[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-11 Thread David van Ooijen
   Completely OT. Years ago I had a gig in Tehran, and when I
   wasA studyingA archlute in myA hotel room I hear guitar playing in the
   room next to me. It turned out to be Lily. Chance encounter.A On that
   same trip I played with tar and setar players. A few more frets indeed
   ... I Have a small instrument at home now, also a mutli fretted saz,
   and boy do I get lost on those necks!

   David
   On Saturday, April 11, 2015, Dan Winheld [1]dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:

 Good thing about the lute; gut frets can easily be removed, or
 added. Might drive yourself crazy tying in quarter tone frets, but
 such things have been done. Lily Afshar, Iranian classical
 guitarist, had some quarter tone frets added to one of her guitars
 at certain strategic spots.
 Dan
 On 4/10/2015 4:51 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:

 Paulo Galvao had an arrangement of something of the sort for oud and
 lute duo, 10 or so years ago.
 Otherwise I'd say the idea of arranging microtonal fretless music
 for a diatonic fretted instrument is just implausible.
 RT
 A On 4/10/2015 7:09 AM, Messina Calogero wrote:

 A  A  Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today
 on the Oud
 A  A  De : Ron Andrico [mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com]
 A  A  Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
 A  A  A : Messina Calogero; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A  Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...
 A  A  Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is
 apparently an
 A  A  Arabic tune.
 A  A  RA
 A  A   Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
 A  A   To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A   From: [2]messina.calog...@free.fr
 A  A   Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
 A  A  
 A  A   Bonjour `a tous,
 A  A   Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some
 important
 A  A  Arab
 A  A   Oud music were made ?
 A  A   Best regards
 A  A   Lino
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Ron Andrico
   Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is apparently an
   Arabic tune.
   RA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: messina.calog...@free.fr
Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
   
Bonjour `a tous,
Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some important
   Arab
Oud music were made ?
Best regards
Lino
   
   
   
   
   
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Messina Calogero
   Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today on the Oud



   De : Ron Andrico [mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com]
   Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
   A : Messina Calogero; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...


   Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is apparently an
   Arabic tune.
   RA

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: [2]messina.calog...@free.fr
Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
   
Bonjour `a tous,
Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some important
   Arab
Oud music were made ?
Best regards
Lino
   
   
   
   
   
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
Paulo Galvao had an arrangement of something of the sort for oud and 
lute duo, 10 or so years ago.
Otherwise I'd say the idea of arranging microtonal fretless music for a 
diatonic fretted instrument is just implausible.

RT


 On 4/10/2015 7:09 AM, Messina Calogero wrote:

Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today on the Oud



De : Ron Andrico [mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com]
Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
A : Messina Calogero; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...


Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is apparently an
Arabic tune.
RA

 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
 To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: [2]messina.calog...@free.fr
 Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...

 Bonjour `a tous,
 Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some important
Arab
 Oud music were made ?
 Best regards
 Lino





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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
   not that I know of, most arabic music, except Andalucian Algerian and
   Morrocan music uses quarter tones. A lot of arabic music is transmitted
   orally. the one that is written uses regular notation with special flat
   and sharps characters to indicate the quarter tones.
   Here is a site for traditional Andalucian Algerian music (in french) ,
   this music is transmitted orally, but some scholars have started doing
   transcriptions in regular notation, but bear in mind that the
   transcriptions are only an approximation as each region and musician
   has their own way of interpreting the music.
   [1]http://yafil.free.fr/partition.htm
   I also recommend this site for traditional Arabic music
   [2]http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs%20Notati
   ons2.htm
   Bruno

   2015-04-10 7:09 GMT-04:00 Messina Calogero
   [3]messina.calog...@free.fr:

 A  A Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today on
 the Oud
 A  A De : Ron Andrico [mailto:[4]praelu...@hotmail.com]
 A  A Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
 A  A A : Messina Calogero; [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...
 A  A Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is
 apparently an
 A  A Arabic tune.
 A  A RA
 A  A  Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
 A  A  To: [1][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A  From: [2][7]messina.calog...@free.fr
 A  A  Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
 A  A 
 A  A  Bonjour `a tous,
 A  A  Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some
 important
 A  A Arab
 A  A  Oud music were made ?
 A  A  Best regards
 A  A  Lino
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A  ---
 A  A  Ce courrier electronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel
 A  A malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est
 active.
 A  A  [3][8]http://www.avast.com
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A 
 A  A  To get on or off this list see list information at
 A  A  [4][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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 active.
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 References
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 A  A 2. mailto:[11]messina.calog...@free.fr
 A  A 3. [12]http://www.avast.com/
 A  A 4. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A 5. [14]http://www.avast.com/
 A  A 6. [15]http://www.avast.com/

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   2. 
http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs%20Notations2.htm
   3. mailto:messina.calog...@free.fr
   4. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
   5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. mailto:messina.calog...@free.fr
   8. http://www.avast.com/
   9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  10. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  11. mailto:messina.calog...@free.fr
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  13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  14. http://www.avast.com/
  15. http://www.avast.com/



[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Christopher Wilke

   Nigel North, in his liner notes, posits that Weiss's L'Infidele
   sonata was composed with the Ottoman siege of Vienna in mind. He claims
   that the augmented intervals in the musette and minuet are references
   to Arabic music. I'm not sure I buy that aurally. However, Weiss was
   certainly employed by the Sobieski house in Rome and it was Jan
   Sobieski who had previously lead the army that broke the Ottoman siege.
   And by pure coincidence (???), the lead advertising agency that does
   promotion for the Sobieski vodka company today is called Marty Weiss
   and Friends. Don't ask me how I know that.
   Chris
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 At Apr 10, 2015, 8:21:34 AM, Bruno
 Cognyl-Fournier'fournier...@gmail.com' wrote:

   not that I know of, most arabic music, except Andalucian Algerian and
   Morrocan music uses quarter tones. A lot of arabic music is transmitted
   orally. the one that is written uses regular notation with special flat
   and sharps characters to indicate the quarter tones.
   Here is a site for traditional Andalucian Algerian music (in french) ,
   this music is transmitted orally, but some scholars have started doing
   transcriptions in regular notation, but bear in mind that the
   transcriptions are only an approximation as each region and musician
   has their own way of interpreting the music.
   [1][2]http://yafil.free.fr/partition.htm
   I also recommend this site for traditional Arabic music
   [2][3]http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs%20Not
   ati
   ons2.htm
   Bruno
   2015-04-10 7:09 GMT-04:00 Messina Calogero
   [3][4]messina.calog...@free.fr:
   A A Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today on
   the Oud
   A A De : Ron Andrico [mailto:[4][5]praelu...@hotmail.com]
   A A Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
   A A A : Messina Calogero; [5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A A Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...
   A A Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is
   apparently an
   A A Arabic tune.
   A A RA
   A A  Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
   A A  To: [1][6][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A A  From: [2][7][8]messina.calog...@free.fr
   A A  Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
   A A 
   A A  Bonjour `a tous,
   A A  Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some
   important
   A A Arab
   A A  Oud music were made ?
   A A  Best regards
   A A  Lino
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A  ---
   A A  Ce courrier electronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel
   A A malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est
   active.
   A A  [3][8][9]http://www.avast.com
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A  To get on or off this list see list information at
   A A  [4][9][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   A A
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   A A Ce courrier electronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel
   A A malveillant parce que la protection [6]Antivirus avast! est
   active.
   A A --
   References
   A A 1. mailto:[10][11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A A 2. mailto:[11][12]messina.calog...@free.fr
   A A 3. [12][13]http://www.avast.com/
   A A 4. [13][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   A A 5. [14][15]http://www.avast.com/
   A A 6. [15][16]http://www.avast.com/
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   1. [17]http://yafil.free.fr/partition.htm
   2.
   [18]http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs%20Notat
   ions2.htm
   3. mailto:[19]messina.calog...@free.fr
   4. mailto:[20]praelu...@hotmail.com
   5. mailto:[21]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:[22]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. mailto:[23]messina.calog...@free.fr
   8. [24]http://www.avast.com/
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   10. mailto:[26]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   11. mailto:[27]messina.calog...@free.fr
   12. [28]http://www.avast.com/
   13. [29]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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   15. [31]http://www.avast.com/

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  15. http://www.avast.com/
  16. http://www.avast.com/
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Geoff Gaherty

On 2015-04-10 8:55 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote:

However, Weiss was
certainly employed by the Sobieski house in Rome and it was Jan
Sobieski who had previously lead the army that broke the Ottoman siege.


As a lutenist and astronomer I'm always interested in links between my 
two loves.  The constellation Scutum, just north of Scorpius, was 
originally called Scutum Sobieski, which means Sobieski's Shield, by 
Johannes Hevelius in 1684 in reference to Jan III Sobieski's victory at 
the Battle of Vienna the previous year.  Jan III died in 1696. 
Interesting that Hevelius realized only a year after it happened how 
significant this battle was.  Hevelius himself, in his day job was mayor 
of Gdansk, so there was undoubtedly a political motive in naming a 
constellation after Sobieski!


Weiss was born in 1687, the year Hevelius died, and died in 1750.

Geoff

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Coldwater, Ontario, Canada
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Messina Calogero
Thanks you all, a lot of interesting infos
Bruno, your site is what I'm looking for
Best regards
Lino


-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de Christopher Wilke
Envoyé : vendredi 10 avril 2015 14:56
À : messina.calog...@free.fr
Cc : praelu...@hotmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Silly question...


   Nigel North, in his liner notes, posits that Weiss's L'Infidele
   sonata was composed with the Ottoman siege of Vienna in mind. He claims
   that the augmented intervals in the musette and minuet are references
   to Arabic music. I'm not sure I buy that aurally. However, Weiss was
   certainly employed by the Sobieski house in Rome and it was Jan
   Sobieski who had previously lead the army that broke the Ottoman siege.
   And by pure coincidence (???), the lead advertising agency that does
   promotion for the Sobieski vodka company today is called Marty Weiss
   and Friends. Don't ask me how I know that.
   Chris
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 At Apr 10, 2015, 8:21:34 AM, Bruno
 Cognyl-Fournier'fournier...@gmail.com' wrote:

   not that I know of, most arabic music, except Andalucian Algerian and
   Morrocan music uses quarter tones. A lot of arabic music is transmitted
   orally. the one that is written uses regular notation with special flat
   and sharps characters to indicate the quarter tones.
   Here is a site for traditional Andalucian Algerian music (in french) ,
   this music is transmitted orally, but some scholars have started doing
   transcriptions in regular notation, but bear in mind that the
   transcriptions are only an approximation as each region and musician
   has their own way of interpreting the music.
   [1][2]http://yafil.free.fr/partition.htm
   I also recommend this site for traditional Arabic music
   [2][3]http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs%20Not
   ati
   ons2.htm
   Bruno
   2015-04-10 7:09 GMT-04:00 Messina Calogero
   [3][4]messina.calog...@free.fr:
   A A Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today on
   the Oud
   A A De : Ron Andrico [mailto:[4][5]praelu...@hotmail.com]
   A A Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
   A A A : Messina Calogero; [5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A A Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...
   A A Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is
   apparently an
   A A Arabic tune.
   A A RA
   A A  Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
   A A  To: [1][6][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A A  From: [2][7][8]messina.calog...@free.fr
   A A  Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
   A A 
   A A  Bonjour `a tous,
   A A  Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some
   important
   A A Arab
   A A  Oud music were made ?
   A A  Best regards
   A A  Lino
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A  ---
   A A  Ce courrier electronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel
   A A malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est
   active.
   A A  [3][8][9]http://www.avast.com
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A 
   A A  To get on or off this list see list information at
   A A  [4][9][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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   A A Ce courrier electronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel
   A A malveillant parce que la protection [6]Antivirus avast! est
   active.
   A A --
   References
   A A 1. mailto:[10][11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A A 2. mailto:[11][12]messina.calog...@free.fr
   A A 3. [12][13]http://www.avast.com/
   A A 4. [13][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   A A 5. [14][15]http://www.avast.com/
   A A 6. [15][16]http://www.avast.com/
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   2.
   [18]http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs%20Notat
   ions2.htm
   3. mailto:[19]messina.calog...@free.fr
   4. mailto:[20]praelu...@hotmail.com
   5. mailto:[21]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:[22]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. mailto:[23]messina.calog...@free.fr
   8. [24]http://www.avast.com/
   9. [25]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   10. mailto:[26]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   11. mailto:[27]messina.calog...@free.fr
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Helen Atkinson
   For anyone who hasn't come across the wonderful collaboration of Jacob
   Heringman and Adel Salameh, here's a link:
   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRG_zeKPPJ0
   Helen

   On 10 April 2015 at 15:44, Messina Calogero
   [2]messina.calog...@free.fr wrote:

 Thanks you all, a lot of interesting infos
 Bruno, your site is what I'm looking for
 Best regards
 Lino
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 [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
 de Christopher Wilke
 EnvoyA(c)A : vendredi 10 avril 2015 14:56
 AA : [5]messina.calog...@free.fr
 CcA : [6]praelu...@hotmail.com; [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 ObjetA : [LUTE] Re: Silly question...
 A  A Nigel North, in his liner notes, posits that Weiss's
 L'Infidele
 A  A sonata was composed with the Ottoman siege of Vienna in mind.
 He claims
 A  A that the augmented intervals in the musette and minuet are
 references
 A  A to Arabic music. I'm not sure I buy that aurally. However,
 Weiss was
 A  A certainly employed by the Sobieski house in Rome and it was Jan
 A  A Sobieski who had previously lead the army that broke the
 Ottoman siege.

   A  A And by pure coincidence (???), the lead advertising agency that
   does
   A  A promotion for the Sobieski vodka company today is called Marty
   Weiss
   A  A and Friends. Don't ask me how I know that.
   A  A Chris
   A  A [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
   A  A  A At Apr 10, 2015, 8:21:34 AM, Bruno
   A  A  A Cognyl-Fournier'[8]fournier...@gmail.com' wrote:
   A  A not that I know of, most arabic music, except Andalucian Algerian
   and
   A  A Morrocan music uses quarter tones. A lot of arabic music is
   transmitted
   A  A orally. the one that is written uses regular notation with special
   flat
   A  A and sharps characters to indicate the quarter tones.
   A  A Here is a site for traditional Andalucian Algerian music (in
   french) ,
   A  A this music is transmitted orally, but some scholars have started
   doing
   A  A transcriptions in regular notation, but bear in mind that the
   A  A transcriptions are only an approximation as each region and
   musician
   A  A has their own way of interpreting the music.
   A  A [1][2][9]http://yafil.free.fr/partition.htm
   A  A I also recommend this site for traditional Arabic music
   A
   A [2][3][10]http://www.classicalarabicmusic.com/Um%20Kalthoum's%20Songs
   %20Not
   A  A ati
   A  A ons2.htm
   A  A Bruno
   A  A 2015-04-10 7:09 GMT-04:00 Messina Calogero
   A  A [3][4][11]messina.calog...@free.fr:
   A  A A A Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today
   on
   A  A the Oud
   A  A A A De : Ron Andrico [mailto:[4][5][12]praelu...@hotmail.com]
   A  A A A Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
   A  A A A A : Messina Calogero; [5][6][13]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A  A A A Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...
   A  A A A Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is
   A  A apparently an
   A  A A A Arabic tune.
   A  A A A RA
   A  A A A  Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
   A  A A A  To: [1][6][7][14]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   A  A A A  From: [2][7][8][15]messina.calog...@free.fr
   A  A A A  Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...
   A  A A A 
   A  A A A  Bonjour `a tous,
   A  A A A  Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some
   A  A important
   A  A A A Arab
   A  A A A  Oud music were made ?
   A  A A A  Best regards
   A  A A A  Lino
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[LUTE] Re: Silly question...

2015-04-10 Thread Dan Winheld
Good thing about the lute; gut frets can easily be removed, or added. 
Might drive yourself crazy tying in quarter tone frets, but such things 
have been done. Lily Afshar, Iranian classical guitarist, had some 
quarter tone frets added to one of her guitars at certain strategic spots.


Dan

On 4/10/2015 4:51 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
Paulo Galvao had an arrangement of something of the sort for oud and 
lute duo, 10 or so years ago.
Otherwise I'd say the idea of arranging microtonal fretless music for 
a diatonic fretted instrument is just implausible.

RT


 On 4/10/2015 7:09 AM, Messina Calogero wrote:
Thanks Ron, but I meant the kind of music played still today on 
the Oud




De : Ron Andrico [mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com]
Envoye : vendredi 10 avril 2015 13:03
A : Messina Calogero; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Objet : RE: [LUTE] Silly question...


Caldibi Castigliano, the first piece in Dalza,1508, is apparently an
Arabic tune.
RA

 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:51 +0200
 To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: [2]messina.calog...@free.fr
 Subject: [LUTE] Silly question...

 Bonjour `a tous,
 Anyone know if transcriptions/adaptations for luth of some 
important

Arab
 Oud music were made ?
 Best regards
 Lino





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