Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:35:46 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2010-04-14, Typhoon wrote:
  On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:56:10 +0200
  Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote:
  On 04/14/2010 06:42 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
 
   Great post Abdel.
   The idea of sharing repos as a portable document format is great.
 
 Indeed.
 
  I don't know what the technical challenges might be, but do we have
  to choose? Emacs supports RCS, CVS, bazaar, mercurial and git (at
  least - there may be others). Let the user choose. 
 
 Someone has to do the work. So (at least in the beginning) it is the
 developer who chooses.  (With Emacs (or e.g. the Jed editor), every
 user can write/provide/install additional modes. This flexibility is
 the core of Emacs' power.)
 
 
  If it isn't necessary, I don't think that LyX should lock into one
  system. 
 
 While it is good to support a wide choice of systems for version
 control, for a portable LyX document *one* format is the right way.

I see the argument, and you may be right. BUT when I wanted to
collaborate with a colleague, they knew how to use Bazaar, so we went
that way. I think it would have been hard to get them to use something
else.

As I said before, I don't know what the technical problems are in
implementing this in LyX. However, if it is possible to support more
than one DVCS, then I think it should be kept in mind. The portable
in portable LyX document is a very relative thing. It depends almost
entirely on who you want to port it to. 

I suppose that if everything is bundled with LyX, then the choice is
made and it doesn't matter. Is that a sensible solution?

In the end, I suppose that it may be a technical question/solution and
I am absolutely unqualified to speak to that. But I hope that people
who are qualified will at least consider keeping the options open.

Cheers,
Alan


 
 
 Günter
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:35:46 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2010-04-14, Typhoon wrote:
  On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:56:10 +0200
  Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote:
  On 04/14/2010 06:42 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
 
   Great post Abdel.
   The idea of sharing repos as a portable document format is great.
 
 Indeed.
 
  I don't know what the technical challenges might be, but do we have
  to choose? Emacs supports RCS, CVS, bazaar, mercurial and git (at
  least - there may be others). Let the user choose. 
 
 Someone has to do the work. So (at least in the beginning) it is the
 developer who chooses.  (With Emacs (or e.g. the Jed editor), every
 user can write/provide/install additional modes. This flexibility is
 the core of Emacs' power.)
 
 
  If it isn't necessary, I don't think that LyX should lock into one
  system. 
 
 While it is good to support a wide choice of systems for version
 control, for a portable LyX document *one* format is the right way.

I see the argument, and you may be right. BUT when I wanted to
collaborate with a colleague, they knew how to use Bazaar, so we went
that way. I think it would have been hard to get them to use something
else.

As I said before, I don't know what the technical problems are in
implementing this in LyX. However, if it is possible to support more
than one DVCS, then I think it should be kept in mind. The portable
in portable LyX document is a very relative thing. It depends almost
entirely on who you want to port it to. 

I suppose that if everything is bundled with LyX, then the choice is
made and it doesn't matter. Is that a sensible solution?

In the end, I suppose that it may be a technical question/solution and
I am absolutely unqualified to speak to that. But I hope that people
who are qualified will at least consider keeping the options open.

Cheers,
Alan


 
 
 Günter
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:35:46 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde <mi...@users.berlios.de> wrote:

> On 2010-04-14, Typhoon wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:56:10 +0200
> > Abdelrazak Younes <you...@lyx.org> wrote:
> >> On 04/14/2010 06:42 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
> 
> >> > Great post Abdel.
> >> > The idea of sharing repos as a portable document format is great.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> > I don't know what the technical challenges might be, but do we have
> > to choose? Emacs supports RCS, CVS, bazaar, mercurial and git (at
> > least - there may be others). Let the user choose. 
> 
> Someone has to do the work. So (at least in the beginning) it is the
> developer who chooses.  (With Emacs (or e.g. the Jed editor), every
> user can write/provide/install additional modes. This flexibility is
> the core of Emacs' power.)
> 
> 
> > If it isn't necessary, I don't think that LyX should lock into one
> > system. 
> 
> While it is good to support a wide choice of systems for version
> control, for a "portable LyX document" *one* format is the right way.

I see the argument, and you may be right. BUT when I wanted to
collaborate with a colleague, they knew how to use Bazaar, so we went
that way. I think it would have been hard to get them to use something
else.

As I said before, I don't know what the technical problems are in
implementing this in LyX. However, if it is possible to support more
than one DVCS, then I think it should be kept in mind. The "portable"
in "portable LyX document" is a very relative thing. It depends almost
entirely on who you want to "port" it to. 

I suppose that if everything is bundled with LyX, then the choice is
made and it doesn't matter. Is that a sensible solution?

In the end, I suppose that it may be a technical question/solution and
I am absolutely unqualified to speak to that. But I hope that people
who are qualified will at least consider keeping the options open.

Cheers,
Alan


> 
> 
> Günter
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:56:10 +0200
Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 04/14/2010 06:42 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
  Great post Abdel.
 
  The idea of sharing repos as a portable document format is great.
  The only issue I have with git is that it depends on a mixture of
  C, shell and perl scripts that make it hardly portable. But I could
  be wrong.
 
 For what we need, only the compiled c program is required. But in any 
 case msysgit runs pretty fine under Windows and git has even been
 ported to MSVC nowadays.
 
  Assuming a working python on the system is not that bad (OSX, *BSDs 
  and linuxes most have them). And python is already a requirement
  for LyX right? So my vote goes to mercurial.
 
 We are not at the voting step just now, this is all vaporware we are 
 talking about ;-)
 
 AFAIK mercurial also rely on some compiled c-code but I can be wrong.
 
 In any case, the goal would be to rely on an installed git or
 mercurial, not to redistribute them I guess. Under Windows,
 distributing git or mercurial would just be a packaging issue,
 nothing else.

I don't know what the technical challenges might be, but do we have to
choose? Emacs supports RCS, CVS, bazaar, mercurial and git (at least -
there may be others). Let the user choose. The LyX side of it doesn't
need to do everything. Again using Emacs as the model, it allows
commits and reversions, shows annotations and other forms of history,
takes snapshots -- all through a common interface.

If it isn't necessary, I don't think that LyX should lock into one
system. Thinking particularly of collaboration, most of our
collaborators are less flexible and less informed than the members of
this list.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Abdel.
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:56:10 +0200
Abdelrazak Younes you...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 04/14/2010 06:42 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
  Great post Abdel.
 
  The idea of sharing repos as a portable document format is great.
  The only issue I have with git is that it depends on a mixture of
  C, shell and perl scripts that make it hardly portable. But I could
  be wrong.
 
 For what we need, only the compiled c program is required. But in any 
 case msysgit runs pretty fine under Windows and git has even been
 ported to MSVC nowadays.
 
  Assuming a working python on the system is not that bad (OSX, *BSDs 
  and linuxes most have them). And python is already a requirement
  for LyX right? So my vote goes to mercurial.
 
 We are not at the voting step just now, this is all vaporware we are 
 talking about ;-)
 
 AFAIK mercurial also rely on some compiled c-code but I can be wrong.
 
 In any case, the goal would be to rely on an installed git or
 mercurial, not to redistribute them I guess. Under Windows,
 distributing git or mercurial would just be a packaging issue,
 nothing else.

I don't know what the technical challenges might be, but do we have to
choose? Emacs supports RCS, CVS, bazaar, mercurial and git (at least -
there may be others). Let the user choose. The LyX side of it doesn't
need to do everything. Again using Emacs as the model, it allows
commits and reversions, shows annotations and other forms of history,
takes snapshots -- all through a common interface.

If it isn't necessary, I don't think that LyX should lock into one
system. Thinking particularly of collaboration, most of our
collaborators are less flexible and less informed than the members of
this list.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Abdel.
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:56:10 +0200
Abdelrazak Younes  wrote:

> On 04/14/2010 06:42 PM, Jose Quesada wrote:
> > Great post Abdel.
> >
> > The idea of sharing repos as a portable document format is great.
> > The only issue I have with git is that it depends on a mixture of
> > C, shell and perl scripts that make it hardly portable. But I could
> > be wrong.
> 
> For what we need, only the compiled c program is required. But in any 
> case msysgit runs pretty fine under Windows and git has even been
> ported to MSVC nowadays.
> 
> > Assuming a working python on the system is not that bad (OSX, *BSDs 
> > and linuxes most have them). And python is already a requirement
> > for LyX right? So my vote goes to mercurial.
> 
> We are not at the voting step just now, this is all vaporware we are 
> talking about ;-)
> 
> AFAIK mercurial also rely on some compiled c-code but I can be wrong.
> 
> In any case, the goal would be to rely on an installed git or
> mercurial, not to redistribute them I guess. Under Windows,
> distributing git or mercurial would just be a packaging issue,
> nothing else.

I don't know what the technical challenges might be, but do we have to
choose? Emacs supports RCS, CVS, bazaar, mercurial and git (at least -
there may be others). Let the user choose. The LyX side of it doesn't
need to do everything. Again using Emacs as the model, it allows
commits and reversions, shows annotations and other forms of history,
takes snapshots -- all through a common interface.

If it isn't necessary, I don't think that LyX should lock into one
system. Thinking particularly of collaboration, most of our
collaborators are less flexible and less informed than the members of
this list.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> Abdel.
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:02:23 -0400
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 04/13/2010 10:43 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  rgheck wrote:
 
  It'd be nice to hear precisely what people would want that version
  control does not provide. I have a hard time myself seeing why it
  is any more than an isn't that cool feature for two people
  simultaneously to edit a single document. I.e., fun, but hardly
  revolutionary as far as actual productivity goes, at least for the
  sort of work most LyX users actually do. There's no doubt that
  LyXs' VC support could be improved, and it has been in some
  significant ways for 2.0, so we'd happily hear suggestions about
  that, too. 
  I also think that VC probably provides all you need for
  collaboration (although a closer integration of VC, comparision and
  CT would be cool).
 
  For me, a main obstacle is the lack of a suitable web service. My
  Faculty does not provide svn or other VC repositories, and I did
  not find a suitable service on the web yet, where I can savely
  store my data in such a way that only selected people can access
  it. But maybe I just didn't search long enough.
 
 
 I looked into some of this a while ago, and there aren't great
 options for the sort of thing we're discussing: I.e., not
 programming, and not open to everyone's eyes. Brown, as it happens,
 does provide such a facility, though I haven't yet found the time
 even to move our website code over there.
 
 Have you asked the IS people if they'd think about supporting svn on 
 their servers?
 
 Richard

What about using a distributed version control system? I use Bazaar to
collaborate with one of my colleagues. We meed every so often to do a
double merge and it works really well. No central server is needed,
although if you have one available then you can use it like svn.

I have liked it so much that I also use it between my home machine and
laptop to keep thinks in sync and not accidentally rub out work on one
or the other.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:02:23 -0400
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 04/13/2010 10:43 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  rgheck wrote:
 
  It'd be nice to hear precisely what people would want that version
  control does not provide. I have a hard time myself seeing why it
  is any more than an isn't that cool feature for two people
  simultaneously to edit a single document. I.e., fun, but hardly
  revolutionary as far as actual productivity goes, at least for the
  sort of work most LyX users actually do. There's no doubt that
  LyXs' VC support could be improved, and it has been in some
  significant ways for 2.0, so we'd happily hear suggestions about
  that, too. 
  I also think that VC probably provides all you need for
  collaboration (although a closer integration of VC, comparision and
  CT would be cool).
 
  For me, a main obstacle is the lack of a suitable web service. My
  Faculty does not provide svn or other VC repositories, and I did
  not find a suitable service on the web yet, where I can savely
  store my data in such a way that only selected people can access
  it. But maybe I just didn't search long enough.
 
 
 I looked into some of this a while ago, and there aren't great
 options for the sort of thing we're discussing: I.e., not
 programming, and not open to everyone's eyes. Brown, as it happens,
 does provide such a facility, though I haven't yet found the time
 even to move our website code over there.
 
 Have you asked the IS people if they'd think about supporting svn on 
 their servers?
 
 Richard

What about using a distributed version control system? I use Bazaar to
collaborate with one of my colleagues. We meed every so often to do a
double merge and it works really well. No central server is needed,
although if you have one available then you can use it like svn.

I have liked it so much that I also use it between my home machine and
laptop to keep thinks in sync and not accidentally rub out work on one
or the other.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: new google docs interface, with wave backend. (collaboration trends)

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:02:23 -0400
rgheck  wrote:

> On 04/13/2010 10:43 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > rgheck wrote:
> >
> >> It'd be nice to hear precisely what people would want that version
> >> control does not provide. I have a hard time myself seeing why it
> >> is any more than an "isn't that cool" feature for two people
> >> simultaneously to edit a single document. I.e., fun, but hardly
> >> revolutionary as far as actual productivity goes, at least for the
> >> sort of work most LyX users actually do. There's no doubt that
> >> LyXs' VC support could be improved, and it has been in some
> >> significant ways for 2.0, so we'd happily hear suggestions about
> >> that, too. 
> > I also think that VC probably provides all you need for
> > collaboration (although a closer integration of VC, comparision and
> > CT would be cool).
> >
> > For me, a main obstacle is the lack of a suitable web service. My
> > Faculty does not provide svn or other VC repositories, and I did
> > not find a suitable service on the web yet, where I can savely
> > store my data in such a way that only selected people can access
> > it. But maybe I just didn't search long enough.
> >
> >
> I looked into some of this a while ago, and there aren't great
> options for the sort of thing we're discussing: I.e., not
> programming, and not open to everyone's eyes. Brown, as it happens,
> does provide such a facility, though I haven't yet found the time
> even to move our website code over there.
> 
> Have you asked the IS people if they'd think about supporting svn on 
> their servers?
> 
> Richard

What about using a distributed version control system? I use Bazaar to
collaborate with one of my colleagues. We meed every so often to do a
double merge and it works really well. No central server is needed,
although if you have one available then you can use it like svn.

I have liked it so much that I also use it between my home machine and
laptop to keep thinks in sync and not accidentally rub out work on one
or the other.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Error for xetex generated pdf on lulu.com: Your document could not be created: The Times-Bold font is not embedded.

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:46:07 -0400
Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ mjoy...@vbservices.net wrote:

 Guenter Milde wrote:
 
  Actually the only fonts I am using are 'Digohweli', 'Aborginal
  Serif', and 'Aboriginal Sans' so I was definitely surprised by
  Lulu asking me for the Times font 
  
 
  I *guess* that at least one of your fonts is missing a bold
  variant and Times Bold is used as fallback.

 
 Indeed!

  Maybe defining a different fallback font could help (or eleminating
  the bold text part or setting it in a font that has a bold variant
  or ...)

 I would I define a different fall-back font? The Digohweli font does
 not have any variations to it. :(
 I currently have the following in my header:
 
 
 %\usepackage{musictex}
 
 
 \usepackage{abc}
 
 
 \usepackage{multicol}
 
 
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 
 
 \usepackage{xunicode}
 
 
 \usepackage{xltxtra}
 
 
 \usepackage{epigraph}
 
 
 \setmainfont[BoldFont={Aboriginal Serif Bold},ItalicFont={Aboriginal 
 Serif Italic},BoldItalicFont={Aboriginal Serif Bold Italic}]
 {Digohweli}
 
 
 \setsansfont[]{Aboriginal Sans}
 

I haven't checked lately, and it was never properly advertised, but
lulu.com will (or at least would) accept a postscript manuscript and do
the conversion to pdf. That might be one way to solve your problem.

Cheers,
Alan


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Error for xetex generated pdf on lulu.com: Your document could not be created: The Times-Bold font is not embedded.

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:46:07 -0400
Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ mjoy...@vbservices.net wrote:

 Guenter Milde wrote:
 
  Actually the only fonts I am using are 'Digohweli', 'Aborginal
  Serif', and 'Aboriginal Sans' so I was definitely surprised by
  Lulu asking me for the Times font 
  
 
  I *guess* that at least one of your fonts is missing a bold
  variant and Times Bold is used as fallback.

 
 Indeed!

  Maybe defining a different fallback font could help (or eleminating
  the bold text part or setting it in a font that has a bold variant
  or ...)

 I would I define a different fall-back font? The Digohweli font does
 not have any variations to it. :(
 I currently have the following in my header:
 
 
 %\usepackage{musictex}
 
 
 \usepackage{abc}
 
 
 \usepackage{multicol}
 
 
 \usepackage{fontspec}
 
 
 \usepackage{xunicode}
 
 
 \usepackage{xltxtra}
 
 
 \usepackage{epigraph}
 
 
 \setmainfont[BoldFont={Aboriginal Serif Bold},ItalicFont={Aboriginal 
 Serif Italic},BoldItalicFont={Aboriginal Serif Bold Italic}]
 {Digohweli}
 
 
 \setsansfont[]{Aboriginal Sans}
 

I haven't checked lately, and it was never properly advertised, but
lulu.com will (or at least would) accept a postscript manuscript and do
the conversion to pdf. That might be one way to solve your problem.

Cheers,
Alan


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Error for xetex generated pdf on lulu.com: Your document could not be created: The Times-Bold font is not embedded.

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 18:46:07 -0400
Michael Joyner ᏩᏯ  wrote:

> Guenter Milde wrote:
> >
> >> Actually the only fonts I am using are 'Digohweli', 'Aborginal
> >> Serif', and 'Aboriginal Sans' so I was definitely surprised by
> >> Lulu asking me for the Times font 
> >> 
> >
> > I *guess* that at least one of your fonts is missing a "bold"
> > variant and Times Bold is used as fallback.
> >   
> 
> Indeed!
> >   
> > Maybe defining a different fallback font could help (or eleminating
> > the bold text part or setting it in a font that has a bold variant
> > or ...)
> >   
> I would I define a different fall-back font? The Digohweli font does
> not have any variations to it. :(
> I currently have the following in my header:
> 
> 
> %\usepackage{musictex}
> 
> 
> \usepackage{abc}
> 
> 
> \usepackage{multicol}
> 
> 
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> 
> 
> \usepackage{xunicode}
> 
> 
> \usepackage{xltxtra}
> 
> 
> \usepackage{epigraph}
> 
> 
> \setmainfont[BoldFont={Aboriginal Serif Bold},ItalicFont={Aboriginal 
> Serif Italic},BoldItalicFont={Aboriginal Serif Bold Italic}]
> {Digohweli}
> 
> 
> \setsansfont[]{Aboriginal Sans}
> 

I haven't checked lately, and it was never properly advertised, but
lulu.com will (or at least would) accept a postscript manuscript and do
the conversion to pdf. That might be one way to solve your problem.

Cheers,
Alan


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Making a presentation in LyX

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:24:33 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2010-04-08, Typhoon wrote:
 
  Well, if you are going to abandon LyX for the job, you might also
  want to take a look at S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
 
  Depends on how fancy your presentation needs to be, but I like S5
  for fairly simple ones (and I personally think that most *should* be
  simple).
 
  Sorry for the OT post.
 
 To be even more OT: for simple presentations, the Docutils frontend
 to S5 provides an easy to understand WYSIWYM input language
 (reStructuredText).
 http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/slide-shows.html

Hi Gunter,
Agree with that 100%! It is what I use for all my S5 presentations. I
like reStructuredText a lot - it is easy to get other people to do
simple things in it for interchangeable stuff.

But now I guess we are way off topic. Still, it is a nice way to do
simple presentations!

Cheers,
Alan

 
 
 Günter
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Making a presentation in LyX

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:24:33 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2010-04-08, Typhoon wrote:
 
  Well, if you are going to abandon LyX for the job, you might also
  want to take a look at S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
 
  Depends on how fancy your presentation needs to be, but I like S5
  for fairly simple ones (and I personally think that most *should* be
  simple).
 
  Sorry for the OT post.
 
 To be even more OT: for simple presentations, the Docutils frontend
 to S5 provides an easy to understand WYSIWYM input language
 (reStructuredText).
 http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/slide-shows.html

Hi Gunter,
Agree with that 100%! It is what I use for all my S5 presentations. I
like reStructuredText a lot - it is easy to get other people to do
simple things in it for interchangeable stuff.

But now I guess we are way off topic. Still, it is a nice way to do
simple presentations!

Cheers,
Alan

 
 
 Günter
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Making a presentation in LyX

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:24:33 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde <mi...@users.berlios.de> wrote:

> On 2010-04-08, Typhoon wrote:
> 
> > Well, if you are going to abandon LyX for the job, you might also
> > want to take a look at S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
> 
> > Depends on how fancy your presentation needs to be, but I like S5
> > for fairly simple ones (and I personally think that most *should* be
> > simple).
> 
> > Sorry for the OT post.
> 
> To be even more OT: for simple presentations, the Docutils frontend
> to S5 provides an easy to understand WYSIWYM input language
> (reStructuredText).
> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/slide-shows.html

Hi Gunter,
Agree with that 100%! It is what I use for all my S5 presentations. I
like reStructuredText a lot - it is easy to get other people to do
simple things in it for interchangeable stuff.

But now I guess we are way off topic. Still, it is a nice way to do
simple presentations!

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> 
> Günter
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Making a presentation in LyX

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:49:11 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 07 April 2010 13:28:04 Rich Shepard wrote:
  On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Steve Litt wrote:
   Which PDF guide -- what's the URL, filename, or mouse click path
   to get to it?
  
  Steve,
  
 Here it's: /usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/beamer/beameruserguide.pdf
  
  Rich
 
 Got it! It was in a different directory on my box, but Say La V. Very 
 informative document.
 
 As I read that doc I begin to wonder whether pure LaTeX would be the
 preferred way to make a Beamer presentation. LyX is great for 50,000
 word books, but I'm thinking the line oriented nature of LaTeX might
 better match the line oriented nature of a presentation, and I find
 it easier to understand in LaTeX.

Hi Steve,
Well, if you are going to abandon LyX for the job, you might also want
to take a look at S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Depends on how fancy your presentation needs to be, but I like S5 for
fairly simple ones (and I personally think that most *should* be
simple).

Sorry for the OT post.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Thanks for the tip!
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Making a presentation in LyX

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:49:11 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 07 April 2010 13:28:04 Rich Shepard wrote:
  On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Steve Litt wrote:
   Which PDF guide -- what's the URL, filename, or mouse click path
   to get to it?
  
  Steve,
  
 Here it's: /usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/beamer/beameruserguide.pdf
  
  Rich
 
 Got it! It was in a different directory on my box, but Say La V. Very 
 informative document.
 
 As I read that doc I begin to wonder whether pure LaTeX would be the
 preferred way to make a Beamer presentation. LyX is great for 50,000
 word books, but I'm thinking the line oriented nature of LaTeX might
 better match the line oriented nature of a presentation, and I find
 it easier to understand in LaTeX.

Hi Steve,
Well, if you are going to abandon LyX for the job, you might also want
to take a look at S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Depends on how fancy your presentation needs to be, but I like S5 for
fairly simple ones (and I personally think that most *should* be
simple).

Sorry for the OT post.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Thanks for the tip!
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Making a presentation in LyX

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 19:49:11 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Wednesday 07 April 2010 13:28:04 Rich Shepard wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > Which PDF guide -- what's the URL, filename, or mouse click path
> > > to get to it?
> > 
> > Steve,
> > 
> >Here it's: /usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/beamer/beameruserguide.pdf
> > 
> > Rich
> 
> Got it! It was in a different directory on my box, but Say La V. Very 
> informative document.
> 
> As I read that doc I begin to wonder whether pure LaTeX would be the
> preferred way to make a Beamer presentation. LyX is great for 50,000
> word books, but I'm thinking the line oriented nature of LaTeX might
> better match the line oriented nature of a presentation, and I find
> it easier to understand in LaTeX.

Hi Steve,
Well, if you are going to abandon LyX for the job, you might also want
to take a look at S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/

Depends on how fancy your presentation needs to be, but I like S5 for
fairly simple ones (and I personally think that most *should* be
simple).

Sorry for the OT post.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> Thanks for the tip!
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[Typhoon]

SNIP

I have tidied up the instructions (including a nice suggestion from
Wolfgang) and posted the tutorial on the Wiki under the Tips/Compiling
section:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling#sTips.Compiling_9

It would be nice if someone could include a yum/whatever equivalent for
the Debian

apt-get build-dep lyx

command.

I also included a brief separate section on the virtues of using GNU
Stow to install the compiled software.

Cheers,
Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[Typhoon]

SNIP

I have tidied up the instructions (including a nice suggestion from
Wolfgang) and posted the tutorial on the Wiki under the Tips/Compiling
section:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling#sTips.Compiling_9

It would be nice if someone could include a yum/whatever equivalent for
the Debian

apt-get build-dep lyx

command.

I also included a brief separate section on the virtues of using GNU
Stow to install the compiled software.

Cheers,
Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[Typhoon]

I have tidied up the instructions (including a nice suggestion from
Wolfgang) and posted the tutorial on the Wiki under the Tips/Compiling
section:

http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Compiling#sTips.Compiling_9

It would be nice if someone could include a yum/whatever equivalent for
the Debian

apt-get build-dep lyx

command.

I also included a brief separate section on the virtues of using GNU
Stow to install the compiled software.

Cheers,
Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:17:25 +0200
Wei-Dong Lian weidong.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
 even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
SNIP 
 ECN
 Weidong

Hello Weidong,
Here is a short Howto that I wrote for compiling LyX and using GNU Stow
to keep it out of the way of your existing LyX installation.

-

===
 Compiling LyX on Ubuntu or Debian
===


 And using GNU Stow


Getting the tools
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep lyx
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install stow
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install automake
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo atp-get install autoconf


This should get most or all of what you need. There may be a
substantial download if you have no building tools already installed.

Getting LyX
===

You want the source code.

Download the source tarball from  http://www.lyx.org/Download. The
downloaded file will be named lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz.

Local directory
===

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ mkdir local
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ mv lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz ./local
   (Note: the tarball may be downloaded to some special directory,
   usually either Desktop or Downloads. You may need to adjust the
   above command line accordingly)
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd local
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ tar xovzf lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz
   This will create a new sub-directory under ~/local and will unpack
   the source files for lyx.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd lyx-1.6.5

Compiling
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./autogen.sh
   Check the output - if it says something is missing, then use
   apt-get to install it.
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./configure --with-version-suffix=165
   We give it a different suffix so that it doesn't conflict with your
   existing LyX installation. You can use both the new version and the
   previously installed version.

   Check the output - if it says something is missing, then install
   using apt-get. Repeat items 1 and 2.
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ make
   Depending on your machine, this may take some time. If there is an
   error, then read the output. You probably need to use apt-get to
   install some new piece of software.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
5. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd /usr/local/stow
6. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo stow lyx165

Running the new version
===

y...@yourmachine:~$ lyx165

You can also make a launcher for the new version by right clicking
on the panel. The command should be /usr/local/bin/lyx165.

You can also run your old LyX version using the simple command:

y...@yourmachine:~$ lyx

In a launcher, the command /usr/local/bin/lyx will run the old version.



Please let me know if there is any problem with any of the steps here.
Cheers,
Alan




-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:17:25 +0200
Wei-Dong Lian weidong.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
 even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
SNIP 
 ECN
 Weidong

Hello Weidong,
Here is a short Howto that I wrote for compiling LyX and using GNU Stow
to keep it out of the way of your existing LyX installation.

-

===
 Compiling LyX on Ubuntu or Debian
===


 And using GNU Stow


Getting the tools
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep lyx
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install stow
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install automake
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo atp-get install autoconf


This should get most or all of what you need. There may be a
substantial download if you have no building tools already installed.

Getting LyX
===

You want the source code.

Download the source tarball from  http://www.lyx.org/Download. The
downloaded file will be named lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz.

Local directory
===

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ mkdir local
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ mv lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz ./local
   (Note: the tarball may be downloaded to some special directory,
   usually either Desktop or Downloads. You may need to adjust the
   above command line accordingly)
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd local
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ tar xovzf lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz
   This will create a new sub-directory under ~/local and will unpack
   the source files for lyx.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd lyx-1.6.5

Compiling
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./autogen.sh
   Check the output - if it says something is missing, then use
   apt-get to install it.
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./configure --with-version-suffix=165
   We give it a different suffix so that it doesn't conflict with your
   existing LyX installation. You can use both the new version and the
   previously installed version.

   Check the output - if it says something is missing, then install
   using apt-get. Repeat items 1 and 2.
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ make
   Depending on your machine, this may take some time. If there is an
   error, then read the output. You probably need to use apt-get to
   install some new piece of software.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
5. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd /usr/local/stow
6. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo stow lyx165

Running the new version
===

y...@yourmachine:~$ lyx165

You can also make a launcher for the new version by right clicking
on the panel. The command should be /usr/local/bin/lyx165.

You can also run your old LyX version using the simple command:

y...@yourmachine:~$ lyx

In a launcher, the command /usr/local/bin/lyx will run the old version.



Please let me know if there is any problem with any of the steps here.
Cheers,
Alan




-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Compiling LyX on Ubuntu/Debian (was Badly needly for lyx 1.6.4 under ubuntu 8.04)

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:17:25 +0200
Wei-Dong Lian  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I would like to know if there is a solution to install lyx 1.64 or
> even higher version under ubuntu 8.04.
 
> ECN
> Weidong

Hello Weidong,
Here is a short Howto that I wrote for compiling LyX and using GNU Stow
to keep it out of the way of your existing LyX installation.

-

===
 Compiling LyX on Ubuntu or Debian
===


 And using GNU Stow


Getting the tools
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get build-dep lyx
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install stow
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo apt-get install automake
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo atp-get install autoconf


This should get most or all of what you need. There may be a
substantial download if you have no building tools already installed.

Getting LyX
===

You want the "source code".

Download the source tarball from  http://www.lyx.org/Download. The
downloaded file will be named lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz.

Local directory
===

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ mkdir local
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ mv lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz ./local
   (Note: the tarball may be downloaded to some special directory,
   usually either Desktop or Downloads. You may need to adjust the
   above command line accordingly)
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd local
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ tar xovzf lyx-1.6.5.tar.gz
   This will create a new sub-directory under ~/local and will unpack
   the source files for lyx.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd lyx-1.6.5

Compiling
=

1. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./autogen.sh
   Check the output - if it says something is missing, then use
   apt-get to install it.
2. y...@yourmachine:~$ ./configure --with-version-suffix=165
   We give it a different suffix so that it doesn't conflict with your
   existing LyX installation. You can use both the new version and the
   previously installed version.

   Check the output - if it says something is missing, then install
   using apt-get. Repeat items 1 and 2.
3. y...@yourmachine:~$ make
   Depending on your machine, this may take some time. If there is an
   error, then read the output. You probably need to use apt-get to
   install some new piece of software.
4. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/lyx165
5. y...@yourmachine:~$ cd /usr/local/stow
6. y...@yourmachine:~$ sudo stow lyx165

Running the new version
===

y...@yourmachine:~$ lyx165

You can also make a "launcher" for the new version by right clicking
on the panel. The command should be /usr/local/bin/lyx165.

You can also run your old LyX version using the simple command:

y...@yourmachine:~$ lyx

In a launcher, the command /usr/local/bin/lyx will run the old version.



Please let me know if there is any problem with any of the steps here.
Cheers,
Alan




-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

PDF Fonts

[Typhoon]

Hi LyXers,

I'm preparing a manuscript for printing. The LyX Wiki recommends Latin
Modern as the best choice of fonts for a PDF document.

Is this still the font of choice for PDF documents? The MS is plain
text with no diagrams or math symbols. Preparation will be with
pdflatex unless there is some particular reason to use a different
method.

Thanks for any advice,
Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

PDF Fonts

[Typhoon]

Hi LyXers,

I'm preparing a manuscript for printing. The LyX Wiki recommends Latin
Modern as the best choice of fonts for a PDF document.

Is this still the font of choice for PDF documents? The MS is plain
text with no diagrams or math symbols. Preparation will be with
pdflatex unless there is some particular reason to use a different
method.

Thanks for any advice,
Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

PDF Fonts

[Typhoon]

Hi LyXers,

I'm preparing a manuscript for printing. The LyX Wiki recommends Latin
Modern as the best choice of fonts for a PDF document.

Is this still the font of choice for PDF documents? The MS is plain
text with no diagrams or math symbols. Preparation will be with
pdflatex unless there is some particular reason to use a different
method.

Thanks for any advice,
Alan

-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Import and export to many formats...

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:58:57 -0500
Ethan Metsger emets...@obj-sys.com wrote:

 On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:21:24 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής  
 nikos.alexand...@felis.uni-freiburg.de wrote:
 
  Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please
  under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody?
 
 It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10.
 
 The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went
 smoothly, including some equations I threw in just for fun.  The
 formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings for
 some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to
 work pretty well.
 
 Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I
 could break it, and it seemed to handle it ok.  The formatting was
 certainly FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were
 all there.
 
 Best,
 
 Ethan
 
 

I have mentioned this before, but even I keep forgetting it. oolatex
(the script in tex4ht that does the conversion to OO files) will choke
on the non-Sun Java JRE that is installed by default on Debian. It looks
like it runs, but gives an empty document.

I have converted textbooks of some 600 pages using many
cross-references, multiple indexes and bibliographies using the Memoir
class. It is seldom perfect, but plenty good enough for publishers (I
think mine still uses hot type, but I could be mistaken :-)).

Cheers,
Alan



-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Import and export to many formats...

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:58:57 -0500
Ethan Metsger emets...@obj-sys.com wrote:

 On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:21:24 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής  
 nikos.alexand...@felis.uni-freiburg.de wrote:
 
  Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please
  under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody?
 
 It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10.
 
 The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went
 smoothly, including some equations I threw in just for fun.  The
 formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings for
 some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to
 work pretty well.
 
 Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I
 could break it, and it seemed to handle it ok.  The formatting was
 certainly FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were
 all there.
 
 Best,
 
 Ethan
 
 

I have mentioned this before, but even I keep forgetting it. oolatex
(the script in tex4ht that does the conversion to OO files) will choke
on the non-Sun Java JRE that is installed by default on Debian. It looks
like it runs, but gives an empty document.

I have converted textbooks of some 600 pages using many
cross-references, multiple indexes and bibliographies using the Memoir
class. It is seldom perfect, but plenty good enough for publishers (I
think mine still uses hot type, but I could be mistaken :-)).

Cheers,
Alan



-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Import and export to many formats...

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:58:57 -0500
"Ethan Metsger"  wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:21:24 -0500, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής  
>  wrote:
> 
> > Seriously, I really would like to see it, just one example please
> > under Ubuntu/ Debian somebody?
> 
> It worked for me out of the box with LyX 1.6.4 / Ubuntu 9.10.
> 
> The transformation of a multi-page internal design document went
> smoothly, including some equations I threw in just for fun.  The
> formatting needs minor tweaks as OO.org doesn't include spacings for
> some of the styles that are attractive, but otherwise it seemed to
> work pretty well.
> 
> Just for fun, I ran a beamer presentation through just to see if I
> could break it, and it seemed to handle it ok.  The formatting was
> certainly FUBAR, as you might expect, but the text and graphics were
> all there.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ethan
> 
> 

I have mentioned this before, but even I keep forgetting it. oolatex
(the script in tex4ht that does the conversion to OO files) will choke
on the non-Sun Java JRE that is installed by default on Debian. It looks
like it runs, but gives an empty document.

I have converted textbooks of some 600 pages using many
cross-references, multiple indexes and bibliographies using the Memoir
class. It is seldom perfect, but plenty good enough for publishers (I
think mine still uses hot type, but I could be mistaken :-)).

Cheers,
Alan



-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Lyx 2.0

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:09:59 -0500
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 24 February 2010 10:08:15 curtis osterhoudt wrote:
 I've been downloading and compiling the svn sources for 2.0
  about once a week for, oh, several months now. It's the only
SNIP


 
 Curtis -- Is LyX 2.0 still like old ones where you can compile it as,
 let's say, lyx-20 and it will run parallel to the LyX that came with
 your distro (Ubuntu 9.10 in my case)?
 
 Thanks

Steve and others,
For those using Linux, may I strongly recommend GNU Stow for this
purpose? It puts the compiled version in a safe place (ie, away from
anthing that your package manager is interested in) and puts symbolic
links to this safe place. It is a brilliant system for working outside
the normal package management system.

http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Stow

http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/127393

Install stow with your normal package manager.

Cheers,
Alan


 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Lyx 2.0

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:09:59 -0500
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 24 February 2010 10:08:15 curtis osterhoudt wrote:
 I've been downloading and compiling the svn sources for 2.0
  about once a week for, oh, several months now. It's the only
SNIP


 
 Curtis -- Is LyX 2.0 still like old ones where you can compile it as,
 let's say, lyx-20 and it will run parallel to the LyX that came with
 your distro (Ubuntu 9.10 in my case)?
 
 Thanks

Steve and others,
For those using Linux, may I strongly recommend GNU Stow for this
purpose? It puts the compiled version in a safe place (ie, away from
anthing that your package manager is interested in) and puts symbolic
links to this safe place. It is a brilliant system for working outside
the normal package management system.

http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Stow

http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/127393

Install stow with your normal package manager.

Cheers,
Alan


 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Lyx 2.0

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:09:59 -0500
Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Wednesday 24 February 2010 10:08:15 curtis osterhoudt wrote:
> >I've been downloading and compiling the svn sources for 2.0
> > about once a week for, oh, several months now. It's the only



> 
> Curtis -- Is LyX 2.0 still like old ones where you can compile it as,
> let's say, lyx-20 and it will run parallel to the LyX that came with
> your distro (Ubuntu 9.10 in my case)?
> 
> Thanks

Steve and others,
For those using Linux, may I strongly recommend GNU Stow for this
purpose? It puts the compiled version in a "safe" place (ie, away from
anthing that your package manager is interested in) and puts symbolic
links to this safe place. It is a brilliant system for working outside
the normal package management system.

http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Stow

http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/127393

Install stow with your normal package manager.

Cheers,
Alan


> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
Louis A. Turk l...@dayspringpublisher.com wrote:

 Hi fellow lyx users,
 
 I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
 Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
 matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
 folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the front
 matter and main body.
 
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
 documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
 them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere else.
 
 http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
 http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
 
 Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
 
 Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
 how to format the front matter when using Memoir?

Hi Louis,
There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
thought, but mine is to completely handcraft the front pages of a
book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used Koma).

I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 

The adjustable \newcommands are all at the top. (you
will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use with
LyX.

As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
carefully if you decide to use it.

Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
pure LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
of LyX, so things might have improved.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Louis
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206


\documentclass[a4paper]{memoir}
%%
%%
%%
%% this template builds the frontmatter of a book
%%
%% It should work with any class, but was intended
%% to be used with the memoir class.
%%
%%
%%




%
% Define book details in the following
%



\newcommand{\booktitle}{Test Front Matter}
\newcommand{\surname}{Tyree}
\newcommand{\middlename}{L}
\newcommand{\firstname}{Alan}
\newcommand{\isbn}{1234567890}

\title{Test front matter}

\author{Alan L Tyree}

\date{\today}

\newcommand{\publisherinfo}{%%
Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd\\
Katoomba, NSW Australia\\
\copyright 2007 Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.
}

\newcommand{\productioninfo}{%%
This book was produced using Open Source software. The Emacs
text editor was used for writing and editing. \TeX/\LaTeX\ provided
typesetting and layout. All work was done on a Debian GNU/Linux
system. My sincere thanks to all who work in the Open Source movement.
}


\newcommand{\shorttitlepage}[1][\booktitle]%%
{\vspace*{5cm}\begin{center} \Huge%%
  \textbf{#1}\end{center}}

\newcommand{\longtitlepage}{\begin{flushright}\rule{15cm}{.07cm}\\\HUGE%%
\bfseries \booktitle \end{flushright}\vskip 0.5em%%
\begin{flushright}\LARGE%%
\firstname\ \middlename\ \surname%%
\\\rule{15cm}{.07cm} \end{flushright}%%
\normalsize%%
\vfill%%
\begin{center}%%
\vspace{2ex}%%
\textsc{Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd\\Sydney 2007}%%
\end{center}%%
\newpage%%
}


\newcommand{\cataloginfo}{%%
National Library of Australia Cataloguing-in-Publication entry
\vspace{2ex}
\hrule
\vspace{2ex}
\surname, \firstname\ \middlename\\
\thetitle\\
\vspace{2ex}
Bibliography\\
Includes index\\
ISBN: \isbn
\vspace{2ex}
\hrule
}



%
% No preamble changes needed after this line
%




\newcommand{\copyrightpage}{%%
\begin{flushleft}
\publisherinfo
\vfill\productioninfo
\vfill
\cataloginfo
\end{flushleft}}

\newcommand{\tocpage}{%%
\setlength{\parskip}{0ex}
\setlength{\cftpartnumwidth}{5em}
\setcounter{page}{5}
\tableofcontents*
}

\newcommand{\statutetablepage}{%%
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of statutes}
\printindex[sdx] % table of statutes
}

\newcommand{\casetablepage}{%
\onecolindextrue
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of cases}
\printindex[cdx]% table of cases
\onecolindexfalse
}

\newcommand{\makefrontmatter}{%%
\frontmatter\pagestyle{empty}
\shorttitlepage
\cleardoublepage
\longtitlepage
\copyrightpage
\cleartorecto
\pagestyle{plain}
\tocpage
%\include{preface}
\statutetablepage
\casetablepage
\setlength{\parskip}{1ex}

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:09:25 +1100
Typhoon typh...@aanet.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
 Louis A. Turk l...@dayspringpublisher.com wrote:
 
  Hi fellow lyx users,
  
  I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
  Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
  matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
  folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the
  front matter and main body.
  
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
  documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
  them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere
  else.
  
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
  
  Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
  
  Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
  how to format the front matter when using Memoir?
 
 Hi Louis,
 There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
 thought, but mine is to completely handcraft the front pages of a
 book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used
 Koma).
 
 I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
 the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
 surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 
 
 The adjustable \newcommands are all at the top. (you
 will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use
 with LyX.
 
 As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
 carefully if you decide to use it.
 
 Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
 pure LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
 of LyX, so things might have improved.
 
 Cheers,
 Alan

Ooops. I hadn't looked at it carefully. It is embedded in a test
document that will compile under pdflatex. Just compile it, have a
look. Maybe it is not at all what you are looking for or maybe it can
be fiddled.

Cheers,
Alan

 
  
  Louis
  
  
  
 
 
 -- 
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:09:25 +1100
Typhoon typh...@aanet.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
 Louis A. Turk l...@dayspringpublisher.com wrote:
 
  Hi fellow lyx users,
  
  I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
  Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
  matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
  folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the
  front matter and main body.
  
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
  documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
  them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere
  else.
  
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
  
  Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
  
  Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
  how to format the front matter when using Memoir?
 
 Hi Louis,
 There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
 thought, but mine is to completely handcraft the front pages of a
 book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used
 Koma).
 
 I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
 the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
 surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 
 
 The adjustable \newcommands are all at the top. (you
 will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use
 with LyX.
 
 As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
 carefully if you decide to use it.
 
 Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
 pure LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
 of LyX, so things might have improved.
 

Ooops again.

And it is probably better if you change the documentcall option to b5
paper.

Alan


 Cheers,
 Alan
 
  
  Louis
  
  
  
 
 
 -- 
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
Louis A. Turk l...@dayspringpublisher.com wrote:

 Hi fellow lyx users,
 
 I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
 Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
 matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
 folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the front
 matter and main body.
 
 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
 documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
 them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere else.
 
 http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
 http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
 
 Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
 
 Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
 how to format the front matter when using Memoir?

Hi Louis,
There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
thought, but mine is to completely handcraft the front pages of a
book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used Koma).

I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 

The adjustable \newcommands are all at the top. (you
will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use with
LyX.

As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
carefully if you decide to use it.

Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
pure LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
of LyX, so things might have improved.

Cheers,
Alan

 
 Louis
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206


\documentclass[a4paper]{memoir}
%%
%%
%%
%% this template builds the frontmatter of a book
%%
%% It should work with any class, but was intended
%% to be used with the memoir class.
%%
%%
%%




%
% Define book details in the following
%



\newcommand{\booktitle}{Test Front Matter}
\newcommand{\surname}{Tyree}
\newcommand{\middlename}{L}
\newcommand{\firstname}{Alan}
\newcommand{\isbn}{1234567890}

\title{Test front matter}

\author{Alan L Tyree}

\date{\today}

\newcommand{\publisherinfo}{%%
Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd\\
Katoomba, NSW Australia\\
\copyright 2007 Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.
}

\newcommand{\productioninfo}{%%
This book was produced using Open Source software. The Emacs
text editor was used for writing and editing. \TeX/\LaTeX\ provided
typesetting and layout. All work was done on a Debian GNU/Linux
system. My sincere thanks to all who work in the Open Source movement.
}


\newcommand{\shorttitlepage}[1][\booktitle]%%
{\vspace*{5cm}\begin{center} \Huge%%
  \textbf{#1}\end{center}}

\newcommand{\longtitlepage}{\begin{flushright}\rule{15cm}{.07cm}\\\HUGE%%
\bfseries \booktitle \end{flushright}\vskip 0.5em%%
\begin{flushright}\LARGE%%
\firstname\ \middlename\ \surname%%
\\\rule{15cm}{.07cm} \end{flushright}%%
\normalsize%%
\vfill%%
\begin{center}%%
\vspace{2ex}%%
\textsc{Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd\\Sydney 2007}%%
\end{center}%%
\newpage%%
}


\newcommand{\cataloginfo}{%%
National Library of Australia Cataloguing-in-Publication entry
\vspace{2ex}
\hrule
\vspace{2ex}
\surname, \firstname\ \middlename\\
\thetitle\\
\vspace{2ex}
Bibliography\\
Includes index\\
ISBN: \isbn
\vspace{2ex}
\hrule
}



%
% No preamble changes needed after this line
%




\newcommand{\copyrightpage}{%%
\begin{flushleft}
\publisherinfo
\vfill\productioninfo
\vfill
\cataloginfo
\end{flushleft}}

\newcommand{\tocpage}{%%
\setlength{\parskip}{0ex}
\setlength{\cftpartnumwidth}{5em}
\setcounter{page}{5}
\tableofcontents*
}

\newcommand{\statutetablepage}{%%
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of statutes}
\printindex[sdx] % table of statutes
}

\newcommand{\casetablepage}{%
\onecolindextrue
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of cases}
\printindex[cdx]% table of cases
\onecolindexfalse
}

\newcommand{\makefrontmatter}{%%
\frontmatter\pagestyle{empty}
\shorttitlepage
\cleardoublepage
\longtitlepage
\copyrightpage
\cleartorecto
\pagestyle{plain}
\tocpage
%\include{preface}
\statutetablepage
\casetablepage
\setlength{\parskip}{1ex}

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:09:25 +1100
Typhoon typh...@aanet.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
 Louis A. Turk l...@dayspringpublisher.com wrote:
 
  Hi fellow lyx users,
  
  I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
  Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
  matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
  folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the
  front matter and main body.
  
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
  documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
  them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere
  else.
  
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
  
  Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
  
  Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
  how to format the front matter when using Memoir?
 
 Hi Louis,
 There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
 thought, but mine is to completely handcraft the front pages of a
 book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used
 Koma).
 
 I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
 the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
 surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 
 
 The adjustable \newcommands are all at the top. (you
 will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use
 with LyX.
 
 As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
 carefully if you decide to use it.
 
 Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
 pure LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
 of LyX, so things might have improved.
 
 Cheers,
 Alan

Ooops. I hadn't looked at it carefully. It is embedded in a test
document that will compile under pdflatex. Just compile it, have a
look. Maybe it is not at all what you are looking for or maybe it can
be fiddled.

Cheers,
Alan

 
  
  Louis
  
  
  
 
 
 -- 
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:09:25 +1100
Typhoon typh...@aanet.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
 Louis A. Turk l...@dayspringpublisher.com wrote:
 
  Hi fellow lyx users,
  
  I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
  Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
  matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
  folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the
  front matter and main body.
  
  http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
  documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
  them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere
  else.
  
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
  http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
  
  Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
  
  Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
  how to format the front matter when using Memoir?
 
 Hi Louis,
 There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
 thought, but mine is to completely handcraft the front pages of a
 book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used
 Koma).
 
 I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
 the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
 surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 
 
 The adjustable \newcommands are all at the top. (you
 will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use
 with LyX.
 
 As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
 carefully if you decide to use it.
 
 Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
 pure LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
 of LyX, so things might have improved.
 

Ooops again.

And it is probably better if you change the documentcall option to b5
paper.

Alan


 Cheers,
 Alan
 
  
  Louis
  
  
  
 
 
 -- 
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206
 
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
"Louis A. Turk"  wrote:

> Hi fellow lyx users,
> 
> I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
> Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
> matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
> folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the front
> matter and main body.
> 
> http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
> documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
> them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere else.
> 
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
> 
> Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
> 
> Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
> how to format the front matter when using Memoir?

Hi Louis,
There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
thought, but mine is to completely "handcraft" the front pages of a
book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used Koma).

I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 

The "adjustable" \newcommands are all at the top. (you
will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use with
LyX.

As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
carefully if you decide to use it.

Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
"pure" LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
of LyX, so things might have improved.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> Louis
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206


\documentclass[a4paper]{memoir}
%%
%%
%%
%% this template builds the frontmatter of a book
%%
%% It should work with any class, but was intended
%% to be used with the memoir class.
%%
%%
%%




%
% Define book details in the following
%



\newcommand{\booktitle}{Test Front Matter}
\newcommand{\surname}{Tyree}
\newcommand{\middlename}{L}
\newcommand{\firstname}{Alan}
\newcommand{\isbn}{1234567890}

\title{Test front matter}

\author{Alan L Tyree}

\date{\today}

\newcommand{\publisherinfo}{%%
Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd\\
Katoomba, NSW Australia\\
\copyright 2007 Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd. All rights reserved.
}

\newcommand{\productioninfo}{%%
This book was produced using Open Source software. The Emacs
text editor was used for writing and editing. \TeX/\LaTeX\ provided
typesetting and layout. All work was done on a Debian GNU/Linux
system. My sincere thanks to all who work in the Open Source movement.
}


\newcommand{\shorttitlepage}[1][\booktitle]%%
{\vspace*{5cm}\begin{center} \Huge%%
  \textbf{#1}\end{center}}

\newcommand{\longtitlepage}{\begin{flushright}\rule{15cm}{.07cm}\\\HUGE%%
\bfseries \booktitle \end{flushright}\vskip 0.5em%%
\begin{flushright}\LARGE%%
\firstname\ \middlename\ \surname%%
\\\rule{15cm}{.07cm} \end{flushright}%%
\normalsize%%
\vfill%%
\begin{center}%%
\vspace{2ex}%%
\textsc{Sage Tutorial Systems Pty Ltd\\Sydney 2007}%%
\end{center}%%
\newpage%%
}


\newcommand{\cataloginfo}{%%
National Library of Australia Cataloguing-in-Publication entry
\vspace{2ex}
\hrule
\vspace{2ex}
\surname, \firstname\ \middlename\\
\thetitle\\
\vspace{2ex}
Bibliography\\
Includes index\\
ISBN: \isbn
\vspace{2ex}
\hrule
}



%
% No preamble changes needed after this line
%




\newcommand{\copyrightpage}{%%
\begin{flushleft}
\publisherinfo
\vfill\productioninfo
\vfill
\cataloginfo
\end{flushleft}}

\newcommand{\tocpage}{%%
\setlength{\parskip}{0ex}
\setlength{\cftpartnumwidth}{5em}
\setcounter{page}{5}
\tableofcontents*
}

\newcommand{\statutetablepage}{%%
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of statutes}
\printindex[sdx] % table of statutes
}

\newcommand{\casetablepage}{%
\onecolindextrue
\renewcommand{\indexname}{Table of cases}
\printindex[cdx]% table of cases
\onecolindexfalse
}

\newcommand{\makefrontmatter}{%%
\frontmatter\pagestyle{empty}
\shorttitlepage
\cleardoublepage
\longtitlepage
\copyrightpage
\cleartorecto
\pagestyle{plain}
\tocpage
%\include{preface}
\statutetablepage
\casetablepage

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:09:25 +1100
Typhoon <typh...@aanet.com.au> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
> "Louis A. Turk" <l...@dayspringpublisher.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi fellow lyx users,
> > 
> > I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
> > Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
> > matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
> > folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the
> > front matter and main body.
> > 
> > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
> > documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
> > them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere
> > else.
> > 
> > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
> > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
> > 
> > Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
> > 
> > Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
> > how to format the front matter when using Memoir?
> 
> Hi Louis,
> There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
> thought, but mine is to completely "handcraft" the front pages of a
> book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used
> Koma).
> 
> I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
> the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
> surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 
> 
> The "adjustable" \newcommands are all at the top. (you
> will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use
> with LyX.
> 
> As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
> carefully if you decide to use it.
> 
> Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
> "pure" LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
> of LyX, so things might have improved.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alan

Ooops. I hadn't looked at it carefully. It is embedded in a test
document that will compile under pdflatex. Just compile it, have a
look. Maybe it is not at all what you are looking for or maybe it can
be fiddled.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> > 
> > Louis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
> Tel:  04 2748 6206
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: memoir-titlepages.lyx

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:09:25 +1100
Typhoon <typh...@aanet.com.au> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:14:27 +0800
> "Louis A. Turk" <l...@dayspringpublisher.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi fellow lyx users,
> > 
> > I have the body of a book formatted beautifully with lyx using the
> > Memoir Class, but I'm having many problems formatting the front
> > matter. The first page is blank (is this normal?), the even numbered
> > folios are missing, and there is one too many pages between the
> > front matter and main body.
> > 
> > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UsingMemoirInLyX links to the following two
> > documents that are supposed to help, but for some reason I can't get
> > them to download. And I haven't been able to find them anywhere
> > else.
> > 
> > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.lyx
> > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0303098/public/lyx/memoir-titlepages.pdf
> > 
> > Does anyone know of a different source for these documents?
> > 
> > Are there other sample documents or instructions available that show
> > how to format the front matter when using Memoir?
> 
> Hi Louis,
> There are discussions in the archives about this. Two schools of
> thought, but mine is to completely "handcraft" the front pages of a
> book whether using the Memoir class or the book class (never used
> Koma).
> 
> I'm attaching a template that I have worked on. It's not perfect, but
> the intention is that you replace a few variables in the front (like
> surname, etc) and it should build you a fairly nice frontmatter. 
> 
> The "adjustable" \newcommands are all at the top. (you
> will need to cut the \documentclass definition from the top for use
> with LyX.
> 
> As I say, it isn't completely finished, so you will want to check
> carefully if you decide to use it.
> 
> Again, there are two schools of though on this, and I haven't used a
> "pure" LyX approach to building the frontmatter in any recent version
> of LyX, so things might have improved.
> 

Ooops again.

And it is probably better if you change the documentcall option to b5
paper.

Alan


> Cheers,
> Alan
> 
> > 
> > Louis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
> Tel:  04 2748 6206
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0500
William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:

 On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  20:19,  Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:
  I am using Ubuntu(Ubuntu 8.10 and LyX 1.6.5) and I can export to
  OpenDocument easily  (from FileExportOpenDocument) and it creates
  *,odt.
  
 
 I apologize but I'm getting confused here. I have no export to
 OpenDocument option in *File-Export* (using lyx 1.6.5 with gentoo
 linux).
 
 Is there some package I need to install that will
 add this option to my Lyx menu? I do have export to rtf and html ...
 but no OpenDocument. I agree this would be very useful.

Install the package tex4ht and then use the script oolatex. I don't
know about other systems, but oolatex is not on the excecution path of
Debian - you need to use the full path or put in a symbolic link
somewhere on your execution path.

The other problem is that there is (was?) a bug in tex4ht that requires
you to use the actual Sun Java JRE. The substitute that comes with most
Linux distributions leaves an empty .odt document.

I have converted quite large documents using this package: 600+ page
books with multiple indexes and a zillion cross-references.

HTH,
Alan

 
 cheers,
 -- 
 William Seager
 University of Toronto Scarborough
 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

SNIP

tex4ht is availablel for Windows. I have no idea how well it works or
what it takes to install it. One set of instructions are here:

http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn-mswin.html

As Vincent said, installation of some of these programs is not the
responsibility of LyX developers.

Alan

   
 
 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0500
William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:

 On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  20:19,  Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:
  I am using Ubuntu(Ubuntu 8.10 and LyX 1.6.5) and I can export to
  OpenDocument easily  (from FileExportOpenDocument) and it creates
  *,odt.
  
 
 I apologize but I'm getting confused here. I have no export to
 OpenDocument option in *File-Export* (using lyx 1.6.5 with gentoo
 linux).
 
 Is there some package I need to install that will
 add this option to my Lyx menu? I do have export to rtf and html ...
 but no OpenDocument. I agree this would be very useful.

I just checked the installation on a Ubuntu Koala Karmic machine:
oolatex is found at /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex which is not on the
execution path.

The easiest solution is to make a symbolic link:

a...@windy:~/ sudo ln
-s /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex /usr/local/bin/oolatex

(all on one line - Sylpheed seems to insist on wrapping).


 
 cheers,
 -- 
 William Seager
 University of Toronto Scarborough
 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
 

Conversion to odt - Summary

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:39:41 -0500
William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:

 On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  21:09,  0 wrote:
  Switching to Gentoo is not a solution for me. Thank you for warning
  me against it. As you can see from previous replies to my original
  request, this is a problem of MikTeX external tools and somebody
  said that this list can't do anything with this problem...
  
 
 I wasn't suggesting you switch to gentoo !! :) Please do stay away.
 
 And the option to save as OpenDocument was from somebody
 running linux (ubuntu). So my confusion is growing.

I'll summarise:

1. tex4ht is available for both Linux and Windows: see the web site at 
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/.

2. For Linux, it should be installable with your package manager.

3. Windows, follow the instructions at
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn-mswin.html

4. Conversion to odt requires a Java installation. This should be the
Sun version of the jre.

5. Conversion is easiest with the pre-defined oolatex script. On at
least some Debian based Linux machines, this is not on the execution
path. It must be located and referenced by its full path name.

6. Installation on Windows appears to me to be harder. I always advise
computer newcomers to stick with Linux until they are comfortable
enough to try the more difficult system.

HTH,
Alan



 -- 
 William Seager
 University of Toronto Scarborough
 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0500
William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:

 On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  20:19,  Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:
  I am using Ubuntu(Ubuntu 8.10 and LyX 1.6.5) and I can export to
  OpenDocument easily  (from FileExportOpenDocument) and it creates
  *,odt.
  
 
 I apologize but I'm getting confused here. I have no export to
 OpenDocument option in *File-Export* (using lyx 1.6.5 with gentoo
 linux).
 
 Is there some package I need to install that will
 add this option to my Lyx menu? I do have export to rtf and html ...
 but no OpenDocument. I agree this would be very useful.

Install the package tex4ht and then use the script oolatex. I don't
know about other systems, but oolatex is not on the excecution path of
Debian - you need to use the full path or put in a symbolic link
somewhere on your execution path.

The other problem is that there is (was?) a bug in tex4ht that requires
you to use the actual Sun Java JRE. The substitute that comes with most
Linux distributions leaves an empty .odt document.

I have converted quite large documents using this package: 600+ page
books with multiple indexes and a zillion cross-references.

HTH,
Alan

 
 cheers,
 -- 
 William Seager
 University of Toronto Scarborough
 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

SNIP

tex4ht is availablel for Windows. I have no idea how well it works or
what it takes to install it. One set of instructions are here:

http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn-mswin.html

As Vincent said, installation of some of these programs is not the
responsibility of LyX developers.

Alan

   
 
 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0500
William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:

 On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  20:19,  Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:
  I am using Ubuntu(Ubuntu 8.10 and LyX 1.6.5) and I can export to
  OpenDocument easily  (from FileExportOpenDocument) and it creates
  *,odt.
  
 
 I apologize but I'm getting confused here. I have no export to
 OpenDocument option in *File-Export* (using lyx 1.6.5 with gentoo
 linux).
 
 Is there some package I need to install that will
 add this option to my Lyx menu? I do have export to rtf and html ...
 but no OpenDocument. I agree this would be very useful.

I just checked the installation on a Ubuntu Koala Karmic machine:
oolatex is found at /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex which is not on the
execution path.

The easiest solution is to make a symbolic link:

a...@windy:~/ sudo ln
-s /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex /usr/local/bin/oolatex

(all on one line - Sylpheed seems to insist on wrapping).


 
 cheers,
 -- 
 William Seager
 University of Toronto Scarborough
 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
 

Conversion to odt - Summary

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:39:41 -0500
William Seager sea...@utsc.utoronto.ca wrote:

 On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  21:09,  0 wrote:
  Switching to Gentoo is not a solution for me. Thank you for warning
  me against it. As you can see from previous replies to my original
  request, this is a problem of MikTeX external tools and somebody
  said that this list can't do anything with this problem...
  
 
 I wasn't suggesting you switch to gentoo !! :) Please do stay away.
 
 And the option to save as OpenDocument was from somebody
 running linux (ubuntu). So my confusion is growing.

I'll summarise:

1. tex4ht is available for both Linux and Windows: see the web site at 
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/.

2. For Linux, it should be installable with your package manager.

3. Windows, follow the instructions at
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn-mswin.html

4. Conversion to odt requires a Java installation. This should be the
Sun version of the jre.

5. Conversion is easiest with the pre-defined oolatex script. On at
least some Debian based Linux machines, this is not on the execution
path. It must be located and referenced by its full path name.

6. Installation on Windows appears to me to be harder. I always advise
computer newcomers to stick with Linux until they are comfortable
enough to try the more difficult system.

HTH,
Alan



 -- 
 William Seager
 University of Toronto Scarborough
 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0500
William Seager  wrote:

> On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  20:19,  Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:
> > I am using Ubuntu(Ubuntu 8.10 and LyX 1.6.5) and I can export to
> > OpenDocument easily  (from File>Export>OpenDocument) and it creates
> > *,odt.
> > 
> 
> I apologize but I'm getting confused here. I have no export to
> OpenDocument option in *File-Export* (using lyx 1.6.5 with gentoo
> linux).
> 
> Is there some package I need to install that will
> add this option to my Lyx menu? I do have export to rtf and html ...
> but no OpenDocument. I agree this would be very useful.

Install the package tex4ht and then use the script oolatex. I don't
know about other systems, but oolatex is not on the excecution path of
Debian - you need to use the full path or put in a symbolic link
somewhere on your execution path.

The other problem is that there is (was?) a bug in tex4ht that requires
you to use the actual Sun Java JRE. The substitute that comes with most
Linux distributions leaves an empty .odt document.

I have converted quite large documents using this package: 600+ page
books with multiple indexes and a zillion cross-references.

HTH,
Alan

> 
> cheers,
> -- 
> William Seager
> University of Toronto Scarborough
> www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
> 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

tex4ht is availablel for Windows. I have no idea how well it works or
what it takes to install it. One set of instructions are here:

http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn-mswin.html

As Vincent said, installation of some of these programs is not the
responsibility of LyX developers.

Alan

>   
> 
> 

Re: LyX is a comfortable formula editor. a VERY comfortable one. Math inserts just on the fly of thoughts... But I have to uninstall LyX sorry unfortunately I have no other choice

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:51:18 -0500
William Seager  wrote:

> On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  20:19,  Waluyo Adi Siswanto wrote:
> > I am using Ubuntu(Ubuntu 8.10 and LyX 1.6.5) and I can export to
> > OpenDocument easily  (from File>Export>OpenDocument) and it creates
> > *,odt.
> > 
> 
> I apologize but I'm getting confused here. I have no export to
> OpenDocument option in *File-Export* (using lyx 1.6.5 with gentoo
> linux).
> 
> Is there some package I need to install that will
> add this option to my Lyx menu? I do have export to rtf and html ...
> but no OpenDocument. I agree this would be very useful.

I just checked the installation on a Ubuntu Koala Karmic machine:
oolatex is found at /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex which is not on the
execution path.

The easiest solution is to make a symbolic link:

a...@windy:~/ sudo ln
-s /usr/share/tex4ht/oolatex /usr/local/bin/oolatex

(all on one line - Sylpheed seems to insist on wrapping).


> 
> cheers,
> -- 
> William Seager
> University of Toronto Scarborough
> www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
> 

Conversion to odt - Summary

[Typhoon]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:39:41 -0500
William Seager  wrote:

> On  Tuesday 02 February 2010  at  21:09,  0 wrote:
> > Switching to Gentoo is not a solution for me. Thank you for warning
> > me against it. As you can see from previous replies to my original
> > request, this is a problem of MikTeX "external tools" and somebody
> > said that this list can't do anything with this problem...
> > 
> 
> I wasn't suggesting you switch to gentoo !! :) Please do stay away.
> 
> And the option to save as OpenDocument was from somebody
> running linux (ubuntu). So my confusion is growing.

I'll summarise:

1. tex4ht is available for both Linux and Windows: see the web site at 
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/.

2. For Linux, it should be installable with your package manager.

3. Windows, follow the instructions at
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn-mswin.html

4. Conversion to odt requires a Java installation. This should be the
Sun version of the jre.

5. Conversion is easiest with the pre-defined oolatex script. On at
least some Debian based Linux machines, this is not on the execution
path. It must be located and referenced by its full path name.

6. Installation on Windows appears to me to be harder. I always advise
computer newcomers to stick with Linux until they are comfortable
enough to try the more difficult system.

HTH,
Alan



> -- 
> William Seager
> University of Toronto Scarborough
> www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~seager
> 

Re: Multiple files for book

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:04:20 +1100
Stephen George steve_...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 
 Hi,
 
 I'm a new comer to Lyx, and reading some of the tute and skim reading 
 topics of interest the rest.
 
 I'm still left with a question. (hope I didn't miss it)
 
 If creating a book with a couple hundred pages, do I put it all in
 one big lyx file, or do I split it across multiple files (say one
 file per chapter), and somehow pull each chapter into book with some
 sort of include command?
 
 I know other programs would suggest the multiple document way so you 
 don't have to scroll around a single massive file looking for the
 area you want to work on, however the navigator in Lyx would seem to
 mitigate that effect.
 
 I just want to understand the Lyx way of structuring a large book.
 
 I'm guessing if Lyx does support  files for each chapter, then the 
 navigator would not 'span' the multiple files allowing jumping from 
 chapter to chapter?
 
 Also the book will have a large number of images, do you usually put 
 them all in one directory or put them in some sort of hierarchical 
 directory structure.
 
 Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Steve

Hello Steve,
As others have already said, it is really a matter of personal
preference. I have a 600+ legal texbook with lots of indexing and cross
references which I treat as a single file. On the other hand, I have
done smaller books with multiple files. In my view, there isn't a lot
to choose between the two.

I have always kept the images in a single file, but only one of my
books contains much in the way of images so I'm not much of an expert.

Whichever way you do it, you will love to write with LyX!

Cheers,
Alan

 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Multiple files for book

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:04:20 +1100
Stephen George steve_...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 
 Hi,
 
 I'm a new comer to Lyx, and reading some of the tute and skim reading 
 topics of interest the rest.
 
 I'm still left with a question. (hope I didn't miss it)
 
 If creating a book with a couple hundred pages, do I put it all in
 one big lyx file, or do I split it across multiple files (say one
 file per chapter), and somehow pull each chapter into book with some
 sort of include command?
 
 I know other programs would suggest the multiple document way so you 
 don't have to scroll around a single massive file looking for the
 area you want to work on, however the navigator in Lyx would seem to
 mitigate that effect.
 
 I just want to understand the Lyx way of structuring a large book.
 
 I'm guessing if Lyx does support  files for each chapter, then the 
 navigator would not 'span' the multiple files allowing jumping from 
 chapter to chapter?
 
 Also the book will have a large number of images, do you usually put 
 them all in one directory or put them in some sort of hierarchical 
 directory structure.
 
 Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 Steve

Hello Steve,
As others have already said, it is really a matter of personal
preference. I have a 600+ legal texbook with lots of indexing and cross
references which I treat as a single file. On the other hand, I have
done smaller books with multiple files. In my view, there isn't a lot
to choose between the two.

I have always kept the images in a single file, but only one of my
books contains much in the way of images so I'm not much of an expert.

Whichever way you do it, you will love to write with LyX!

Cheers,
Alan

 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Multiple files for book

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:04:20 +1100
Stephen George  wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a new comer to Lyx, and reading some of the tute and skim reading 
> topics of interest the rest.
> 
> I'm still left with a question. (hope I didn't miss it)
> 
> If creating a book with a couple hundred pages, do I put it all in
> one big lyx file, or do I split it across multiple files (say one
> file per chapter), and somehow pull each chapter into book with some
> sort of include command?
> 
> I know other programs would suggest the multiple document way so you 
> don't have to scroll around a single massive file looking for the
> area you want to work on, however the navigator in Lyx would seem to
> mitigate that effect.
> 
> I just want to understand the Lyx way of structuring a large book.
> 
> I'm guessing if Lyx does support  files for each chapter, then the 
> navigator would not 'span' the multiple files allowing jumping from 
> chapter to chapter?
> 
> Also the book will have a large number of images, do you usually put 
> them all in one directory or put them in some sort of hierarchical 
> directory structure.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Steve

Hello Steve,
As others have already said, it is really a matter of personal
preference. I have a 600+ legal texbook with lots of indexing and cross
references which I treat as a single file. On the other hand, I have
done smaller books with multiple files. In my view, there isn't a lot
to choose between the two.

I have always kept the images in a single file, but only one of my
books contains much in the way of images so I'm not much of an expert.

Whichever way you do it, you will love to write with LyX!

Cheers,
Alan

> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:
 
  I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are
  reference lists plus.  A reference list only contains the
  references cited in the text.  Bibliographies, I believe, do this
  and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed
  in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the
  reader
 
 
 The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
 can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
 and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
 if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
 on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography
 on Descartes's version of the ontological argument.

Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).



 
 rh
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
rgheck rgh...@bobjweil.com wrote:

 On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:
 
  I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are
  reference lists plus.  A reference list only contains the
  references cited in the text.  Bibliographies, I believe, do this
  and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed
  in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the
  reader
 
 
 The term bibliography can mean a few different things. One thing it 
 can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
 and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
 if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
 on some topic, such as when I tell a student, Compile a bibliography
 on Descartes's version of the ontological argument.

Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).



 
 rh
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: LyZ: LyX plugin for Zotero

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:49:12 -0500
rgheck  wrote:

> On 12/28/2009 11:45 AM, John Kane wrote:
> >
> > I don't work with bibliographies but as I understand it they are
> > reference lists plus.  A reference list only contains the
> > references cited in the text.  Bibliographies, I believe, do this
> > and may add other relevant reading materials not directly discussed
> > in the article/book but which may be useful or interesting to the
> > reader
> >
> >
> The term "bibliography" can mean a few different things. One thing it 
> can mean is just a reference list, and that's what it means in LyX
> and LaTeX, though you can add non-cited sources to the bibliography
> if you wish. It can also mean something like a collection of sources
> on some topic, such as when I tell a student, "Compile a bibliography
> on Descartes's version of the ontological argument".

Such cruelty should be reported to the authorities :-).



> 
> rh
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: syncing lyx documents

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:09:28 -0500
Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:

 xPol wrote:
  I would like to be able to easily store and retrieve my lyx docs
  from a web server. 
  I am intrigued to know what you have devised to set up such
  facility.
  
  Thank you 
  ---P
  

It may depend on your access to the remote machine. I normally use
sshfs to mount the remote file system to a local directory. All the
remote files then appear as local.

If I am going to be working off line, I use a distributed version
control system (I use Bazaar, but others have the same functionality).
Even if I forget to do a proper update before heading off with the
laptop, the merge is usually easy. If you do a proper update first,
then it is dead simple to push back to the original.

I add my vote to *always* using a reversion control system just for the
complete record keeping. 

HTH,
Alan

  
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_synchronization ?
 
 /Paul
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: syncing lyx documents

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:09:28 -0500
Paul A. Rubin ru...@msu.edu wrote:

 xPol wrote:
  I would like to be able to easily store and retrieve my lyx docs
  from a web server. 
  I am intrigued to know what you have devised to set up such
  facility.
  
  Thank you 
  ---P
  

It may depend on your access to the remote machine. I normally use
sshfs to mount the remote file system to a local directory. All the
remote files then appear as local.

If I am going to be working off line, I use a distributed version
control system (I use Bazaar, but others have the same functionality).
Even if I forget to do a proper update before heading off with the
laptop, the merge is usually easy. If you do a proper update first,
then it is dead simple to push back to the original.

I add my vote to *always* using a reversion control system just for the
complete record keeping. 

HTH,
Alan

  
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_synchronization ?
 
 /Paul
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: syncing lyx documents

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:09:28 -0500
"Paul A. Rubin"  wrote:

> xPol wrote:
> > I would like to be able to easily store and retrieve my lyx docs
> > from a web server. 
> > I am intrigued to know what you have devised to set up such
> > facility.
> > 
> > Thank you 
> > ---P
> > 

It may depend on your access to the remote machine. I normally use
sshfs to mount the remote file system to a local directory. All the
remote files then appear as local.

If I am going to be working off line, I use a distributed version
control system (I use Bazaar, but others have the same functionality).
Even if I forget to do a proper update before heading off with the
laptop, the merge is usually easy. If you do a proper update first,
then it is dead simple to "push" back to the original.

I add my vote to *always* using a reversion control system just for the
complete record keeping. 

HTH,
Alan

> > 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_synchronization ?
> 
> /Paul
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Fun With LyX Document Converters

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:09:33 -0700
Rob Oakes rob.oa...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear LyX Users,
 
 I've spent most of today struggling with the question of, What is the
 best way to convert a LyX/LaTeX document into a Word document?
 
SNIP

 
 (As a side question, LaTeX (plain) - OpenDocument is completely
 broken on Ubuntu 9.10.  It will produce a file, but when loaded into
 OpenOffice 3.1, it's just a blank page.  Has anyone else had this
 problem?)

Not sure on Ubuntu, but on Debian Lenny there is a bug in the tex4ht
(oolatex) conversion. You MUST have the java alternative set to the Sun
version. It behaves as you describe if the java preference is set to
one of the free java libraries.

$ sudo update-alternatives --config java

HTH,
Alan

 
 Here are my settings:
 
 From format: LaTeX (plain)
 To format: DocBook
 Converter: mk4ht dblatex $$i
 Extra flag: needaux
 
 I've also experimented with leaving out the needaux, which results in
 the same problem as described above.  I'm not getting any errors.
 
 Any thoughts or ideas would be extremely appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Oakes
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Fun With LyX Document Converters

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:09:33 -0700
Rob Oakes rob.oa...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear LyX Users,
 
 I've spent most of today struggling with the question of, What is the
 best way to convert a LyX/LaTeX document into a Word document?
 
SNIP

 
 (As a side question, LaTeX (plain) - OpenDocument is completely
 broken on Ubuntu 9.10.  It will produce a file, but when loaded into
 OpenOffice 3.1, it's just a blank page.  Has anyone else had this
 problem?)

Not sure on Ubuntu, but on Debian Lenny there is a bug in the tex4ht
(oolatex) conversion. You MUST have the java alternative set to the Sun
version. It behaves as you describe if the java preference is set to
one of the free java libraries.

$ sudo update-alternatives --config java

HTH,
Alan

 
 Here are my settings:
 
 From format: LaTeX (plain)
 To format: DocBook
 Converter: mk4ht dblatex $$i
 Extra flag: needaux
 
 I've also experimented with leaving out the needaux, which results in
 the same problem as described above.  I'm not getting any errors.
 
 Any thoughts or ideas would be extremely appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Oakes
 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: Fun With LyX Document Converters

[Typhoon]

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:09:33 -0700
Rob Oakes  wrote:

> Dear LyX Users,
> 
> I've spent most of today struggling with the question of, "What is the
> best way to convert a LyX/LaTeX document into a Word document?"
> 


> 
> (As a side question, LaTeX (plain) -> OpenDocument is completely
> broken on Ubuntu 9.10.  It will produce a file, but when loaded into
> OpenOffice 3.1, it's just a blank page.  Has anyone else had this
> problem?)

Not sure on Ubuntu, but on Debian Lenny there is a bug in the tex4ht
(oolatex) conversion. You MUST have the java alternative set to the Sun
version. It behaves as you describe if the java preference is set to
one of the free java libraries.

$ sudo update-alternatives --config java

HTH,
Alan

> 
> Here are my settings:
> 
> >From format: LaTeX (plain)
> To format: DocBook
> Converter: mk4ht dblatex $$i
> Extra flag: needaux
> 
> I've also experimented with leaving out the needaux, which results in
> the same problem as described above.  I'm not getting any errors.
> 
> Any thoughts or ideas would be extremely appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Oakes
> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: How many use Linux:

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:10:06 -0400
Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nikos Alexandris wrote:
 
  Another (ubuntu-)linux user here :-)
 
 Fedora here

And I have just compiled the svn version on Debian Lenny following
Richard's instructions in earlier emails. Worked a treat - Thanks!

Alan

 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: How many use Linux:

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:10:06 -0400
Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nikos Alexandris wrote:
 
  Another (ubuntu-)linux user here :-)
 
 Fedora here

And I have just compiled the svn version on Debian Lenny following
Richard's instructions in earlier emails. Worked a treat - Thanks!

Alan

 
 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: How many use Linux:

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 19:10:06 -0400
Neal Becker  wrote:

> Nikos Alexandris wrote:
> 
> > Another (ubuntu-)linux user here :-)
> 
> Fedora here

And I have just compiled the svn version on Debian Lenny following
Richard's instructions in earlier emails. Worked a treat - Thanks!

Alan

> 
> 


-- 
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206

Re: How NOT to require chapters to start on odd pages?

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:29:45 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 My latest book has a layout based on the book document class. Even
 when I uncheck two sided document it still prints a blank even page
 if the preceding chapter ended on an odd page. I know that ordinarily
 the book class should start chapters on any page if it's not a two
 sided document.

Hi Steve,
I think you are wrong about this. According to Lamport, the default for
the book class is openright. I think you need the option openany.

Cheers,

 
 I proved it was in the layout file by converting it back to book
 document style, letting all custom styles revert to defaults, and
 recompiling, after which chapters started on odd or even, as
 determined by where the last one stopped.
 
 Obviously I could solve this by binarily commenting out the layout
 file by halves, but given the layout file is 565 lines long and I
 must reconfigure LyX after every layout change, that could take all
 day.
 
 So before I do that, I was just wondering if you all could think of
 statements that could force chapters to start on odd pages.
 
 Thanks
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 

Re: How NOT to require chapters to start on odd pages?

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:29:45 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 My latest book has a layout based on the book document class. Even
 when I uncheck two sided document it still prints a blank even page
 if the preceding chapter ended on an odd page. I know that ordinarily
 the book class should start chapters on any page if it's not a two
 sided document.

Hi Steve,
I think you are wrong about this. According to Lamport, the default for
the book class is openright. I think you need the option openany.

Cheers,

 
 I proved it was in the layout file by converting it back to book
 document style, letting all custom styles revert to defaults, and
 recompiling, after which chapters started on odd or even, as
 determined by where the last one stopped.
 
 Obviously I could solve this by binarily commenting out the layout
 file by halves, but given the layout file is 565 lines long and I
 must reconfigure LyX after every layout change, that could take all
 day.
 
 So before I do that, I was just wondering if you all could think of
 statements that could force chapters to start on odd pages.
 
 Thanks
 
 SteveT
 
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
 
 

Re: How NOT to require chapters to start on odd pages?

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:29:45 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> My latest book has a layout based on the book document class. Even
> when I uncheck "two sided document" it still prints a blank even page
> if the preceding chapter ended on an odd page. I know that ordinarily
> the book class should start chapters on any page if it's not a two
> sided document.

Hi Steve,
I think you are wrong about this. According to Lamport, the default for
the book class is "openright". I think you need the option "openany".

Cheers,

> 
> I proved it was in the layout file by converting it back to book
> document style, letting all custom styles revert to defaults, and
> recompiling, after which chapters started on odd or even, as
> determined by where the last one stopped.
> 
> Obviously I could solve this by binarily commenting out the layout
> file by halves, but given the layout file is 565 lines long and I
> must reconfigure LyX after every layout change, that could take all
> day.
> 
> So before I do that, I was just wondering if you all could think of
> statements that could force chapters to start on odd pages.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> SteveT
> 
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
> 
> 

Re: add lyx-users to message Subject?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Wed, 27 May 2009, Murray Eisenberg wrote:
 
  Would it be possible to include (automatically) something like
  [lyx-users] in the Subject of messages sent from this mailing list?
 
  It's often difficult to tell from the subject along that this is
  about lyx.
 
 Murray,
 
Do you use procmail as your LDA? If so, a recipe like this (from my
 recipe.rc file) works like a charm:
 
 :0:
 * ^to_.*lyx-us...@.*lyx\.org
 LYX
 
And that's the file to which they are appended.

The OP's email indicated that he was using Thunderbird on Windows, so
he probably doesn't use procmail. However, Thunderbird, like almost all
pop mail clients allows you to define filter rules that will direct
lyx-user emails to a special folder.

Alan

 
 Rich
 
 -- 
 Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  Integrity
 Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|
 Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517
 Fax: 503-667-8863
 

Re: add lyx-users to message Subject?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Wed, 27 May 2009, Murray Eisenberg wrote:
 
  Would it be possible to include (automatically) something like
  [lyx-users] in the Subject of messages sent from this mailing list?
 
  It's often difficult to tell from the subject along that this is
  about lyx.
 
 Murray,
 
Do you use procmail as your LDA? If so, a recipe like this (from my
 recipe.rc file) works like a charm:
 
 :0:
 * ^to_.*lyx-us...@.*lyx\.org
 LYX
 
And that's the file to which they are appended.

The OP's email indicated that he was using Thunderbird on Windows, so
he probably doesn't use procmail. However, Thunderbird, like almost all
pop mail clients allows you to define filter rules that will direct
lyx-user emails to a special folder.

Alan

 
 Rich
 
 -- 
 Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  Integrity
 Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|
 Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517
 Fax: 503-667-8863
 

Re: add "lyx-users" to message Subject?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 27 May 2009 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  wrote:

> On Wed, 27 May 2009, Murray Eisenberg wrote:
> 
> > Would it be possible to include (automatically) something like
> > [lyx-users] in the Subject of messages sent from this mailing list?
> >
> > It's often difficult to tell from the subject along that this is
> > about lyx.
> 
> Murray,
> 
>Do you use procmail as your LDA? If so, a recipe like this (from my
> recipe.rc file) works like a charm:
> 
> :0:
> * ^to_.*lyx-us...@.*lyx\.org
> LYX
> 
>And that's the file to which they are appended.

The OP's email indicated that he was using Thunderbird on Windows, so
he probably doesn't use procmail. However, Thunderbird, like almost all
pop mail clients allows you to define filter rules that will direct
lyx-user emails to a special folder.

Alan

> 
> Rich
> 
> -- 
> Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  Integrity
> Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|
> Innovation  Voice: 503-667-4517
> Fax: 503-667-8863
> 

Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Fri, 1 May 2009, Bruce Pourciau wrote:
 
  When you select a document class it provides all the typographic
  styles you need ... unless there's something specific and
  non-standard. The layout of an article is different from that of a
  report, and both are different from that of a book.
  
  Rich
 
  When Rich wrote
 
  DO NOT use the facilities of your document class for your
  frontmatter -- instead use custom styles and ERT (inserted LaTeX
  code) to fine-tune your front matter exactly how you want it.
 
  he was speaking of the front matter only -- the title page and so
  on. The main body of the work uses the standard features and styles
  of the given document class.
 
 Bruce,
 
I will accept authorship of the first quote because I wrote it.
 However, I did not write the second quote. Don't know who did. When I
 wrote my book for Springer-Verlag I used their svmono class for the
 whole thing. I did need to start the frontmatter at page 4 so they
 could insert the usual short title and other publishing stuff.

Steve Litt wrote it, but I agree with him on frontmatter, at least the
first four pages: Half title page (recto),  second page (verso, blank
or containing printing history), full title page (recto), and copyright
page (verso - containing copyright stuff, ISBN/CIP information and
usually printed in a smaller type).

Alan

 
 Rich
 
 -- 
 Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  Integrity
 Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|
 Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517
 Fax: 503-667-8863
 

Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote:

 On Fri, 1 May 2009, Bruce Pourciau wrote:
 
  When you select a document class it provides all the typographic
  styles you need ... unless there's something specific and
  non-standard. The layout of an article is different from that of a
  report, and both are different from that of a book.
  
  Rich
 
  When Rich wrote
 
  DO NOT use the facilities of your document class for your
  frontmatter -- instead use custom styles and ERT (inserted LaTeX
  code) to fine-tune your front matter exactly how you want it.
 
  he was speaking of the front matter only -- the title page and so
  on. The main body of the work uses the standard features and styles
  of the given document class.
 
 Bruce,
 
I will accept authorship of the first quote because I wrote it.
 However, I did not write the second quote. Don't know who did. When I
 wrote my book for Springer-Verlag I used their svmono class for the
 whole thing. I did need to start the frontmatter at page 4 so they
 could insert the usual short title and other publishing stuff.

Steve Litt wrote it, but I agree with him on frontmatter, at least the
first four pages: Half title page (recto),  second page (verso, blank
or containing printing history), full title page (recto), and copyright
page (verso - containing copyright stuff, ISBN/CIP information and
usually printed in a smaller type).

Alan

 
 Rich
 
 -- 
 Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  Integrity
 Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|
 Innovation http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517
 Fax: 503-667-8863
 

Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

[Typhoon]

On Fri, 1 May 2009 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT)
Rich Shepard  wrote:

> On Fri, 1 May 2009, Bruce Pourciau wrote:
> 
> >> When you select a document class it provides all the typographic
> >> styles you need ... unless there's something specific and
> >> non-standard. The layout of an article is different from that of a
> >> report, and both are different from that of a book.
> >> 
> >> Rich
> >
> > When Rich wrote
> >
> >> DO NOT use the facilities of your document class for your
> >> frontmatter -- instead use custom styles and ERT (inserted LaTeX
> >> code) to fine-tune your front matter exactly how you want it.
> >
> > he was speaking of the front matter only -- the title page and so
> > on. The main body of the work uses the standard features and styles
> > of the given document class.
> 
> Bruce,
> 
>I will accept authorship of the first quote because I wrote it.
> However, I did not write the second quote. Don't know who did. When I
> wrote my book for Springer-Verlag I used their svmono class for the
> whole thing. I did need to start the frontmatter at page 4 so they
> could insert the usual short title and other publishing stuff.

Steve Litt wrote it, but I agree with him on frontmatter, at least the
first four pages: Half title page (recto),  second page (verso, blank
or containing printing history), full title page (recto), and copyright
page (verso - containing copyright stuff, ISBN/CIP information and
usually printed in a smaller type).

Alan

> 
> Rich
> 
> -- 
> Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  Integrity
> Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|
> Innovation  Voice: 503-667-4517
> Fax: 503-667-8863
> 

Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:19:34 +0200
Thomas Løcke thomas.granv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey,
 
 I'm about to start the process of writing the 2nd edition of a fairly
 long (+150 A4 pages) internal manual. It's about a set of software
 systems and programming practices in my business. The 1st edition was
 written using OpenOffice. I remember spending a lot of time trying to
 make things look good, and when I'm reading the manual today, I'm
 constantly reminded of how hard I failed at that.  :o)
 
 So for this 2nd edition, I've been looking for some better tools, and
 this has brought me to LyX. I've installed LyX and TexLive on my
 Slackware 12.1 system, and I've tinkered some with it. It appears to
 be *exactly* what I'm looking for.
 
 But before I start writing, I'd like to ask if there are any good
 resources on using LyX for writing what is essentially a book on
 programming. I'd really like to avoid painting myself into a corner,
 like I did with OpenOffice.
 
 Any and all advice is more than welcome.

Steve Litt is your man - he has done several books that sound similar
to this.

I have done a 600 page law textbook with LyX (but the publisher
insisted on a Word file). Lots of indexing, table of statutes, table of
cases. Worked flawlessly.

I also did a (smaller format) cookbook which had lots of minipages and
images. Again, no problems at all: http://books.lulu.com/content/728996

HTH,
Alan

 
 Sincerely,
 Thomas Løcke
 

Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:19:34 +0200
Thomas Løcke thomas.granv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey,
 
 I'm about to start the process of writing the 2nd edition of a fairly
 long (+150 A4 pages) internal manual. It's about a set of software
 systems and programming practices in my business. The 1st edition was
 written using OpenOffice. I remember spending a lot of time trying to
 make things look good, and when I'm reading the manual today, I'm
 constantly reminded of how hard I failed at that.  :o)
 
 So for this 2nd edition, I've been looking for some better tools, and
 this has brought me to LyX. I've installed LyX and TexLive on my
 Slackware 12.1 system, and I've tinkered some with it. It appears to
 be *exactly* what I'm looking for.
 
 But before I start writing, I'd like to ask if there are any good
 resources on using LyX for writing what is essentially a book on
 programming. I'd really like to avoid painting myself into a corner,
 like I did with OpenOffice.
 
 Any and all advice is more than welcome.

Steve Litt is your man - he has done several books that sound similar
to this.

I have done a 600 page law textbook with LyX (but the publisher
insisted on a Word file). Lots of indexing, table of statutes, table of
cases. Worked flawlessly.

I also did a (smaller format) cookbook which had lots of minipages and
images. Again, no problems at all: http://books.lulu.com/content/728996

HTH,
Alan

 
 Sincerely,
 Thomas Løcke
 

Re: Using LyX for writing a very long manual

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:19:34 +0200
Thomas Løcke  wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I'm about to start the process of writing the 2nd edition of a fairly
> long (+150 A4 pages) internal manual. It's about a set of software
> systems and programming practices in my business. The 1st edition was
> written using OpenOffice. I remember spending a lot of time trying to
> make things "look good", and when I'm reading the manual today, I'm
> constantly reminded of how hard I failed at that.  :o)
> 
> So for this 2nd edition, I've been looking for some better tools, and
> this has brought me to LyX. I've installed LyX and TexLive on my
> Slackware 12.1 system, and I've tinkered some with it. It appears to
> be *exactly* what I'm looking for.
> 
> But before I start writing, I'd like to ask if there are any good
> resources on using LyX for writing what is essentially a book on
> programming. I'd really like to avoid painting myself into a corner,
> like I did with OpenOffice.
> 
> Any and all advice is more than welcome.

Steve Litt is your man - he has done several books that sound similar
to this.

I have done a 600 page law textbook with LyX (but the publisher
insisted on a Word file). Lots of indexing, table of statutes, table of
cases. Worked flawlessly.

I also did a (smaller format) cookbook which had lots of minipages and
images. Again, no problems at all: http://books.lulu.com/content/728996

HTH,
Alan

> 
> Sincerely,
> Thomas Løcke
> 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:38:35 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2009-04-05, Rich Shepard wrote:
 
 I'm surprised that no one seems to use the most reasonable
  solution for collaborative text: have everyone use plain text and
  only futz with formatting when you agree on a final version. It may
  not look pretty, but it's efficient.
 
 This does not work for math, references, citations and hence is not
 advisable for scientific papers.
 
 Also, the section structure might be more sensible to have early in
 the process.

The math point may be valid, but there is nothing to prevent the other
items from being done in a plain text format with some minimal markup
language. ReST (restructured text) has quite a rich set of markups that
are easy to include. ReST certainly encourages a section structure.
Even emacs outline mode will provide the section structure - used in
conjunction with Muse mode, you get a lot of the other stuff as well.

Alan

 
 (Besides this, extracting the plain text (e.g. from a PDF) and (re)
 format is always possible as a fallback solution.)
 
 Günter
 
 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:15:10 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2009-04-06, Typhoon wrote:
  On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:38:35 + (UTC)
  Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:
 
  On 2009-04-05, Rich Shepard wrote:
 
  I'm surprised that no one seems to use the most reasonable
   solution for collaborative text: have everyone use plain text 
 ...
 
  This does not work for math, references, citations and hence is not
  advisable for scientific papers.
 
  The math point may be valid, but there is nothing to prevent the
  other items from being done in a plain text format with some
  minimal markup language. ReST (restructured text) has quite a rich
  set of markups that are easy to include. ReST certainly encourages
  a section structure. Even emacs outline mode will provide the
  section structure - used in conjunction with Muse mode, you get a
  lot of the other stuff as well.
 
 I agree that reStructuredText is a good way for semantic markup and a
 candidate for a least common denominator for document format
 conversion. 
 However, it is not plain text (which the OP suggested) so that
 you still need 
 
 a) to convince all your co-authors to use this format, or
 b) good converters from other formats to rst.

That's certainly true. What I have found, though, is that Word users
can learn the LCD formats without pain because they don't LOOK like
markups. So, with little effort, you can get collaboration that at
least includes sectioning and, depending on the resistance of the
collaborators, much more.

It's not LaTeX, and I wouldn't use it in any other circumstances.
Collaboration among grownups is not much of a problem.

Alan



 
 Günter
 
 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:09:19 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 On Monday 06 April 2009 03:01:37 am Typhoon wrote:
  Even emacs outline mode will provide the section structure - used in
  conjunction with Muse mode, you get a lot of the other stuff as
  well.
 
 VimOutliner (cough cough hint hint)

Someday, Steve. I promise.

Alan

 
 SteveT
  
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 
 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:38:35 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2009-04-05, Rich Shepard wrote:
 
 I'm surprised that no one seems to use the most reasonable
  solution for collaborative text: have everyone use plain text and
  only futz with formatting when you agree on a final version. It may
  not look pretty, but it's efficient.
 
 This does not work for math, references, citations and hence is not
 advisable for scientific papers.
 
 Also, the section structure might be more sensible to have early in
 the process.

The math point may be valid, but there is nothing to prevent the other
items from being done in a plain text format with some minimal markup
language. ReST (restructured text) has quite a rich set of markups that
are easy to include. ReST certainly encourages a section structure.
Even emacs outline mode will provide the section structure - used in
conjunction with Muse mode, you get a lot of the other stuff as well.

Alan

 
 (Besides this, extracting the plain text (e.g. from a PDF) and (re)
 format is always possible as a fallback solution.)
 
 Günter
 
 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:15:10 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:

 On 2009-04-06, Typhoon wrote:
  On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:38:35 + (UTC)
  Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de wrote:
 
  On 2009-04-05, Rich Shepard wrote:
 
  I'm surprised that no one seems to use the most reasonable
   solution for collaborative text: have everyone use plain text 
 ...
 
  This does not work for math, references, citations and hence is not
  advisable for scientific papers.
 
  The math point may be valid, but there is nothing to prevent the
  other items from being done in a plain text format with some
  minimal markup language. ReST (restructured text) has quite a rich
  set of markups that are easy to include. ReST certainly encourages
  a section structure. Even emacs outline mode will provide the
  section structure - used in conjunction with Muse mode, you get a
  lot of the other stuff as well.
 
 I agree that reStructuredText is a good way for semantic markup and a
 candidate for a least common denominator for document format
 conversion. 
 However, it is not plain text (which the OP suggested) so that
 you still need 
 
 a) to convince all your co-authors to use this format, or
 b) good converters from other formats to rst.

That's certainly true. What I have found, though, is that Word users
can learn the LCD formats without pain because they don't LOOK like
markups. So, with little effort, you can get collaboration that at
least includes sectioning and, depending on the resistance of the
collaborators, much more.

It's not LaTeX, and I wouldn't use it in any other circumstances.
Collaboration among grownups is not much of a problem.

Alan



 
 Günter
 
 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:09:19 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 On Monday 06 April 2009 03:01:37 am Typhoon wrote:
  Even emacs outline mode will provide the section structure - used in
  conjunction with Muse mode, you get a lot of the other stuff as
  well.
 
 VimOutliner (cough cough hint hint)

Someday, Steve. I promise.

Alan

 
 SteveT
  
 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 
 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:38:35 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde  wrote:

> On 2009-04-05, Rich Shepard wrote:
> 
> >I'm surprised that no one seems to use the most reasonable
> > solution for collaborative text: have everyone use plain text and
> > only futz with formatting when you agree on a final version. It may
> > not look pretty, but it's efficient.
> 
> This does not work for math, references, citations and hence is not
> advisable for scientific papers.
> 
> Also, the section structure might be more sensible to have early in
> the process.

The math point may be valid, but there is nothing to prevent the other
items from being done in a plain text format with some minimal markup
language. ReST (restructured text) has quite a rich set of markups that
are easy to include. ReST certainly encourages a section structure.
Even emacs outline mode will provide the section structure - used in
conjunction with Muse mode, you get a lot of the other stuff as well.

Alan

> 
> (Besides this, extracting the plain text (e.g. from a PDF) and (re)
> format is always possible as a fallback solution.)
> 
> Günter
> 
> 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:15:10 + (UTC)
Guenter Milde <mi...@users.berlios.de> wrote:

> On 2009-04-06, Typhoon wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 06:38:35 + (UTC)
> > Guenter Milde <mi...@users.berlios.de> wrote:
> 
> >> On 2009-04-05, Rich Shepard wrote:
> 
> >> >I'm surprised that no one seems to use the most reasonable
> >> > solution for collaborative text: have everyone use plain text 
> ...
> 
> >> This does not work for math, references, citations and hence is not
> >> advisable for scientific papers.
> 
> > The math point may be valid, but there is nothing to prevent the
> > other items from being done in a plain text format with some
> > minimal markup language. ReST (restructured text) has quite a rich
> > set of markups that are easy to include. ReST certainly encourages
> > a section structure. Even emacs outline mode will provide the
> > section structure - used in conjunction with Muse mode, you get a
> > lot of the other stuff as well.
> 
> I agree that reStructuredText is a good way for semantic markup and a
> candidate for a "least common denominator" for document format
> conversion. 
> However, it is not plain text (which the OP suggested) so that
> you still need 
> 
> a) to convince all your co-authors to use this format, or
> b) good converters from other formats to rst.

That's certainly true. What I have found, though, is that Word users
can learn the LCD formats without pain because they don't LOOK like
markups. So, with little effort, you can get collaboration that at
least includes sectioning and, depending on the resistance of the
collaborators, much more.

It's not LaTeX, and I wouldn't use it in any other circumstances.
Collaboration among grownups is not much of a problem.

Alan



> 
> Günter
> 
> 

Re: LyX vs. wordprocessors

[Typhoon]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:09:19 -0400
Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote:

> On Monday 06 April 2009 03:01:37 am Typhoon wrote:
> > Even emacs outline mode will provide the section structure - used in
> > conjunction with Muse mode, you get a lot of the other stuff as
> > well.
> 
> VimOutliner (cough cough hint hint)

Someday, Steve. I promise.

Alan

> 
> SteveT
>  
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> 
> 

Re: LyX to HTML?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:16:32 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen ahostmad...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Is there any good way to convert LyX (or LaTeX perhaps 
 more to the point) to HTML? I do know LyX can export 
 to HTML, but the result is not pretty; it looks so
 last century. Also, many packages seems to be
 stripped away (such as enumitem). There is no
 options to format the HTML to look nice.
 I tried to google for LaTeX to HTML
 converters, but it seems few are actively maintained.
 Perhaps hyperlatex would be an option? There is also
 elyxer, which produces nice looking output, but has
 too many missing features. Any ideas?
 
 I want to move all my word processing from MS Word
 to LyX, but one of the things that keeps me with Word
 is that it can do fair (not great, but fair) HTML conversion.
 
I use tex4ht or hevea. I find that either one of them does a reasonable
job if you then apply a custom CSS. But my work is always plain text,
no images. I'm using Debian Lenny.



Alan

Re: LyX to HTML?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:51:04 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen ahostmad...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  tex4ht works on all platforms. It is normally accessed when you 
  view your document as HTML from LyX. 
  If this is not the case tex4ht is not installed. 
  (it is often part of the LaTeX distribution).
 
 Yes, the translation from within lyx works (htlatex is there). But I'm
 not very satisfied with the result. Maybe it's possible to customize,
 as in heava? The documentation page seems to be down.

tex4ht produces quiet a detailed CSS. I think that your customisation
could be done through that. In the latest versions, the CSS is a
separate file.

Hevea produces a somewhat less detailed CSS, but it is included inline.

tex4ht puts footnotes in separate files, which I don't like. I suppose
that behaviour can be changed, but I don't know how to do it.

Hevea only seems to work with the standard classes - at least it
doesn't know about the memoir class. Again, that can probably be fixed
- just not by me :-).

Alan
 
 
 
 
 

Re: LyX to HTML?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:16:32 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen ahostmad...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Is there any good way to convert LyX (or LaTeX perhaps 
 more to the point) to HTML? I do know LyX can export 
 to HTML, but the result is not pretty; it looks so
 last century. Also, many packages seems to be
 stripped away (such as enumitem). There is no
 options to format the HTML to look nice.
 I tried to google for LaTeX to HTML
 converters, but it seems few are actively maintained.
 Perhaps hyperlatex would be an option? There is also
 elyxer, which produces nice looking output, but has
 too many missing features. Any ideas?
 
 I want to move all my word processing from MS Word
 to LyX, but one of the things that keeps me with Word
 is that it can do fair (not great, but fair) HTML conversion.
 
I use tex4ht or hevea. I find that either one of them does a reasonable
job if you then apply a custom CSS. But my work is always plain text,
no images. I'm using Debian Lenny.



Alan

Re: LyX to HTML?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:51:04 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen ahostmad...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  tex4ht works on all platforms. It is normally accessed when you 
  view your document as HTML from LyX. 
  If this is not the case tex4ht is not installed. 
  (it is often part of the LaTeX distribution).
 
 Yes, the translation from within lyx works (htlatex is there). But I'm
 not very satisfied with the result. Maybe it's possible to customize,
 as in heava? The documentation page seems to be down.

tex4ht produces quiet a detailed CSS. I think that your customisation
could be done through that. In the latest versions, the CSS is a
separate file.

Hevea produces a somewhat less detailed CSS, but it is included inline.

tex4ht puts footnotes in separate files, which I don't like. I suppose
that behaviour can be changed, but I don't know how to do it.

Hevea only seems to work with the standard classes - at least it
doesn't know about the memoir class. Again, that can probably be fixed
- just not by me :-).

Alan
 
 
 
 
 

Re: LyX to HTML?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:16:32 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen  wrote:

> Is there any good way to convert LyX (or LaTeX perhaps 
> more to the point) to HTML? I do know LyX can export 
> to HTML, but the result is not pretty; it looks so
> last century. Also, many packages seems to be
> stripped away (such as enumitem). There is no
> options to format the HTML to look nice.
> I tried to google for LaTeX to HTML
> converters, but it seems few are actively maintained.
> Perhaps hyperlatex would be an option? There is also
> elyxer, which produces nice looking output, but has
> too many missing features. Any ideas?
> 
> I want to move all my word processing from MS Word
> to LyX, but one of the things that keeps me with Word
> is that it can do fair (not great, but fair) HTML conversion.
> 
I use tex4ht or hevea. I find that either one of them does a reasonable
job if you then apply a custom CSS. But my work is always plain text,
no images. I'm using Debian Lenny.



Alan

Re: LyX to HTML?

[Typhoon]

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:51:04 + (UTC)
Anders Host-Madsen  wrote:

> 
> > tex4ht works on all platforms. It is normally accessed when you 
> > view your document as HTML from LyX. 
> > If this is not the case tex4ht is not installed. 
> > (it is often part of the LaTeX distribution).
> 
> Yes, the translation from within lyx works (htlatex is there). But I'm
> not very satisfied with the result. Maybe it's possible to customize,
> as in heava? The documentation page seems to be down.

tex4ht produces quiet a detailed CSS. I think that your customisation
could be done through that. In the latest versions, the CSS is a
separate file.

Hevea produces a somewhat less detailed CSS, but it is included inline.

tex4ht puts footnotes in separate files, which I don't like. I suppose
that behaviour can be changed, but I don't know how to do it.

Hevea only seems to work with the standard classes - at least it
doesn't know about the memoir class. Again, that can probably be fixed
- just not by me :-).

Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Help for paper about LaTeX/LyX and the meaning of life

[Typhoon]

SNIP

This has been an interesting discussion. I agree with Stefano that it
seems to have divided the publishers from the authors - and I am
aware that this is not an entirely fair description of the two
approaches.

I was Professor of Law at the University of Sydney before my
retirement. Not exactly the Humanities :-). But maybe the academic
problems are similar.

What the academic needs most is what I call author support. Clean
planning tools like outlines, good bibliographic citing support, good
cross-referencing support and good indexing support, all wrapped up in a
package that stays well in the background. LyX is good at this,
although I personally think that the tools provided by Emacs + Auctex +
Reftex are slightly better.

Academics have not traditionally been concerned with the mechanics of
publishing, but I think that is changing and will continue to do so.
The statement that a LyX/LaTeX produced book is still substantially
inferior to a professionally produced book is now true only if you
are lucky enough to have one of the top-ranked publishers. Even the
top-ranked ones in my own area produce books that are inferior to
my LaTeX produced product (which they never see since they insist on
Word documents).

Self-published books have always been scorned by the academic world.
This has been circumvented in the past by academics who set up their
own publishing company. Not many, but I know of some outstanding and
famous examples. That was not an easy thing to do in the past, but it
is now, and I expect to see more academics doing that.

Publishing also takes on a wider meaning. Most academics would profit
from publishing material on a web site. Easy conversion to (X)HTML
should be added to the requirements of author support for academics.

All of this means that the publisher vs author views are likely to
converge, or at least each individual will find that his or her needs
will draw from both camps.

LyX is very good as a tool for such a person. We have already had
discussions about the conversion problem. It's not easy, I know, but we
do need better tools for producing *and controlling the appearance
of* .doc and .html files.

Regards,
Alan

Re: Help for paper about LaTeX/LyX and the meaning of life

[Typhoon]

SNIP

This has been an interesting discussion. I agree with Stefano that it
seems to have divided the publishers from the authors - and I am
aware that this is not an entirely fair description of the two
approaches.

I was Professor of Law at the University of Sydney before my
retirement. Not exactly the Humanities :-). But maybe the academic
problems are similar.

What the academic needs most is what I call author support. Clean
planning tools like outlines, good bibliographic citing support, good
cross-referencing support and good indexing support, all wrapped up in a
package that stays well in the background. LyX is good at this,
although I personally think that the tools provided by Emacs + Auctex +
Reftex are slightly better.

Academics have not traditionally been concerned with the mechanics of
publishing, but I think that is changing and will continue to do so.
The statement that a LyX/LaTeX produced book is still substantially
inferior to a professionally produced book is now true only if you
are lucky enough to have one of the top-ranked publishers. Even the
top-ranked ones in my own area produce books that are inferior to
my LaTeX produced product (which they never see since they insist on
Word documents).

Self-published books have always been scorned by the academic world.
This has been circumvented in the past by academics who set up their
own publishing company. Not many, but I know of some outstanding and
famous examples. That was not an easy thing to do in the past, but it
is now, and I expect to see more academics doing that.

Publishing also takes on a wider meaning. Most academics would profit
from publishing material on a web site. Easy conversion to (X)HTML
should be added to the requirements of author support for academics.

All of this means that the publisher vs author views are likely to
converge, or at least each individual will find that his or her needs
will draw from both camps.

LyX is very good as a tool for such a person. We have already had
discussions about the conversion problem. It's not easy, I know, but we
do need better tools for producing *and controlling the appearance
of* .doc and .html files.

Regards,
Alan

Re: Help for paper about LaTeX/LyX and the meaning of life

[Typhoon]

This has been an interesting discussion. I agree with Stefano that it
seems to have divided the "publishers" from the "authors" - and I am
aware that this is not an entirely fair description of the two
approaches.

I was Professor of Law at the University of Sydney before my
retirement. Not exactly the Humanities :-). But maybe the academic
problems are similar.

What the academic needs most is what I call "author support". Clean
planning tools like outlines, good bibliographic citing support, good
cross-referencing support and good indexing support, all wrapped up in a
package that stays well in the background. LyX is good at this,
although I personally think that the tools provided by Emacs + Auctex +
Reftex are slightly better.

Academics have not traditionally been concerned with the mechanics of
publishing, but I think that is changing and will continue to do so.
The statement that a LyX/LaTeX produced book is still substantially
inferior to a "professionally" produced book is now true only if you
are lucky enough to have one of the top-ranked publishers. Even the
top-ranked ones in my own area produce books that are inferior to
my LaTeX produced product (which they never see since they insist on
Word documents).

Self-published books have always been scorned by the academic world.
This has been circumvented in the past by academics who set up their
own publishing company. Not many, but I know of some outstanding and
famous examples. That was not an easy thing to do in the past, but it
is now, and I expect to see more academics doing that.

"Publishing" also takes on a wider meaning. Most academics would profit
from "publishing" material on a web site. Easy conversion to (X)HTML
should be added to the requirements of author support for academics.

All of this means that the "publisher" vs "author" views are likely to
converge, or at least each individual will find that his or her needs
will draw from both camps.

LyX is very good as a tool for such a person. We have already had
discussions about the conversion problem. It's not easy, I know, but we
do need better tools for producing *and controlling the appearance
of* .doc and .html files.

Regards,
Alan

Re: Section headers and Preface

[Typhoon]

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:51:58 +0530
Dr. Shamik Shah ss...@arcs-global.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
  
 
 I am writing an educational booklet using the book class. I use Lyx
 1.6.1 on windows. I am facing the following problems:
 
 1.   Section headings appear on alternate pages. On the verso
 pages, List of tables keeps appearing. How can I change that so
 that the appropriate section heading is displayed?

Help - Additional Features: sec 3.3 Fancy Headers and Footers

 
 2.   My document is fashioned in a two-column format. How do I
 write a Preface to appear in a single column?
 
  
 
  
 
 Shamik Shah