Re: Creating an Index

[Helge Hafting]

John O'Gorman wrote:


I am embarking on creating an index for a manual of about 200 pages
(written in LyX of course).

I studied up all the advice I could find, and as a result set out to
produce a list of all the unique words in the book.
 


There are plenty of word you don't want to index. The should be
an obvious one.  I.e. don't index anything that you really expect the
reader to know already.

Seeing that it is a manual, limit your indexing further to only
words and concepts relevant to whatever the manual is about.


Alas it came to over 3000 words. Even going through and removing the
little works like and, the, but, etc would be an enormous and tedious
task.
 


Sure, making an index is a big job.  Expect to spend some time
if you want it to be good.  I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.

Also, whenever you put something in the index, think:
1. Is this word/concept something readers of this manual actually
might want to look up?  You don't have to index something just
because you wrote about it.  Only index it if it is likely to be looked for.
Would you look for that word?

2. Assuming the answer to the previous question is yes, don't fall in the
trap of indexing every occurence of that word.  Sure - a computer can
easily do just that for you - and the approach is so wrong. When you
look for something, do you want to see:

concept, 1,3,5,9,12-47,54,66-97,180,182,190-196

It is not very likely that you're going to look up all that, is it?
My publisher told me to only index the most important places
a word is used, because that is where people need to be directed.
Only one to three indices for any given word, they said.  A manual
might be different from a textbook of course.  But still, make sure
you point them to useful places.  Such as the definition of/main chapter on
concept and such.  If concept is also mentioned briefly in sentences
such as also see concept in chapter xx then you definitely don't want
an index entry to point there.
Also, if there is a chapter or big section on concept, just index the 
start

of it.  concept may be mentioned several times in that text over several
pages - indexing all of it does not make sense.  People will want to
be directed to the start - the index is normally _not_ for documenting
every occurence of some word.

Helge Hafting

Lyxpipe?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Hallo zusammen,

ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
was ist die Lyx-pipe? Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
Rechner nicht.

Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
Literaturverzeichnisses natbib mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
Zitatangabe im Text:
   (author?) [1, S. 223]
Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
   [2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
Eckenhagen, 1953.

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Re: I need workaround of encoding problem

[Marcelo Acuña]

  I can't to use spellchecker. Accented letters
  and ñ, Ñ are not recognized by ispell, aspell.
  I try to use ispell from command line but
  I can't said nothing to ispell about char
  enconding.
 
 aspell -c --encoding=iso8859-1 filename.lyx

With this encoding are ok but
this no work well for me.
With aspell and ispell from command line
word are read break in several times
like this:

En la mañana del 16 de dici
embre de 1793 ...

diciembre (December) appears break
and is not recognized.
Aspell, and ispell, read dici first,
not in dictionary, then read embre,
again not en dictionary.
This, plus a lot of latex and lyx command
make the work very dificult.
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Re: I need workaround of encoding problem

[Marcelo Acuña]

 I can't to use spellchecker. Accented letters
 and ñ, Ñ are not recognized by ispell, aspell.

 Common problem for unicode users, because
 lyx doesn't support unicode.  That cause trouble
 when the spellchekcer expects unicode while lyx
 gives it iso8859 encoded text.
 Here's what I do:
 1. Start an xterm or similiar command line
 2. Figure out what LANG setting you have, like this:
 echo $LANG

with this nothing is show.
 
 I get nb_NO.UTF-8, you probably have something else.
 Change to a LANG without the UTF-8 part. In my case:
 export LANG=nb_NO
 
export LANG=es_ES

 Then run lyx from the same xterm, so it uses the
 modified  language.  You should still get the lyx
 GUI in your language, assuming it is translated.
 And now the spellchecker works too. :-)
No work for me :-(
Lyx 1.4.0pre appears without menu, only
a icon bar, I clicked icon for file open
and, choose my file (saved with 1.4.0pre)
and I get error in conversion.
Then I open with lyx (from icon),
deleted list of fig,
repeat process and when I open the file
lyx go out (aborted) with an error message.

 Fixing this is planned for lyx 1.5.0, which will
 have unicode support.
 Helge Hafting
 
Which is the date when You expect lyx 1.5.0 will be
released?

Marcelo






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Re: Lyxpipe?

[Georg Baum]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:

 Hallo zusammen,
 
 ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

The language of this list is englsh, so I'll answer in english.

 Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
 was ist die Lyx-pipe? Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
 richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
 Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
 externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
 Rechner nicht.

The LyX pipe is not available on windows. See
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXServer for an explanation what you can do with
it.

 Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
 gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
 Literaturverzeichnisses natbib mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
 Zitatangabe im Text:
(author?) [1, S. 223]
 Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
[2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
 Eckenhagen, 1953.

This is a completely different problem. You can insert citations also
without the LyX pipe. See http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/BibTeX for BibTeX
related information.


Georg

lyx 1.4.0pre minor problems

[Marcelo Acuña]

hi,
I have minor problems, they are:
1) cursor is too thin, is dificult to see.
2) repeat keyboard rate is too slow, (rest of
aplication without changes, I only install lyx 1.4)
3) mouse wheel is to slow, I changed parameter in
preferences but this no work ok.
4) I lost feature: in paragraph settings I can´t find
skip spaces for before and after. This feature was
present in 1.3.6.
(I have suse 9.3.)

Marcelo





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Re: Lyxpipe?

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
 Hallo zusammen,

Hello (this is an English writing list).

 ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

 Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
 was ist die Lyx-pipe? 

Basically, it's the interface which is used for communication of LyX with 
external programs. For instance, JabRef can pass citations directly to LyX 
that way.

 Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
 richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
 Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
 externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
 Rechner nicht.

AFAIK Windows does not feature pipes (except if you are using cygwin).

 Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
 gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
 Literaturverzeichnisses natbib mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
 Zitatangabe im Text:
    (author?) [1, S. 223]
 Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
    [2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
 Eckenhagen, 1953.

If you are using LyX's own citation dialog, the pipe is not needed. This is a 
different problem (probably LaTeX does not find your bib file?)

HTH,
Jürgen

side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Nusret BALCI]

Hi all, 
Will it be possible to install LyX 1.4 alongside 1.3.7
when it's released? Thank you!

nusret

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Re: lyx 1.4.0pre minor problems

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 13:36, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
 4) I lost feature: in paragraph settings I can´t find
 skip spaces for before and after. This feature was
 present in 1.3.6.

  Hi Marcelo,
this is present but elsewhere, search for Insert-Special 
Character-Vertical 
Space

 (I have suse 9.3.)

 Marcelo

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RE: Creating an Index

[Jack M. Lyon]

Helge Hafting wrote:

 the index is normally _not_ for documenting
 every occurence of some word.

Amen.

How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:

 I did it the other way around, I
 read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
 I came across.

Sorry if this sounds like a plug--I really mean it as a suggested
addition to LyX--but you might look at my indexing add-in for MS Word as
a model for what could be done in LyX:

http://www.editorium.com/dexter.htm

Indexing is done, by hand, in a sortable table. After the entries are
finished, they're embedded in the document.

For LyX, it might be possible to do this even more elegantly, by showing
the generated index every time the document is generated with LaTeX, or,
better still, by showing it (updated) in the LyX UI every time an index
entry is added to or modified in the table.

It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Jack M. Lyon
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 -Original Message-
 From: Helge Hafting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:19 AM
 To: John O'Gorman
 Cc: lyx
 Subject: Re: Creating an Index
 
 
 John O'Gorman wrote:
 
 I am embarking on creating an index for a manual of about 200 pages
 (written in LyX of course).
 
 I studied up all the advice I could find, and as a result set out to
 produce a list of all the unique words in the book.
   
 
 There are plenty of word you don't want to index. The should be
 an obvious one.  I.e. don't index anything that you really expect the
 reader to know already.
 
 Seeing that it is a manual, limit your indexing further to only
 words and concepts relevant to whatever the manual is about.
 
 Alas it came to over 3000 words. Even going through and removing the
 little works like and, the, but, etc would be an enormous and tedious
 task.
   
 
 Sure, making an index is a big job.  Expect to spend some time
 if you want it to be good.  I did it the other way around, I
 read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
 I came across.
 
 Also, whenever you put something in the index, think:
 1. Is this word/concept something readers of this manual actually
 might want to look up?  You don't have to index something just
 because you wrote about it.  Only index it if it is likely to 
 be looked for.
 Would you look for that word?
 
 2. Assuming the answer to the previous question is yes, don't 
 fall in the
 trap of indexing every occurence of that word.  Sure - a computer can
 easily do just that for you - and the approach is so wrong. When you
 look for something, do you want to see:
 
 concept, 1,3,5,9,12-47,54,66-97,180,182,190-196
 
 It is not very likely that you're going to look up all that, is it?
 My publisher told me to only index the most important places
 a word is used, because that is where people need to be directed.
 Only one to three indices for any given word, they said.  A manual
 might be different from a textbook of course.  But still, make sure
 you point them to useful places.  Such as the definition 
 of/main chapter on
 concept and such.  If concept is also mentioned briefly 
 in sentences
 such as also see concept in chapter xx then you definitely 
 don't want
 an index entry to point there.
 Also, if there is a chapter or big section on concept, just 
 index the 
 start
 of it.  concept may be mentioned several times in that text 
 over several
 pages - indexing all of it does not make sense.  People will want to
 be directed to the start - the index is normally _not_ for documenting
 every occurence of some word.
 
 Helge Hafting
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: Creating an Index

[Kevin Pfeiffer]

Jack M. Lyon writes:
 Helge Hafting wrote:
  the index is normally _not_ for documenting
  every occurence of some word.

 How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX

Yes, that would be great!

Because we were doing an index of persons and (for better or worse) 
_wanted_ every mention included, I modified an existing scripts to 
search through each time and add Idx tags for a list of about 50+ 
names.

In the few cases were we didn't do this, it was, one could say, pure 
hell, when an index entry needed to be changed; because of sorting 
criteria, mothers' maiden names, etc., this happened more often than 
one would imagine.

With my indexer, I only needed to update my list; by hand it meant 
finding and editing/removing/updating every Idx occurrence of each 
index entry.

 It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
 entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
 them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Something similar to the already existing labels and references (or 
bibliography) feature would be useful. You create an Index label 
entry that is added to the Index master list; when you want to add an 
Idx tag you select your Index label from the list (just like adding a 
reference to a label). Then if the index entry changes (or is to not be 
used), you only need to fix this once and not at every appearance.

Yes, cool. 

-Kevin

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Tiros-Translations

Default behaviour of float

[Sanders, Maarten (M.J.L.)]

Hi,

Is there some way (e.g. in a .layout) to tell LyX to automatically
center the contents of a float environment (image and caption)?

Maarten

Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Nusret BALCI]

[OOPS, it went to Georg's private inbox :(. My
apologies!]

Thank you Georg.

Well, I don't know whether that would be possible, but
if Uwe could provide a windows installer capable of
side-by-side installation (bundling a binary version
built as Georg mentioned), that could be good for a
transition and evaluation period. What do you think,
people?

Just an idea...
Regards,

Nusret


--- Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nusret BALCI wrote:
 
  Hi all,
  Will it be possible to install LyX 1.4 alongside
 1.3.7
  when it's released? Thank you!
 
 Yes, this is possible if you install from source and
 use the
 --with-version-suffix switch of the configure
 script.
 
 
 Georg
 
 


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xforms needed question

[Tom Poe]

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate 
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error 
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I 
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the 
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.

Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
 Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
 Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell use-ispell
 C   Compiler:   gcc
 C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
 C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
 C++ Compiler flags: -O
 Linker flags:
 Frontend:   xforms
   libXpm version:   4.11
   libforms version:
 Packaging:  posix
   LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
   LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

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Re: Creating an Index

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Jack M. Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Helge Hafting' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Creating an Index



How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:


I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.


It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Jack M. Lyon


I think it is a great idea! Maybe it could interact with LyX like other
helper programs, Aspell, ImageMagick. That would divide the work
between creating the program and the LyX developers connecting it.
Developers for LyX are a limited resource with major projects in line.

I like the promise of DeXter,
Stephen 

Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Nusret BALCI [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0



[OOPS, it went to Georg's private inbox :(. My
apologies!]

Thank you Georg.

Well, I don't know whether that would be possible, but
if Uwe could provide a windows installer capable of
side-by-side installation (bundling a binary version
built as Georg mentioned), that could be good for a
transition and evaluation period. What do you think,
people?

Just an idea...
Regards,

Nusret



This is an idea that works on Windows. I installed LyX137
to C:\Lyx and LyX140pre_x to C:\Lyx140

The config files are read under .../Application data/LyX
I have a link to that folder on my Desktop so I don't have
to navigate there all the time. 


I renamed /LyX to /Lyx137 and installed Lyx140 to /LyX
So there are two sets or directories containing preferences.

So when I want to use LyX137 I rename LyX which works
for LyX140 at the moment to LyX140. Then I rename the
folder LyX137, to LyX, which alternates the Lyx versions.
If I forget which LyXversion is named LyX, I can start
LyX first, or just notice that if there is a folder named 
Lyx137 or Lyx140 under /Application data which means 
the other one is running. I have two program starting icons

on my desktop, one name LyX137 and the other LyX140,
which link to the two different lyx.bat installation folders.

Maybe that sounded complicated, but it takes less than
15 seconds to switch back and forth by renaming folders. 
I don't know if it is this easy using Linux, but there should

be a way.

Regards,
Stephen 

Re: xforms needed question

[John Pye]

Did you try
http://apt.ling.li/rpms/lyx/

Works for me, although I use the Qt version. But the xforms file is 
there as well.


JP

Tom Poe wrote:

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate 
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an 
error message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know 
where I can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and 
follow the INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.

Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
 Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
 Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

 C   Compiler:   gcc
 C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
 C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
 C++ Compiler flags: -O
 Linker flags:
 Frontend:   xforms
   libXpm version:   4.11
   libforms version:
 Packaging:  posix
   LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
   LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms 
library

  is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

Re: xforms needed question

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:
 I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
 the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
 message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
 can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
 INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
 Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
 Configuration
   Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
   Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell use-ispell
   C   Compiler:   gcc
   C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
   C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
   C++ Compiler flags: -O
   Linker flags:
   Frontend:   xforms
 libXpm version:   4.11
 libforms version:
   Packaging:  posix
 LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
 LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
  The following problems have been detected by configure.
  Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
  (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
 ** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
is correctly installed on your system.
 ** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
is correctly installed on your system.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in addition 
to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

-- 
José Abílio

Using XY packages

[Stacia Hartleben]

I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation button.

Re: xforms needed question

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: xforms needed question


On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
  Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
  Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

  C   Compiler:   gcc
  C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
  C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
  C++ Compiler flags: -O
  Linker flags:
  Frontend:   xforms
libXpm version:   4.11
libforms version:
  Packaging:  posix
LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]


Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in addition
to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

--
José Abílio

ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/pre/

This folder includes the xforms1.0 rpm,src and developer files. I
tested this Windows and started the download by double-clicking
and also right-click and copy to folder on my home machine.

I just built this yesterday. http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Download

I saw the lyx-1.3.7.tar.gz  file first and used it because I didn't
see the  lyx-1.3.7-1fc4_qt.i386.rpm  below it.

I think tar.gz doesn't get added to the rpm installed list,
so maybe the rpm is better. I did have LyX 1.3.6 installed
by rpm so I started with rpm -e lyx

When I read INSTALL, I think it uses xforms by default and
I didn't mess with it. Just ran ./configure I think the process
_might_ have stopped with a missing lib.png.so.2 error message.
(unless that came from the dvipdfm package which I wanted to
test which is why I installed LyX137)
Maybe I deleted it with the rpm erase of LyX136, I don't know.
Anyway I fixed it by using   yum install lib.png.so.2
which works pretty automatically most of the time for most files.
I haven't tried it, yum install xforms. Anyway you have the link.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: Using XY packages

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Using XY packages


I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation 
button.


Prof. Gumm has a nice tutorial for using XYpic for LyX at
http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/xypic.pdf

XYpic works in LyX137 (not perfectly) but support was removed
from LyX140. Support may be put back in with LyX1.4.1
Prof. Gumm is a possible resource to answer your question.

I don't no,
Stephen

Re: Using XY packages

[Stephen Harris]

- - Original Message - 
From: Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Using XY packages


I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation 
button.


Sara Stymne contributed:

... wasn't actually using xypic, but xyling which is a linguistic tree
package built on xypic, and thus I could not use it in LyX directly, so
I constructed the pictures in ERT. Should probably have mentioned that
in the first mail, but I didn't think about it...

---
Re: Screen Captures in Documents
Hi!

I have no solution, but a related problem...

In LyX I canot use insert-graphics from the menu. I think this is
because LyX uses the graphics package and that it somehow conflicts with
the gb4e package that I also use. When I remove gb4e graphic-insertion
seems to work, but not the gb4e-stuff of course. I found a workaround to
this, using graphicxs and include pictures with ERT. It works, but LyX
does not seem to be capable to convert png to eps, when not using
pdflatex, which I believe it does when inserting throw the menu.  And I
prefer not to use pdflatex, because it seems to make the quality of my
xypic-figures quite bad.


Perhaps emailing her will be helpful.

Re: Using XY packages

[Stacia Hartleben]

Wow, I actually did get it to work, which is sad since the support is
going away in 1.4!
 For example:
\xymatrix{ \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP}   \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It}   \xyterminal{is raining} }

Will display a small syntax tree. Awesome!!

On 2/16/06, Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - - Original Message -
 From: Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
 Subject: Using XY packages


 I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
 Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
 http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

 I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation
 button.

 Sara Stymne contributed:

  ... wasn't actually using xypic, but xyling which is a linguistic tree
 package built on xypic, and thus I could not use it in LyX directly, so
 I constructed the pictures in ERT. Should probably have mentioned that
 in the first mail, but I didn't think about it...

 ---
 Re: Screen Captures in Documents
 Hi!

 I have no solution, but a related problem...

 In LyX I canot use insert-graphics from the menu. I think this is
 because LyX uses the graphics package and that it somehow conflicts with
 the gb4e package that I also use. When I remove gb4e graphic-insertion
 seems to work, but not the gb4e-stuff of course. I found a workaround to
 this, using graphicxs and include pictures with ERT. It works, but LyX
 does not seem to be capable to convert png to eps, when not using
 pdflatex, which I believe it does when inserting throw the menu.  And I
 prefer not to use pdflatex, because it seems to make the quality of my
 xypic-figures quite bad.
 

 Perhaps emailing her will be helpful.

Re: xforms needed question

[Tom Poe]

Stephen Harris wrote:



- Original Message - From: Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: xforms needed question


On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:


I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
  Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
  Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

  C   Compiler:   gcc
  C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
  C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
  C++ Compiler flags: -O
  Linker flags:
  Frontend:   xforms
libXpm version:   4.11
libforms version:
  Packaging:  posix
LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms 
library

   is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]



Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in 
addition

to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

Stephen:  Well, futzed around, then decided to log out, set session to 
KDE, and ran the command, 'yum xforms'.  It worked magically!  This was 
my first experience with yum.  I then ran the command 'yum install lyx' 
and again, magic!  I am now up and running.  Thanks, much!

Installed: lyx.i386 0:1.3.7-5.fc4
Dependency Installed: aiksaurus.i386 1:1.2.1-7 lyx-qt.i386 0:1.3.7-5.fc4 
mathml-fonts.noarch 0:1.0-19.fc4

Complete!

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Re: LyX on Mac --Very first draft of a visual installation guide

[Anders Ekberg]

Thanks Christian,

I will try to upload the pictures and add additional material (you're  
right, the example files could be good). I will also try to continue  
with instruction on how to add templates, etc. Unfortunately I'm  
locked up until the end of next week, so it may take some time.


/Anders

christian . ridderstrom
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:33:20 -0800

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Anders Ekberg wrote:

 I had an idea to create a visual installation guide for absolute
 beginners.

...

 http://www.am.chalmers.se/~anek/temp/LyX_www/LyXonMac.html

 The focus is on Mac-users. I plan on continue with how to use/ 
install

 templates, some troubleshooting and then just leave links to where
 platform independent use is described, e.g. http://wiki.lyx.org/ 
LyX/

 NewInLyX14
 Hopefully it can be ready for the 1.4 release.

 All comments  suggestions are welcome.

You're more than welcome to place the guide on the wiki - it should  
work
well. Actually, as a relaxation exercise I took ten minutes and  
used your

webpage as original and put a wikified copy of it here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground/LyXOnMacInstallGuide

This is just to show you how the markup would be in case you'd like to
keep it on the wiki. If so, we should move it out of the playground  
area

:-)

Right now the images are all links to your site - the images can of  
course

also be stored on the wiki, they can simply be uploaded using the file
manager.
http://wiki.lyx.org/ipfm/index.php/
where user=lyx, password=LyXers.

If you'd like to split the information over several pages, there's
something called 'wiki trail' [1] that's an easy way to help the
reader go betweeen the pages (prev/next/up).

regards
/Christian

PS. Let me know if you'd like to use the wiki for this and run into  
any

problems

PPS. I placed a comment at the end.. perhaps links to the actual
.lyx-examples are useful (with/without ae), as well as the  
corresponding

PDFs?

TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!

[Stacia Hartleben]

Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial 
(http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!

Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
example things like this:

\xymatrix{ \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP}   \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It}   \xyterminal{is raining} }

\xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }

The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.

Re: Ling-TeX: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!

[Stacia Hartleben]

Sorry about the spam, but I figured out how to get simple trees from
qtree working (I much prefer it to xytree, but I thought only that
might work because of the xy library or something) Try a tree like
this:
\xymatrix{\text{\Tree[.S [.N This ] [.V is ] [.NP [.Det a ] [.N test ] ] ] } }

and then hit the convert to formula button. Yay! Doesn't work with
qtree, though, for some reason.

On 2/17/06, Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial
 (http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
 and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!

 Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
 example things like this:

 \xymatrix{ \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP}   \xytrinode{VP} \\
 \xyterminal{It}   \xyterminal{is raining} }

 \xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }

 The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
 TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
 about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
 xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
 1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
 for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
 release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.

Re: Creating an Index

[Helge Hafting]

Jack M. Lyon wrote:


Helge Hafting wrote:

 


the index is normally _not_ for documenting
every occurence of some word.
   



Amen.

How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:

 


I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.
   



Sorry if this sounds like a plug--I really mean it as a suggested
addition to LyX--but you might look at my indexing add-in for MS Word as
a model for what could be done in LyX:

http://www.editorium.com/dexter.htm

 


Interesting!


Indexing is done, by hand, in a sortable table. After the entries are
finished, they're embedded in the document.

For LyX, it might be possible to do this even more elegantly, by showing
the generated index every time the document is generated with LaTeX, or,
better still, by showing it (updated) in the LyX UI every time an index
entry is added to or modified in the table.

It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?
 


It'd be a cool feature, sure.  And very useful.  Lyx being open source means
this can be integrated rather than being an add-on. I think the perfect
solution would be to still have all the index entries spread throughout the
document - so that they move around automatically as I cut/copy and
paste.  But there should also be this table view for smart editing of
the index.  Showing the generated index is indeed possible, by
using the existing mechanism for showing rendered formulas.  Well,
it takes a lot more time as you typically need to render the entire
document to get the page numbers.  So index preview should
be optional. 


Helge Hafting

software manuals using Lyx

[John Pye]

Hi there,

Can anyone tell me if there is an up-to-date HOWTO somewhere for using
Lyx for DocBook output of software user's manuals?

In particular, I want to be able to generate 'chm'  files for Windows,
and DocBook XML for GNOME ('yelp' help browser). Is this something that
other people on the list are doing?

I found this but it's 5 years old, and hopefully things have become
easier...
http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/

If such a HOWTO /doesn't/ exist, maybe there'd be someone willing to
collaborate on putting it together?

Cheers
JP

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Re: Creating an Index

[Helge Hafting]

John O'Gorman wrote:


I am embarking on creating an index for a manual of about 200 pages
(written in LyX of course).

I studied up all the advice I could find, and as a result set out to
produce a list of all the unique words in the book.
 


There are plenty of word you don't want to index. The should be
an obvious one.  I.e. don't index anything that you really expect the
reader to know already.

Seeing that it is a manual, limit your indexing further to only
words and concepts relevant to whatever the manual is about.


Alas it came to over 3000 words. Even going through and removing the
little works like and, the, but, etc would be an enormous and tedious
task.
 


Sure, making an index is a big job.  Expect to spend some time
if you want it to be good.  I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.

Also, whenever you put something in the index, think:
1. Is this word/concept something readers of this manual actually
might want to look up?  You don't have to index something just
because you wrote about it.  Only index it if it is likely to be looked for.
Would you look for that word?

2. Assuming the answer to the previous question is yes, don't fall in the
trap of indexing every occurence of that word.  Sure - a computer can
easily do just that for you - and the approach is so wrong. When you
look for something, do you want to see:

concept, 1,3,5,9,12-47,54,66-97,180,182,190-196

It is not very likely that you're going to look up all that, is it?
My publisher told me to only index the most important places
a word is used, because that is where people need to be directed.
Only one to three indices for any given word, they said.  A manual
might be different from a textbook of course.  But still, make sure
you point them to useful places.  Such as the definition of/main chapter on
concept and such.  If concept is also mentioned briefly in sentences
such as also see concept in chapter xx then you definitely don't want
an index entry to point there.
Also, if there is a chapter or big section on concept, just index the 
start

of it.  concept may be mentioned several times in that text over several
pages - indexing all of it does not make sense.  People will want to
be directed to the start - the index is normally _not_ for documenting
every occurence of some word.

Helge Hafting

Lyxpipe?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Hallo zusammen,

ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
was ist die Lyx-pipe? Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
Rechner nicht.

Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
Literaturverzeichnisses natbib mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
Zitatangabe im Text:
   (author?) [1, S. 223]
Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
   [2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
Eckenhagen, 1953.

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Re: I need workaround of encoding problem

[Marcelo Acuña]

  I can't to use spellchecker. Accented letters
  and ñ, Ñ are not recognized by ispell, aspell.
  I try to use ispell from command line but
  I can't said nothing to ispell about char
  enconding.
 
 aspell -c --encoding=iso8859-1 filename.lyx

With this encoding are ok but
this no work well for me.
With aspell and ispell from command line
word are read break in several times
like this:

En la mañana del 16 de dici
embre de 1793 ...

diciembre (December) appears break
and is not recognized.
Aspell, and ispell, read dici first,
not in dictionary, then read embre,
again not en dictionary.
This, plus a lot of latex and lyx command
make the work very dificult.
Marcelo






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Re: I need workaround of encoding problem

[Marcelo Acuña]

 I can't to use spellchecker. Accented letters
 and ñ, Ñ are not recognized by ispell, aspell.

 Common problem for unicode users, because
 lyx doesn't support unicode.  That cause trouble
 when the spellchekcer expects unicode while lyx
 gives it iso8859 encoded text.
 Here's what I do:
 1. Start an xterm or similiar command line
 2. Figure out what LANG setting you have, like this:
 echo $LANG

with this nothing is show.
 
 I get nb_NO.UTF-8, you probably have something else.
 Change to a LANG without the UTF-8 part. In my case:
 export LANG=nb_NO
 
export LANG=es_ES

 Then run lyx from the same xterm, so it uses the
 modified  language.  You should still get the lyx
 GUI in your language, assuming it is translated.
 And now the spellchecker works too. :-)
No work for me :-(
Lyx 1.4.0pre appears without menu, only
a icon bar, I clicked icon for file open
and, choose my file (saved with 1.4.0pre)
and I get error in conversion.
Then I open with lyx (from icon),
deleted list of fig,
repeat process and when I open the file
lyx go out (aborted) with an error message.

 Fixing this is planned for lyx 1.5.0, which will
 have unicode support.
 Helge Hafting
 
Which is the date when You expect lyx 1.5.0 will be
released?

Marcelo






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Re: Lyxpipe?

[Georg Baum]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:

 Hallo zusammen,
 
 ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

The language of this list is englsh, so I'll answer in english.

 Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
 was ist die Lyx-pipe? Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
 richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
 Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
 externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
 Rechner nicht.

The LyX pipe is not available on windows. See
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXServer for an explanation what you can do with
it.

 Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
 gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
 Literaturverzeichnisses natbib mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
 Zitatangabe im Text:
(author?) [1, S. 223]
 Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
[2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
 Eckenhagen, 1953.

This is a completely different problem. You can insert citations also
without the LyX pipe. See http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/BibTeX for BibTeX
related information.


Georg

lyx 1.4.0pre minor problems

[Marcelo Acuña]

hi,
I have minor problems, they are:
1) cursor is too thin, is dificult to see.
2) repeat keyboard rate is too slow, (rest of
aplication without changes, I only install lyx 1.4)
3) mouse wheel is to slow, I changed parameter in
preferences but this no work ok.
4) I lost feature: in paragraph settings I can´t find
skip spaces for before and after. This feature was
present in 1.3.6.
(I have suse 9.3.)

Marcelo





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Re: Lyxpipe?

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
 Hallo zusammen,

Hello (this is an English writing list).

 ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

 Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
 was ist die Lyx-pipe? 

Basically, it's the interface which is used for communication of LyX with 
external programs. For instance, JabRef can pass citations directly to LyX 
that way.

 Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
 richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
 Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
 externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
 Rechner nicht.

AFAIK Windows does not feature pipes (except if you are using cygwin).

 Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
 gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
 Literaturverzeichnisses natbib mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
 Zitatangabe im Text:
    (author?) [1, S. 223]
 Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
    [2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
 Eckenhagen, 1953.

If you are using LyX's own citation dialog, the pipe is not needed. This is a 
different problem (probably LaTeX does not find your bib file?)

HTH,
Jürgen

side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Nusret BALCI]

Hi all, 
Will it be possible to install LyX 1.4 alongside 1.3.7
when it's released? Thank you!

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Re: lyx 1.4.0pre minor problems

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 13:36, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
 4) I lost feature: in paragraph settings I can´t find
 skip spaces for before and after. This feature was
 present in 1.3.6.

  Hi Marcelo,
this is present but elsewhere, search for Insert-Special 
Character-Vertical 
Space

 (I have suse 9.3.)

 Marcelo

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RE: Creating an Index

[Jack M. Lyon]

Helge Hafting wrote:

 the index is normally _not_ for documenting
 every occurence of some word.

Amen.

How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:

 I did it the other way around, I
 read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
 I came across.

Sorry if this sounds like a plug--I really mean it as a suggested
addition to LyX--but you might look at my indexing add-in for MS Word as
a model for what could be done in LyX:

http://www.editorium.com/dexter.htm

Indexing is done, by hand, in a sortable table. After the entries are
finished, they're embedded in the document.

For LyX, it might be possible to do this even more elegantly, by showing
the generated index every time the document is generated with LaTeX, or,
better still, by showing it (updated) in the LyX UI every time an index
entry is added to or modified in the table.

It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Jack M. Lyon
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 -Original Message-
 From: Helge Hafting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:19 AM
 To: John O'Gorman
 Cc: lyx
 Subject: Re: Creating an Index
 
 
 John O'Gorman wrote:
 
 I am embarking on creating an index for a manual of about 200 pages
 (written in LyX of course).
 
 I studied up all the advice I could find, and as a result set out to
 produce a list of all the unique words in the book.
   
 
 There are plenty of word you don't want to index. The should be
 an obvious one.  I.e. don't index anything that you really expect the
 reader to know already.
 
 Seeing that it is a manual, limit your indexing further to only
 words and concepts relevant to whatever the manual is about.
 
 Alas it came to over 3000 words. Even going through and removing the
 little works like and, the, but, etc would be an enormous and tedious
 task.
   
 
 Sure, making an index is a big job.  Expect to spend some time
 if you want it to be good.  I did it the other way around, I
 read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
 I came across.
 
 Also, whenever you put something in the index, think:
 1. Is this word/concept something readers of this manual actually
 might want to look up?  You don't have to index something just
 because you wrote about it.  Only index it if it is likely to 
 be looked for.
 Would you look for that word?
 
 2. Assuming the answer to the previous question is yes, don't 
 fall in the
 trap of indexing every occurence of that word.  Sure - a computer can
 easily do just that for you - and the approach is so wrong. When you
 look for something, do you want to see:
 
 concept, 1,3,5,9,12-47,54,66-97,180,182,190-196
 
 It is not very likely that you're going to look up all that, is it?
 My publisher told me to only index the most important places
 a word is used, because that is where people need to be directed.
 Only one to three indices for any given word, they said.  A manual
 might be different from a textbook of course.  But still, make sure
 you point them to useful places.  Such as the definition 
 of/main chapter on
 concept and such.  If concept is also mentioned briefly 
 in sentences
 such as also see concept in chapter xx then you definitely 
 don't want
 an index entry to point there.
 Also, if there is a chapter or big section on concept, just 
 index the 
 start
 of it.  concept may be mentioned several times in that text 
 over several
 pages - indexing all of it does not make sense.  People will want to
 be directed to the start - the index is normally _not_ for documenting
 every occurence of some word.
 
 Helge Hafting
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Re: Creating an Index

[Kevin Pfeiffer]

Jack M. Lyon writes:
 Helge Hafting wrote:
  the index is normally _not_ for documenting
  every occurence of some word.

 How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX

Yes, that would be great!

Because we were doing an index of persons and (for better or worse) 
_wanted_ every mention included, I modified an existing scripts to 
search through each time and add Idx tags for a list of about 50+ 
names.

In the few cases were we didn't do this, it was, one could say, pure 
hell, when an index entry needed to be changed; because of sorting 
criteria, mothers' maiden names, etc., this happened more often than 
one would imagine.

With my indexer, I only needed to update my list; by hand it meant 
finding and editing/removing/updating every Idx occurrence of each 
index entry.

 It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
 entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
 them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Something similar to the already existing labels and references (or 
bibliography) feature would be useful. You create an Index label 
entry that is added to the Index master list; when you want to add an 
Idx tag you select your Index label from the list (just like adding a 
reference to a label). Then if the index entry changes (or is to not be 
used), you only need to fix this once and not at every appearance.

Yes, cool. 

-Kevin

-- 
Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tiros-Translations

Default behaviour of float

[Sanders, Maarten (M.J.L.)]

Hi,

Is there some way (e.g. in a .layout) to tell LyX to automatically
center the contents of a float environment (image and caption)?

Maarten

Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Nusret BALCI]

[OOPS, it went to Georg's private inbox :(. My
apologies!]

Thank you Georg.

Well, I don't know whether that would be possible, but
if Uwe could provide a windows installer capable of
side-by-side installation (bundling a binary version
built as Georg mentioned), that could be good for a
transition and evaluation period. What do you think,
people?

Just an idea...
Regards,

Nusret


--- Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nusret BALCI wrote:
 
  Hi all,
  Will it be possible to install LyX 1.4 alongside
 1.3.7
  when it's released? Thank you!
 
 Yes, this is possible if you install from source and
 use the
 --with-version-suffix switch of the configure
 script.
 
 
 Georg
 
 


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xforms needed question

[Tom Poe]

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate 
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error 
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I 
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the 
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.

Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
 Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
 Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell use-ispell
 C   Compiler:   gcc
 C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
 C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
 C++ Compiler flags: -O
 Linker flags:
 Frontend:   xforms
   libXpm version:   4.11
   libforms version:
 Packaging:  posix
   LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
   LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

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Re: Creating an Index

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Jack M. Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Helge Hafting' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Creating an Index



How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:


I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.


It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Jack M. Lyon


I think it is a great idea! Maybe it could interact with LyX like other
helper programs, Aspell, ImageMagick. That would divide the work
between creating the program and the LyX developers connecting it.
Developers for LyX are a limited resource with major projects in line.

I like the promise of DeXter,
Stephen 

Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Nusret BALCI [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0



[OOPS, it went to Georg's private inbox :(. My
apologies!]

Thank you Georg.

Well, I don't know whether that would be possible, but
if Uwe could provide a windows installer capable of
side-by-side installation (bundling a binary version
built as Georg mentioned), that could be good for a
transition and evaluation period. What do you think,
people?

Just an idea...
Regards,

Nusret



This is an idea that works on Windows. I installed LyX137
to C:\Lyx and LyX140pre_x to C:\Lyx140

The config files are read under .../Application data/LyX
I have a link to that folder on my Desktop so I don't have
to navigate there all the time. 


I renamed /LyX to /Lyx137 and installed Lyx140 to /LyX
So there are two sets or directories containing preferences.

So when I want to use LyX137 I rename LyX which works
for LyX140 at the moment to LyX140. Then I rename the
folder LyX137, to LyX, which alternates the Lyx versions.
If I forget which LyXversion is named LyX, I can start
LyX first, or just notice that if there is a folder named 
Lyx137 or Lyx140 under /Application data which means 
the other one is running. I have two program starting icons

on my desktop, one name LyX137 and the other LyX140,
which link to the two different lyx.bat installation folders.

Maybe that sounded complicated, but it takes less than
15 seconds to switch back and forth by renaming folders. 
I don't know if it is this easy using Linux, but there should

be a way.

Regards,
Stephen 

Re: xforms needed question

[John Pye]

Did you try
http://apt.ling.li/rpms/lyx/

Works for me, although I use the Qt version. But the xforms file is 
there as well.


JP

Tom Poe wrote:

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate 
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an 
error message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know 
where I can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and 
follow the INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.

Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
 Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
 Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

 C   Compiler:   gcc
 C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
 C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
 C++ Compiler flags: -O
 Linker flags:
 Frontend:   xforms
   libXpm version:   4.11
   libforms version:
 Packaging:  posix
   LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
   LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms 
library

  is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

Re: xforms needed question

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:
 I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
 the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
 message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
 can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
 INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
 Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
 Configuration
   Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
   Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell use-ispell
   C   Compiler:   gcc
   C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
   C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
   C++ Compiler flags: -O
   Linker flags:
   Frontend:   xforms
 libXpm version:   4.11
 libforms version:
   Packaging:  posix
 LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
 LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
  The following problems have been detected by configure.
  Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
  (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
 ** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
is correctly installed on your system.
 ** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
is correctly installed on your system.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in addition 
to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

-- 
José Abílio

Using XY packages

[Stacia Hartleben]

I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation button.

Re: xforms needed question

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: xforms needed question


On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
  Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
  Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

  C   Compiler:   gcc
  C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
  C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
  C++ Compiler flags: -O
  Linker flags:
  Frontend:   xforms
libXpm version:   4.11
libforms version:
  Packaging:  posix
LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]


Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in addition
to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

--
José Abílio

ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/pre/

This folder includes the xforms1.0 rpm,src and developer files. I
tested this Windows and started the download by double-clicking
and also right-click and copy to folder on my home machine.

I just built this yesterday. http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Download

I saw the lyx-1.3.7.tar.gz  file first and used it because I didn't
see the  lyx-1.3.7-1fc4_qt.i386.rpm  below it.

I think tar.gz doesn't get added to the rpm installed list,
so maybe the rpm is better. I did have LyX 1.3.6 installed
by rpm so I started with rpm -e lyx

When I read INSTALL, I think it uses xforms by default and
I didn't mess with it. Just ran ./configure I think the process
_might_ have stopped with a missing lib.png.so.2 error message.
(unless that came from the dvipdfm package which I wanted to
test which is why I installed LyX137)
Maybe I deleted it with the rpm erase of LyX136, I don't know.
Anyway I fixed it by using   yum install lib.png.so.2
which works pretty automatically most of the time for most files.
I haven't tried it, yum install xforms. Anyway you have the link.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: Using XY packages

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Using XY packages


I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation 
button.


Prof. Gumm has a nice tutorial for using XYpic for LyX at
http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/xypic.pdf

XYpic works in LyX137 (not perfectly) but support was removed
from LyX140. Support may be put back in with LyX1.4.1
Prof. Gumm is a possible resource to answer your question.

I don't no,
Stephen

Re: Using XY packages

[Stephen Harris]

- - Original Message - 
From: Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Using XY packages


I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation 
button.


Sara Stymne contributed:

... wasn't actually using xypic, but xyling which is a linguistic tree
package built on xypic, and thus I could not use it in LyX directly, so
I constructed the pictures in ERT. Should probably have mentioned that
in the first mail, but I didn't think about it...

---
Re: Screen Captures in Documents
Hi!

I have no solution, but a related problem...

In LyX I canot use insert-graphics from the menu. I think this is
because LyX uses the graphics package and that it somehow conflicts with
the gb4e package that I also use. When I remove gb4e graphic-insertion
seems to work, but not the gb4e-stuff of course. I found a workaround to
this, using graphicxs and include pictures with ERT. It works, but LyX
does not seem to be capable to convert png to eps, when not using
pdflatex, which I believe it does when inserting throw the menu.  And I
prefer not to use pdflatex, because it seems to make the quality of my
xypic-figures quite bad.


Perhaps emailing her will be helpful.

Re: Using XY packages

[Stacia Hartleben]

Wow, I actually did get it to work, which is sad since the support is
going away in 1.4!
 For example:
\xymatrix{ \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP}   \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It}   \xyterminal{is raining} }

Will display a small syntax tree. Awesome!!

On 2/16/06, Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - - Original Message -
 From: Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: LyX Users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
 Subject: Using XY packages


 I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
 Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
 http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

 I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the display equation
 button.

 Sara Stymne contributed:

  ... wasn't actually using xypic, but xyling which is a linguistic tree
 package built on xypic, and thus I could not use it in LyX directly, so
 I constructed the pictures in ERT. Should probably have mentioned that
 in the first mail, but I didn't think about it...

 ---
 Re: Screen Captures in Documents
 Hi!

 I have no solution, but a related problem...

 In LyX I canot use insert-graphics from the menu. I think this is
 because LyX uses the graphics package and that it somehow conflicts with
 the gb4e package that I also use. When I remove gb4e graphic-insertion
 seems to work, but not the gb4e-stuff of course. I found a workaround to
 this, using graphicxs and include pictures with ERT. It works, but LyX
 does not seem to be capable to convert png to eps, when not using
 pdflatex, which I believe it does when inserting throw the menu.  And I
 prefer not to use pdflatex, because it seems to make the quality of my
 xypic-figures quite bad.
 

 Perhaps emailing her will be helpful.

Re: xforms needed question

[Tom Poe]

Stephen Harris wrote:



- Original Message - From: Jose' Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: xforms needed question


On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:


I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
  Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
  Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

  C   Compiler:   gcc
  C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
  C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
  C++ Compiler flags: -O
  Linker flags:
  Frontend:   xforms
libXpm version:   4.11
libforms version:
  Packaging:  posix
LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms 
library

   is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]



Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in 
addition

to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

Stephen:  Well, futzed around, then decided to log out, set session to 
KDE, and ran the command, 'yum xforms'.  It worked magically!  This was 
my first experience with yum.  I then ran the command 'yum install lyx' 
and again, magic!  I am now up and running.  Thanks, much!

Installed: lyx.i386 0:1.3.7-5.fc4
Dependency Installed: aiksaurus.i386 1:1.2.1-7 lyx-qt.i386 0:1.3.7-5.fc4 
mathml-fonts.noarch 0:1.0-19.fc4

Complete!

Tom
--

94% of returning troops suffer from trauma
Open Studios
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Re: LyX on Mac --Very first draft of a visual installation guide

[Anders Ekberg]

Thanks Christian,

I will try to upload the pictures and add additional material (you're  
right, the example files could be good). I will also try to continue  
with instruction on how to add templates, etc. Unfortunately I'm  
locked up until the end of next week, so it may take some time.


/Anders

christian . ridderstrom
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:33:20 -0800

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Anders Ekberg wrote:

 I had an idea to create a visual installation guide for absolute
 beginners.

...

 http://www.am.chalmers.se/~anek/temp/LyX_www/LyXonMac.html

 The focus is on Mac-users. I plan on continue with how to use/ 
install

 templates, some troubleshooting and then just leave links to where
 platform independent use is described, e.g. http://wiki.lyx.org/ 
LyX/

 NewInLyX14
 Hopefully it can be ready for the 1.4 release.

 All comments  suggestions are welcome.

You're more than welcome to place the guide on the wiki - it should  
work
well. Actually, as a relaxation exercise I took ten minutes and  
used your

webpage as original and put a wikified copy of it here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground/LyXOnMacInstallGuide

This is just to show you how the markup would be in case you'd like to
keep it on the wiki. If so, we should move it out of the playground  
area

:-)

Right now the images are all links to your site - the images can of  
course

also be stored on the wiki, they can simply be uploaded using the file
manager.
http://wiki.lyx.org/ipfm/index.php/
where user=lyx, password=LyXers.

If you'd like to split the information over several pages, there's
something called 'wiki trail' [1] that's an easy way to help the
reader go betweeen the pages (prev/next/up).

regards
/Christian

PS. Let me know if you'd like to use the wiki for this and run into  
any

problems

PPS. I placed a comment at the end.. perhaps links to the actual
.lyx-examples are useful (with/without ae), as well as the  
corresponding

PDFs?

TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!

[Stacia Hartleben]

Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial 
(http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!

Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
example things like this:

\xymatrix{ \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP}   \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It}   \xyterminal{is raining} }

\xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }

The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.

Re: Ling-TeX: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!

[Stacia Hartleben]

Sorry about the spam, but I figured out how to get simple trees from
qtree working (I much prefer it to xytree, but I thought only that
might work because of the xy library or something) Try a tree like
this:
\xymatrix{\text{\Tree[.S [.N This ] [.V is ] [.NP [.Det a ] [.N test ] ] ] } }

and then hit the convert to formula button. Yay! Doesn't work with
qtree, though, for some reason.

On 2/17/06, Stacia Hartleben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial
 (http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
 and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!

 Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
 example things like this:

 \xymatrix{ \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP}   \xytrinode{VP} \\
 \xyterminal{It}   \xyterminal{is raining} }

 \xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }

 The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
 TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
 about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
 xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
 1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
 for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
 release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.

Re: Creating an Index

[Helge Hafting]

Jack M. Lyon wrote:


Helge Hafting wrote:

 


the index is normally _not_ for documenting
every occurence of some word.
   



Amen.

How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:

 


I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.
   



Sorry if this sounds like a plug--I really mean it as a suggested
addition to LyX--but you might look at my indexing add-in for MS Word as
a model for what could be done in LyX:

http://www.editorium.com/dexter.htm

 


Interesting!


Indexing is done, by hand, in a sortable table. After the entries are
finished, they're embedded in the document.

For LyX, it might be possible to do this even more elegantly, by showing
the generated index every time the document is generated with LaTeX, or,
better still, by showing it (updated) in the LyX UI every time an index
entry is added to or modified in the table.

It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?
 


It'd be a cool feature, sure.  And very useful.  Lyx being open source means
this can be integrated rather than being an add-on. I think the perfect
solution would be to still have all the index entries spread throughout the
document - so that they move around automatically as I cut/copy and
paste.  But there should also be this table view for smart editing of
the index.  Showing the generated index is indeed possible, by
using the existing mechanism for showing rendered formulas.  Well,
it takes a lot more time as you typically need to render the entire
document to get the page numbers.  So index preview should
be optional. 


Helge Hafting

software manuals using Lyx

[John Pye]

Hi there,

Can anyone tell me if there is an up-to-date HOWTO somewhere for using
Lyx for DocBook output of software user's manuals?

In particular, I want to be able to generate 'chm'  files for Windows,
and DocBook XML for GNOME ('yelp' help browser). Is this something that
other people on the list are doing?

I found this but it's 5 years old, and hopefully things have become
easier...
http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/

If such a HOWTO /doesn't/ exist, maybe there'd be someone willing to
collaborate on putting it together?

Cheers
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Re: Creating an Index

[Helge Hafting]

John O'Gorman wrote:


I am embarking on creating an index for a manual of about 200 pages
(written in LyX of course).

I studied up all the advice I could find, and as a result set out to
produce a list of all the unique words in the book.
 


There are plenty of word you don't want to index. "The" should be
an obvious one.  I.e. don't index anything that you really expect the
reader to know already.

Seeing that it is a manual, limit your indexing further to only
words and concepts relevant to whatever the manual is about.


Alas it came to over 3000 words. Even going through and removing the
little works like and, the, but, etc would be an enormous and tedious
task.
 


Sure, making an index is a big job.  Expect to spend some time
if you want it to be good.  I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.

Also, whenever you put something in the index, think:
1. Is this word/concept something readers of this manual actually
might want to look up?  You don't have to index something just
because you wrote about it.  Only index it if it is likely to be looked for.
Would you look for that word?

2. Assuming the answer to the previous question is yes, don't fall in the
trap of indexing every occurence of that word.  Sure - a computer can
easily do just that for you - and the approach is so wrong. When you
look for something, do you want to see:

concept, 1,3,5,9,12-47,54,66-97,180,182,190-196

It is not very likely that you're going to look up all that, is it?
My publisher told me to only index the most important places
a word is used, because that is where people need to be directed.
Only one to three indices for any given word, they said.  A manual
might be different from a textbook of course.  But still, make sure
you point them to useful places.  Such as the definition of/main chapter on
"concept" and such.  If "concept" is also mentioned briefly in sentences
such as "also see concept in chapter xx" then you definitely don't want
an index entry to point there.
Also, if there is a chapter or big section on "concept", just index the 
start

of it.  "concept" may be mentioned several times in that text over several
pages - indexing all of it does not make sense.  People will want to
be directed to the start - the index is normally _not_ for documenting
every occurence of some word.

Helge Hafting

Lyxpipe?

[Matthias Schmidt]

Hallo zusammen,

ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
was ist die Lyx-pipe? Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
Rechner nicht.

Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
Literaturverzeichnisses "natbib" mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
Zitatangabe im Text:
   "(author?) [1, S. 223]"
Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
   "[2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
Eckenhagen, 1953."

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Re: I need workaround of encoding problem

[Marcelo Acuña]

> > I can't to use spellchecker. Accented letters
> > and ñ, Ñ are not recognized by ispell, aspell.
> > I try to use ispell from command line but
> > I can't said nothing to ispell about char
> > enconding.
> 
> aspell -c --encoding=iso8859-1 filename.lyx

With this encoding are ok but
this no work well for me.
With aspell and ispell from command line
word are read break in several times
like this:

En la mañana del 16 de dici
embre de 1793 ...

diciembre (December) appears break
and is not recognized.
Aspell, and ispell, read dici first,
not in dictionary, then read embre,
again not en dictionary.
This, plus a lot of latex and lyx command
make the work very dificult.
Marcelo






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Re: I need workaround of encoding problem

[Marcelo Acuña]

> >I can't to use spellchecker. Accented letters
> >and ñ, Ñ are not recognized by ispell, aspell.

> Common problem for unicode users, because
> lyx doesn't support unicode.  That cause trouble
> when the spellchekcer expects unicode while lyx
> gives it iso8859 encoded text.
> Here's what I do:
> 1. Start an xterm or similiar command line
> 2. Figure out what LANG setting you have, like this:
> echo $LANG

with this nothing is show.
 
> I get nb_NO.UTF-8, you probably have something else.
> Change to a LANG without the UTF-8 part. In my case:
> export LANG=nb_NO
> 
export LANG=es_ES

> Then run lyx from the same xterm, so it uses the
> modified  language.  You should still get the lyx
> GUI in your language, assuming it is translated.
> And now the spellchecker works too. :-)
No work for me :-(
Lyx 1.4.0pre appears without menu, only
a icon bar, I clicked icon for file open
and, choose my file (saved with 1.4.0pre)
and I get error in conversion.
Then I open with lyx (from icon),
deleted list of fig,
repeat process and when I open the file
lyx go out (aborted) with an error message.

> Fixing this is planned for lyx 1.5.0, which will
> have unicode support.
> Helge Hafting
 
Which is the date when You expect lyx 1.5.0 will be
released?

Marcelo






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Re: Lyxpipe?

[Georg Baum]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:

> Hallo zusammen,
> 
> ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.

The language of this list is englsh, so I'll answer in english.

> Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
> was ist die Lyx-pipe? Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
> richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
> Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
> externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
> Rechner nicht.

The LyX pipe is not available on windows. See
http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXServer for an explanation what you can do with
it.

> Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
> gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
> Literaturverzeichnisses "natbib" mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
> Zitatangabe im Text:
>"(author?) [1, S. 223]"
> Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
>"[2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
> Eckenhagen, 1953."

This is a completely different problem. You can insert citations also
without the LyX pipe. See http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/BibTeX for BibTeX
related information.


Georg

lyx 1.4.0pre minor problems

[Marcelo Acuña]

hi,
I have minor problems, they are:
1) cursor is too thin, is dificult to see.
2) repeat keyboard rate is too slow, (rest of
aplication without changes, I only install lyx 1.4)
3) mouse wheel is to slow, I changed parameter in
preferences but this no work ok.
4) I lost feature: in paragraph settings I can´t find
skip spaces for before and after. This feature was
present in 1.3.6.
(I have suse 9.3.)

Marcelo





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Re: Lyxpipe?

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
> Hallo zusammen,

Hello (this is an English writing list).

> ich arbeite mich zur Zeit in Lyx auf Windwos XP ein.
>
> Diese Frage konnte ich auch über google etc. nicht für mich erklären:
> was ist die Lyx-pipe? 

Basically, it's the interface which is used for communication of LyX with 
external programs. For instance, JabRef can pass citations directly to LyX 
that way.

> Die wird gelegentlich erwähnt aber nirgends so
> richtig erklärt: Gibts das auch in Windows (hab ich) oder nur in
> Linux? Im Bibtex-Programm JabRef nämlich ist als Pfad zu einem
> externen Programm Lyx-pipe angegeben, doch die finde ich auf meinem
> Rechner nicht.

AFAIK Windows does not feature pipes (except if you are using cygwin).

> Vielleicht hängt damit ja zusammen, dass in Lyx die Autorennamen nicht
> gefunden werden, wenn ich Zitate einfüge? Stil des
> Literaturverzeichnisses "natbib" mit angabe von Autor und Jahr.
> Zitatangabe im Text:
>    "(author?) [1, S. 223]"
> Literaturangabe im Literaturverzeichnis:
>    "[2] Oswald Gerhard. Eckenhagen und Denklingen ...  Selbstverlag,
> Eckenhagen, 1953."

If you are using LyX's own citation dialog, the pipe is not needed. This is a 
different problem (probably LaTeX does not find your bib file?)

HTH,
Jürgen

side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Nusret BALCI]

Hi all, 
Will it be possible to install LyX 1.4 alongside 1.3.7
when it's released? Thank you!

nusret

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Re: lyx 1.4.0pre minor problems

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 13:36, Marcelo Acuña wrote:
> 4) I lost feature: in paragraph settings I can´t find
> skip spaces for before and after. This feature was
> present in 1.3.6.

  Hi Marcelo,
this is present but elsewhere, search for Insert->Special 
Character->Vertical 
Space

> (I have suse 9.3.)
>
> Marcelo

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RE: Creating an Index

[Jack M. Lyon]

Helge Hafting wrote:

> the index is normally _not_ for documenting
> every occurence of some word.

Amen.

How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:

> I did it the other way around, I
> read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
> I came across.

Sorry if this sounds like a plug--I really mean it as a suggested
addition to LyX--but you might look at my indexing add-in for MS Word as
a model for what could be done in LyX:

http://www.editorium.com/dexter.htm

Indexing is done, by hand, in a sortable table. After the entries are
finished, they're embedded in the document.

For LyX, it might be possible to do this even more elegantly, by showing
the generated index every time the document is generated with LaTeX, or,
better still, by showing it (updated) in the LyX UI every time an index
entry is added to or modified in the table.

It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?

Best wishes,
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> -Original Message-
> From: Helge Hafting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:19 AM
> To: John O'Gorman
> Cc: lyx
> Subject: Re: Creating an Index
> 
> 
> John O'Gorman wrote:
> 
> >I am embarking on creating an index for a manual of about 200 pages
> >(written in LyX of course).
> >
> >I studied up all the advice I could find, and as a result set out to
> >produce a list of all the unique words in the book.
> >  
> >
> There are plenty of word you don't want to index. "The" should be
> an obvious one.  I.e. don't index anything that you really expect the
> reader to know already.
> 
> Seeing that it is a manual, limit your indexing further to only
> words and concepts relevant to whatever the manual is about.
> 
> >Alas it came to over 3000 words. Even going through and removing the
> >little works like and, the, but, etc would be an enormous and tedious
> >task.
> >  
> >
> Sure, making an index is a big job.  Expect to spend some time
> if you want it to be good.  I did it the other way around, I
> read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
> I came across.
> 
> Also, whenever you put something in the index, think:
> 1. Is this word/concept something readers of this manual actually
> might want to look up?  You don't have to index something just
> because you wrote about it.  Only index it if it is likely to 
> be looked for.
> Would you look for that word?
> 
> 2. Assuming the answer to the previous question is yes, don't 
> fall in the
> trap of indexing every occurence of that word.  Sure - a computer can
> easily do just that for you - and the approach is so wrong. When you
> look for something, do you want to see:
> 
> concept, 1,3,5,9,12-47,54,66-97,180,182,190-196
> 
> It is not very likely that you're going to look up all that, is it?
> My publisher told me to only index the most important places
> a word is used, because that is where people need to be directed.
> Only one to three indices for any given word, they said.  A manual
> might be different from a textbook of course.  But still, make sure
> you point them to useful places.  Such as the definition 
> of/main chapter on
> "concept" and such.  If "concept" is also mentioned briefly 
> in sentences
> such as "also see concept in chapter xx" then you definitely 
> don't want
> an index entry to point there.
> Also, if there is a chapter or big section on "concept", just 
> index the 
> start
> of it.  "concept" may be mentioned several times in that text 
> over several
> pages - indexing all of it does not make sense.  People will want to
> be directed to the start - the index is normally _not_ for documenting
> every occurence of some word.
> 
> Helge Hafting
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Creating an Index

[Kevin Pfeiffer]

Jack M. Lyon writes:
> Helge Hafting wrote:
> > the index is normally _not_ for documenting
> > every occurence of some word.

> How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX

Yes, that would be great!

Because we were doing an "index of persons" and (for better or worse) 
_wanted_ every mention included, I modified an existing scripts to 
search through each time and add Idx tags for a list of about 50+ 
names.

In the few cases were we didn't do this, it was, one could say, "pure 
hell," when an index entry needed to be changed; because of sorting 
criteria, mothers' maiden names, etc., this happened more often than 
one would imagine.

With my indexer, I only needed to update my list; by hand it meant 
finding and editing/removing/updating every Idx occurrence of each 
index entry.

> It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
> entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
> them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Something similar to the already existing labels and references (or 
bibliography) feature would be useful. You create an Index "label" 
entry that is added to the Index master list; when you want to add an 
Idx tag you select your Index label from the list (just like adding a 
reference to a label). Then if the index entry changes (or is to not be 
used), you only need to fix this once and not at every appearance.

Yes, cool. 

-Kevin

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Tiros-Translations

Default behaviour of float

[Sanders, Maarten (M.J.L.)]

Hi,

Is there some way (e.g. in a .layout) to tell LyX to automatically
center the contents of a float environment (image and caption)?

Maarten

Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Nusret BALCI]

[OOPS, it went to Georg's private inbox :(. My
apologies!]

Thank you Georg.

Well, I don't know whether that would be possible, but
if Uwe could provide a windows installer capable of
side-by-side installation (bundling a binary version
built as Georg mentioned), that could be good for a
transition and evaluation period. What do you think,
people?

Just an idea...
Regards,

Nusret


--- Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nusret BALCI wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > Will it be possible to install LyX 1.4 alongside
> 1.3.7
> > when it's released? Thank you!
> 
> Yes, this is possible if you install from source and
> use the
> --with-version-suffix switch of the configure
> script.
> 
> 
> Georg
> 
> 


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xforms needed question

[Tom Poe]

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate 
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error 
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I 
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the 
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.

Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
 Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
 Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell use-ispell
 C   Compiler:   gcc
 C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
 C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
 C++ Compiler flags: -O
 Linker flags:
 Frontend:   xforms
   libXpm version:   4.11
   libforms version:
 Packaging:  posix
   LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
   LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

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Re: Creating an Index

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack M. Lyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Helge Hafting'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: Creating an Index



How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:


I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.


It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?

Best wishes,
Jack M. Lyon


I think it is a great idea! Maybe it could interact with LyX like other
helper programs, Aspell, ImageMagick. That would divide the work
between creating the program and the LyX developers connecting it.
Developers for LyX are a limited resource with major projects in line.

I like the promise of DeXter,
Stephen 

Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: "Nusret BALCI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: side-by-side installation of 1.3.7 and 1.4.0



[OOPS, it went to Georg's private inbox :(. My
apologies!]

Thank you Georg.

Well, I don't know whether that would be possible, but
if Uwe could provide a windows installer capable of
side-by-side installation (bundling a binary version
built as Georg mentioned), that could be good for a
transition and evaluation period. What do you think,
people?

Just an idea...
Regards,

Nusret



This is an idea that works on Windows. I installed LyX137
to C:\Lyx and LyX140pre_x to C:\Lyx140

The config files are read under .../Application data/LyX
I have a link to that folder on my Desktop so I don't have
to navigate there all the time. 


I renamed /LyX to /Lyx137 and installed Lyx140 to /LyX
So there are two sets or directories containing preferences.

So when I want to use LyX137 I rename LyX which works
for LyX140 at the moment to LyX140. Then I rename the
folder LyX137, to LyX, which alternates the Lyx versions.
If I forget which LyXversion is named LyX, I can start
LyX first, or just notice that if there is a folder named 
Lyx137 or Lyx140 under /Application data which means 
the other one is running. I have two program starting icons

on my desktop, one name LyX137 and the other LyX140,
which link to the two different lyx.bat installation folders.

Maybe that sounded complicated, but it takes less than
15 seconds to switch back and forth by renaming folders. 
I don't know if it is this easy using Linux, but there should

be a way.

Regards,
Stephen 

Re: xforms needed question

[John Pye]

Did you try
http://apt.ling.li/rpms/lyx/

Works for me, although I use the Qt version. But the xforms file is 
there as well.


JP

Tom Poe wrote:

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate 
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an 
error message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know 
where I can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and 
follow the INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.

Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
 Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
 Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

 C   Compiler:   gcc
 C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
 C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
 C++ Compiler flags: -O
 Linker flags:
 Frontend:   xforms
   libXpm version:   4.11
   libforms version:
 Packaging:  posix
   LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
   LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms 
library

  is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
  is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

Re: xforms needed question

[Jose' Matos]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:
> I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
> the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
> message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
> can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
> INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
> Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
> Configuration
>   Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
>   Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell use-ispell
>   C   Compiler:   gcc
>   C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
>   C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
>   C++ Compiler flags: -O
>   Linker flags:
>   Frontend:   xforms
> libXpm version:   4.11
> libforms version:
>   Packaging:  posix
> LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
> LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
>  The following problems have been detected by configure.
>  Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
>  (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
> ** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
>is correctly installed on your system.
> ** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
>is correctly installed on your system.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]

Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in addition 
to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

-- 
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Using XY packages

[Stacia Hartleben]

I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the "display equation" button.

Re: xforms needed question

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jose' Matos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: xforms needed question


On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:

I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
  Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
  Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

  C   Compiler:   gcc
  C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
  C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
  C++ Compiler flags: -O
  Linker flags:
  Frontend:   xforms
libXpm version:   4.11
libforms version:
  Packaging:  posix
LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]


Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in addition
to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

--
José Abílio

ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/pre/

This folder includes the xforms1.0 rpm,src and developer files. I
tested this Windows and started the download by double-clicking
and also right-click and copy to folder on my home machine.

I just built this yesterday. http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Download

I saw the lyx-1.3.7.tar.gz  file first and used it because I didn't
see the  lyx-1.3.7-1fc4_qt.i386.rpm  below it.

I think tar.gz doesn't get added to the rpm installed list,
so maybe the rpm is better. I did have LyX 1.3.6 installed
by rpm so I started with rpm -e lyx

When I read INSTALL, I think it uses xforms by default and
I didn't mess with it. Just ran ./configure I think the process
_might_ have stopped with a missing lib.png.so.2 error message.
(unless that came from the dvipdfm package which I wanted to
test which is why I installed LyX137)
Maybe I deleted it with the rpm erase of LyX136, I don't know.
Anyway I fixed it by using   yum install lib.png.so.2
which works pretty automatically most of the time for most files.
I haven't tried it, yum install xforms. Anyway you have the link.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: Using XY packages

[Stephen Harris]

- Original Message - 
From: "Stacia Hartleben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "LyX Users" 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Using XY packages


I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the "display equation" 
button.


Prof. Gumm has a nice tutorial for using XYpic for LyX at
http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/xypic.pdf

XYpic works in LyX137 (not perfectly) but support was removed
from LyX140. Support may be put back in with LyX1.4.1
Prof. Gumm is a possible resource to answer your question.

I don't no,
Stephen

Re: Using XY packages

[Stephen Harris]

- - Original Message - 
From: "Stacia Hartleben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "LyX Users" 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Using XY packages


I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/

I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the "display equation" 
button.


Sara Stymne contributed:

... "wasn't actually using xypic, but xyling which is a linguistic tree
package built on xypic, and thus I could not use it in LyX directly, so
I constructed the pictures in ERT. Should probably have mentioned that
in the first mail, but I didn't think about it"...

---
Re: Screen Captures in Documents
Hi!

I have no solution, but a related problem...

In LyX I canot use insert->graphics from the menu. I think this is
because LyX uses the graphics package and that it somehow conflicts with
the gb4e package that I also use. When I remove gb4e graphic-insertion
seems to work, but not the gb4e-stuff of course. I found a workaround to
this, using graphicxs and include pictures with ERT. It works, but LyX
does not seem to be capable to convert png to eps, when not using
pdflatex, which I believe it does when inserting throw the menu.  And I
prefer not to use pdflatex, because it seems to make the quality of my
xypic-figures quite bad.


Perhaps emailing her will be helpful.

Re: Using XY packages

[Stacia Hartleben]

Wow, I actually did get it to work, which is sad since the support is
going away in 1.4!
 For example:
\xymatrix{& \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP} & & \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It} & & \xyterminal{is raining} }

Will display a small syntax tree. Awesome!!

On 2/16/06, Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - - Original Message -
> From: "Stacia Hartleben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "LyX Users" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM
> Subject: Using XY packages
>
>
> I saw something about viewing XY figures in LyX and I got it to work.
> Can I get this to work with other packages that use XY, like this one?
> http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/xytree/
>
> I couldn't seem to get that to work when I tried the "display equation"
> button.
>
> Sara Stymne contributed:
>
>  ... "wasn't actually using xypic, but xyling which is a linguistic tree
> package built on xypic, and thus I could not use it in LyX directly, so
> I constructed the pictures in ERT. Should probably have mentioned that
> in the first mail, but I didn't think about it"...
>
> ---
> Re: Screen Captures in Documents
> Hi!
>
> I have no solution, but a related problem...
>
> In LyX I canot use insert->graphics from the menu. I think this is
> because LyX uses the graphics package and that it somehow conflicts with
> the gb4e package that I also use. When I remove gb4e graphic-insertion
> seems to work, but not the gb4e-stuff of course. I found a workaround to
> this, using graphicxs and include pictures with ERT. It works, but LyX
> does not seem to be capable to convert png to eps, when not using
> pdflatex, which I believe it does when inserting throw the menu.  And I
> prefer not to use pdflatex, because it seems to make the quality of my
> xypic-figures quite bad.
> 
>
> Perhaps emailing her will be helpful.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: xforms needed question

[Tom Poe]

Stephen Harris wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Jose' Matos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: xforms needed question


On Thursday 16 February 2006 22:52, Tom Poe wrote:


I checked for xforms download, and ran into problems trying to locate
the proper file.  The Redhat link for rpm, for example, gave me an error
message that it couldn't change ftp directory.  Does anyone know where I
can download Xforms files?  Or, should I try to use QT, and follow the
INSTALL directions?  I'm using the Gnome GUI, not the KDE GUI.
Here's message when I tried to install 1.3.7 on FC4:
Configuration
  Host type:  i686-pc-linux-gnu
  Special build flags:xforms-image-loader use-pspell 
use-ispell

  C   Compiler:   gcc
  C   Compiler flags: -g -O2
  C++ Compiler:   g++ (4.0.2)
  C++ Compiler flags: -O
  Linker flags:
  Frontend:   xforms
libXpm version:   4.11
libforms version:
  Packaging:  posix
LyX binary dir:   /usr/local/bin
LyX files dir:/usr/local/share/lyx
 The following problems have been detected by configure.
 Please check the messages below before running 'make'.
 (see the section 'Problems' in the INSTALL file)
** Cannot find libforms or libxforms. Please check that the xforms 
library

   is correctly installed on your system.
** Cannot find forms.h. Please check that the forms library
   is correctly installed on your system.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] lyx-1.3.7]



Usually this errors means that you need to install xforms-devel, in 
addition

to xforms (if we are speaking about rpms).

Stephen:  Well, futzed around, then decided to log out, set session to 
KDE, and ran the command, 'yum xforms'.  It worked magically!  This was 
my first experience with yum.  I then ran the command 'yum install lyx' 
and again, magic!  I am now up and running.  Thanks, much!

Installed: lyx.i386 0:1.3.7-5.fc4
Dependency Installed: aiksaurus.i386 1:1.2.1-7 lyx-qt.i386 0:1.3.7-5.fc4 
mathml-fonts.noarch 0:1.0-19.fc4

Complete!

Tom
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Open Studios
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Re: LyX on Mac --Very first draft of a visual installation guide

[Anders Ekberg]

Thanks Christian,

I will try to upload the pictures and add additional material (you're  
right, the example files could be good). I will also try to continue  
with instruction on how to add templates, etc. Unfortunately I'm  
locked up until the end of next week, so it may take some time.


/Anders

christian . ridderstrom
Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:33:20 -0800

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Anders Ekberg wrote:

> I had an idea to create a visual installation guide for absolute
> beginners.

...

> http://www.am.chalmers.se/~anek/temp/LyX_www/LyXonMac.html
>
> The focus is on Mac-users. I plan on continue with how to use/ 
install

> templates, some troubleshooting and then just leave links to where
> "platform independent" use is described, e.g. http://wiki.lyx.org/ 
LyX/

> NewInLyX14
> Hopefully it can be ready for the 1.4 release.
>
> All comments & suggestions are welcome.

You're more than welcome to place the guide on the wiki - it should  
work
well. Actually, as a relaxation exercise I took ten minutes and  
used your

webpage as original and put a "wikified copy" of it here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground/LyXOnMacInstallGuide

This is just to show you how the markup would be in case you'd like to
keep it on the wiki. If so, we should move it out of the playground  
area

:-)

Right now the images are all links to your site - the images can of  
course

also be stored on the wiki, they can simply be uploaded using the file
manager.
http://wiki.lyx.org/ipfm/index.php/
where user=lyx, password=LyXers.

If you'd like to split the information over several pages, there's
something called 'wiki trail' [1] that's an easy way to help the
reader go betweeen the pages (prev/next/up).

regards
/Christian

PS. Let me know if you'd like to use the wiki for this and run into  
any

problems

PPS. I placed a comment at the end.. perhaps links to the actual
.lyx-examples are useful (with/without ae), as well as the  
corresponding

PDFs?

TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!

[Stacia Hartleben]

Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial 
(http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!

Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
example things like this:

\xymatrix{& \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP} & & \xytrinode{VP} \\
\xyterminal{It} & & \xyterminal{is raining} }

\xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }

The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.

Re: Ling-TeX: TIPA (IPA) and limited tree support previews in LyX, working!

[Stacia Hartleben]

Sorry about the spam, but I figured out how to get simple trees from
qtree working (I much prefer it to xytree, but I thought only that
might work because of the xy library or something) Try a tree like
this:
\xymatrix{\text{\Tree[.S [.N This ] [.V is ] [.NP [.Det a ] [.N test ] ] ] } }

and then hit the convert to formula button. Yay! Doesn't work with
qtree, though, for some reason.

On 2/17/06, Stacia Hartleben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there! I was messing around after looking at this tutorial
> (http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/XY-pic) on how to get XY pic to work on LyX
> and I got some limited tree support with xytree and TIPA working!
>
> Here's what you do. Install xytree and tipa packages. Then try some
> example things like this:
>
> \xymatrix{& \xynode[-1,1]{S} \\ \xynode[0]{NP} & & \xytrinode{VP} \\
> \xyterminal{It} & & \xyterminal{is raining} }
>
> \xymatrix{ \text{\textipa{ABCDEFGHIJKLMOPQRS} } }
>
> The first will display a tree the second will display some text with
> TIPA right before your very eyes. Read more on the xytree package
> about how to make other trees and stuff. Just remember to replace
> xytree with xymatrix. I heard that this support was going out in LyX
> 1.4, but this makes me very sad. Since it's so easy to add the support
> for trees and TIPA like this, why not add it for real in the next
> release? I'm sure it would make many linguists very happy.
>
>

Re: Creating an Index

[Helge Hafting]

Jack M. Lyon wrote:


Helge Hafting wrote:

 


the index is normally _not_ for documenting
every occurence of some word.
   



Amen.

How about creating a real indexing feature for LyX that would allow
users to index a document in the way Helge has described:

 


I did it the other way around, I
read the manuscript and indexed every important concept
I came across.
   



Sorry if this sounds like a plug--I really mean it as a suggested
addition to LyX--but you might look at my indexing add-in for MS Word as
a model for what could be done in LyX:

http://www.editorium.com/dexter.htm

 


Interesting!


Indexing is done, by hand, in a sortable table. After the entries are
finished, they're embedded in the document.

For LyX, it might be possible to do this even more elegantly, by showing
the generated index every time the document is generated with LaTeX, or,
better still, by showing it (updated) in the LyX UI every time an index
entry is added to or modified in the table.

It's important for the indexer to be able to see and edit all index
entries in the same place and at the same time rather than just have
them spread througout the document--hence, the table.

Wow, this would be a *cool* feature for LyX. What do you think?
 


It'd be a cool feature, sure.  And very useful.  Lyx being open source means
this can be integrated rather than being an add-on. I think the perfect
solution would be to still have all the index entries spread throughout the
document - so that they move around automatically as I cut/copy and
paste.  But there should also be this "table view" for smart editing of
the index.  Showing the generated index is indeed possible, by
using the existing mechanism for showing rendered formulas.  Well,
it takes a lot more time as you typically need to render the entire
document to get the page numbers.  So "index preview" should
be optional. 


Helge Hafting

software manuals using Lyx

[John Pye]

Hi there,

Can anyone tell me if there is an up-to-date HOWTO somewhere for using
Lyx for DocBook output of software user's manuals?

In particular, I want to be able to generate 'chm'  files for Windows,
and DocBook XML for GNOME ('yelp' help browser). Is this something that
other people on the list are doing?

I found this but it's 5 years old, and hopefully things have become
easier...
http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/

If such a HOWTO /doesn't/ exist, maybe there'd be someone willing to
collaborate on putting it together?

Cheers
JP

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