Re: rpm -ra
On Monday 24 June 2002 09:43 am, Myles Green enshrined in prose: On June 23, 2002 04:28 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: when using this command to make from a tar file what is the correct syntax ? I used it as rpm -ra xine-lib-0.9.12.tar.gz and it told me that the arguments were wrong. That's because 'rpm -ra' is incorrect, it's 'rpm -ta' if you want to build from a tarball. HTH, Of course it is, this is one of my lesser days. Started early and rushed through a download, use -ra instead of -ta, did not see my stupidity. End result egg on face, this evening. Oh well! have done worse previously, but thanks, it did not sink intill I saw that reply. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Practical limit to PATH statement length?
all, Just wondering if linux has an upper limit to the $PATH length... Have been installing apps in /usr/local/app_name and PATH is becoming a war and peace book. Thanks -- James McDonald MCSE (Windows 2000/NT4), CCNA, CCA, MCP + I Registered Linux User #209832 http://jamesmcd.dns2go.com (home) Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) 9:03pm up 17:40, 7 users, load average: 0.41, 0.45, 0.37 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Practical limit to PATH statement length?
Also sprach James McDonald: all, Just wondering if linux has an upper limit to the $PATH length... Have been installing apps in /usr/local/app_name and PATH is becoming a war and peace book. There is, but it's something like 1024 or 2048 characters. To shorten PATH, you can create symlinks to the /usr/local/app_name/app_name_binary in /usr/local/bin... Kurt -- Fortune finishes the great quotations, #12 Those who can, do. Those who can't, write the instructions. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Cups help
Lonnie No, It had been working and started giving me problems about a month ago. This weekend, I reinstalled the latest version of cups from tar chkinstall. The startup script says it started the damon and the status says not started. A check of the log indicates a bind failure. Did log check last night, should have done this earlier, too much going on here. System used to print fine. Also when I ps -ax | grep cupsd no return of running damon. Now if grep -irn 631 * only /etc/cups/cupsd.conf /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.rpmsave have any mention of port 631. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: Virus Scanning for Linux Email Downloader
http://www.amavis.org/ Can I layer Spamassassin on top of that yet? Just started on a similiar project. From what I can tell -- yes. Will also be running spamassassin. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Sunday 23 June 2002 10:21 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: I have yet to find anywhere in the bible that says thou shalt give xx% of your yearly earnings to GOD JMHO A couple of quick references ... Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. ... Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. The answers are in there. (And they're no harder to find than Linux documentation :-) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Virus Scanning for Linux Email Downloader
Thanks for the pointers to mailscanner and amavis.org. I'll check them out. Are these free av products as prompt thorough about updating virus definitions as, say, Norton McAfee? Seems like it would be a nearly impossible job without significant full-time staff. Michael On Sunday 23 June 2002 06:44 pm, Gerry Doris wrote: I suggest you use mailscanner. It will work with serveral virus engines and also uses spamassassin if you have it installed. It comes as an rpm package for redhat and works with sendmail or exim. On Monday 24 June 2002 06:48 am, Schmeits, Roger wrote: http://www.amavis.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux: Live Kernel Upgrades - KernelTrap
What would open a securtiy hole?? I still don't follow you. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, m.w.chang wrote: I glanced over it until the later part which was beyond me. I just worried that it would open another security hole... definitely not smoking anything special. Net Llama! wrote: I'll 2nd that request. Give me the hooch too, so i can also see viri where there are none. isn't it no better than a virus? I guess counter-terrorists will love this idea... :) Interesting stuff. Kinda the last frontier in a way. http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=284 That was awsome stuff, thanks! -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Practical limit to PATH statement length?
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Kurt Wall wrote: Also sprach James McDonald: all, Just wondering if linux has an upper limit to the $PATH length... Have been installing apps in /usr/local/app_name and PATH is becoming a war and peace book. There is, but it's something like 1024 or 2048 characters. To shorten PATH, you can create symlinks to the /usr/local/app_name/app_name_binary in /usr/local/bin... I think the more important issue is why you're installing everything in such a non-traditional fashion. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Cups help
Sorry, you got me stumped. I've never used CUPS, so i really don't have much to go on here. On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Richard R. Sivernell wrote: Lonnie No, It had been working and started giving me problems about a month ago. This weekend, I reinstalled the latest version of cups from tar chkinstall. The startup script says it started the damon and the status says not started. A check of the log indicates a bind failure. Did log check last night, should have done this earlier, too much going on here. System used to print fine. Also when I ps -ax | grep cupsd no return of running damon. Now if grep -irn 631 * only /etc/cups/cupsd.conf /etc/cups/cupsd.conf.rpmsave have any mention of port 631. cheers -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Virus Scanning for Linux Email Downloader
Thanks for the pointers to mailscanner and amavis.org. I'll check them out. Are these free av products as prompt thorough about updating virus definitions as, say, Norton McAfee? Seems like it would be a nearly impossible job without significant full-time staff. Michael Mailscanner is free but the virus engines aren't. You will still need a licensed version of McAfee, Sophos, F-Prot, or whatever virus package you decide to use. Unfotunately, most of these packages are targetted at corporations and don't have an affordable price for small users. I'm not sure what your appication is? F-Prot will allow their package to be used for free on linux systems for personal/hobby use. Business use requires a license. Gerry -- The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Can't access printer - Never mind
On Sun June 23 2002 02:36 pm, Net Llama! wrote: Care to elaborate how, so that others might benefit in the future? edj wrote: Sorry to have posted. Solved with lpadmin. /etc/cups/printers.conf had AllowUser All. I thought that was good enough. After many vain attempts at reconfiguring, I was willing to take a stab at anything. So, I ran: lpadmin -p ps1 -u allow:root,edj, added all other users here That is, I added every user manually, rather than relying on All. That did it. Humming along perfectly now. Go figure. Whoever is not listed will not print, even root. -- Ed Jabbour = I had written: Anyone with a hint why I can't print? CUPS 1.1.10-3, HP 812C printer, ESP Ghostscript 7.05-2. /var/log/cups/errors.log: d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] ProcessIPPRequest(0x402c1008[3]): operation_id = 0002 d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] print_job(0x402c1008[3], ipp://localhost:631/printers/ps1) D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] print_job: auto-typing file... D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] print_job: request file type is text/plain. d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] check_quotas(0x402c1008[3], 0x8093940[ps1]) D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] check_quotas: requesting-user-name = 'edj' I [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] Denying user edj access to printer ps1 d [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] send_ipp_error(0x402c1008[3], 404) D [23/Jun/2002:12:21:27 -0500] Sending error: client-error-not-possible Port 631 is open and listening; why the 404?? Where can I get myself acces to my printer?? Thanks for any help. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Clueless Network Prob
I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a firewall box. My apologies. You probably want to do that using subinterfaces, although I'm not quite sure what it's gaining you. I assume that the NAT router is an appliance, like a LinkSys DSL router or somesuch, correct? You don't have the NAT Router allowing externally originated traffic to the server, do you? (This would require a static NAT or PAT of some sort on the NAT Router). On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:05:46 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears there is no way to make it work using tye typical NAT router that can only deal with one subnet. Here's what I wanted because I already have the NAT router: Server 192.168.0.4 || 192.168.0.5 || LAN -- hub --- NAT Router --- Internet Traffic flow: LAN - hub - Router (LAN Inet traffic bypasses server) LAN - hub - server (local traffic unsecure, but private to addr 0.4) Server - hub - Router (secure but using 0.5 address) The key would be assigning certain ports to certain eths. I know how to: Make addr 0.4 invisible to the router. Make inbound traffic come to addr 0.5. The LAN PCs will only use addr 0.4 since they only know file sharing. It is an easy problem to solve if you put the server essentially where the hub is, but then the server must act as a router for all the LAN-Internet traffic. I'm going to look into the subinterface idea (which I didn't know about) Thanks. Michael On Sunday 23 June 2002 07:43 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: So you want to share the same WIRE for both the Internet connection and the protected network? This is generally considered less than optimum for security, since a hacker need only compromise the router to have complete access to your protected network. However, if you ARE going to attempt this, you can do this in a couple different ways. The differences are only in whether or not you use two interfaces. Using one interface and subinterface(s) - which are basically only additional ip addresses for the same NIC. You can have two interfaces connected to the same WIRE, but that doesn't mean they are on the same subnet. By subnet I mean IP network. Not wanting to assume that you know this but believing you probably do, there are several IP ranges set aside for private use: 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, and 192.168.0.0/16. Microsoft ALSO decided to add their own range of 169.something, for Windows boxes which are configured for DHCP but there's no DHCP server available. If you need help subnetting IP and would like a refresher, feel free to email me offlist and I'll explain how best to use these ranges. If you want to use two NICs (network interface cards, for anyone who does know), just set them on different IP subnets. Assign an IP address on the registered IP address range (the one assigned you by the ISP), and assign a PRIVATE IP address to the other interface. This will become theDefault Gateway for all the hosts on the protected network. If you are going to go this route and a separate hub is a problem, I would actually use a cross-over cable to connect the firewall directly to the Internet router and only connect the protected interface to your hub/switch. This is the method which I would recommend, knowing very little about your needs. If you are going to use the same wire (hub/vlan) for both protected and Internet address ranges, why waste the extra NIC? Use it in another box. You can create a subinterface for a NIC in a couple different ways. Manually, by typing the following as root: ifconfig eth0:0 10.150.14.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.150.14.255 up This will create a subinterface which lives on eth0. The rest is self-explanatory. Ask if you would like further explanation. To have this interface created and controlled like a normal interface, most RedHat-like (RH/MDK/COL/etc..) distros will allow you to create a file such as /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0 which will look very similar to the ifcfg-eth0 in the same location. Some distros allow you to create subinterfaces in their GUI tools as well. Using subinterfaces will basically do the same as using two interfaces, you'll just be limiting the amount of traffic you can send through the box but who even has a 10mb connection to the Internet, much less a 100mb one? If this is clear as mud, let me know and I can try to clean it up. Sorry that the formatting isn't the best for reading. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
This, along with the efforts to erradicate religeon from the world, is probably why so many are willing to off themselves. Oops. I forgot. I'm already over my quota for participating in controversial conversation for the month. My bad. On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:03:35 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think all religions are simply tools to control the ignorant. Certainly, religous belief provides sentient creatures with a rationale to continue their existence. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
I must admit that back in the 16th century the Catholic church was pretty opportunistic with it's power... This turned the Dark Ages darker. It certainly didn't give God a good name, especially in recent years... almost like in the 70's, Amway distributors went door-to-door in the US and were really not good representatives of Amway, which gave Amway a bad name. On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:21:11 -0700 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do not believe that its the religion that tends to rule the people. If anything, religion lends a sense of balance. However, the church on the other hand uses religion to control the people so as to ensure a supply of steadily flowing cash. I have yet to find anywhere in the bible that saysthou shalt give xx% of your yearly earnings to GOD ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Can't access printer - Never mind
I see that CUPS has user vs. system defaults. Maybe a user default was set that, unless explicitly set in a global setting, is overriding the settings for each user. Some menu items have 'Set as user default' and some just 'Set as default'. I am convinced that this duality of settings caused me similiar problems with CUPS a while back. I like the concept, but don't feel I understand which parts are effected by each 'class' of settings. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Monday 24 June 2002 09:18 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: I must admit that back in the 16th century the Catholic church was pretty opportunistic with it's power... This turned the Dark Ages darker. It certainly didn't give God a good name, especially in recent years... almost like in the 70's, Amway distributors went door-to-door in the US and were really not good representatives of Amway, which gave Amway a bad name. Yes. And it's an apt comparision. Little of what makes news under the banner of Christianity can be justified under the Scripture. Just like those distributors broke the Business Rules Code of Conduct. (IIRC). I could introduce you to scores of people who lead lives that would be the envy of 99.999% of the world and they credit it all to Jesus Christ. And I know several who make a good living marketing Amway's excellent (if a bit expensive :-) products. Lots of people will never give Linux a look because it's seeming connection to the juvenile delinquents such as over at slashdot. It's the same thing. But don't try to explain any of that to someone who has decided Religion is just bad and that Amway is a scam/cult/pyramid. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Virus Scanning for Linux Email Downloader
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Gerry Doris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the pointers to mailscanner and amavis.org. I'll check them out. Are these free av products as prompt thorough about updating virus definitions as, say, Norton McAfee? Seems like it would be a nearly impossible job without significant full-time staff. Michael Mailscanner is free but the virus engines aren't. You will still need a licensed version of McAfee, Sophos, F-Prot, or whatever virus package you decide to use. Unfotunately, most of these packages are targetted at corporations and don't have an affordable price for small users. I'm not sure what your appication is? F-Prot will allow their package to be used for free on linux systems for personal/hobby use. Business use requires a license. Gerry -- The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. f-prot is the best I have ever used. Give it a look. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Cups help
Thanks Lonnie -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Clueless Network Prob
Correct. I'm trying to avoid turning this box into a firewall/router. Especially since I already have the router (a LinkSys). The subinterface looks like the way to go. How best to read up on it? It's easy to tell the router to send inbound connection attempts to a particular addr or port on the LAN (and nowhere else). That makes it look like that one addr/port is on the Intenet but everything else remains invisible (a necessity since they're all Win boxes). My hope is to allow a few select secure connections (to this box only) for remote admin data access. Thankfully I don't need it working today. I've got a fair bit of learnin' to do. Know anything about providing secure samba via SSH, VPN, ipSEC or somesuch? Thanks, Michael On Monday 24 June 2002 09:06 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a firewall box. My apologies. You probably want to do that using subinterfaces, although I'm not quite sure what it's gaining you. I assume that the NAT router is an appliance, like a LinkSys DSL router or somesuch, correct? You don't have the NAT Router allowing externally originated traffic to the server, do you? (This would require a static NAT or PAT of some sort on the NAT Router). ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
I don't think all religions are simply tools to control the ignorant. Certainly, religous belief provides sentient creatures with a rationale to continue their existence. Joel I think. Therefore I am! - famous French philosopher, devisor of analytical geometry, and developer of the scientific method. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On June 24, 2002 07:37 am, Michael Hipp wrote: SNIP But don't try to explain any of that to someone who has decided Religion is just bad and that Amway is a scam/cult/pyramid. Michael Quite true. Its unfortunate that the messengers have twisted the message to suit their greed. Having said that, I too have exceeded my quota of controversial comments. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Clueless Network Prob
I'm not sure what you need to read up on What I've told you is basically the generic Linux information. As stated, each distro either does or doesn't do sub-interfaces using their own GUI tools, but finding docs on that would be specific to your distro. I am not sure about WebMin. That might be a good way to do it and read about it if available. As for your server, be sure you use IPChains or NetFilter (preferred) to secure that server. Allow only what's necessary from the outside and drop everything else. A quick Google search doesn't turn up anything immediately interesting about subinterfaces for Linux. Perhaps a good book? Subinterfaces can be used for one of two (At least two that I use them for) purposes: 1) To make one NIC talk on the same WIRE for multiple SUBNETs. This is good for firewalls on a stick or other situations where a secondary subnet exists on the same physical local network. This is typically used in Routing. 2) To make one NIC answer on the same WIRE for multiple IP address on the SAME SUBNET. This is typically used for virtual-web servers and things of that nature, as well as static NAT-ing on a NAT box so that the NAT box answers for those other IP addresses. *) I'm sure someone else will come up with another reason to use IP Subinterfaces... the beauty of Linux: Flexibility and Power. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:46:49 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct. I'm trying to avoid turning this box into a firewall/router. Especially since I already have the router (a LinkSys). The subinterface looks like the way to go. How best to read up on it? It's easy to tell the router to send inbound connection attempts to a particular addr or port on the LAN (and nowhere else). That makes it look like that one addr/port is on the Intenet but everything else remains invisible (a necessity since they're all Win boxes). My hope is to allow a few select secure connections (to this box only) for remote admin data access. Thankfully I don't need it working today. I've got a fair bit of learnin' to do. Know anything about providing secure samba via SSH, VPN, ipSEC or somesuch? Thanks, Michael On Monday 24 June 2002 09:06 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a firewall box. My apologies. You probably want to do that using subinterfaces, although I'm not quite sure what it's gaining you. I assume that the NAT router is an appliance, like a LinkSys DSL router or somesuch, correct? You don't have the NAT Router allowing externally originated traffic to the server, do you? (This would require a static NAT or PAT of some sort on the NAT Router). ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Clueless Network Prob
AFter thinking about it some more, try a google search for sub-interface linux or IP Alias linux. Also, if you search at TLDP.org, it will turn up at least one match. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:46:49 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like the way to go. How best to read up on it? Know anything about providing secure samba via SSH, VPN, ipSEC or somesuch? VPN through IPSEC, using FreeSwan for Linux, BSD has their own implementation, and Cisco has their own. Checkpoint does as well. SSH can be used to create tunnels, but I'm not sure it'd be a pretty implementation, if doable at all. The ports would look like they were local on the remote box, which could be powerful and it could be ugly. I think VPN is the way to go. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
There is none so blind as he who will not see (I'd like to teach the world to sing). A couple years ago, this was akin to trying to explain to a West-Michigan business that Linux was the way to go. They had made up their mind, probably from some Windows magazine, that it was a fad which would pass. Unfortunately for them, fad or not, the economics and freedoms just make sense. But that would be off the topic. On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:37:35 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't try to explain any of that to someone who has decided Religion is just bad and that Amway is a scam/cult/pyramid. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Monday 24 June 2002 10:50 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: The Scientific-Method is an important guideline, but through logical analysis is reduced to a good method to approach learning, not the answers to all questions. To think otherwise would be ludicrous since it one would have to then assume that all that can be known is observable in a measureable fashion. The very existence of a Living God, who chose NOT to be manipulated would disruptall attempts at measurement for may things. This is why there are still Wonders Of The World. While we attempt to sweep any religeous possibilities under the carpet, we end up doing a great deal of damage to the world, both for those who do not believe in a supreme being as well as those who do. Well said. In fact, that's a pretty good synopsis of the Sunday School lesson I taught to the adult class 4 weeks entitled: False Gods of the 21st Century - Science. The nrxt week was: False Gods of the 21st Century - Democracy. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
I have yet to find anywhere in the bible that says thou shalt give xx% of your yearly earnings to GOD JMHO A couple of quick references ... Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. ... Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. The answers are in there. (And they're no harder to find than Linux documentation :-) But *so* open to interpretation. When asked about taxes Jesus is quoted as saying, Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's. This tells me that money goes to the government and faith goes to God. Doesn't sound like tithing to me. But of course, for the Jewish faith this bible passage doesn't count. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Monday 24 June 2002 11:38 am, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: But *so* open to interpretation. When asked about taxes Jesus is quoted as saying, Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's. This tells me that money goes to the government and faith goes to God. Doesn't sound like tithing to me. But of course, for the Jewish faith this bible passage doesn't count. Actually not. There is nothing whatsoever in that quote to indicate that Jesus was repealing the command to tithe. The question was about the lawfulness of paying taxes to Caesar. He answered yes as do later NT passages about obeying government (bummer!). Render unto God, what is God's would be inclusive of tithing (tho that certainly isn't the most important thing). And paying taxes and tithing are in no way mutually exclusive. The OT says that a tenth is God's. Such is a common pitfall. The idea that the Bible is so open to interpretation that it renders it null and void. Many use that as an excuse to ignore it. A pass on everything. Utterly wrong. And deadly. It isn't open to interpretation. We just hamper it with our limited understanding, lack of faith, injection of human agendas, and reliance on what others say it says rather than on what it really says. Just to name a few of the enemie's tricks. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
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Matthew Carpenter wrote: You may think, but there are certainly those who am and don't. We are by default are like sheep. It takes concerted effort to turn that gray-matter into a thinking machine, and unfortunately there are not many in this age which will do so. Unfortunately, the current reigning religion in this part of the world has always been numbered with those who prefer not have the common man think. Don't think. Just believe what the shaman, priest, televanglist says is in the book and paradise is yours. Never mind injustice. The bad guys will get theirs in the next world, so just go along with the political corruption, greed, environmental destruction and whatever is necessary to make the payments on the SUV. In the Middle Ages we had the Great Chain of Being. So what if the local noble had raped your daughter on her wedding night and driven off the village herd to pay for a celebration when his son became of age to join the family firm of Robber Baron and Son, Ltd. If you were a serf God had put you on the bottom of the chain just as he had placed the baron on the top. To question your place was to question God. To demand justice was presumption to take into man's hands that which was God's. Later, we had John Calvin, who preached never mind what Christ said about the rich not getting into paradise. The real truth is that God already knows who will be saved and who will not. Therefore it is only logical to believe that God pours his blessings on those predestined few and the mark of God's favor was riches. A real double banger. No thought required and God's blessings on riches swindled from the undestined. That mindless theology of greed still survives today in the heresy of the Protestant Work Ethic. Along with Creationism, which is an attack on all sciences that dare to claim that the universe was created before 4004 BC Aug. 4th at 10:04 am. Couple this with the current efforts by right wing non-christian fundamentalists to stifle stem cell research. So what if a cure for cancer can be found or new organ produced. The pain, suffering and death is acceptable as long as fundamentalist religious beliefs aren't questioned. Then there is the Church's objection to in vitro fertilization because somehow the soul can only be fused with the embryo in a womb not in glass ware. Then let us not forget the Holocaust. At the time, Christianity claimed that the Jews were an accursed race because they had killed Christ. Funny I always thought it was Romans (Italians). But the Pope was Italian so it must have that the entire population of Judah dropped into Jerusalem to demand Christ's death from the innocent Romans. Therefore it was ok to murder a few million decedents on the theory the sons bear the guilt of the fathers. That by the way is called a Bill of Attainer and is outlawed by the U.S. Constitution. A case where man appears to be more just than the God he prays to. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
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Reading Will Durant's big multivolume history, he spends a lot of time (about two volumes) on the Age of Voltaire and Rousseau and Revolution. There was no shortage of French intellectuals who distained religion, and worked hard to undermine it and make humanism (whatever that is) the center of intellectual life. In the end, they got the French Revolution AND religion. Not much of an improvement. The bottom line was, and remains, logic and freedom of thought alone just don't provide most people with enough reason to live and propagate. So, as he aptly summed up, we die at the top but breed from the bottom. Basic Darwinism explains how religion has survived despite centuries of attempts by educated people to eradicate it. The educated elites always die out, from lack of hope if nothing else. Joel On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 11:34:22AM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: On Monday 24 June 2002 10:50 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: The Scientific-Method is an important guideline, but through logical analysis is reduced to a good method to approach learning, not the answers to all questions. To think otherwise would be ludicrous since it one would have to then assume that all that can be known is observable in a measureable fashion. The very existence of a Living God, who chose NOT to be manipulated would disruptall attempts at measurement for may things. This is why there are still Wonders Of The World. While we attempt to sweep any religeous possibilities under the carpet, we end up doing a great deal of damage to the world, both for those who do not believe in a supreme being as well as those who do. Well said. In fact, that's a pretty good synopsis of the Sunday School lesson I taught to the adult class 4 weeks entitled: False Gods of the 21st Century - Science. The nrxt week was: False Gods of the 21st Century - Democracy. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
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People often point to the Holocaust as a way to criticize Christians. In the case of the Holocaust, religion WASN'T the motive. The point was to get rid of the Jews, who had much money and power in the European world circa 1930. Hitler was afraid of the Jews because of their power. I don't recall anything in Mein Kampf about religion and the Jews. It was just power. Hitler and Himmler also can not be confused with Christians. I do not believe Hitler had any Christian pretensions. Himmler himself had plans to eliminate Christianity and replace it with a pagan religion based on loyalty to the Clan (Volk, I think he called it), with the whole idea that the Clan was the important entity and individuals were just manifestations of it. Sounds sorta Oriental but it was a primitive we/they type of religion, based on genetic similarity and shared values. Does this sound like any prominent religion in the Middle East today? Joel Then let us not forget the Holocaust. At the time, Christianity claimed that the Jews were an accursed race because they had killed Christ. Funny I always thought it was Romans (Italians). But the Pope was Italian so it must have that the entire population of Judah dropped into Jerusalem to demand Christ's death from the innocent Romans. Therefore it was ok to murder a few million decedents on the theory the sons bear the guilt of the fathers. That by the way is called a Bill of Attainer and is outlawed by the U.S. Constitution. A case where man appears to be more just than the God he prays to. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
Joel Hammer wrote: People often point to the Holocaust as a way to criticize Christians. In the case of the Holocaust, religion WASN'T the motive. The point was to get rid of the Jews, who had much money and power in the European world circa 1930. Hitler was afraid of the Jews because of their power. I don't recall anything in Mein Kampf about religion and the Jews. It was just power. Hitler and Himmler also can not be confused with Christians. I do not believe Hitler had any Christian pretensions. Himmler himself had plans to eliminate Christianity and replace it with a pagan religion based on loyalty to the Clan (Volk, I think he called it), with the whole idea that the Clan was the important entity and individuals were just manifestations of it. Sounds sorta Oriental but it was a primitive we/they type of religion, based on genetic similarity and shared values. Does this sound like any prominent religion in the Middle East today? Joel An important note that is not discussed by the borne again fundalmetalists is that anti-semenism had it's roots in Christianity in the Dark Ages and was even in the teachings of Church. The jews were an accursed race because they had killed Christ. The fact that only about twenty of them had anything to do with it didn't bother the Church Fathers. They, like today's super Christians, believe in the Old Testiment idea of justice by punishing the innocent for the sins of the guilty. If twenty Jews clammered for Christ's death then they were all guilty even the ones who shouted for Christ to be freed. And if they were guilty then all their offspring are guilty. If they were guilty of that then they were guilty of anything. Hitler even asked is there any foulness that the Jew in not associated with? Hitler's anti-sementism was just an offshoot of the Christian anti-semenism of the middle ages. If it was purely he wouldn't have bothered with poor Jewish push cart operators w! ho, if the was a conspiracy of bankers , were obviously not part of it Interestingly enough, at the meeting of top leaders of the Reich that approved the Final Solution one voice was raised against it. From a judge who claimed that the jews should be removed from all parts of German life because, they had killed Christ but that German law (even under the Nazis) forbid the outright slaughter of the Jews. Even in America we did nothing. anti-Semitism was very popular here and it was most often preached from the pulpits of Christians. Also the claim that man needs a God to have a reason for living and propagating. My cats do that and I doubt they have a God. Mark Twain doesn't seem to have done too badly without the central God. As for the intellectuals of the French Enlightenment few of them were outright atheists. Most of them were Deists who believed in God and Christ and that man was not by nature evil. They also believed that God did not interfere in this world, but left it to the good human nature to provided justice and happiness for our species. Deism was swept away by the backwoods stump preachers of the Great Awaking in the 1760s and 70s. The decedents of those stump preachers evolved into today's abortion clinic bombers and abortion doctor assassins. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Cups help
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:29:21 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:46:56 -0500 begin Richard R. Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth: Lonnie No, It had been working and started giving me problems about a month ago. This weekend, I reinstalled the latest version of cups from tar chkinstall. The startup script says it started the damon and the status says not started. A check of the log indicates a bind failure. Did log check last night, should have done this you must have something binding the port. Have you tried: netstat -pan | grep 631 Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. David the command return nothing, I removed the grep * inspected the result, found no 631 being used. Thanks still looking -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Practical limit to PATH statement length?
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:21, Net Llama! wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Kurt Wall wrote: Also sprach James McDonald: all, Just wondering if linux has an upper limit to the $PATH length... Have been installing apps in /usr/local/app_name and PATH is becoming a war and peace book. There is, but it's something like 1024 or 2048 characters. To shorten PATH, you can create symlinks to the /usr/local/app_name/app_name_binary in /usr/local/bin... I think the more important issue is why you're installing everything in such a non-traditional fashion. That prompts the question of where the appropriate paths for apps should be? ... usually I put most of my apps/upgrades in --prefix=/usr except when I already have a working version in /usr then I plonk it in /usr/local (actually most configure scripts i have used default to /usr/local). Although lately I am becoming fond of /opt because it's light on clutter. One would hate to go against tradition especially if ones path choices would confuse the digital gods and make them wrath over the heretical nature of my installation. I understand there is a movement to a standardized directory layout but I haven't found the source of that information yet. Anyone who could point me there would be much appreciated. -- James McDonald MCSE (Windows 2000/NT4), CCNA, CCA, MCP + I Registered Linux User #209832 http://jamesmcd.dns2go.com (home) Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) 8:58am up 1:29, 4 users, load average: 0.43, 0.25, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:45:12 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading Will Durant's big multivolume history, [ lots snipped ] The nrxt week was: False Gods of the 21st Century - Democracy. Yawn! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1 experiences
Collins wrote: Over the weekend I put up Slackware 8.1 and ran for a couple of days. Pretty uneventful experience. The only real drawback is that they don't package Sylpheed, but at least they do offer Xfce. A few notes: 1) Slackware is still stuck in the Lilo world (some would say right on). I let it create a Lilo bootdisk, but for some reason that failed to boot. So I just updated my grub menu.lst and continued. Mhy boot disk worked, but I updated grub menu.lst also. 2) I couldn't get the precompiled kernel to recognize my ethernet card even after loading tulip, so I had to move over my kernel config and compile my usual kernel which worked without a hitch. Before the actual install there is a network setup, which detected my nic and installed tulip. Check the README or INSTALL files. 3) I didn't load or try kde. kde3 works fine here. 4) My one drawback, and I'm sure Slackware afficionados have a cure for this one, would be the problem of maintenance. I've gotten too spoiled by gentoo where everything is done for me. 5) On a scale of 1-10, I'd give Slack at least an 8. Agreed. Is there a printer config tool? (my HP840c won't work for some reason. I tried kde print tool but no luck) Command line 'lpr' works, but can't print from X. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1 experiences
[ snips ] On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:21:06 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins wrote: Over the weekend I put up Slackware 8.1 and ran for a couple of days. 2) I couldn't get the precompiled kernel to recognize my ethernet card even after loading tulip, so I had to move over my kernel config and compile my usual kernel which worked without a hitch. Before the actual install there is a network setup, which detected my nic and installed tulip. Check the README or INSTALL files. I should have been more explanatory. The network setup ran and detected the wrong card (picked some strange choice) other than tulip which works for the card. I have two nics (one unused at the moment). Even the gentoo installer makes the wrong choice. Strangely enough, if I compile tulip support into the kernel, the correct card is chosen and everything is cool. Go figure. Is there a printer config tool? (my HP840c won't work for some reason. I tried kde print tool but no luck) Command line 'lpr' works, but can't print from X. I gave up on printing. LPRng is installed and comes up OK. I added the lpdomatic stuff, the appropirate ppd file for my hplj1100 (=ljet4), and the recommended printcap entry, but for some reason the ...omatic stuff chokes on the (supposedly) valid ppd file - unable to parse successfully. Since I didn't plan to run Slack on a regular basis, I abandoned the project. cups, too, is flaky (on gentoo even), and I haven't got around to debugging it. I installed pdq, and I love the formatted output options. Good luck with Slack. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1 experiences
Collins wrote: Good luck with Slack. Thanks. I have 2 cdroms , one a dvd, and one a cd-rw. The dvd is hooked up for music cds, but I can't seem to make it work in Slack yet. I may give gentoo a try after hearing you raving lately about it. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1 experiences
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:09:37 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins wrote: Good luck with Slack. Thanks. I have 2 cdroms , one a dvd, and one a cd-rw. The dvd is hooked up for music cds, but I can't seem to make it work in Slack yet. I may give gentoo a try after hearing you raving lately about it. There is no perfect distro, but I really like gentoo. You have to put in some hard compile time, and you have to get used to a different install method and unique boot scripts, but it's really the only way for me. I did a reinstall in January just to check out the install process again, but other than that there was no need. You just install the upgrades as they come at your leisure. You just do emerge rsync and then emerge -pu world every couple of weeks to see what's new for your specific install base. Install upgrades while you surf and mail. Dan Robbins keeps saying that he doesn't recommend it yet for a server environment, but I don't see why not. It's more stable that anything I've ever used. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
Enough of the religious shit already, if I wanted to hear bout that stuff, I'd go to church. Mike ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
Ahmen to that. Mike Chambers wrote: Enough of the religious shit already, if I wanted to hear bout that stuff, I'd go to church. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:45pm up 67 days, 2:33, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.18 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Slackware 8.1
Hi Guys, I know that some of you have been down this road so I am curious what you may've done to do so. How did you get this thing installed? The boot and root disks require syslinux and nasm to be created, the iso is not even bootable, from any source I've been able to find. What is the deal with everything changing with this distro? Is this a trend or is it a slack only phenomena? I see alot of posting on the web with others who are having similar difficulties. I'm not really whining, I am wondering why/if the rule book has been rewritten? stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1
[ snips ] On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:35:20 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I know that some of you have been down this road so I am curious what you may've done to do so. How did you get this thing installed? The boot and root disks require syslinux and nasm to be created, the iso is not even bootable, from any source I've been able to find. I know nothing about boot/root disks, but I beg to differ about the ISO. All I did was download the ISO (1 hour plus on cable, YMMV with dialup) from I forget which mirror, use cdrecord to burn a cd, prep my partitions (Slack is not my only distro), boot up the cd, and install. Nothing could be simpler. Of course, I deviated by declining to use Lilo, since I have a working grub setup - no distro writes to my mbr, thank your very much! The install instructions (not much is needed) are in the online Slack manual. I haven't heard any horror stories; this is good stuff. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1
[ snip ] On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:35:20 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, What is the deal with everything changing with this distro? Is this a trend or is it a slack only phenomena? I see alot of posting on the web with others who are having similar difficulties. I'm not really whining, I am wondering why/if the rule book has been rewritten? A second reply. I don't have a clue what you're driving at. The basic installer for Slack hasn't changed much in a coon's age. It's been about 5 years since I put up Slackware, and it looks just the same now as it always did. A few more features like dhcp and the network script, but that's about it. Slack is Slack. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? gentoo(since 01/01/01) 2.4.18+(ext3) xfce-sylpheed-mozilla ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1
stayler wrote: Hi Guys, I know that some of you have been down this road so I am curious what you may've done to do so. How did you get this thing installed? The boot and root disks require syslinux and nasm to be created, the iso is not even bootable, from any source I've been able to find. I booted the iso and it installed. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
spam-assassin sxs
I have writen a few paragraphs, but was so afraid to submit it. here it
goes for a peer review first.
--
may the force, the farce and linux be with you.
See you in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org
Configuration Procmail for SpamAssasin
I would assumed you or your distribution installed
procmail and sendmail properly.
Fire up Perl's CPAN shell as per the README file in
doc dinstall Mail::SpamAssassin
# perl -MCPAN -e shell
cpan> o conf prerequisites_policy ask
cpan> install Mail::SpamAssassin
cpan> quit
You may need to update your perl first. Just follow
the instructions and answer the questions with default
answer (press ENTER).
If everything went well, you should able to fire up
SpamAssassin. Let's check it's online help.
# spamassassin -h
# man spamassassin
By default (for my Caldear Openlinux 3.1), the config file
for SpamAssassin is /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf. But
you can always overide this with
# spamassassin -a /path/to/local.cf
How does SpamAssassin work? When it was passed a message
from the stdin, it would make a call to a remote site
which contains a list called Realtime Black List (RBL)
with the sender's email address in the message. If the
sender's email address was in the RBL, it would add a
RFC822 modifier to the message "X-Spam-Status:" and set
it to "Yes".
Now that the spamming messages was tagged, you can use
procmail or whatever mail processor to remove it easily.
create /etc/procmailrc:
# you need a file ~/.forward with the following line:
# "|exec /usr/bin/procmail"
# user-specific procmailrc is ~/.procmailrc
#
# to run procmail for all users
# 1. create /etc/procmailrc
# 2. touch /var/log/procmail
# 3. chmod 666 /var/log/procmail
# 4. make sure that /var/log/junkmail is created
#
# rferences:
# http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/procmail.html
# the link features a simplified how-to of Nanay, plus a link
# to grep tutorial
#
# Next may be needed if you invoke programs from your procmailrc
# Details in Check Your $SHELL and $PATH in Troubleshooting below
#
PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin"
SHELL=/bin/sh
# Directory for storing procmail configuration and log files
# You can name the environment variable MDIR anything you like
# or, if you prefer, don't set it (but then don't refer to it!)
PMDIR=/tmp
# Put ## before LOGFILE if you want no logging (not recommended)
LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail
LOCKFILE=/tmp/procmail
# To insert a blank line between each message's log entry,
# uncomment next two lines (this is helpful for debugging)
LOG="
"
# Set to yes when debugging
VERBOSE=no
# Remove ## when debugging; set to no if you want minimal logging
## LOGABSTRACT=all
JUNKMAIL=/var/mail/nobody
NULL=/dev/null
# simplest rule for testing
:0
* ^Subject:.*test
{
LOG="test: "
:0
$JUNKMAIL
}
# if you want to use your own conf file
# -c /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
:0fw
| /usr/bin/spamassassin -P
:0
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
$JUNKMAIL
### general rules that indicated spam
:0
* ^X-Advertisement:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^X-Advertisment:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^From:.*(advertising|sales|offers|promotion|reply|request|theuseful)
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^Subject.*(\|<\pornography\>)
$JUNKMAIL
:0 B
* ^.*(\|<\pornography\>)
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^Message-ID: <>
$JUNKMAIL
# Mass mailing, no "To:"
:0
* !^To:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* !^From:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* !^Subject:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^Received: from --- unknown host ---
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^X-Mailer: RM-Super
* REMOVELIST:
$JUNKMAIL
# hosts that I didn't have accounts
:0
* ^To:.*@(mail-response|msn|aol|public|hotmail|webavenues|netcom|ix.netcom)\.com
* !^(To|Cc):.*(koos|kh)@
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^To:.*@(mts|usa)\.net
* !^(To|Cc):.*(koos|kh)@
$JUNKMAIL
### spam relay
:0
* ^Received: from .*(mail.mymail.net|tsf-industries|spamrelay|flash.net|freemanchester.com|ultramax.net)
$JUNKMAIL
# Catch purely numeric addresses
# ditto
:0
* ^From:.*( |<)[0-9]+@
$JUNKMAIL
# Bogus Pegasus header
#ditto
:0
* ^Comment: Authenticated sender is
* ! ^X-Mailer: Pegasus
$JUNKMAIL
# Bad message ids
# ditto
:0
* ^Message-Id:.*<[^@]*>
$JUNKMAIL
# "Our research indicates" crap
# ditto
:0 B
* (our|my) research indicates
$JUNKMAIL
# Multi-level marketing scams
# throw these away
:0 B
* multi(-| )?level marketing
$JUNKMAIL
# 2 dollar signs in the subject
# review these later
:0
* ^Subject:.*(\$\$)
$JUNKMAIL
# SirCam
:0 B
* > 10
* mDmcOaA5pDmoOaw5sDnAOeA56DnsOfA59Dn4Ofw5ADoEOgg6HDo8OkQ6SD
{
LOG="SirCam "
:0
$JUNKMAIL
}
# our own spam rules need to use formail to chop the message into parts
FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
# Grab the To: and From: headers
To=`$FORMAIL -zx To:`
CC=`$FORMAIL -zx Cc:`
FROM=`$FORMAIL -zX From: | $FORMAIL -zrx To:`
# Catch mail with no To: and no Cc:
:0
* TO??^S
* CC??^$
$JUNKMAIL
# check every email that comes in against the msgid.cache file
# and if it is a duplicate, through it out.
# if it's not, add the message id to the cache file
# also, keep the cache file limited to 16k
#
Re: spam-assassin sxs
sorry.. used the wrong file extension.
--
may the force, the farce and linux be with you.
See you in news://news.hkpcug.org and http://www.linux-sxs.org
BConfiguration Procmail for SpamAssasin/B
I would assumed you or your distribution installed
procmail and sendmail properly.
Fire up Perl's CPAN shell as per the README file in
doc dinstall Mail::SpamAssassin
pre
# perl -MCPAN -e shell
cpan o conf prerequisites_policy ask
cpan install Mail::SpamAssassin
cpan quit
/pre
You may need to update your perl first. Just follow
the instructions and answer the questions with default
answer (press ENTER).
If everything went well, you should able to fire up
SpamAssassin. Let's check it's online help.
# spamassassin -h
# man spamassassin
By default (for my Caldear Openlinux 3.1), the config file
for SpamAssassin is /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf. But
you can always overide this with
# spamassassin -a /path/to/local.cf
How does SpamAssassin work? When it was passed a message
from the stdin, it would make a call to a remote site
which contains a list called Realtime Black List (RBL)
with the sender's email address in the message. If the
sender's email address was in the RBL, it would add a
RFC822 modifier to the message X-Spam-Status: and set
it to Yes.
Now that the spamming messages was tagged, you can use
procmail or whatever mail processor to remove it easily.
create /etc/procmailrc:
# you need a file ~/.forward with the following line:
# |exec /usr/bin/procmail
# user-specific procmailrc is ~/.procmailrc
#
# to run procmail for all users
# 1. create /etc/procmailrc
# 2. touch /var/log/procmail
# 3. chmod 666 /var/log/procmail
# 4. make sure that /var/log/junkmail is created
#
# rferences:
# http://www.pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/procmail.html
# the link features a simplified how-to of Nanay, plus a link
# to grep tutorial
#
# Next may be needed if you invoke programs from your procmailrc
# Details in Check Your $SHELL and $PATH in Troubleshooting below
#
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
SHELL=/bin/sh
# Directory for storing procmail configuration and log files
# You can name the environment variable MDIR anything you like
# or, if you prefer, don't set it (but then don't refer to it!)
PMDIR=/tmp
# Put ## before LOGFILE if you want no logging (not recommended)
LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail
LOCKFILE=/tmp/procmail
# To insert a blank line between each message's log entry,
# uncomment next two lines (this is helpful for debugging)
LOG=
# Set to yes when debugging
VERBOSE=no
# Remove ## when debugging; set to no if you want minimal logging
## LOGABSTRACT=all
JUNKMAIL=/var/mail/nobody
NULL=/dev/null
# simplest rule for testing
:0
* ^Subject:.*test
{
LOG=test:
:0
$JUNKMAIL
}
# if you want to use your own conf file
# -c /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf
:0fw
| /usr/bin/spamassassin -P
:0
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
$JUNKMAIL
### general rules that indicated spam
:0
* ^X-Advertisement:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^X-Advertisment:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^From:.*(advertising|sales|offers|promotion|reply|request|theuseful)
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^Subject.*(\|\pornography\)
$JUNKMAIL
:0 B
* ^.*(\|\pornography\)
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^Message-ID:
$JUNKMAIL
# Mass mailing, no To:
:0
* !^To:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* !^From:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* !^Subject:
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^Received: from --- unknown host ---
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^X-Mailer: RM-Super
* REMOVELIST:
$JUNKMAIL
# hosts that I didn't have accounts
:0
* ^To:.*@(mail-response|msn|aol|public|hotmail|webavenues|netcom|ix.netcom)\.com
* !^(To|Cc):.*(koos|kh)@
$JUNKMAIL
:0
* ^To:.*@(mts|usa)\.net
* !^(To|Cc):.*(koos|kh)@
$JUNKMAIL
### spam relay
:0
* ^Received: from
.*(mail.mymail.net|tsf-industries|spamrelay|flash.net|freemanchester.com|ultramax.net)
$JUNKMAIL
# Catch purely numeric addresses
# ditto
:0
* ^From:.*( |)[0-9]+@
$JUNKMAIL
# Bogus Pegasus header
#ditto
:0
* ^Comment: Authenticated sender is
* ! ^X-Mailer: Pegasus
$JUNKMAIL
# Bad message ids
# ditto
:0
* ^Message-Id:.*[^@]*
$JUNKMAIL
# Our research indicates crap
# ditto
:0 B
* (our|my) research indicates
$JUNKMAIL
# Multi-level marketing scams
# throw these away
:0 B
* multi(-| )?level marketing
$JUNKMAIL
# 2 dollar signs in the subject
# review these later
:0
* ^Subject:.*(\$\$)
$JUNKMAIL
# SirCam
:0 B
* 10
* mDmcOaA5pDmoOaw5sDnAOeA56DnsOfA59Dn4Ofw5ADoEOgg6HDo8OkQ6SD
{
LOG=SirCam
:0
$JUNKMAIL
}
# our own spam rules need to use formail to chop the message into parts
FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
# Grab the To: and From: headers
To=`$FORMAIL -zx To:`
CC=`$FORMAIL -zx Cc:`
FROM=`$FORMAIL -zX From: | $FORMAIL -zrx To:`
# Catch mail with no To: and no Cc:
:0
* TO??^S
* CC??^$
$JUNKMAIL
# check every email that comes in against the msgid.cache file
# and if it is a duplicate, through it out.
# if it's not, add the message id to the cache file
# also, keep the cache file limited to 16k
# :0 Wh $LOCKFILE/msgid.lock
#| $FORMAIL -D 16384
Re: Slackware 8.1
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:50:27 -0600, Collins wrote: All I did was download the ISO (1 hour plus on cable, YMMV with dialup) from I forget which mirror, use cdrecord to burn a cd, prep my partitions (Slack is not my only distro), boot up the cd, and install. Nothing could be simpler. Of course, I deviated by declining to use Lilo, since I have a working grub setup - no distro writes to my mbr, thank your very much! I was able to get around the bootable CD problem finally as well. Seems only newer MB's with fixed bios' are able to boot the CD. Something about most bios' are broken somehow. stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:59:09 -0700, Ken Moffat wrote: I booted the iso and it installed. I had to switch to a newer system. My other MB is apparently too old to support this new bootable format. stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1
Apparently, The bootdisks and rootdisks provided by slack are no longer image files, ie you use dd to creat them. They require some serious machinations to work. I have a friend who is having a serious time with this issue stayler On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:57:37 -0600, Collins wrote: A second reply. I don't have a clue what you're driving at. The basic installer for Slack hasn't changed much in a coon's age. It's been about 5 years since I put up Slackware, and it looks just the same now as it always did. A few more features like dhcp and the network script, but that's about it. Slack is Slack. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
I pay homage to Trimuph the Wonder Dog. the one true supreme being On Monday 24 June 2002 11:34 am, Michael Hipp wrote: On Monday 24 June 2002 10:50 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: The Scientific-Method is an important guideline, but through logical analysis is reduced to a good method to approach learning, not the answers to all questions. To think otherwise would be ludicrous since it one would have to then assume that all that can be known is observable in a measureable fashion. The very existence of a Living God, who chose NOT to be manipulated would disruptall attempts at measurement for may things. This is why there are still Wonders Of The World. While we attempt to sweep any religeous possibilities under the carpet, we end up doing a great deal of damage to the world, both for those who do not believe in a supreme being as well as those who do. Well said. In fact, that's a pretty good synopsis of the Sunday School lesson I taught to the adult class 4 weeks entitled: False Gods of the 21st Century - Science. The nrxt week was: False Gods of the 21st Century - Democracy. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OT TID Re: Noteworthy News Item
I like the 9:30 am service better, easier to stay awake. Saved?? - probably not... -jhb- From: Ronnie Gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] you mean you dont attend 8am mass each morning?!? how ever do you expect to be saved? On Monday 24 June 2002 09:42 pm, Mike Chambers wrote: Enough of the religious shit already, if I wanted to hear bout that stuff, I'd go to church. Mike ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Slackware 8.1
On June 24, 2002 10:56 pm, stayler wrote: Apparently, The bootdisks and rootdisks provided by slack are no longer image files, ie you use dd to creat them. They require some serious machinations to work. I have a friend who is having a serious time with this issue huh? dd if=bare.i of=/dev/fd0 does the boot floppy and dd if=install.1 of=/dev/fd0 (repeated for each of five disks) does the 5 'root' disks. Yes, it's slow, but it 'just works'. Don't fret about the bs= or count= flags for dd, just use GOOD floppies and the above incantations. It Worked For Me (tm) stayler On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:57:37 -0600, Collins wrote: A second reply. I don't have a clue what you're driving at. The basic installer for Slack hasn't changed much in a coon's age. It's been about 5 years since I put up Slackware, and it looks just the same now as it always did. A few more features like dhcp and the network script, but that's about it. Slack is Slack. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta linux-sxs.org Mirror: http://dgtech-solutions.com/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
