[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Leipzig II.6.24
Yes, that I already have. Rich and good collection, too! Most pieces in the ms. are anonymous, but concordances to quite a few pieces by Reusner et al can be found. Many pieces are very well composed, some adroitly and to full capacity using the advantages of deviating tunings. I love the music. One peculiarity is that dotted rhythm sign more often than not consist of the dot only, lacking the shaft. Seems to be so that Leipzig has been a very musical city... ;-) I haven't the faintest about the provenance of the ms. Mathias On 08/04/11 01:00, Mathias Roesel wrote: Try Leipzig II.6.24. It's available from Tree as well. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wikla Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. April 2011 21:50 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ms. Leipzig II.6.14 by Tree Edition - great! Dear baroque lutenists, I just got the Tree/Albert R. edition of the Ms. Leipzig II.6.14 facsimile. Beautiful and interesting music, mainly Gallot (the great one! ;-). Also very beautifully written ms. Strongly recommended to every 11 course player! Hard to find better stuff to the instrument. All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] new piece of the month
Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Thanks, Goeran. We have debated on this list before the virtues or otherwise of live performance-type recordings as opposed to perfect commercial CD-type recordings. I don't like to hear blemishes (especially my own!) but at the same time I don't want to spend hours editing out every single one. I usually do a couple of takes and use the best one, sometimes editing particularly gruesome bits - but on the whole my best recordings have been single takes, no edits. If I were actually making a CD I think I would have to do lots of takes and lots of editing, but my main objective with these MP3s is just to share the music and demonstrate the sound of the lutes. I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 11:28, G. Crona wrote: Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] My first lute solo
Dear Êîíñòàíòèí Ùåíèêîâ, Well done for playing Queen Elizabeth's Galliard from memory. Am I right in thinking that you learned the piece from a transcription in staff notation, rather the original tablature? Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Êîíñòàíòèí Ùåíèêîâ Sent: 06 April 2011 17:02 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net Subject: [LUTE] My first lute solo This is my first recording on lute solo. I am guitarist, I play lute 4 months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeNbkf1u1SQ What do you think about it? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Indeed you most successfully have Martin. I should also have added an excellent editor as well as a generous sharer of music and knowledge. In short a compleat lutenist. Cheers! G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month Thanks, Goeran. We have debated on this list before the virtues or otherwise of live performance-type recordings as opposed to perfect commercial CD-type recordings. I don't like to hear blemishes (especially my own!) but at the same time I don't want to spend hours editing out every single one. I usually do a couple of takes and use the best one, sometimes editing particularly gruesome bits - but on the whole my best recordings have been single takes, no edits. If I were actually making a CD I think I would have to do lots of takes and lots of editing, but my main objective with these MP3s is just to share the music and demonstrate the sound of the lutes. I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 11:28, G. Crona wrote: Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Yes, that is very clear Martin. Well done! ed At 05:56 AM 4/8/2011, Martin Shepherd wrote: I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] My first lute solo
Dear Konstantin, Thanks for your message. The reason I thought you might have learned the piece from staff notation is that there is a wrong note (d1 instead of e1) which occurs four times (in bars 8, 16, 21 and 29). It is so easy to mix up accidentals when reading from staff notation - something I do frequently - but it is less likely to occur when reading from tablature. However, more important than these few notes is the overall impression of your performance, which I think is very good, and your phrasing and expression show an innate musicality. Good luck with your lute playing, and I look forward to further clips on YouTube. Best wishes, Stewart. -Original Message- From: Êîíñòàíòèí Ùåíèêîâ [mailto:konstantin.n...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 April 2011 12:15 To: Stewart McCoy Subject: Re: [LUTE] My first lute solo Hi, Stewart! You are partly right. In first time I played this piece on guitar from transcription. Later, when I started playing the lute I played from original tabulature. But the transcription is stuck deep in my memory what confuses me sometime. Konstantin Shchenikov To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Another luthier who is a wonderful player is Andrew Rutherford. Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: [1]www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Nancy Carlin Associates P.O. Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 web sites - [3]www.nancycarlinassociates.com [4]www.groundsanddivisions.info Representing: FROM WALES - Crasdant Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe Jez Lowe The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths Morrongiello Young Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA web site - [5]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org -- References 1. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 4. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 5. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Very beautiful! But I would also very much like to _see_ the player and playing - important part of performance... at least to me. All the best, Arto On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0200, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed you most successfully have Martin. I should also have added an excellent editor as well as a generous sharer of music and knowledge. In short a compleat lutenist. Cheers! G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month Thanks, Goeran. We have debated on this list before the virtues or otherwise of live performance-type recordings as opposed to perfect commercial CD-type recordings. I don't like to hear blemishes (especially my own!) but at the same time I don't want to spend hours editing out every single one. I usually do a couple of takes and use the best one, sometimes editing particularly gruesome bits - but on the whole my best recordings have been single takes, no edits. If I were actually making a CD I think I would have to do lots of takes and lots of editing, but my main objective with these MP3s is just to share the music and demonstrate the sound of the lutes. I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 11:28, G. Crona wrote: Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Very lovely sound and playing, Martin. The difference between a 59cm string length lute and 67cm lute is, perhaps, similar to the difference between a baby grand and a concert grand piano, yes? But for the player, the concert grand keyboard is essentially the same as the baby grand; for the lutenist, long fingers must be a big advantage in playing 67cm! -Ned On Apr 8, 2011, at 5:55 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Thanks, Arto. Yes, I agree video is the thing - I just haven't got the technology sorted out yet. Meanwhile, why not do your own version? Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 18:26, wikla wrote: Very beautiful! But I would also very much like to _see_ the player and playing - important part of performance... at least to me. All the best, Arto On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0200, G. Cronakalei...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed you most successfully have Martin. I should also have added an excellent editor as well as a generous sharer of music and knowledge. In short a compleat lutenist. Cheers! G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherdmar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month Thanks, Goeran. We have debated on this list before the virtues or otherwise of live performance-type recordings as opposed to perfect commercial CD-type recordings. I don't like to hear blemishes (especially my own!) but at the same time I don't want to spend hours editing out every single one. I usually do a couple of takes and use the best one, sometimes editing particularly gruesome bits - but on the whole my best recordings have been single takes, no edits. If I were actually making a CD I think I would have to do lots of takes and lots of editing, but my main objective with these MP3s is just to share the music and demonstrate the sound of the lutes. I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 11:28, G. Crona wrote: Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
On 08/04/2011 21:38, Martin Shepherd wrote: Thanks, Arto. Yes, I agree video is the thing - I just haven't got the technology sorted out yet. Meanwhile, why not do your own version? Best wishes, Martin Very nice gutty playing, Martin. Just to get things in perspective though, roughly how much are the gut basses - e.g. the fourth - seventh courses? I agree that it is interesting to see people actually playing. But performance, I think, is yet another skill as well as actually playing the music as musically as you are able. I suppose you could ignore the performance aspect of performance (body language, composure, movement, maybe eye contact with camera etc etc). But would you really wouldn't want to ignore all that that any more than ignore the musical aspects of the music (i.e.just stolidly sounding the notes)? Another problem is that more a more people are using recording devices and adding a touch of reverb. I think this is really good as most people are just recording at home and not in a beautiful acoustic. But it just looks bizarre to see someone in their living room, sounding like they are in a concert hall. Stuart On 08/04/2011 18:26, wikla wrote: Very beautiful! But I would also very much like to _see_ the player and playing - important part of performance... at least to me. All the best, Arto On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:05:55 +0200, G. Cronakalei...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed you most successfully have Martin. I should also have added an excellent editor as well as a generous sharer of music and knowledge. In short a compleat lutenist. Cheers! G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherdmar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month Thanks, Goeran. We have debated on this list before the virtues or otherwise of live performance-type recordings as opposed to perfect commercial CD-type recordings. I don't like to hear blemishes (especially my own!) but at the same time I don't want to spend hours editing out every single one. I usually do a couple of takes and use the best one, sometimes editing particularly gruesome bits - but on the whole my best recordings have been single takes, no edits. If I were actually making a CD I think I would have to do lots of takes and lots of editing, but my main objective with these MP3s is just to share the music and demonstrate the sound of the lutes. I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 11:28, G. Crona wrote: Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute Listlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Mean-tone, or rather meannasty-tone
Here's Merula's Cappriccio Cromatico played on a mean-tone organ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5_bSrkEFXs It was so insufferable I had to turn it off halfway through. Enjoy, ye MT mavens. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mean-tone, or rather meannasty-tone
On Apr 8, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Here's Merula's Cappriccio Cromatico played on a mean-tone organ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?vÕ_bSrkEFXs It was so insufferable I had to turn it off halfway through. The second half was the best part. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sesquialtera
Sesqui means one and one half. So a sesquipedalian likes words that are a foot and a half long. In a sesquialtera proportion, you want, according to Morley 'three notes are sung to two of the same kinde' and Sesquitertia is when four notes are sung to three of the same kinde And 3/2 is one and one half See also http://www.freefictionbooks.org/books/s/20662-shakespeare-and-music-by-edward-w-naylor?start=14 Now, having said that, there are many exceptions. The direct mathematical proportion is contradicted in sources dating back to the time of Josquin; understandably, musicians wanted leeway in their proportions, and in Mass music proportions were varied to create musical effects. Towards the end of the renaissance you see a blurring of the proportions coinciding with an interest in the theme of transformation in music. But, basically, three notes are sung to two of the same kind, which means those notes will be faster. dt At 09:40 AM 4/8/2011, you wrote: Could anybody share any information about the execution of the sesquialtera? I've been working on a recercare by Spinacino p.40, and I'm still not sure if the execution is correct. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sesquialtera
Hi David, Can the sesquialtera be performed as triplets? In Spinacino there are 6 notes in a bar (duple time). Thanks for the info. 2011/4/9 David Tayler [1]vidan...@sbcglobal.net Sesqui means one and one half. So a sesquipedalian likes words that are a foot and a half long. In a sesquialtera proportion, you want, according to Morley 'three notes are sung to two of the same kinde' and Sesquitertia is when four notes are sung to three of the same kinde And 3/2 is one and one half See also [2]http://www.freefictionbooks.org/books/s/20662-shakespeare-and-mus ic-by-edward-w-naylor?start=14 Now, having said that, there are many exceptions. The direct mathematical proportion is contradicted in sources dating back to the time of Josquin; understandably, musicians wanted leeway in their proportions, and in Mass music proportions were varied to create musical effects. Towards the end of the renaissance you see a blurring of the proportions coinciding with an interest in the theme of transformation in music. But, basically, three notes are sung to two of the same kind, which means those notes will be faster. dt At 09:40 AM 4/8/2011, you wrote: Could anybody share any information about the execution of the sesquialtera? I've been working on a recercare by Spinacino p.40, and I'm still not sure if the execution is correct. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:vidan...@sbcglobal.net 2. http://www.freefictionbooks.org/books/s/20662-shakespeare-and-music-by-edward-w-naylor?start=14 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Very beautiful played Martin. Great lute sound too. Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
