[LUTE] Re: Eijsertt
Just for the record, I was the one who talked John Ward into restructuring his Dowland Miscellany so it included all those appendices (of which, as it happens, ran the alphabet A to Z). As originally submitted, some of John’s footnotes ran to several pages of typescript. In a journal accustomed to footnotes actually being at the bottom of the page, this created numerous editorial and layout challenges. Over lunch one day when he was visiting the west coast, I managed to talk him into the logic of separating his main text, complete with its detailed “Index of the Works” from the supporting material. I’m glad he listened to his editor. Even then, John would call me every few days excited about fresh, new tidbits in information he had discovered. Peter Danner, Editor of JLSA from 1975 — 1982 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: David Buck's article
You can get that (and any other articles from the LSA Quarterly or Journal from me 2 ways. I can sell you a pdf of that Journal for $10, or a paper copy (if we still have one) for $10 plus postage. Or you can join the LSA (via our website) at the new member rate $40 and then every issue of the Quarterly and Journal will be available to you, plus our Digital Facsimiles Collection. You can email me at lsaq.edi...@gmail.com Nancy Carlin Dear members of the baroque lute list I'm new here, but if I get help, I would be very thankful. I need this article: Buch, David, Texture in French Baroque Lute Music and Related Ensemble Repertoires. „Journal of the Lute Society of America", IX-X (1986-87), 120-54. I can't find it anywhere on the Internet and my library haven't got it either but anyway it is still closed because of pandemic. Does somebody have pdf or could tell me where can I get this from? Thank you in advance. Best wishes for all of you! Marianna Kowal __ [1]Avast logo Ta wiadomość została sprawdzona na obecność wirusów przez oprogramowanie antywirusowe Avast. [2]www.avast.com -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.avast.com/antivirus 2. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Hidden links: 4. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L310-6218TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[BAROQUE-LUTE] David Buck's article
Dear members of the baroque lute list I'm new here, but if I get help, I would be very thankful. I need this article: Buch, David, Texture in French Baroque Lute Music and Related Ensemble Repertoires. âJournal of the Lute Society of America", IX-X (1986-87), 120-54. I can't find it anywhere on the Internet and my library haven't got it either but anyway it is still closed because of pandemic. Does somebody have pdf or could tell me where can I get this from? Thank you in advance. Best wishes for all of you! Marianna Kowal __ [1]Avast logo Ta wiadomoÅÄ zostaÅa sprawdzona na obecnoÅÄ wirusów przez oprogramowanie antywirusowe Avast. [2]www.avast.com -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.avast.com/antivirus 2. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Hidden links: 4. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L310-6218TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
Bravo! I tried looking for the Klima inventory but it seems to be lost among my papers. -Original Message- From: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 11:53 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert I wrote in my earlier message that "The chords in those parts seem to differ from the harmony of the original pieces." I was thinking the intabulation of Quem vidistis when I wrote that. Now it makes sense. In that particular piece the red ink probably indicates a lute tuned a whole tone lower. magnus andersson kirjoitti 24.8.2020 klo 11.21: >Dear all, >As one can see, none of the dance pieces are written with two different >types of ink. >I initially thought that they indicate a different tuned instrument, as >in >Hassler à ´s "Omnes Gentes", 9v. >Bar 8. >2nd Choir sings alone, ink goes red. >This is for a lute tuned a whole tone lower than the lute in "normal" >ink. >But, looking at the piece "Lieto Godea" by Gabrieli, on 80v. the ink >just indicates a different >choir and not a different tuned instrument. Perhaps Michael Eysertt >played this music >with a student friend, reading from the same page? As the duets later >in the book show, >where the second parts are written upside down, it is clear that the >book was used by two lutenists to some extent. >Best, >Magnus > To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
I wrote in my earlier message that "The chords in those parts seem to differ from the harmony of the original pieces." I was thinking the intabulation of Quem vidistis when I wrote that. Now it makes sense. In that particular piece the red ink probably indicates a lute tuned a whole tone lower. magnus andersson kirjoitti 24.8.2020 klo 11.21: Dear all, As one can see, none of the dance pieces are written with two different types of ink. I initially thought that they indicate a different tuned instrument, as in Hassler ´s "Omnes Gentes", 9v. Bar 8. 2nd Choir sings alone, ink goes red. This is for a lute tuned a whole tone lower than the lute in "normal" ink. But, looking at the piece "Lieto Godea" by Gabrieli, on 80v. the ink just indicates a different choir and not a different tuned instrument. Perhaps Michael Eysertt played this music with a student friend, reading from the same page? As the duets later in the book show, where the second parts are written upside down, it is clear that the book was used by two lutenists to some extent. Best, Magnus To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Thank you so much Wayne. Both lute list and your webpage have been a great help for me. I discovered your webpage as a new emigrant to Canada in nineties. I could not take my lute tabulatures from Poland: they were too heavy, and there were a lot of side trips along the way. I just had my basic bagpack, lute and guitar. So music on your webpage was just like heaven for me. Many, many thanks and best wishes for the future, Magdalena Tomsinska __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Wayne Sent: August 22, 2020 3:04 PM To: lute net Subject: [LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I donât recommend that someone else try to use it. I donât know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
Thanks Matthew, Mrs. Minkoff did some strange things in her facsimile editions, as valuable as they have become. She probably did not understand the reason for the red ciphers. In one instance she removed the fingering dots. I recall a lute conference at which Robert Spencer spoke angrily about such "cleaning" of tablature. Sylvia was present. Thereafter she became more cautious. (A magnificently noble lady! We owe her for so much.) Regards, Arthur. -Original Message- From: Matthew Daillie To: Arthur Ness Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 4:48 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert That was in prints of vihuela music, notably Milan (which is why Minkoff's B facsimile of his music was flawed, unlike the more recent colour facsimile published by the Sociedad de la Vihuela). Best, Matthew > On Aug 24, 2020, at 00:12, Arthur Ness <[1]arthurjn...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > Someone (Petrucci??? or Spanish?) published tablatures with single line > in red. That was for the voice to sing to the lute. Both reading from > the tablature! To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:arthurjn...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Such a great job! Thanks Wayne for all these years of efforts without any rest. Have a nice retirement. All the best for you, we will miss this list. Isabelle. Le sam. 22 août 2020 à 21:36, Richard Brook <[1]richa...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> a écrit : Also a big thanks Wayne. Yeoperson work. Dick > On Aug 22, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Arto Wikla <[2]wi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > Big thanks to you for your valuable work of decades!! > > Arto > > On 22.8.2020 22.04, Wayne wrote: >> Hi - >> >> I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. >> >> If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. >> >>Wayne >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- References 1. mailto:richa...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:wi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Eijsertt
For a few concordances see Ward's famous A DOWLAND MISCELLANY appendix S (Ward loved appendices and footnotes that were longer then the text) pp. 138-139 Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
Dear Rainer, dear all, there is nothing of that in the copies I have from Klima's introduction to his "Themenverzeichnis". Best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert Datum: 2020-08-24T09:40:51+0200 Von: "Rainer" An: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" In Eysert or the Linzer Lautenbuch in some pieces whole bars or groups of bars are in red - very strange. Perhaps we can find something in: Josef Klima, Das Lautenbuch des Michael Eysert, Norimbergensis (vor 1600): das "Linzer Lautenbuch" : Original im Oberösterreichischen Landesarchiv : Themenverzeichnis Wiener Lautenarchiv Publisher J. Klima, 1977 Unfortunately this is not available here at the university library nor at JSTOR: Rainer Am 24.08.2020 um 01:50 schrieb Leonard Williams: > In Mudarra's third book of Tres Libros there are a couple of pieces > where he picks out the vocal line with apostrophes in the tablature. > Could the Eysert red notes be similar in intent? (Would the player be > singing, or might the singer be a tab reader?) > Leonard Williams > -Original Message- > From: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 6:04 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert > Maybe they are used to show where the intabulation does not follow the > original vocal model? The chords in those parts seem to differ from the > harmony of the original pieces. > Sarge Gerbode kirjoitti 23.8.2020 klo 20.22: > > After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I > > realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were > > faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am > > wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can > do > > red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? > > > > --Sarge > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
That was in prints of vihuela music, notably Milan (which is why Minkoff’s B facsimile of his music was flawed, unlike the more recent colour facsimile published by the Sociedad de la Vihuela). Best, Matthew > On Aug 24, 2020, at 00:12, Arthur Ness > wrote: > > Someone (Petrucci??? or Spanish?) published tablatures with single line > in red. That was for the voice to sing to the lute. Both reading from > the tablature! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
Dear all, As one can see, none of the dance pieces are written with two different types of ink. I initially thought that they indicate a different tuned instrument, as in Hassler ´s "Omnes Gentes", 9v. Bar 8. 2nd Choir sings alone, ink goes red. This is for a lute tuned a whole tone lower than the lute in "normal" ink. But, looking at the piece "Lieto Godea" by Gabrieli, on 80v. the ink just indicates a different choir and not a different tuned instrument. Perhaps Michael Eysertt played this music with a student friend, reading from the same page? As the duets later in the book show, where the second parts are written upside down, it is clear that the book was used by two lutenists to some extent. Best, Magnus On Monday, August 24, 2020, 9:39:46 AM GMT+2, Rainer wrote: In Eysert or the Linzer Lautenbuch in some pieces whole bars or groups of bars are in red - very strange. Perhaps we can find something in: Josef Klima, Das Lautenbuch des Michael Eysert, Norimbergensis (vor 1600): das "Linzer Lautenbuch" : Original im Oberösterreichischen Landesarchiv : Themenverzeichnis Wiener Lautenarchiv Publisher J. Klima, 1977 Unfortunately this is not available here at the university library nor at JSTOR: Rainer Am 24.08.2020 um 01:50 schrieb Leonard Williams: >In Mudarra's third book of Tres Libros there are a couple of pieces >where he picks out the vocal line with apostrophes in the tablature. >Could the Eysert red notes be similar in intent? (Would the player be >singing, or might the singer be a tab reader?) >Leonard Williams >-Original Message- >From: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <[1]jlaju...@gmail.com> >To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 6:04 pm >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert >Maybe they are used to show where the intabulation does not follow the >original vocal model? The chords in those parts seem to differ from the >harmony of the original pieces. >Sarge Gerbode kirjoitti 23.8.2020 klo 20.22: >> After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I >> realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were >> faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am >> wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can >do >> red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? >> >> --Sarge >To get on or off this list see list information at >[1][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- > > References > >1. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:jlaju...@gmail.com 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon
Hi Wayne, sad to hear the lute list retires. It is not too much to say: the lute list has been quite a big part of my life so far. Over a very long period I had the pleasure to correspond about my faourite topic with very educated people from around the world. Many friendships developed. Some on and off topic discussion still remain vivid in my memory. I hope the list will continue somehow although different digital forms of communication seem to have replaced some of it's function. They will never get the special charme of this list, though. Your lute page has been my first source in the internet when searching lute related information. Thank you for all what you done to the lute world so far and enjoy your retirement! All the best Thomas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
In Eysert or the Linzer Lautenbuch in some pieces whole bars or groups of bars are in red - very strange. Perhaps we can find something in: Josef Klima, Das Lautenbuch des Michael Eysert, Norimbergensis (vor 1600): das "Linzer Lautenbuch" : Original im Oberösterreichischen Landesarchiv : Themenverzeichnis Wiener Lautenarchiv Publisher J. Klima, 1977 Unfortunately this is not available here at the university library nor at JSTOR: Rainer Am 24.08.2020 um 01:50 schrieb Leonard Williams: In Mudarra's third book of Tres Libros there are a couple of pieces where he picks out the vocal line with apostrophes in the tablature. Could the Eysert red notes be similar in intent? (Would the player be singing, or might the singer be a tab reader?) Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 6:04 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert Maybe they are used to show where the intabulation does not follow the original vocal model? The chords in those parts seem to differ from the harmony of the original pieces. Sarge Gerbode kirjoitti 23.8.2020 klo 20.22: > After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I > realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were > faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am > wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do > red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? > > --Sarge To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
