Re: LyX Forum?

[Manveru]

2009/3/30 Piero Faustini pierofaust...@hotmail.com

 

 Hello once again.

 I can't reply to all.
 [...]

Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple.
 And
 it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old
 (whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single
 human
 being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't
 care
 about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find
 it
 terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of
 intelligence/culture, I
 think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age).


Somehow you replied yourself. I do not think in that case LyX is for your
sister, I think much more relevant tool for her is docs.google.com. It is
web based text editor able to produce HTML and PDF - quite nice.


 [...]At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to
 be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain
 is
 not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible,
 choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the
 younger
 and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon.
 Saying that  neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet
 is
 perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the
 internet
 (or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT
 uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where
 it
 will go.


I do not know hot to express it precisely. I expect from others as I expect
from myself to be prepared to take the knowledge from others - teachers,
coworkers... Today I often feel that large number of people treats knowledge
as a necessary evil. You mentioned evolution of Web 2.0 culture and its
habits, but have you ever think about difference between level of its users
and its creators? Guys coding CMS, Wiki and other stuff still uses
maillists, even if there old. New tools are use to documenting (LyX has
Wiki) and buqtracking (LyX has bugzilla). Lists are easy to use for all
those geeks, becase they're faster, easier to read. I am sure that busy
proffesionals do not have time to read forums and they feel anger when they
have to spent time clicking all these slowly loading pages full of
advertisements.

 I miss that times before commercialized Internet.

 [...]
 I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last
 time I
 installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would
 have
 never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and
 now
 it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future.
 Full
 stop.


I have to write that: I think you choose your way of computing. You are very
good client for google products. But you are trying to convince couple
hunderd people that your way is the best. This does not work this way. You
can argue with us even with arguments as given below or all mentioned
ealier. Probably most of us will agree with you in many places. But this
will not lanuch a revolution causing LyX users moving to forums.



 I only can tell you that you should keep your eyes open: faster, wider
 communication is THE need of the present. I just gave voice to the majority
 of
 non-computer-geeks, non-technical/scientific academics which deserve a
 little
 more interest from the LaTeX community and most of all from LyX.
 [...]


I have eyes open widely. But I don't think I am looking in the same
direction as you. I am working on technologies which gives people like you
access to the internet wirelessly and I know what are future possibilities.
What is not going to change is the importance of e-mail in the business
world. Only amount of data sent through is changing. Btw. I remember the
time where sending 1MB attachment was an attack to recipient inbox. Today 10
MB is standard. And 7GB inbox too.




 Thanks to Manveru and to all for the replies.
 Regards.

 Piero


Thanks to you too. I think we can stop arguing at this point as nobody else
can convince anyone to change their mind. And I think LyX community will
left in current state for nexct couple of years... maybe some add
instruction to GMANE on the pages LyX mailists pages :-)

Regards!
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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Kornel Benko]

Am 2009-03-30 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
 Matthias Schmidt schrieb:
 
  plaese  where  can  I  find  the  standard  installer  für Lyx 1.6.2-1
  (LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe, 20  MB). 
 
 Have a look at ftp.lyx.org alternatively you can use the alternative Windows 
 installer. Both 
 installers set up LyX as best as possible.
 
 regards Uwe
 
And once again ...
there is no such installer as standard. Both are standard,  they only had to 
have different
names.
As pointed out elsewhere, there is Joost's installer and Uwe's installer.

Kornel


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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
 plaese  where  can  I  find  the  standard  installer  für Lyx 1.6.2-1
 (LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe, 20  MB).  I tried it with the link in the
 lyx-wiki  on http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Windows. There I get an error
 message 550 LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe: No such file or directory.

There are (again) some problems with the server. The installer is ready and 
should appear on the server sometimes today.

Jürgen

Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-03-27, Tao Cumplido wrote:

 When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: 'Some
 characters of your document are probably not representable in the
 chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.'

Actually, LyX's Unicode symbols translation is more comprehensive than
LaTeX's plain utf8, I don't know if there is any case left where
changing to utf8 would help. There are cases (e.g. polytonic Greek) when
changing to utf8x [UTF8 (ucs enhanced)] helps, though.

However, the capital sharp s is a recent addition to Unicode and not
supported by utf8 or utf8x. You can use it with the libertine font,
though (as pointed out by others).

 I searched the User's Guide and found in chapter 'B.7. Language' this
 part: 'All characters that cannot be encoded using the specified
 encoding will be exported as LATEX-commands (this can fail if a
 LATEX-command is not known for a particular character).'

 This passage has the following footnote attached: 'The known commands
 are defined in a text file. You can add commands for unknown symbols to
 that file yourself, see the Customization manual for details.'

 But I couldn't find anything on this topic in the Customization manual.

The file in question is called unicodesymbols and lives in the LYXDIR.
You can copy /usr/share/lyx/unicodesymbols to ~/.lyx/unicodesymbols
and modify it (on Windows the paths will differ).


With XeTeX, it only depends on the chosen font if the character is
available or not.

Günter

Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Anthony D Kendall]

I recently installed 1.6.2 in Windows XP and Mac OSX.4, and have been 
receiving the same error when inserting EPS format graphics:

Error converting to loadable format

As far as I can tell this only applies to EPS, and PNG/JPG work fine.

On both systems, for 1.5.6, the EPS preview worked well.

There is no problem viewing the document in DVI or PDF, and the output 
looks great.


I looked into this somewhat, and think it's likely an issue with the 
versions of ghostscript and imagemagick included in the 
alt-installer--or their lack thereof.  Neither program was installed 
with the alt-installer, and simply copying the two directories from an 
older install did not fix the problem.  I do have both programs 
installed elsewhere on my system, though this wasn't a problem with the 
1.5.6. installer. 

This happens with the small installer.  I tried running the complete 
installer, even uninstalling my existing MikTeX 2.7 installation.  But 
that installer fails after installing MikTeX for some reason.


Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a ready workaround?  This is 
really mostly an inconvenience, but having the figures shown in the lyx 
document makes writing about them much easier.


Anthony Kendall

Re: LyX Forum?

[Michael Wojcik]

Piero Faustini wrote:
 
 How many people use mailing lists? How many use forums? Say 1 lister every 20 
 forumers? Say 1 to 10 (and I'm fair)?

Fairness doesn't enter into it. Either you have data, or you don't.

 It's not me who says lists are
 difficoult, it's people. I never used lists before knowing LyX.

Perhaps it is possible that generalizing from your own experience is
not a productive research methodology in this case.

In addition to lyx-users, I subscribe to 9 email lists that I read
regularly. In the past, I've subscribed to at least as many others,
which I dropped only because their subject areas were no longer as
relevant to me.

I don't participate regularly in any web forums.

Email lists have been in widespread use for decades. They've endured
in the face of competitive technologies (Usenet, various web-based
systems, instant messaging) because for some purposes, a significant
number of users find them superior.

Everyone on lyx-users could use a web forum. That we choose not to
disproves your claim. In this instance, people have chosen to use the
list.

 It's 10 years since last time I disabled cookies.

Hurrah for you. Other people may make different choices.

 Children use forums.

Children who use LyX are welcome to discuss it in forums.

So, for that matter, are adults. Some of us don't want to.

 Lists are difficoult to use comparing to their advantages, so they are 
 for PRO users, almost always have been, and in future I guess they will be 
 ONLY 
 for pro.

Utter nonsense. Look at the history of BITNET lists, for example.

There is a regrettable tendency, in discussing computer culture, to
offer spurious claims about the history of computing as support for
arguing that technology X is superior, intuitive, usable, etc.
This happens frequently in academia (I've seen a number of scholars
make these arguments just in the past year), and even more often in
casual argumentation.

These arguments are unpersuasive for at least two reasons. First,
their historical claims, as I noted, are generally not supported by
any data; and they're often contradicted by the data that is
available. Second, they endorse the most naive sort of teleological
narrative. Even if more users chose technology X in the past, that
hardly implies that technology X is better, or that moving to
technology X would attract more users, or that any other benefit
automatically attaches to technology X.

Indeed, this is the entire proposition of LyX: that it's better, at
least for some purposes, than Microsoft Word. More people use Word.
Children use Word. That doesn't prove Word is better; it doesn't prove
Word is easier; it doesn't prove that more people would switch to LyX
if it were more like Word.

-- 
Michael Wojcik
Micro Focus
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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jürgen Spitzmüller schrieb:

There are (again) some problems with the server. The installer is ready and 
should appear on the server sometimes today.


I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only refer to the ftp site and not to 
special filenames. This prevents further problems when an installer is not available or a bug was 
fixed in the installer so that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?


regards Uwe

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only 
refer to the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents 
further problems when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed 
in the installer so that there is a new filename for it. OK with you 
Jürgen?


I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a 
list of files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.

regards Uwe

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Christian Ridderström]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:





 I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only refer to
 the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents further problems
 when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed in the installer so
 that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?

I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a list of 
files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.


Could we use some clever way to automatically let the web/wiki figure out 
which package is the latest?


/Christian



 regards Uwe






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Re: LyX Forum?

[Paul A. Rubin]

FWIW ...

I subscribe to both lists and forums, although I prefer to view lists as 
newsgroups where that's an option (such as this list, which I access via 
the GMANE group).  A forum that supplies RSS feeds is not too different 
in many respects from a newsgroup.


One advantage that I think a forum might have over the current 
list/group structure is that on most forums (at least the forums I 
visit), I can scroll down a thread and see all the message text in one 
gulp.  With a long thread, such as this one, I need to access each 
message separately to read it, and I'm much too lazy for that.


That said, I have no problem with the current setup.

/Paul

new user

[Paul Sutton]

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Hi

I am fairly new to lyx and latex,  so far its pretty good I have figured
out how to do citations and chemical formulas etc,  which is much easier
than using a word processor for such tasks.

I have been trying to work on a nicely formatted document to list all
the command (key bindings) for the joe command reference on lyx under
ubuntu 8.10. lyx 1.5.6.

This is for the linux documentation project, so I have done a similar
document just need to update it, which is what I am using lyx for   

I put all the data in tables,  but I think this was a bad idea, as the
newlines etc are causing problems,  what I want to go back to is a
document without all the table tags in,  so it just lists what was in
the table in the lyx document

things like

^B  Left^F  Right
^P  Up  ^N  Down


right now this is in a table, but I want it not in a table, I can't seem
to find out how to highlight the table and just remove it,

the code for the above is

\begin{tabular}{|c|c|c|c|}
\hline
\textasciicircum{}B  Left  \textasciicircum{}F  Right\tabularnewline
\hline
\hline
\textasciicircum{}P  Up  \textasciicircum{}N  Down\tabularnewline
\hline
\end{tabular}\begin{tabular}{|c|c|}
\hline
\textasciicircum{}Z  Previous Word\tabularnewline
\hline
\hline
\textasciicircum{}X  Next Word\tabularnewline
\hline
\end{tabular}

so there has to be a way to undo the table bit.  Even if its a perl or
bash script that I can run on the file and have it remove the
appropriate code.

thanks for any help.

Paul Sutton

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Re: Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Paul A. Rubin]

Anthony D Kendall wrote:
I recently installed 1.6.2 in Windows XP and Mac OSX.4, and have been 
receiving the same error when inserting EPS format graphics:

Error converting to loadable format

As far as I can tell this only applies to EPS, and PNG/JPG work fine.

On both systems, for 1.5.6, the EPS preview worked well.

There is no problem viewing the document in DVI or PDF, and the output 
looks great.


I looked into this somewhat, and think it's likely an issue with the 
versions of ghostscript and imagemagick included in the 
alt-installer--or their lack thereof.  Neither program was installed 
with the alt-installer, and simply copying the two directories from an 
older install did not fix the problem.  I do have both programs 
installed elsewhere on my system, though this wasn't a problem with the 
1.5.6. installer.
This happens with the small installer.  I tried running the complete 
installer, even uninstalling my existing MikTeX 2.7 installation.  But 
that installer fails after installing MikTeX for some reason.


Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a ready workaround?  This is 
really mostly an inconvenience, but having the figures shown in the lyx 
document makes writing about them much easier.




Do you have the bin directories for GS and IM on your system command 
path in XP (and whatever the analog is called in OS/X)?  If not, you 
might try adding them to the command path and then 
reconfiguring/restarting LyX.


/Paul

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Joost Verburg]

Christian Ridderström wrote:
 I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only 
refer to
 the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents further 
problems
 when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed in the 
installer so

 that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?

I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a 
list of files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to 
choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.


Could we use some clever way to automatically let the web/wiki figure 
out which package is the latest?


We never had this problem before, because the page is updated after the 
files are uploaded to the FTP. But somehow the file did not appear on 
the FTP server for anonymous users and Jürgen probably didn't realize 
that when he updated the page.


I don't think the change is a good idea. We agreed before that there 
should be a link to the standard installer for users who don't know 
about the differences between the installers. Experienced LyX users can 
click the FTP link and choose which package they prefer.


Joost

Search for Environment?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

For years, Microsoft Word has had something that would be cool in LyX --- 
search for environment (or charstyle). I just found myself wondering if I had 
redundant copies of a story in my book, and so wanted to search for all text 
in Story environment, but there's no way to do it as far as I can tell.

SteveT

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How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Brett Randall]

Hey all

I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
to stop this from happening?

Thanks!

Brett


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Re: How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi Brett,

There is probably a more elegant way of doing this but putting just an
empty space in the date field should do what you want. Latex only
fills the date field if it is totally empty

Murat

2009/3/30 Brett Randall br...@hillsong.com:
 Hey all

 I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
 the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
 to stop this from happening?

 Thanks!

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Re: How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 08:34 +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
 Hey all
 
 I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
 the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
 to stop this from happening?
 

In LaTeX preamble (Document  Settings  LaTeX Preamble)
type \date{}

Regards
was

Re: How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Brett Randall]

Thanks! Worked a treat.

Brett.

 Waluyo == Waluyo Adi Siswanto was.u...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 08:34 +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
 Hey all
 
 I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to
 display the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is
 there any way to stop this from happening?
 

In LaTeX preamble (Document  Settings  LaTeX Preamble)
 type \date{}

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Re: LyX Forum?

[Nikos Alexandris]

Just my view upon this:

I find mailing lists (ML) very convenient and I don't follow forums in
general except of the ubuntuforums.org. But MLs have several
drawbacks.

One thing that is not that good in MLs are LONG threads as the current
one. It's hard to follow sometimes and people tend to post irrelevant
stuff on a ML-thread or change the subject of it so a new thread starts
when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
drawback.

Fora require more energy to maintain but provide means to organize
information better. Of course, the LyX-wiki is very good which fulfills
most of what the ML doesn't satisfy.

That said, I think a ML + Wiki are enough. Without the wiki, the forum
would be a must-have.

Kindest regards, Nikos

Re: Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I have the same problem. However, only with SOME eps files.
In my case EPS files generated by Matlab just don't show in LyX,
but those from some other sources do show in LyX (for example
those in the user guide).

My only workaround has been to convert the EPS into PDF manually
(in OS X just use preview). If you need to export as LaTeX/eps, you can
just export as pdflatex, but compile with plain latex (if you export
as plain latex, LyX will try to convert the PDF files back to
EPS and overwrite the original files).

Re: LyX Forum?

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 30 March 2009 08:38:21 pm Nikos Alexandris wrote:

 when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
 ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
 drawback.

When I ask a question and then either am giving an answer or figure one out, I 
reply one more time to the thread and append SOLVED to the subject. That's 
a pretty commonly known technique recommended by ESR:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#followup

But all too few people choose to use it.

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Re: Search for Environment?

[Florian Rubach]

Steve Litt schrieb:

Hi all,

For years, Microsoft Word has had something that would be cool in LyX --- 
search for environment (or charstyle). I just found myself wondering if I had 
redundant copies of a story in my book, and so wanted to search for all text 
in Story environment, but there's no way to do it as far as I can tell.


SteveT


Hi Steve,
I think what you are looking for is implemented by the LyX 
2.0-Advanced-Search-Feature by Tommaso Cucinotta, as you can see here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MR_O1ctIAY

Is that it?

Regards,
Florian

Re: LyX Forum?

[Nikos Alexandris]

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:05 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Monday 30 March 2009 08:38:21 pm Nikos Alexandris wrote:
 
  when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
  ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
  drawback.
 
 When I ask a question and then either am giving an answer or figure one out, 
 I 
 reply one more time to the thread and append SOLVED to the subject. That's 
 a pretty commonly known technique recommended by ESR:
 
 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#followup
 
 But all too few people choose to use it.
 
 SteveT

Thanks Steve. I didn't know it works like that.

Don't you really start a new thread by changing the subject? I this is
the case, the information is still not organised/concentrated in one
place as it should be.

Cheers, Nikos

Re: LyX Forum?

[Manveru]

2009/3/30 Piero Faustini pierofaust...@hotmail.com

 

 Hello once again.

 I can't reply to all.
 [...]

Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple.
 And
 it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old
 (whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single
 human
 being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't
 care
 about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find
 it
 terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of
 intelligence/culture, I
 think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age).


Somehow you replied yourself. I do not think in that case LyX is for your
sister, I think much more relevant tool for her is docs.google.com. It is
web based text editor able to produce HTML and PDF - quite nice.


 [...]At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to
 be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain
 is
 not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible,
 choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the
 younger
 and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon.
 Saying that  neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet
 is
 perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the
 internet
 (or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT
 uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where
 it
 will go.


I do not know hot to express it precisely. I expect from others as I expect
from myself to be prepared to take the knowledge from others - teachers,
coworkers... Today I often feel that large number of people treats knowledge
as a necessary evil. You mentioned evolution of Web 2.0 culture and its
habits, but have you ever think about difference between level of its users
and its creators? Guys coding CMS, Wiki and other stuff still uses
maillists, even if there old. New tools are use to documenting (LyX has
Wiki) and buqtracking (LyX has bugzilla). Lists are easy to use for all
those geeks, becase they're faster, easier to read. I am sure that busy
proffesionals do not have time to read forums and they feel anger when they
have to spent time clicking all these slowly loading pages full of
advertisements.

 I miss that times before commercialized Internet.

 [...]
 I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last
 time I
 installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would
 have
 never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and
 now
 it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future.
 Full
 stop.


I have to write that: I think you choose your way of computing. You are very
good client for google products. But you are trying to convince couple
hunderd people that your way is the best. This does not work this way. You
can argue with us even with arguments as given below or all mentioned
ealier. Probably most of us will agree with you in many places. But this
will not lanuch a revolution causing LyX users moving to forums.



 I only can tell you that you should keep your eyes open: faster, wider
 communication is THE need of the present. I just gave voice to the majority
 of
 non-computer-geeks, non-technical/scientific academics which deserve a
 little
 more interest from the LaTeX community and most of all from LyX.
 [...]


I have eyes open widely. But I don't think I am looking in the same
direction as you. I am working on technologies which gives people like you
access to the internet wirelessly and I know what are future possibilities.
What is not going to change is the importance of e-mail in the business
world. Only amount of data sent through is changing. Btw. I remember the
time where sending 1MB attachment was an attack to recipient inbox. Today 10
MB is standard. And 7GB inbox too.




 Thanks to Manveru and to all for the replies.
 Regards.

 Piero


Thanks to you too. I think we can stop arguing at this point as nobody else
can convince anyone to change their mind. And I think LyX community will
left in current state for nexct couple of years... maybe some add
instruction to GMANE on the pages LyX mailists pages :-)

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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Kornel Benko]

Am 2009-03-30 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
 Matthias Schmidt schrieb:
 
  plaese  where  can  I  find  the  standard  installer  für Lyx 1.6.2-1
  (LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe, 20  MB). 
 
 Have a look at ftp.lyx.org alternatively you can use the alternative Windows 
 installer. Both 
 installers set up LyX as best as possible.
 
 regards Uwe
 
And once again ...
there is no such installer as standard. Both are standard,  they only had to 
have different
names.
As pointed out elsewhere, there is Joost's installer and Uwe's installer.

Kornel


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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
 plaese  where  can  I  find  the  standard  installer  für Lyx 1.6.2-1
 (LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe, 20  MB).  I tried it with the link in the
 lyx-wiki  on http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Windows. There I get an error
 message 550 LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe: No such file or directory.

There are (again) some problems with the server. The installer is ready and 
should appear on the server sometimes today.

Jürgen

Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-03-27, Tao Cumplido wrote:

 When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: 'Some
 characters of your document are probably not representable in the
 chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.'

Actually, LyX's Unicode symbols translation is more comprehensive than
LaTeX's plain utf8, I don't know if there is any case left where
changing to utf8 would help. There are cases (e.g. polytonic Greek) when
changing to utf8x [UTF8 (ucs enhanced)] helps, though.

However, the capital sharp s is a recent addition to Unicode and not
supported by utf8 or utf8x. You can use it with the libertine font,
though (as pointed out by others).

 I searched the User's Guide and found in chapter 'B.7. Language' this
 part: 'All characters that cannot be encoded using the specified
 encoding will be exported as LATEX-commands (this can fail if a
 LATEX-command is not known for a particular character).'

 This passage has the following footnote attached: 'The known commands
 are defined in a text file. You can add commands for unknown symbols to
 that file yourself, see the Customization manual for details.'

 But I couldn't find anything on this topic in the Customization manual.

The file in question is called unicodesymbols and lives in the LYXDIR.
You can copy /usr/share/lyx/unicodesymbols to ~/.lyx/unicodesymbols
and modify it (on Windows the paths will differ).


With XeTeX, it only depends on the chosen font if the character is
available or not.

Günter

Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Anthony D Kendall]

I recently installed 1.6.2 in Windows XP and Mac OSX.4, and have been 
receiving the same error when inserting EPS format graphics:

Error converting to loadable format

As far as I can tell this only applies to EPS, and PNG/JPG work fine.

On both systems, for 1.5.6, the EPS preview worked well.

There is no problem viewing the document in DVI or PDF, and the output 
looks great.


I looked into this somewhat, and think it's likely an issue with the 
versions of ghostscript and imagemagick included in the 
alt-installer--or their lack thereof.  Neither program was installed 
with the alt-installer, and simply copying the two directories from an 
older install did not fix the problem.  I do have both programs 
installed elsewhere on my system, though this wasn't a problem with the 
1.5.6. installer. 

This happens with the small installer.  I tried running the complete 
installer, even uninstalling my existing MikTeX 2.7 installation.  But 
that installer fails after installing MikTeX for some reason.


Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a ready workaround?  This is 
really mostly an inconvenience, but having the figures shown in the lyx 
document makes writing about them much easier.


Anthony Kendall

Re: LyX Forum?

[Michael Wojcik]

Piero Faustini wrote:
 
 How many people use mailing lists? How many use forums? Say 1 lister every 20 
 forumers? Say 1 to 10 (and I'm fair)?

Fairness doesn't enter into it. Either you have data, or you don't.

 It's not me who says lists are
 difficoult, it's people. I never used lists before knowing LyX.

Perhaps it is possible that generalizing from your own experience is
not a productive research methodology in this case.

In addition to lyx-users, I subscribe to 9 email lists that I read
regularly. In the past, I've subscribed to at least as many others,
which I dropped only because their subject areas were no longer as
relevant to me.

I don't participate regularly in any web forums.

Email lists have been in widespread use for decades. They've endured
in the face of competitive technologies (Usenet, various web-based
systems, instant messaging) because for some purposes, a significant
number of users find them superior.

Everyone on lyx-users could use a web forum. That we choose not to
disproves your claim. In this instance, people have chosen to use the
list.

 It's 10 years since last time I disabled cookies.

Hurrah for you. Other people may make different choices.

 Children use forums.

Children who use LyX are welcome to discuss it in forums.

So, for that matter, are adults. Some of us don't want to.

 Lists are difficoult to use comparing to their advantages, so they are 
 for PRO users, almost always have been, and in future I guess they will be 
 ONLY 
 for pro.

Utter nonsense. Look at the history of BITNET lists, for example.

There is a regrettable tendency, in discussing computer culture, to
offer spurious claims about the history of computing as support for
arguing that technology X is superior, intuitive, usable, etc.
This happens frequently in academia (I've seen a number of scholars
make these arguments just in the past year), and even more often in
casual argumentation.

These arguments are unpersuasive for at least two reasons. First,
their historical claims, as I noted, are generally not supported by
any data; and they're often contradicted by the data that is
available. Second, they endorse the most naive sort of teleological
narrative. Even if more users chose technology X in the past, that
hardly implies that technology X is better, or that moving to
technology X would attract more users, or that any other benefit
automatically attaches to technology X.

Indeed, this is the entire proposition of LyX: that it's better, at
least for some purposes, than Microsoft Word. More people use Word.
Children use Word. That doesn't prove Word is better; it doesn't prove
Word is easier; it doesn't prove that more people would switch to LyX
if it were more like Word.

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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jürgen Spitzmüller schrieb:

There are (again) some problems with the server. The installer is ready and 
should appear on the server sometimes today.


I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only refer to the ftp site and not to 
special filenames. This prevents further problems when an installer is not available or a bug was 
fixed in the installer so that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?


regards Uwe

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only 
refer to the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents 
further problems when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed 
in the installer so that there is a new filename for it. OK with you 
Jürgen?


I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a 
list of files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.

regards Uwe

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Christian Ridderström]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:





 I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only refer to
 the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents further problems
 when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed in the installer so
 that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?

I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a list of 
files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.


Could we use some clever way to automatically let the web/wiki figure out 
which package is the latest?


/Christian



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Re: LyX Forum?

[Paul A. Rubin]

FWIW ...

I subscribe to both lists and forums, although I prefer to view lists as 
newsgroups where that's an option (such as this list, which I access via 
the GMANE group).  A forum that supplies RSS feeds is not too different 
in many respects from a newsgroup.


One advantage that I think a forum might have over the current 
list/group structure is that on most forums (at least the forums I 
visit), I can scroll down a thread and see all the message text in one 
gulp.  With a long thread, such as this one, I need to access each 
message separately to read it, and I'm much too lazy for that.


That said, I have no problem with the current setup.

/Paul

new user

[Paul Sutton]

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Hi

I am fairly new to lyx and latex,  so far its pretty good I have figured
out how to do citations and chemical formulas etc,  which is much easier
than using a word processor for such tasks.

I have been trying to work on a nicely formatted document to list all
the command (key bindings) for the joe command reference on lyx under
ubuntu 8.10. lyx 1.5.6.

This is for the linux documentation project, so I have done a similar
document just need to update it, which is what I am using lyx for   

I put all the data in tables,  but I think this was a bad idea, as the
newlines etc are causing problems,  what I want to go back to is a
document without all the table tags in,  so it just lists what was in
the table in the lyx document

things like

^B  Left^F  Right
^P  Up  ^N  Down


right now this is in a table, but I want it not in a table, I can't seem
to find out how to highlight the table and just remove it,

the code for the above is

\begin{tabular}{|c|c|c|c|}
\hline
\textasciicircum{}B  Left  \textasciicircum{}F  Right\tabularnewline
\hline
\hline
\textasciicircum{}P  Up  \textasciicircum{}N  Down\tabularnewline
\hline
\end{tabular}\begin{tabular}{|c|c|}
\hline
\textasciicircum{}Z  Previous Word\tabularnewline
\hline
\hline
\textasciicircum{}X  Next Word\tabularnewline
\hline
\end{tabular}

so there has to be a way to undo the table bit.  Even if its a perl or
bash script that I can run on the file and have it remove the
appropriate code.

thanks for any help.

Paul Sutton

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Re: Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Paul A. Rubin]

Anthony D Kendall wrote:
I recently installed 1.6.2 in Windows XP and Mac OSX.4, and have been 
receiving the same error when inserting EPS format graphics:

Error converting to loadable format

As far as I can tell this only applies to EPS, and PNG/JPG work fine.

On both systems, for 1.5.6, the EPS preview worked well.

There is no problem viewing the document in DVI or PDF, and the output 
looks great.


I looked into this somewhat, and think it's likely an issue with the 
versions of ghostscript and imagemagick included in the 
alt-installer--or their lack thereof.  Neither program was installed 
with the alt-installer, and simply copying the two directories from an 
older install did not fix the problem.  I do have both programs 
installed elsewhere on my system, though this wasn't a problem with the 
1.5.6. installer.
This happens with the small installer.  I tried running the complete 
installer, even uninstalling my existing MikTeX 2.7 installation.  But 
that installer fails after installing MikTeX for some reason.


Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a ready workaround?  This is 
really mostly an inconvenience, but having the figures shown in the lyx 
document makes writing about them much easier.




Do you have the bin directories for GS and IM on your system command 
path in XP (and whatever the analog is called in OS/X)?  If not, you 
might try adding them to the command path and then 
reconfiguring/restarting LyX.


/Paul

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Joost Verburg]

Christian Ridderström wrote:
 I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only 
refer to
 the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents further 
problems
 when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed in the 
installer so

 that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?

I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a 
list of files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to 
choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.


Could we use some clever way to automatically let the web/wiki figure 
out which package is the latest?


We never had this problem before, because the page is updated after the 
files are uploaded to the FTP. But somehow the file did not appear on 
the FTP server for anonymous users and Jürgen probably didn't realize 
that when he updated the page.


I don't think the change is a good idea. We agreed before that there 
should be a link to the standard installer for users who don't know 
about the differences between the installers. Experienced LyX users can 
click the FTP link and choose which package they prefer.


Joost

Search for Environment?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

For years, Microsoft Word has had something that would be cool in LyX --- 
search for environment (or charstyle). I just found myself wondering if I had 
redundant copies of a story in my book, and so wanted to search for all text 
in Story environment, but there's no way to do it as far as I can tell.

SteveT

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How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Brett Randall]

Hey all

I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
to stop this from happening?

Thanks!

Brett


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Re: How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi Brett,

There is probably a more elegant way of doing this but putting just an
empty space in the date field should do what you want. Latex only
fills the date field if it is totally empty

Murat

2009/3/30 Brett Randall br...@hillsong.com:
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 I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
 the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
 to stop this from happening?

 Thanks!

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Re: How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 08:34 +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
 Hey all
 
 I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
 the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
 to stop this from happening?
 

In LaTeX preamble (Document  Settings  LaTeX Preamble)
type \date{}

Regards
was

Re: How to remove date from the title in a LyX article

[Brett Randall]

Thanks! Worked a treat.

Brett.

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 On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 08:34 +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
 Hey all
 
 I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to
 display the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is
 there any way to stop this from happening?
 

In LaTeX preamble (Document  Settings  LaTeX Preamble)
 type \date{}

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Re: LyX Forum?

[Nikos Alexandris]

Just my view upon this:

I find mailing lists (ML) very convenient and I don't follow forums in
general except of the ubuntuforums.org. But MLs have several
drawbacks.

One thing that is not that good in MLs are LONG threads as the current
one. It's hard to follow sometimes and people tend to post irrelevant
stuff on a ML-thread or change the subject of it so a new thread starts
when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
drawback.

Fora require more energy to maintain but provide means to organize
information better. Of course, the LyX-wiki is very good which fulfills
most of what the ML doesn't satisfy.

That said, I think a ML + Wiki are enough. Without the wiki, the forum
would be a must-have.

Kindest regards, Nikos

Re: Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I have the same problem. However, only with SOME eps files.
In my case EPS files generated by Matlab just don't show in LyX,
but those from some other sources do show in LyX (for example
those in the user guide).

My only workaround has been to convert the EPS into PDF manually
(in OS X just use preview). If you need to export as LaTeX/eps, you can
just export as pdflatex, but compile with plain latex (if you export
as plain latex, LyX will try to convert the PDF files back to
EPS and overwrite the original files).

Re: LyX Forum?

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 30 March 2009 08:38:21 pm Nikos Alexandris wrote:

 when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
 ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
 drawback.

When I ask a question and then either am giving an answer or figure one out, I 
reply one more time to the thread and append SOLVED to the subject. That's 
a pretty commonly known technique recommended by ESR:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#followup

But all too few people choose to use it.

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Re: Search for Environment?

[Florian Rubach]

Steve Litt schrieb:

Hi all,

For years, Microsoft Word has had something that would be cool in LyX --- 
search for environment (or charstyle). I just found myself wondering if I had 
redundant copies of a story in my book, and so wanted to search for all text 
in Story environment, but there's no way to do it as far as I can tell.


SteveT


Hi Steve,
I think what you are looking for is implemented by the LyX 
2.0-Advanced-Search-Feature by Tommaso Cucinotta, as you can see here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MR_O1ctIAY

Is that it?

Regards,
Florian

Re: LyX Forum?

[Nikos Alexandris]

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:05 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Monday 30 March 2009 08:38:21 pm Nikos Alexandris wrote:
 
  when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
  ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
  drawback.
 
 When I ask a question and then either am giving an answer or figure one out, 
 I 
 reply one more time to the thread and append SOLVED to the subject. That's 
 a pretty commonly known technique recommended by ESR:
 
 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#followup
 
 But all too few people choose to use it.
 
 SteveT

Thanks Steve. I didn't know it works like that.

Don't you really start a new thread by changing the subject? I this is
the case, the information is still not organised/concentrated in one
place as it should be.

Cheers, Nikos

Re: LyX Forum?

[Manveru]

2009/3/30 Piero Faustini 

> >
>
> Hello once again.
>
> I can't reply to all.
> [...]

Of course about children, I was pointing out that forums are VERY simple.
> And
> it's exactly what I was trying to explain: the list concept is VERY old
> (whatever this means). Yes, also e-mail is old, and almost every single
> human
> being uses it, but my 19-years old sister last week told me she doesn't
> care
> about e-mail since he has her favourite Web 2.0 communication basis: I find
> it
> terrible, but it is 2009 REALITY. (and BTW, speaking of
> intelligence/culture, I
> think my sister stays in the upper 5% of her age).
>

Somehow you replied yourself. I do not think in that case LyX is for your
sister, I think much more relevant tool for her is docs.google.com. It is
web based text editor able to produce HTML and PDF - quite nice.


> [...]At least, the smallest pieces of great wisdom are to
> be found in the mechanized habits of the million. To live in the mountain
> is
> not to live. The community should spread to as many people as possible,
> choosing the most popular, the easiest. Being aware of the gap with the
> younger
> and trying to understand him is the only way not to grow too old too soon.
> Saying that  neostrada children destroyed everything worth of the internet
> is
> perhaps being completely blind in front of the great revolutions the
> internet
> (or whatever its name will be) shows us, and is building thanks to THAT
> uncultured young boy. This revolution just started, and I can't say where
> it
> will go.
>

I do not know hot to express it precisely. I expect from others as I expect
from myself to be prepared to take the knowledge from others - teachers,
coworkers... Today I often feel that large number of people treats knowledge
as a necessary evil. You mentioned evolution of Web 2.0 culture and its
habits, but have you ever think about difference between level of its users
and its creators? Guys coding CMS, Wiki and other stuff still uses
maillists, even if there old. New tools are use to documenting (LyX has
Wiki) and buqtracking (LyX has bugzilla). Lists are easy to use for all
those geeks, becase they're faster, easier to read. I am sure that busy
proffesionals do not have time to read forums and they feel anger when they
have to spent time clicking all these slowly loading pages full of
advertisements.

> I miss that times before commercialized Internet.
>
> [...]
> I can't use mailing lists but I believe they are really smart. The last
> time I
> installed Thunderbird I think it was beta, but I was already sure I would
> have
> never and never save a single mail in my PCs: the future was the WEB and
> now
> it's the present, and I stay with the present, if I can't with the future.
> Full
> stop.


I have to write that: I think you choose your way of computing. You are very
good client for google products. But you are trying to convince couple
hunderd people that your way is the best. This does not work this way. You
can argue with us even with arguments as given below or all mentioned
ealier. Probably most of us will agree with you in many places. But this
will not lanuch a revolution causing LyX users moving to forums.


>
> I only can tell you that you should keep your eyes open: faster, wider
> communication is THE need of the present. I just gave voice to the majority
> of
> non-computer-geeks, non-technical/scientific academics which deserve a
> little
> more interest from the LaTeX community and most of all from LyX.
> [...]


I have eyes open widely. But I don't think I am looking in the same
direction as you. I am working on technologies which gives people like you
access to the internet wirelessly and I know what are future possibilities.
What is not going to change is the importance of e-mail in the business
world. Only amount of data sent through is changing. Btw. I remember the
time where sending 1MB attachment was an attack to recipient inbox. Today 10
MB is standard. And 7GB inbox too.


>
>
> Thanks to Manveru and to all for the replies.
> Regards.
>
> Piero
>
>
Thanks to you too. I think we can stop arguing at this point as nobody else
can convince anyone to change their mind. And I think LyX community will
left in current state for nexct couple of years... maybe some add
instruction to GMANE on the pages LyX mailists pages :-)

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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Kornel Benko]

Am 2009-03-30 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
> Matthias Schmidt schrieb:
> 
> > plaese  where  can  I  find  the  standard  installer  für Lyx 1.6.2-1
> > (LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe, 20  MB). 
> 
> Have a look at ftp.lyx.org alternatively you can use the alternative Windows 
> installer. Both 
> installers set up LyX as best as possible.
> 
> regards Uwe
> 
And once again ...
there is no such installer as "standard". Both are standard,  they only had to 
have different
names.
As pointed out elsewhere, there is Joost's installer and Uwe's installer.

Kornel


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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Matthias Schmidt wrote:
> plaese  where  can  I  find  the  standard  installer  für Lyx 1.6.2-1
> (LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe, 20  MB).  I tried it with the link in the
> lyx-wiki  on http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Windows. There I get an error
> message "550 LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer.exe: No such file or directory".

There are (again) some problems with the server. The installer is ready and 
should appear on the server sometimes today.

Jürgen

Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-03-27, Tao Cumplido wrote:

> When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: 'Some
> characters of your document are probably not representable in the
> chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.'

Actually, LyX's Unicode symbols translation is more comprehensive than
LaTeX's "plain" utf8, I don't know if there is any case left where
changing to utf8 would help. There are cases (e.g. polytonic Greek) when
changing to utf8x [UTF8 (ucs enhanced)] helps, though.

However, the capital sharp s is a recent addition to Unicode and not
supported by utf8 or utf8x. You can use it with the libertine font,
though (as pointed out by others).

> I searched the User's Guide and found in chapter 'B.7. Language' this
> part: 'All characters that cannot be encoded using the specified
> encoding will be exported as LATEX-commands (this can fail if a
> LATEX-command is not known for a particular character).'

> This passage has the following footnote attached: 'The known commands
> are defined in a text file. You can add commands for unknown symbols to
> that file yourself, see the Customization manual for details.'

> But I couldn't find anything on this topic in the Customization manual.

The file in question is called "unicodesymbols" and lives in the LYXDIR.
You can copy /usr/share/lyx/unicodesymbols to ~/.lyx/unicodesymbols
and modify it (on Windows the paths will differ).


With XeTeX, it only depends on the chosen font if the character is
available or not.

Günter

Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Anthony D Kendall]

I recently installed 1.6.2 in Windows XP and Mac OSX.4, and have been 
receiving the same error when inserting EPS format graphics:

"Error converting to loadable format"

As far as I can tell this only applies to EPS, and PNG/JPG work fine.

On both systems, for 1.5.6, the EPS preview worked well.

There is no problem viewing the document in DVI or PDF, and the output 
looks great.


I looked into this somewhat, and think it's likely an issue with the 
versions of ghostscript and imagemagick included in the 
alt-installer--or their lack thereof.  Neither program was installed 
with the alt-installer, and simply copying the two directories from an 
older install did not fix the problem.  I do have both programs 
installed elsewhere on my system, though this wasn't a problem with the 
1.5.6. installer. 

This happens with the small installer.  I tried running the complete 
installer, even uninstalling my existing MikTeX 2.7 installation.  But 
that installer fails after installing MikTeX for some reason.


Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a ready workaround?  This is 
really mostly an inconvenience, but having the figures shown in the lyx 
document makes writing about them much easier.


Anthony Kendall

Re: LyX Forum?

[Michael Wojcik]

Piero Faustini wrote:
> 
> How many people use mailing lists? How many use forums? Say 1 lister every 20 
> forumers? Say 1 to 10 (and I'm fair)?

Fairness doesn't enter into it. Either you have data, or you don't.

> It's not me who says lists are
> difficoult, it's people. I never used lists before knowing LyX.

Perhaps it is possible that generalizing from your own experience is
not a productive research methodology in this case.

In addition to lyx-users, I subscribe to 9 email lists that I read
regularly. In the past, I've subscribed to at least as many others,
which I dropped only because their subject areas were no longer as
relevant to me.

I don't participate regularly in any web forums.

Email lists have been in widespread use for decades. They've endured
in the face of competitive technologies (Usenet, various web-based
systems, instant messaging) because for some purposes, a significant
number of users find them superior.

Everyone on lyx-users could use a web forum. That we choose not to
disproves your claim. In this instance, people have chosen to use the
list.

> It's 10 years since last time I disabled cookies.

Hurrah for you. Other people may make different choices.

> Children use forums.

Children who use LyX are welcome to discuss it in forums.

So, for that matter, are adults. Some of us don't want to.

> Lists are difficoult to use comparing to their advantages, so they are 
> for PRO users, almost always have been, and in future I guess they will be 
> ONLY 
> for pro.

Utter nonsense. Look at the history of BITNET lists, for example.

There is a regrettable tendency, in discussing computer culture, to
offer spurious claims about the history of computing as support for
arguing that technology X is superior, "intuitive", "usable", etc.
This happens frequently in academia (I've seen a number of scholars
make these arguments just in the past year), and even more often in
casual argumentation.

These arguments are unpersuasive for at least two reasons. First,
their historical claims, as I noted, are generally not supported by
any data; and they're often contradicted by the data that is
available. Second, they endorse the most naive sort of teleological
narrative. Even if more users chose technology X in the past, that
hardly implies that technology X is better, or that moving to
technology X would attract more users, or that any other benefit
automatically attaches to technology X.

Indeed, this is the entire proposition of LyX: that it's better, at
least for some purposes, than Microsoft Word. More people use Word.
Children use Word. That doesn't prove Word is better; it doesn't prove
Word is easier; it doesn't prove that more people would switch to LyX
if it were more like Word.

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Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Jürgen Spitzmüller schrieb:

There are (again) some problems with the server. The installer is ready and 
should appear on the server sometimes today.


I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only refer to the ftp site and not to 
special filenames. This prevents further problems when an installer is not available or a bug was 
fixed in the installer so that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?


regards Uwe

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only 
refer to the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents 
further problems when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed 
in the installer so that there is a new filename for it. OK with you 
Jürgen?


I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a 
list of files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.

regards Uwe

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Christian Ridderström]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:





 I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only refer to
 the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents further problems
 when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed in the installer so
 that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?

I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a list of 
files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.


Could we use some clever way to automatically let the web/wiki figure out 
which package is the latest?


/Christian



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Re: LyX Forum?

[Paul A. Rubin]

FWIW ...

I subscribe to both lists and forums, although I prefer to view lists as 
newsgroups where that's an option (such as this list, which I access via 
the GMANE group).  A forum that supplies RSS feeds is not too different 
in many respects from a newsgroup.


One advantage that I think a forum might have over the current 
list/group structure is that on most forums (at least the forums I 
visit), I can scroll down a thread and see all the message text in one 
gulp.  With a long thread, such as this one, I need to access each 
message separately to read it, and I'm much too lazy for that.


That said, I have no problem with the current setup.

/Paul

new user

[Paul Sutton]

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Hi

I am fairly new to lyx and latex,  so far its pretty good I have figured
out how to do citations and chemical formulas etc,  which is much easier
than using a word processor for such tasks.

I have been trying to work on a nicely formatted document to list all
the command (key bindings) for the joe command reference on lyx under
ubuntu 8.10. lyx 1.5.6.

This is for the linux documentation project, so I have done a similar
document just need to update it, which is what I am using lyx for   

I put all the data in tables,  but I think this was a bad idea, as the
newlines etc are causing problems,  what I want to go back to is a
document without all the table tags in,  so it just lists what was in
the table in the lyx document

things like

^B  Left^F  Right
^P  Up  ^N  Down


right now this is in a table, but I want it not in a table, I can't seem
to find out how to highlight the table and just remove it,

the code for the above is

\begin{tabular}{|c|c|c|c|}
\hline
\textasciicircum{}B & Left & \textasciicircum{}F & Right\tabularnewline
\hline
\hline
\textasciicircum{}P & Up & \textasciicircum{}N & Down\tabularnewline
\hline
\end{tabular}\begin{tabular}{|c|c|}
\hline
\textasciicircum{}Z & Previous Word\tabularnewline
\hline
\hline
\textasciicircum{}X & Next Word\tabularnewline
\hline
\end{tabular}

so there has to be a way to undo the table bit.  Even if its a perl or
bash script that I can run on the file and have it remove the
appropriate code.

thanks for any help.

Paul Sutton

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Re: Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Paul A. Rubin]

Anthony D Kendall wrote:
I recently installed 1.6.2 in Windows XP and Mac OSX.4, and have been 
receiving the same error when inserting EPS format graphics:

"Error converting to loadable format"

As far as I can tell this only applies to EPS, and PNG/JPG work fine.

On both systems, for 1.5.6, the EPS preview worked well.

There is no problem viewing the document in DVI or PDF, and the output 
looks great.


I looked into this somewhat, and think it's likely an issue with the 
versions of ghostscript and imagemagick included in the 
alt-installer--or their lack thereof.  Neither program was installed 
with the alt-installer, and simply copying the two directories from an 
older install did not fix the problem.  I do have both programs 
installed elsewhere on my system, though this wasn't a problem with the 
1.5.6. installer.
This happens with the small installer.  I tried running the complete 
installer, even uninstalling my existing MikTeX 2.7 installation.  But 
that installer fails after installing MikTeX for some reason.


Has anyone else had this problem?  Is there a ready workaround?  This is 
really mostly an inconvenience, but having the figures shown in the lyx 
document makes writing about them much easier.




Do you have the bin directories for GS and IM on your system command 
path in XP (and whatever the analog is called in OS/X)?  If not, you 
might try adding them to the command path and then 
reconfiguring/restarting LyX.


/Paul

Re: Where is the standard installerfür Lyx 1.6.2-1?

[Joost Verburg]

Christian Ridderström wrote:
 I changed the download section of www.lyx.org so that we now only 
refer to
 the ftp site and not to special filenames. This prevents further 
problems
 when an installer is not available or a bug was fixed in the 
installer so

 that there is a new filename for it. OK with you Jürgen?

I wouldn't do that.. some people might be scared off by presenting a 
list of files with rather cryptic names and not knowing which one to 
choose.


They must just have a button or link saying: Lyx for windows.


Could we use some clever way to automatically let the web/wiki figure 
out which package is the latest?


We never had this problem before, because the page is updated after the 
files are uploaded to the FTP. But somehow the file did not appear on 
the FTP server for anonymous users and Jürgen probably didn't realize 
that when he updated the page.


I don't think the change is a good idea. We agreed before that there 
should be a link to the standard installer for users who don't know 
about the differences between the installers. Experienced LyX users can 
click the FTP link and choose which package they prefer.


Joost

Search for Environment?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

For years, Microsoft Word has had something that would be cool in LyX --- 
search for environment (or charstyle). I just found myself wondering if I had 
redundant copies of a story in my book, and so wanted to search for all text 
in Story environment, but there's no way to do it as far as I can tell.

SteveT

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How to remove date from the "title" in a LyX article

[Brett Randall]

Hey all

I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
to stop this from happening?

Thanks!

Brett


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Re: How to remove date from the "title" in a LyX article

[Murat Yildizoglu]

Hi Brett,

There is probably a more elegant way of doing this but putting just an
empty space in the date field should do what you want. Latex only
fills the date field if it is totally empty

Murat

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> to stop this from happening?
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Re: How to remove date from the "title" in a LyX article

[Waluyo Adi Siswanto]

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 08:34 +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
> Hey all
> 
> I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to display
> the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is there any way
> to stop this from happening?
> 

In LaTeX preamble (Document > Settings > LaTeX Preamble)
type \date{}

Regards
was

Re: How to remove date from the "title" in a LyX article

[Brett Randall]

Thanks! Worked a treat.

Brett.

> "Waluyo" == Waluyo Adi Siswanto  writes:

> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 08:34 +1100, Brett Randall wrote:
>> Hey all
>> 
>> I'm using LyX to write an article for uni but don't want it to
>> display the date I exported it to a PDF as part of the title. Is
>> there any way to stop this from happening?
>> 

In LaTeX preamble (Document > Settings > LaTeX Preamble)
> type \date{}

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Re: LyX Forum?

[Nikos Alexandris]

Just my view upon this:

I find mailing lists (ML) very convenient and I don't follow forums in
general except of the "ubuntuforums.org". But MLs have several
drawbacks.

One thing that is not that good in MLs are LONG threads as the current
one. It's hard to follow sometimes and people tend to post irrelevant
stuff on a ML-thread or change the subject of it so a new thread starts
when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
drawback.

Fora require more energy to maintain but provide means to organize
information better. Of course, the LyX-wiki is very good which fulfills
most of what the ML doesn't satisfy.

That said, I think a ML + Wiki are enough. Without the wiki, the forum
would be a "must-have".

Kindest regards, Nikos

Re: Error converting to loadable format for EPS

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I have the same problem. However, only with SOME eps files.
In my case EPS files generated by Matlab just don't show in LyX,
but those from some other sources do show in LyX (for example
those in the user guide).

My only workaround has been to convert the EPS into PDF manually
(in OS X just use preview). If you need to export as LaTeX/eps, you can
just export as pdflatex, but compile with plain latex (if you export
as plain latex, LyX will try to convert the PDF files back to
EPS and overwrite the original files).

Re: LyX Forum?

[Steve Litt]

On Monday 30 March 2009 08:38:21 pm Nikos Alexandris wrote:

> when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
> ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
> drawback.

When I ask a question and then either am giving an answer or figure one out, I 
reply one more time to the thread and append  to the subject. That's 
a pretty commonly known technique recommended by ESR:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#followup

But all too few people choose to use it.

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Re: Search for Environment?

[Florian Rubach]

Steve Litt schrieb:

Hi all,

For years, Microsoft Word has had something that would be cool in LyX --- 
search for environment (or charstyle). I just found myself wondering if I had 
redundant copies of a story in my book, and so wanted to search for all text 
in Story environment, but there's no way to do it as far as I can tell.


SteveT


Hi Steve,
I think what you are looking for is implemented by the LyX 
2.0-Advanced-Search-Feature by Tommaso Cucinotta, as you can see here: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MR_O1ctIAY

Is that it?

Regards,
Florian

Re: LyX Forum?

[Nikos Alexandris]

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:05 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Monday 30 March 2009 08:38:21 pm Nikos Alexandris wrote:
> 
> > when it's not required. In addition, it's not possible to mark
> > ML-threads as SOLVED. The latter is, in my humble opinion, a big
> > drawback.
> 
> When I ask a question and then either am giving an answer or figure one out, 
> I 
> reply one more time to the thread and append  to the subject. That's 
> a pretty commonly known technique recommended by ESR:
> 
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#followup
> 
> But all too few people choose to use it.
> 
> SteveT

Thanks Steve. I didn't know it works like that.

Don't you really start a new thread by changing the subject? I this is
the case, the information is still not organised/concentrated in one
place as it should be.

Cheers, Nikos