Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On 05/03/07, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:10:17 -0500 Dave Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no alternative? Perhaps dropping the resolution in order to get to 16-bit or deeper color depth? There probably is, but as these terminals are used for data entry and creating layouts for a custom high-resolution rip, they are more interested in the resolution rather than colour. The rip is only used for spot colour anyway. Most likely it is vid-ram issue here. The total memory needed is 1280x1024xcolor-depth If the memory for video can not be increased then for higher color depth you can reduce screen resolution for 1024x768 HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:51:31 -0600 Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The screen is fine when you first log in and you can do stuff, which is why I thought it was all good. It appears that adding this line X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 to lts.conf did the trick. Here is my complete lts.conf for anyone who might want to do the same thing: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.5 XSERVER= auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = PS/2 X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/psaux X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS= 3 USE_XFS= N SCREEN_01 = startx X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_HORZSYNC = 60-75 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
There's no alternative? Perhaps dropping the resolution in order to get to 16-bit or deeper color depth? I think if I were doing it, I'd want depth over resolution, but that's just me. I'm just remembering all of the nightmares of the early 1990s when we had to install colormaps for those applications that loved to steal everything out of the system map. Ah, those were the days. On 3/4/07, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:51:31 -0600 Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The screen is fine when you first log in and you can do stuff, which is why I thought it was all good. It appears that adding this line X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 to lts.conf did the trick. Here is my complete lts.conf for anyone who might want to do the same thing: [Default] SERVER = 192.168.0.5 XSERVER= auto X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = PS/2 X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/psaux X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400 X_MOUSE_BUTTONS= 3 USE_XFS= N SCREEN_01 = startx X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 X_HORZSYNC = 60-75 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8 -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:10:17 -0500 Dave Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no alternative? Perhaps dropping the resolution in order to get to 16-bit or deeper color depth? There probably is, but as these terminals are used for data entry and creating layouts for a custom high-resolution rip, they are more interested in the resolution rather than colour. The rip is only used for spot colour anyway. I actually brought one of these terminals home with me the other day, and intend to set it up in my own office for experimenting with. It's tough to play when the client is trying to get work done. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
*snip* How about e.g. the e370 or e90? They definitely will run linux, and neoware sells them preconfigured to flash boot a what looks like a standard desktop, but if they'll PXE boot (something that I cannot tell from their not too technical description) one could presumably (re)image them with LTSP. For LTSP the e90's are overkill. The ones we have are 800 Mhz with 256 MB RAM. Currently we have them running applications locally, but we are into 3 stores (out of our almost 1700) with an LTSP server located at the store, and at those stores, these boxes are being under-utilized. You may be able to negotiate with Neoware to give you a diskless model that will just PXE boot if you like, but you'd probably be just fine for LTSP clients that are cheaper. *snip* Jeremy Young Sr. Programmer/Analyst O'Reilly Auto Parts (417) 862-2674 x1858 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:57:48 -0600 Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:42:52 -0500 Dave Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read some specs for that class of thin clients from NeoWare (the Capio 600 series). You're going to be very lucky to do anything with LTSP on those boxes. It doesn't look like they'll PXE boot, they have very little memory, and they use a compact flash for the little storage they have (32MB?) Looks like they're running WinCE on the box and they're pretty much designed to do RDP, ICA, or some type of VNC client. After much googling, I discovered that shift-F10 gets me into the bios setup if I hit it right after the initial Neoware splash screen goes away. My options in the bios setup are: Network Boot Protocol PXE/RPL Boot Order RomDisable/Int18h/Int19h/PNP-BEV(BBS) So if I set it for PXE boot and Int19h, I should be in business? Is there anything that I need to set or change in my LTSP configuration to make this work? And that's all it took. Shift-F10 to enter the bios setup, set Network Boot Protocol PXE and Boot Order Int19h. F4 to save and reboot and ta-da! Up and running. So that's all it takes to make a Neoware Capio 616 work fine on a LTSP network. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
Sounds like the video card on the 616 isn't fully compatible with whatever X driver you've got installed. Is it using the SVGA driver? It might help to know what video card is actually embedded in those systems. I've also seen graphic cards with low memory available do things like this. Do you know what video resolution they're in? On 3/2/07, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like I spoke too soon here. I just got this email from one of my clients: QUOTE When using Firefox and use the scroll bar on the side it erases part of the screen. Actually it seems to do it every time use the scroll bar with Scribus too. It seems to be a redraw problem it just leaves blank spots on the screen END OF QUOTE Any idea what's wrong and how I could fix this? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:43:42 -0500 Dave Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the video card on the 616 isn't fully compatible with whatever X driver you've got installed. Is it using the SVGA driver? Beats me. Whatever ltsp magically assigned to it is what it got. How would I find out what it assigned? It might help to know what video card is actually embedded in those systems. I've also seen graphic cards with low memory available do things like this. Do you know what video resolution they're in? 1280x1024. The screen is fine when you first log in and you can do stuff, which is why I thought it was all good. I cranked up a desktop, loaded Scribus and printed a file, took a quick look at a website and figured it's running fine and the performance is not bad at all. Off I went, and then this came up just now. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On 03/03/07, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1280x1024. Try 1024x768 and you could also try specifying vesa driver instead of svga HTH -- Regards, Sudev Barar - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Frank Cox wrote: I have a LTSP setup that's working fine using old PC's and floppy boot disks for terminals. I have just acquired a few Neoware Capio 616 terminals and would like to use them instead of the old beater boxes that I have up and running now. I crank up the Neoware terminals and see a few screens of Neoware and then get dumped into what I think is a Windows-something screen or state that I can't do much with, other than move the mouse around a bit and accomplish very little. I have never had any dealings with a real terminal before. What do I need to do to these things to get them to work on my LTSP setup? I don't know, but I am very interested in the reply as well, as we are seriously considering neowares for a project that will start out mostly win, but that I devoutly hope will end up mostly (or entirely) lin. Does anyone know exactly how they boot? Website indicates flash is a possibility, but can one override and PXE-boot? Will linux recognize e.g. their video and keyboard and anything else that they might provide by way of ports? rgb -- Robert G. Brownhttp://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/ Duke University Dept. of Physics, Box 90305 Durham, N.C. 27708-0305 Phone: 1-919-660-2567 Fax: 919-660-2525 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
I just read some specs for that class of thin clients from NeoWare (the Capio 600 series). You're going to be very lucky to do anything with LTSP on those boxes. It doesn't look like they'll PXE boot, they have very little memory, and they use a compact flash for the little storage they have (32MB?) Looks like they're running WinCE on the box and they're pretty much designed to do RDP, ICA, or some type of VNC client. If the xrdp project ever gets a head of steam, you could potentially be able to use them to connect to sessions on your Linux servers. That's probably a ways out though. You'll also not really be using LTSP at that point. On 3/1/07, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a LTSP setup that's working fine using old PC's and floppy boot disks for terminals. I have just acquired a few Neoware Capio 616 terminals and would like to use them instead of the old beater boxes that I have up and running now. I crank up the Neoware terminals and see a few screens of Neoware and then get dumped into what I think is a Windows-something screen or state that I can't do much with, other than move the mouse around a bit and accomplish very little. I have never had any dealings with a real terminal before. What do I need to do to these things to get them to work on my LTSP setup? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Dave Fenwick wrote: I just read some specs for that class of thin clients from NeoWare (the Capio 600 series). You're going to be very lucky to do anything with LTSP on those boxes. It doesn't look like they'll PXE boot, they have very little memory, and they use a compact flash for the little storage they have (32MB?) Looks like they're running WinCE on the box and they're pretty much designed to do RDP, ICA, or some type of VNC client. If the xrdp project ever gets a head of steam, you could potentially be able to use them to connect to sessions on your Linux servers. That's probably a ways out though. You'll also not really be using LTSP at that point. How about e.g. the e370 or e90? They definitely will run linux, and neoware sells them preconfigured to flash boot a what looks like a standard desktop, but if they'll PXE boot (something that I cannot tell from their not too technical description) one could presumably (re)image them with LTSP. They're pretty boxes and not too expensive, and one can get them with a touchscreen. As usual running them as WinXX clients with Office and some remote management capability will double their cost per unit in most environments for software alone (presuming that they are fat enough to RUN Office, which is a bit of a pig, or e.g. Outlook which is more of one) but a resident Lin environment with a remote mounted NFS /usr should give them access to pretty much the entire suite of Linux software in a fat installation, even though they may not be able to run all of it at any given time due to memory limitations. If they won't do this, I guess we can fall back on OTC hardware and build our own thin client, or by a minimally thick client and run it thin. Or I could ask this list -- what professional-class neoware-like thin hardware (where I'd like the actual chassis to be minimal in footprint, smaller than a minitower and ideally small enough to hang behind the monitor or act as its pedestal) do people use in production environments? Stuff one can get 3 year service on, can run rdesktop and Win or just plain PXE boot Lin? rgb On 3/1/07, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a LTSP setup that's working fine using old PC's and floppy boot disks for terminals. I have just acquired a few Neoware Capio 616 terminals and would like to use them instead of the old beater boxes that I have up and running now. I crank up the Neoware terminals and see a few screens of Neoware and then get dumped into what I think is a Windows-something screen or state that I can't do much with, other than move the mouse around a bit and accomplish very little. I have never had any dealings with a real terminal before. What do I need to do to these things to get them to work on my LTSP setup? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Robert G. Brownhttp://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/ Duke University Dept. of Physics, Box 90305 Durham, N.C. 27708-0305 Phone: 1-919-660-2567 Fax: 919-660-2525 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Neoware Capio 616
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:42:52 -0500 Dave Fenwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read some specs for that class of thin clients from NeoWare (the Capio 600 series). You're going to be very lucky to do anything with LTSP on those boxes. It doesn't look like they'll PXE boot, they have very little memory, and they use a compact flash for the little storage they have (32MB?) Looks like they're running WinCE on the box and they're pretty much designed to do RDP, ICA, or some type of VNC client. After much googling, I discovered that shift-F10 gets me into the bios setup if I hit it right after the initial Neoware splash screen goes away. My options in the bios setup are: Network Boot Protocol PXE/RPL Boot Order RomDisable/Int18h/Int19h/PNP-BEV(BBS) So if I set it for PXE boot and Int19h, I should be in business? Is there anything that I need to set or change in my LTSP configuration to make this work? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
