Re: LyX - LaTeX2e

1999-06-10 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Alessandro What's wrong? If the latest teTeX distribution doesn't
Alessandro give you LATEX2e, where to get it?  How to make LyX see
Alessandro that I really got latex??

Jean-Marc Are you using redhat linux 6.0, by chance? It has known
Jean-Marc problems at intall time. Another think to try is the
Jean-Marc texconfig program, that you will need to run in order to
Jean-Marc make sure teTeX is correctly configured.

If you have Redhat 6.0, you should just go and do the tetex upgrade
*again* by hand, using:

rpm --force -Uvh tetex-*

This will re-install the tetex package and it will actually work this
time.

---Kayvan
-- 
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Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: LyX - LaTeX2e

1999-06-10 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Alessandro What's wrong? If the latest teTeX distribution doesn't
Alessandro give you LATEX2e, where to get it?  How to make LyX see
Alessandro that I really got latex??

Jean-Marc Are you using redhat linux 6.0, by chance? It has known
Jean-Marc problems at intall time. Another think to try is the
Jean-Marc texconfig program, that you will need to run in order to
Jean-Marc make sure teTeX is correctly configured.

If you have Redhat 6.0, you should just go and do the tetex upgrade
*again* by hand, using:

rpm --force -Uvh tetex-*

This will re-install the tetex package and it will actually work this
time.

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: LyX <-> LaTeX2e

1999-06-10 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alessandro> What's wrong? If the latest teTeX distribution doesn't
Alessandro> give you LATEX2e, where to get it?  How to make LyX see
Alessandro> that I really got latex??

Jean-Marc> Are you using redhat linux 6.0, by chance? It has known
Jean-Marc> problems at intall time. Another think to try is the
Jean-Marc> texconfig program, that you will need to run in order to
Jean-Marc> make sure teTeX is correctly configured.

If you have Redhat 6.0, you should just go and do the tetex upgrade
*again* by hand, using:

rpm --force -Uvh tetex-*

This will re-install the tetex package and it will actually work this
time.

        ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm [was: All is well]

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Hi Ben,

I hope you don't mind my CC'ing this to the lyx-users list.

 Alternatively, you can just grab the lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm from my
 ftp server. This has been updated. If you do that, a simple
 
 rpm --rebuild lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm
 
 should do the trick.

Ben I took this option since I figured it would be a good idea to
Ben test the file that other would be using.

Ben Worked like a dream.  Well done and thanks for all your help.

Great!

What this means is that, a RedHat 5.2 and RPM 2.5 user can take the
lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm and do ``rpm --rebuild'' and generate his own RPM
(tailored to his machine) to install.

Even though the RPM on my site was generated using RedHat 6.0 and RPM
3.0.1, the src.rpm format (and the spec file) is compatible enough for
this to work.

Cool!
---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Redhat 5.2 RPM of lyx-1.0.3

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan


Kayvan

I hope you don't mind my CC'ing this to the lyx-users list.

No worries.

I'm putting the RPM on (still transfering at the moment)
http://www.mecheng.adelaide.edu.au/anvc/bscazz/lyx-1.0.3-3.i386.rpm

If people would prefer the source code they can download it directly.

You can forward this onto the users too if you like.

Thanks once again for your support.

Ben


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LyX: Unknown textclass `article'

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

This is a known problem with RPM upgardes of tetex.

Just go back and do:

 rpm --force -Uvh tetex-*

Then do:

 rpm -V `rpm -qa | grep tetex`

This should not show any missing files, and only the TeX ls-R file
should be different.

Once you've done this, you should have a working TeX that sucks at
hyphenation.

If you want to get the tetex-1.0 release (which is the latest and
fixes this hyphenation bug, among others) then go to my ftp site:

  ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/tetex

Enjoy!

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm [was: All is well]

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Hi Ben,

I hope you don't mind my CC'ing this to the lyx-users list.

 Alternatively, you can just grab the lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm from my
 ftp server. This has been updated. If you do that, a simple
 
 rpm --rebuild lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm
 
 should do the trick.

Ben I took this option since I figured it would be a good idea to
Ben test the file that other would be using.

Ben Worked like a dream.  Well done and thanks for all your help.

Great!

What this means is that, a RedHat 5.2 and RPM 2.5 user can take the
lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm and do ``rpm --rebuild'' and generate his own RPM
(tailored to his machine) to install.

Even though the RPM on my site was generated using RedHat 6.0 and RPM
3.0.1, the src.rpm format (and the spec file) is compatible enough for
this to work.

Cool!
---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Redhat 5.2 RPM of lyx-1.0.3

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan


Kayvan

I hope you don't mind my CC'ing this to the lyx-users list.

No worries.

I'm putting the RPM on (still transfering at the moment)
http://www.mecheng.adelaide.edu.au/anvc/bscazz/lyx-1.0.3-3.i386.rpm

If people would prefer the source code they can download it directly.

You can forward this onto the users too if you like.

Thanks once again for your support.

Ben


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LyX: Unknown textclass `article'

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

This is a known problem with RPM upgardes of tetex.

Just go back and do:

 rpm --force -Uvh tetex-*

Then do:

 rpm -V `rpm -qa | grep tetex`

This should not show any missing files, and only the TeX ls-R file
should be different.

Once you've done this, you should have a working TeX that sucks at
hyphenation.

If you want to get the tetex-1.0 release (which is the latest and
fixes this hyphenation bug, among others) then go to my ftp site:

  ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/tetex

Enjoy!

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm [was: All is well]

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Hi Ben,

I hope you don't mind my CC'ing this to the lyx-users list.

>> Alternatively, you can just grab the lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm from my
>> ftp server. This has been updated. If you do that, a simple
>> 
>> rpm --rebuild lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm
>> 
>> should do the trick.

Ben> I took this option since I figured it would be a good idea to
Ben> test the file that other would be using.

Ben> Worked like a dream.  Well done and thanks for all your help.

Great!

What this means is that, a RedHat 5.2 and RPM 2.5 user can take the
lyx-1.0.3-3.src.rpm and do ``rpm --rebuild'' and generate his own RPM
(tailored to his machine) to install.

Even though the RPM on my site was generated using RedHat 6.0 and RPM
3.0.1, the src.rpm format (and the spec file) is compatible enough for
this to work.

Cool!
        ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Redhat 5.2 RPM of lyx-1.0.3

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan


Kayvan

>I hope you don't mind my CC'ing this to the lyx-users list.

No worries.

I'm putting the RPM on (still transfering at the moment)
http://www.mecheng.adelaide.edu.au/anvc/bscazz/lyx-1.0.3-3.i386.rpm

If people would prefer the source code they can download it directly.

You can forward this onto the users too if you like.

Thanks once again for your support.

Ben


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LyX: Unknown textclass `article'

1999-06-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

This is a known problem with RPM upgardes of tetex.

Just go back and do:

 rpm --force -Uvh tetex-*

Then do:

 rpm -V `rpm -qa | grep tetex`

This should not show any missing files, and only the TeX ls-R file
should be different.

Once you've done this, you should have a working TeX that sucks at
hyphenation.

If you want to get the tetex-1.0 release (which is the latest and
fixes this hyphenation bug, among others) then go to my ftp site:

  ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/tetex

Enjoy!

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan  | Proud husband of  | Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.   | Laura Isabella Sylvan | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://sylvan.com/~kayvan |   | Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



tetex-1.0 RPMS

1999-06-07 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Hi folks,

I've regenerated the tetex-1.0 RPMs for Redhat 6.0.

For now, you can get them from ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/tetex

Or you could just wait a couple of weeks for Redhat to upgrade their
tetex package.
 ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan | Proud husband of  |Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.  | Laura Isabella Sylvan |Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.sylvan.com/~kayvan|   |Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



tetex-1.0 RPMS

1999-06-07 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Hi folks,

I've regenerated the tetex-1.0 RPMs for Redhat 6.0.

For now, you can get them from ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/tetex

Or you could just wait a couple of weeks for Redhat to upgrade their
tetex package.
 ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan | Proud husband of  |Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.  | Laura Isabella Sylvan |Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.sylvan.com/~kayvan|   |Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



tetex-1.0 RPMS

1999-06-07 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Hi folks,

I've regenerated the tetex-1.0 RPMs for Redhat 6.0.

For now, you can get them from ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/tetex

Or you could just wait a couple of weeks for Redhat to upgrade their
tetex package.
 ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan | Proud husband of  |Father to my kids:
Sylvan Associates, Inc.  | Laura Isabella Sylvan |Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.sylvan.com/~kayvan|   |Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Release of LyX 1.0.3

1999-06-03 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Reuben" == Reuben Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Reuben As things are getting quiet on the release front (fingers
Reuben crossed for no more show-stoppers!) now would seem to be a
Reuben good time to do this job.  Perhaps one of the people who's
Reuben already done an RPM could do it?

I have Redhat 6.0 RPM's of lyx-1.03 (and lyx-1.04pre1) on my ftp
server at ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx

If you have earlier Redhat releases installed, you can just get the
lyx-1.03-1.src.rpm file and do ``rpm --rebuild lyx-1.03-1.src.rpm''
and that should build an RPM linked against your system's libraries.

These RPMs also install all the included LaTeX files in a place that
tetex expects to see them and runs texhash on install.

  ---Kayvan

-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Release of LyX 1.0.3

1999-06-03 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Reuben" == Reuben Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Reuben As things are getting quiet on the release front (fingers
Reuben crossed for no more show-stoppers!) now would seem to be a
Reuben good time to do this job.  Perhaps one of the people who's
Reuben already done an RPM could do it?

I have Redhat 6.0 RPM's of lyx-1.03 (and lyx-1.04pre1) on my ftp
server at ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx

If you have earlier Redhat releases installed, you can just get the
lyx-1.03-1.src.rpm file and do ``rpm --rebuild lyx-1.03-1.src.rpm''
and that should build an RPM linked against your system's libraries.

These RPMs also install all the included LaTeX files in a place that
tetex expects to see them and runs texhash on install.

  ---Kayvan

-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Release of LyX 1.0.3

1999-06-03 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "Reuben" == Reuben Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Reuben> As things are getting quiet on the release front (fingers
Reuben> crossed for no more show-stoppers!) now would seem to be a
Reuben> good time to do this job.  Perhaps one of the people who's
Reuben> already done an RPM could do it?

I have Redhat 6.0 RPM's of lyx-1.03 (and lyx-1.04pre1) on my ftp
server at ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx

If you have earlier Redhat releases installed, you can just get the
lyx-1.03-1.src.rpm file and do ``rpm --rebuild lyx-1.03-1.src.rpm''
and that should build an RPM linked against your system's libraries.

These RPMs also install all the included LaTeX files in a place that
tetex expects to see them and runs texhash on install.

      ---Kayvan

-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Can anyone on this list help this person?

1999-06-02 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan


In general the upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0 was the smoothest I've experienced since
I started with RedHat 3.0.3 (Picasso). However, the TeX upgrade sucks. First,
none of the files got installed, and I had to do rpm -Uhv --force for most of
the tetex packages. And now it seems that hyphenation is totally screwed. I'm
getting words being hyphenated like this: W-hole, so-cial, C-PS. I need to go
into production very soon to produce 460 LaTeX documents but if the hyphenation
is going to behave so aberrantly I'm going to have to go back to 5.2. Is there
a way around this problem?
__
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ºÍʸ ¤ÈÃÒÆàÈþ¤ÎÉã(EUC)  -=-=-  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.consortium-chicago.org/people/sl/sl.html
ICQ #21172047  AIM: psycho7070
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were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence.
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Can anyone on this list help this person?

1999-06-02 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan


In general the upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0 was the smoothest I've experienced since
I started with RedHat 3.0.3 (Picasso). However, the TeX upgrade sucks. First,
none of the files got installed, and I had to do rpm -Uhv --force for most of
the tetex packages. And now it seems that hyphenation is totally screwed. I'm
getting words being hyphenated like this: W-hole, so-cial, C-PS. I need to go
into production very soon to produce 460 LaTeX documents but if the hyphenation
is going to behave so aberrantly I'm going to have to go back to 5.2. Is there
a way around this problem?
__
Stuart Luppescu -=-=-  University of Chicago
ºÍʸ ¤ÈÃÒÆàÈþ¤ÎÉã(EUC)  -=-=-  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.consortium-chicago.org/people/sl/sl.html
ICQ #21172047  AIM: psycho7070
The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it
were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence.
-- H. L. Mencken
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Can anyone on this list help this person?

1999-06-02 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan


In general the upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0 was the smoothest I've experienced since
I started with RedHat 3.0.3 (Picasso). However, the TeX upgrade sucks. First,
none of the files got installed, and I had to do rpm -Uhv --force for most of
the tetex packages. And now it seems that hyphenation is totally screwed. I'm
getting words being hyphenated like this: W-hole, so-cial, C-PS. I need to go
into production very soon to produce 460 LaTeX documents but if the hyphenation
is going to behave so aberrantly I'm going to have to go back to 5.2. Is there
a way around this problem?
__
Stuart Luppescu -=-=-  University of Chicago
ºÍʸ ¤ÈÃÒÆàÈþ¤ÎÉã(EUC)  -=-=-  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.consortium-chicago.org/people/sl/sl.html
ICQ #21172047  AIM: psycho7070
The penalty for laughing in a courtroom is six months in jail; if it
were not for this penalty, the jury would never hear the evidence.
-- H. L. Mencken
>> Sent on 02-Jun-99 at 15:00:53 with xfmail


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Re: VNC X Server and LyX on a WinNT

1999-06-01 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jean-Marc This one is what happens when xforms tries to display a
Jean-Marc message on a glibc2.1 based system. Get the updated xforms
Jean-Marc distribution for glibc2.1 (the one which is strangely named
Jean-Marc glibc2).

This is not an xforms problem, per se. You see, my lyx works just fine
on my Linux box. Where I get that core dump is when I am trying to
display lyx to a VNC server (or a MicroImages X server).

Also, I recompiled my xforms from the SRPM, so there's no library
incompatiblity. If you still think I should upgrade my xforms, I will,
but that is not the problem.

---Kayvan
-- 
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Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: VNC X Server and LyX on a WinNT

1999-06-01 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kayvan Also, I recompiled my xforms from the SRPM, so there's no
Kayvan library incompatiblity. If you still think I should upgrade my
Kayvan xforms, I will, but that is not the problem.

Jean-Marc No, you did not recompile your xforms because xforms is
Jean-Marc *not* available in source form %-]

Oh. :*}

Okay, then... I just upgrade my lyx and now this is what happens when
trying to display to the VNC X server.

[kayvan@satyr ~]$ lyx
In flvisual.c[217]: Can't find an appropriate visual

This same message greets me when I say "lyx -Mono"

Jean-Marc Rebuilding the SRPM might compile the demo programs, but
Jean-Marc certainly not much more... I advise you to get the latest
Jean-Marc xforms. It would be nice if somebody could package it in
Jean-Marc rpm so that we can offer it on lyx ftp site.

I just packaged it in RPM. You can grab the updated RPM and SRPM files
from my ftp server:

ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx

    ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: VNC X Server and LyX on a WinNT

1999-06-01 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jean-Marc This one is what happens when xforms tries to display a
Jean-Marc message on a glibc2.1 based system. Get the updated xforms
Jean-Marc distribution for glibc2.1 (the one which is strangely named
Jean-Marc glibc2).

This is not an xforms problem, per se. You see, my lyx works just fine
on my Linux box. Where I get that core dump is when I am trying to
display lyx to a VNC server (or a MicroImages X server).

Also, I recompiled my xforms from the SRPM, so there's no library
incompatiblity. If you still think I should upgrade my xforms, I will,
but that is not the problem.

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: VNC X Server and LyX on a WinNT

1999-06-01 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kayvan Also, I recompiled my xforms from the SRPM, so there's no
Kayvan library incompatiblity. If you still think I should upgrade my
Kayvan xforms, I will, but that is not the problem.

Jean-Marc No, you did not recompile your xforms because xforms is
Jean-Marc *not* available in source form %-]

Oh. :*}

Okay, then... I just upgrade my lyx and now this is what happens when
trying to display to the VNC X server.

[kayvan@satyr ~]$ lyx
In flvisual.c[217]: Can't find an appropriate visual

This same message greets me when I say "lyx -Mono"

Jean-Marc Rebuilding the SRPM might compile the demo programs, but
Jean-Marc certainly not much more... I advise you to get the latest
Jean-Marc xforms. It would be nice if somebody could package it in
Jean-Marc rpm so that we can offer it on lyx ftp site.

I just packaged it in RPM. You can grab the updated RPM and SRPM files
from my ftp server:

ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx

    ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: VNC X Server and LyX on a WinNT

1999-06-01 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jean-Marc> This one is what happens when xforms tries to display a
Jean-Marc> message on a glibc2.1 based system. Get the updated xforms
Jean-Marc> distribution for glibc2.1 (the one which is strangely named
Jean-Marc> glibc2).

This is not an xforms problem, per se. You see, my lyx works just fine
on my Linux box. Where I get that core dump is when I am trying to
display lyx to a VNC server (or a MicroImages X server).

Also, I recompiled my xforms from the SRPM, so there's no library
incompatiblity. If you still think I should upgrade my xforms, I will,
but that is not the problem.

        ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: VNC X Server and LyX on a WinNT

1999-06-01 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kayvan> Also, I recompiled my xforms from the SRPM, so there's no
Kayvan> library incompatiblity. If you still think I should upgrade my
Kayvan> xforms, I will, but that is not the problem.

Jean-Marc> No, you did not recompile your xforms because xforms is
Jean-Marc> *not* available in source form %-]

Oh. :*}

Okay, then... I just upgrade my lyx and now this is what happens when
trying to display to the VNC X server.

[kayvan@satyr ~]$ lyx
In flvisual.c[217]: Can't find an appropriate visual

This same message greets me when I say "lyx -Mono"

Jean-Marc> Rebuilding the SRPM might compile the demo programs, but
Jean-Marc> certainly not much more... I advise you to get the latest
Jean-Marc> xforms. It would be nice if somebody could package it in
Jean-Marc> rpm so that we can offer it on lyx ftp site.

I just packaged it in RPM. You can grab the updated RPM and SRPM files
from my ftp server:

ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Installation problem

1999-05-31 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Stephane Can someone tell me what am I doing wrong, my setup is a Red
Stephane Hat 6.0 box with egcs-2.91.66 and glic 2.1.1 installed I
Stephane have download xform 0.88 for elf.

Jean-Marc I read earlier that the tetex packages from redhat 6.0 are
Jean-Marc broken. However, I do not remember what the fix for that is...

They're not actually broken (I run with them just fine).

The problem is with the installation of them. For some reason, you
have to hand-install the tetex packages after the installation tries
to auto-install them for you.

Do:

   rpm -Uvh --force tetex-*

Followed by the following (to make sure that the tetex packages are
actually installed and complete). If any are not, force-install them
again by hand and ``rpm -V'' to verify.

   rpm -V `rpm -qa | grep tetex`

This should fix the problem. After this, don't forget to edit the
/usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/config.ps for the local paper type.

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Installation problem

1999-05-31 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Stephane Can someone tell me what am I doing wrong, my setup is a Red
Stephane Hat 6.0 box with egcs-2.91.66 and glic 2.1.1 installed I
Stephane have download xform 0.88 for elf.

Jean-Marc I read earlier that the tetex packages from redhat 6.0 are
Jean-Marc broken. However, I do not remember what the fix for that is...

They're not actually broken (I run with them just fine).

The problem is with the installation of them. For some reason, you
have to hand-install the tetex packages after the installation tries
to auto-install them for you.

Do:

   rpm -Uvh --force tetex-*

Followed by the following (to make sure that the tetex packages are
actually installed and complete). If any are not, force-install them
again by hand and ``rpm -V'' to verify.

   rpm -V `rpm -qa | grep tetex`

This should fix the problem. After this, don't forget to edit the
/usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/config.ps for the local paper type.

---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Installation problem

1999-05-31 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "Jean-Marc" == Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stephane> Can someone tell me what am I doing wrong, my setup is a Red
Stephane> Hat 6.0 box with egcs-2.91.66 and glic 2.1.1 installed I
Stephane> have download xform 0.88 for elf.

Jean-Marc> I read earlier that the tetex packages from redhat 6.0 are
Jean-Marc> broken. However, I do not remember what the fix for that is...

They're not actually broken (I run with them just fine).

The problem is with the installation of them. For some reason, you
have to hand-install the tetex packages after the installation tries
to auto-install them for you.

Do:

   rpm -Uvh --force tetex-*

Followed by the following (to make sure that the tetex packages are
actually installed and complete). If any are not, force-install them
again by hand and ``rpm -V'' to verify.

   rpm -V `rpm -qa | grep tetex`

This should fix the problem. After this, don't forget to edit the
/usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/config.ps for the local paper type.

    ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Printing problem

1999-05-12 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Steven" == Steven Feinstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Steven Hi,

Steven I just started using LyX (v1.0.1) and I'm having a printing
Steven problem.  When i print from LyX, I do not get a top margin.
Steven The text starts printing from the very edge of the paper.  If
Steven I view postscript and print from the viewer (I use GV), the
Steven document prints with a top margin.

The problem is almost certainly your dvips config.ps file.

Check that, fix it, and your problem will be gone.

The ghostview program is called with a letter paper size, so it
"fixes" the problem for you and when you print, you get what you
expect.

    ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Printing problem

1999-05-12 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "Steven" == Steven Feinstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Steven Hi,

Steven I just started using LyX (v1.0.1) and I'm having a printing
Steven problem.  When i print from LyX, I do not get a top margin.
Steven The text starts printing from the very edge of the paper.  If
Steven I view postscript and print from the viewer (I use GV), the
Steven document prints with a top margin.

The problem is almost certainly your dvips config.ps file.

Check that, fix it, and your problem will be gone.

The ghostview program is called with a letter paper size, so it
"fixes" the problem for you and when you print, you get what you
expect.

    ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Printing problem

1999-05-12 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Feinstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Steven> Hi,

Steven> I just started using LyX (v1.0.1) and I'm having a printing
Steven> problem.  When i print from LyX, I do not get a top margin.
Steven> The text starts printing from the very edge of the paper.  If
Steven> I view postscript and print from the viewer (I use GV), the
Steven> document prints with a top margin.

The problem is almost certainly your dvips config.ps file.

Check that, fix it, and your problem will be gone.

The ghostview program is called with a letter paper size, so it
"fixes" the problem for you and when you print, you get what you
expect.

    ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



update DVI?

1999-05-11 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

This was fixed recently. Apply the following patch to your source and
recompile and all should be well.

Index: filetools.C
===
RCS file: /usr/local/lyxsrc/cvsroot/lyx-1_0_x/src/filetools.C,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- filetools.C 1999/02/11 14:46:11 1.2
+++ filetools.C 1999/05/07 13:09:00 1.3
@@ -517,7 +517,7 @@
delete[] with_drive;
 #endif
} else
-   TempBase = safer_getcwd();
+   TempBase = GetCWD(); //safer_getcwd();
 #ifdef __EMX__
if (AbsolutePath(TempRel))
return TempBase.substring(0,1) + TempRel;



update DVI?

1999-05-11 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

This was fixed recently. Apply the following patch to your source and
recompile and all should be well.

Index: filetools.C
===
RCS file: /usr/local/lyxsrc/cvsroot/lyx-1_0_x/src/filetools.C,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- filetools.C 1999/02/11 14:46:11 1.2
+++ filetools.C 1999/05/07 13:09:00 1.3
@@ -517,7 +517,7 @@
delete[] with_drive;
 #endif
} else
-   TempBase = safer_getcwd();
+   TempBase = GetCWD(); //safer_getcwd();
 #ifdef __EMX__
if (AbsolutePath(TempRel))
return TempBase.substring(0,1) + TempRel;



update DVI?

1999-05-11 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

This was fixed recently. Apply the following patch to your source and
recompile and all should be well.

Index: filetools.C
===
RCS file: /usr/local/lyxsrc/cvsroot/lyx-1_0_x/src/filetools.C,v
retrieving revision 1.2
retrieving revision 1.3
diff -u -r1.2 -r1.3
--- filetools.C 1999/02/11 14:46:11 1.2
+++ filetools.C 1999/05/07 13:09:00 1.3
@@ -517,7 +517,7 @@
delete[] with_drive;
 #endif
} else
-   TempBase = safer_getcwd();
+   TempBase = GetCWD(); //safer_getcwd();
 #ifdef __EMX__
if (AbsolutePath(TempRel))
return TempBase.substring(0,1) + TempRel;



Extra styles - How to include them

1999-05-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Try setting your TEXINPUTS to point to the directory where the
addition style files are (in addition to the standard places) and the
do Options-Reconfigure from within LyX.

LyX and LaTeX should then be able to use those additional style files.

  ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Extra styles - How to include them

1999-05-09 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

Try setting your TEXINPUTS to point to the directory where the
addition style files are (in addition to the standard places) and the
do Options->Reconfigure from within LyX.

LyX and LaTeX should then be able to use those additional style files.

  ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: LyX-1.0.2 teTeX-0.9 on a RedHat Linux 6.0 System

1999-05-06 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

One other idea:

Is your TEXINPUTS (or whatever is used when that is not set)
configured correctly for the system?

Can you actually use LaTeX outside of LyX?

That may be the problem, I don't know.

 ---Kayvan



Re: LyX-1.0.2 teTeX-0.9 on a RedHat Linux 6.0 System

1999-05-06 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

You might want to set your TEXINPUTS to something like this:

export TEXINPUTS=.:/home/your_home_dir/src/tex/sty:/usr/share/texmf/tex//

The "//" tells the suite of TeX and dvips programs to search all
subdirectories for the style files.

This still feels like a configuration problem. I don't know what else
to suggest.

 ---Kayvan



Re: LyX-1.0.2 teTeX-0.9 on a RedHat Linux 6.0 System

1999-05-06 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

One other idea:

Is your TEXINPUTS (or whatever is used when that is not set)
configured correctly for the system?

Can you actually use LaTeX outside of LyX?

That may be the problem, I don't know.

 ---Kayvan



Re: LyX-1.0.2 teTeX-0.9 on a RedHat Linux 6.0 System

1999-05-06 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

You might want to set your TEXINPUTS to something like this:

export TEXINPUTS=.:/home/your_home_dir/src/tex/sty:/usr/share/texmf/tex//

The "//" tells the suite of TeX and dvips programs to search all
subdirectories for the style files.

This still feels like a configuration problem. I don't know what else
to suggest.

 ---Kayvan



Re: LyX-1.0.2 teTeX-0.9 on a RedHat Linux 6.0 System

1999-05-06 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

One other idea:

Is your TEXINPUTS (or whatever is used when that is not set)
configured correctly for the system?

Can you actually use LaTeX outside of LyX?

That may be the problem, I don't know.

 ---Kayvan



Re: LyX-1.0.2 teTeX-0.9 on a RedHat Linux 6.0 System

1999-05-06 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

You might want to set your TEXINPUTS to something like this:

export TEXINPUTS=.:/home/your_home_dir/src/tex/sty:/usr/share/texmf/tex//

The "//" tells the suite of TeX and dvips programs to search all
subdirectories for the style files.

This still feels like a configuration problem. I don't know what else
to suggest.

 ---Kayvan



Re: Small glitch in View dvi?

1999-05-05 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "David" == David Aronstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David I have attached a simple file that did not update properly,
David when I:  wrote the first sentence, viewed the DVI file, 
David wrote the second sentence, and then viewed the DVI file again.

David However, the file is saved correctly, and when I load up the
David file again in a subsequent LyX session, it is viewed correctly in DVI.

David So, I'm not sure if this file will be of any use.
David Is there some other way we can help track this down?

Try running ``lyx -dbg'' with a bit pattern number.

The bits are:

INFO   = (1),// 1
INIT   = (1  1),   // 2
KEY= (1  2),   // 4
TOOLBAR= (1  3),   // 8
LEX_PARSER = (1  4),   // 16
LYXRC  = (1  5),   // 32
KBMAP  = (1  6),   // 64
LATEX  = (1  7),   // 128
MATHED = (1  8),   // 256
FONT   = (1  9),   // 512
TCLASS = (1  10),  // 1024
LYXVC  = (1  11),  // 2048
ROFF   = (1  12),  // 4096
LYXSERVER  = (1  13),  // 8192

Executing ``lyx -dbg 65535'' is probably too much.

 ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Small glitch in View dvi?

1999-05-05 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "David" == David Aronstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David I have attached a simple file that did not update properly,
David when I:  wrote the first sentence, viewed the DVI file, 
David wrote the second sentence, and then viewed the DVI file again.

David However, the file is saved correctly, and when I load up the
David file again in a subsequent LyX session, it is viewed correctly in DVI.

David So, I'm not sure if this file will be of any use.
David Is there some other way we can help track this down?

Try running ``lyx -dbg'' with a bit pattern number.

The bits are:

INFO   = (1),// 1
INIT   = (1  1),   // 2
KEY= (1  2),   // 4
TOOLBAR= (1  3),   // 8
LEX_PARSER = (1  4),   // 16
LYXRC  = (1  5),   // 32
KBMAP  = (1  6),   // 64
LATEX  = (1  7),   // 128
MATHED = (1  8),   // 256
FONT   = (1  9),   // 512
TCLASS = (1  10),  // 1024
LYXVC  = (1  11),  // 2048
ROFF   = (1  12),  // 4096
LYXSERVER  = (1  13),  // 8192

Executing ``lyx -dbg 65535'' is probably too much.

 ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Small glitch in View dvi?

1999-05-05 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

>>>>> "David" == David Aronstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> I have attached a simple file that did not update properly,
David> when I:  wrote the first sentence, viewed the DVI file, 
David> wrote the second sentence, and then viewed the DVI file again.

David> However, the file is saved correctly, and when I load up the
David> file again in a subsequent LyX session, it is viewed correctly in DVI.

David> So, I'm not sure if this file will be of any use.
David> Is there some other way we can help track this down?

Try running ``lyx -dbg'' with a bit pattern number.

The bits are:

INFO   = (1),// 1
INIT   = (1 << 1),   // 2
KEY= (1 << 2),   // 4
TOOLBAR= (1 << 3),   // 8
LEX_PARSER = (1 << 4),   // 16
LYXRC  = (1 << 5),   // 32
KBMAP  = (1 << 6),   // 64
LATEX  = (1 << 7),   // 128
MATHED = (1 << 8),   // 256
FONT   = (1 << 9),   // 512
TCLASS = (1 << 10),  // 1024
LYXVC  = (1 << 11),  // 2048
ROFF   = (1 << 12),  // 4096
    LYXSERVER  = (1 << 13),  // 8192

Executing ``lyx -dbg 65535'' is probably too much.

 ---Kayvan
-- 
Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan   | Proud husband of   | Father to
Sylvan Associates, Inc.| Laura Isabella Sylvan  | Katherine Yelena (8/8/89)
http://www.isp.net/~kayvan || Robin Gregory (2/28/92)



Re: Errors during the Latex run

1999-04-30 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "ctdole" == ctdole  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ctdole I worked with this for some time and actually thought I had it
ctdole "fixed".  If I open a LyX document and delete the first few
ctdole lines of text and type it back in then print (or view dvi) it
ctdole comes out fine. No errors are generated. But if I save the
ctdole document and open it again and print (or dvi view) I get the
ctdole \begin{document} error. Could it have to do with my tex
ctdole package? I running tetex-0.4pl8-11 which came with Red Hat
ctdole 5.1.  Perhaps it's time to upgrade. Not knowing raw LaTex I
ctdole wouldn't know how to add something to the preamble.

I'm running tetex-0.9-6 on Redhat 5.2 and I don't see the problem you
describe. In fact, I even took the latest CVS snapshot and the
lyx.spec file and generated a quick lyx-1.0.2pre4-1 RPM and installed
that and was not able to reproduce the problem.

It might be your TeX. Have you tried running the Options-Reconfigure
to see if that fixes anything?

You might also try looking at ``Help-LaTeX Configuration'' to see if
it reveals anything strange.

---Kayvan



Re: Errors during the Latex run

1999-04-30 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

 "ctdole" == ctdole  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

ctdole I worked with this for some time and actually thought I had it
ctdole "fixed".  If I open a LyX document and delete the first few
ctdole lines of text and type it back in then print (or view dvi) it
ctdole comes out fine. No errors are generated. But if I save the
ctdole document and open it again and print (or dvi view) I get the
ctdole \begin{document} error. Could it have to do with my tex
ctdole package? I running tetex-0.4pl8-11 which came with Red Hat
ctdole 5.1.  Perhaps it's time to upgrade. Not knowing raw LaTex I
ctdole wouldn't know how to add something to the preamble.

I'm running tetex-0.9-6 on Redhat 5.2 and I don't see the problem you
describe. In fact, I even took the latest CVS snapshot and the
lyx.spec file and generated a quick lyx-1.0.2pre4-1 RPM and installed
that and was not able to reproduce the problem.

It might be your TeX. Have you tried running the Options-Reconfigure
to see if that fixes anything?

You might also try looking at ``Help-LaTeX Configuration'' to see if
it reveals anything strange.

---Kayvan



Re: Errors during the Latex run

1999-04-30 Thread Kayvan Aghaiepour Sylvan

> "ctdole" == ctdole  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

ctdole> I worked with this for some time and actually thought I had it
ctdole> "fixed".  If I open a LyX document and delete the first few
ctdole> lines of text and type it back in then print (or view dvi) it
ctdole> comes out fine. No errors are generated. But if I save the
ctdole> document and open it again and print (or dvi view) I get the
ctdole> \begin{document} error. Could it have to do with my tex
ctdole> package? I running tetex-0.4pl8-11 which came with Red Hat
ctdole> 5.1.  Perhaps it's time to upgrade. Not knowing raw LaTex I
ctdole> wouldn't know how to add something to the preamble.

I'm running tetex-0.9-6 on Redhat 5.2 and I don't see the problem you
describe. In fact, I even took the latest CVS snapshot and the
lyx.spec file and generated a quick lyx-1.0.2pre4-1 RPM and installed
that and was not able to reproduce the problem.

It might be your TeX. Have you tried running the Options->Reconfigure
to see if that fixes anything?

You might also try looking at ``Help->LaTeX Configuration'' to see if
it reveals anything strange.

---Kayvan