[LUTE] Re: Torah

[Alain Veylit]

I think you are right about the Talmud. My memory of the episode is 
murky as Hell!



On 8/1/19 2:20 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

This is a legend about Charles Valentin Alkan.

I don't really know if it's true though :)

It was probably the Talmud which has enough weight to crush you. No need
for the shelf.



On 01.08.19 23:10, Alain Veylit wrote:

Since Howard mentions the Torah and jeopardy, here is our summer
quiz/jeopardy question:

This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his
private library's (heavy) bookshelf  as he was trying to reach the
Torah on the top shelf?

(High aspirations sometimes get you crushed under the weight...)

Alain


On 8/1/19 1:14 PM, G. C. wrote:

    Ha-ha :))
    Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have 
the

    necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers.
    In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got
    cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years
later
    would surely have been historically correct.
    Best
    G.

    On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner
    <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

  > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  >
  >    Always happy for answers
  And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:
  "It's in his kiss"
  "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars
  Are in the poorest thing superfluous."
  "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"
  "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out."
  "!"
  "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the
  entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn."
  "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this would
  happen"
  No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't
  "Jeopardy!"
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[LUTE] Re: Torah

[Alain Veylit]

   Thanks. The Talmud gets two points. :)

   On 8/1/19 2:21 PM, [1]terli...@aol.com wrote:

   Alkan of course... but I heard it was the Talmud that did him in.

   Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
   Get the new AOL app: [2]mail.mobile.aol.com

   On Thursday, August 1, 2019, Alain
   Veylit [3] wrote:

   Since Howard mentions the Torah and jeopardy, here is our summer

   quiz/jeopardy question:

   This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his

   private library's (heavy) bookshelf  as he was trying to reach the
   Torah

   on the top shelf?

   (High aspirations sometimes get you crushed under the weight...)

   Alain

   On 8/1/19 1:14 PM, G. C. wrote:

   >Ha-ha :))

   >Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have
   the

   >necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers.

   >In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got

   >cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years
   later

   >would surely have been historically correct.

   >Best

   >G.

   >

   >On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner

   ><[1][4]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

   >

   >  > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2][5]kalei...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   >  >

   >  >Always happy for answers

   >  And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:

   >  "It's in his kiss"

   >  "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars

   >  Are in the poorest thing superfluous."

   >  "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"

   >  "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out."

   >  "!"

   >  "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.  This is
   the

   >  entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn."

   >  "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this
   would

   >  happen"

   >  No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't

   >  "Jeopardy!"

   >  To get on or off this list see list information at

   >  [3][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Tristan von Neumann]

I understand, Ron. It's just that other sources use two points for
middle finger if it's meant to be, but of course, there was probably no
standard for that.

From playing Ballard's music, a thumb-in technique feels much more
natural for the passages in question - while other music, for example
some Laurencini pieces feel better using index-middle strokes.

I found myself to be automatically drawn to a certain playing style with
certain music.

Sometimes it doesn't seem historical. But I can't help playing many
Borrono dances with the later technique, it just feels better.



On 02.08.19 02:51, Ron Andrico wrote:

Tristan, while Vallet was very specific about right-hand fingering, I'm
fairly certain there are no indications for thumb-index alternation in
Ballard's music, and it's a leap to think that articulation marks are
specifically tied to right-hand fingering.  Yes, there are right-hand
dots but I remain unconvinced that these single dots are specific to
use of the right-hand index finger.  The dots could just as well simply
indicate weak beats so the reader can keep track for the purpose of
articulation, regardless of which digit is used on the strong beat.

RA
  __

From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
 on behalf of Tristan von
Neumann 
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:26 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style

Robert Ballard seems to have used thumb in though, as the points show.
And that was after Besard and Dowland.
I think the music always suggests thumb-out, if it was supposed to be
played that way.
If you have passages in the upper part accompanied by deep bass, you
automatically use index-middle-finger, because it's easier to play.
Some tablatures seem to even suggest both techniques in one piece.
The same pieces have different fingerings in different sources
sometimes.
On 01.08.19 22:03, Mathias Rösel wrote:
> Well, I've been a member on the list as well. As it seems to me,
all
> authors after 1600 who deal with this subject recommend thumb
out.
> Vallet even ridicules thumb in.
> We'll never know what player actually did, if they complied with
the
> recommendations. Today, research on strings and soundboards
points into
> the same direction: thumb out.
> Everybody is free, if course, to do what they like best.
Everybody has
> been so, ever since. I don't care. And I don't want to listen to
> players who play the baroque lute thumb in, any more.
> my two cents. just an ordinary member
> Mathias
>
__
>
> Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
> --- Original-Nachricht ---
> Von: G. C.
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
> Datum: 01.08.2019, 21:46 Uhr
> An: Lutelist
>
> Eloquently said Ron, as always!
> G.
> tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico
> <[1][2]praelu...@hotmail.com>:
> Relax, Howard. No one is on trial here. Perhaps anathema is a
> less
> apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
> playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes. But for all
> intents and
> purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
> appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.
> That is
> not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet,
> said it
> in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from
> the
> period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very
> much
> out.
> This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable
> soldiers
> of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and
> loudly to
> distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists
> (even to
> the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black
> turtleneck),
> but it is a truth nonetheless. I'll say it here: Based upon the
> body
> of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons
> designed to
> be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be
> played
> with the right-hand thumb out, not under.
> RA
>
__
> From: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> <[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of
howard
> posner
> <[4][5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
> To: Lutelist <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Ron Andrico]

   Tristan, while Vallet was very specific about right-hand fingering, I'm
   fairly certain there are no indications for thumb-index alternation in
   Ballard's music, and it's a leap to think that articulation marks are
   specifically tied to right-hand fingering.  Yes, there are right-hand
   dots but I remain unconvinced that these single dots are specific to
   use of the right-hand index finger.  The dots could just as well simply
   indicate weak beats so the reader can keep track for the purpose of
   articulation, regardless of which digit is used on the strong beat.

   RA
 __

   From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
on behalf of Tristan von
   Neumann 
   Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:26 PM
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style

   Robert Ballard seems to have used thumb in though, as the points show.
   And that was after Besard and Dowland.
   I think the music always suggests thumb-out, if it was supposed to be
   played that way.
   If you have passages in the upper part accompanied by deep bass, you
   automatically use index-middle-finger, because it's easier to play.
   Some tablatures seem to even suggest both techniques in one piece.
   The same pieces have different fingerings in different sources
   sometimes.
   On 01.08.19 22:03, Mathias Rösel wrote:
   > Well, I've been a member on the list as well. As it seems to me,
   all
   > authors after 1600 who deal with this subject recommend thumb
   out.
   > Vallet even ridicules thumb in.
   > We'll never know what player actually did, if they complied with
   the
   > recommendations. Today, research on strings and soundboards
   points into
   > the same direction: thumb out.
   > Everybody is free, if course, to do what they like best.
   Everybody has
   > been so, ever since. I don't care. And I don't want to listen to
   > players who play the baroque lute thumb in, any more.
   > my two cents. just an ordinary member
   > Mathias
   >
   __
   >
   > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
   > --- Original-Nachricht ---
   > Von: G. C.
   > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
   > Datum: 01.08.2019, 21:46 Uhr
   > An: Lutelist
   >
   > Eloquently said Ron, as always!
   > G.
   > tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico
   > <[1][2]praelu...@hotmail.com>:
   > Relax, Howard. No one is on trial here. Perhaps anathema is a
   > less
   > apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
   > playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes. But for all
   > intents and
   > purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
   > appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.
   > That is
   > not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet,
   > said it
   > in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from
   > the
   > period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very
   > much
   > out.
   > This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable
   > soldiers
   > of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and
   > loudly to
   > distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists
   > (even to
   > the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black
   > turtleneck),
   > but it is a truth nonetheless. I'll say it here: Based upon the
   > body
   > of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons
   > designed to
   > be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be
   > played
   > with the right-hand thumb out, not under.
   > RA
   >
   __
   > From: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   > <[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of
   howard
   > posner
   > <[4][5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
   > To: Lutelist <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
   > I'm not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that
   > thumb-in is
   > anathema on the d-minor lute. But I could easily have missed
   > it, or
   > deleted it and forgotten about it. I tend not to waste time
   > dealing
   > with categorical statements about how every player in history
   > played
   > the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here
   > in the
   > last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the
   > way
   > every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy
   > writing
   > (or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.
   >   

[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[John Mardinly]

   Paul Odette was inspired by Julian Bream. One played thumb out, the
   other played thumb under. Both got excellent results. That is what
   matters the most.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Classical Guitarist/Lutenist

   On Aug 1, 2019, at 1:03 PM, Mathias Rösel
   <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:

 Well, I've been a member on the list as well. As it seems to me, all
 authors after 1600 who deal with this subject recommend thumb out.
 Vallet even ridicules thumb in.
 We'll never know what player actually did, if they complied with the
 recommendations. Today, research on strings and soundboards points
   into
 the same direction: thumb out.
 Everybody is free, if course, to do what they like best. Everybody
   has
 been so, ever since. I don't care. And I don't want to listen to
 players who play the baroque lute thumb in, any more.
 my two cents. just an ordinary member
 Mathias
   __
 Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
 --- Original-Nachricht ---
 Von: G. C.
 Betreff: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
 Datum: 01.08.2019, 21:46 Uhr
 An: Lutelist
 Eloquently said Ron, as always!
 G.
 tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico
 <[1][2][2]praelu...@hotmail.com>:
 Relax, Howard. No one is on trial here. Perhaps anathema is a
 less
 apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
 playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes. But for all
 intents and
 purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
 appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.
 That is
 not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet,
 said it
 in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from
 the
 period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very
 much
 out.
 This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable
 soldiers
 of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and
 loudly to
 distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists
 (even to
 the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black
 turtleneck),
 but it is a truth nonetheless. I'll say it here: Based upon the
 body
 of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons
 designed to
 be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be
 played
 with the right-hand thumb out, not under.
 RA
 __
 From: [2][3][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
 <[3][4][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard
 posner
 <[4][5][5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
 Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
 To: Lutelist <[5][6][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
 I'm not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that
 thumb-in is
 anathema on the d-minor lute. But I could easily have missed
 it, or
 deleted it and forgotten about it. I tend not to waste time
 dealing
 with categorical statements about how every player in history
 played
 the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here
 in the
 last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the
 way
 every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy
 writing
 (or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.

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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Tristan von Neumann]

Robert Ballard seems to have used thumb in though, as the points show.

And that was after Besard and Dowland.

I think the music always suggests thumb-out, if it was supposed to be
played that way.

If you have passages in the upper part accompanied by deep bass, you
automatically use index-middle-finger, because it's easier to play.

Some tablatures seem to even suggest both techniques in one piece.

The same pieces have different fingerings in different sources sometimes.



On 01.08.19 22:03, Mathias Rösel wrote:

Well, I've been a member on the list as well. As it seems to me, all
authors after 1600 who deal with this subject recommend thumb out.
Vallet even ridicules thumb in.
We'll never know what player actually did, if they complied with the
recommendations. Today, research on strings and soundboards points into
the same direction: thumb out.
Everybody is free, if course, to do what they like best. Everybody has
been so, ever since. I don't care. And I don't want to listen to
players who play the baroque lute thumb in, any more.
my two cents. just an ordinary member
Mathias
  __

Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App
--- Original-Nachricht ---
Von: G. C.
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
Datum: 01.08.2019, 21:46 Uhr
An: Lutelist

Eloquently said Ron, as always!
G.
tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico
<[1][2]praelu...@hotmail.com>:
Relax, Howard. No one is on trial here. Perhaps anathema is a
less
apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes. But for all
intents and
purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.
That is
not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet,
said it
in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from
the
period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very
much
out.
This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable
soldiers
of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and
loudly to
distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists
(even to
the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black
turtleneck),
but it is a truth nonetheless. I'll say it here: Based upon the
body
of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons
designed to
be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be
played
with the right-hand thumb out, not under.
RA
__
From: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
<[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard
posner
<[4][5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
To: Lutelist <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
I'm not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that
thumb-in is
anathema on the d-minor lute. But I could easily have missed
it, or
deleted it and forgotten about it. I tend not to waste time
dealing
with categorical statements about how every player in history
played
the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here
in the
last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the
way
every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy
writing
(or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM, G. C. <[6][7]kalei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> People on this list f. ex.?
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[LUTE] Re: Torah

[howard posner]

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Alain Veylit  wrote:
> 
> This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his 
> private library's (heavy) bookshelf  as he was trying to reach the Torah on 
> the top shelf?

Not to be a killjoy, but:

"He remained a strict member of the Jewish faith in which he had been brought 
up, and was widely read in classical and biblical lore. This may account for 
the story, which seems to have no basis of truth, that he died under a 
collapsed bookcase; de Bertha’s account of his death mentions no such incident.

--Hugh McDonald in Grove




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[LUTE] Re: Torah

[Tristan von Neumann]

This is a legend about Charles Valentin Alkan.

I don't really know if it's true though :)

It was probably the Talmud which has enough weight to crush you. No need
for the shelf.



On 01.08.19 23:10, Alain Veylit wrote:

Since Howard mentions the Torah and jeopardy, here is our summer
quiz/jeopardy question:

This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his
private library's (heavy) bookshelf  as he was trying to reach the
Torah on the top shelf?

(High aspirations sometimes get you crushed under the weight...)

Alain


On 8/1/19 1:14 PM, G. C. wrote:

    Ha-ha :))
    Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have the
    necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers.
    In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got
    cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years
later
    would surely have been historically correct.
    Best
    G.

    On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner
    <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

  > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  >
  >    Always happy for answers
  And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:
  "It's in his kiss"
  "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars
  Are in the poorest thing superfluous."
  "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"
  "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out."
  "!"
  "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. This is the
  entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn."
  "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this would
  happen"
  No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't
  "Jeopardy!"
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[LUTE] Re: Torah

[terlizzi]

   Alkan of course... but I heard it was the Talmud that did him in.

   Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
   Get the new AOL app: [1]mail.mobile.aol.com

   On Thursday, August 1, 2019, Alain
   Veylit  wrote:

   Since Howard mentions the Torah and jeopardy, here is our summer

   quiz/jeopardy question:

   This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his

   private library's (heavy) bookshelf  as he was trying to reach the
   Torah

   on the top shelf?

   (High aspirations sometimes get you crushed under the weight...)

   Alain

   On 8/1/19 1:14 PM, G. C. wrote:

   >Ha-ha :))

   >Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have
   the

   >necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers.

   >In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got

   >cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years
   later

   >would surely have been historically correct.

   >Best

   >G.

   >

   >On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner

   ><[1][2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

   >

   >  > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2][3]kalei...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   >  >

   >  >Always happy for answers

   >  And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:

   >  "It's in his kiss"

   >  "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars

   >  Are in the poorest thing superfluous."

   >  "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"

   >  "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out."

   >  "!"

   >  "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.  This is
   the

   >  entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn."

   >  "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this
   would

   >  happen"

   >  No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't

   >  "Jeopardy!"

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[LUTE] Re: Torah

[Alain Veylit]

Since Howard mentions the Torah and jeopardy, here is our summer 
quiz/jeopardy question:


This 19th century pianist and composer died crushed by the fall of his 
private library's (heavy) bookshelf  as he was trying to reach the Torah 
on the top shelf?


(High aspirations sometimes get you crushed under the weight...)

Alain


On 8/1/19 1:14 PM, G. C. wrote:

Ha-ha :))
Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have the
necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers.
In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got
cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years later
would surely have been historically correct.
Best
G.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner
<[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

  > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >Always happy for answers
  And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:
  "It's in his kiss"
  "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars
  Are in the poorest thing superfluous."
  "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"
  "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out."
  "!"
  "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.   This is the
  entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn."
  "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this would
  happen"
  No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't
  "Jeopardy!"
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[howard posner]

OK, I stand corrected.

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:18 AM, howard posner  wrote:
> 
> I’m not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that thumb-in is 
> anathema on the d-minor lute. 




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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[G. C.]

   Ha-ha :))
   Way too rich for my intelligence Howard. I'm afraid I don't have the
   necessary "anglican" baggage to get those answers.
   In another vein, the 50th aniversary of the Woodstock festival got
   cancelled! I don't mind about Miley Cyrus, but Santana 50 years later
   would surely have been historically correct.
   Best
   G.

   On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 10:04 PM howard posner
   <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

 > On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >Always happy for answers
 And I'm happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:
 "It's in his kiss"
 "O, reason not the need: our basest beggars
 Are in the poorest thing superfluous."
 "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"
 "Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out."
 "!"
 "What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.   This is the
 entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go learn."
 "I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this would
 happen"
 No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn't
 "Jeopardy!"
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 [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Mathias Rösel]

   Well, I've been a member on the list as well. As it seems to me, all
   authors after 1600 who deal with this subject recommend thumb out.
   Vallet even ridicules thumb in.
   We'll never know what player actually did, if they complied with the
   recommendations. Today, research on strings and soundboards points into
   the same direction: thumb out.
   Everybody is free, if course, to do what they like best. Everybody has
   been so, ever since. I don't care. And I don't want to listen to
   players who play the baroque lute thumb in, any more.
   my two cents. just an ordinary member
   Mathias
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   --- Original-Nachricht ---
   Von: G. C.
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
   Datum: 01.08.2019, 21:46 Uhr
   An: Lutelist

   Eloquently said Ron, as always!
   G.
   tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico
   <[1][2]praelu...@hotmail.com>:
   Relax, Howard. No one is on trial here. Perhaps anathema is a
   less
   apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
   playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes. But for all
   intents and
   purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
   appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.
   That is
   not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet,
   said it
   in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from
   the
   period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very
   much
   out.
   This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable
   soldiers
   of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and
   loudly to
   distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists
   (even to
   the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black
   turtleneck),
   but it is a truth nonetheless. I'll say it here: Based upon the
   body
   of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons
   designed to
   be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be
   played
   with the right-hand thumb out, not under.
   RA
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   From: [2][3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
   <[3][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard
   posner
   <[4][5]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
   To: Lutelist <[5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
   I'm not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that
   thumb-in is
   anathema on the d-minor lute. But I could easily have missed
   it, or
   deleted it and forgotten about it. I tend not to waste time
   dealing
   with categorical statements about how every player in history
   played
   the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here
   in the
   last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the
   way
   every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy
   writing
   (or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.
   > On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM, G. C. <[6][7]kalei...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > People on this list f. ex.?
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[howard posner]

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:42 AM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   Always happy for answers

And I’m happy to oblige with some of my favorite answers:  

“It’s in his kiss”

"O, reason not the need: our basest beggars
Are in the poorest thing superfluous."

“Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh"

"Put a piece of cheese on the floor and you'll find out.”

“!”

“What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.  This is the entire Torah; 
the rest is commentary. Go learn.”

“I knew if I stayed around long enough, something like this would happen”

No prizes will be awarded for knowing the questions; this isn’t “Jeopardy!”








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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[G. C.]

   Eloquently said Ron, as always!

   G.

   tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 21.28 skrev Ron Andrico
   <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>:

Relax, Howard.   No one is on trial here.   Perhaps anathema is a
 less
apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes.   But for all
 intents and
purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.
 That is
not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet,
 said it
in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from
 the
period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very
 much
out.
This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable
 soldiers
of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and
 loudly to
distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists
 (even to
the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black
 turtleneck),
but it is a truth nonetheless.   I'll say it here: Based upon the
 body
of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons
 designed to
be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be
 played
with the right-hand thumb out, not under.
RA

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<[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard
 posner
<[4]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
To: Lutelist <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style
I'm not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that
 thumb-in is
anathema on the d-minor lute.   But I could easily have missed
 it, or
deleted it and forgotten about it.   I tend not to waste time
 dealing
with categorical statements about how every player in history
 played
the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here
 in the
last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the
 way
every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy
 writing
(or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM, G. C. <[6]kalei...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
>
>   People on this list f. ex.?
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Ron Andrico]

   Relax, Howard.  No one is on trial here.  Perhaps anathema is a less
   apt choice to describe alternatives to a right-hand position for
   playing post-1600 repertory on proper lutes.  But for all intents and
   purposes, thumb-under technique is certainly not an historically
   appropriate right-hand position for what we call baroque lute.  That is
   not to say it was never used, but Besard (Dowland) and Vallet, said it
   in print, and there are countless pictorial representations from the
   period that strongly suggest the right-hand thumb was very, very much
   out.

   This is a difficult truth to countenance for all those notable soldiers
   of the famous 1970s thumb-under brigade, who fought long and loudly to
   distinguish themselves from lute-dabbling classical guitarists (even to
   the point of eschewing the wearing of the ceremonial black turtleneck),
   but it is a truth nonetheless.  I'll say it here: Based upon the body
   of surviving evidence from the period, lutes with diapasons designed to
   be used for post-1600 music were historically intended to be played
   with the right-hand thumb out, not under.

   RA
 __

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on behalf of howard posner
   
   Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:18 PM
   To: Lutelist 
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: RH folk style

   I’m not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that thumb-in is
   anathema on the d-minor lute.  But I could easily have missed it, or
   deleted it and forgotten about it.  I tend not to waste time dealing
   with categorical statements about how every player in history played
   the same way. And if, by chance, I've ever written anything here in the
   last 25 years that sounds like a categorical statement about the way
   every player, ever, played the same way, chalk it up to sloppy writing
   (or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.
   > On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM, G. C.  wrote:
   >
   >  People on this list f. ex.?
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[G. C.]

   I don't play the baroque lute myself, and don't have any interest in
   maintaining or propagating any "written in stone" statements about
   playing styles, string materials, hip or not hip, nails, temperaments
   or whatever. On the contrary, I'm for a "free for all" in this respect.
   On the other hand, I'm a member on this list, because there is such a
   vast knowledge to be found among its members when it comes to anything
   plucked and especially the search for answers concerning how it was
   done originally. In this context, I'm quite certain, that the thumb-in,
   thumb-out discussions when it comes to baroque lute playing have been
   numerous here throughout the years. Not wanting to open any can of
   worms, it still seems logical, that due to the greater width on a BL,
   thumb out looks like the right procedure for this instrument.   I think
   Dowland even had a say. Runs are of course another matter, and one
   certainly doesn't exclude the other.

   Always happy for answers

   G.

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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[howard posner]

I’m not aware of anyone on this stating categorically that thumb-in is anathema 
on the d-minor lute.  But I could easily have missed it, or deleted it and 
forgotten about it.  I tend not to waste time dealing with categorical 
statements about how every player in history played the same way. And if, by 
chance, I've ever written anything here in the last 25 years that sounds like a 
categorical statement about the way every player, ever, played the same way, 
chalk it up to sloppy writing (or thinking), delete it, and forget about it.

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>  People on this list f. ex.?




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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[G. C.]

   People on this list f. ex.?

   G.

   tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 18.20 skrev howard posner
   <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>:

 > On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:17 AM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema?
 Considered by whom?

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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[howard posner]

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:17 AM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema?

Considered by whom? 



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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Mathias Rösel]

   It is, indeed, although many a baroque lutenist isn't exactly religious
   about it.
   Mathias
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   I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema?
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[G. C.]

   I thought thumb in on baroque lute was considered anathema?

   G.

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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Ron Andrico]

   I saw that video yesterday as well, and Joan Baez stated herself that
   it wasn't a very good song, but the subject matter was relevant -
   pointed commetary about a very nasty man.  She seemed to be wearing
   plastic fingerpicks and was capoed up to play in G position but sound
   in the key of C.  I think it was a great deal of unnecessary effort to
   avoid an awkward chord but I completely understand the compromises we
   must make at times.

   It's an interesting observation that many of my newbie guitar students
   hold their right hands in a very natural thumb-under position, which I
   don't discourage unless they wish to gravitate toward classical rep.  I
   am firm in the belief that historical lute players held their hands in
   a comfortable natural position and did not stress themselves about
   potential criticism from snarky people cloaked behind curtains and
   lurking in the shrubberies to point out that they are doing it wrong.
   In fact, the iconography bears out this assumption.

   We still suffer today from the disagreements of the 1970s when some
   classical guitarists gravitated towards playing the lute and identified
   themselves as unique by snarking at other classical guitarists who
   didn't wish to change their hand position.  These individuals are still
   around and the matter hangs in the air like a stale fart.  Players from
   circa 1500 did not have this problem.  I'm not a classical guitarist
   and I don't have this problem.

   RA
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on behalf of Leonard Williams
   
   Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 2:45 PM
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Subject: [LUTE] RH folk style

  I recently viewed a video of Joan Baez on guitar.  Finger picks, but
  with a slightly modified thumb-in and pinky firmly anchored on the
  soundboard. (Good political protest song, BTW.)
  Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[Roland Hayes]

   I play lots of finger pick blues and the technique is very similar to
   baroque lute technique. I use fingerpicks to avoid getting calluses on
   the right hand. And keep the pinky on the top. Works!
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   Subject: [LUTE] RH folk style

  I recently viewed a video of Joan Baez on guitar.  Finger picks, but
  with a slightly modified thumb-in and pinky firmly anchored on the
  soundboard. (Good political protest song, BTW.)
  Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: RH folk style

[G. C.]

   Many guitarists have adopted some kind of thumb in playing style. Mark
   Knopfler and Jeff Beck come to mind.

   G.

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[LUTE] RH folk style

[Leonard Williams]

   I recently viewed a video of Joan Baez on guitar.  Finger picks, but
   with a slightly modified thumb-in and pinky firmly anchored on the
   soundboard. (Good political protest song, BTW.)
   Leonard Williams

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[LUTE] Re: octave strings

[Miles Dempster]

It was probably not Michael SchaefferI in his recording Die Barocklaute III, as 
far as I can tell he does not use octave stringing at all on his diapasons.


Miles




> On Jul 31, 2019, at 6:42 PM, Christopher Stetson 
>  wrote:
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>   Hi, all.
>   I remember being told some time ago, by someone who should have known,
>   that one of the early German greats (Gerwig, Schaeffer, or Dombois, but
>   I think Gerwig) used that stringing, but I both can't remember and
>   don't know if it was from historical precedent (I doubt it) or simple
>   personal preference (probably, as Jean-Marie posits above).   It's not
>   that long ago, I suspect someone will remember, or will be able and
>   interested enough to figure it out from recordings.
>   Best, and keep playing.
>   Chris.
> 
>   On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Mathias Rösel
>   <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > wrote:
> 
>Seems to be like on the baroque guitar. Never done that on a
> lute.
>Mathias
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>Anyone tried this method of octave string placement?
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