Re: one liner
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
I'm sure there are reasonable number of online manuals we'd all like
printed copies of.
Maybe we should see about costs for getting some of them printed fairly
nicely and bound.
I think the uni offers such a service here.
--
Shevek
I am the Borg.
sub AUTOLOAD { ($s=$AUTOLOAD)=~s/.*:://; eval qq{ *$AUTOLOAD=$s
?sub {$s*{$s-1}} :sub {1}; }; goto $AUTOLOAD; } print {'4'};
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:32:46PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Jo Walsh sent the following bits through the ether: lets kill off the old list before the two get too far out of sync Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. And a pony.
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up... And a pony. It's running Apache already, surely?
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:16:19PM +, Jo Walsh wrote: i would sooner install qmail/ezmlm than mailman would ppl object? I'd rather see exim/mailman but qmail is cool too. The most important bit is to get *something* working :) Michael
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:20:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: (Supposedly Mjd 2 is going to be better, RSN.) IIRC the postgresql mailing list are actually using it, or were. Don't think that it is done yet, tho. Smartlist is good. Mailman is good. ezmlm and qmail actually seem pretty nice, apart from the usual bernstein factor. Michael
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:11:45PM +, Peter Corlett wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up... /me has a bone to pick with majordomo. majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:27:50PM +, David Cantrell wrote: /me has a bone to pick with majordomo. majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt It's doable, you'll just wish you hadn't. Michael
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:25:26PM +, Greg Cope wrote: Roger Burton West wrote: Smartlist is good. Mailman is good. ezmlm is better Other than its unfortunate reliance on qmail. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
RE: the list is dead, long live the list
From: Peter Corlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2001 13:12 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up... We've had this discussion before (maybe in irc or in the pub) and decided that installing Majordomo would be a bad idea. I thought we'd decided on mailman as it seems to be the best MLM out there. Yes it's written in Python, but there's plenty of other software on the box which isn't written in Perl... ...and besides, there's a rumour that Andy Wardley has a hacked version of mailman that doesn't have the 'Powered by Python' logos :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?
Is anyone here responsible for www.fnord.demon.co.uk, or know someone who is? It's really only a matter of curiosity[1]. I was drawn there after last night's Mark Thomas Product on Channel 4 and noticed a cryptic Perl 3 liner (which I couldn't get to work) prominently placed on a front page. http://www.fnord.demon.co.uk/mt/fifth/ Some time later on the same site I came across a reference to Mark being a "Meeja Hor" and it rung a London.pm bell. Anyone? Class? Anyone? A [1] Although I would like to suggest a version of the site that doesn't require various plugins. -- Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:39:18PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:27:50PM +, David Cantrell wrote: /me has a bone to pick with majordomo. majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt It's doable, you'll just wish you hadn't. It's all working swimingly now. But I *really* regret redirecting mail to root to my phone. Good thing: the error messages were short enough to fit into an SMS Bad thing: they contained no useful information whatsoever I Will Not Give In. I Will Not Install Python. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: Pubs! (was: RE: Forthcoming Meetings - Summary)
* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Whilst exploring this area at lunchtime I found a pub called the Elusive Camel. I don't know what it's like outside, but further investigation has revealed that there are others in Victoria and Waterloo. Has anyone tried them? Should we investigate further? i drank in the elusive camel on occasion near victoria, its ok, its an office crowd with a wicker chair style deco, i get the feeling however they wouldn't like 20 drunk geeks - not quite cool enough if you know what i mean its the type of pub that turns into some peoples idea of hell when it is office party season -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
An entity claiming to be David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt : With a virtual user table under Sendmail, I would imagine it's not _that_ bad. Mark -- Mark Rogaski | "I've said this before but I'll say it again: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Smashing Pumpkins IS REO Speedwagon." http://www.pobox.com/~wendigo | -- Steve Albini __END__ | PGP signature
RE: From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?
From: Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2001 13:57 Is anyone here responsible for www.fnord.demon.co.uk, or know someone who is? I used to hang around with the MTCP groupies, but haven't spoken to any of them for some time. You might get more information from the slightly-more-official http://www.mtcp.co.uk or the mailing list http://www.mtcp.co.uk/online/list/join.html. It's really only a matter of curiosity[1]. I was drawn there after last night's Mark Thomas Product on Channel 4 and noticed a cryptic Perl 3 liner (which I couldn't get to work) prominently placed on a front page. http://www.fnord.demon.co.uk/mt/fifth/ Some time later on the same site I came across a reference to Mark being a "Meeja Hor" and it rung a London.pm bell. The Mark Thomas usage came first. A couple of years ago, he wore t-shirts with weird slogans on for each show. A couple of them were 'Meeja Hor' and 'Mor Hor'. The first was obviously ripe for appropriation and lengthening (a kind of "Embrace and Extend"). [1] Although I would like to suggest a version of the site that doesn't require various plugins. And, especially, a version that _doesn't_ insist on playing horrible midi files at you on every page :( Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:51:15PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Good thing: the error messages were short enough to fit into an SMS Bad thing: they contained no useful information whatsoever I Will Not Give In. I Will Not Install Python. I actually kinda like python, from the little I've played with it. Michael
Re: From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?
On Jan 11, 2:10pm, dcross - David Cross wrote: The Mark Thomas usage came first. A couple of years ago, he wore t-shirts with weird slogans on for each show. A couple of them were 'Meeja Hor' and 'Mor Hor'. The first was obviously ripe for appropriation and lengthening (a kind of "Embrace and Extend"). I thought that might be the case. A quick google only came up with a couple of references, mostly related to MT. [1] Although I would like to suggest a version of the site that doesn't require various plugins. And, especially, a version that _doesn't_ insist on playing horrible midi files at you on every page :( My annoyance is the pop-up window appearing on every page telling me to go and install a plugin so that it can play horrible midi files at me on every page. I half heartedly contemplated installing the plugin, but it turns out that I need to register with AOL/Netscape before I can download it. And alas, the user name "FuckOffBastard" has already been taken. :-( A -- Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:56:32PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: ... a cryptic Perl 3 liner (which I couldn't get to work) ... See http://www.cypherspace.org/~adam/rsa/ for an explanation of that particular cryptic 3-liner :-) .robin. -- Santa, oscillate my metallic soatnas!
Re: From whence cometh www.fnord.demon.co.uk?
On Jan 11, 3:54pm, Robin Houston wrote: See http://www.cypherspace.org/~adam/rsa/ for an explanation of that particular cryptic 3-liner :-) D'Oh! I really could have guessed that if I bothered to engage my brain! Curiosity satiated. Ta. A -- Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: one liner
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 07:38:04PM +, Dave Cross wrote: Oh, and Amazon.com have the Learning Tk book at 90% off at the minute if anyone's interested .. That'll explain the increase in sales that Nat noted the other day then :) Well, I expected one of their "Oops, we made a pricing error, so we can't sell you the large quantity of the book you requested, but hey, we're nice people, so we'll let you have one of them cheap instead" emails. But they claim to have shipped them all. At 90% off. Which I like. Tony -- - Tony Bowden | Belfast, NI | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.tmtm.com | www.blackstar.co.uk the woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep -
For all you nu meeja types
Found on UKNM mu meeja marketing list - credit to Tim Hayward for original post, credit to me for reformatting to 72 cols. - No, hang about... I'm right up for it. Let's start a whip round now for all those poor bastards who are going to end up cannon fodder in the .Com Wars in the next year. I reckon a 20ft high sculpture rising from the ruins of 'The Foundry'. Laser cut from pure silicon and looking something like that monumental bugger in Russia - The Factory Worker and the Collective Farm Girl. The plinth will be made entirely of leased blueberry Imacs compressed into an enormous slab under staggering heat and pressure. The male figure will be resplendent in an ironic Mullet, a grey outfit looking not unlike the paper jammies they give you during ECT and a kind of highly complex trainer/sandal combination that defies definition anywhere outside of a Tokyo teenager's bedroom. He'll, of course, be standing next to a vintage BMX bike which, were he ever to actually ride it, would make him look like one of Billy Smart's chimps. His companion will have a Hoxton helmet, a sort of tabard like frock made of two pieces of thick felt cut to shape with round ended scissors and Copydexed around the edges (Joseph Beuys meets Blue Peter - Remember when Valerie used to say 'It will cost a fraction of what it would in the shops and it's every bit as good' - It was a lie then and it's a lie now) some species of knitted, striped tights that are faintly redolent of leg irons and footwear of such abiding ugliness that a mere glimpse can throw you right off your Miso Blackened Cod Fillet. Both will gaze idealistically toward the City with a look that speaks an enlightened combination of greed, ignorance, arrogance and naiivety. She'll hold the symbolic keys of their leased office, leased loft, leased Audi TT whilst he carries aloft an everlasting flame in the form of a burning sheaf of stock options
Re: Technical Meeting Agenda
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: XML::Schema - Andy can we finish this with some sort of SIG meeting on XML::Scheme seeing as its all just ideas in the fevoured mind of Mr Wardley so far, i'm sure there are the usual suspect who'd like to vent their own opinions Hopefully it'll all be over by 9:30 and we can all bugger off to the nearest hostelry. ack, if i'm going to speak i'll have to allow myself a one beer ration -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Good marriages work this way too, by the way. I love my wife differently than I did at the beginning, but I certainly don't love her any less.- Larry Wall
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) previous_comment delivery="gentle" because we are the perl community, all we ever do is talk or if you are lucky work on personal projects /previous_comment -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) As an XML and perl based application server? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
From: "Andy Wardley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. Yes it is. Majordomo is the wrong choice for the 21st century. Once again I'll offer to run the list on euro.pm.org but if y'all'd rather debate stuff go ahead :-) Paul
XML::Schema, YAPC::Europe, mod_perl, Camel Visit, !RANT!
* David Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: "David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) As an XML and perl based application server? don't you go thinking about that Dave, your pencilled in to delivering this mod_perl solutions website you spoke about perviously ;-) it seems to me at the last technical meeting we had a lot of enthusiasm for this, and i'd guess we'll have a lot of enthusiasm for the XML::Schema stuff this time - what we need to do is to form SIG's of london.pm to drive these project forward so as far as i see it - we have the following projects to be carried out by london.pm and others ... Caml (i'll leave that typo as it might get mjd excited) Visit - David Cross Completion of account creation for initial donators, establishment of a administration committee and setting criteria for new donators - Jo + D.Cross The Mod Perl Evangelist Site - Dave Hodge.. The Final YAPC::Europe 2000 Site - me + LB + JP i'm pretty sure that these are the tasks we have at the minute as a group/community time_out ok the above seem's pretty anal but i get the feeling we need to add a bit of `` `` project management '' '' [1] to the group for the benefit of Perl - and this is a subject i'd love to see a thread on /time_out ok yes i know, this is whole mail has probably been purely been caused by my lower alchohol levels for january, but i can't help it - goddamnit i love perl and i love london.pm and i want london.pm to work to help perl -greg [1] double double quotes to indicate how much removed this is from the crap some of us suffer at work -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: "Andy Wardley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. Yes it is. Majordomo is the wrong choice for the 21st century. Once again I'll offer to run the list on euro.pm.org but if y'all'd rather debate stuff go ahead :-) speaking from a personal opinion its a kind offer Paul, but it really should be run off the london server (currently) penderel.state51.co.uk (thanks state51!) - we've invested in the beatie and it would be a shame to see it not being used for instance i've logged on and seen it with 0% CPU usage, why don't we run at least the distributed net client on it - well the reason is we need organisation of the running of it, jo's deserves a sainthood (or the female version of it) for what she has done so far but we need to organise it properly - anyway see the other mail i sent recently thanks again for the offer! -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly. I just can't handle bernsteinisms when there are good alternatives available - exim (easy), postfix (secure), mailman. I can only put up with his oddities when the alternative is worse. djbdns vs bind. Totally agreed. FWIW, exim + mailman is a slick, effective solution. # apt-get install mailman and implementing http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html Paul
Re: XML::Schema, YAPC::Europe, mod_perl, Camel Visit, !RANT!
[snip] so as far as i see it - we have the following projects to be carried out by london.pm and others ... Caml (i'll leave that typo as it might get mjd excited) Visit - David Cross Completion of account creation for initial donators, establishment of a administration committee and setting criteria for new donators - Jo + D.Cross The Mod Perl Evangelist Site - Dave Hodge.. The Final YAPC::Europe 2000 Site - me + LB + JP So you won't be needing Natalie's help with the website then? Someone perhaps ought to tell her before she does much more work trying to get the schedules together. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
