Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: [snip] Here in the Sovereign State of North Carolingia the Booze Bureaucrats decide what can be sold to us groundlings. This is fittingly analogous to the method by which M$ and SCO contrive with the politicians and judiciary to limit our OS choices. (Note the crafty way I keep this post from going TID.) Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I may not buy this delectable brew here. SCOL! -- Leon A. Goldstein So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... I was going to stop by Red Hat headquarters on my way home from OBX but I didn't know where it was in relation. (My attempt to not drift TID). --Tom Wilson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: I have all the time needed but not the expertise anymore. The only thing that I can contribute is time and labour, there would have to be a dedicated list for this too, easy nuff I guess. dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org printk(MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke!\n); -- 2.4.3 linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_MASQUERADE.c -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KRsP2MO5UukaubkRApqxAKCUsS8qzRQ1Mdsrz75/LUSGPpvQJgCdE4ZT PRWskJX15B8WUGFwRjUTM9A= =oPwY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Doug, mate! Do you not remember one angry old fart a couple of years ago that was not going to let go of Caldera. He tried updating for a while till he became a real nuciance on a certain list. It became too involved and masochistic even though I do have leanings that way. Not only that my memory retention spans 90 seconds. I remember. I also remember personally maintaining my eD 2.4 and submitting the notes to you, Kurt, Marcus and others.. Learned a hell of a lot trying to figure out how Caldera had to do things 'their' way for this package, and 'that' way for this other package... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you being competent. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KRt12MO5UukaubkRAiZ9AKCbDXG5ayWAJjvXyMKbF3vOHU1zkwCdEvPr rUHXQbzc6NXWoZ/AFRslnac= =Vi/F -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I get a lot from router
Good. Glad to hear it. :) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:02:48 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 04:25 am, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Hope it's all working for you. I've been offline for a week so I might have missed it, but what's the status of this? Are you able to use both machines at the same time? Matt Yes Matt, its working fine as soon as I put the router in. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
I am also not afraid of RBL's since I AM in control of my email servers. The only thing that scares me about RBL's is people using them without understanding what's important. It's kinda like choosing an Email server. Those who are clueless choose Exchange and plug it into the Internet... and pay the consequences. I'm not saying that Exchange is only run by idiots. You can protect Exchange by front-ending it with Sendmail or Postfix (or Qmail or others, I know). The thing that bugs me about Spam-Tagging is that I STILL HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH THE FREAKING SPAM! RBL's may block legitimate email, but at least the sender is NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE! The problem with tagging and dumping is that either you still dump the mail to /dev/null, or you filter it into a SPAM folder and STILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT! The sending party has no idea of a problem and will continue as if all is well until you miss some deadline and you're screwed. What will you say then? My Bayesian filter screwed up? On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:37:15 -0600 collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably no complaints because you aren't really affected by the action of the RBLs. If everyone used them, I would see a 95% reduction of my personal email (not spam) and never be able to send email. If you have the wherewithal to run your own email server, you can take this cavalier attitude; some of us don't have that luxury. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:36:04 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realize that I'm not alone in blocking domains and that it is mainly an act of total frustration and completely unfair to the unculpable user. OTOH, as I stated before, one domain...big deal...one hundred...BIG DEAL. blocked by one domain and you will beleive your ISP when they say something wrong on the other end. But if 50% of everything they send gets refused...then, well, the ISP cannot say it is an outside problem any longer. That is a huge incentive not to host spammers or to tolerate misuse of their system. And a good reason to use RBL's. RBL's are at least more accurate than blocking netblocks. You also don't pay for the bandwidth to receive 10 copies of the same SPAM (reading the annals of a former spammer, they send multiple copies on purpose because inundation works for them). -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:07:19 -0400 Wil McGilvery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blocking domains doesn't really work. One of my customer's employees couldn't send mail to his house because his personal ISP was using RBL's and the work mail server ip was in an address block that had been listed. The employees personal ISP refused to let the mail through. (Get your IP off the list) and the business ISP couldn't or wouldn't get the address block off the list. Sorry Wil, but it appears that there is a misconception here. RBL's are Server (IP ADDRESS) specific. At least the ones worth using are. Dialup RBLs are different, but are a choice whether to use them or not. Blocking whole address ranges and blocking based on domain name have nothing to do with RBL's if you select appropriate RBLs. Again, the onus is on the administrator using the RBL's to use them responsibly... kinda like Beer. How many of you are willing to give up your Beer because some idiots like to kill themselves or other people when abusing it? Our solution was to switch to a new ISP. (Someone else probably got the bad address). Not a bad solution, so long as you exerted pressure on the ISP first and let them know why you were leaving. One key concept here is RESPONSIBLE INTERNET CITIZENSHIP. Consequences without explanation are like going home and spanking your child without explaining what behavior caused you to punish them. Blocking legitimate email can be worse for your business than the spam. Again, your company gets to choose which RBL's to use. Don't use Spews! (see other post) We can't afford to have customers orders blocked and even though I do use RBL's, I spent a fair bit of time monitoring the system at the beginning to make sure we didn't miss anything and now all of our customers/vendors etc get whitelisted. One idea that I like but has not gained much acceptance is the programs like TMDA where someone has to be on your whitelist before mail is accepted. A solution like this would only work if it was widely accepted and some easy yet secure method of getting added to the list was possible. (Maybe something similar to the way people sign up for user groups). This solution doesn't scale. What about new customers. WhiteLists are worse than blacklists! Perhaps a SOHO can get away with them, but again, you are allowing email only from a select few, and you have to maintain the list! At least with RBL's there is cooperation over the Internet over which systems are naughty and need to be blocked. And you have a direct effect over that, whether you are the BL'ed system or the one getting SPAM. Power to the Intelligent and Knowledgible people! Encourage people to understand the world we live in, not just change the world for the dumbest common denominator! Microsoft has been trying that for years and look where it got them... and us. They keep making billions but the end users get crappy software and stability/security problems -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Good point... but I'd need more specific real-world details in order to respond since I've not found too many instances where RBL's have blocked an ISP's email servers. Those that I am aware of, the situation has been resolved quickly by the ISP and generally a Spammer gets ousted. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Correction... Users DO care WHY they were blocked, but they aren't going to let you know that since they are using you as a vent-sink. Those who are clueless are also calling their IT guy (yes, even SMB's have those, contract or on-staff) You're assunming that only users in a business environment are effected. In reality, its mostly home users who are getting punished by this stuff, and they don' care why they are blocked, and don't have an 'IT guy' to run to to complain. They're stuck in the middle of a war that they have no role in. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
IPv6 and v4
Anyone an expert of v6? I've been digging a bit, but am still very low on the know-how scale. Of particular interest at the moment: * IPv6 networks talking to IPv4 networks * above, reversed * DHCP and IPv6, and selecting ranges for internal site addresses * NAT and IP Mobility.. * Obviously, how Linux does all this :) TIA! -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Matthew Carpenter wrote: Correction... Users DO care WHY they were blocked, but they aren't going to let you know that since they are using you as a vent-sink. Those who are clueless are also calling their IT guy (yes, even SMB's have those, contract or on-staff) You're assunming that only users in a business environment are effected. In reality, its mostly home users who are getting punished by this stuff, and they don' care why they are blocked, and don't have an 'IT guy' to run to to complain. They're stuck in the middle of a war that they have no role in. Amen. Most of the discussion thus far has been from the extremely communications/email/internet savvy contingent who are in a position to control their environment and (unfortunately a byproduct) to wreak havoc on unsuspecting (and frequently clueless) home users without (it seems) having any effect on the actual spammers. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
Tim Wunder wrote: On 7/31/2003 8:48 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > [snip] >>Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the >>North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I >>may not buy this delectable brew here. SCOL! >>-- >>Leon A. Goldstein > Not being able to buy the beer you want is reason enough to move, AFAIC. There are plenty of other reasons. Gotta unload a house in a buyer's market for one. > > So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze > Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for > a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we Ick! $20 for Miller Lite! You *were* stroked... Tourist trap prices. You could have gotten two cases of Saranac Pale Ale for that. > drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel > Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... > > I was going to stop by Red Hat headquarters on my way home from OBX but > I didn't know where it was in relation. (My attempt to not drift TID). > Perhaps we should have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list... I think we already have one :-) -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: spam issues
Oops. Bad sentence. I realize blocking domains is different than rbl's and ip addresses. I should have split the two ideas up. I use RBl's, but I don't agree with blocking out IP address blocks or domains for the reasons already stated. The customer switched ISP's because the problem with the blocked IP address could not be resolved. I will reiterate that it wasn't just the single address that was blocked, but an entire block of addresses. I do; however, feel that whitelists could be used. We all sign up for user groups and have to verify our intention with a reply email. I am sure a lot of us have filled out forms on the web site to receive information or to download a file. I understand that getting on the whitelist needs to be fairly painless or it just won't work. I kind of imagine it to work something like this. You send me an email for the first time, and receive an email asking you to reply so that you can be added to the list. You reply and the original email gets delivered. We have one ISP in Toronto advertising a program that does just this. It is http://ipermitmail.com I am watching with interest to see how it goes. I know that I am probably in the minority, but it's my 2 cents. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:07:19 -0400 Wil McGilvery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blocking domains doesn't really work. One of my customer's employees couldn't send mail to his house because his personal ISP was using RBL's and the work mail server ip was in an address block that had been listed. The employees personal ISP refused to let the mail through. (Get your IP off the list) and the business ISP couldn't or wouldn't get the address block off the list. Sorry Wil, but it appears that there is a misconception here. RBL's are Server (IP ADDRESS) specific. At least the ones worth using are. Dialup RBLs are different, but are a choice whether to use them or not. Blocking whole address ranges and blocking based on domain name have nothing to do with RBL's if you select appropriate RBLs. Again, the onus is on the administrator using the RBL's to use them responsibly... kinda like Beer. How many of you are willing to give up your Beer because some idiots like to kill themselves or other people when abusing it? Our solution was to switch to a new ISP. (Someone else probably got the bad address). Not a bad solution, so long as you exerted pressure on the ISP first and let them know why you were leaving. One key concept here is RESPONSIBLE INTERNET CITIZENSHIP. Consequences without explanation are like going home and spanking your child without explaining what behavior caused you to punish them. Blocking legitimate email can be worse for your business than the spam. Again, your company gets to choose which RBL's to use. Don't use Spews! (see other post) We can't afford to have customers orders blocked and even though I do use RBL's, I spent a fair bit of time monitoring the system at the beginning to make sure we didn't miss anything and now all of our customers/vendors etc get whitelisted. One idea that I like but has not gained much acceptance is the programs like TMDA where someone has to be on your whitelist before mail is accepted. A solution like this would only work if it was widely accepted and some easy yet secure method of getting added to the list was possible. (Maybe something similar to the way people sign up for user groups). This solution doesn't scale. What about new customers. WhiteLists are worse than blacklists! Perhaps a SOHO can get away with them, but again, you are allowing email only from a select few, and you have to maintain the list! At least with RBL's there is cooperation over the Internet over which systems are naughty and need to be blocked. And you have a direct effect over that, whether you are the BL'ed system or the one getting SPAM. Power to the Intelligent and Knowledgible people! Encourage people to understand the world we live in, not just change the world for the dumbest common denominator! Microsoft has been trying that for years and look where it got them... and us. They keep making billions but the end users get crappy software and stability/security problems -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL
Who's going to LinuxWorld next week?
I'm planning to attend on Tuesday. Anyone else going to be there that day? Perhaps we could meet up for lunch? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug bait. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It is necessary for the welfare of society that genius should be privileged to utter sedition, to blaspheme, to outrage good taste, to corrupt the youthful mind, and generally to scandalize one's uncles. -- George Bernard Shaw ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:04:05AM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... You're assunming that only users in a business environment are effected. In reality, its mostly home users who are getting punished by this stuff, and they don' care why they are blocked, and don't have an 'IT guy' to run to to complain. They're stuck in the middle of a war that they have no role in. Amen. Most of the discussion thus far has been from the extremely communications/email/internet savvy contingent who are in a position to control their environment and (unfortunately a byproduct) to wreak havoc on unsuspecting (and frequently clueless) home users without (it seems) having any effect on the actual spammers. The home users may be unsuspecting and clueless, but the fact is that their machines are frequently being used by clueful spammers who take advantage of the home user's Microsoft system. It's a bit like putting a machine gun up where anybody can come in and use it anonymously without fear of the consequences (and I'm not trying to get a gun control thread started :-). The broadband providers could mitigate this problem by blocking incoming traffic to their customer's systems on ports 25, 80, and commonly used proxy ports. When @HOME was running the ATT cable network, they were doing this (probably in response to ``Code Red'' and ``Nimda''). When ATTBI took over they dropped these filters, and COMCAST hasn't put them back. I see dozens of relay attempts from attbi/comcast every day, and add the hosts individually to our local RBL. Road Runner has very effective anti-spam policies in place, and you rarely see major abuse from their network. COMCAST is the most noticeable source of network abuse, and they appear to ignore complaints and illegal activity on their network. History has proven that wholesale blocking is the only thing that seems to motivate the major providers (e.g. AGIS, uu.net, Sprint, etc.) to clean up their networks when their legitimate customers complain or start leaving in droves. For those who don't remember AGIS was the home of Cyberpromo and Spamford Wallace, and went out of business as a result. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Never do your enemy a minor injury.'' - Machiavelli ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:01:54 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The broadband providers could mitigate this problem by blocking incoming traffic to their customer's systems on ports 25, 80, and commonly used proxy ports. When @HOME was running the ATT cable network, they were doing this (probably in response to ``Code Red'' and ``Nimda''). When ATTBI took over they dropped these filters, and COMCAST hasn't put them back. I see dozens of relay attempts from attbi/comcast every day, and add the hosts individually to our local RBL. I've passed on your comments (the snippet above) to comcast.net. We'll see whether anything comes of that. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:37:30 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug bait. Ayup. Coors, however, does make Killians which is a rather decent offering. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:37, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug bait. Agreed. I prefer fine English Ales myself. But I was on vacation with the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers. --Tom ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OTRe: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On 7/31/2003 1:36 PM, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:37:30 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug bait. Ayup. Coors, however, does make Killians which is a rather decent offering. The *only* good beer from Colorado comes from the Flying Dog brewery: http://www.flyingdogales.com My favorite: http://www.flyingdogales.com/02_litter_brews/litter_doggiestyle.html ...I'm getting thirsty... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What was it about eD 2.4?
Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? -- Tina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:35:53PM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:37, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote: ... So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M... I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug bait. Agreed. I prefer fine English Ales myself. But I was on vacation with the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers. I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Democracy must be sometihng more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner -- James Bovard ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Quoth Collins Richey: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:01:54 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The broadband providers could mitigate this problem by blocking incoming traffic to their customer's systems on ports 25, 80, and commonly used proxy ports. When @HOME was running the ATT cable network, they were doing this (probably in response to ``Code Red'' and ``Nimda''). When ATTBI took over they dropped these filters, and COMCAST hasn't put them back. I see dozens of relay attempts from attbi/comcast every day, and add the hosts individually to our local I've passed on your comments (the snippet above) to comcast.net. We'll see whether anything comes of that. It won't. Kurt -- Boy, n.: A noise with dirt on it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:03, Tim Wunder wrote: Perhaps we should have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list... I'm game. Then we could discuss things like the little known but quite fun Stockholm beer festival. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:35, Tom Wilson wrote: Agreed. I prefer fine English Ales myself. But I was on vacation with the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers. Oddly, bitters are considered the cheaper of British offerings, yet they are more to my taste. Still, my all time favorite British ale is the Kentish Bishop's Finger. Too bad the pub across the street has it on tap. This way my wife can look out the window and see if I am there. At least in summer when one must be outside. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... Blech. Pardon me while I hurl. Kurt -- After I run your program, let's make love like crazed weasels, OK? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
quoth Roger Oberholtzer: | Oddly, bitters are considered the cheaper of British offerings, yet | they are more to my taste. Still, my all time favorite British ale is | the Kentish Bishop's Finger. Too bad the pub across the street has it | on tap. This way my wife can look out the window and see if I am | there. At least in summer when one must be outside. the yorkshire ales, especially the tadcaster ones, are in my estimation as good as it gets or can get. the reason i am not a drunk is that they are difficult to get here. -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... Blech. Pardon me while I hurl. That would taste better than Miller Lite :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Avoid revolution or expect to get shot. Mother and I will grieve, but we will gladly buy a dinner for the National Guardsman who shot you. -- Dr. Paul Williamson, father of a Kent State student ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:23, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Roger Oberholtzer: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... Blech. Pardon me while I hurl. That would taste better than Miller Lite :-). I confess that when I was a grad student in New Mexico, I worked as a bartender at a CW bar (Triple R Bar Dance Hall and Saloon). It was not uncommon for me to cart home a 6-pack of miller (genuine, like anyone would copy it...). I have since learned the error of my ways.. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Campbell shocked and awed us all by speaking: Road Runner has very effective anti-spam policies in place, and you rarely see major abuse from their network. COMCAST is the most noticeable source spews pepsi on screen You gotta be kidding! I'm on RR (so is the mothership) and we are constantly turning away relay attempts. And if they do such a wonderfull job, why are there literally dozens of networks that refuse mail from me/linux-sxs based on our IP? Several of them even say 'mail not accepted from Road Runner that is not MX host' or something like that.. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWZD2MO5UukaubkRAosCAJ9fyy6CHE3139oPDl64kjZadIaj7wCeNopT Qt/71etJOhlcUASl9VLR6wI= =0Zgg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shawn L Johnston shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org I have plenty of talent and vision, I just don't give a damn. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWay2MO5UukaubkRAoc1AJ9bu++piEprRLGjfm9i1A3OX3ffoQCdFi4C lp9LRvHz7FVWG3P/IqE30NE= =OBMr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection these days. *very* nice 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. agreed - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWeF2MO5UukaubkRAsPxAKCc93BPM/edLRh5pOXnpcBVrRVCwwCfT6iB unx2FV0RDXnaB+7qJtRww4c= =n0n9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas J Hunley shocked and awed us all by speaking: whilst I agree, that's not very specific is it? In fact, it's rather objectively non-specific. got any details Shawn? damn! s/objectively/subjectively/ - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Always try to do things in chronological order; it's less confusing that way. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWei2MO5UukaubkRAt6wAJwPHBeZp7EfXUixVIzSKXeZpZXLwACfWP7k lEJAjya1UhYxvBO4GI7fB7A= =wOSS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? It seemed to me that they picked a set of categories and installed the most straightforward app per category by default. Others might ship on the CD, but there was no '20 text editors' syndrome. Also (in blinding contrast to RH) the menus made sense. 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? Either installation from source or binary was pretty easy, of course back then they and RH were on roughly the same library sets, so the major binary incompatibilites were few. Now if only they had added an 'of course I want the devel packages' option it would have been perfect. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
At 01:49 PM 7/31/03 -0400, you wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD snip From my perspective eD was great simply because it worked. It worked each time I installed it, it continued to work, and it, in fact, still works on at least one machine. The installer worked, the combination of executables and libraries and such worked on any piece of hardware I threw at it ... in short, it all worked, all the time. I'm currently using RH9 for production stuff, but have used TurboLinux and SuSE. eD was never bleeding edge and perhaps that is part of the it worked, but I'd rather have it worked any day than it works, but I need to fiddle, or deal with this or that, or muck about with a dependency issue, etc. on a fairly regular basis as I do with RH9. YMMV - Rich Thompson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tina M Berendt wrote: | Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old | Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify | what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? | The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it | hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness | has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on | OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my | 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' | SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do | when talking about eD | | It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current | base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was | about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading | it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right | around the corner). | | So, what *specifically* made eD so great? | I think that at least 50% of it was attributable to the caldera-users mailing list. There were quite a few people there who helped make it what it was, and luckily enough, they made the transition to this list. We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. The other 50% was the fact that it was painless as far as supported hardware close to the cutting edge for the time, there were few incompatibility issues with the software, and it began appearing on retail shelves where anyone could pick it up and try it. It didn't cost $129, it started at a reasonable price ($39 was the highest I ever saw) and their support was pretty good. They participated (some employees) in the community and their support group which earned them some points too. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 2:15pm up 110 days, 22:57, 16 users, load average: 1.38, 1.39, 1.40 - - Someone whom you reject today, will reject you tomorrow. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/KXxuejAu2RVHwF4RAsc8AJ4u/4asOd202XtlFcYBuMEZrCM4dQCfXyLK 5Bomjcm7BckeD+rNziG2iKQ= =VJDn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Oh! so you have retired too grin. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:36 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine shocked and awed us all by speaking: Doug, mate! Do you not remember one angry old fart a couple of years ago that was not going to let go of Caldera. He tried updating for a while till he became a real nuciance on a certain list. It became too involved and masochistic even though I do have leanings that way. Not only that my memory retention spans 90 seconds. I remember. I also remember personally maintaining my eD 2.4 and submitting the notes to you, Kurt, Marcus and others.. Learned a hell of a lot trying to figure out how Caldera had to do things 'their' way for this package, and 'that' way for this other package... Umm, yes there were quite a few of us involved at the time. That is the frustrating tart for me in that in a short time my memory has got so faulty. If I do not do thing repetitiously or within a short space of time the knowledge is lost. I also do not have a copy of Caldera anymore. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
So instead of getting inundated with SPAM, now we are inundated with requests to SPAM us... Sorry, I'm not buying. Again, it doesn't scale. My inbox does not need the DDOS that this would cause. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:22:04 -0400 Wil McGilvery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do; however, feel that whitelists could be used. We all sign up for user groups and have to verify our intention with a reply email. I am sure a lot of us have filled out forms on the web site to receive information or to download a file. I understand that getting on the whitelist needs to be fairly painless or it just won't work. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Who's going to LinuxWorld next week?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:33 am, Net Llama! wrote: I'm planning to attend on Tuesday. Anyone else going to be there that day? Perhaps we could meet up for lunch? As walking on water is one of my specialities, these days, and I need the excersize, I'll see if I can make it on time. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - It was solid. It worked. It was stable. Gave the impression that some real QA had gone into it. - Webmin and Caldera's extensions to the KDE control center were great. - They focused on 1 GUI and made that one work really well. - Their manual was quite good (for a newbie anyway). - It was not a kitchen sink distro (sensible choices for all apps, not just a shrink wrapped CD dump of FreshMeat/Sourceforge) - Lizard. Still the best installer. Red Hat's Anaconda is only now beginning to approach it (some 3+ years later). - It was reasonably priced. - People like Marcus Meissner (sp?) that participated on the list, and even released packages for users to try. - In that same vein, the release was not frozen in time. Updated packages were released by the company. KDE 2 is the one I remember best. Things that were terrible about eD: - The installer would sometimes just barf and refuse to install without the slightest hint of why. They never did fix that one. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
RR is one of the worst networks I've ever had the habit of sending abuse reports to... not that they ever noticed. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:56:03 -0400 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Campbell shocked and awed us all by speaking: Road Runner has very effective anti-spam policies in place, and you rarely see major abuse from their network. COMCAST is the most noticeable source spews pepsi on screen You gotta be kidding! I'm on RR (so is the mothership) and we are constantly turning away relay attempts. And if they do such a wonderfull job, why are there literally dozens of networks that refuse mail from me/linux-sxs based on our IP? Several of them even say 'mail not accepted from Road Runner that is not MX host' or something like that.. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis.-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/KWZD2MO5UukaubkRAosCAJ9fyy6CHE3139oPDl64kjZadIaj7wCeNopT Qt/71etJOhlcUASl9VLR6wI= =0Zgg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
* Things generally worked. * Install was beautiful and intelligent (found my network settings and installed while I finished supplying config info) * Packages were used AS IS. Any config or comealong tools worked with the original config files (which allowed you to manually edit the conf files and still have the GUI tools work as well :) * Menuing system wasn't dorked around with. * Simple design allowed a full install to come from one CD and give you a great base system which you could then install apps on. * Integration with KDE (KControl integration) * Stable and solid as a rock. * Good package selection didn't give too many options for the same thing, but generally the best one. * Caldera developed the little fine-toothed-comb items like the GUI config which let you configure how KDE treated a CD when it was first inserted. Little pieces that just made the whole thing seem cohesive. Even SuSE, my latest love, can't pull that one off. They still take the Hitler approach: Usen meinen konfigurator toolen und leik it. Things I would have liked to see: * Repository for packages specifically designed for, but not included with, the distro. I like RPM's. I like the cleanliness included. * Installer which did not inform me that it could not install on my system (which it should have) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:49:11 -0400 Tina M Berendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? -- Tina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We may bicker, roll our eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a list worth listening to. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:37 am, Bill Campbell wrote: I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc. for any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout is available. The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use Miller Lite for is slug bait. Bill Bill, you seem to have a penchant for causeing me strife. However actually we are currently using it to try and drown the the bloody 'fire' ants that got imported by ship into queensland from the US. They have had some initial sucess but last night they were found in properties west of Brisbane. If they manage to migrate 'out west' we will have another environmental disaster on our hands. Its too sparsely populated and big to manage. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:08 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... I think we becime innured to our 'local' brew with time and anything 'new' takes for a while. As I am nowadays on the wagon I still remember with fondness my days on the continent and TUBORG. Well I remember it in bits and pieces. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: spam issues
Who said you would get any requests? That would defeat the purpose of the whole idea. :) Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] So instead of getting inundated with SPAM, now we are inundated with requests to SPAM us... Sorry, I'm not buying. Again, it doesn't scale. My inbox does not need the DDOS that this would cause. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:22:04 -0400 Wil McGilvery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do; however, feel that whitelists could be used. We all sign up for user groups and have to verify our intention with a reply email. I am sure a lot of us have filled out forms on the web site to receive information or to download a file. I understand that getting on the whitelist needs to be fairly painless or it just won't work. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? Well, I cut my teeth on eD2.4. I found the install very good for a newbie. It's hardware detection was very good. After install, the admin tools(COAS) were the best. Also, the way it used /etc was very straightforward. If you wanted to change something you went to /etc/somewhere/configfile and changed it. The file was usually commented quite well and COAS reflected the changes and didn't change it back to some default. COAS was both ncurses and X Windows based. You could also use webmin and do the same thing that COAS did and they both agreed and worked together quite well. The menus were very easy to understand. One thing I liked was that it shipped with KDE 1.1.2 and when KDE 2.x came out, Caldera provided rpms that worked. Also, you could compile just about any tarball on it and it worked. They used /opt which made sense to me(personal preference). It was very upgradable and customizable. Once W3.1 was released, over a year and a half after eD2.4, most people had upgraded eD2.4 to where W3.1 was or past and saw no need to install W3.1 and start over. I'm not sure if you could take Lycoris and rework the menu, update/include some packages and include COAS(proprietary code?) and it would be what most people would want. I don't know if a LFS(ish) build would be the answer. Here are some things that would be needed: - A Lizard type installer that detected most all hardware(like Knoppix's detection). - You'd have to have good admin tool like COAS. - Straightforward use of /etc for those that liked to edit files by hand. - Changes by hand to config files would be reflected in the admin tool and the admin tool wouldn't overwrite them. - Webmin(for those that didn't like the admin tool or remote configuration) - Menus that made sense(very subjective for each person) - Very good multimedia coverage. It could handle most any multimedia file in or out of the browser. - Includes OpenOffice.org for an office suite - A rpm repository that would be maintained and reflect updated/new software packages as they were released. - The ability to customize and upgrade with tarballs with relative ease as the user deemed needed. - Use of /opt (again my personal preference) - Had at least one and no more than two programs installed for every task needed. Other packages available for user from rpm repository. - It would be stable and up-to-date, but not bleeding edge, to satisfy most users. I'm sure others could add to this list. Those that want to work on such product(I'm not a developer), kudos to them. They should be saving this list and other such e-mails to refer to while developing the distro. I've since moved to mandrake and like it, but again no 'warm fuzzies'. It's admin tools are decent, but it's menus can be confusing. Also, msec can change somethings back that you don't want it to change. One thing that irks me is that they don't have a KDE package maintainer. When KDE has a new release, you have to rely on texstar or somebody else to package KDE for you or you can try to compile it yourself. This can lead to a unusable desktop if you break too many things. Also, mandrake doesn't use /opt (my preference again). Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration for a product well done. I think since I'm not the only one, it's the latter. Jim -- 3:01pm up 16 days, 1:34, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.05, 0.07 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Oh! so you have retired too grin. There's a lot of that going around. As of yesterday I am a layoff statistic. My prior employer has been laying off 30-50 people a quarter for as long as I can remember. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
Keith Antoine wrote: Bill, you seem to have a penchant for causeing me strife. However actually we are currently using it to try and drown the the bloody 'fire' ants that got imported by ship into queensland from the US. They have had some initial sucess but last night they were found in properties west of Brisbane. If they manage to migrate 'out west' we will have another environmental disaster on our hands. Its too sparsely populated and big to manage. The fire ants came to use by ship from S. America in the same uninvited way. And don't expect much success. The only thing that seems to even slow them down is cold weather. We also got Africanized killer bees much the same way. If you'd like we could perhaps send a load of them also :-D Ain't globalization wonderful! Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or tarball it went up and worked. The lousy rpm dependency issue I have these days was not around or very minor. In fact one could abuse thesystem and get away with it within reason. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still keep eDesk 2.4 on an old P 233 box. It is a word processing station. I installed WordPerfect Office 2000/linux on it and it runs flawlessly. Performance is quite satisfactory, since KDE 1.1 imposes so little system overhead. My only gripe is that I could never get a Netscape 4.7x upgrade to work on it. My eDesk 2.4 system will be doing my correspondence for me indefinitely. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Thursday 31 July 2003 01:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. --snip-- - It cleanly installed on just about everything I tried. Yes, I had a few bad installs, but nothing like the other distros of the time. - It shipped with a perfect mix of applications - It all worked. PERIOD. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 5:42pm up 21 days, 3:40, 4 users, load average: 1.08, 1.24, 1.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
No offense, but what's with the critique of answers? I didn't realize that this had do be an essay with well thought out replies. On 07/31/03 12:01, Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Net Llama! shocked and awed us all by speaking: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? 0) Nearly everything worked out of the box (hardware, software) nod. much like Knoppix's hardware detection these days. *very* nice 1) The packages included were well chosen. There was a little of everything for everyone, and not too much of anything irrelevant that's subjective Llama (I'm not disagreeing). But how does one define 'well chosen' and 'relevant'? 2) It was very stable, and getting addons running was relatively easy true that. but what distro(s) are unstable these days? and by 'easy' do you mean installing an rpm, or installing from source? 3) Everything was integrated well. It didn't feel like some packages were shoehorned into place, just because. agreed -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:10pm up 16 days, 18:53, 1 user, load average: 0.26, 0.24, 0.11 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Who's going to LinuxWorld next week?
On 07/31/03 14:21, Keith Antoine wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:33 am, Net Llama! wrote: I'm planning to attend on Tuesday. Anyone else going to be there that day? Perhaps we could meet up for lunch? As walking on water is one of my specialities, these days, and I need the excersize, I'll see if I can make it on time. While i have no doubt of your ability to walk on water, the distance might be a bit prohibitive ;) At any rate, for those who can't make it, i plan to take a lot of pictures (including some more MS-bathroom shots, if possible). -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:15pm up 16 days, 18:58, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.15, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:14:33PM -0400, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... From what I remember of lukewarm Watney's and Whitbread, that comes as no surprise. I do recall fondly a Norfolk or Suffolk ale called Adnam's. The Brits drink their beer warm because they have Lucas refrigerators. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.'' -James Madison, Federalist Paper #62 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
Quoth collins: Andrew Mathews wrote: Use a responsible ISP instead? Why should you suffer because they're incompetent? As long as they're the only game in town they don't *have* to bend to meet customer demands. When you start spending your money with someone else, large chunks of material suddenly falls out of their ears and their hearing gets a lot better. That presumes you have a choice. As I stated earlier, there is no high speed access choice here. Even if there were, as soon as I were to You have a choice, dial-up or broadband access. You just don't get to choose between broadband ISP A and broadband ISP B. switch, all the control freaks who have chimed in would decide that there is something wrong with my new isp and block that domain as well. I'm not a control freak, but I certainly do want to control who has access to my inbox and my mail server. *I* pay for both, so I get to control both. If I don't want Spammerz 'R Us to have access to may mail server, I damn well have the option to keep them out. If you guys have your way, the average Joe out there will have no way of obtaining email access. Webnazis 'r us. This thread is officially dead. Kurt -- Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing. -- Roy L. Ash, ex-president Litton Industries ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth James Conner: On Thursday 31 July 2003 05:49 pm, Tina M Berendt wrote: [clip] So, what *specifically* made eD so great? [snip] Sometimes I wonder if the 'warm fuzzies' from eD2.4 are just nostalgia, kinda like that car you had, or that favorite chair, or is it genuine admiration for a product well done. I think since I'm not the only one, it's the latter. A product well done. Kurt -- Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child -- if you parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender. -- W. C. Fields ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
Quoth Keith Antoine: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:08 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... I think we becime innured to our 'local' brew with time and anything 'new' takes for a while. As I am nowadays on the wagon I still remember with fondness my days on the continent and TUBORG. Well I remember it in bits and pieces. I remember in bits and pieces, too, which is one of the reasons I quit drinking -- I couldn't remember who I bit. ;-) Kurt -- Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature. -- Rich Kulawiec ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam issues
On 07/31/03 17:11, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth collins: That presumes you have a choice. As I stated earlier, there is no high speed access choice here. Even if there were, as soon as I were to You have a choice, dial-up or broadband access. You just don't get to choose between broadband ISP A and broadband ISP B. Come on now. That's like saying you have a choice between walking 20 miles to work each day, or driving a car. Its a choice when the options are of a comparable nature. Not when they are night day different. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 5:15pm up 16 days, 19:58, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.05 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Tina M Berendt wrote: snip So, what *specifically* made eD so great? I'm not linux learned. I got POed at M$ and not knowing much stumbled upon Indiot's Guide to Linux and started with 1.3. I migrated to 2.2, 2.3 and finally to eD2.4. Everything worked on my box. When it didn't I called and got a straight answer. Then I became aware of the List. Almost all of what I know came from that list (pretty much the same core bunch that is this list) and this list. All of the releases of Caldera worked out of the box for every thing I needed and EXPECTED. I never had a You have performed an illegal operation and at the time that was about all I was interested in. I've tried Mandrake 8.2 and my CDrom/Burner freezes up the whole system (oops, I had to get the sxs steps to make the burner work on Caldera). I Am using RH7.3 now. I tried 8.0, but get the same problem with the CDROM. Caldera was comfortable, easy to use, easy to make something work and seemed to like me. Maybe that's what is important? Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
What was it about eD 2.4?
Speaking for myself, I liked the fact that I could configure everything from the GUI either with an app or the web. The configuration tools left the comments in the config files so that you could edit those manually. If you edited the config files, you could still use the GUI tools to configure other things later WITHOUT losing manual updates. For instance, in caldera I could use webmin or an extension of the kde to configure what services to start or stop and when. I am testing out SuSE and I still can't get samba to startup automagically on reboot. (Something about xinetd that I still need to chase down..., or maybe figure out how to start webmin...) I liked the binaries being compiled from the sources shipped. (Not as big an issue as it used to be.) And the testing that went into the whole package being stable running the apps that shipped with the product. I even liked the comercial apps that shipped with the product. And I still need a novell client. (That disappeared after eD 2.4) FWIW -- Alma What was it about eD 2.4? Tina M Berendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:49:11 -0400 Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
well, why not
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/6429877.htm Government issues second warning on Microsoft security flaw LOS ANGELES - The Department of Homeland Security has issued an unprecedented second warning to Internet users about a security flaw in Microsoft Corp. software that could leave about 75 percent of the country's computers vulnerable to hacker attacks. The latest warning comes two weeks after Microsoft issued a bulletin notifying computer users it had discovered a critical flaw in its most common Windows operating systems, including its newest versions, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. The flaw can let hackers use the Internet to seize control of users' machines to steal files, read e-mails and launch wide-scale computer virus and ``worm'' attacks that could seriously damage the Internet. . . . -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
and, while we're at it . .
while the san jose paper notes it's a microsoft problem, computerworld notes that it's probably more than just a potential inconvenience: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,83619,00.html?nas=PM-83619 Concerns mount over possible big Net attack A flaw that affects almost all versions of the Windows operating system could be exploited By Paul Roberts, IDG News Service JULY 31, 2003 Security experts warn that a recently disclosed security vulnerability in Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating system may soon be used by a powerful Internet worm that could disrupt traffic on the Internet and affect millions of machines worldwide. The vulnerability, a buffer overrun in a Windows interface that handles the remote procedure call (RPC) protocol, was acknowledged by Microsoft in Security Bulletin MS03-026 on July 16. Today, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security updated an earlier warning about the RPC vulnerability, noting increased network scanning and the widespread distribution of working exploits on the Internet. The vulnerability affects almost all versions of Windows and could enable remote attackers to place and run malicious code on affected machines, giving them total control over the systems, Microsoft said. No user interaction would be required for machines to be compromised, prompting security experts to liken the RPC vulnerability to the buffer-overflow vulnerability in Microsoft's Internet Information Server (IIS) that was exploited by the Code Red worm in July 2001. I would compare [the RPC vulnerability] to Code Red. It doesn't require user interaction, and the number of infectable machines is on same order of magnitude, said Johannes Ullrich, chief technology officer at the Bethesda, Md.-based SANS Institute's Internet Storm Center. . . . -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
Quoth Collins Richey: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Oh! so you have retired too grin. There's a lot of that going around. As of yesterday I am a layoff statistic. My prior employer has been laying off 30-50 people a quarter for as long as I can remember. Sorry to hear that, Collins. Their loss. Kurt -- It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. -- Bertrand Russell ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gee. what a surprise.
Quoth dep: i could have sworn i read something like this on linux and main awhile back . . . Ayup. IBM's been reading LM to find out what the party line is this week, I see. :-) http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5057840.html?tag=fd_top An IBM executive has claimed that a set of forces is attempting to derail Linux, and hinted that Microsoft and SCO Group are among those responsible. Kurt -- Maternity pay? Now every Tom, Dick and Harry will get pregnant. -- Malcolm Smith ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Carpenter wrote: | Speak for yourself, jerk-wad :) | | On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:30:39 -0600 | Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | |We may bicker, roll our |eyes, scoff or call each other names, but that dynamic is also what makes a |list worth listening to. | | Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] G - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:04pm up 18 days, 23:28, 9 users, load average: 1.07, 1.14, 1.14 - - Among the lucky, you are the chosen one. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/Kb2SidHQ0m/kEssRAgtQAJ97vNU0mwOBzI/H1L73ckHSwvTIRQCfUHGD D4CIi5kxK3s1mBIcSR0kJcg= =uOhz -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Quoth Tina M Berendt: Given the recent interest in resurrecting and maintaining the old Caldera distro, I thought I'd take a minute to ask everyone to quantify what it was about eD (or eS) that was so great. Was it the file layout? The installer? The GUI tools? What? I used and loved eD, but find it hard to say why I felt it was so nice. I *think* a lot of my fondness has to do simply with familiarity... once I learned the Caldera way on OpenLinux, eD was such a natural progression that I think a lot of my 'it was so great' is simply because I *knew* it.. however, I now 'know' SuSE, but don't have the same warm fuzzy when talking about it as I do when talking about eD I've never had the warm fuzzy for any distro the way I had it for eDesktop 2.3 and, even more, eDesktop 2.4 - 'course, maybe because I helped build 2.4, I'm biased. I liked OpenLinux 1.3, too. Vis-a-vis eDesktop 2.4, though, a lot of time and effort went into to making it, in large part because we (at what was then Caldera) knew we had to offer a compelling alternative to Red Hat, which, even in 1999 and 2000, had already captured considerable mind share. That extra polish showed. These days, the extra effort that went into eDesktop 2.4 isn't necessary because there is no real competitor on the desktop to Red Hat. Red Hat have won the branding wars (in the U.S., anyway), so they no longer are trying quite as hard to produce a polished, seamless, trouble-free product. Why should they, when there's no one left with whom to compete for desktop space and mind share? It seems to me that it would be a *lot* easier to start with a current base system (perhaps LFS based) and then mold it to be whatever it was about eD that everyone liked instead of taking an old eD and upgrading it (remember that eD wasn't even ready for 2.4.x and 2.6.x is right around the corner). So, what *specifically* made eD so great? - The installation worked 95% of the time (the other 5%, though, bag it) - A terrific set of applications - Almost everything worked; almost everything worked together - Solidly engineered -- some might say solidly _over_-engineered - Good tradeoffs between features and stability, with a tendency to prefer stability to features - Reasonably attractive - *Great* mailing list - Pretty decent company behind it - Self-hosted build system - the binaries shipped were built from the sources shipped - No library conflicts Kurt -- Who's on first? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
(fwd) How to bring up kernel 2.6.0-test1 on Redhat 9.0
Here's a HOWTO some of you might find useful. I've not put it up as a Step because it is already hosted elsewhere and the editors have agreed that externally maintained material does not belong on the SxS. Nevertheless, you might find this useful, so I've passed it along. Enjoy, Kurt - Forwarded message from Song Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Song Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 16:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mini-HOWTO]How to bring up kernel 2.6.0-test1 on Redhat 9.0 Mini HOWTO How to build and bring up 2.6.0-test1 on Redhat 9.0 (http://www.ags.uci.edu/~songw/kernel2.6-rh90-howto.txt) (Hardware: Dell Dimension 8200 - Pentium 4 2.53GHZ, 1GB DDR memory, 120G EIDE harddrive, and nVidia Geforce4 video card. PS2 mouse and keyboard connected a IOGEAR Miniview SE KVM switch. There is a Philips DVD+RW drive. Software: new Redhat 9.0 with everything installed.) I run into several problems when I was trying to bring up 2.6.0-test1 kernel on Redhat 9.0. I think they're common and I'd like to put them together and share with other people who are willing to help test and improve 2.6.0-test1 kernel. 1. Problems and Solutions After I downloaded 2.6.0-test1 kernel tarball, I used 'make menuconfig' to create my own configuration file. After adding several configuration items. I successully built the kernel and modules using 'make bzImage;make modules'. (It turns out single 'make' will do the same thing.) Note 'make dep' is not necessary anymore. Then I used 'make modules_install;make install' to install modules and the kernel itself. Problems showed up from this point... (1) A lot of unresolved symbol when installing kernel modules. Solution: Kernel moduler loader has to be updated. Use the new module-init-tools-0.9.12.tar.bz2 from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rusty/modules After updating the tool, 'make modules_install' worked fine. Now it's the time to boot the new kernel! (2) The second problem kicked in. The kernel doesn't boot! It hangs there after printing OK. booting the kernel... Solution: By default, the display is not enabled. (Weird!!!) So use 'make menuconfig' to enable them. Go to 'Character devices', enable 'Virtual Terminal' and 'Support for console on virtual terminal', then go to 'Graphics support', at the bottom, you'll see 'Console display driver support ---', enter into it and enable 'VGA text console'. Because of the dependency, you have to enable 'Virtual Terminal' first in order to see 'Console display driver support ---'. As a result CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y Rebuild the kernel, then boot, aha! The kernel is booting and printing out messages! (3) The third problem arrived then The kernel cannot mount the root file system! My root partition is formated as ext3 and I did enable Ext3 file system support. I checked /etc/lilo.conf, image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-test1 label=2.6.0-test1 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.0-test1.img read-only append=hdc=ide-scsi root=LABEL=/1 Solution: I found that the kernel has not enabled IDE-SCSI emulation. Go to ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support, then IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block devices, enable * Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support * Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support * Include IDE/ATAPI FLOPPY support M SCSI emulation support Rebuild the kernel and reboot, now we're finally up and running and got into the X-Window! (4) However, here is the fourth problem: No keyboard and mouse! Solution: I found under Input device support, by default, Input devices (needed for keyboard, mouse, ...) is shown as module M also AT keyboard support is shown as module M. I changed the two options to be statically linked with the kernel * After rebooting the machine, I still got no keyboard and mouse. Then I consulted the post-halloween document (http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/post-halloween-2.5.txt), and found that since I'm using a KVM switch, I need to add psmouse_noext option to the kernel, so I added it to /etc/lilo.conf as append=hdc=ide-scsi root=LABEL=/1 psmouse_noext After rebooting, I got the mouse showing up, although it moves too fast. However, the keyboard still does not work. So I took out the KVM switch and connected my keyboard and mouse directly to the PC, all right, everything worked fine! This ends my try to bring up 2.6.0-test1 on Redhat 9.0. In summary, it's still not quite streightforward. I suggest (1) In kernel config, it is better to set up the basic stuff like display, keyboard and mouse with the correct settings so that testers can get on track without these unnessary troubles. (2) KVM switch support needs more work. Hope this could help other guys get started more quickly. -Song (http://www.ags.uci.edu/~songw/kernel2.6-rh90-howto.txt)
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:05:05 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:40 am, Shawn L Johnston wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:49, Tina M Berendt wrote: So, what *specifically* made eD so great? It was elegant, from installation to end use. Shawn Yes, that describes it souciently. Plus maintenance was so easy it did not matter, rpm or tarball it went up and worked. The lousy rpm dependency issue I have these days was not around or very minor. In fact one could abuse thesystem and get away with it within reason. AND.., a superlative user mail list; many are now here, but also Les, Mike Andrews and others. Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx doing well in India
collins wrote: Having tried elx (not bad) in the past, I was intrigued to see this review: That's a helluva lot of new linux customers! I tried elx when they were in their first beta run, and it was impressive, but too friendly for my taste, being a tinkerer at heart. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:01:04 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Oh! so you have retired too grin. There's a lot of that going around. As of yesterday I am a layoff statistic. My prior employer has been laying off 30-50 people a quarter for as long as I can remember. Sorry to hear that, Collins. Their loss. If I had just a little more cold hard cash laid away, I would say my gain. I enjoyed my work, but I never realized the almost invisible stress that I was subjected to. I'm sleeping better, wide awake and alert in the daytime. This should last until I start the interview process grin. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx doing well in India
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 18:56:45 -0700 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: collins wrote: Having tried elx (not bad) in the past, I was intrigued to see this review: That's a helluva lot of new linux customers! I tried elx when they were in their first beta run, and it was impressive, but too friendly for my taste, being a tinkerer at heart. Yeah, me too. But I don't have to do quite as much tinkering as I used to since I have the tinkerers on the gentoo development staff backing me up. About 98% of the time, they tinker until it's done, then release it. The 2% is something that just slipped through the cracks. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: elx doing well in India
Collins Richey wrote: Yeah, me too. But I don't have to do quite as much tinkering as I used to since I have the tinkerers on the gentoo development staff backing me up. About 98% of the time, they tinker until it's done, then release it. The 2% is something that just slipped through the cracks. Some day when I have lots of time -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On 07/31/03 19:25, Collins Richey wrote: If I had just a little more cold hard cash laid away, I would say my gain. I enjoyed my work, but I never realized the almost invisible stress that I was subjected to. I'm sleeping better, wide awake and alert in the daytime. This should last until I start the interview process grin. best of luck. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:25pm up 16 days, 22:08, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.14, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
HELP ! - ASSUS A7S266-VM
Please i need some help. I bought an Assus motherboard A7S266-VM and i coldn´t configure his on-board net-card. Someone knows how to configure it ? This board uses the sis 961. My system: Red Hat 9.0 Kernel 2.4 Thanks a lot. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:05 am, Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:13:47 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:35 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: dedicated lists (yes plural), CVS repository, and various other 'needs' can be up and running in minutes. Since I'm currently unemployed, I got nothing else taking up my time... - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Oh! so you have retired too grin. There's a lot of that going around. As of yesterday I am a layoff statistic. My prior employer has been laying off 30-50 people a quarter for as long as I can remember. I was lucky and got retired before this all came in. The problem is that if you are over 25 your ratshit these days. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Lots of people wrote too much to quote. Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming another eDesk 2.4 wake. Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:02 am, Michael Hipp wrote: The fire ants came to use by ship from S. America in the same uninvited way. And don't expect much success. The only thing that seems to even slow them down is cold weather. We have had a real good eradication program: started up as soon as they were spotted but that may have been too late. They are a reportable pest and if you know but do not report you can end up in court. We also got Africanized killer bees much the same way. If you'd like we could perhaps send a load of them also :-D Yes we got them but isolated em and killed them asap, looks as if we are on top of that one. Ain't globalization wonderful! Michael -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IPv6 and v4
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:55:20 -0400 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone an expert of v6? I've been digging a bit, but am still very low on the know-how scale. Of particular interest at the moment: * IPv6 networks talking to IPv4 networks * above, reversed * DHCP and IPv6, and selecting ranges for internal site addresses * NAT and IP Mobility.. * Obviously, how Linux does all this :) TIA! -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Matt Network programming by Richard Stevens. I wrote a shared lib with it v4 cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: bring back eD? (was Re: I am dissatisfied)
Keith Antoine wrote: I was lucky and got retired before this all came in. The problem is that if you are over 25 your ratshit these days. The senior menu in nice at restaurants. ;-) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 17:58, Bill Campbell wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:14:33PM -0400, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote: I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good fallback. If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the unrecycled piss that passes for beer there. I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it. They must run M$ at home... From what I remember of lukewarm Watney's and Whitbread, that comes as no surprise. I do recall fondly a Norfolk or Suffolk ale called Adnam's. The Brits drink their beer warm because they have Lucas refrigerators. That's the reason I tore all the Lucas crap off my 650 Bonnie and installed aftermarket stuff. Lucas == Prince of Darkness -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
Keith Antoine wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:29 am, Leon A. Goldstein wrote: > Lots of people wrote too much to quote. > > Between reminiscing about eDesk 2.4 and favorite brews, this is becoming > another eDesk 2.4 wake. > Not that that is a bad thing. How many other distro's of the past > command such fond loyalty? I still wonder though how much the excellent mailing list contributed to its success. I'd say significantly. If you like statistics, the contribution was 50%. Of course, the engineers and programmers contributed the other 50% What good is a superbly engineered product nobody likes? Like the "anatomically perfect" car seats Daimler Benz used to make. The users were happy and enthusiastic and wanted to wring the maximum performance out of eDesk 2.4. I remember when Erik Ratcliffe and Marcus Meissner were active list members. I would like to think that they participated because of the professional pride they had in their "baby" and enjoyed talking to the people who used, and appreciated, their work. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: HELP ! - ASSUS A7S266-VM
On 07/31/03 19:58, Bruno Vieira wrote: Please i need some help. I bought an Assus motherboard A7S266-VM and i coldn´t configure his on-board net-card. Someone knows how to configure it ? This board uses the sis 961. My system: Red Hat 9.0 Kernel 2.4 Thanks a lot. http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=sis%20961safe=offie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8as_ugroup=*linux*lr=num=50hl=en -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:55pm up 16 days, 23:38, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 0.64, 0.46 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What was it about eD 2.4?
:) Glad to know we can still joke around. I still remember the first time you and I spoke... it was not necessarily pleasant, in fact I believe Kurt had to step in :) Great to still be seeing you, mate! Time does odd things. On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:08:34 -0600 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh! A new entry in my local.cf: score FROM_EISGR_DOT_COM 1000 blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] G -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Development and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
