Re: YAPC::Europe
Paul Mison wrote: On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, Dean wrote: Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together or is the whole thing going to be ad hoc? Not yet, no. (Oh, and what are the cheapest flights from London City? Living in skanky East London's got to be good for *something*.) I was hoping for a lovely cheap flight from London City to Amsterdam but VLM (who I can get cheap flight from) only fly to Rotterdam :( There are flights to Amsterdam from there but they're about 120 quid :( Will try and see if I can get cheapo flight through my contacts. Organising anything for London.pm once a year is enough. (Oh, did the pub evaluation sessions happen this week, or did I miss something?) No, I was really busy last week. Will try and do them this week. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder only second toughest
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Greg McCarroll wrote: If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people who looked london.pm-ish to test it. But I have two modules up there at the moment ... File::Binary and Apache::Session::SharedMem so I should at least 3= :( /me pouts -- simon wistowwireless systems coder only second toughest
Re: CMS frameworks
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any other offers? http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/ Why do all these things have to look like Slashdot? It that now the ONLY metaphor for these things. I know Nielsen would approve of the familiarity part but... 'cos they're all based on the Slash code? Which isn't all that amenable to total reskinning. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder only second toughest
Re: early peek at a bit of fun
Paul Mison wrote: On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.) Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia. Leon, how about a london.pm world map :) Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd be easy. There are modules out there for doing IP2LL http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~olson/IPtoLL.html/ and http://www.caida.org/tools/utilities/netgeo/ But it just isn't all guaranteed to be accurate for various reasons. Getting, say 70% accuracy isn't taht hard, the next 20% is very hard, the next 10% after that is nigh on impossible. other links http://www-pablo.cs.uiuc.edu/Project/VR/ip2ll/faq.htm http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/ip2ll/ http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/~laszewsk/java/doc1/api/org.globus.applications.mapper.GeographicalLocator.html -- simon wistowwireless systems coder only second toughest
Re: Training anyone ?
Dave Thorn wrote: that settles it, yes. everything's for sale, even pride. London Pride? -- simon wistowwireless systems coder only second toughest
Re: Persistent Perl
Dominic Mitchell wrote: And you'd have to make the daemon threaded, or end up running multiple pre-forking daemons to do the job. At which point, you're only saving the fork time and the parse time, which depending on how much effort it is to complete the above, may not be much of a saving (passing credentials along unix sockets is still pretty slow and non-portable). But isn't it roiughly the same scheme that mod_perl uses? And that *is* demonstrably useful. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder only second toughest
Re: M$ SQueaLServer
Ian Brayshaw wrote: What I'm trying to find is industry evidence of SQueaL's performance (or lack of). The more gory the details the better. It's not unbiased and you have to sift through the cruft but checking old Ask-Slashdots is often worth doing as the occasional person comes up with some hard evidence and some convincing facts. Building Large Scale e-Commerce Systems? http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/00/09/07/1758230.shtml might have some stuff and I'm sure there was something about terabyte database solutions one time Linux Databases with Huge Tables? http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/99/09/29/0520201.shtml RAID Solutions For Terrabyte Databases? http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/01/01/11/2243216.shtml might also have some useful links -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: Tie::Hash::Cannabinol
Cross David - dcross wrote:
return $self-{$keys[rand $#keys]};
Shouldn't this just gradually start to forget more and more things using
Tie::Hash::Decay?
And then start consuming your resources when it gets the munchies?
Or chuck a whitey and start spewing out spurious data everywhere or ...
I'll get me coat.
--
simon wistowwireless systems coder
i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: TPC Travel
Leon Brocard wrote: Hey, groovy, you can join Simon and me on a drive down to crazy Mexico. We'll pick up beer, chicks and crazy Mexican guitar-playing people. Just remember to bring a stake just in case we happen to bump into a vampire-filled bar... or a handy vampire slayer.
Re: TPC Travel
Cross David - dcross wrote: Cost me £660, but I notice that this morning Ebookers are showing only £1200 seats left on those flights :( Eeeek. Must. book. Flight. p.s. Oh, and I'm staying in the East Tower of the Sheraton. Moi aussi I think. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Downside is that it is not all that large, and gets horribly crowded on a summers evening. Lots of students and workers from nearby Guys. The tiny bar serving areas get chock-a-block. Also, IMHO, to beer is not kept that well, and I've never had a good pint there. I'm going to have to agree with. Never really liked that pub and I *REALLY* don't like drinking with Medics. And I live with and hang around with Guy's [0] medics. In that area though there's Davey's Pot house under the bridge which serves ale in pewter mugs, port in pitchers, has sawdust on the floors, no stairs, is quiet and has nice food and also a there's pub in the market which I can't remember the name of but is quiet nice when it iusn't heaving. Simon [0] Technically Guy's, Kings and St Thomas'. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
Neil Ford wrote: Only one question food? Yes, AFAIK. Standard pub grub. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: OT,Joke : Forwarded from alt.humour.best.of.usenet
Cross David - dcross wrote: [1] http://www.pair.com/spook [2] for those of you not yet acquainted with Mr Corley's particualt brand of madness. [2] At least, that _was_ his web site, but trying to access it from behind this firewall I get The Websense category Tasteless is restricted. 404 - G3b0rk3d
Re: Slow disks under linux
Dominic Mitchell wrote: I'd like to tell you how to get the flash plugin working, but I couldn't because it's a Linux .so and can't be linked in to my FreeBSD konqueror. :-( There's an OpenSource version written by Olivier Debon. It's not as good as the official one but it's better than a kick in the tits with a wet haddock. http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: bad greg
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: https://www.joker.com/ ? Who appear to have clue. I *heart* Joker.com -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: [PUB] Possible candidate
Cross David - dcross wrote: pedant That's Doggett Coat and Badge - a pint to the forst person to explain the name. /pedant c.f previous mail The right to wear Doggett's Coat and Badge is the prize in a rowing race held yearly since 1715 between London Bridge and Cadogan Pier, Chelsea in London. It was initiated by Thomas Doggett to commemorate the coronation of George I. The badge is silver and shows the white horse of Hannover. The race is now held in July. -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: Email::Valid
Andy Williams wrote: Has any one used this module at all? How does it match up against tchrist's stuff? http://sunsite.lanet.lv/ftp/mirror/x2ftp/msdos/admtools/ckaddr -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: Grammar - Class creation
Paul Makepeace wrote: Are there modules/frameworks that exist to create classes from a grammar spec (e.g. EBNF)? Restating, I'm envisaging something where the input is a grammar and the output is a class or set of classes that provides parsing capabilities and validating accessor methods. Immediate application is feeding the PDF spec I started looking into this when I first started doing the SWF stuff ... a kind of YACC for file formats. Describe it in a BNF-a-like language and then run a program over it et voila - you have a library for reading and creating that file format (he says, glossing over lots of complications and gotchas). Write that program for each different language and lots of different languages/systems have access to lots of different fiel formats and every time a format changes the spec gets updated and everyone runs their grammar-library programs again and everybody's got full functionality again. I think this article talks about it some http://advogato.org/article/59.html Like I said, I looked into and didn't find anything and didn't have the time/experience/inclination to start doing something myself - too many gotchas :( -- simon wistowwireless systems coder i think, i said i think this is our fault.
Re: Grammar - Class creation
Paul Makepeace wrote: Like I said, I looked into and didn't find anything and didn't have the time/experience/inclination to start doing something myself - too many gotchas :( Like what kind of gotchas, besides the padding/endianity stuff? Well, Parse::RecDescent didn't do binary (I looked at patching it, hence File::Binary, but didn't get round to it) plus some files store things as binary offsets in files and do nasty optimisation tricks like .. 1. $x = next 5 bits as an UINT 2. if ($x==32) $x next 8 bits as an UINT 3. next 5 variables are all SINTS and are $x bits long doing it (i.e a BNF that described Binary files) wouldn't be impossible but I don't have enough experience with other file formats to think of other gotchas and/or the time to write this sort of stuff. I'd have to think of some sort of IDL as well I suppose.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Niklas Nordebo wrote: I happened to find this on DVD at Tower yesterday, 2 for £25[0], so I bought it, and will bring it on Sunday. Groovesome. May have to pick that up myself as well.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Leon Brocard wrote: I could bring along Real Genius? (slightly more old-skool hackers though) Ooh, yes. I was going to dig out my (recorded-from-tv) copy of that from home next weekend. Can't seem to find it anywhere as an original. [0] I also have D.A.R.Y.L (Data Analyising Robot Youth Lifeform) but I thinkt hat's pushing it a bit. As is mentioning the fact that I ahve the first 2 seasons of 8uffy on DVD. Muuuhahahahaha - Electronics Boutique and their silly selling it to me half price shenanigans. Simon [0] Is this deja-l.pm? UHF apparently to be released on DVD ... http://members.aol.com/allthngynk/uhf10th/dvd.htm
Re: Election Manifestos
Chris Ball wrote: I used to use At-mail a lot at work. Pseudo-interesting question of the day; do you really feel it was ripped off (in the stigmatism-attached sense of the word), or given that it was GPLed or Artistic'd anyway, that it's fair play to them and that's something that happens when you Give Code To The World sometimes? The later versions don't bear any resemblance at all (well superficially anyway - it's a completly new DHTML interface they have although the modules they use are exactly the same as the ones used in Acmemail v.1) but the early versions were identical. Even down to Leon's dodgy, non transparent GIFs for icons. Have no problem with them making money out of it it was just that it was ripped off and not released under the GPL and/or the changes sent back to us.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: If that counts, then Weird Science counts too! Got that as well. I'm more than willing to just put on the 'creation' scene from that.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Wow, and she's got three kids by Steven Seagal. The eighties were a crazy decade and people did a lot of things they regret.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Greg McCarroll wrote: but [Steven Seagal] can also cook! And he's rather good at Aikido (he's a 7th Dan and also a shinto priest IIRC). I vaguely rmemeber something about him openign up the first wstern run Aikido dojo in Japan but I have absoultley no way of backing that up.
Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest
Piers Cawley wrote: And if anyone has a half decent copy of _Better Off Dead_ (early John Cusack film) I'd be *very* happy to see it again. Even though it's not quite in this genre, and I won't be making it to the film fest anyway... No but I do have The Sure Thing (imdb: John Cusack/Anthony TopGun, ER Edwards/Daphne Zuniga/Roadtrip/California/Odd Couple/Shot-gunning Beer) which is an even earlier film. /me IMDBs softly to himself. Humm, same year.
Re: Election Manifestos
Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: It didn't hit critical mass. Discuss. Yet Another Webmail Client; it wasn't exactly filling a gaping niche. (And I say that as someone who may soon be maintaining one of the others...) It did at the time - IIRC there weren't any (good) GPL-ed Webmail clients when Leon started Acmemail and when I (well, Mark and I) were working on it to get it integrated for a free ISP I hunted around and there wasn't anything nearly as good (IMO) except Malcom Beattie's Wing (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~mbeattie/wing/) which I looked at but didn't like the structure. It's a pity Acmemail never really took off (apart from being ripped off and turned into a succesful company by At-mail) because it had loads of great fetaures, was easy to extend and customise (especially the latest development branch) and could easily (a month of good hacking) have had feature sets to rival or beat anything I've seen including Hotmail and Yahoomail. On the other hand I learnt a lot about writing good, abstracted, large scale CGI applications and maintainable, reusable code. I learnt about doing mail and MIME properly under Perl, about working as a team on code, Open Source software development models, that Mail::Cclient is powerful but complicated and can be a bitch to install, supporting users (God some of them are stupid) and writing documentation and installation guides. Which was nice.
Re: Election Manifestos
Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:04:19AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: that Mail::Cclient is powerful but complicated and can be a bitch to install, And use. Ripping that fucker out would be my first act. :) There's also http://www.horde.org/imp/ which is reasonably popular. But Mail::Cclient is also unbeleivably powerful. Lying round on my HD there's a Mail::Cclient::Simple which amkes everything much easier but it's one of many projects I've never got round to finishing. Why reinvent the wheel by rolling my own or using 5 or 6 different modules when one will do. Imp was crap when we started and it's also PHP based. I like PHP (/me gets coat) but I wouldn't do a large scale application in it (especially since I had just just done one then and hit some very large limitations) plus it doesn't have the community support that Perl does or CPAN and it was difficult to extract presentation from logic.
Re: Election Manifestos
Simon Cozens wrote: I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP? Harriet Harman tried to tell me that I didn't really know about computers or the Internet. Personally I don't believe a word anybody says about anything let alone politicians, I just thought it was a good talking point and interesting that the Conservatives seem to be actively persuing the techno-savvy.
Re: Sara Cox - was Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women
Robin Szemeti wrote: I suspect the current 'Lad's' magazines phase is a backlash against the crazy political correctness of the 80's .. hopefully the whole thing will settle down eventually. If you see it lying around the reading 'Getting away with it - the story of Loaded' by Tim Southwell is worth an afternoon (probably not worth buying unless it's cheap though) if only for the first few chapters about how they set up the magazine and the last few about how it started to go wrong, the middle chapters are basically just anecodotes about some of the interviews they did and aren't overly interesting. After Loaded started eating into and then eventually surpassing their market share FHM et al changed their image to take a slice of the Lads' Mags market.
Re: Long shot
Jonathan Peterson wrote: Anyone know a windows IMAP client that: 1. Isn't Netscape 2. Isn't Eudora 3. Actually Works 4. Is free or cheap Pc-Pine? http://www.washington.edu/pine/pc-pine/
Re: Long shot
Jonathan Peterson wrote: Netscape - works, can filter mail, poor interface, dreadfully slow Hmm, I like Netscape's Interface - does everything I want it to, no unessecarily wasted screen territory, excellent configuartion system. The only thing that narks me off is the fact that, unlike the *nix version, threads with unread mails don't get bolded to indicate this. Oh and it's also too tightly tied to the browser and doesn't let you have multiple identies. How's the Mozilla version coming along?
Re: pc components
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: He was touring with Norman Lovett, who wasn't nearly as good. I found Norman Lovett really funny. Managed to keep the whole audience laughing without actually saying anything for a few minutes and thena few minutes more just by saying what? Simon [easily amused]
Re: TPC Quiz Team
Leon Brocard wrote: Cross David - dcross sent the following bits through the ether: I need three volunteers to join me in the london.pm team for Jon Orwant's Internet Quiz at The Perl Conference. If you'll accept me, I'd be happy to join you... I'm up for it as well unless you find someone better. Or I get killed. /ObStarShipTroopersReference type=paraphrased
Re: Enough!
Simon Cozens wrote: One of the things I plan to do on my way around America after TPC is sit down with Kevin and DHD and start writing some funky robots. sphinx + infobot + reefknot + festival -- why hire a secretary when you can write one? :) I've been meaning to have a crack at hooking together Asterisk (OpenSource, http://www.asteriskpbx.com/main/), Festival (Speech Synthesis, http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/), Sphinx (OS, speech recognition, http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/), Perl and one of the info bots/POE for a couple fo years now. I've just never had the time :( Fairly easy to write your own 'Wildfire'-esque system with this. Hook it into Mister House (open source home automation program, http://misterhouse.net/) and you could do some really funky things by just phoning up your house [ring ring, ring ring] Dipsy : hello Simon : I need an exit Errr, I'll just get me coat shall I?
Re: T-Shirts
Barbie wrote: ...and then sunny Birmingham .. You must have been dreaming! I was stuck in the Chamberlain hotel on Broad Street. I wanted to go out for a walk and go to a bar and a restaurant (rather than being stuck in the hotel ones) but it was absolutley pissing it down with rain so I just stayed inside and sulked and ran up expenses. I actually meant to give you a bell and ask if you wanted to go for a swift pint but I was only told I was going on Monday night and I didn't have email access where I was on site (the glamourous Small Heath business park)
Re: Monitors
Lucy McWilliam wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: (I don't eat chocolate.) *shock* Me neither. I came to the startling conclusion about 5 years ago that I don't really like. I don't hate it, just don't particularly enjoy it except in odd moods and even then mostly dark chocolate. I managed to have a day trip to Geneva on Friday and didn't buy any at all. Do spiders make gravy...? Yes. It just doesn't taste very nice, you need a lot of them to make a decent quantity of stock and you keep finding bits of legs in your Yorkshires.
Re: UK programmers left-wing? was Re: BOFHs requiring license
Steve Mynott wrote: Libertarianism seems more popular than socialism on the internet as as a whole, at least, with many American programmers. To counter Dave's left wing views (trolllhave you ever noticed how left wingers tend to be less tolerant to the fact that their views may be wrong than right wing people?/troll) I'd argue that libertarianism/socialism is fine as a personal philosophy but doesn't work in the broader, govermental scheme of things. In a nutshell: people are bastards and will try and take advantage of a situation where they're in power. 'Tis the Hawks and the Hares scenario. The best form of government would be a benevolent dictator (c.f Piers Anthony's Bio of a Space Tyrant which can both back up and completely destroy my argument) . But they don't exist. 'Cos people suck. [me deletes the rest of this thread because I read it before on another mailing list and I said exactly the same thing then. And the time before that on an entirely different list altogther.]
Re: Perl training
Chris Ball wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:21:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: STPPPIDD! OoOoOoh, Red Snapper! Very tasty! /obscure_quoting UHF++ Ghandi II - No more Mister Passive Resistance, Spatula City, Conan the Librarian (Donch yew knooow der Dewey Decimal System) Genius. Simon [off to drink from the firehose and particualrly chuffed cos he picked up D.A.R.Y.L (Data Analysing Robot Youth Lifeform) for 3 quid on Sunday]
Re: BOFHs requiring license
Struan Donald wrote: wasn't it an auction? i like to look on this as some sort of crack induced madness on the side of tha various telcos involved in which thet actually belived the hype aboug 3G comming out of their marketing departments. Basically it went like this: As a telco you ahve to bid for this because if you don't get a 3G licence then you're fucked. So everyone who bids as high as they can. So whoever gets it is fucked anyway because they've got no money. 3G is all bollocks anyway. Just like everything else in the Mobile Phone industry. /rant
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Robin Houston wrote: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:06:42PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Is this the point where I can try and recruit some of you compscis to the bioinformatics revolution? I've always thought it sounded like fun. How does one go about joining the bioinformatics revolution, then? Ditto. How's the jobs board coming along Jo? I have a friend recently departed from the exciting world of software development in Reading and looking for a move to London.
Re: TBA?
Greg McCarroll wrote: Penderels Oak, and afterwards I have a table at the Gaucho Grill for steak. Can't we just eat beef instead? It will be a lot less wooden for a start. Badoom, boom. Thankyourveramuch ladies and germs I'll be here all week.
Re: Dim Sum?
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: ARGH! Sorry, I got PHB-ed. Psycho Hose Beasted? /me suspects that Dave and Simon have very different definitions of PHB
Re: Dim Sum?
Greg McCarroll wrote: Psycho Hose Beasted? Simon, if you are going to reveal next week's Buffy episode at least put SPOILER in the subject ;-) Huh? Can't remember where I first heard it although both Red Dwarf and Calvin and Hobbes spring to mind.
Re: Dim Sum?
Mike Wyer wrote: Can't remember where I first heard it although both Red Dwarf and Calvin and Hobbes spring to mind. Wayne's World. That's the ticket. I was getting it confused with Calvin and Hobbes' Homicidal Psycho Jungle Cat :)
Re: [OT] Anyone want a Defender?
David Cantrell wrote: I've got bored with my Defender, so am selling it. Anyone interested? ObLondon.pm: defender beats watching buffy on the stupid-box any day of the week. Will. To. Save. Money. Fading. Is it an original Williams cab? How much? (important things first) Want me to punt this to the UK:Resistance games freaks list?
Re: cocktails
Chris Heathcote wrote: Off the top of my head: ICA bar, Match (Noho/Farringdon/Sosho), lab (on Old Compton St.), aka... also heard about Smiths of Smithfield, but never been there. Smiths isn't really a cocktail bar IIRC. Cocktails at the Marriot (aka the old County Hall) aren't unbelievably expensive. For true geekdom go get cocktails go to Cynthia's Cyberbar http://www.cynbar.co.uk/ where you are served cocktails by a robot. As opposed to being served coffee by a drone at Starbucks.
Re: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this
Cross David - dcross wrote: I'll get my photos up before too long. But I do need to get them developed the old fashioned way, so if anyone wants to prevent photos taken on the Staten Island Ferry from being published then they still have a few days to approach me with an appropriate bribe. Well I could mention that you were a big jessie on the roller coaster at Coney Island ... except that I've jsut done that. Ah. ... Have I ever mentioned that I really like you and have always respected and admired you?
Re: Buffy? .. naah .. wait till you see this
Cross David - dcross wrote: At least _I_ was on the roller coaster at Coney Island - unlike some people I could mention. And I'm hoping that Gill has the photo to prove it :) I'd have been on it too if I hadn't needed to go back to Manhattan. Gah, publish and be damned Cross.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Leon Brocard wrote: Leon, who didn't get as many points snowboarding than he does in SSX. Somehow falling hurts more... *cough* Deja-Angst : http://www.inktank.com/index.cfm?toon=02-26-01
Re: More Natives
Cross David - dcross wrote: Now, take yer lame ass fountain pens, and leave me alone. I'm in Hereford, England on business, and have _NO_ time to deal with this I'm right/your wrong/i kill/you write crap. I used to see bk and his ilk when I used to go to Hereford - they were hanging around outside the McDonalds wearing Adidas tracksuits and trying to bum cigarettes off the soldiers.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16 (Attempt 2)
Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Simon Wistow wrote: segwayed I dont think so Simon ... Neither did I. But i was tired. /me waves hands vaguely
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-16
Simon Wistow wrote: This is the thirteenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London *cough* Frscking, sucking, send shortcuts in netscape. Apologies.
Re: Komodo
Dean wrote: I've been using [Kdevelop] for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being taken to the line. Ultraedit does this. It's great and I love it. And it works under Wine.
Re: re-release of autodial
Aaron Trevena wrote: the new version of autodial - codenamed DiaKiller, is available at http://droogs.org/autodial/ From the FAQ (http://droogs.org/autodial/FAQ) Q: Why is AutoDIAL so rubbish. A: Because Trelane told me to 'just release it' although blame is automatically deferred to Muttley because everything is his fault. HEY! :)
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
Dave Cross wrote: I understood that you had delegated the actual work to someone else. Can you ensure that your vice-chair is able to speak in your place. Umm. Ok. Somebody give me the designs and I'll get them printed. Talk over. Or am I missing something?
Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April
Neil Ford wrote: Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'? Got em, cheers.
Re: Test
Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:19:15PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Feature request - IMAP client. Mail::IMAPClient exists, so I guess it's a real possibility. When I get a spare second. (Yeah, right.) There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to install and the interface is a bit unfriendly (until I finally get round to writing Mail::Cclient::Simple) but does EVERYTHING (POP3, IMAP, NNTP, and Mbox if I ever get round to M::C::S) almsot transparently. Oh and it does on the fly MIME decoding and fast so you don't need to leave nasty temporary files lying around when munging.
Re: Test
Simon Cozens wrote: On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to install and the interface is a bit unfriendly That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :( Yeah, tell me about it. hence the idea of Mail::Cclient::Simple
Re: Crazy Idea
dcross - David Cross wrote: How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject to the FM issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into ^^^ Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? /me suspects Dave may have been kidnapped and replaced by a dozier, evil replacement. Volunteers for a rescue party step forward.
Re: from ntk
James Powell wrote: RANDAL SCHWARTZ slams London.pm's "Perl is my bitch" T-Shirt - odd, considering: http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot/ ... *cough* Will email NTK and point out that it is not and was never a London.pm t-shirt.
Re: from ntk
Aaron Trevena wrote: I think the jamie olover link has saved them - it is mighty fine. Which is from pobitch anyway.
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
Robin Szemeti wrote: IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a very comprehensive set of tests and assesment levels, do all that. The theory driving test in this country was doen by getting driving instructors/examiners to send in questiosn and then they assesed them and stuck them in the question pool. Perhaps something like that might be in order - get peeps to send in questions and then get 'editors' to grade them from 0 (silly/rejected) to 5 (damnably hard Deep Perl Wizadry).
Re: Perl Auto-RPC
Greg McCarroll wrote: # locally an rpc call is made to the remote package server, which creates # an object and returns the local id to the other machine That was the way I was thinking of doing it as well. Hmm, nother thing to add to the list of things to do.
Re: Perl Auto-RPC
Robin Houston wrote: A stateful server would definitely help here. It was going to be a stateful server. But stateless could be an option.
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19
Dave Cross wrote: For even more points: What was the first TV show the Lenny Henry appeared on? Black and White Minstrel show IIRC . Although I think he was a on a couple of talent shows first.
Re: Matt's Scripts Projects
Chris Devers wrote: Probably, as is "The Matt's Wrong Archive", which is probably far too negative obvious anyway... ;) But if Matt Sergeant put it up ...
Re: [boring] Statistics
David Cantrell wrote: Quick question for any statisticians out there: Does this look like it should be modelled with a Poisson distribution to you? This data represents the number of logins on a workstation per hour. Don't think so, there's too much of a dip at 11:00 and 14:00
Re: Autoconf Magic
Dean wrote: Not personally but i have this in my bookmark list: http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/autobook/autobook_toc.html Seems to be the ticket - I only needit for very quick stuff - compiling and installing a .so and a program linked about it. Will have a look at that page and other examples and see what I come up with. Cheers.
Re: Kevin Smith Film Fest
Hamlet D'Arcy wrote: Long story short... I won advance tickets, a mallrats CD, Mallrats baseball hat, mallrats stickers, and... A FULL SET OF MALLRATS TRADING CARDS! (which I still have). Must. Resist. Urge. To Burgle. House.
Re: T-shirts for Monday
"David H. Adler" wrote: I'm guessing that those of us on this side of the atlantic are, therefore, out of luck at this point? Nope. Well, sort of. I saved 3 * XL for Merkins. I'm also thinking of printing some more.
Re: New London PM Shirt Designs
Struan Donald wrote: couldn't all this sort of thing be summed up as: my ($meme,$buzzword) = @ARGV; $meme =~ s/$buzzword/perl/g; print $meme; or even any(@memes) +~ /any(@buzzword)/perl/g; print any(@memes); or something
Re: Buffy episode 'too explicit'
Dave Cross wrote: "My name is Dave and it's been three weeks since I watched more than one episode on Buffy on the same day." Wah, due to circumstances beyond my control I haven't seen (terrestrial) 8uffy for about a month now. I think the last episode I saw was the one with Faith waking up.
Re: Do what I mean!
Steve Purkis wrote: A *few* tweaks to the core? Come on now, you'd have to make the core grok multiple dimensions! (... and that would be about as easy as building an infinite improbrability drive...) We can reason that there is a Perl Core that spans multiple dimensions so there must be a finite probability that there is one. Somewhere. Possibly in a galaxy, far far away. So we sit Larry down infront of 8uffy, feed him a really good, strong cup of tea and voila - Perl 6 complete with 'use constant time;' and full DWIM engine.
Re: Do what I mean!
Matthew Robinson wrote: I have now implemented the changes to the constant pragma module so that all scripts run in constant time (in fact they run instantaneously). You're ill. Get help.
Re: ActiveState Awards
dcross - David Cross wrote: All worthy winners, but ask yourself - which one is most likely to buy you a drink at a london.pm meeting if he wins the award? Hopefully Matt - I nominated him ;)
Re: NY invasion, was Re: Conway Hall
Paul Mison wrote: I'll welcome the help. Consider this me co-volunteering then. We could go for Wed 28 March to Mon 2 April instead; comments? London.pm does April Fools' in NY. Hmm. Distinct possibilities. Means I skip the flight home to go see my Dad on his birthday (also April 1 - explains a lot) but hey ho. Simon
Dada Dodo Does Four Char Word Ouli Perl
This'll probably mena nothing to you unless a) you were at the last London.pm technical meeting b) hang around on #london.pm c) are also on ( void ) but, because of sudden but temporary free time yesterday afternoon (Nokia WTLS gateway was down and we couldn't test RC5 connections with our WAP stack in case you care) I knocked up a quick script using Mr Clamp's Algorithm::Markov module, a bit of smoke and mirrors and Burton Egbert Stevenson's 'The Home Book Of Verse, Volume 1' and came up with something that generates poems consisting entirely of four character words. http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/four/
Re: Last Night
Alex Page wrote: It didn't seem too bad - my pints were 2.50 each, which for central London isn't bad. There were certainly space issues, however. Hmm. yeah. There was a bit of a mix up - I booked in advance and asked for seating for 30 people but when I arrived they'd done standing space for 30 instead. Which was a bit of an arse. See the points people have with noise and smoke though. The TVRs were 34 quid each but had about 8 shots of vodka and 8 shots of tequila in and 6 cans of redbull. Which is quite expensive but not *that* bad. I liked it because it only took 20 mins to get home :)
Re: Mailing List Stuff
Robin Houston wrote: I've wondered that too. Seems to be a #perl obsession... As in "stroke the pony"?
Re: Bad programming considered harmless
Jonathan Peterson wrote: There is nothing wrong with bad programming. There is however lots of thinsg wrong with teaching bad pregramming. Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent about cars a less sinister explanation is that cars *ARE* getting hideously compilcated with variable valve timings and ECU chips. Whilst chaning your oil is not hard or even changing the spark plugs there is a lot of potential to go wrong. You could argue that irregular shaped bolts is an effort to save people from themselves.
Re: previous jobs
Matthew Jones wrote: so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past? I walways had crappy non-IT jobs. The absolute worst was when I went to work in a plastics factory. As new boy, it fell to me to make sure that all the waste plastic was disposed of as efficiently as possible. I worked as a handy man and barman for a sort of restaurant/bar/shop complex in germany (like the Lassiters complex in Neighbours but without the class). I got in at 8am and swept for an hour and a half and then had to do things like clean the windows with washing up liquid and kitchen towel. Then I had to clean the vans with tea towels and washing up liquid. And no hose. In the time it took me it would ahve been far more efficent to just drive it to the car wash. But by far the worst job was cleaning out the grease traps in the kitchen which were big, heavy and full and had to be carried down a long corridor (usually spilling a fair whack over myself and the floor) and then taken outside and poured into canisters (with no funnel, I improvised using newspaper) again spilling copious quantities over myself and the floor. Then I had to clean up all the oil that was lying around. I got home at 2pm and then at 6:30 I went out again and worked as the barman until midnight/1am. The clientele was mostly pissed squaddies. For this work I got the princley sum of 8 Marks an hour. Or 2 pounds 30. However pints were 1 mar (about 3o p) each so I worked out that since I could buy 8 pints an hour that was the equivalent of 16 quid which kept me (sort of) sane. Mostly.
Re: Technical Meeting Venues
Matthew Jones wrote: So how do That.pm feel about some northern tyke scuttling down to join you for the odd beer and tech meeting on a sort of semi-regular basis? For the love of God NO! Every time you're down in This I end up the next morning feeling fragile wearing nothing but a traffic cone and a policwoman's helmet ;)
Re: Meeting Reminder
Greg McCarroll wrote: The Anchor, near London Bridge, 8/1/2001, starting 6.30 ish ;-) (ask me for directions if you dont' know it) Top pub. Although I'm partial to Davy's Pot House under the bridge as well. Conveniently close to Cynthia's Cyberbar. Simon [who decided to give up drinking for Feburary and is now regretting it ...]
Re: Video Tips
Dave Cross wrote: Here's a top tip. Don't try to video two hours of programs on an hour and a half of video tape. Does anyone happen to have Friday's Angel taped - I only really need the second half :( Anybody got the 1st half of the terrestrial Buffy from this week taped? And the second half infact. Damn Burns Night.
Re: Technical Meeting Venues
Matthew Jones wrote: Dave is sitting in his living room, leafing through his back issues of "Canned Food and Preserved Rations Monthly". Wrong Dave. More like "Dave is lounging casually in his Chippendale, stroking his gold plated cat and having his feet massaged by a minion. Another lackey is reading aloud from the latest issue of 'Being rich monthly' but Dave halts him with a flick of his bejewelled hand sends him scurrying away, tugging his forelock as he backs out of the room, hi-salamming as he goes. He is just musing whether or not to go riding in his Zeppelin throwing gold coins to the supplicating paupers below when Greg walks in ..."
Re: odd -w effect
Michael Stevens wrote: I hate to say it, but I'm slowly becoming converted to windows cut paste. I like being able to highlight a block of text and hit ctrl-v to replace that with the contents of the clipboard. troll Why do you hate to say it? It's better than cut and paste of X. Linux isn't the be all and end all. It's not even the best Unix clone out there in my opinion - it just has the most support. But if that's the measure of how good it is then Windows is better. Inux just happens to be better at doing most stuff that we need to do. But it doesn't mean that it's the best OS. In fact when you think about it it's a bit shit and is based on 30 year old technology which wasn't even the best OS back then (c.f http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) but then at least it's not nearly as bad as X is. *nix is not the future. Something else entirely is. /troll Simon [grumpy today]
Re: Consultancy company
Andy Wardley wrote: Having said that, I do very little "real" work at work, instead spending my time reading/writing email, chatting to people, playing table tennis, having meetings, and doing other brain dead tasks. I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time. I mean I *know* I can pull out the stops and work my arse off for extended periods of time but I can't seem to get myself to get into work at 9:30am work till lunch, 45 mins having a sandwich then work till 5:30-6:00pm and still be productive. In fact now I don't think I could do it at all. But I get my work done and people seem to be happy with the quality and how fats it gets delivered so ... shrugs
Re: Conslutancy
Andy Wardley wrote: So without wishing to start another holy war, is it possible to change the mailing list configuration to have a more sensible default Reply-to? rant I have arguments with Leon about this. He usually quotes 'Reply To munging considered harmful' (http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html) but as I keep trying to point out to him this document is bollocks. The main statemests it makes are ... 1) It violates the principle of minimal munging. Well, can't argue against that. Although I think the uses outway the principle. 2) It provides no benefit to the user of a reasonable mailer. What mailer? I use Netscape which amkes it a pain in the arse. But Netscape isn't a decent mailer you'll say. Ok. Pine. Pine has, IIRC a Reply and a 'Reply To All' capability. I believe Mutt is the same? How does non munging help here? 3) It limits a subscriber's freedom to choose how he or she will direct a response. Bollocks. 4) It actually reduces functionality for the user of a reasonable mailer. Bollocks. 5) It removes important information, which can make it impossible to get back to the message sender. Bollocks. 6) It penalizes the person with a reasonable mailer in order to coddle those running brain-dead software. What mailer? Put it this way. How many times are you replying to a list and you actually want to reply to a person individually. 1 in 10? 1 in 50? So non-mungin helps in those cases. Whereas munging helps in the other 9 or 49 depednign on how concillitory you're being. 7) It violates the principle of least work because complicates the procedure for replying to messages. See above. 8) It violates the principle of least surprise because it changes the way a mailer works. Not true. You are in genrral reply-ing to the list. Not to the individual person. 9) It violates the principle of least damage, and it encourages a failure mode that can be extremely embarrassing -- or worse. Hmmm. Fair enough I suppose. But more often I've replied to a mail and then gone back to repost it to the list. 10) Your subscribers don't want you to do it. Or, at least the ones who have bothered to read the docs for their mailer don't want you to do it. Subjective you honour. The prosecution is leading. /rant
Re: What's a perl person then?
Greg Cope wrote: perl person: Hacked a drawing program in 2 hours. other person: That long, oh dear .. perl person: yeah but I was drunk at the time. Oh and it sends mail. And it's written in Latin. And none of the sub routines are actually called. It just sort of guesses which one you want. And it plays music to you depending on what you're drawing. other person: yeah, but two hours? for a one line program? perl person: I suppose so. Fancy a pint? other person: compare! swap! perl person: oh shut up. ;)
Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund
Dave Cross wrote: I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser would, of course, be given a free login on the server. Anyone fancy it? I'll give it a go.
Re: Advice
Dean S Wilson wrote: What kind of low level stuff are you interested in? kernel/device drivers kind of thing or something else entirely? I've been working on compilers, WAP browsers and crypto since I got here. I'd love to have a go working on kernel stuff or device drivers. What I'd really like to do is work on my Flash stuff but nothing's really been forthcoming on that front. Robert Shiels wrote: If possible, move to a good job, not away from a bad one. I think that's some of the best advice anybody's ever given me. Games would be good. But the pay is low (20K pa) - over a grand a month gross less for me which is a change in lifestyle (although it's only recently I wasn't surviving as a student on 10). The games industry is very volatile at the moment - so many different platforms (10 at least) and so many people producing games for them. You work for 2 years on a game by which time the console you're devloping for may not have survived (e.g N64) or the game may do inexplicably badly. On the other hand games give me a hard on so /me sighs
Re: Advice
Redvers Davies wrote: Is that a change in conditions such that you have to give 3 months notice or that you don't have a termination clause such that you sign up on a rolling 3 month contract. I'm coming to the end of my 3 month probabtion period. AFter that, becuase I work for the RnD part of the company I have to give 3 month's notice. Everyone in my department has this and I think it's a fairly standard thing for all RnD (although I may be wrong) and also for Academia (my company was set up by 2 of my ex-lecturers)
Re: Oh! Idea for penderel!
David Cantrell wrote: However, I don't believe it supports some of the more weird DNS entries you can have like HINFO and LOC records. You learn fast young Grasshopper. Oh, wait. You weren't there last night. http://www.2shortplanks.com/simon/ip2ll/2.html
Re: AUTOLOAD speed
Dave Cross wrote: *ui8 = \U18; *ui16 = \UI16; *Word = \UI16; *word = \UI16; That's the ticket. Brain still fried today.
Re: AUTOLOAD speed
Robin Houston wrote:
Although the best solution would (obviously) be to
use Symbol::Approx::Sub with an appropriate matcher :-)
[simon@ns0 simon]$ cat globtest
#!/usr/bin/perl
*foo = \UI;
UI16();
UI32();
SI402();
foo12();
sub UI () {
print $_[0],"\n";
}
sub SI() {
print $_[0],"\n";
}
sub AUTOLOAD
{
my ($name) = $AUTOLOAD;
$name =~ /^[^:]+::([^\d]+)(\d+)/ $1($2);
}
[simon@ns0 simon]$ perl globtest
16
32
402
12
[simon@ns0 simon]$
Re: apologies
Dave Cross wrote: OK. So we're now a speaker down. Anyone want to save the day by stepping in to give a 20 min talk - or do I have to talk about Symbol::Approx::Sub _again_? I could give a talk on either Flash stuff (again, although there's not much else to say ATM that people don't already know) or something on IP - Longtitude and Latitude.
Re: Godzilla
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Wistow wrote: ... it's your birthday [0] Well it's probably not. But it is mine. I'll be drowning my sorrows in Southside bar (south east corner of Princes Gardens, SW7 [1]) from about 6:30pm onwards (or possibly earlier) if anybody wants to buy me a drink. Actually, this could be do-able. How close to South Ken tube is it? Walk up Exhibition Rd passed Nat Hist, VA and Sci. Museum. 5 minutes tops.
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Dave Cross wrote: Well, according to http://80s.koreamusic.net/billboard/1983.html it made number one for one week on 3rd Sept 1983. Number ones on this day .. 5 years ago .. Michael Jackson - 'Earth Song' 10 .. Iron Maiden - 'Take your daughter to the slaughter' 15 .. Pet Shop Boys - ' West End Girls' 20 .. John Lennon - 'Imagine' 24 .. Queen - 'Bohemian Rapsody' other people with birthdays on this day include Paul Young, Susanna Hoffs (of the Bangles), Andy Rourke (bassist with the Smiths), Joan Colins, Al Capone, Anne Bronte, Nevil Shute, Kid Rocks, Shabba Ranks, Eartha Kitt, Ben Franklin and Muhammed Ali. In 1946 the United Nations Security Council held its first meeting but the Gulf War started today in 1991 On Jan 17th in 1995 ther San Fransico earthquake caused 20 billion dollars of damage and exactly a year later more than 6000 people were killed because of an earth quake in Kobe, Japan. In 1997 a court in Ireland granted the first divorce in the Roman Catholic country's history. Not that I have any special interest in today. Sure are a lot of earth quakes though. Simon [barely able to focus on screen : liquid lunch++]
Re: Speaking Japanese (Re: Access Control Lists and Functions)
Dave Cross wrote: The language spoken by the droogs in 'A Clockwork Orange'. Isn't it a pidgin mix of Russian and English?
