. I just read it again and it appears that you're right. But...Well...that just doesn't make any sense... -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
The original author of the like eD2.4 wasn't saying it is stuck in a timewarp. It has the latest stuff (m/l). The next version is supposed to have OpenOffice. The current release has a later XFree than COL 3.1 had. It's fairly current on KDE. And so on. eD2.4 was the starting point, as best I can tell. While Lycoris is hardly perfect. It is worth a look. I may yet go back to it (depending on next release) tho Gentoo has captured my fancy right now. Michael On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:16:05 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? Thanks. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On 5/30/2002 3:21 PM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002, dep wrote: begin Tim Wunder's quote: | no, in fact they went out of their way to say that a desktop | distro *may not* carry the unitedlinux brand. | | Hmmm...OK, I obviously read it wrong. I just read it again and it | appears that you're right. But...Well...that just doesn't make any | sense... which is why we put up an editorial entitled unitedyawnix after going over it all a second time. we need to understand that we are mere users and therefore not only of no importance but in fact to be avoided. after all, it was companies, not users, who created linux in the first place, right? What i'd really like to hear at this point is how the faithful from the other threes' camps feel about this. Caldera has been screwing its user base for a couple years, so this is really just business as usual. I thought that SuSE, Connectiva Turbo weren't this calous. Also, i get the impression that Caldera is driving this. Anyone feel differently? Nope. Not me. But, heck, I'm just a linux user. What do I know? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Thanks. I just have to find a distro to start with and upgrade things as I need them. However, that means finding one that has upgrades available. Michael Hipp wrote: The original author of the like eD2.4 wasn't saying it is stuck in a timewarp. It has the latest stuff (m/l). The next version is supposed to have OpenOffice. The current release has a later XFree than COL 3.1 had. It's fairly current on KDE. And so on. eD2.4 was the starting point, as best I can tell. While Lycoris is hardly perfect. It is worth a look. I may yet go back to it (depending on next release) tho Gentoo has captured my fancy right now. Michael On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:16:05 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? Thanks. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Rolling Our Own (was: unitedlinux: it gets weirder)
List All right, we all have had our say on this. Now the idea of us rolling our own Linux Distro is not so far fetched, or is it? cheers -- Rick Sivernell So, like, what you are saying is that the linux-users should turn out UserLinux? Right on, man! In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
List All right, we all have had our say on this. Now the idea of us rolling our own Linux Distro is not so far fetched, or is it? cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Non-fixated CDROM
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm just getting used to this version of xcdroast, but was doing a batch of CDROMs last night. In the process, I think once or twice I thought the recording was done while the fixating was in fact still going on, and I forced the drive open anyway. Now I don't know which ones this happened to. And I haven't a clue what 'fixating' really is, or what a CDROM would look like if that part of the process hadn't happened. Can anybody tell me what to look for? According to the cdrecord man page, a disk that is 'fixated' has a TOC (table of contents) for the CD reader. You can use the -fix switch for a disk that has been written but not fixated. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Knoppix
Am Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2002 18:11 schrieb Net Llama!: Looks interesting, however the website is a bit skimpy on documentation. For starters, what's in the kernel that they include? I try to click on the FAQ link, and got a forbidden error. :( The link to the German FAQs is ok -:) - you can get the English one from eg http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX-FAQ-EN.txt I'm just doing a ftp download of the English iso, perhaps I can tell you more on the forthcoming weekend. BTW, there is a file packages.txt on the download site. Klaus ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:16:05 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? It's a first atempt at a distro, from this company. I would imagine the next version to be even better. I bought a copy of Lycoris simply because there was so much time spent on developing it and it really shows too. The next version will be better and I'd hazard a guess that it will knock your (our) socks off. -- * * Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux 5:09pm up 78 days, 22:21, 5 users, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Non-fixated CDROM
On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:40:20PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm just getting used to this version of xcdroast, but was doing a batch of CDROMs last night. In the process, I think once or twice I thought the recording was done while the fixating was in fact still going on, and I forced the drive open anyway. Now I don't know which ones this happened to. And I haven't a clue what 'fixating' really is, or what a CDROM would look like if that part of the process hadn't happened. Can anybody tell me what to look for? According to the cdrecord man page, a disk that is 'fixated' has a TOC (table of contents) for the CD reader. You can use the -fix switch for a disk that has been written but not fixated. I assume you mean 'cdrecord -fix', but I'm reluctant to do that with a CDROM that _has_ been fixated, let alone one that was interrupted part way through. What I wanted to know was how to detect if this is the case; what symptoms of a missing/malformed fixation or TOC should I look for? -- Kevin O'Gorman (805) 650-6274 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Permanent e-mail forwarder: mailto:Kevin.O'[EMAIL PROTECTED] At school: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~kogorman/index.html Web: http://kosmanor.com/~kevin/index.html Life is short; eat dessert first! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Non-fixated CDROM
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:40:20PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I'm just getting used to this version of xcdroast, but was doing a batch of CDROMs last night. In the process, I think once or twice I thought the recording was done while the fixating was in fact still going on, and I forced the drive open anyway. Now I don't know which ones this happened to. And I haven't a clue what 'fixating' really is, or what a CDROM would look like if that part of the process hadn't happened. Can anybody tell me what to look for? According to the cdrecord man page, a disk that is 'fixated' has a TOC (table of contents) for the CD reader. You can use the -fix switch for a disk that has been written but not fixated. I assume you mean 'cdrecord -fix', but I'm reluctant to do that with a CDROM that _has_ been fixated, let alone one that was interrupted part way through. What I wanted to know was how to detect if this is the case; what symptoms of a missing/malformed fixation or TOC should I look for? If you can mount it, then its fine. If you can't, then fixate it. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Rolling Our Own (was: unitedlinux: it gets weirder)
begin Condon Thomas A KPWA's quote: | So, like, what you are saying is that the linux-users should turn | out UserLinux? yup. except that it will be called skippy standard linux and ought to be slavish in its adherence to the lsb and fhs. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Fri, 31 May 2002, James McDonald wrote: Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots. I think they were going for an emulated appearance, in an effort to get windoze converts. Then again, there's nothing all that inspired about the XP pre-school widget set. Just alot of primary colors. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Michael Hipp wrote: The original author of the like eD2.4 wasn't saying it is stuck in a timewarp. Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can get others with the latest kernels, etc? Thanks. Well it's built on the 2.4.14 kernel which isn't exactly turn of the last century. Based on what they released with this version I don't think that it is too far off base to speculate that the next release will be the latest up to date kernel around minus lead time. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Or as we called them in the beta - the Fisher-Price interface G. Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, James McDonald wrote: Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots. I think they were going for an emulated appearance, in an effort to get windoze converts. Then again, there's nothing all that inspired about the XP pre-school widget set. Just alot of primary colors. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
No, XP licensed them from Fisher-Price - preschoolers love it. James McDonald wrote: Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Maybe Billy the Suid slipped a little Linux into his distro just to make it a little more stable. James McDonald wrote: Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots. -- James McDonald MCSE (Windows 2000/NT4), CCNA, CCA, MCP + I Registered Linux User #209832 http://jamesmcd.dns2go.com (home) Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) 7:41am up 6 days, 12:29, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Or as we called them in the beta - the Fisher-Price interface G. Teletubbies- http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23830.html Personally, I think M$ should have chosen the silver or olive colour schemes- much more visually appealing. Since I'm forced to use XP for certain reasons, I also took a look at Style XP. They've got a Crux theme, and a Linux boot screen and login screen, but nothing quite lends itself to the dignity of Bash. Bob Raymond Net Llama! wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, James McDonald wrote: Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots. I think they were going for an emulated appearance, in an effort to get windoze converts. Then again, there's nothing all that inspired about the XP pre-school widget set. Just alot of primary colors. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Rolling Our Own (was: unitedlinux: it gets weirder)
On Thursday 30 May 2002 05:49 pm, dep wrote: begin Condon Thomas A KPWA's quote: | So, like, what you are saying is that the linux-users should turn | out UserLinux? yup. except that it will be called skippy standard linux and ought to be slavish in its adherence to the lsb and fhs. Can we have Skippy Premium Linux, too? http://www.skippydog.com/skippy_splash.html -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1+, kernel 2.4.18-preempt, KDE 3.0.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 8:00pm up 5 days, 2:53, 4 users, load average: 0.80, 0.75, 0.73 It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Thu, 30 May 2002 10:10:02 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=81 Hell's bells! Says SuSE, the basic functionality like a desktop will be there. Au contraire, quoth Caldera, Love stressed that there will be no desktop 'UnitedLinux.' End users, consider yourself irrelevant, because 'UnitedLinux' is enterprise only. UnitedLinux don't need no steenking desktop users. So, Kurt's 2-bit summary: There's nothing here but smoke and mirrors, folks. Move along, move along. Nothing to see here. It's nothing but marketing and cost reduction; pity the poor souls still employed by one of the four companies -- more pink slips are in the works. Caldera's last round of layoffs included the office of the CTO. They still didn't aim high enough in the food chain... Fucking morons. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT How many Boxen?
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 10:20 am, Kurt Wall voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: I was just curious how many and what kind of boxen people have on their home networks. For example, I have an AMD 1200 running Windows (yeah, whatever), a Pentium II running a heavily-modified Slackware 8.0, a Pentium III running an equally heavily-modified Slackware 8.0, and a Sparc5 running Solaris 2.8. A late entry into the foray here. A home built from an old 486. Now an AMD K6 233mmx running RedHat 7.1. My main box. (Laugh I know, but I am a poor man and can't afford a new PC. Any one who would like to hire me and rescue from my crap job, please contact me off list) A Packard Bell Pentium 120 running Slackware 8.0 for firewalling. A Packard Bell Pentium 333 that I have Progeny installed on to play with. I actually need to play with this machine since I haven't in months. A Micron Pentium 133 with Debian 2.1 for experimental purposes. As you can tell by the version, I haven't been experimenting much. An IBM PC-730 Pentium 75 that is currently not used for anything but will be on the network eventually. For what I don't know. -- Tom Wilson Registered Linux user # 199331 I used to be with it, then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it anymore and whats it seems strange and scary to me. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Thu, 30 May 2002 05:43:46 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Keith Antoine's quote: | AFAIK it is built on eD2.4 and it is supposedly the release that | 3.0 + should have been but was not. In upgrades and also the ease | of installation plus the availabilty of upgrade rpms etc. it's going to be *very* interesting this morning to hear what the caldera-turbo-suse-conectiva plan is. if the story is as it has been presented so far, it could well turn into the uberdistribution that we've sought and then simply be a matter of whose administration tools are least overbearing and objectionable (my chief complaint with suse). this presupposes that they announce the right stuff and further presupposes that they pull it off, but i awakened this morning more optimistic about the future of distributional linux than i have been in a couple of years. Still optimistic, dep? I, for one, am glad *that's* over. Nothing like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal to start my day off right. I should have known better. Once again, Caldera has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Fscking amazing. the opening exists for them now to do it right. fingers crossed, everybody. That's the last time I cross *my* fingers. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:12:36 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: turns out, it's another way to get rich off of linux without having any actual users. the desktop crowd was told to go pound sand, in about that many words. Ya know, if you always do what you've always done, you're always going to get what you've always gotten. What blows my mind is that smarter people than Ransom Love actually buy this tired ghost of a marketing scheme, Linux for business. They couldn't make it work for OpenLinux, haven't yet made it work for OpenUnix, and so they think it will work for Turdera^H^H^H^H^H^H^H UnitedLinux? Just in case no one's figured it out, I'm just pissed. Until this morning, I missed Caldera; I just realized that what I *really* missed was Caldera's potential and, with just a couple of exceptions, the people with whom I worked at Caldera. The company has a death wish, and, not content with their own self-destruction, have persuaded three other Linux companies to jump off the cliff with them. Kurt -- Your lucky number has been disconnected. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Thu, 30 May 2002 22:04:18 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002 05:43:46 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Keith Antoine's quote: | AFAIK it is built on eD2.4 and it is supposedly the release that | 3.0 + should have been but was not. In upgrades and also the | ease of installation plus the availabilty of upgrade rpms etc. it's going to be *very* interesting this morning to hear what the caldera-turbo-suse-conectiva plan is. if the story is as it has been presented so far, it could well turn into the uberdistribution that we've sought and then simply be a matter of whose administration tools are least overbearing and objectionable (my chief complaint with suse). this presupposes that they announce the right stuff and further presupposes that they pull it off, but i awakened this morning more optimistic about the future of distributional linux than i have been in a couple of years. Still optimistic, dep? I, for one, am glad *that's* over. Nothing like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal to start my day off right. I should have known better. Once again, Caldera has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Fscking amazing. the opening exists for them now to do it right. fingers crossed, everybody. That's the last time I cross *my* fingers. We know about Caldera (Corporate Logo should be a toilet bowl all aflush). The other players seem to have some business smarts, so why are they aligning themselves with an unlucky player? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
Kurt, I know how it feels to watch a company that you invested alot of emotion into self-destruct. Unfortunately, I know it all too well. At least you were able to get out before the death spiral started. Kurt Wall wrote: On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:12:36 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: turns out, it's another way to get rich off of linux without having any actual users. the desktop crowd was told to go pound sand, in about that many words. Ya know, if you always do what you've always done, you're always going to get what you've always gotten. What blows my mind is that smarter people than Ransom Love actually buy this tired ghost of a marketing scheme, Linux for business. They couldn't make it work for OpenLinux, haven't yet made it work for OpenUnix, and so they think it will work for Turdera^H^H^H^H^H^H^H UnitedLinux? Just in case no one's figured it out, I'm just pissed. Until this morning, I missed Caldera; I just realized that what I *really* missed was Caldera's potential and, with just a couple of exceptions, the people with whom I worked at Caldera. The company has a death wish, and, not content with their own self-destruction, have persuaded three other Linux companies to jump off the cliff with them. Kurt -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:25pm up 42 days, 2:16, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Mozilla memory leak
Well I missed (just) getting 100 days uptime because of Mozilla. I have the latest build loaded, 1.0.0+, and I left a few window open for a few days. When I got home this evening, my system was totally locked up. I couldn't get the monitor to respond, no rlogin, no telnet. And I could hear the disk reading writing, so I assumed that whatever was happening, the disk was thrashing. So I hit the reset, and after all the fsck's hit the logs and found that I had run out of memory ( I have half a Gig!), because of Mozilla. So be careful - don't leave any loose Mozillas open. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
begin Kurt Wall's quote: | Still optimistic, dep? I, for one, am glad *that's* over. Nothing | like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal to start my | day off right. I should have known better. Once again, Caldera has | snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Fscking amazing. still optimistic? but of course! there will still be linux, and there will still be a community, and all the geniuses who have thusfar totally screwed up will continue to do so, and linux will in that sphere achieve all the power and prestige of AIX, and the companies will draw the wrong conclusions. i *am* red-faced for having given them too much credit -- they went *out of their way* to say that the companies are *prohibited* from producing a unitedlinux desktop distribution. as with the release of caldera 3.0, if they would have just shut the hell up, maybe thrown a bone to the community in the form of isos, it might have been okay. but, if you remember, when 3.0 was released they first said something about business only, no isos, per-seat licensing -- in otherwords, desktop people: go to hell, and they ended up retracting or weaseling around much of it, but by then the damage was done. today, they gratuitously dissed the linux community, and there lies a world of hurt. but what is so mindbogglingly stupid about it is *they didn't have to! they gained nothing by doing it!* and the damage is done. they could send CDs out by bulk mail, aol-style, and it probably wouldn't fix the stuff they broke today for no reason at all. the whole thing, the conference call, was chillingly reminiscent of the rollout of OS/2, in which a multitude of things that never happened were announced. the companies were all lined up to cheerlead (it should be noted that several mentioned that they were certainly sticking to their associations with red hat, too), at what amounts to no cost to them. so yeah, the linux equivalent of the hindenburg was launched today. oh, the humanity! but just because four makers of not-all-that-good distributions decided to leave the loop for the circle jerk, we needn't despair. the decks have been cleared. debian will still don its hooded cloaks and hold its secret blood rituals; slack is actually doing things that make it bright and modern and very possibly the best desktop distro; lycoris is showing promise, as are a couple of others; and there may now be even more reason to build to the skippy standard, which really *could* turn out being the best desktop distro ever. | That's the last time I cross *my* fingers. hey. we crossed ours. they raised one of theirs. i'd rather be in our position than theirs. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Collins wrote: We know about Caldera (Corporate Logo should be a toilet bowl all aflush). The other players seem to have some business smarts, so why are they aligning themselves with an unlucky player? Because none of them was doing all that well in the 'global' marketplace. Connectiva has no chance of ever breaking out of Latin America. SuSE has been having a hell of a time expanding out of Europe. Turbo has found alot of success in Asia, however they've been going through a bloodbath in the US for over a year. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:30pm up 42 days, 2:21, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
Hrmmm...i dunno about this. I've had Mozilla-0.9.9 open running continuously since it was released, and my box never had a problem. I've also had 1.00-rc2 up running since it came out on 10-May-02 and haven't had a problem. Alan Jackson wrote: Well I missed (just) getting 100 days uptime because of Mozilla. I have the latest build loaded, 1.0.0+, and I left a few window open for a few days. When I got home this evening, my system was totally locked up. I couldn't get the monitor to respond, no rlogin, no telnet. And I could hear the disk reading writing, so I assumed that whatever was happening, the disk was thrashing. So I hit the reset, and after all the fsck's hit the logs and found that I had run out of memory ( I have half a Gig!), because of Mozilla. So be careful - don't leave any loose Mozillas open. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:45pm up 42 days, 2:36, 5 users, load average: 0.13, 0.21, 0.12 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On May 30, 2002 07:15 pm, Collins wrote: That's the last time I cross *my* fingers. We know about Caldera (Corporate Logo should be a toilet bowl all aflush). The other players seem to have some business smarts, so why are they aligning themselves with an unlucky player? Unlucky player? Didn't you mean totally, completely missmanaged by a total idiot (a legend in his own mind) player -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
Well, I really thought this was the start of something good also. 'Til they got to the desktop part. But seems to me they've made our lives easier. That's just 4 distros I no longer have to consider in my search for the right one. I better get busy learning RedHat! Michael dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Kurt Wall's quote: | Still optimistic, dep? I, for one, am glad *that's* over. Nothing | like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal to start my | day off right. I should have known better. Once again, Caldera has | snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Fscking amazing. still optimistic? but of course! there will still be linux, and there will still be a community, and all the geniuses who have thusfar totally screwed up will continue to do so, and linux will in that sphere achieve all the power and prestige of AIX, and the companies will draw the wrong conclusions. i *am* red-faced for having given them too much credit -- they went *out of their way* to say that the companies are *prohibited* from producing a unitedlinux desktop distribution. as with the release of caldera 3.0, if they would have just shut the hell up, maybe thrown a bone to the community in the form of isos, it might have been okay. but, if you remember, when 3.0 was released they first said something about business only, no isos, per-seat licensing -- in otherwords, desktop people: go to hell, and they ended up retracting or weaseling around much of it, but by then the damage was done. today, they gratuitously dissed the linux community, and there lies a world of hurt. but what is so mindbogglingly stupid about it is *they didn't have to! they gained nothing by doing it!* and the damage is done. they could send CDs out by bulk mail, aol-style, and it probably wouldn't fix the stuff they broke today for no reason at all. the whole thing, the conference call, was chillingly reminiscent of the rollout of OS/2, in which a multitude of things that never happened were announced. the companies were all lined up to cheerlead (it should be noted that several mentioned that they were certainly sticking to their associations with red hat, too), at what amounts to no cost to them. so yeah, the linux equivalent of the hindenburg was launched today. oh, the humanity! but just because four makers of not-all-that-good distributions decided to leave the loop for the circle jerk, we needn't despair. the decks have been cleared. debian will still don its hooded cloaks and hold its secret blood rituals; slack is actually doing things that make it bright and modern and very possibly the best desktop distro; lycoris is showing promise, as are a couple of others; and there may now be even more reason to build to the skippy standard, which really *could* turn out being the best desktop distro ever. | That's the last time I cross *my* fingers. hey. we crossed ours. they raised one of theirs. i'd rather be in our position than theirs. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Mozilla memory leak
Don't know if this is related ... I'm running Mozilla 1.0rc2. ps aux | grep moz root 16639 4.5 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:03 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16641 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16642 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16643 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16644 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16645 0.0 9.2 38820 23640 ? S22:07 0:00 /usr/lib/mozilla/ root 16650 0.0 0.1 1456 452 pts/0S22:08 0:00 grep moz Is Mozilla a PIG or what? Six freaking processes and 55% of my memory usage. This is with one instance running. I'm starting to wonder about Moz. Michael Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I missed (just) getting 100 days uptime because of Mozilla. I have the latest build loaded, 1.0.0+, and I left a few window open for a few days. When I got home this evening, my system was totally locked up. I couldn't get the monitor to respond, no rlogin, no telnet. And I could hear the disk reading writing, so I assumed that whatever was happening, the disk was thrashing. So I hit the reset, and after all the fsck's hit the logs and found that I had run out of memory ( I have half a Gig!), because of Mozilla. So be careful - don't leave any loose Mozillas open. -- - -- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | | - -- ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Thu, 30 May 2002 22:14:05 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case no one's figured it out, I'm just pissed. Until this morning, I missed Caldera; I just realized that what I *really* missed was Caldera's potential and, with just a couple of exceptions, the people with whom I worked at Caldera. The company has a death wish, and, not content with their own self-destruction, have persuaded three other Linux companies to jump off the cliff with them. So perhaps Caldera could release LemmingLinux? rickf ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: more on unitedlinux
On Thursday 30 May 2002 16:19, Net Llama! wrote: As he put it i hope that the engineering is far better than the contents of this paper. Criptography... shit! The format and layout looks suspiciously like a Caldera white papaer - Kurt, do you agree? Their licensing stance sounds rather ominous and smacks of Ransom Love (the friend of Open Source - not!). -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: unitedlinux: it gets weirder
On Thursday 30 May 2002 19:15, dep wrote: begin Tim Wunder's quote: | no, in fact they went out of their way to say that a desktop | distro *may not* carry the unitedlinux brand. | | Hmmm...OK, I obviously read it wrong. I just read it again and it | appears that you're right. But...Well...that just doesn't make any | sense... which is why we put up an editorial entitled unitedyawnix after going over it all a second time. we need to understand that we are mere users and therefore not only of no importance but in fact to be avoided. after all, it was companies, not users, who created linux in the first place, right? As far as I can see this appears to be led by the Caldera Marketing gaggle which, since the SCO merger, has demonstrated remarkable ineptitude, insensitivity and a complete lack of knowledge of even the basics of Linux -- or computing for that matter. These are business dev and marketing drones with shiny loafers who know (or care) nothing about the technology... they are just bundling, packing and pushing for money, period. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
