[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
I suppose most of us are aware of the Seicento edition of Francesco's Gesammelte Lautenwerke. The content is a Ness copy, Ness order even, in french tab only. It's cheap (ring bound) and available. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness Dear Ed and all who have replied, I have 91 files measuring a total of 696 KB, so I could easily make them available through YouSendIt, which has a 100 MB limit, and David or Rob could post them on their web sites. Of course, I do not want to violate any copyright laws, and I don't know whether my French-tab version made from Arthur's Italian-tab version would do so. Even less do I want to take a chance offending Arthur, who has rendered such great services to the lute world in particular and to the music world in general. Perhaps a public forum is not the proper one in which to ask Arthur's permission, so I shall e-mail him privately. Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness Dear Stephen, Thank you for your generous offer to share these files, but I would caution for you to not do so, without direct consent of Art Ness. You say you made the Fronimo files from Art's edition, and I believe it could potentially be a copyright infringement. If you made the files from the original sources, there is no infringement. Perhaps Howard Posner could advise you on that. Art owns his work and I would not assume it is OK if he does not object. Out of legal , and more so courtesy, please get Art's permission before you distribute the files. ed At 03:27 PM 3/26/2008 -0500, Stephen Arndt wrote: David, I don't know whether I can send a folder through YouSendIt or only individual files. I am at work now, but I shall check this evening when I get home. If not, I could perhaps burn them onto a CD and mail it to you to upload. Others have mentioned the Fronimo Group and Wayne's site also. I made my own Fronimo files from Arthur Ness's work a few years ago, and I would be happy to make them publically available to others, but only so long as Arthur has no objections. So, Arthur, I know that you read this list; if you have any objections to making a Fronimo version of these pieces available, please tell me. Otherwise, I shall assume that you do not object. Thank you, Stephen -Original Message- From: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2008 2:39 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness That sounds like a great and important resource, I would be happy to host them either on my site or the new Lutes West site. You can send them to me using yousendit if you like, it is a free ftp service Also, if you upload to yousendit, the files will be available for anyone on the list for several weeks. dt At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1343 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 7:17 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
David The Seicento edition seems to come in 6 volumes, but at about 25 Euro the volume does not seem all that cheap (Unless you only have a specific set of Fantasies that you want) compared to what Luca paid for the Ness on ebay. At US $102.50 (considering the rate of the Euro to Dollar), Luca got himself a real bargain, that is, if he does not suffer from dyslexia verticalis (as I do), brought on by reading Franch and Italian tablature on the same day Here is a link to sciento, which I managed to tease out their web page, by searching information on the page. I hope it works for you http://www.seicentomusic.de/E_LUTE.html Of course, if we wait, perhaps the pages Mark is giving us through the Lute society magazine, will appear in a complete Lute Society volume. Regards Anthony Le 27 mars 08 =E0 07:31, LGS-Europe a ecrit : I suppose most of us are aware of the Seicento edition of Francesco's Gesammelte Lautenwerke. The content is a Ness copy, Ness order even, in french tab only. It's cheap (ring bound) and available. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute- cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness Dear Ed and all who have replied, I have 91 files measuring a total of 696 KB, so I could easily make them available through YouSendIt, which has a 100 MB limit, and David or Rob could post them on their web sites. Of course, I do not want to violate any copyright laws, and I don't know whether my French-tab version made from Arthur's Italian-tab version would do so. Even less do I want to take a chance offending Arthur, who has rendered such great services to the lute world in particular and to the music world in general. Perhaps a public forum is not the proper one in which to ask Arthur's permission, so I shall e-mail him privately. Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness Dear Stephen, Thank you for your generous offer to share these files, but I would caution for you to not do so, without direct consent of Art Ness. You say you made the Fronimo files from Art's edition, and I believe it could potentially be a copyright infringement. If you made the files from the original sources, there is no infringement. Perhaps Howard Posner could advise you on that. Art owns his work and I would not assume it is OK if he does not object. Out of legal , and more so courtesy, please get Art's permission before you distribute the files. ed At 03:27 PM 3/26/2008 -0500, Stephen Arndt wrote: David, I don't know whether I can send a folder through YouSendIt or only individual files. I am at work now, but I shall check this evening when I get home. If not, I could perhaps burn them onto a CD and mail it to you to upload. Others have mentioned the Fronimo Group and Wayne's site also. I made my own Fronimo files from Arthur Ness's work a few years ago, and I would be happy to make them publically available to others, but only so long as Arthur has no objections. So, Arthur, I know that you read this list; if you have any objections to making a Fronimo version of these pieces available, please tell me. Otherwise, I shall assume that you do not object. Thank you, Stephen -Original Message- From: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2008 2:39 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness That sounds like a great and important resource, I would be happy to host them either on my site or the new Lutes West site. You can send them to me using yousendit if you like, it is a free ftp service Also, if you upload to yousendit, the files will be available for anyone on the list for several weeks. dt At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
I bought a copy some years ago and i paid less than 100€ for it in a antiquarian book seller in berlin. There was a surprize in the book (i didn´t know it before): Look at http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2345788335/ Greetings Wolfgang, a proud owner! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Wolgang I just found this, in the records of Biblioth=E8que nationale de France. Charte documentaire des acquisitions. www.bnf.fr/pages/infopro/collectionspro/pdf/Charte_coll.pdf These are manuscripts received in stead of death duties, the Countess must have had quite a collection of manuscripts: Les dations ont enrichi considerablement les collections : Genevi=E8ve Thibault de Chambure en 1978 (manuscrits, recueils, editions des XVIe au XVIIIe si=E8cles), la succession Debussy-de Tinan, les manuscrits d'Henri Sauguet, la dation Francis Poulenc en 1998, la dation Andre Jolivet en 2002. Le Departement acquiert les livres de theorie musicale et les livres sur la musique. L'objectif est de completer les editions publiees en France, mais aussi de combler certaines lacunes d'editions etrang=E8res selectionnees, en raison de l'absence d'acquisitions etrang=E8res avant la creation du Departement (Allemagne, Italie, annees 1910-1940). Par exemple dans l'une des ventes de la collection de Chambure en 1995 : Stefano Pesori, Toccate de chitarriglia, Verona, ca 1650, Roland de Lassus, Jeremiae prophetae..., Paris, 1586, Giovanni Battista Bassani, La sirene amorosa, Venise, 1699 et des symphonies concertantes de Guenin et Breval =E0 la vente Mongredien en 1997. So the family paid off some death duties by giving manuscripts, etc to the Bibliot=E8que Nationale. Probably Arthur had access to these through the Countess. Presumably, her family did not have the same piorities as she did. Anthony Le 27 mars 08 =E0 17:44, wolfgang wiehe a ecrit : I bought a copy some years ago and i paid less than 100 Euro for it in a antiquarian book seller in berlin. There was a surprize in the book (i didn't know it before): Look at http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2345788335/ Greetings Wolfgang, a proud owner! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Wolgang I just found this, in the records of Biblioth=E8que nationale de France. Charte documentaire des acquisitions. These are manuscripts received in stead of death duties, the Countess must have had quite a collection of manuscripts: Les dations ont enrichi considerablement les collections : Genevi=E8ve Thibault de Chambure en 1978 (manuscrits, recueils, editions des XVIe au XVIIIe si=E8cles), la succession Debussy-de Tinan, les manuscrits d'Henri Sauguet, la dation Francis Poulenc en 1998, la dation Andre Jolivet en 2002. Le Departement acquiert les livres de theorie musicale et les livres sur la musique. L'objectif est de completer les editions publiees en France, mais aussi de combler certaines lacunes d'editions etrang=E8res selectionnees, en raison de l'absence d'acquisitions etrang=E8res avant la creation du Departement (Allemagne, Italie, annees 1910-1940). Par exemple dans l'une des ventes de la collection de Chambure en 1995 : Stefano Pesori, Toccate de chitarriglia, Verona, ca 1650, Roland de Lassus, Jeremiae prophetae..., Paris, 1586, Giovanni Battista Bassani, La sirene amorosa, Venise, 1699 et des symphonies concertantes de Guenin et Breval =E0 la vente Mongredien en 1997. www.bnf.fr/pages/infopro/collectionspro/pdf/Charte_coll.pdf So the family paid off some death duties by giving manuscripts, etc to the Bibliot=E8que Nationale. Probably Arthur had access to these through the Countess. Presumably, her family did not have the same piorities as she did. Anthony Le 27 mars 08 =E0 17:44, wolfgang wiehe a ecrit : I bought a copy some years ago and i paid less than 100 Euro for it in a antiquarian book seller in berlin. There was a surprize in the book (i didn't know it before): Look at http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2345788335/ Greetings Wolfgang, a proud owner! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Mdme Thibault was a genuine grande dame, and was very generous in letting me have access to her collection of rare books. She owned some Weiss manuscript(s?), that ca. 1507 Italian lute manuscript, the only known photostat of Spincino (the original was since discovered in Cracow), and the only known copy of Francesco's 1548 Casteliono print (Libro II). That print was the first edition and contains some of Francesco's most mature works, Nos. 55-66. In fact (I didn't know it at the time) she gave me exclusive access to it. I guess she liked my work.g I had to send samples before she let me use it. She was also a fine musicologist. I had heard that after her death there were some disputes over the disposition of her rare books. And for many years their whereabouts was unknown. Afterall they were very valuable in terms of $$$. She had a Dowland third book of ayres that recently sold for $15,000. And there were rumors of the heirs fighting over the books. Even when the rare books went to the BNF, some items were apparently held back, and appeared on the auction block (e.g, the Dowland). And less rare things were sold on the antiquarian market. And I am particularly happy that Wolfgang has that special copy. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= Free Download of the Week Wagner's Siegfried Idyll performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher Seaman, conductor. For this week's free download from Classical Music Library go to my web page and click on Alexander Street Press link: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ === - Original Message - From: Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness | Wolgang | I just found this, in the records of Biblioth=E8que nationale de | France. Charte documentaire des acquisitions. | www.bnf.fr/pages/infopro/collectionspro/pdf/Charte_coll.pdf | | These are manuscripts received in stead of death duties, the Countess | must have had quite a collection of manuscripts: | | Les dations ont enrichi considerablement les collections : Genevi=E8ve | Thibault de Chambure en 1978 | (manuscrits, recueils, editions des XVIe au XVIIIe si=E8cles), la | succession Debussy-de Tinan, les manuscrits | d'Henri Sauguet, la dation Francis Poulenc en 1998, la dation Andre | Jolivet en 2002. | | Le Departement acquiert les livres de theorie musicale et les livres | sur la musique. L'objectif est de completer | les editions publiees en France, mais aussi de combler certaines | lacunes d'editions etrang=E8res selectionnees, en | raison de l'absence d'acquisitions etrang=E8res avant la creation du | Departement (Allemagne, Italie, annees | 1910-1940). Par exemple dans l'une des ventes de la collection de | Chambure en 1995 : Stefano Pesori, | Toccate de chitarriglia, Verona, ca 1650, Roland de Lassus, Jeremiae | prophetae..., Paris, 1586, Giovanni Battista | Bassani, La sirene amorosa, Venise, 1699 et des symphonies | concertantes de Guenin et Breval =E0 la vente | Mongredien en 1997. | | So the family paid off some death duties by giving manuscripts, etc | to the Bibliot=E8que Nationale. | Probably Arthur had access to these through the Countess. | Presumably, her family did not have the same piorities as she did. | | Anthony | | | | Le 27 mars 08 =E0 17:44, wolfgang wiehe a ecrit : | | | I bought a copy some years ago and i paid less than 100 Euro for it in a | antiquarian book seller in berlin. There was a surprize in the book (i | didn't know it before): | Look at | http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2345788335/ | Greetings | Wolfgang, a proud owner! | | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html | | | -- |
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
I do concur, Luca ! Jean-Marie === 26-03-2008 14:51:14 === Dear friends, it's crazy. I cannot figure out why a decent 2nd edition could not be re-issued! I bought in the US the copy auctioned on eBay last week and ended up paying: - US$ 102,50 for the book - US$ 36 for USPS Shipping (rather expensive, isn't it?) - EUR 14 in Western Union commissions (the seller doesn'a ccept PayPal and I cannot blame him...), in US$ is about another 22 bucks. Total: more than US$ 160 If there is a continuous market for this edition (and we all know there IS), it would be nice to *FINALLY* see a reprint. Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 26-03-2008
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Luca At least you may be relieved that this one does not seem to actually exist. It disappeared almost on the instant Peter mentionned it. I would have bid also for your ebay copy. I was looking for an American address that I could have had it sent to, they would not post it to Europe. Had I bid, it would have been even more expensive, for either of us. This is not the only work that is in this peculiar state. The VAUDRY DE SAIZENAY manuscript has been announced as a froth coming reprint for the last four years. It is of similar status as the Ness, to Baroque musicians, but everyone is having to settle for photocopies. I wrote to Minkoff about it but got no reply whatever. Regards Anthony Le 26 mars 08 à 14:51, Luca Manassero a écrit : Dear friends, it's crazy. I cannot figure out why a decent 2nd edition could not be re-issued! I bought in the US the copy auctioned on eBay last week and ended up paying: - US$ 102,50 for the book - US$ 36 for USPS Shipping (rather expensive, isn't it?) - EUR 14 in Western Union commissions (the seller doesn'a ccept PayPal and I cannot blame him...), in US$ is about another 22 bucks. Total: more than US$ 160 If there is a continuous market for this edition (and we all know there IS), it would be nice to *FINALLY* see a reprint. Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Anthony, it would have been nice to bid against each other ;-) But this is the ridiculous part of this story: for all what we are writing, there is a market out there. Somebody just needs to take it... I still believe the net could change a number of things. There are already a good number of fac simile on the net and I imagine in this situation they will continue to grow. Best, Luca Anthony Hind on 26-03-2008 15:53 wrote: Luca At least you may be relieved that this one does not seem to actually exist. It disappeared almost on the instant Peter mentionned it. I would have bid also for your ebay copy. I was looking for an American address that I could have had it sent to, they would not post it to Europe. Had I bid, it would have been even more expensive, for either of us. This is not the only work that is in this peculiar state. The VAUDRY DE SAIZENAY manuscript has been announced as a froth coming reprint for the last four years. It is of similar status as the Ness, to Baroque musicians, but everyone is having to settle for photocopies. I wrote to Minkoff about it but got no reply whatever. Regards Anthony Le 26 mars 08 à 14:51, Luca Manassero a écrit : Dear friends, it's crazy. I cannot figure out why a decent 2nd edition could not be re-issued! I bought in the US the copy auctioned on eBay last week and ended up paying: - US$ 102,50 for the book - US$ 36 for USPS Shipping (rather expensive, isn't it?) - EUR 14 in Western Union commissions (the seller doesn'a ccept PayPal and I cannot blame him...), in US$ is about another 22 bucks. Total: more than US$ 160 If there is a continuous market for this edition (and we all know there IS), it would be nice to *FINALLY* see a reprint. Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
-- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Perhaps, in the absence of a web site that individuals e-mail you and you reply with the fronimo file as an attachment. Regards N -Original Message- From: Stephen Arndt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 March 2008 20:33 To: Lute List; Rob MacKillop Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
That sounds like a great and important resource, I would be happy to host them either on my site or the new Lutes West site. You can send them to me using yousendit if you like, it is a free ftp service Also, if you upload to yousendit, the files will be available for anyone on the list for several weeks. dt At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Dear Stephen, If you zipped the files, you would only be sending one. Yours, Tony - Original Message - From: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness David, I don't know whether I can send a folder through YouSendIt or only individual files. I am at work now, but I shall check this evening when I get home. If not, I could perhaps burn them onto a CD and mail it to you to upload. Others have mentioned the Fronimo Group and Wayne's site also. I made my own Fronimo files from Arthur Ness's work a few years ago, and I would be happy to make them publically available to others, but only so long as Arthur has no objections. So, Arthur, I know that you read this list; if you have any objections to making a Fronimo version of these pieces available, please tell me. Otherwise, I shall assume that you do not object. Thank you, Stephen -Original Message- From: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2008 2:39 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness That sounds like a great and important resource, I would be happy to host them either on my site or the new Lutes West site. You can send them to me using yousendit if you like, it is a free ftp service Also, if you upload to yousendit, the files will be available for anyone on the list for several weeks. dt At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Dear Stephen, Thank you for your generous offer to share these files, but I would caution for you to not do so, without direct consent of Art Ness. You say you made the Fronimo files from Art's edition, and I believe it could potentially be a copyright infringement. If you made the files from the original sources, there is no infringement. Perhaps Howard Posner could advise you on that. Art owns his work and I would not assume it is OK if he does not object. Out of legal , and more so courtesy, please get Art's permission before you distribute the files. ed At 03:27 PM 3/26/2008 -0500, Stephen Arndt wrote: David, I don't know whether I can send a folder through YouSendIt or only individual files. I am at work now, but I shall check this evening when I get home. If not, I could perhaps burn them onto a CD and mail it to you to upload. Others have mentioned the Fronimo Group and Wayne's site also. I made my own Fronimo files from Arthur Ness's work a few years ago, and I would be happy to make them publically available to others, but only so long as Arthur has no objections. So, Arthur, I know that you read this list; if you have any objections to making a Fronimo version of these pieces available, please tell me. Otherwise, I shall assume that you do not object. Thank you, Stephen -Original Message- From: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2008 2:39 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness That sounds like a great and important resource, I would be happy to host them either on my site or the new Lutes West site. You can send them to me using yousendit if you like, it is a free ftp service Also, if you upload to yousendit, the files will be available for anyone on the list for several weeks. dt At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1343 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 7:17 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness
Dear Ed and all who have replied, I have 91 files measuring a total of 696 KB, so I could easily make them available through YouSendIt, which has a 100 MB limit, and David or Rob could post them on their web sites. Of course, I do not want to violate any copyright laws, and I don't know whether my French-tab version made from Arthur's Italian-tab version would do so. Even less do I want to take a chance offending Arthur, who has rendered such great services to the lute world in particular and to the music world in general. Perhaps a public forum is not the proper one in which to ask Arthur's permission, so I shall e-mail him privately. Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness Dear Stephen, Thank you for your generous offer to share these files, but I would caution for you to not do so, without direct consent of Art Ness. You say you made the Fronimo files from Art's edition, and I believe it could potentially be a copyright infringement. If you made the files from the original sources, there is no infringement. Perhaps Howard Posner could advise you on that. Art owns his work and I would not assume it is OK if he does not object. Out of legal , and more so courtesy, please get Art's permission before you distribute the files. ed At 03:27 PM 3/26/2008 -0500, Stephen Arndt wrote: David, I don't know whether I can send a folder through YouSendIt or only individual files. I am at work now, but I shall check this evening when I get home. If not, I could perhaps burn them onto a CD and mail it to you to upload. Others have mentioned the Fronimo Group and Wayne's site also. I made my own Fronimo files from Arthur Ness's work a few years ago, and I would be happy to make them publically available to others, but only so long as Arthur has no objections. So, Arthur, I know that you read this list; if you have any objections to making a Fronimo version of these pieces available, please tell me. Otherwise, I shall assume that you do not object. Thank you, Stephen -Original Message- From: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2008 2:39 PM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness That sounds like a great and important resource, I would be happy to host them either on my site or the new Lutes West site. You can send them to me using yousendit if you like, it is a free ftp service Also, if you upload to yousendit, the files will be available for anyone on the list for several weeks. dt At 01:32 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote: I have all the Ricercars and Fantasias in French tab using Fronimo. Unfortunately, each one is a separate Fronimo file. I would certainly be willing to make it available if I can find a technical way of doing so. (I don't have a web site.) Stephen Arndt - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Mar 2008 17:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Buying Francesco da Milano - Ness To: Luca Manassero [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Wheeler has been putting the complete Milano into French tablature for the English Lute Societyt. It has appeared in installments in Lute News these last few issues. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1343 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 7:17 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
