Re: Commercial CD burning software

2002-01-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:22:05 -0800 (PST)
Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| 
| --- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|  I, too, use cdrecord direct. But my daughter (all of 8) is not quite
|  that far along yet. She wants to made CDs of music. So, I am looking.
|  She likes XMMS, so that type of interface is ok.
| 
| Well there are quite a lot of free cdrecord GUI frontends out there.  I
| prefer gcombust, others like XCDRoast.   Neither needs wine.

XCDroast has a terrible user interface. The names for things are very
misleading. gcombust is, I think, better. Currently, it is the way I
think I will go. Will it survive the 8 year old daughter test?

| I'm fairly certain that Limewire is nothing more than a front end to the
| Gnutella network.  That said, there are other Gnutella clients out there
| (that do not require java).  I use gtk-gnutella, and find it quite
| feature rich  user friendly.  gtk-gnutella shows you the gnutella
| client that the remote file is using, and i've seen Limewire listed
| quite often. So, limewire is definitely not a requirement.

It was just an endorsement for a program I like. I, personally, prefer
it over gtk-gnutella. Anyway, the java required by limewire is already
installed on the system (Col 3.1 here), unless you remove it, of course.
So, there are no additional system requirements to use LimeWire. JMTCW.

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Re: no printing from kmail

2002-01-31 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:15 pm, Ted Ozolins warbled:

 I had SuSe 7.3 on this machine for a few days (FTP install) and had one
 hell of a time getting my printer to work (Canon 4200) and could not set up
 samba printing no how. I then tried Mandrake 8.1 and got both local and
 samba printing set up and working.  I'm not too impressed with Mandrake but
 thats more because of personal taste rather than technical. I better hurry
 up and settle on a distro soon as I have a neet to set up a data base for
 cross refferencing partnumbers. Dang! just too many choices.

Yes, I have gone to Mandrake too, just too many hassles with Suse.

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Re: Mandrake 8.2 Beta Announced!

2002-01-31 Thread David A. Bandel

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:21:16 -0500
begin  Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

 On Monday 28 January 2002 02:17 pm, Tyler Regas warbled:
  Mandrake (via SlashDot) has announced that the beta ISOs for 8.2 are
  now available. I know I'm going to check it out!
 
  Tyler
 
 I cannot get the iso's without joining their dama club, too costly.

 What club (he asks as MandrakeLinux-8.2beta-CD2.iso is on the last
100Mb)?

I've joined no club.

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Re: Mandrake 8.1 and X

2002-01-31 Thread Cidadão Dorense

Thanks Peter!

I'll try the Expert Mode tonight.
BTW, I wasn't presented with a choice of X3 or X4 at
install time, so I hope it is X4...

Regards,
Cid.

 --- Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
 On Wednesday 30 Jan 2002 13:07, Cidadão Dorense
 wrote:
  Hi all.
 
  I'm currently running Mdk 8.1 in a Dell machine
 with a
  ATI (MACH 64) video card and a P990 Monitor. Mdk
 upon
  istallation doesn't present me with an 1152x864
  resolution option; it jumps from 1024x768 to
  1280x1024.
 
 It will probably offer 1152x864 if you click Expert
 Mode and then Show 
 All in Mandrake Control Centre.
 
 
  The 1152 option is the best resolution for me,
 since
  the 1280 one flickers a little bit. I used 1152
 for a
  long time in Caldera OL.
 
  Well, observing the list I got to know the XFree86
  -configure option and tryied that as root, saving
 the
  file to /root/XF86Config. Then, I tryied XFree86
  -xf86configfile /root/XF86Config and it brought up
 X
  in the desired resolution, although no Window
 Manager
  came up, just raw X.
 
 Save your working XF86Config or XF86Config-4 to
 *.save and keep them in 
 /etc/X11.
 
  Then, if I reboot, it doesn't go in runlevel 5
  anymore, the logs telling that /root/XF86Config
  contain errors (??). How did the default boot got
  pointed to /root/XF86Config if I only tested it
 with
  the -xf86configfile option?
 
  Also, the Mandrake generated XF86Config file
 contain
  modelines for the monitor; since X release 4+
 doesn't
  require that, I tryied to remove those lines but
 it
  complains. And in /etc/X11 there are XF86Config
 and
  XF86Config-4 files. Caldera used the -4 file,
 where
  Mdk seems to be using the one without the -4...
 This
  is a lot disturbing.
 
 If you're using XFree3 Mandrake will use
 /etc/X11/XF86Config.
 If you're using XFree4 Mandrake will use
 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
 
  Can anyone help?
 
  Thanks,
  Cid.
 
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Re: no printing from kmail

2002-01-31 Thread John Voigt

On 01/31/2002 09:22 PM, Keith Antoine wrote:

 On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:15 pm, Ted Ozolins warbled:
 
 
I had SuSe 7.3 on this machine for a few days (FTP install) and had one
hell of a time getting my printer to work (Canon 4200) and could not set up
samba printing no how. I then tried Mandrake 8.1 and got both local and
samba printing set up and working.  I'm not too impressed with Mandrake but
thats more because of personal taste rather than technical. I better hurry
up and settle on a distro soon as I have a neet to set up a data base for
cross refferencing partnumbers. Dang! just too many choices.

 
 Yes, I have gone to Mandrake too, just too many hassles with Suse.


Hi all,


Interesting and timely info ;-)

mini-rant
I have been using Caldera since CND1 circa 1995, and have been pretty happy 
with the quality of their distrobution, and their innovation, until the big 
Linux for Business push of a couple of years ago. It seems that they have 
no clear direction, and are continually looking for some elusive goal of 
making the big bucks off business, who appear to be persuaded more by 
restrictive license clauses and high prices, than the actual 
what-you-get-for-your-money product. Kinda sad actually.
/mini-rant

At this point, I am considering switching distros, and am considering both 
SuSE and Mandrake (I still can't bring myself to use RedHat...yet) and 
possibly others. I need to  consider both workstation and server 
application for both home and business use, although there probably isn't 
one distro which is equally adept for all applications, I'm interested to 
hear anyone's opinions on the options.

My main criteria are:

- stability/security

- A distro with some continuity/upgradability/sense of direction. 
Wipe-clean/install-new gets to be a PITA very quickly, particularly with 
multiple installations in different locations, location-specific 
configurations, etc...

- reasonable price without unreasonable license restrictions. I don't 
necessarily mind paying for specific commercial apps, but If I want 
per-seat licensing, I can use Windoze and make management reasonably happy.

- Not bleeding edge, but reasonably current

- other criteria which I haven't thought of yet ;-)

Any comments welcome.

TNX,

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Re: no printing from kmail

2002-01-31 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Thursday 31 January 2002 9:36 am, John Voigt wrote:
 At this point, I am considering switching distros, and am considering both
 SuSE and Mandrake (I still can't bring myself to use RedHat...yet) and
 possibly others. I need to  consider both workstation and server
 application for both home and business use, although there probably isn't
 one distro which is equally adept for all applications, I'm interested to
 hear anyone's opinions on the options.


I switched to SuSE from  eD2.4  and have been very happy.  First with 7.2 and 
now with 7.3.With 7.2, CUPs was the default printer setup but I didn't 
use it, instead I installed the latest LPRng (like I always did with 
Caldera).  I notice that with 7.3 they switched to LPRng as the default so 
that was a no-brainer.

 My main criteria are:

 - stability/security


Have had no problems.  I don't heavily use the on-line (and automatic) update 
facility but it is there and works well.

 - A distro with some continuity/upgradability/sense of direction.
 Wipe-clean/install-new gets to be a PITA very quickly, particularly with
 multiple installations in different locations, location-specific
 configurations, etc...


SuSE seems to put out a new release about every 4 months.  I can't really 
attest to how well it upgrades from one release to the next as I tend to 
always do fresh installs.

 - reasonable price without unreasonable license restrictions. I don't
 necessarily mind paying for specific commercial apps, but If I want
 per-seat licensing, I can use Windoze and make management reasonably happy.


Seems to fit the bill there.

 - Not bleeding edge, but reasonably current


Same

 - other criteria which I haven't thought of yet ;-)


How about almost every piece of software written for Linux?  (although they 
don't include webmin for some reason)

I've been a very happy SuSE user  and now that I notice this is the linux.nf 
list I can say that I feel badly for some users of Caldera who are still 
fighting the I want to install xyz but I can't get:  it to compile/get by 
the dependencies etc etc.   One reason I left Caldera was that I felt it was 
falling too far behind between releases and the split between WS and Server 
was not what I wanted.   An SuSE distribution can be any kind of machine you 
want to make it and the machine I am typing this on is both server and WS.


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Re: Mandrake 8.2 Beta Announced!

2002-01-31 Thread Tyler Regas

David,

Where'd you get the second CD? I was using Linux ISO but every time I tried 
to fetch CD 2 it would come up as CD 1. It took me 11 hours ( LISO being 
the fastest source ) and I didn't want to duplicate it unnecessarily.

Thanks!!

At 05:21 AM 1/31/2002, you wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:21:16 -0500
begin  Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

  On Monday 28 January 2002 02:17 pm, Tyler Regas warbled:
   Mandrake (via SlashDot) has announced that the beta ISOs for 8.2 are
   now available. I know I'm going to check it out!
  
   Tyler
 
  I cannot get the iso's without joining their dama club, too costly.

 What club (he asks as MandrakeLinux-8.2beta-CD2.iso is on the last
100Mb)?

I've joined no club.

Ciao,

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Incrementing Letter variables in bash

2002-01-31 Thread Ian

So far my searching hasn't turned up anything useful.

Is there a quick way to increment a letter variable in a bash script?

I am creating a script to automatically transfer files in a given
directory by creating a dated folder (mkdir $(date -I), copy files into
new folder and create a .log of the files using the output of 'ls'.

The issue here is that in order to stick to an existing convention, more
than one transfer in the same day has a '-a' or '-b' appended to the
directory and .log file names.

I've not been able to come up with a clever way to automatically
increment the letter to be appended, for example if '-a' has already
been taken for a given day.  It's not the checking part that I have
trouble with, it's incrementing a _letter_.

Before I create some ugly monstrosity of a loop to do this, can anyone
offer any hints?  Scripting has never been my strong suit...I can read
scripts quite well, but tend to complexify simple tasks due to lack of
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Re: Mandrake 8.2 Beta Announced!

2002-01-31 Thread David A. Bandel

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:58:33 -0700
begin  Tyler Regas [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

 David,
 
 Where'd you get the second CD? I was using Linux ISO but every time I
 tried to fetch CD 2 it would come up as CD 1. It took me 11 hours ( LISO
 being the fastest source ) and I didn't want to duplicate it
 unnecessarily.
 

Umm.  There's two CDs on every site I've seen.  Even the md5ums file shows
two CDs.

Afraid I don't know what this Linux ISO is you're talking about.  The two
files I've been d/l are called: MandrakeLinux-8.2beta1-CD?.iso

Ciao,

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OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002

2002-01-31 Thread Tony Alfrey

Hi gang.
I don't know if it is correct procedure to post from another list and I 
apologize if this is the case, but I thought this might be of interest 
to the group, especially those of us who experiment with SuSE.
(Please let me know if I screwed up).


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Subject: [SLE] SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:17:38 -0500
From: Nadeem Hasan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SuSE Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi,

I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor.
I came to know later that they cancelled their spot. So with this
and coupled with the fact that they laid off most of the US staff,
does it mean that SuSE is no longer interested in US market? Lenz?

I was also surprised to see Mandrake booth. This year, the floor
was even smaller and attendence lighter.

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RE: no printing from kmail

2002-01-31 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


 On Thursday 31 January 2002 9:36 am, John Voigt wrote:
  At this point, I am considering switching distros, and am 
 considering both
  SuSE and Mandrake (I still can't bring myself to use 
 RedHat...yet) and
  possibly others. I need to  consider both workstation and server
  application for both home and business use, although there 
 probably isn't
  one distro which is equally adept for all applications, I'm 
 interested to
  hear anyone's opinions on the options.
 
 I switched to SuSE from  eD2.4  and have been very happy.  
 First with 7.2 and 
 now with 7.3.

Ditto on this and all of the areas I've not addressed below.

  - stability/security
 
 Have had no problems.  I don't heavily use the on-line (and 
 automatic) update 
 facility but it is there and works well.

I have used it and the only problem has been that I'd let it slide too long
without, so my ISP connection would time out if I tried to update 50+
patches at once.  If I split it into two groups ('security' patches in one
and 'recommended' patches in another) it worked fine.  The option to select
which patches to update made this an easy process.

  - A distro with some continuity/upgradability/sense of direction.
  Wipe-clean/install-new gets to be a PITA very quickly, 
 particularly with
  multiple installations in different locations, location-specific
  configurations, etc...
 
 SuSE seems to put out a new release about every 4 months.  I 
 can't really 
 attest to how well it upgrades from one release to the next 
 as I tend to 
 always do fresh installs.

The 7.2-7.3 upgrade was easier than falling off a log (and *much* less
painful).

  - other criteria which I haven't thought of yet ;-)

I liked it well enough to write a song about SuSE:
SxS - Distros - URL Links ... - SuSE section - A Song for SuSE

More than that, I have an old 56K ISA modem (USR, but the one with*out* the
switches to make it easy to configure).  SuSE is the only distro I've tried
that recognized it and set it up correctly (and with no input from me).
Tried Caldera eD2.4 (liked it but no modem), RedHat (OK, but no modem 
other problems), Slackware (no dice) and a few others.  Only SuSE made that
old modem work.  Without it I have to fall back on my external 28.8 modem!


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Re: no printing from kmail

2002-01-31 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Thursday 31 January 2002 12:15 pm, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
 More than that, I have an old 56K ISA modem (USR, but the one with*out* the
 switches to make it easy to configure).  SuSE is the only distro I've tried
 that recognized it and set it up correctly (and with no input from me).
 Tried Caldera eD2.4 (liked it but no modem), RedHat (OK, but no modem 
 other problems), Slackware (no dice) and a few others.  Only SuSE made that
 old modem work.  Without it I have to fall back on my external 28.8 modem!

Naw...  you'd just spend about 15 minutes setting up pppd and getting 
on-line.  I've never let any distro mess with the modem.

(SuSE 7.3 here)


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Re: WEIRD! XF-4.2.0 fixes itself

2002-01-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Net Llama babbled on about:
 Some of you may remember the rather odd experience that I had with my
 XFree86-4.2.0 upgrade where gdm bombed when switching to runlevel 5.

 Well, i had to reboot my box to test something, and not even thinking
 about it, i just let it go naturally into RL5.  Instead of choking like
 its done about 5 times before, it booted properly into gdm.  I'm
 incredibly stumped,but pleased that it somehow fixed itself.

You didn't catch this entry in the changelog:

No more animal sacrifices needed. XFree86 will now automagically work for all 
system named after or operated by individual known as animals. Certain 
municipalities were beginning to enact measures to curtail the thinning of 
redient wildlife, so this feature was moved from the 
super-experimental-has-no-real-business-being-used branch to the HEAD branch. 
Expect continued development and refinement in CVS.

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Proof that MS has WON! ( was Re: WEIRD! XF-4.2.0 fixes itself)

2002-01-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Net Llama babbled on about:
 Some of you may remember the rather odd experience that I had with my
 XFree86-4.2.0 upgrade where gdm bombed when switching to runlevel 5.

 Well, i had to reboot my box to test something, and not even thinking
 about it, i just let it go naturally into RL5.  Instead of choking like
 its done about 5 times before, it booted properly into gdm.  I'm
 incredibly stumped,but pleased that it somehow fixed itself.

So, just le me get this straight...

A problem unexpected cropped up on your computer, and the solution was to 
reboot!

I thought that only worked for MS products! Next you'll tell me that you 
needed to re-install the software to fix something else!

We're doomed! ;)
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Re: xfree-4.2+ now does a weirdness

2002-01-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley

dep babbled on about:
 no logfiles provide anything out of the ordinary, at least in this
 connection. (i am puzzled by this, though:
 Jan 29 00:14:00 depoffice /USR/SBIN/CRON[2847]: (root) CMD ( rm -f
 /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.daily)
 Jan 29 00:15:13 depoffice su: (to nobody) root on none
 Jan 29 00:15:13 depoffice PAM-unix2[3083]: session started for user
 nobody, service su
 Jan 29 00:20:15 depoffice PAM-unix2[3083]: session finished for user
 nobody, service su
 i was not doing anything at all at that time.)

running SuSE yes? this is normal for the daily cron stuff. weird, but normal.

 ideas?

t sure sounds like cron. perhaps the /tmp cleaning is a little too agressive 
and is deleting a pipe/socket?
maybe xscreensaver needs relinked against xfree86's new libs?
4.2.0 turns dpms on for a lot of cards that 4.1.0 did not. perhaps that is it?
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Re: Mandrake 8.2 Beta Announced!

2002-01-31 Thread Tyler Regas


Umm.  There's two CDs on every site I've seen.  Even the md5ums file shows
two CDs.

Same here, but I either couldn't download from them or reach the site at 
all (the ones listed as mirrors).

Afraid I don't know what this Linux ISO is you're talking about.  The two
files I've been d/l are called: MandrakeLinux-8.2beta1-CD?.iso

Sorry, I should've listed an URL. Linux ISO (http://www.linuxiso.org) is a 
site that simply hosts downloads for a good number of distros. They stay up 
to date and were carrying the 8.2 beta CDs right after I heard of it on 
/.  I use it for all of my distro needs :)

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Re: Incrementing Letter variables in bash

2002-01-31 Thread Joel Hammer

You can convert a number into a letter with:
echo -e \\octal, if you think this might help.
Joel
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:32:47AM -0500, Ian wrote:
 So far my searching hasn't turned up anything useful.
 
 Is there a quick way to increment a letter variable in a bash script?
 
 I am creating a script to automatically transfer files in a given
 directory by creating a dated folder (mkdir $(date -I), copy files into
 new folder and create a .log of the files using the output of 'ls'.
 
 The issue here is that in order to stick to an existing convention, more
 than one transfer in the same day has a '-a' or '-b' appended to the
 directory and .log file names.
 
 I've not been able to come up with a clever way to automatically
 increment the letter to be appended, for example if '-a' has already
 been taken for a given day.  It's not the checking part that I have
 trouble with, it's incrementing a _letter_.
 
 Before I create some ugly monstrosity of a loop to do this, can anyone
 offer any hints?  Scripting has never been my strong suit...I can read
 scripts quite well, but tend to complexify simple tasks due to lack of
 experience.
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New virus?

2002-01-31 Thread David A. Bandel

Anyone seen or heard anything about a new virus?  I just received a mail
from (No From) with No Subject, just an attachment: MGDACGMG.EXE. 
Naturally, it doesn't run (executable bit isn't set ;-) ).

???

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Re: WEIRD! XF-4.2.0 fixes itself

2002-01-31 Thread Net Llama

--- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Net Llama babbled on about:
  Some of you may remember the rather odd experience that I had with
 my
  XFree86-4.2.0 upgrade where gdm bombed when switching to runlevel 5.
 
  Well, i had to reboot my box to test something, and not even
 thinking
  about it, i just let it go naturally into RL5.  Instead of choking
 like
  its done about 5 times before, it booted properly into gdm.  I'm
  incredibly stumped,but pleased that it somehow fixed itself.
 
 You didn't catch this entry in the changelog:
 
 No more animal sacrifices needed. XFree86 will now automagically work
 for all 
 system named after or operated by individual known as animals. Certain
 
 municipalities were beginning to enact measures to curtail the
 thinning of 
 redient wildlife, so this feature was moved from the 
 super-experimental-has-no-real-business-being-used branch to the HEAD
 branch. 
 Expect continued development and refinement in CVS.

Excellent

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Re: Proof that MS has WON! ( was Re: WEIRD! XF-4.2.0 fixes itself)

2002-01-31 Thread Net Llama

--- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Net Llama babbled on about:
  Some of you may remember the rather odd experience that I had with
 my
  XFree86-4.2.0 upgrade where gdm bombed when switching to runlevel 5.
 
  Well, i had to reboot my box to test something, and not even
 thinking
  about it, i just let it go naturally into RL5.  Instead of choking
 like
  its done about 5 times before, it booted properly into gdm.  I'm
  incredibly stumped,but pleased that it somehow fixed itself.
 
 So, just le me get this straight...
 
 A problem unexpected cropped up on your computer, and the solution was
 to 
 reboot!

Not exactly.  I rebooted a few times before this, and it continued to be
broken.


=

Lonni J. Friedman  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Linux Step-by-step help:   http://netllama.ipfox.com

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Attn Sendmail experts

2002-01-31 Thread Tim Wunder

Hi all,
OK. I got sendmail working. I can use sendmail to send mail and I can 
receive mail into my domain for all users. I'm remapping some mail names 
using virtusertable and everything is working just beautifully. I even 
tested my server for an open relay on abuse.net and everything appears 
normal.
I now want to reverse map login names to e-mail names and this is where 
I'm stuck. According to the FAQs at www.sendmail.org:

quote
If you would like to reverse-map local users for out-bound mail, you 
will need to add support for the generics table to your .mc file:

FEATURE(`genericstable', `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable')dnl
GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains')dnl
/quote

My question is: WTF is my .mc file?

I've got a bunch of files with .mc extensions in 
/usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf. Should I edit the generic-linux.mc, 
generic-openlinux.mc file, or the  mail.cs.mc file? Or should I be 
looking somewhere else?

Also, this is telling me to use `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable'. When I 
made my virtusertable.db, I had to use makemap hash because my version 
of makemap didn't support dbm, should I convert this to `hash 
/etc/mail/genericstable'?

BTW I'm running sendmail-8.11-1 on Caldera eWorkstation 3.1.

Thanks,
Tim


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Re: New virus?

2002-01-31 Thread Tom Wilson


-Original Message-
From: David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:17:17 -0500 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: New virus?


 Anyone seen or heard anything about a new virus?  I just received a mail
 from (No From) with No Subject, just an attachment: MGDACGMG.EXE. 
 Naturally, it doesn't run (executable bit isn't set ;-) ).
 

There have been about 9, 6 discovered on Tuesday alone, new ones since Monday.  I 
don't know if that particular attachment is one or not.  The one we have been getting 
the most since Monday is the My party virus.  It comes with an attachment of 
www.myparty.yahoo.com.  

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Re: no printing from kmail

2002-01-31 Thread Collins Richey

[ snips ]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:36:45 -0500
John Voigt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 At this point, I am considering switching distros, and am considering
 both SuSE and Mandrake (I still can't bring myself to use RedHat...yet)
 and possibly others. I need to  consider both workstation and server 
 application for both home and business use, although there probably
 isn't one distro which is equally adept for all applications, I'm
 interested to hear anyone's opinions on the options.

long term, gentoo is the answer

 
 My main criteria are:
 
 - stability/security

getting there; will be more so when 1.0 is released.


 
 - A distro with some continuity/upgradability/sense of direction. 
 Wipe-clean/install-new gets to be a PITA very quickly, particularly with
 multiple installations in different locations, location-specific 
 configurations, etc...

yes

 
 - reasonable price without unreasonable license restrictions. I don't 
 necessarily mind paying for specific commercial apps, but If I want 
 per-seat licensing, I can use Windoze and make management reasonably
 happy.

The price is right - a total of zip per seat.

 
 - Not bleeding edge, but reasonably current
 

Always.  You can stay either way and  change that at any time

 - other criteria which I haven't thought of yet ;-)
 

I used gentoo for a year or more - quite stable.  gentoo has ported the
FreeBSD way of installing maintenance (ports) to the linux arena.  The
gentoo portage system makes available all reasonable current versions of
software packages via on-the-fly download from any available repository. 
The only drawback at present is that this is install from source.  As
gentoo matures, they will offer pre-compiled binaries as well.

You can certainly do desktop and server support from the gentoo base.

Or, you can make the plunge and checkout the real thing - see my
signature below grin  FreeBSD offers all of what you are looking for,
but the drawback is that they don't support every imaginable peripheral
yet.

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Re: Mandrake 8.2 Beta Announced!

2002-01-31 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 31 January 2002 07:21 am, David A. Bandel warbled:
 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:21:16 -0500

 begin  Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:
  On Monday 28 January 2002 02:17 pm, Tyler Regas warbled:
   Mandrake (via SlashDot) has announced that the beta ISOs for 8.2 are
   now available. I know I'm going to check it out!
  
   Tyler
 
  I cannot get the iso's without joining their dama club, too costly.

  What club (he asks as MandrakeLinux-8.2beta-CD2.iso is on the last
 100Mb)?

 I've joined no club.

This page David.
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftp.php3
otherwise what URL do I go to, but preferably an ftp site.

You mentioned 'sites', so whereelse can I get the iso's without joining their 
'club'...

I think the other iso tlked about was in this ref in the Email I received:

MandrakeClub

A decision has been made to add the Mandrake 8.2 commercial software 
to the MandrakeClub download section *during* the current beta-testing 
cycle. We'll let you know when the applications are available to 
download.

Not yet a Mandrake Club member? To learn more, please visit:
http://mandrakelinux.com/en/club/

I also see that Calder has released 3.1.1, am also going to try that as well.
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Re: xfree-4.2+ now does a weirdness

2002-01-31 Thread dep

On Thursday 31 January 2002 12:47, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

| t sure sounds like cron. perhaps the /tmp cleaning is a little too
| agressive and is deleting a pipe/socket?
| maybe xscreensaver needs relinked against xfree86's new libs?
| 4.2.0 turns dpms on for a lot of cards that 4.1.0 did not. perhaps
| that is it?

that was my guess -- but then it stopped happening. oddly, my openGL 
stuff also lost the performance gain it previously had.

the only thing i did was upgrade my zlib stuff, which was necessary 
to get kde3 to build.

so now i need to figure out what's going on here, and maybe rebuild 
xfree with the new zlib stuff. yuck.
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And a pall upon the land;  
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Bare the iron hand;
Beware the  
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(NEVERMIND!) Re: Attn Sendmail experts

2002-01-31 Thread Tim Wunder

I figgered it out, sorry to have bothered you.

Tim

Tim Wunder wrote:
 Hi all,
 OK. I got sendmail working. I can use sendmail to send mail and I can 
 receive mail into my domain for all users. I'm remapping some mail names 
 using virtusertable and everything is working just beautifully. I even 
 tested my server for an open relay on abuse.net and everything appears 
 normal.
 I now want to reverse map login names to e-mail names and this is where 
 I'm stuck. According to the FAQs at www.sendmail.org:
 
 quote
 If you would like to reverse-map local users for out-bound mail, you 
 will need to add support for the generics table to your .mc file:
 
 FEATURE(`genericstable', `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable')dnl
 GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains')dnl
 /quote
 
 My question is: WTF is my .mc file?
 
 I've got a bunch of files with .mc extensions in 
 /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf. Should I edit the generic-linux.mc, 
 generic-openlinux.mc file, or the  mail.cs.mc file? Or should I be 
 looking somewhere else?
 
 Also, this is telling me to use `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable'. When I 
 made my virtusertable.db, I had to use makemap hash because my version 
 of makemap didn't support dbm, should I convert this to `hash 
 /etc/mail/genericstable'?
 
 BTW I'm running sendmail-8.11-1 on Caldera eWorkstation 3.1.
 



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RE: Incrementing Letter variables in bash

2002-01-31 Thread Wall, Kurt

This should give you an idea of how to proceed:

--- cut here ---
#!/bin/sh

# This creates an array consisting of lower case letters, indexed
# from 0
A=(a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z)

# Index through the array
for (( i=0 ; $((i=25)) ; $((i++)) ))
do
echo A[$i] = ${A[$i]} 

done
echo
--- cut here---

$ ./x
A[0] = a
A[1] = b
A[2] = c
...
A[23] = x
A[24] = y
A[25] = z

Hope this helps.

Kurt
-Original Message-
From:   Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thu 1/31/2002 11:32 AM
To: SxS-users
Cc: 
Subject:Incrementing Letter variables in bash
So far my searching hasn't turned up anything useful.

Is there a quick way to increment a letter variable in a bash script?

I am creating a script to automatically transfer files in a given
directory by creating a dated folder (mkdir $(date -I), copy files into
new folder and create a .log of the files using the output of 'ls'.

The issue here is that in order to stick to an existing convention, more
than one transfer in the same day has a '-a' or '-b' appended to the
directory and .log file names.

I've not been able to come up with a clever way to automatically
increment the letter to be appended, for example if '-a' has already
been taken for a given day.  It's not the checking part that I have
trouble with, it's incrementing a _letter_.

Before I create some ugly monstrosity of a loop to do this, can anyone
offer any hints?  Scripting has never been my strong suit...I can read
scripts quite well, but tend to complexify simple tasks due to lack of
experience.
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winmail.dat

Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners

2002-01-31 Thread LESLEY

On Tuesday 29 January 2002 14:10, you wrote:
That's one set of cookies I'll be erasing 


 http://www.interwise.com/live/viewevent.asp?eventid=574

 Cheers,
 Zoran.
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Re: Incrementing Letter variables in bash

2002-01-31 Thread Joel Hammer

Here is a short script which will do what you want. Run it as:
scriptname letter
and see the magic.


#!/bin/bash
upletter () 
{
octal=`echo -n $L | od -A n -o`
new_octal=`echo obase = 8;ibase=8;$octal + 1 | bc`
L=`eval echo -e $new_octal`
}
L=$1
upletter 
echo This is the new letter $L

I have no idea why I had to use the eval statement and all the slashes
in front of $new_octal, but it works. That is the kind of thing I can
imagine breaking between different versions of bash.
Joel

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Thank You Re: Incrementing Letter variables in bash

2002-01-31 Thread Ian

Joel Hammer wrote:
 
Kurt W wrote stuff too

Thanks guys,

Both work well.  

I just have to decide which fits into my script best when I head back to
work tomorrow.
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Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002

2002-01-31 Thread Ted Ozolins

On Thursday 31 January 2002 08:52 am, Tony Alfrey wrote:
o: SuSE Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi,

 I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor.
 I came to know later that they cancelled their spot. So with this
 and coupled with the fact that they laid off most of the US staff,
 does it mean that SuSE is no longer interested in US market? Lenz?

 I was also surprised to see Mandrake booth. This year, the floor
 was even smaller and attendence lighter.

Why am I not surprised. How in hell do you expect to interest people in 
considering linux if all they hear and see is XP?

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Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002

2002-01-31 Thread Joshua Lee



On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Ted Ozolins wrote:

  I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor.

 Why am I not surprised. How in hell do you expect to interest people in
 considering linux if all they hear and see is XP?

A correction on the SuSE mailing list: they are on the floor, near the IBM
booth. The situation of people not knowing about Linux is probably going
to change, IBM is airing advertisements now on TV. :-)

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Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002

2002-01-31 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Thursday 31 January 2002 04:11 pm,Ted Ozolins wrote:
 On Thursday 31 January 2002 08:52 am, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 o: SuSE Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Hi,
 
  I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor.
  I came to know later that they cancelled their spot. So with this
  and coupled with the fact that they laid off most of the US staff,
  does it mean that SuSE is no longer interested in US market? Lenz?
 
  I was also surprised to see Mandrake booth. This year, the floor
  was even smaller and attendence lighter.

 Why am I not surprised. How in hell do you expect to interest people
 in considering linux if all they hear and see is XP?


Sorry again, I may have posted too soon.  I saw this reply from Chris 
Mahmood.  Still too bad they had no booth.

Yes, the entire office except for me and the accountant are there.
We're spread between the IBM and a couple of other booths.


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Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002

2002-01-31 Thread dep

On Thursday 31 January 2002 19:34, Joshua Lee wrote:

| A correction on the SuSE mailing list: they are on the floor, near
| the IBM booth. The situation of people not knowing about Linux is
| probably going to change, IBM is airing advertisements now on TV.

problem is, i spent yesterday there and part of it was spent searching 
for suse. if they're there, they're very effectively disguised. and 
the show this year is *miniscule* compared to last year, so it's not 
all that easy to get lost. hell, i spent a short time in a nice 
conversation with esr, and even exchanged pleasantries with jeff 
hemos bates and rob malda. almost intimate. tough to hide. and no 
evidence of suse but for a listing at the ibm display, which included 
other distributions as well. and actual suse people who were there as 
part of other displays said that suse had canceled two weeks ago. so 
there is definitely conflicting information around.

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Re: Attn Sendmail experts

2002-01-31 Thread David A. Bandel

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:42:47 -0500
begin  Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

[snip]
 My question is: WTF is my .mc file?
 
 I've got a bunch of files with .mc extensions in 
 /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf. Should I edit the generic-linux.mc, 
 generic-openlinux.mc file, or the  mail.cs.mc file? Or should I be 
 looking somewhere else?

use the generic-openlinux.mc file.  But you should already have
genericstable support (in hash format).

 
 Also, this is telling me to use `dbm /etc/mail/genericstable'. When I 
 made my virtusertable.db, I had to use makemap hash because my version
 of makemap didn't support dbm, should I convert this to `hash 
 /etc/mail/genericstable'?

you are correct.

 
 BTW I'm running sendmail-8.11-1 on Caldera eWorkstation 3.1.

I believe you already have what you need, you just need to create the
genericstable and genericstable.db. 

You will also need CG lines (outgoing domains) or sendmail will refuse to
rewrite per the genericstable stuff.

Now, if you have defined DM (masquerade_as) and also have
(masquerade_envelope), you'll almost certainly need
FEATURE(limited_masquerade).

You can check out your changes like this:

sendmail -bt -d21.9
/tryflags hs
/try local [EMAIL PROTECTED]

you can use Ctrl+d to get out.

Ciao,

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Re: Attn Sendmail experts

2002-01-31 Thread Tim Wunder

Previously, David A. Bandel chose to write:
 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:42:47 -0500
 begin  Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:
snip
  I've got a bunch of files with .mc extensions in
  /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf. Should I edit the generic-linux.mc,
  generic-openlinux.mc file, or the  mail.cs.mc file? Or should I be
  looking somewhere else?

 use the generic-openlinux.mc file.  But you should already have
 genericstable support (in hash format).


That's what I did. It didn't have genericstable in there, so I added it.

snip

  BTW I'm running sendmail-8.11-1 on Caldera eWorkstation 3.1.

 I believe you already have what you need, you just need to create the
 genericstable and genericstable.db.

 You will also need CG lines (outgoing domains) or sendmail will refuse to
 rewrite per the genericstable stuff.


Hmmm... lessee. Nope, no CG lines. Is that a problem? The re-writing appears 
to be happening OK.

 Now, if you have defined DM (masquerade_as) and also have
 (masquerade_envelope), you'll almost certainly need
 FEATURE(limited_masquerade).


I have a defined DM, yes. I just added FEATURE(limited_masquerade) because of 
a problem I was having with the Return Path not getting masqueraded. Why 
would I nead limited_masquerade? It seems to be working without it. From 
the blurb on the sendmail.org site, it doesn't really apply to my small home 
network (I don't think).

 You can check out your changes like this:

 sendmail -bt -d21.9
 /tryflags hs
 /try local [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 you can use Ctrl+d to get out.

 Ciao,

 David A. Bandel

Thanks David.

Tim

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XMMS runs fast and no sound for some users

2002-01-31 Thread Joel Hammer

I used to know this but:
XMMS runs fine for my regular user, but when another regular user tries to
use it, the song loads, but plays very fast, and there is no sound. There is
no attempt made to access the audio device, because this behavior occurs
even when there is another xmms program running successfully from my regular
user.
strace xmms gives an error over and over again:
read(4, 0xb974, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) 

This doesn't appear to be a permissions problem with the mp3's. 

I made xmms chmod +s so it has the following permissions:

-rwsr-sr-x   1 root  users 964239 Feb 17  2000 /usr/bin/xmms   

I tried to install an updated version of xmms, but, as is getting common, it
wouldn't compile on my badly abused caldera 2.4 box.

I found the FAQ regarding xmms but they don't mention this problem.

The other regular user can play mp3's fine with mpg123, so this may be
some KDE or graphics problem.

Any insight appreciated,
Joe

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Re: XMMS runs fast and no sound for some users

2002-01-31 Thread Net Llama

This normally occurs when you've set the output device in XMMS to
generate a wav file rather than to play the MP3 to /dev/audio.  Check
the XMMS config.

--- Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I used to know this but:
 XMMS runs fine for my regular user, but when another regular user
 tries to
 use it, the song loads, but plays very fast, and there is no sound.
 There is
 no attempt made to access the audio device, because this behavior
 occurs
 even when there is another xmms program running successfully from my
 regular
 user.
 strace xmms gives an error over and over again:
 read(4, 0xb974, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
 
 
 This doesn't appear to be a permissions problem with the mp3's. 
 
 I made xmms chmod +s so it has the following permissions:
 
 -rwsr-sr-x   1 root  users 964239 Feb 17  2000 /usr/bin/xmms   
 
 I tried to install an updated version of xmms, but, as is getting
 common, it
 wouldn't compile on my badly abused caldera 2.4 box.
 
 I found the FAQ regarding xmms but they don't mention this problem.
 
 The other regular user can play mp3's fine with mpg123, so this may be
 some KDE or graphics problem.

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Re: XMMS runs fast and no sound for some users

2002-01-31 Thread Joel Hammer

Oh, for Pete's sake. I tried yet another regular user, and he worked fine.
So, I just deleted the .xmms directory with the problem user, and things
work now. I wish I had saved that directory so I could see what might
have been the problem. Ugh.

Joel

On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 09:33:31PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
 I used to know this but:
 XMMS runs fine for my regular user, but when another regular user tries to
 use it, the song loads, but plays very fast, and there is no sound. There is
 no attempt made to access the audio device, because this behavior occurs
 even when there is another xmms program running successfully from my regular
 user.
 strace xmms gives an error over and over again:
 read(4, 0xb974, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) 
 
 This doesn't appear to be a permissions problem with the mp3's. 
 
 I made xmms chmod +s so it has the following permissions:
 
 -rwsr-sr-x   1 root  users 964239 Feb 17  2000 /usr/bin/xmms   
 
 I tried to install an updated version of xmms, but, as is getting common, it
 wouldn't compile on my badly abused caldera 2.4 box.
 
 I found the FAQ regarding xmms but they don't mention this problem.
 
 The other regular user can play mp3's fine with mpg123, so this may be
 some KDE or graphics problem.
 
 Any insight appreciated,
 Joe
 
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Re: New virus?

2002-01-31 Thread stayler

On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:17:17 -0500, David A. Bandel wrote:

Anyone seen or heard anything about a new virus?  I just received a mail
from (No From) with No Subject, just an attachment: MGDACGMG.EXE. 
Naturally, it doesn't run (executable bit isn't set ;-) ).

Give it a scan.  

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Re: OT Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002

2002-01-31 Thread Lee

Ted Ozolins wrote:
 
 On Thursday 31 January 2002 08:52 am, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 o: SuSE Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Hi,
 
  I was at LWCE yesterday and found SuSE to be absent from the floor.
  I came to know later that they cancelled their spot. So with this
  and coupled with the fact that they laid off most of the US staff,
  does it mean that SuSE is no longer interested in US market? Lenz?
 
  I was also surprised to see Mandrake booth. This year, the floor
  was even smaller and attendence lighter.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see Mandrake. Lately, they have begun to show an 
agressive streak. Imagine that the French advance while the Germans retreat. The next 
thing you know somebody will let the cat out of that bag that Gates runs Linux on his 
home computer.
Lee
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Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners

2002-01-31 Thread Zoran

On Jan 30 LESLEY was heard saying:

-On Tuesday 29 January 2002 14:10, you wrote:
-That's one set of cookies I'll be erasing


*** Yep, especially when you foind out, by trying to sign-up for an
on-line participation, that only users with Win95/98/Me/2000/XP and
IE5.x are supported...

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