[LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way.
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
It is a tricky issue. She is right to stand up to Linus if she feels this is verbal abuse but I wonder if she should she have tried raising this privately. Worried that Linus might start stepping back and that might result in poorer code in the long run. But then again maybe this is time for that to happen he is mortal after all. On 22 Jul 2013 11:10, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way.
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
First saw this on the Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/16/torvalds_potty_mouty_fight_back/ ) a while back. The knee-jerk reaction is of course one of oh Lord, isn't Linus so full of it! Personally: 1. I think Linus is right. The interests in this OS are HUGE. You can't keep it ticking along using the politeness of committee. Perhaps there are other, better, methods, but we don't know what they are yet. And in this instance he was right. But now look at how we are debating message delivery rather than message! 2. In certain projects, there is that person that is special. Unique. You can work yourself into a lather (because of received democratic sensibilities) but really it's just a fact. Steve Jobs was unique in the Apple story. Linus is unique and special in the Linux story. When you have such people, you learn to accommodate them. To work with them or around them. To eat a little humble pie. Or go away. The exceedingly left-brained may find this hard to swallow, but it is the best way. So in Linus's case, you account for his upbringing, cultural differences, etc., and you shut up and dance. Or go away. I don't think you can do what he does for Linux without being bit of an a***hole. P. On Jul 22, 2013, at 13:08, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way.
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
At that level There are few if any people that are nice You cannot please thousands of people all the time. So you just do it your way until it fails. It still working for Linux so I do not think it will change. Kiggundu On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Paul Bagyenda bagye...@dsmagic.com wrote: First saw this on the Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/16/torvalds_potty_mouty_fight_back/ ) a while back. The knee-jerk reaction is of course one of oh Lord, isn't Linus so full of it! Personally: 1. I think Linus is right. The interests in this OS are HUGE. You can't keep it ticking along using the politeness of committee. Perhaps there are other, better, methods, but we don't know what they are yet. And in this instance he was right. But now look at how we are debating message delivery rather than message! 2. In certain projects, there is that person that is special. Unique. You can work yourself into a lather (because of received democratic sensibilities) but really it's just a fact. Steve Jobs was unique in the Apple story. Linus is unique and special in the Linux story. When you have such people, you learn to accommodate them. To work with them or around them. To eat a little humble pie. Or go away. The exceedingly left-brained may find this hard to swallow, but it is the best way. So in Linus's case, you account for his upbringing, cultural differences, etc., and you shut up and dance. Or go away. I don't think you can do what he does for Linux without being bit of an a***hole. P. On Jul 22, 2013, at 13:08, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. -- Five solae ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way.
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
Don't worry, Billy. Linux likes it rough, both dealing and being dealt. As long as the points are valid and the arguments sound, he won't take offence, and even if they aren't, it'll take more than words to deter him from coding. And even if he were to do *that*, his legacy will live on. We have a lot of good developers hacking away at the kernel, and I'm proud of them all. On 22 July 2013 12:36, billyn...@gmail.com billyn...@gmail.com wrote: It is a tricky issue. She is right to stand up to Linus if she feels this is verbal abuse but I wonder if she should she have tried raising this privately. Worried that Linus might start stepping back and that might result in poorer code in the long run. But then again maybe this is time for that to happen he is mortal after all. On 22 Jul 2013 11:10, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way.
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
If you follow LKML regularly, you'll know that this isn't the first time or last Linus has been rude to developers (anyone remember the furore with Con Kolivas a few years ago?) so it's just a storm in a teacup. Sharp will either go the way of CK and stop contributing, meaning someone else takes over, or it'll blow over and our beloved dictator will keep maintaining the kernel. It would be interesting to see how many would miss Linus if some of the more abrasive high-profile kernel maintainers like Andrew Morton and Alan Cox were to take over maintaining the mainline kernel! P. -- Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. On 22 July 2013 23:09, Benjamin Tayehanpour benja...@sandslott.org wrote: Don't worry, Billy. Linux likes it rough, both dealing and being dealt. As long as the points are valid and the arguments sound, he won't take offence, and even if they aren't, it'll take more than words to deter him from coding. And even if he were to do *that*, his legacy will live on. We have a lot of good developers hacking away at the kernel, and I'm proud of them all. On 22 July 2013 12:36, billyn...@gmail.com billyn...@gmail.com wrote: It is a tricky issue. She is right to stand up to Linus if she feels this is verbal abuse but I wonder if she should she have tried raising this privately. Worried that Linus might start stepping back and that might result in poorer code in the long run. But then again maybe this is time for that to happen he is mortal after all. On 22 Jul 2013 11:10, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way.
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
Oh, and this is fun: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/15/linux_for_workgroups/ The first release candidate of version 3.11 of the Linux kernel has arrived, and to commemorate the occasion, Linux creator Linus Torvalds has given the kernel a new codename and a new, Microsoft-inspired boot logo to match. As of Sunday, Linux kernel 3.11 is officially named Linux for Workgroups, borrowing the moniker Microsoft gave to Windows 3.11, way back in 1993. -- Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. On 22 July 2013 23:55, Peter C. Ndikuwera pnd...@gmail.com wrote: If you follow LKML regularly, you'll know that this isn't the first time or last Linus has been rude to developers (anyone remember the furore with Con Kolivas a few years ago?) so it's just a storm in a teacup. Sharp will either go the way of CK and stop contributing, meaning someone else takes over, or it'll blow over and our beloved dictator will keep maintaining the kernel. It would be interesting to see how many would miss Linus if some of the more abrasive high-profile kernel maintainers like Andrew Morton and Alan Cox were to take over maintaining the mainline kernel! P. -- Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. On 22 July 2013 23:09, Benjamin Tayehanpour benja...@sandslott.orgwrote: Don't worry, Billy. Linux likes it rough, both dealing and being dealt. As long as the points are valid and the arguments sound, he won't take offence, and even if they aren't, it'll take more than words to deter him from coding. And even if he were to do *that*, his legacy will live on. We have a lot of good developers hacking away at the kernel, and I'm proud of them all. On 22 July 2013 12:36, billyn...@gmail.com billyn...@gmail.com wrote: It is a tricky issue. She is right to stand up to Linus if she feels this is verbal abuse but I wonder if she should she have tried raising this privately. Worried that Linus might start stepping back and that might result in poorer code in the long run. But then again maybe this is time for that to happen he is mortal after all. On 22 Jul 2013 11:10, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if
Re: [LUG] why 'hacker' stood up against verbal abuse
I wonder if Microsoft could sue for trademark infringement? :P On 22 July 2013 22:56, Peter C. Ndikuwera pnd...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and this is fun: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/15/linux_for_workgroups/ The first release candidate of version 3.11 of the Linux kernel has arrived, and to commemorate the occasion, Linux creator Linus Torvalds has given the kernel a new codename and a new, Microsoft-inspired boot logo to match. As of Sunday, Linux kernel 3.11 is officially named Linux for Workgroups, borrowing the moniker Microsoft gave to Windows 3.11, way back in 1993. -- Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. On 22 July 2013 23:55, Peter C. Ndikuwera pnd...@gmail.com wrote: If you follow LKML regularly, you'll know that this isn't the first time or last Linus has been rude to developers (anyone remember the furore with Con Kolivas a few years ago?) so it's just a storm in a teacup. Sharp will either go the way of CK and stop contributing, meaning someone else takes over, or it'll blow over and our beloved dictator will keep maintaining the kernel. It would be interesting to see how many would miss Linus if some of the more abrasive high-profile kernel maintainers like Andrew Morton and Alan Cox were to take over maintaining the mainline kernel! P. -- Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. On 22 July 2013 23:09, Benjamin Tayehanpour benja...@sandslott.orgwrote: Don't worry, Billy. Linux likes it rough, both dealing and being dealt. As long as the points are valid and the arguments sound, he won't take offence, and even if they aren't, it'll take more than words to deter him from coding. And even if he were to do *that*, his legacy will live on. We have a lot of good developers hacking away at the kernel, and I'm proud of them all. On 22 July 2013 12:36, billyn...@gmail.com billyn...@gmail.com wrote: It is a tricky issue. She is right to stand up to Linus if she feels this is verbal abuse but I wonder if she should she have tried raising this privately. Worried that Linus might start stepping back and that might result in poorer code in the long run. But then again maybe this is time for that to happen he is mortal after all. On 22 Jul 2013 11:10, joachim Gwoke jowor2...@yahoo.com wrote: Whenever we talk of people being rude here, I still think no one comes close to the issues here http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/22/sarah-sharp. I am not even going to mention the style of the OpenBSD crowd. regards Joachim ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The mailing list host is not responsible for them in any way. ___ The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: LUG@linux.or.ug Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lug@linux.or.ug/ Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug The Uganda LUG mailing
