[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes
- Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Well, I wouldn't buy a twelve pointer to play that boring stuff :-) So IYV Baron=Boring? G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
I believe the consensus today to be separate publications. One could take Jan W. J. Burgers' Tree edition of Cutting as an example. G. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
I mean, they could be in one volume of course, but separate. Tablature together and transcriptions behind. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute publications
Anthony, as I understand it now, I would suggest the following. Make one volume with the original score in facsimile, and your own editorial of it. The other would be your intabulation. And that one would be the most interesting for us players and the other one for musicologists? Is the reason for publishing volumes by 6 and not in one, a result of making the edition easy to use for practising musicians? Best G. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hart anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute publications Following my previous posts I am in the final stages of preparing the lute sonatas of Antonino Reggio. The delema is should I include the tablature in the samr volume as the staff edition of would it be better to publish two separate volumes. I intend to publish 4 volumes of 6 sonatas each. Anty suggestions? Many thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4336 / Virus Database: 3722/7214 - Release Date: 03/19/14
[LUTE] Re: Ornamental Lutes
On the few (well recorded) concerts I've seen, (always on TV), the theorbo has contributed highly with its characteristic bass drone (reminding me of a didgeridoo for some reason) to the events. But these were smaller ensembles, where the instrument could really come to its full potential. And they were also filmed and recorded proffessionally. Is visual presence without being heard and just being an ornament in a huge orchestra ok...I guess...but if not recorded and tweeked, probably few in the audience (except perhaps the first few rows) could enjoy its sound. But, the musicians next to the theorbo would be able to enjoy its gutsy basses, and perhaps because of that play better. And the orchestra being an organism of sorts, the theorbo could perhaps act as a uniting entity in the bass register, contributing to the orchestral performance as a whole, theorbist playing well of course ;) G. - Original Message - From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net To: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com; Lute List List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ornamental Lutes One caveat, and one caveat only, to add to Howard Posner's excellent perspective- Don't be playing at any time when all the other continuo players have stopped (or haven't started). Sometimes it's infinitely worse for the theorbo to be heard! Dan On 3/17/2014 7:12 AM, howard posner wrote: On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:51 AM, Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com wrote: so i was asked to play continuo for a Händel Concerto Grosso and spent some time working it out. at the first rehearsal i discover that the continuo line is also being played by 3 violoncelli, an electronic harpsichord, and a double bass all 'playing out'. all of these are modern instruments, played aggressively by players more accustomed to symphonic music. full chords on my large archlute and twiddling nonstop means i am audible to the celli and to the conductor. the tutti violins on the other side of the semicircle have said they can't really hear me, so i wonder if i'd even be heard by the audience. i'm sure other lute players have done gigs like this, so what does one do in situations where one's lute seems largely ornamental? do i just make sure i look pretty? You play continuo, don’t worry about it, and relax knowing there isn’t any pressure on you to carry the part. It doesn’t matter whether the violinists think they can hear you. If you were playing with a big French harpsichord and baroque instruments, they might say the same, most of the time. And I’ll bet they can’t distinguish the sound of one of those cellos from the other two, and none of those cellists is writing to the cello list about his predicament. About once a year on this list I have occasion to remind someone that playing continuo isn’t like playing a lute concerto. It isn’t necessarily about being heard as a distinct, identifiable sound. You’re part of the mix. In a big group you’re there to make the overall sound fuller, or mellower, or brighter, or whatever. The group should sound better when you’re playing and worse when you’re not, even if it isn’t obvious why. You’ve done your job when the listeners like the sound, not when someone in the third row says, “really nice voice-leading on that last six-four chord by the guy playing that weird giant mandolin.” And if the sound is really so thick that it doesn’t matter at all what you play, just do your best, enjoy the show and chalk it up to practice time. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4336 / Virus Database: 3722/7204 - Release Date: 03/17/14
[LUTE] Re: A rather old lute cameo
And related: Why do filmmakers almost never, make actors learn how to mimic the playing correctly? The most blatant recent example is A late quartet (2012), which is irritating in the extreme for a musician to watch! When will Hollywood acknowledge, that a huge part of viewers are actually able to play an instrument? Ridiculous! G. - Original Message - From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: Thomas Walker twlute...@hotmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:30 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: A rather old lute cameo Here's the full IMDB entry - Unfortunately nothing much about the music or musicians there: [1]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0611663/fullcredits?ref_=ttfc_ql_1 It's strange how musicians are seldom if ever credited in these things. Music also seems to be the poor cousin when it comes to historical accuracy in some programmes. I have been watching some episodes of the new series The Musketeers - the dialogue is dreadful, but the sets, costumes and weapons seem to be spot-on for around 1630. Huge care has gone into what Richelieu wears and Louis XIII and Anne of Austria bear more than a passing resemblance to the people they represent. THEN in episode 3, Athos is in the boudoir of Milady de Winter and guess what? There's a 'lute' on the table. Except it's a modern mandolin with machine heads for goodness sake! Would they have substituted a flintlock pistol for a wheel lock one? Of course not. But if it's a musical instrument - What the hell, nodbody'll notice. OK I'm a nerd, but . . . Bill From: Thomas Walker twlute...@hotmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014, 0:38 Subject: [LUTE] Re: A rather old lute cameo The Wolvercote Tongue, c. '87 or '88. Thanks all! Subject: Re: [LUTE] A rather old lute cameo From: [2]johnle...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:26:48 -0500 To: [3]twlute...@hotmail.com CC: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Pretty sure it's Christopher Wilson. Sent from my Ouija board On Feb 4, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Thomas Walker [5]twlute...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello all, I was watching an old Inspector Morse episode, and lo and behold, there was a lute accompanying a countertenor for Sorrow Stay. I think the episode is nearing 30 years old, maybe around 1987...anyone have a clue as to the id of the performers? Just for curiosity's sake, Thomas Walker -- To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0611663/fullcredits?ref_=ttfc_ql_1 2. mailto:johnle...@hotmail.com 3. mailto:twlute...@hotmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:twlute...@hotmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3684/7062 - Release Date: 02/04/14
[LUTE] Don't miss it!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009rns5 Two days left, to listen to a 6 year old rerun of a most inspiring lute-broadcast from BBC's superb Early Music Show, with a gorgeous version of the Bach Chaconne by Nigel North, (which Nancy Carlin also mentioned a fortnight ago). Thanks Ladies! PS. Notice the slanted 1st and 2nd frets on Elizabeth's 10 course lute. G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Segovia whatever
Great Ed! So a few of us here were actually floored! I further noticed that both those documentaries are also available on youtube. On the actual DVD there are some photos as extras. A.o. some drawings of a young Andres. There could be no doubt about where Disney found his inspiration for Mickey Mouse :D - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@gmail.com To: LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Segovia whatever On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:28 AM, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Segovia at los Olivos from 1967, when he was 75 years old, the other The song of the guitar filmed in beautiful Granada, in 1976, when he was 84, according to the liner notes. Of course you can hear that age had taken it's toll, but nevertheless I must say impressive. I only wish, that I could be able to play only half as well if ever reaching that ripe old age! Wow that must mean he was 88 when I heard him in Basel in 1980. My gosh! I remember thinking it looked like he would barely make it to the chair in the center of the stage. I expected him to have memory lapses and mistakes. I was floored. He played beautifully. Someone sitting in the front row didn't like his seat so switched with me at intermission. The second half I watched from the front row! Same year, I hitchhiked or took a train up to Frankfurt to hear Bream. I even had a few words with him after the concert when he came out to pick up his footstool. But isn't it wonderful how in the lute world we can hang out with our heros at lute seminars? Not gonna happen in the rock world. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6926 - Release Date: 12/16/13
[LUTE] Re: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection.) and now what?
And not only had he good taste in music, but he also gave a lot of information and valuable advice on the execution of the pieces, a great number of which are probably the most played on the lute today among the intermediate crowd. He in fact also recommends tuning 3rd down to F# on several of the pieces and at the end requires lute tuning on some. Still highly treasured collections which must have inspired many people to take up the lute. - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@gmail.com To: Tobiah t...@tobiah.org; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection.) and now what? Yeah, but he had good taste in music. I had three of his books. On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:19 AM, Tobiah t...@tobiah.org wrote: On 12/16/2013 08:55 AM, Sean Smith wrote: What? No love for Frederick Noad's, The Renaissance Guitar? That book and others put me off of the Renaissance because I found that most of the pieces, though simple enough looking, were full of awkward fingerings that took more effort to master then was worth the underlying music. Later, perusing Ness' Frank book, and working out the tuning, I found that I could go back to the Noad with the 3rd down a half-step and have a much better time of it. It also caused me to lament that the grand staff had not originally been chosen for the guitar. Someone had a fetish for ledger lines, I suppose. Toby To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6926 - Release Date: 12/16/13
[LUTE] Re: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection.) and now what?
There is surprisingly an error on that table of contents, in that one of the best pieces is missing! John Dowland: Lady Hunsdon's Alman on page 91 - Original Message - From: Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection.) and now what? On 17/12/13 8:44 AM, G. Crona wrote: And not only had he good taste in music, but he also gave a lot of information and valuable advice on the execution of the pieces, a great number of which are probably the most played on the lute today among the intermediate crowd. He in fact also recommends tuning 3rd down to F# on several of the pieces and at the end requires lute tuning on some. Still highly treasured collections which must have inspired many people to take up the lute. Decades ago when I briefly flirted with teaching myself classical guitar I discovered one of Noad's beginner's books, and found it the most logical and thorough method I'd seen. I never encountered his renaissance guitar book, but just now discovered its table of contents on his web page, and I'm blown away by the brilliance of his selection of music. It truly is the cream of the crop, and I can see why he converted so many people to the lute. http://www.noad.com/trg.htm Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6926 - Release Date: 12/16/13
[LUTE] Re: Segovia whatever
I heard both Segovia and Bream in the Stockholm Concert-hall in the early 70's and was of course highly impressed. But naturally, we were all in awe in those days. It was like being in heaven, sitting at the feet of the greatest of masters whom we all revered, total guitar nerds as we were. I remember prefering the Bream concert. Not only because he also performed on the lute. But it was incredible to me, how those Segovia Frankfurter sausage fingers managed to caress such glorious music out of the tiny wooden box we spent so many hours daily trying to come to terms with. For anyone interested, I can recommend the Opus Arte / Allegro Films DVD containing 2 films by Christopher Nupen, about Segovia. The first called Segovia at los Olivos from 1967, when he was 75 years old, the other The song of the guitar filmed in beautiful Granada, in 1976, when he was 84, according to the liner notes. Of course you can hear that age had taken it's toll, but nevertheless I must say impressive. I only wish, that I could be able to play only half as well if ever reaching that ripe old age! G. - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lutelist Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Segovia whatever On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Tobiah t...@tobiah.org wrote: I find his tone anemic, his rhythm unmusically erratic, I certainly agree about his rhythm (and unless you've heard his recordings from around 1930 you don't know the half of it), but he pulled a lot of sound out of the guitar. In 1977, I heard him in the 3,200-seat Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, a cavernous and not particularly resonant space where the LA Philharmonic played until 2003. He was 84, and obviously having memory or concentration problems, so what he played often bore only a passing resemblance to what the composer wrote. But he was quite audible, for better or worse. Mostly worse. I had never heard him live before -- though I was warned what to expect -- and as someone with pretensions, however small, of being a guitarist, I was embarrassed for my instrument. Apparently Segovia read my review of that concert in the Los Angeles Times a couple days later, and threatened (I don't know to whom) never to return to Los Angeles. You made a lot of people very happy, someone at the Times told me. He's a hateful old man. The Times music critic, Martin Bernheimer, was not among those I made happy. He'd reviewed Segovia's LA concert the previous year, and wrote what most critics were writing about Segovia: the guitar's a joke and there's no good music for it, but Segovia's definitely the greatest. Bernheimer was understandably miffed about being made to look foolish by his newest and youngest stringer (I was 20 at the time). That review eventually finished me as a Times stringer, a career in which I could have earned hundreds of dollars a year. The subject of how much Segovia helped create the classical guitar's popularity and how much he caught the wave at the right time can be discussed endlessly, but we should not forget 1) that the classical music establishment looked at Segovia, and the guitar, with much condescension, and 2) that he brought some disrepute on the instrument by atrocious performances in his later years, when someone less egotistical would have realized it was time to retire. Of course, his concerts in the 1930's or 1950's could have been embarrassments as well; I wouldn't know. But Segovia was helped a lot by talking dog effect: he was hailed as the greatest classical guitarist by lots of people who had no idea there were any others. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Dear Chris, you are right of course. The justification level is very high here :) If one cuts to the chase though, I think that there are several discussions going on at the same time in this thread. 1. The HIP discussion 2. The personal approach discussion 3. The nails - no nails discussion 4. The gut versus no or partial gut discussion 5. The lute versus guitar discussion 6. The Segovia-Bream-Hoppy discussion as well as a few others. So, a real amalgam of discussions in just the one thread! Great! It clarifies many things, at least for me, and like sometimes happens, a few golden nuggets pop up. Its usually very difficult to concentrate on just one topic in an internet thread. It quickly seems to branch out into a whole tree. Happens all the time. Sometimes sooner than later. But that's OK. That's how life is like. We are so lucky to have so many truly knowledgeable, funny, dedicated, empathetic people on this list. I'm glad to be a lurker! Thanks, and happy holidays to all! G. PS. HIGHEST OT WARNING!!! I highly recommend watching the BBC documentary Surviving progress on youtube. Its really thought-provoking! - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: JosephMayes ma...@rowan.edu; Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Ron, On Thu, 12/12/13, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com wrote: Stubbs did not come to the lute from the typical classical guitar background and thus has no reason to justify his technique. Ron, with this crowd, ya gotta justify everything ;-) Chris To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Where? Where? ;) - Original Message - From: Neil Woodhouse blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com To: guitarandl...@earthlink.net; 'Mayes,Joseph' ma...@rowan.edu Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:24 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Here, Here. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Saturday quote - Innocent mistake
No, it was Jack da Ripa! G. - Original Message - From: Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Saturday quote - Innocent mistake On 30/11/13 10:17 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: methinks not, we have plenty of titles containing Dulandi, gather than Ioandi. It was very common for famous renaissance geniuses to be known by their given names. Galileo, Leonardo, Michelangelo, and Francesco immediately come to mind. da Vinci and da Milano are sometimes seen, but never Galilei or di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni. My question is whether Albert da Rippe was an ancestor of Jack da Rippe? Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3629/6879 - Release Date: 11/29/13
[LUTE] BWV 1025
Hi guys I've always been fascinated by BWV 1025 and think that this is where Bach (late in his careeer) gets to shine as a violinist in the serendipid meeting between him and Weiss. Any chance of the lute part being available digitally anywhere? Best regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 2 Dowland programmes on BBC this week
O'Dette Dowland's grand tour http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037t48y Heringman / Kirkby Dowland songs http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037tvrl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Bream interview on BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036ts1w 44 min.. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 11 11 11
Arrowsharp Ed! G. - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: [LUTE] 11 11 11 First 11 bars from page 11 of the Capirola manuscript played on an 11 string lute at 111 bpm for 1 minute 11 seconds on 11 11 11 after 11 pm. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue1h_tLIhQ Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lue1h_tLIhQ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4609 - Release Date: 11/10/11
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
Many thanks to Nancy and Denys for the interesting Renbourn interview from LSA Quarterly Sept. 06! Especially funny to read about the Newsidler Judentanz that had musicologists baffled in those early days because they couldn't read the German tablature properly (dash above cipher) and therefore totally misjudged the piece as an atonal piece centuries ahead of its time. Luckily, thanks to David Munrow who was there on recorder, they were able to put things straight. But they still bowed to contemporary musicologist knowledge and recorded a faulty atonal version as well. Shows you never to put too much trust in your contemporary musicologists! He-he ;) G. - Original Message - From: Nancy Carlin na...@nancycarlinassociates.com To: t...@heartistrymusic.com; Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:45 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' I am also a big Renbourn fan and agree that he has great technique. Those early records of his were a big inspiration years ago. We published a nice interview with him in the LSA Quarterly a while back. I anyone does not have it email me and I can send you a copy. Nancy To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi trio RV85
http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Divers - Original Message - From: Henry Villca henry_l...@yahoo.com To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Vivaldi trio RV85 Dear lute players, Hope this letter finds you in good spirit and health. I am about to perform my recital at the Royal Conservatory in the coming months. I would much appreciate if you could please help me on finding the complete score in pdf of Vivaldis trio RV85, Thank you very much!!. Warm Regards Henry Orlando V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
Hey Tom, its so strange that you should mention that particular Sarabande. Just the other day I watched a movie where it was the main musical theme, and I've been playing that one (in Segovia's arrangement) for as long as I can remember on the guitar. Its a highly evocative piece. I've been searching my mind the whole day for the correct name for such an ocurrence, (where something you have just experienced or said or thought about pops up simultaneously somewhere completely else. But the term evades me.help anyone?) And I'm definitely a dedicated Renbourne fan. He has done wonders for the appreciation of olde muzac. Who of us players just couldn't just love his trotto suite and the dump? G. - Original Message - From: t...@heartistrymusic.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' This makes me think of a wonderful recording by John Renbourn of the famous Sarabande by J.S. Bach from Partita No.1 BWV 1002 for Unaccompanied Violin. He played it on an Epiphone Casino hollowbody electric guitar with tremelo and reverb. http://www.amazon.com/Lady-Unicorn-John-Renbourn/dp/B00E9F (The entire LP is wonderful.) Renbourn states on the liner notes that he was in no way trying to be historic, but to bsaically breathe new life into some ancient pieces. I think he succeeded. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
EXACTLY! That was quick! Thanks Mark. What an exciting concept that is. (And Jung is another one of my personal .(fill in desired word)! G. - Original Message - From: Mark Warren mwar...@xplornet.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' Carl Jung called it synchronicity... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity m. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
Yes, surely so. And in this case, not an extreme one, but qualifiable as synchronicity nonetheless, (I wish to believe ;) . If we were more open and had better antennæ, there would perhaps be more occurrences of this kind? Thanks Mark! G. - Original Message - From: Mark Warren mwar...@xplornet.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:36 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' It's a fascinating theory, and I'd guess that most people have likely had at least one such experience that defies rational explanation. Then again, perhaps apparently synchronous events are more common among people on the same listserve? m. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
- Original Message - From: t...@heartistrymusic.com To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' I'm still trying to play like that - trying ... He often uses some awkward/special tunings. I have many of his guitar scores somewhere. Let me know if you need them and I'll try to dig them out. Best G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
In English please? G. - Original Message - From: corvo di bassetto r...@recout.de To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' C.G. Jung was a … Nazi! (cf.: »Die tatsächlich bestehenden und einsichtigen Leuten schon längst bekannten Verschiedenheiten der germanischen und der jüdischen Psychologie sollen nicht mehr verwischt werden, was der Wissenschaft nur förderlich sein kann« C.G. Jung, Zentralblatt für Psychotherapie, Dec. 1933) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
Hi people This whole discussion begins to approach the (almost ZEN) question of: What is the pure lute sound? And: What did the lute sound like yesteryear? As for myself, I have to say that I admire the quest for finding the perfect lute sound of the ancients. Those persuing it today are the present sound scientists. The creme-de-la-creme of exquisite sound epicurees, who wish to replicate the old sound of the LUTE. All kudos to you, and I admire your work, effort and almost religious dedication to the cause. (At the same time, I wonder how many you actually are :) As a lover of multiple plucked string instruments, I have to wonder though, if this is a quest that will ever be achievable. After all, the human ear endears itself to all kinds of sounds. Look at how a lute will sound in different environments. Out in the open nature (bird song and all), or confined within larger or smaller spaces (warm tapestried wooden rooms versus cathedrals). The sound will vary immensely. The stringing may vary, the construction of the lute may vary, etc. etc. This means that there are a quantum of factors that will affect the final sound of any lute (or plucked instrument) in a different setting. So should we persue this quest for the perfect lute sound, and can we? IMO Yes! By all means, if you are so inclined. But more important is to make the music come alive. In that respect, I don't believe the actual sound is paramount, but the quality of the music. The musicianship. (And I'm extremely ambiguous about the 1001 editings to CD's to make them perfect sounding cf. Glenn Gould). Perhaps CD's should have a live label, or specify that they've been variously edited. (If only for honesty). But let's face it, surely, any CD or album, has since time immemorial been edited and most mistakes weeded out. (I have a live recording I consentingly made of Paul'O at a concert in 1985 though, and the faults are impressively minimal! And the musicianship optimal already then!) A piece may sound wonderful (and touch the listener) on any instrument or in any combination of instruments. But, there must also be a reason to why f.ex. guitarists wish to alter the sound of their playing so much with all kinds of wave manipulation and distortion. (There must be 1001 or more ways to alter the sound of any note on a guitar string with the help of todays electronics), (I know, I know, another point for the fundamentalists...) But as I see it, human ears just love diversity. A piece by f. ex. Bach or Weiss, played on multiple instruments or if plucked on: an authentic gut strung 13 course German baroque lute, a harp, an 11-14 string alto guitar, a lautenwerck etc. may be equally moving as well as equally JUSTIFIED. I for one, greatly admire the fundamentalists, but also heartily applaud the innovating modernists (for need of a better word). If this rambling sounds self-evident, its because it is. I just had to put it down... TXS and Best G. - Original Message - From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com To: t...@heartistrymusic.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:22 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound' Good points, Tom. I recently listened to (on FM radio) a Spanish lute piece played by Hopkinson Smith. Had I not been familiar with the instrument, I would have guessed that it was about the size of a grand piano. I can understand recording engineers wanting to 'enhance' a sound that to their ears may appear too 'small', but I would hope that players would have some say in the ultimate sound of the recording. Very positive examples of players having input into the recorded sound are the recordings done by Ron Andrico and Donna Stewart. -Ned On Jul 11, 2011, at 4:01 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: Playing in churches or stone-built castles is fine, and I can see why people like the reverberative acoustics. Lots of different kinds of music sound very good in these spaces. BUT - are we talking about HIP Renaissance lute, Baroque lute, or Medeival music? Stone-built castles were largely a medieval thing, and the residents heavily draped walls, etc. with tapestries and the like to make the spaces warmer and more habitable. This would have deadened the acoustics of those spaces. When we go to a place like Warkworth we're not seeing the space as it was when it was lived in, but a mere skeleton of that. If we look at Jan Vermeer's A lady at the virginals with a gentleman (`The Music Lesson´) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jan_Vermeer_van_Delft_014.jpg we see a typical upper middle class room environment from the mid 1660s. I think a lot of lute music was heard in spaces like this. Note the heavily draped table. The smaller dimensions of the room, the beamed ceiling, plus the addition of furniture, paintings on the walls, drapery, and even the way the walls were constructed (not stone), would all have contributed
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The Lute Book of Jollas, Jollaksen luuttukirja
Thanks a lot Arto. Looks like a good study-book and complement to the tutors. And great that the pieces are also on Youtube. Good work and many thanks for your dedicated effort! (And well done for someone who scorned the baroque lute for years in countless postings :) Best G. - Original Message - From: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: 'baroque Lutelist' baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:41 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] The Lute Book of Jollas, Jollaksen luuttukirja Dear baroque lutenists, when there has been some major changes in my life, I thought it is perhaps time for an inventory of my efforts to learn the 11-course baroque lute. So I collected the music of the pieces I have sent to the tubes as a single pdf-lutebook. Mainly the music is in facsimile form. There are 85 pieces that I like a lot! Basically I made the book to myself - to find out, what I really have made and also to physically find the music once again... But perhaps there is some joy of the book also to others? I by myself might consider this as the lute book to be taken to a lonely island. :-) Here is the link http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/11_courseLute/JollaksenLuuttukirja.pdf (size is about 6 M) Jollas is the beautiful place in Helsinki, where I was living until June. And there I have recorded all those pieces. That is why The Lute Book of Jollas, in Finnish Jollaksen luuttukirja. All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
- Original Message - From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de The sound is part of the coding. Francesco had another sound in his head when composing his pieces, than Dowland, Weiss Still an unanswered question, isn't it? Viola da mano, lute, artificial nails (forgot the exact term) .. Silver thimbles with pieces of string as plectra and using the lh thumb as barré . How historical sounding wouldn't that be! G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A question about Bakfark's lute music
Like this :) http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/heringman-blackcow/ G. - Original Message - From: Eugene Kurenko eugene.kure...@gmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] A question about Bakfark's lute music Hello to everybody! This day I had some interest in difficult music for renaissance lute and had dicovered some intabulations by Bakfark. And almost went crazy. Most of them seems for me as bloody hell and almost impossible to play in tempo. I mean this for example: [1]http://www.lute.ru/gerbode/ft2/composers/Bakfark/pdf/douce_memoire.p df [2]http://www.lute.ru/gerbode/ft2/composers/Bakfark/pdf/czarna_krowa.pd f Some chord progressions has very awkward fingerings, wide transitions for left hand. And in addition to this - very complex rhythm, polyphony up to 4 and sometimes 5 voices. Do you have any suggestions how one can play this on one lute? Thanks in advance! Eugene. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Thomas Mace Musick's Monument free to download
Thats wonderful news Ralph! Thank you so much for letting us know. I've wanted to read this one for ages but not had a chance until now. Great! G. - Original Message - From: Ralf Bachmann ralfbachm...@hotmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:53 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Thomas Mace Musick's Monument free to download Now that`s new, Book contributor: National Library of Scotland, legal free ;-) http://www.archive.org/details/musicksmonumento00mace Saludos To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
Yes here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Baroque_lute with a hopelessly corrupted midi for the diapasons G. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de Cc: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; theoj89...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces The suite in F#minor is in the Wayne's pages somewhere. RT From: Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de This is the Paisane from D-Nst ms 2353a/b 2 Paisane del Sigre Pachelbel (Pachelbel?) C-Dur- D-Nst2353 / 2v Best regards Markus Am 07.06.2011 10:46, schrieb Stuart Walsh: On 07/06/2011 08:41, Bernd Haegemann wrote: I have a vague memory of seeing name Pachelbel mentioned in some b-lute mss; and I have not seen the two mss in Peter's listing - actually I am quite sure I've seen it... Dear Arto, I have the same impression. I have seen the name Pachelbel - but I have never seen the two mss in question... best wishes Bernd Me too. I have a dim memory and even even dimmer ancient photocopies. Here's one which I think has the name Pachelbel but it's hard to read. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/P.jpg Stuart On the other hand I doubt P. himself composed anything directly to lute solo; so I guess the mss's pieces are arrangements themselves. So why don't you arrange your P. favorites to the b-lute by yourself, Theo? My tiny experience suggests that baroque pieces work often quite well on baroque lute. Same feeling, by the way, in renaissance pieces being suitable to the renaissance lute... Perhaps this is not just a coincidence... :) Best, Arto On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:32:45 +0200, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: beste Theo, Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute manuscript somewhere http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deuid=2type=mssst=0nm=50title=key=msnam=comp=Pachelbel (does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they have any musical interest? Have they been recorded? thanks, trj I only know of one recording: http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU groeten Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1511/3686 - Release Date: 06/07/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
Hello Mike look here! :) http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2type=msms=D-Nst2353lang=engshowmss=1 BW G. - Original Message - From: Mike Peterson mb...@comcast.net To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces What is the Nurnberg Stadtbibliothek ms 2353b?? Mike P On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:50 AM, G. Crona wrote: Yes here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Baroque_lute with a hopelessly corrupted midi for the diapasons G. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de Cc: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; theoj89...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces The suite in F#minor is in the Wayne's pages somewhere. RT From: Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de This is the Paisane from D-Nst ms 2353a/b 2 Paisane del Sigre Pachelbel (Pachelbel?) C-Dur- D-Nst2353 / 2v Best regards Markus Am 07.06.2011 10:46, schrieb Stuart Walsh: On 07/06/2011 08:41, Bernd Haegemann wrote: I have a vague memory of seeing name Pachelbel mentioned in some b-lute mss; and I have not seen the two mss in Peter's listing - actually I am quite sure I've seen it... Dear Arto, I have the same impression. I have seen the name Pachelbel - but I have never seen the two mss in question... best wishes Bernd Me too. I have a dim memory and even even dimmer ancient photocopies. Here's one which I think has the name Pachelbel but it's hard to read. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/P.jpg Stuart On the other hand I doubt P. himself composed anything directly to lute solo; so I guess the mss's pieces are arrangements themselves. So why don't you arrange your P. favorites to the b-lute by yourself, Theo? My tiny experience suggests that baroque pieces work often quite well on baroque lute. Same feeling, by the way, in renaissance pieces being suitable to the renaissance lute... Perhaps this is not just a coincidence... :) Best, Arto On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:32:45 +0200, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: beste Theo, Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute manuscript somewhere http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deuid=2type=mssst=0nm=50title=key=msnam=comp=Pachelbel (does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they have any musical interest? Have they been recorded? thanks, trj I only know of one recording: http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU groeten Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1511/3686 - Release Date: 06/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1511/3686 - Release Date: 06/07/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
Peter Steur is the editor of this work as can be seen in the text of the tab file. I imported the tab file into Fronimo and altered the tuning with F7 to baroque tuning and then custom tuning, raising 7th course to G#, 8th to F# and 11th to C# and it all suddenly made much more sense. The work is unfortunately still corrupted in some places though... G. - Original Message - From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:50 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces Yes here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Baroque_lute with a hopelessly corrupted midi for the diapasons G. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de Cc: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; theoj89...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:30 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces The suite in F#minor is in the Wayne's pages somewhere. RT From: Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de This is the Paisane from D-Nst ms 2353a/b 2 Paisane del Sigre Pachelbel (Pachelbel?) C-Dur- D-Nst2353 / 2v Best regards Markus Am 07.06.2011 10:46, schrieb Stuart Walsh: On 07/06/2011 08:41, Bernd Haegemann wrote: I have a vague memory of seeing name Pachelbel mentioned in some b-lute mss; and I have not seen the two mss in Peter's listing - actually I am quite sure I've seen it... Dear Arto, I have the same impression. I have seen the name Pachelbel - but I have never seen the two mss in question... best wishes Bernd Me too. I have a dim memory and even even dimmer ancient photocopies. Here's one which I think has the name Pachelbel but it's hard to read. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/P.jpg Stuart On the other hand I doubt P. himself composed anything directly to lute solo; so I guess the mss's pieces are arrangements themselves. So why don't you arrange your P. favorites to the b-lute by yourself, Theo? My tiny experience suggests that baroque pieces work often quite well on baroque lute. Same feeling, by the way, in renaissance pieces being suitable to the renaissance lute... Perhaps this is not just a coincidence... :) Best, Arto On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:32:45 +0200, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: beste Theo, Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute manuscript somewhere http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deuid=2type=mssst=0nm=50title=key=msnam=comp=Pachelbel (does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they have any musical interest? Have they been recorded? thanks, trj I only know of one recording: http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU groeten Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1511/3686 - Release Date: 06/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1511/3686 - Release Date: 06/07/11
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
Very nice Ed, thanks! I liked your costume, (especially the feather). How many courses? Did you amplify? Please provide us with a list of the tunes you played. Well done! G. - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] streaming lute gig I played my first gig in over a year yesterday and today. It was streamed live on the internet and is still up. For how long, I don't know. My embarrassing bits are at the beginning and at about two hours in. Just skip the first couple of pieces, they are horrible. [1]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Susanne ung jour
Thanks again Rainer! KUTGW G. Here - as usual - my concordance list: Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Susanne ung jour
Check out the next to last piece in this document: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00049370/images/index.html (pages 26 27 of the pdf, M. Newsidler) G. - Original Message - From: Hilbert Jörg hilbert.jo...@t-online.de To: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 7:36 PM Subject: [LUTE] Susanne ung jour Dear friends, I am currently working on a very nice flute variation on Susanne ung jour by Bassano, which is obviously based on a song of Orlando di Lasso. I am very interested in this song and in additional lute material, but I can't find too much about it in the internet. Does anybody know, if there is some free material out there, which I may not have found yet? Thanks, Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Indeed you most successfully have Martin. I should also have added an excellent editor as well as a generous sharer of music and knowledge. In short a compleat lutenist. Cheers! G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: new piece of the month Thanks, Goeran. We have debated on this list before the virtues or otherwise of live performance-type recordings as opposed to perfect commercial CD-type recordings. I don't like to hear blemishes (especially my own!) but at the same time I don't want to spend hours editing out every single one. I usually do a couple of takes and use the best one, sometimes editing particularly gruesome bits - but on the whole my best recordings have been single takes, no edits. If I were actually making a CD I think I would have to do lots of takes and lots of editing, but my main objective with these MP3s is just to share the music and demonstrate the sound of the lutes. I hope I have shown that gut strings can be used to good effect. Best wishes, Martin On 08/04/2011 11:28, G. Crona wrote: Cool Martin! Did you record it all in one go or weed out mistakes in audacity afterwards? You seem to be quite unique in the lute community in that you BOTH build excellent lutes as well as being a very sensitive and able player. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month Hi All, The new piece of the month is in the usual place: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.html It's the last of a series of recordings I made with a Venere 7c lute (67cm, strung all in gut) before it went to its new owner. I hope you enjoy it. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Shakespeare settings
Barley download here: http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/bookshelf/download.html?bookid=6 G. - Original Message - From: be...@interlog.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Shakespeare settings Hi, all! I'm doing a concert of Renaissance and Restoration settings of Shakespeare lyrics, as well as including some lutesong from the Elizabethan era - Dowland, Pilkington. I've got some Thomas Arne settings of lyrics from As You Like It. Any other suggestions for similar rep? There are a number of singers involved for madrigal singing, as well as theorbo/lute and harpshichord/organ. Thanks! Ben S To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re:
Same site! http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/bookshelf/details.html?bookid=26 - Original Message - From: konstantin.n...@gmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Dear friends lutenists! Anyone can share Thomas Robinson The Schoole of Musicke? Or give please the link where i can download it. Thanks a lot in advance! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: German tablature
Diana Poulton has a few pages on the subject in her excellent tutor, but the best is to just practice yourself, book by book, as the calligraphy is quite different between the authors. Especially earlier like Newsidler and later like Jobin. G. - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com To: Lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] German tablature Because my life is not complicated enough...is there a tutor in English for learning German tablature, either published or online? Rob Mackillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3489 - Release Date: 03/07/11
[LUTE] Re: German tablature
Bothe father and son write it NEW on their frontpages - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: German tablature I think Hans Newsidler and Melchior Neusidler on their title pages - modern German maybe Neusiedler, anyone? Martin On 08/03/2011 18:09, Rob MacKillop wrote: Thanks, all. Newslider it is. Or Neuslider. Or...how many spellings, and which is used more in Germany? Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1497/3491 - Release Date: 03/08/11
[LUTE] Re: Lute sighting
Hey Nicolas its probably just you and me (and few more) caring about this, but anyway, I've sighted an reported when I could, about 10 times or so till now I believe. Should we make a definitive list? Its all in the archives. Lets make a sighting list! ;) G. - Original Message - From: Nicolás Valencia nivalenl...@gmail.com To: 'lute list lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] Lute sighting Dear all, Not sure if it's been posted here, but I found a lute on Lost TV series, season 6, chapter 4. It shows only for some seconds, but you can see it on a table, just like old paintings. It's a Renaissance 8c lute and it even has a broken string! (which is actually a clever hint related to the storyline). There's a video here: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOjNPOU6KEM And more information here: [2]http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob's_lute Nicolas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Overview of old music - beginner question
Hello Cyril and welcome to the lutelist! Some people start by putting a capo and tuning 3rd to F# on the guitar, but the proper lute is a completely different beast. At first the double courses can be daunting and require a different approach to striking than the guitar to sound well. Roughly thumb-in for Renaissance, and thumb-out for Baroque. There has been talk of making a FAQ page for people like you, but I doubt that its been done yet. Here FWIW is a quick and short answer. A good place where to begin is the mother of all lutepages, Wayne Cripps' http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html and the English Lute Society http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/thinking-of-taking-up-the-lute Also the Lute Society of America has much educational stuff http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/ See f. ex. Martin Shepherd's page http://www.luteshop.co.uk/firstlute.htm and (for links) Ed Durbrow's http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ You should check the links to the different lute societies and also google: lute podcast lute facsimiles lute tablatures etc... There are many good lute tutors. Diana Poulton, Stefan Lundgren and Andrea Damiani for Renaissance and Stefan Lungren (11 course) Satoh (13 course) and others for Baroque. The best way, I think is to just start searching by yourself. You'll readily find more than enough to digest. Good Luck in your quest and best wishes! G. - Original Message - From: Cyril Kríz cyrilk...@gmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:47 PM Subject: [LUTE] Overview of old music - beginner question Hello, I'm new to this lute discussion and I'm from Czech Republic. Sorry for my bad english. Now my question (I'm very sorry if this subject was discussed already...): I'm thinking to buy a lute and start to learn it (I'm guitar player - CG and electric), because I love its sound and also I love old music. Every time I hear it I immediately feel that this music has something almost magical inside (otherwise I like many genres of music, including modern subgenres of metal, experimental electronic, chiptunes etc.). The problem is that I'm the beginner and I don't know what exactly is typical music of 16th, 17th, 18th century, Italian, French music, what lute music is typical for Germany, England... So I cannot judge which old music is my favourite and it means I don't know which lute to buy. Intuitively I feel that ideal lute could be 7 course rennaisance lute, but I'm not sure. Is there any way to get some overview of whole lute music across the centuries? I mean, for example any web page with short mp3 examples of every period in lute music? Or any educational compilation on CD? Or something like that... Because there is so much music that I don't know where to start exploring it... I want to find my favourite genre of lute music so I can tell it to my luthier and he/she can build me a lute which is ideal for my chosen music. . I hope I say it clearly (again, sorry for my english). Thank you very much for your suggestions and I wish you all a nice day, Cyril (from Prag) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mark Smeaton
I don't know if the quote at the end of this link is authentic http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/Mark+Smeaton?t=anon G. - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Mark Smeaton Hello List I've been reading Hilary Mantel's 'Wolf Hall'. Mark Smeaton (lutenist/ virginalist who was executed on a probably trumped-up charge of adultery with Anne Boleyn) makes several appearances in the novel. An optimistic question: does anyone know of any music associated with or attributed to Mark Smeaton? Best Andrew To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hainhofer
Thank you very much Rainer for this interesting link. And of course to Joachim too. Excellent! G. - Original Message - From: adS rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:19 AM Subject: [LUTE] Hainhofer http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00046906/image_1 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute
As you can see its in Pisador. https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action;jsessionid=54B87BF9DF3F0B69D077314E39F4EB47?institutionalItemId=12697 But I believe he is considered musically suspect! Well, here's your chance to find out :) G. - Original Message - From: Gernot Hilger daube...@gmx.de To: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: gernot.hil...@netcologne.de Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:39 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute Dear Wolfgang (and all), I see there is something in this list for which I have been looking for years (and even asked here), an intabulation of missa l'homme armé super voces musicales which I believe is one of the finest pieces of music ever written. Does anybody know about a source for the tab of this one? Thanks! Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: English solo music ca 1500-1525?
Lute Society Publications: van Wilder? - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] English solo music ca 1500-1525? A question to the collected wisdom. I am looking for English solo music from the first quarter of the 16th century. To be more precise, from the first 15 years of the reign of Henry VIII and if possible connected to him or his court in any way, but I cannot have it all, I suppose, so near misses will be considered right on target. Any suggestions welcome. David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: English solo music ca 1500-1525?
PS. I noticed, in the recent The Tudors series they used a lot of da Milano! G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kraków, Biblioteka JagielloÅska, Mus. ms 40032 (olim Berlin)
Nope But take a look at: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html under Dieter Kirsch I believe John Griffiths has been working on it for a quantum of years G. - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Kraków, Biblioteka JagielloÅska, Mus. ms 40032 (olim Berlin) Is there an online listing WITH concordances of the contents of this Ms? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Galilei Fuga a l'unisono
Sam, you'll find the correct version, courtesy of Douglas Alton Smith esq. here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/associated/Galilei/037bFuga.pdf also with midi files Best Wishes G. - Original Message - From: Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: [LUTE] Galilei Fuga a l'unisono Dear Lutenists, Has anyone successfully performed Galilei's Fuga a l'unisono from Il Fronimo? The piece starts well, but if you play the canon as written you end up with some pretty bizarre harmonies towards the middle/end of the piece. If anyone has worked out where the errors are or come up with a version that works, please let me know! Thanks, Sam -- Sam Chapman Oetlingerstrasse 65 4057 Basel (0041) 79 530 39 91 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fortune My Foe as duet.
Gee Ron, I KNEW you were gonna do that when I read Ned's mail yesterday. You're a real lute gentleman! Thanks G. - Original Message - From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com To: nedma...@aol.com; wa...@physics.utexas.edu Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fortune My Foe as duet. To all: Thanks, Ned, for the plug for our edition, Shakespeare's Lute Book. The version of Fortune in Barley's collection of 1596 included pirated versions of Dowland's works, to which he strenuously objected in print when he published his First Booke of lute songs in 1597. I have always thought the version of 'Fortune' from Barley to be part of a lute duet, mostly since the melody is missing in the first strain. Yes, there is a set of treble divisions (I can't recall the ms. source off the top of my head and too busy to look at present) but they were not exactly satisfying. Likewise, Lyle Nordstrom created a duet part some years ago for the simpler setting of the tune called 'Complaint', and while it is pleasing it doesn't quite rise to the possibilities. Rather than complain in print, like Dowland, about copying and distributing my duet version, we are following Anton's generous example and offering the duet as a holiday gift, downloadable from our web site. http://editions.mignarda.com/downloads.html We hope you enjoy it. Best holiday wishes, Ron Donna www.mignarda.com Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:40:17 -0500 To: wa...@physics.utexas.edu CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Fortune My Foe as duet. There is a duet version of this in Shakespeare's Lute Book: An Anthology of Songs Lute Solos edited by Ron Andrico. The second part is from William Barley 1596 (attributed to J. Dowland) and the first part newly composed ( by Ron, I guess ). This may not be what you're looking for. If I had a working scanner I'd send it to you. . . Ned On Dec 6, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: I have Dowland's Fortune My Foe. I believe there is a set of divisions (or trebles) to it which make the piece playable as a duet. Can anyone help me find these divisions? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamazov
I'm not fond of theatrics myself, but take a look at almost ANY concert pianist. It seems almost to be expected there. Can you really blame a poor lutenist for wanting to cash in on the hype? G. - Original Message - From: Alfonso Marin luten...@gmail.com To: lutelist Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov I have the feeling that he uses music to create an image that feeds with obviously huge ego. I do not buy it, not musically nor lutenistically and most of all artistically. On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: I find Edin's style totally dignified, in partucular when compared with, say, Mark Wheeler's. RT - Original Message - From: Alexandros Tzimeros sarab...@otenet.gr To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com; e...@gamutstrings.com; Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net; Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:40 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov It's a pitty. Such a good player and he insists on all these funny theatrical expressions and kitchy video clips. - Original Message - From: Anthony Hind agno3ph...@yahoo.com To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com; e...@gamutstrings.com; Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:32 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov Great musicians often have an amazing presence on stage, but this can be with minimal gesture. Their very presence takes complete control of the theatrical space. $ However, it could be argued that there are differences in the way certain cultures approach this question. I recently saw the Kronos quartet in combination with the Ensemble Alim Qasimov from Azerbajan. They were dialoguing musically together, and although the Kronos are into such fusion, nevertheless the emotional expressivity of the Azerbajanis made them look a little stilted. The words of Alim Qasimov are clear on that subject: The words of these songs are very simple. We give them feelings, we try to infuse them with excitement and tension. Nevertheless, the emotions on the face of Alim look in no way put-on, They are a necessary part of his performance, which does not feel to be the case with Edin Amira (although, I am quite willing to accept that they mzy well have roots in such a tradition). $ This recording shows the first contacts between Kronos and the Azerbaidjanis: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMpmB4olbAfeature=related One very interesting piece was evoking the neighing of a young horse on instrument and voice. However, in spite of the quality of the performance, the Azerbaijani players in no way compromised themselves in catering for Western tastes. The result is that about a quarter of the French audience walked out noisily during their performance in Paris, showing in my opinion, their complete musical ignorance. I am willing to bet that no such walk out would occur with Edin and Amira, but they do seem to be doing their best to cater... $ On the other hand, I watched an amazing film of Ravi Shankar dialoguing musically with his daughter, extremely moving, but in spite of his almost mystical involvement in his music, there were no unnecessary emotional affects. [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2moqxqIaEfeature=related Regards Anthony Message d'origine De : Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com A : wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Objet : [LUTE] Re: Karamazov Date : 05/12/2010 02:04:33 CET Copie `a : Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net; Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Just my problem. . .. No, a problem for at least me too. The question of how much musical performance is theatre, is always to be considered. I prefer less theatre. Ned On Dec 4, 2010, at 5:16 PM, wikla wrote: On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:23:56 -0500, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLoX2TTAig His strong movements, his gestures while playing, are quite disturbing to me. Just my problem, I guess and also admit. It would be easier to me to listen to his very musical playing without the video showing his suffering face. I do know that certain amount of theatre of showing that you feel deeply is necessary - it is an important part of the show. But to me - my problem as I wrote - in this performance the amount of deep feeling gestures harmed severely getting the message. Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: fret tying help
Grazie Paolo! I've propagated for this video sequence for years. You are the first to finally make it! Good job! G. - Original Message - From: Paolo Busato pa.bus...@tiscali.it To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:24 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: fret tying help Hello everyone, I made a short video (16 MB anyway) on how I fasten gut frets: http://www.busatolutes.com/Video%201.flv Enjoy! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: EMS Lutes
Here they are Chris, your 200 Dollar Lutes :) http://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_renaissance_lute_8_15.htm?sid=9753fb3d0aa7c9b6ed40b37c1dab3d28 http://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_renaissance_laute.htm?sid=9753fb3d0aa7c9b6ed40b37c1dab3d28 can't vouch for quality though! G. - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: Margaret Munck meg.mu...@gmail.com Cc: lute mailing list list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: EMS Lutes All, I think the real issues with student lute pricing is that very few take it up as their first instrument. The vast majority come from some guitar background and they will have already spent a fair amount of money on other guitars or other instruments by the time they get to the lute. I think my own situation is not atypical: I already had a bachelor's degree in classical guitar performance before I even touched a lute. Just before I graduated, I mentioned to my teacher how much I enjoyed playing lute transcriptions. He said I could buy a cheap lute for around $200 if I wanted to mess around with it on the side. The thought had never occurred to me and it hit me like a lightening bolt: play lute music... on a LUTE!?!? Needless to say, I searched for months for that $200 lute. All of the instruments on Wayne's page were hours and hours away from me. I wasn't about to send $3,000 to some random person in California or Spain. I really couldn't believe there was no one within an hour or two's drive selling a lute so that I could at least try it out. After a while I was getting discouraged and was ready to give up. By chance I happened across a big name lutenist online selling a 10-course. It was way more money than I wanted to spend and my fiance was a bit miffed, but, knowing next to nothing about lutes, this seemed like a sure bet. I have to admit, I probably had some stars in my eyes and this was no doubt partially a factor in buying this particular lute. I suppose it worked out for the best: I'm now almost finished with my doctorate in lute performance and she's still with me. I wonder - Would things have turned out differently if I'd been able to get a cheapy in my hands two weeks after I spoke to my teacher? Would I have kept up the interest with an inferior instrument? Still, who knows if the instrument with name recognition hadn't come my way? Chris To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Restricted thesis
Dear List has anyone of you managed to download this thesis and is willing to pass it on to me? http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc4652/?q=lute Kind regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question
With a good and personally adapted strap, you should pretty much be able to avoid the lute's or guitar's holding problem wheather you use the old buttons - string or modern X-strap or whatever in-between. Some sit on it, some pimp them, but whatever solution, there seem to be many, as lute mail-search suggests. Personally, I've always had great trouble with the lute's pear form, and prefer the guitar's edgy adaptability. Ergonomics is important, and Alexander solution looks good. Never tried standing play, but like the idea a lot. Would require modern x-strap. Remember quoting brand, but can't now find company name. Best G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kozena and guitars, theorbo, colascione etc..
Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas :) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?
At no cost??? What about all the tax money the public and national libraries receive? Some of that I've contributed. G. - Original Message - From: Gary Digman magg...@sonic.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 9:05 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries? Yet, there's something noble about making these availlable at no cost, just as there's something noble about public libraries making books availlable at no cost to the user in the interest of enriching the culture. A decidedly uncapitalistic sentiment originating with an arch-captialist, Andrew Carnegie. Gary To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?
Leonard, you wouldn't possibly have made a note of that elusive GREEN sign in Recercar 2 did you? I can't seem to find it in the SPES facsimile. Text at end of recercar 13: Sapi che poi principiare a sonare el 2. recercar fin a quel segno fato de verde che vien poi intrare in questo et sta melgio. O fa come te piace. Know, that you can start with playing the 2nd recercar upto the sign drawn in green, then you can play this one, and that is better. Or do as you please. And Hooray for all the sensible libraries and kind people on this list who are willing to share PDF's of lute facsimiles. The London and Paris national libraries are sad rip-offs! Shame on them! G. - Original Message - From: Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:09 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries? On 11/11/10 7:02 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In any case even a facsimile is not a substitute for seeing the real thing. Monica Having had a cherished opportunity to peruse the unique Capirola ms in Chicago, I can heartily agree with your sentiment. However, I was too much in awe of the thing to even think of trying to play from it! Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:33 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries? Although I understand all of the issues, including compensating ppl for their time, charging money for facsimiles is basically evil, and in the long run everyone will be better served by having more music available--more concerts, more audience, more work. What all libraries should do is just put it all online, and then if someone wants to make an edition and sell it, fine. Just make a PDF, and upload it, and I guarantee that everyone will benefit. This also prevents players from owning a repertory by limiting access. If scholars want to sell the commentary as a separate book, that is also fine, and continues an established tradition. dt At 12:32 PM 11/10/2010, you wrote: Still something that I don't get: why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their MS available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the the Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, while there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) - that still do not even seem to envisage that ... Shall we (as single members of the list) put some pressure on our local libraries? Send an email to the curators of their music epartments - maybe as rightful, registered members of the library, as I guess some of us are - and ask about it? (Of course, this doesn't want to diminuish at all the value of such pubblication as the Dd.2.11 by the Lute Society. The scholarship part is something you dont get in a digital facsimile ...) Your opinion, listers? Matteo On 10 November 2010 20:19, Denys Stephens [1]denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk wrote: [...] It's also worth noting that whilst some of the world's libraries are making digital copies of their musical sources available, there is currently no expectation that this, or indeed any of the Cambridge University Library manuscripts will become available as free electronic downloads. Denys -- References 1. mailto:denyssteph...@ukonline.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.869 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3250 - Release Date: 11/11/10 08:34:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weekend..
Grüssgott Bernd! Many thanks for this..again. Looks like an interesting and clear to read ms. Do you know its designation in the Steur index? And where do you get all these pearls? From a huge personal microfilm collection? I found a lot of manuscripts on a russian site, but some of them were virtually unreadable and it beats me what purpose it is to publish unreadable or corrupted material as it feels more frustrating than helpful to see an interesting piece and then not be able to play it, as measures are missing on top, bottom or sides. But that is probably the result of multiple copies by not very punctilious people... Nochmal Danke Schön Bernd! Servus G. - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Weekend.. just in case you don't have other plans, why not play some Austrian (and other) stuff http://dl.free.fr/rrFVoKFCR pdf, ca. 35 MB (A-Wgm (Ms. 7763/92) ) best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10 20:34:00
[LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons
Which other of his pieces could work on the lute David? Any 'tubes? G. - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:20 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons I play some of the keyboard works on the lute, like the Italian Ground. dt At 02:28 PM 10/27/2010, you wrote: Dear list Does anyone know of any SOLO pieces by OG in the known canon? BR G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons
Do you possibly remember which those transcriptions were Daniel? G. - Original Message - From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:53 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons He wrote keyboard solos (Fitzwilliam Virginal book no doubt others); but chiefly known for vocal consort stuff. Do you mean actual lute solos? I've only seen a couple of guitar transcriptions from the 20th century- any old lute intabs (such as were done with a few of Byrd's keyboard pieces) would be of great interest to me; never heard of a single one, though. Dan Dear list Does anyone know of any SOLO pieces by OG in the known canon? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons
Thanks for the advice Dave Dan! Phillips I've played for years and know well. Some Byrd/Cutting also, but Gibbons was a new aquaintance after listening to Gould's magnificent rendering. The Virginalwerk (oops...) lute at its Golden Age best? I thought there might perhaps be something hidden in the mss - but apparently not... So off to the transcription table :) Mvh G. - Original Message - From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons Yes- Earl of Salisbury's Pavan- which I think is also sometimes attributed to Byrd. (Or Byrd wrote one of his own by that name?). And dt mentions the Italian ground- which I also used to play off the keyboard score some years ago; as I remember it fits on the lute perfectly. A 9 or 10 course lute; or any archthing- anything with a low CC makes a very satisfying vehicle for this piece. For some other very good (with extant original intabs) check out Peter Philips, 1589 Pavan, (Wickhambrook has my favorite version) and the Chromatica Pavana and Galliard are outstanding. English lute Society has an edition of Philip's lute versions. Dan Do you possibly remember which those transcriptions were Daniel? G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Orlando Gibbons
Dear list Does anyone know of any SOLO pieces by OG in the known canon? BR G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons
I know Matteo! Perhaps some other obscure source? G. - Original Message - From: Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Orlando Gibbons Julia doesn't cite any ... http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/appendix3.pdf M. On Wednesday 27 October 2010 23:28:25 you wrote: Dear list Does anyone know of any SOLO pieces by OG in the known canon? BR G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons
He-he, I bet they're as extermination threatened :) - Original Message - From: t...@heartistrymusic.com To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Orlando Gibbons I thought the Orlando Gibbons were a group of primates living in Florida. Do they play lutes too? Tom Dear list Does anyone know of any SOLO pieces by OG in the known canon? BR G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition
Yes thanks Chris, Affekt it was! And even today, affektiert (affected) has negative connotations in germanic languages (artificial, simulated). G. - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition Are you speaking of Affekt? Mattheson goes into great detail about the moods associated with each key, but I don't believe that this is really more a part of the baroque aesthetic and not typical of the gallant style. There is the famous story about how Baron was made to look foolish for believing in the then somewhat unfashionable (and un-gallant) idea of music's power to excite the passions directly. Chris To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition
PS. At the same time I have to say that extreme cases of use of Minor - Mayor can definitely trigger feelings of sadnes and joy respectively in me, so there has to be something in the Affekt theory... G. - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:30 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition Are you speaking of Affekt? Mattheson goes into great detail about the moods associated with each key, but I don't believe that this is really more a part of the baroque aesthetic and not typical of the gallant style. There is the famous story about how Baron was made to look foolish for believing in the then somewhat unfashionable (and un-gallant) idea of music's power to excite the passions directly. Chris To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition
I believe the standard work to be: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL7827880W/German_galant_lute_music_in_the_18th_century haven't read it myself unfortunately... G. - Original Message - From: theoj89...@aol.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Galant definition Could anyone help me understand the definition of 'Galant' music? Does it refer only to lute music, or to the period/style. What are its characteristics - if they can be summed up? Which composers would be considered most typical of Galant style? Thanks for helping a enthusiastic beginner further appreciate such a great literature. trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3211 - Release Date: 10/21/10 20:34:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: music by Count Bergen
If you install Django demo, you can get and listen to them from here: http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Autres_compositeurs/Comte_Bergen.htm G. - Original Message - From: Dale Young dyoung5...@wowway.com To: baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: music by Count Bergen I have a feeling that there may be a general lack of knowledge about his oeuvre. Perhaps if you could strum a few bars for us, it may spark a recognition. Otherwise, It may be up to you to unearth these treasures. Bergen, (Pergen) Ferdinand Graf von, Three lute suites in French tablature are preserved in the Vienna National Library, Ms. Suppl. Mus. 1078, ca 1740. Some of these lute pieces are also found in Ebenthal, Grafen Go`ss'sche Primogenitur-Fideikommiss-Bibliothek, ca. 1730-40, and in G=9Attweig, Benediktinerstiftsbibliothek, Musikarchiv, ca. 1740. ( Eitner QL II, p. 72; Pohlmann 1982, p. 38; Zuth, op. cit., p. 42.) I stole this info from a note by Per Kjetil Farstad from three years ago. Lets get Alberto Crugnola to do it. He'll record anything! Dale - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:48 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] music by Count Bergen Dear friends, maybe I expressed not precisly. I would like to ask you about any audio recordings with music by Johann Ferdinand Wilhelm Graf von Bergen? Do you know any CD's with his music? Maybe somebody is going to record new CD with this music? Grzegorz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition
Pls. correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Gallant also imply mood related to keys, i.e. direct influence on the listeners mood with the music, like f. ex. indian music claims to do? (The correct term eludes me, I really should read Farstads book! :) G. - Original Message - From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition Farstad's book is the best source for this music in reference to the lute. It includes exhaustive lists of composers, pieces and sources. More generally, there is Gjerdingen's book: http://www.amazon.com/Music-Galant-Style-Robert-Gjerdingen/dp/0195313712 I've read this book, but it is not particularly clarifying in terms of defining what gallant actually is. He describes a lot of processes, but there is little feeling that they add up in the end to a style. This is still a grey area. I don't particularly like gallant as a musical term because it is so general. In contemporary usage, it clearly had more to do with one's general habits and lifestyle than musical characteristics. Thus, Baron calls Weiss the best, most gallant composer. I think most of us would agree that Hagen is also a gallant composer. Would we really say Weiss and Hagen are writing in the same style? Would we even say that Straube's two lute sonatas and his English guittar pieces are in the same style? There is a real mixture of approaches going on from around c.1740's (and earlier) up to the classical period: high, contrapuntal baroque a la Papa Bach, a sort of easy baroque a la Scarlatti, a more overtly operatic form a la Hasse, and empfindsamer stil a la C.P.E Bach. All of these things were claimed to be gallant and one finds all of these styles happening simultaneously. I suspect that when people say gallant nowadays, they really mean the Hasse incarnation, with a florid, vocal-like line over an accompaniment that is of secondary importance, usually comprised of slow-moving harmonies and stock figurations. Lot's of triplets and Lombard rhythms! This is a tough nut to crack which has gotten too little scholarly attention. I think more people are becoming interesting in the era, but there is still a lot to be done. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Fri, 10/22/10, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Galant definition To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 9:31 AM I believe the standard work to be: http://openlibrary.org/works/OL7827880W/German_galant_lute_music_in_the_18th_century haven't read it myself unfortunately... G. - Original Message - From: theoj89...@aol.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 3:23 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Galant definition Could anyone help me understand the definition of 'Galant' music? Does it refer only to lute music, or to the period/style. What are its characteristics - if they can be summed up? Which composers would be considered most typical of Galant style? Thanks for helping a enthusiastic beginner further appreciate such a great literature. trj To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Resources
Yes, but that book is also available on sites elsewhere, f. ex. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/caroso/facsimile/ and the copy here is 30 Mb. 862 (!) pages, many of them blank. G. - Original Message - From: mc41mc mc4...@yahoo.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Resources Hi, I also noticed this: Il ballarino di M. Fabritio Caroso da Sermoneta, diuiso in due trattati m To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach again
Long shot, but does anyone know if this is available somewhere? Kohlhase, Thomas.: 'Johann Sebastian Bachs Kompositionen für Lauteninstrumente' PhD diss. Univ. of Tübingen (1972) Thanks! G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Munich 1522
Upper right corner David! PDF-download. Ja weiter or english option even :) G. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Munich 1522 On 19 October 2010 22:42, adS rainer.aus-dem-spr...@gmx.de wrote: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00050861/image_1 I can't read it but It looks like guitar tablature :) Spot on, as it says: Originaltitel: Tabulaturbuch für Guitarre ;-) Thanks for the link, Rainer! This ms. is only accessible page by page, but some can be downloaded as one big pdf. Anybody know why the difference, or do I just have to be patient? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3206 - Release Date: 10/19/10 08:34:00
[LUTE] Re: Munich 1522
Anon. Ms. ca.1660 belonging to Adelaida di Savoya (see back) Electress of Bavaria. Italian mixed tablature and alfabeto. 50 guitar solos and Italian songs. RISM B/VII, 222-3 G. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Munich 1522 On 20 October 2010 09:04, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Upper right corner David! PDF-download. Ja weiter or english option even :) Danke! 14Mb only. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3206 - Release Date: 10/19/10 08:34:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: upload
The Wonderful Uploader Strikes Again! :) Danke Liebster Berndt! G. - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de To: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Cc: baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] upload I uploaded for scientific and testudinological purposes a document we were talking about recently, PL-Wu 4142 (olim 2010). http://dl.free.fr/rEituM5II Look for the link in small letters Téléchargez ce fichier (=Download this file) Attention! One big .pdf of more than 400 MB! I wish you interesting studies and good playing! Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3203 - Release Date: 10/17/10 20:33:00
[LUTE] Re: new piece of the month
Very nice Martin IMO this has a quite some resemblance to that other VW dump O'Dette made famous KUTGW G. - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 5:34 PM Subject: [LUTE] new piece of the month With apologies for the long gap in this series, a new piece of the month has finally escaped from my music room, played on a new lute after Maler (67cm) strung entirely in gut. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm You'll want to play this piece (you'll probably also want to play the lute, but sorry it belongs to somebody else!). Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Greatful thanks to all who gave advice and help on how to try to find facsimiles of Bach's lute music in french tablature. A very kind luter sent me: BWV 995 (beautiful writing, anonymous?) BWV 997 (3 movements) and BWV 1000 (cramped tablature Weyrauch?) Could someone tell me if that is all of the available sources in tablature? I could not find ANY tablature on the suggested websites. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Nicolás Valencia nivalenl...@gmail.com To: 'G. Crona' kalei...@gmail.com; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles Dear Goran, You may find some useful information at the IMSLP/Petrucci Music Library: http://imslp.org/wiki/Lute_Pieces,_BWV_995-1000_%28Bach,_Johann_Sebastian%29 #Bach-Gesellschaft_Ausgabe.2C_1851-1899 Or at the Bach-Gesellschaft Ausgabe: http://einam.com/bach/ Regards, Nicolás -Mensaje original- De: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] En nombre de G. Crona Enviado el: viernes, 08 de octubre de 2010 02:38 Para: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Asunto: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach facsimiles Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3183 - Release Date: 10/07/10 20:34:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Dear Jean-Daniel, the tablatures I got from a kind luter seem to be the ones on this site downloadable under Tablature -- Suite (first column). The zip files when downloaded seem to be corrupted though and I couldn't open any of the zipped pdf files. Could you? G. - Original Message - From: Jean-Daniel Forget jean-daniel.for...@orange.fr To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:48 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles These are not facsimiles, but you have some french tablatures of Bach's lute music at : http://jdf.luth.pagesperso-orange.fr/Musiques/Les_compositeurs/Johann_Sebastian_Bach/*Bach_luth.htm Jean-Daniel Forget Le 09/10/10 09:31, G. Crona a écrit : Greatful thanks to all who gave advice and help on how to try to find facsimiles of Bach's lute music in french tablature. A very kind luter sent me: BWV 995 (beautiful writing, anonymous?) BWV 997 (3 movements) and BWV 1000 (cramped tablature Weyrauch?) Could someone tell me if that is all of the available sources in tablature? I could not find ANY tablature on the suggested websites. Kind regards G. - Original Message - From: Nicolás Valencia nivalenl...@gmail.com To: 'G. Crona' kalei...@gmail.com; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles Dear Goran, You may find some useful information at the IMSLP/Petrucci Music Library: http://imslp.org/wiki/Lute_Pieces,_BWV_995-1000_%28Bach,_Johann_Sebastian%29 #Bach-Gesellschaft_Ausgabe.2C_1851-1899 Or at the Bach-Gesellschaft Ausgabe: http://einam.com/bach/ Regards, Nicolás -Mensaje original- De: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] En nombre de G. Crona Enviado el: viernes, 08 de octubre de 2010 02:38 Para: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Asunto: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Bach facsimiles Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3183 - Release Date: 10/07/10 20:34:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3185 - Release Date: 10/08/10 20:34:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles
Thanks for the info David, any chance of jpg pdf or else of the facsimiles in question, at least the ones in tablature if anyone has them scanned already? Wishful Cheers G. - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bach facsimiles Dear Goran I don't know about web-availability, but a good edition with all Bach for lute is: J. S. Bach - Opere per Liuto Edizione critica di Paolo Cherici Edizioni Suvini Zerboni (Milano, 1996) Introduction, facsimiles, modern scores, alternate versions. All in one book. David On 8 October 2010 09:37, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all could you kindly point me toward the Bach lute facsimiles (especially those in tablature, but also in double clef) if available on the web as specified in this link? http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Ref/BWV995-1000-Ref.htm Kind Regards G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3183 - Release Date: 10/07/10 20:34:00
[LUTE] Re: TAB-files
From Wayne Cripps' Lute Page: The most productive professional tab users use tab by mail. They don't have to worry about setting it up on their machines and always have the latest version. a.. You can send tab source to the e-mail server, tab-s...@cs.dartmouth.edu as part of the body of your message and not as an enclosure. Be sure to go to your mail reader's settings panel and look for sending options, and send the mail as plain text. b.. You will get a postscript formatted document in the return mail. When the return mail comes, some mail readers will save the PostScript enclosure to a file for you, and you can print the file. If you mail reader does not do this you can delete the mail headers, so that the letters %!PS are the very first characters on the very first line of your file, and send it to a printer. If you are running an old version of DOS you *may* have to insert a control-D (0x4) at the beginning of the postscript file. Then you send it to your laserwriter as you do other files. c.. if the Subject line is Subject: midi-tab you will get a midi file in the return mail instead of PostScript. d.. There is a lot of spam on the net these days, and tab-by-mail gets its share! So I have had to put in some traps to catch the spam. In particular, if you send your tab source file as an enclosure it may disappear. If your tab source file does not have any bar lines it may also disappear. If you think this is happening to you let me know! - Original Message - From: Wim Loos wiml...@hotmail.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: [LUTE] TAB-files Dear friends, In several ways I tried to open and print tablatures (in Windows XP professional) downloaded as TAB-files , e.g. Ghost or installing Django. But in non of these cases I succeed. Who can give me an advise. Thanks, Wim Loos To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute tab question
In French (or English?) ren lute tab, what does a sharp sign (#) mean? A grace of some sort G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New videos from LSA 2010
Thanks Daniel I especially enjoyed the BM Duet. Nice playing! BR G - Original Message - From: Daniel F Heiman heiman.dan...@juno.com To: mathias.roe...@t-online.de Cc: sauvag...@orange.fr; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: [LUTE] New videos from LSA 2010 As long as we are on the subject of videos ... Those of you who are not regular surfers on YouTube may not yet know that there is now a Lute Society of America channel: [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/LuteSocietyofAmerica#p/u The clips there so far were all taken at the 2010 Summer Seminar and Lute Festival in Cleveland at the end of June. It is not professional footage (in fact the first video I have ever made), and I am sure no professional videographer would have tolerated the conditions in that hall. The lighting is mostly lousy and was out of my control. There is permanent hiss of undetermined origin messing up the high frequencies, and the air conditioner rumbled away through all the concerts, except that Nigel somehow managed to get it turned off. Note that all of it is captured live in concert, so there was no going back to fix imperfections in the performances with a second take. For all the caveats, I think there is something there to be enjoyed, and it presents a modest sampling of the amazing variety of wonderful music we were immersed in for a week. Stay tuned; there will be more to come. Regards, Daniel Heiman LSA Webmaster -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/LuteSocietyofAmerica#p/u To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3123 - Release Date: 09/08/10 19:41:00
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Chords for the baroque lute
WOW! Thanks so very much Ralf, this is a great disertation! Best G. - Original Message - From: Ralf Bachmann Fricke ralfbachm...@hotmail.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:00 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Chords for the baroque lute This one is for free (and nice to read/use): Texas Tech University, PhD Dissertation by Roland Hb Stearns Continuo for lutenists and guitarists: a tutor and music theory supplement http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-02262009-31295007087462/ at the bottom of the page click on [1]31295007087462.pdf Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:58:24 +0100 To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: lu...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Chords for the baroque lute I have been asked what sources there are (if any) which give a chart of chord shapes for the baroque lute, similar to the chord charts of Gaspar Sanz and others for the baroque guitar. Can anyone help? Stewart McCoy. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://etd.lib.ttu.edu/theses/available/etd-02262009-31295007087462/unrestricted/31295007087462.pdf No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release Date: 08/31/10 08:34:00
[LUTE] Re: Anton's setting of Il est bel et bon
Brown lists 1546/13 MARCANTONIO DEL PIFARO 27 E3V Chiarenzana il est bel bon. Then there's Ms. Mus 266 45v/46r 63 Il est bel et bon MD La. Couldn't find da Crema :) G. - Original Message - From: Anton Höger diwa-animat...@t-online.de To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:44 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Anton's setting of Il est bel et bon hi, I doubt, if Crema or Marco wrote an intavolation of Il est bel en bon. The only known printed intavolation is by Berberis and a Canzon sopra Il belle bon by Cavazzoni (which I published too) Anton (If anybody knows another version, please let me know) Am 08.08.2010 um 21:28 schrieb G. Crona: Not bad Stuart! I believe there are solo versions by both Marco and da Crema G. - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Anton Höger diwa-animat...@t-online.de Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Anton's setting of Il est bel et bon Here's an amateur attempt at Anton Höger's lute duo setting of the Passereau chanson. My playing is not subtle and it gets a bit messy towards the end (but it's the best take I could do!). As it stands the setting is too difficult for me and Anton kindly suggested some simplifications. It's nice piece and well set. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/beletbon.mp3 Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Anton's setting of Il est bel et bon
Not bad Stuart! I believe there are solo versions by both Marco and da Crema G. - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Anton Höger diwa-animat...@t-online.de Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Anton's setting of Il est bel et bon Here's an amateur attempt at Anton Höger's lute duo setting of the Passereau chanson. My playing is not subtle and it gets a bit messy towards the end (but it's the best take I could do!). As it stands the setting is too difficult for me and Anton kindly suggested some simplifications. It's nice piece and well set. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/beletbon.mp3 Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: cat music
Hilarious! Must be an incatnation of Debussy or Ravel! G. - Original Message - From: Hilbert Jörg hilbert.jo...@t-online.de To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: [LUTE] cat music As my lute playing sounds like cat music actually, this one is hopefully not too much off topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHgfeature=player_embedded Izn’t she mice? Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3028 - Release Date: 07/25/10 20:36:00
[LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling
Caro Franco No, your message did not come up on this list on april 13th! Do you have more details on content and publication date of the whole facsimile by now? Its been a long time coming! Tanti saluti G. - Original Message - From: franco pavan f.pava...@gmail.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling Many thanks for sharing that, I wrote this message to the lute list in April, 13th,... perhaps it did not work... Franco Pavan 2010/7/6 G. Crona [1]kalei...@gmail.com Hallo, It seems that, at last, we will have a complete fac-simile of the ms., I hope it will come before the end of 2010. The editor will be Franco Rossi, and the book will be published by Forni Editore. For now, if someone is interested, there is an edition of the pieces by Francesco da Milano included in the ms. (tablature and guitar transcription): Alberto Mesirca, FRANCESCO DA MILANO - Opere per liuto dal manoscritto di Castelfranco Veneto - Trascrizioni per chitarra Saggio Introduttivo di Franco Pavan Introduzione di Hopkinson Smith Gruppo Editoriale: URPD Unit`a di Ricerca della Parrocchia del Duomo di Castelfranco Veneto. 150 Pgg. Tipografia Cremasco S.r.l. di Castello di Godego (Treviso) I will try to write down a complete list of the ms.: inside there is music by Francesco, Joan Maria da Crema, Borrono, Bakfark, Rotta, Luis Milan (!), Gorzanis, but I have not still a full idea about the content. I suggest to write to the author to buy a copy of the book: [1]amesi...@yaho... many many greetings Franco Pavan To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 20:36:00
[LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling
OOPS! It seems your message did show up on that date! Sorry. Anyway, any more recent news? G. - Original Message - From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling Caro Franco No, your message did not come up on this list on april 13th! Do you have more details on content and publication date of the whole facsimile by now? Its been a long time coming! Tanti saluti G. - Original Message - From: franco pavan f.pava...@gmail.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling Many thanks for sharing that, I wrote this message to the lute list in April, 13th,... perhaps it did not work... Franco Pavan 2010/7/6 G. Crona [1]kalei...@gmail.com Hallo, It seems that, at last, we will have a complete fac-simile of the ms., I hope it will come before the end of 2010. The editor will be Franco Rossi, and the book will be published by Forni Editore. For now, if someone is interested, there is an edition of the pieces by Francesco da Milano included in the ms. (tablature and guitar transcription): Alberto Mesirca, FRANCESCO DA MILANO - Opere per liuto dal manoscritto di Castelfranco Veneto - Trascrizioni per chitarra Saggio Introduttivo di Franco Pavan Introduzione di Hopkinson Smith Gruppo Editoriale: URPD Unit`a di Ricerca della Parrocchia del Duomo di Castelfranco Veneto. 150 Pgg. Tipografia Cremasco S.r.l. di Castello di Godego (Treviso) I will try to write down a complete list of the ms.: inside there is music by Francesco, Joan Maria da Crema, Borrono, Bakfark, Rotta, Luis Milan (!), Gorzanis, but I have not still a full idea about the content. I suggest to write to the author to buy a copy of the book: [1]amesi...@yaho... many many greetings Franco Pavan To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 20:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 20:36:00
[LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling
Jean-Marie, have I misunderstood something? Isn't the book by Mr. Mesirca only including the Da Milano pieces? I was hoping for the whole facsimile... G. - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com; Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling Yes, I sent an email to Mr Mesirca and received the book after paying 32 euros, postage included. No problem anywhere, nice edition ! Have a go ! Thank you Franco for the heads up. Best, Jean-Marie Poirier = == En réponse au message du 09-07-2010, 10:01:16 == OOPS! It seems your message did show up on that date! Sorry. Anyway, any more recent news? G. - Original Message - From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling Caro Franco No, your message did not come up on this list on april 13th! Do you have more details on content and publication date of the whole facsimile by now? Its been a long time coming! Tanti saluti G. - Original Message - From: franco pavan f.pava...@gmail.com To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling Many thanks for sharing that, I wrote this message to the lute list in April, 13th,... perhaps it did not work... Franco Pavan 2010/7/6 G. Crona [1]kalei...@gmail.com Hallo, It seems that, at last, we will have a complete fac-simile of the ms., I hope it will come before the end of 2010. The editor will be Franco Rossi, and the book will be published by Forni Editore. For now, if someone is interested, there is an edition of the pieces by Francesco da Milano included in the ms. (tablature and guitar transcription): Alberto Mesirca, FRANCESCO DA MILANO - Opere per liuto dal manoscritto di Castelfranco Veneto - Trascrizioni per chitarra Saggio Introduttivo di Franco Pavan Introduzione di Hopkinson Smith Gruppo Editoriale: URPD Unit`a di Ricerca della Parrocchia del Duomo di Castelfranco Veneto. 150 Pgg. Tipografia Cremasco S.r.l. di Castello di Godego (Treviso) I will try to write down a complete list of the ms.: inside there is music by Francesco, Joan Maria da Crema, Borrono, Bakfark, Rotta, Luis Milan (!), Gorzanis, but I have not still a full idea about the content. I suggest to write to the author to buy a copy of the book: [1]amesi...@yaho... many many greetings Franco Pavan To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 20:36:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 20:36:00 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 20:36:00
[LUTE] NB!!! Forwarded mail found googeling
Hallo, It seems that, at last, we will have a complete fac-simile of the ms., I hope it will come before the end of 2010. The editor will be Franco Rossi, and the book will be published by Forni Editore. For now, if someone is interested, there is an edition of the pieces by Francesco da Milano included in the ms. (tablature and guitar transcription): Alberto Mesirca, FRANCESCO DA MILANO - Opere per liuto dal manoscritto di Castelfranco Veneto - Trascrizioni per chitarra Saggio Introduttivo di Franco Pavan Introduzione di Hopkinson Smith Gruppo Editoriale: URPD Unit`a di Ricerca della Parrocchia del Duomo di Castelfranco Veneto. 150 Pgg. Tipografia Cremasco S.r.l. di Castello di Godego (Treviso) I will try to write down a complete list of the ms.: inside there is music by Francesco, Joan Maria da Crema, Borrono, Bakfark, Rotta, Luis Milan (!), Gorzanis, but I have not still a full idea about the content. I suggest to write to the author to buy a copy of the book: [1]amesi...@yaho... many many greetings Franco Pavan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sringing a lute
I'm sure plenty of opinions and contentions arose in the old days too so, in that sense, we are being fairly historic and maybe as, characteristically, nerdly. Eventually you'll realize it's not a bug but a feature. hear hear G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: books of BLANK tablature
Darned! That would have been an interesting list... - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: books of BLANK tablature On Jun 22, 2010, at 7:01 AM, Brad Walton wrote: Sorry, folks, I meant books of blank tablature (not bland tablature!) ..and I was starting a list... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute sighting
Thanks for the info Ed! It seems then, that Gerard Corbiau was sticking to fact in 'Le Roi danse' - a most seeworthy but disenchantening 'lute sighting movie. G. - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com; LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 3:36 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute sighting I haven't seen the movie, but Lully was by all accounts a very powerful person and used that power. He flaunted the ban on homosexuality even though there was a death penalty for it. How could the king enforce it when his own brother was homosexual? Nothing wrong with it today, but Lully was married. This is just what I recall my brother telling me. He read a book called the Sexual lives of composers or something. Lully apparently was pushing the limits. He was scandalized by relationships with his paige. He must have had quite a temper if he was angry enough to stab himself in the foot so hard that it got infected and he died! On Jun 12, 2010, at 6:40 AM, G. Crona wrote: And was surprized at how extremely unpleasant the depiction of both Lully and the King's characters were. Was that historically correct anyone, or just dramatic freedom? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute sighting
We were discussing whether people in the past were really as nasty as they are portrayed in TLMDM. They probably were. I thought we were talking about the nastiness of Lully and Louis XIV? G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute sighting
Sean, you have to agree, they don't make many early music movies with 'that' much focus on the music as Tlmdm anymore. I watched Le Roi danse (2000) recently (why are all those EM movies french btw?) from the same director as Farinelli. And was surprized at how extremely unpleasant the depiction of both Lully and the King's characters were. Was that historically correct anyone, or just dramatic freedom? Lutes and Theorboes galore though and I believe HIP costumes, music, dance etc. Vive la France! G. - Original Message - From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute sighting I kept my eyes closed through half of that movies so I wouldn't have to watch Gerard D wringing that poor gamba's neck in time to some other piece of music! Tous les moments of that movie couldn't end soon enough. Nice music tho s On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:44 PM, wikla wrote: One comment on lutes in movies: In a many ways quite well made a movie, Tous les matins du monde, there anyhow is something that worries a theobo player: when the poor old Sainte-Colombe is playing alone his viola da gamba (viol in British, I guess...;) in his tiny cottage, you can clearly hear the theorbo playing the continuo, while there clearly none is present... Perhaps that was an image of Sainte-Colombe's hopes or imaginations? ;-) who really knows, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 08:35:00
[LUTE] Re: lute sighting
Dear Arto are you saying that people in general were more unpleasant in those days because they lived in hard times? Even the well-to-do aristocracy depicted in the movie? G. - Original Message - From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:11 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute sighting Dear Goran, I just guess that both Lully and the King were even more unpleasant than we could guess in our times... Compared to their times, we live in a heaven... And as we know, we certainly are not there... So how miserable it must have been then im their times ... Arto On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:40:51 +0200, G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com wrote: Sean, you have to agree, they don't make many early music movies with 'that' much focus on the music as Tlmdm anymore. I watched Le Roi danse (2000) recently (why are all those EM movies french btw?) from the same director as Farinelli. And was surprized at how extremely unpleasant the depiction of both Lully and the King's characters were. Was that historically correct anyone, or just dramatic freedom? Lutes and Theorboes galore though and I believe HIP costumes, music, dance etc. Vive la France! G. - Original Message - From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:13 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute sighting I kept my eyes closed through half of that movies so I wouldn't have to watch Gerard D wringing that poor gamba's neck in time to some other piece of music! Tous les moments of that movie couldn't end soon enough. Nice music tho s On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:44 PM, wikla wrote: One comment on lutes in movies: In a many ways quite well made a movie, Tous les matins du monde, there anyhow is something that worries a theobo player: when the poor old Sainte-Colombe is playing alone his viola da gamba (viol in British, I guess...;) in his tiny cottage, you can clearly hear the theorbo playing the continuo, while there clearly none is present... Perhaps that was an image of Sainte-Colombe's hopes or imaginations? ;-) who really knows, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 08:35:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2931 - Release Date: 06/11/10 08:35:00
[LUTE] Re: Prelude by Hoppy //link correction
Bravo Daniel! You should try the prelude as well, its a real little gem! Best wishes G. - Original Message - From: Daniel Shoskes kidneykut...@gmail.com To: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:09 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Prelude by Hoppy //link correction Thought I would give it a try. Even though the notes are not that difficult, keeping the rhythm and balance is a real task and makes me appreciate Hoppy's landmark recording even more. [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA1o-ZAo7u4 Danny On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Bernd Haegemann [2...@symbol4.de wrote: it has to be [3]http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/GB-Ob617_Sar.zip best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA1o-ZAo7u4 2. mailto:b...@symbol4.de 3. http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/GB-Ob617_Sar.zip 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2863 - Release Date: 05/09/10 08:26:00
[LUTE] Re: Prelude by Hoppy
- Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de It is also on the first solo CD by Claire Antonini, track 22, as Prélude by Denis Gautier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_unvOajus Not the piece in question, but a nice little clip nevertheless, especially the future luteplayers and the two Wayne Cripps tabs! :) G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
