Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Julio Rojas]

8¬ |

drawn  upon  them by White,  payable to Clifford ;)  then those  of  the
  plaintiffs  to  the


Is this the first reference to a smiley or what? Thx Alan!

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote:

 Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch
 to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


  Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple
 switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody.

  On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still
 have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:
 http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

  Regards.

 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com


 You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't
 know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here is
 an example:

 http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html

 (To help burn up some of that excess time!)

 Cheers,
 Alan




 On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.netwrote:

 On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at
 it.
  With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

  To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
 message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information
 in the status line.

  Then use fullscreen mode.

 Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
 status line.


 On the other hand, I don't think is is

  to no good purpose
 ...

 The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
 good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
 discussions).

 ...

  But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
  Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
  be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
  that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

  Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch
 to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

 Günter




 --
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Julio Rojas]

8¬ |

drawn  upon  them by White,  payable to Clifford ;)  then those  of  the
  plaintiffs  to  the


Is this the first reference to a smiley or what? Thx Alan!

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote:

 Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch
 to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


  Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple
 switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody.

  On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still
 have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:
 http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

  Regards.

 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com


 You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't
 know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here is
 an example:

 http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html

 (To help burn up some of that excess time!)

 Cheers,
 Alan




 On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.netwrote:

 On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at
 it.
  With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

  To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
 message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information
 in the status line.

  Then use fullscreen mode.

 Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
 status line.


 On the other hand, I don't think is is

  to no good purpose
 ...

 The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
 good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
 discussions).

 ...

  But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
  Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
  be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
  that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

  Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch
 to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

 Günter




 --
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Julio Rojas]

8¬ |

drawn  upon  them by White,  payable to Clifford ;)  then those  of  the
>  plaintiffs  to  the


Is this the first reference to a smiley or what? Thx Alan!

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Alan L Tyree  wrote:

>  On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote:
>
> Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
>> implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch
>> to
>> turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
>> has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
>> The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.
>
>
>  Here, here Günther. I believe this is the "right" solution. A simple
> "switch", that I think, would appeal to everybody.
>
>  On the other hand, and to keep the "soft flaming" going on (we still
> have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:
> http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
>
>  Regards.
>
> -
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>
>
> You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't
> know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here is
> an example:
>
> http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html
>
> (To help burn up some of that excess time!)
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>
>> On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  >>> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at
>> it.
>> >>> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.
>>
>>  To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
>> message is still "visual noise". It interferes with relevant information
>> in the status line.
>>
>> > Then use fullscreen mode.
>>
>> Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
>> status line.
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, I don't think is is
>>
>> >> to no good purpose
>> ...
>>
>> The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
>> good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
>> discussions).
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
>> > Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
>> > be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
>> > that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)
>>
>>  Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
>> implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch
>> to
>> turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
>> has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
>> The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.
>>
>> Günter
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
> Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
>
>

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information
in the status line.

 Then use fullscreen mode.

Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
status line.


On the other hand, I don't think is is

 to no good purpose
...

The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
discussions).

...

 But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
 Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
 be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
 that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

Günter

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Julio Rojas]

 Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple
switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody.

On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still have
time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:
http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
  With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

 To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
 message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information
 in the status line.

  Then use fullscreen mode.

 Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
 status line.


 On the other hand, I don't think is is

  to no good purpose
 ...

 The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
 good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
 discussions).

 ...

  But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
  Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
  be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
  that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

 Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

 Günter

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alan L Tyree]

On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote:


Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to
find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden
switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a
user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple 
switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody.


On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still 
have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:

http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com


You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't 
know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here 
is an example:


http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html

(To help burn up some of that excess time!)

Cheers,
Alan




On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net 
mailto:mi...@users.sf.net wrote:


On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins
bslwann...@gmail.com mailto:bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to
look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the
manual) the
message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant
information
in the status line.

 Then use fullscreen mode.

Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...)
in the
status line.


On the other hand, I don't think is is

 to no good purpose
...

The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
discussions).

...

 But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to
switch to
 Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
 be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
 that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to
find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden
switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a
user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

Günter





--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information
in the status line.

 Then use fullscreen mode.

Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
status line.


On the other hand, I don't think is is

 to no good purpose
...

The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
discussions).

...

 But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
 Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
 be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
 that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

Günter

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Julio Rojas]

 Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple
switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody.

On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still have
time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:
http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net wrote:

 On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
  With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

 To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
 message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant information
 in the status line.

  Then use fullscreen mode.

 Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
 status line.


 On the other hand, I don't think is is

  to no good purpose
 ...

 The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
 good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
 discussions).

 ...

  But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
  Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
  be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
  that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

 Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
 implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden switch to
 turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
 has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
 The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

 Günter

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alan L Tyree]

On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote:


Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to
find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden
switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a
user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


Here, here Günther. I believe this is the right solution. A simple 
switch, that I think, would appeal to everybody.


On the other hand, and to keep the soft flaming going on (we still 
have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:

http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com mailto:jcredbe...@gmail.com


You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't 
know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here 
is an example:


http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html

(To help burn up some of that excess time!)

Cheers,
Alan




On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.sf.net 
mailto:mi...@users.sf.net wrote:


On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins
bslwann...@gmail.com mailto:bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:

 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to
look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the
manual) the
message is still visual noise. It interferes with relevant
information
in the status line.

 Then use fullscreen mode.

Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...)
in the
status line.


On the other hand, I don't think is is

 to no good purpose
...

The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
discussions).

...

 But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to
switch to
 Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
 be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
 that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to
find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a hidden
switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a
user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

Günter





--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins  wrote:

>>> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
>>> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
message is still "visual noise". It interferes with relevant information
in the status line.

> Then use fullscreen mode.

Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
status line.


On the other hand, I don't think is is

>> to no good purpose
...

The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
discussions).

...

> But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
> Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
> be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
> that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

Günter

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Julio Rojas]

>
> Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
> implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch to
> turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
> has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
> The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


Here, here Günther. I believe this is the "right" solution. A simple
"switch", that I think, would appeal to everybody.

On the other hand, and to keep the "soft flaming" going on (we still have
time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:
http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde  wrote:

> On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins 
> wrote:
>
> >>> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
> >>> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.
>
> To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the manual) the
> message is still "visual noise". It interferes with relevant information
> in the status line.
>
> > Then use fullscreen mode.
>
> Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...) in the
> status line.
>
>
> On the other hand, I don't think is is
>
> >> to no good purpose
> ...
>
> The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
> good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
> discussions).
>
> ...
>
> > But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
> > Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
> > be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
> > that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)
>
> Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to find and
> implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden" switch to
> turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a user that
> has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
> The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.
>
> Günter
>
>

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Alan L Tyree]

On 26/11/12 23:14, Julio Rojas wrote:


Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to
find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden"
switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a
user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.


Here, here Günther. I believe this is the "right" solution. A simple 
"switch", that I think, would appeal to everybody.


On the other hand, and to keep the "soft flaming" going on (we still 
have time to burn!), I refer all of you to this post:

http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

Regards.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com 


You can see examples of this (extra spaces) in old law reports. I don't 
know exactly when these were printed, but it was a long time ago. Here 
is an example:


http://www.commonlii.org/uk/cases/EngR/1765/40.html

(To help burn up some of that excess time!)

Cheers,
Alan




On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Guenter Milde > wrote:


On 2012-11-24, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins
> wrote:

>>> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to
look at it.
>>> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

To me (old time LaTeX/LyX user that has, of course, read the
manual) the
message is still "visual noise". It interferes with relevant
information
in the status line.

> Then use fullscreen mode.

Then I won't see the important messages (key-codes, lyxfuns, ...)
in the
status line.


On the other hand, I don't think is is

>> to no good purpose
...

The purpose (preventing spurious bug reports that take up our time) is
good. Maybe the means is not optimal (as it also leads to never-ending
discussions).

...

> But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to
switch to
> Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
> be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
> that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Alternatively, you might consider sponsoring a LyX developer to
find and
implement a solution that is acceptable to all. (Maybe a "hidden"
switch to
turn off the message that is described in the manual - so that a
user that
has read the manual also know how to avoid the message reappearing...)
The lyx web page will tell how to sponsor a feature.

Günter





--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:55:47 -0700, Zan said:
 
 On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:
   On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson
  d...@lehigh.edu suggested this:
  
  That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.
Great, that's settled then.
  
There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
explained previously, if there is no message, then there is
  effort on someones behalf required, when the questions roll in
  asking why someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.
  
  So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No
  effort expended and you just get on with what you're doing.
  
  Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.
  
  Be well,
  Charlie
  --
 Registered Linux User:- 329524
 ***
  
 There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
 is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau
  
 ***
  
 Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
  
 -
  Charlie, Charlie,
  Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about
  committees. You will recall that he observed that committees will
  pass multi-million dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant
  in seconds. However, a resolution concerning tea room costs will be
  argued for hours if not for days.
  
  Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go
  away!
  
  Cheers,
  Alan
  (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class,
  but likes the warning in LyX).
  
  
  -- 
  Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
  Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
  
 as a basic user who habitually taps twice...
 
 Keep the function but kill the message. _nothing_ is a fine response
 for a habitual second push of the space bar. The message is
 unnecessary and graphically distracting after the second reminder.

Geez, I swore I wouldn't get involved in this thread, but it gets
crazier and crazier as the days roll on, and maybe, just maybe, I can
help shove it back in its grave where it belongs. 

First, somebody revives this April thread, and this psycho zombie thread
comes out of the grave, consuming everybody's time.

All over a little tiny message at the bottom of the window where I would
think you wouldn't look unless you had a question about something (like
maybe hey dude, what happened to my second space?). What's the big
deal? And then there's this: What ever happened to if it works, don't
fix it? I mean really, is this worth our time arguing about it, let
alone the developers' time changing it (and then perhaps answering
newbies hey dude, what happened to my second space? questions)?

One guy said the program should be changed to remove message in the
name of WYSIWYM purity. Another guy said typists are taught to put two
spaces after a period. As a guy who learned typing, on a manual
typewriter, from a middle school typing teacher in 1963, let me
unequivocally state that it IS possible to unlearn that, either on a
global or program by program basis. A couple people want LyX to work
like their other programs. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't have all
that much trouble adapting to three hyphens between clauses in LyX, and
two when authoring HTML. I mean, if we were dumb, we'd be using MSWord,
right?

But my favorite is the guy who wants this free software program changed
to accommodate his iPad's and iPhone's iOS environment's use of double
spacing. Hey dude, isn't there an app for that? And by the way, how
many words per day do you pound out on your cell phone? Sheesh!

In summary, let's leave well enough alone and go on to things that can
materially improve LyX users' productivity.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:55:47 -0700, Zan said:
 
 On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:
   On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson
  d...@lehigh.edu suggested this:
  
  That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.
Great, that's settled then.
  
There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
explained previously, if there is no message, then there is
  effort on someones behalf required, when the questions roll in
  asking why someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.
  
  So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No
  effort expended and you just get on with what you're doing.
  
  Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.
  
  Be well,
  Charlie
  --
 Registered Linux User:- 329524
 ***
  
 There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
 is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau
  
 ***
  
 Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
  
 -
  Charlie, Charlie,
  Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about
  committees. You will recall that he observed that committees will
  pass multi-million dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant
  in seconds. However, a resolution concerning tea room costs will be
  argued for hours if not for days.
  
  Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go
  away!
  
  Cheers,
  Alan
  (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class,
  but likes the warning in LyX).
  
  
  -- 
  Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
  Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
  
 as a basic user who habitually taps twice...
 
 Keep the function but kill the message. _nothing_ is a fine response
 for a habitual second push of the space bar. The message is
 unnecessary and graphically distracting after the second reminder.

Geez, I swore I wouldn't get involved in this thread, but it gets
crazier and crazier as the days roll on, and maybe, just maybe, I can
help shove it back in its grave where it belongs. 

First, somebody revives this April thread, and this psycho zombie thread
comes out of the grave, consuming everybody's time.

All over a little tiny message at the bottom of the window where I would
think you wouldn't look unless you had a question about something (like
maybe hey dude, what happened to my second space?). What's the big
deal? And then there's this: What ever happened to if it works, don't
fix it? I mean really, is this worth our time arguing about it, let
alone the developers' time changing it (and then perhaps answering
newbies hey dude, what happened to my second space? questions)?

One guy said the program should be changed to remove message in the
name of WYSIWYM purity. Another guy said typists are taught to put two
spaces after a period. As a guy who learned typing, on a manual
typewriter, from a middle school typing teacher in 1963, let me
unequivocally state that it IS possible to unlearn that, either on a
global or program by program basis. A couple people want LyX to work
like their other programs. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't have all
that much trouble adapting to three hyphens between clauses in LyX, and
two when authoring HTML. I mean, if we were dumb, we'd be using MSWord,
right?

But my favorite is the guy who wants this free software program changed
to accommodate his iPad's and iPhone's iOS environment's use of double
spacing. Hey dude, isn't there an app for that? And by the way, how
many words per day do you pound out on your cell phone? Sheesh!

In summary, let's leave well enough alone and go on to things that can
materially improve LyX users' productivity.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 22:55:47 -0700, Zan said:
 
> On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM, "Alan L Tyree" 
> wrote:
> 
> > On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:
> >>  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 "David L. Johnson
> >> d...@lehigh.edu" suggested this:
> >> 
> >>> That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.
> >>   Great, that's settled then.
> >> 
> >>   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
> >>   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is
> >> effort on someones behalf required, when the questions roll in
> >> asking why someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.
> >> 
> >> So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No
> >> effort expended and you just get on with what you're doing.
> >> 
> >> Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.
> >> 
> >> Be well,
> >> Charlie
> >> --
> >>Registered Linux User:- 329524
> >>***
> >> 
> >>There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
> >>is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau
> >> 
> >>***
> >> 
> >>Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
> >> 
> >>-
> > Charlie, Charlie,
> > Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about
> > committees. You will recall that he observed that committees will
> > pass multi-million dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant
> > in seconds. However, a resolution concerning tea room costs will be
> > argued for hours if not for days.
> > 
> > Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go
> > away!
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Alan
> > (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class,
> > but likes the warning in LyX).
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
> > Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
> > 
> as a basic user who habitually taps twice...
> 
> Keep the function but kill the message. _nothing_ is a fine response
> for a habitual second push of the space bar. The message is
> unnecessary and graphically distracting after the second reminder.

Geez, I swore I wouldn't get involved in this thread, but it gets
crazier and crazier as the days roll on, and maybe, just maybe, I can
help shove it back in its grave where it belongs. 

First, somebody revives this April thread, and this psycho zombie thread
comes out of the grave, consuming everybody's time.

All over a little tiny message at the bottom of the window where I would
think you wouldn't look unless you had a question about something (like
maybe "hey dude, what happened to my second space?"). What's the big
deal? And then there's this: What ever happened to "if it works, don't
fix it?" I mean really, is this worth our time arguing about it, let
alone the developers' time changing it (and then perhaps answering
newbies "hey dude, what happened to my second space?" questions)?

One guy said the program should be changed to remove message in the
name of WYSIWYM purity. Another guy said typists are taught to put two
spaces after a period. As a guy who learned typing, on a manual
typewriter, from a middle school typing teacher in 1963, let me
unequivocally state that it IS possible to unlearn that, either on a
global or program by program basis. A couple people want LyX to work
like their other programs. Maybe it's just me, but I didn't have all
that much trouble adapting to three hyphens between clauses in LyX, and
two when authoring HTML. I mean, if we were dumb, we'd be using MSWord,
right?

But my favorite is the guy who wants this free software program changed
to accommodate his iPad's and iPhone's iOS environment's use of double
spacing. Hey dude, isn't there an app for that? And by the way, how
many words per day do you pound out on your cell phone? Sheesh!

In summary, let's leave well enough alone and go on to things that can
materially improve LyX users' productivity.

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
  *  http://twitter.com/stevelitt
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier ar...@cornell.edu wrote:
  I agree completely with Trevor.
 
 I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
 stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
 sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
 very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.


It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.


Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user to no good purpose
other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
imagined superiority of programmers.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
 taught to put two spaces after a full stop!

As Rob pointed out (and please do check out the reference), this makes
sense for a typewriter monospace font. It makes little sense for a
proportional font, what is usually used in a document.

Moreover, LaTeX simply ignores two adjacent (simple) spaces, the very
reason for LyX not allowing to input that. LaTeX spaces are not the
same as Word or typewriter spaces (again, see Rob's comments and check
out other references that discuss this issue), and LaTeX uses
appropriate algorithms to determine how much space should be left
between a full stop and the beginning of a new sentence. Two spaces is
the wrong way to do this, at least in the context of LaTeX.


 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

 Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user

Then use fullscreen mode.


 to no good purpose
 other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
 like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
 imagined superiority of programmers.

But now you are getting aggressive. From the top of my head this is
the one worst way to try to convince the devels of LyX---whom you
should thank for the elegant product that they provide, for free---to
implement your pet feature. Good luck with that.

But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 24/11/2012 11:17, Trevor Jenkins a écrit :

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


Typist maybe, but in France I know no dactylo that would do that.


Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user to no good purpose
other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
imagined superiority of programmers.


There are whole countries where nobody even thinks about putting double 
spaces at the end of a sentence. Could this be a sign of imagined 
superiority from your part ? ;)


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[David L. Johnson]

On 11/24/2012 12:10 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 24/11/2012 11:17, Trevor Jenkins a écrit :

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


Typist maybe, but in France I know no dactylo that would do that.


Not being from France, I was indeed taught to put two spaces after a 
full stop.  I don't see any real reason for the warning, which is more 
of a chiding, anyway.  Just ignore that second space, send it to the 
file in the TeX-correct way.  Those of us who habitually put that second 
space there (as I am doing writing this message) can continue to do so 
without changing the LyX file at all.  That is the way I treat is now, 
by simply ignoring the message.  Few if any habits will be changed with 
that message.  Putting two spaces after a full stop is a stylistic 
choice, not really an error.



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Charlie]

 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu
 suggested this:

That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.

  Great, that's settled then. 

  There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
  explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
  someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
  someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.

So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
expended and you just get on with what you're doing.

Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.

Be well,
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alan L Tyree]

On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:

  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu
  suggested this:


That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.

   Great, that's settled then.

   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
   someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
   someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.

So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
expended and you just get on with what you're doing.

Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.

Be well,
Charlie
 --
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Charlie, Charlie,
Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. 
You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million 
dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a 
resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for 
days.


Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away!

Cheers,
Alan
(Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but 
likes the warning in LyX).



--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Zan]

as a basic user who habitually taps twice...

Keep the function but kill the message. _nothing_ is a fine response for a 
habitual second push of the space bar. The message is unnecessary and 
graphically distracting after the second reminder.

On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:
  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu
  suggested this:
 
 That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.
   Great, that's settled then.
 
   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
   someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
   someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.
 
 So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
 expended and you just get on with what you're doing.
 
 Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.
 
 Be well,
 Charlie
 --
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***
 
There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau
 
***
 
Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
 
-
 Charlie, Charlie,
 Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. 
 You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million 
 dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a 
 resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for 
 days.
 
 Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away!
 
 Cheers,
 Alan
 (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but 
 likes the warning in LyX).
 
 
 -- 
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier ar...@cornell.edu wrote:
  I agree completely with Trevor.
 
 I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
 stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
 sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
 very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.


It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.


Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user to no good purpose
other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
imagined superiority of programmers.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:
 It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
 taught to put two spaces after a full stop!

As Rob pointed out (and please do check out the reference), this makes
sense for a typewriter monospace font. It makes little sense for a
proportional font, what is usually used in a document.

Moreover, LaTeX simply ignores two adjacent (simple) spaces, the very
reason for LyX not allowing to input that. LaTeX spaces are not the
same as Word or typewriter spaces (again, see Rob's comments and check
out other references that discuss this issue), and LaTeX uses
appropriate algorithms to determine how much space should be left
between a full stop and the beginning of a new sentence. Two spaces is
the wrong way to do this, at least in the context of LaTeX.


 If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
 With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

 Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user

Then use fullscreen mode.


 to no good purpose
 other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
 like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
 imagined superiority of programmers.

But now you are getting aggressive. From the top of my head this is
the one worst way to try to convince the devels of LyX---whom you
should thank for the elegant product that they provide, for free---to
implement your pet feature. Good luck with that.

But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 24/11/2012 11:17, Trevor Jenkins a écrit :

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


Typist maybe, but in France I know no dactylo that would do that.


Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user to no good purpose
other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
imagined superiority of programmers.


There are whole countries where nobody even thinks about putting double 
spaces at the end of a sentence. Could this be a sign of imagined 
superiority from your part ? ;)


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[David L. Johnson]

On 11/24/2012 12:10 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 24/11/2012 11:17, Trevor Jenkins a écrit :

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


Typist maybe, but in France I know no dactylo that would do that.


Not being from France, I was indeed taught to put two spaces after a 
full stop.  I don't see any real reason for the warning, which is more 
of a chiding, anyway.  Just ignore that second space, send it to the 
file in the TeX-correct way.  Those of us who habitually put that second 
space there (as I am doing writing this message) can continue to do so 
without changing the LyX file at all.  That is the way I treat is now, 
by simply ignoring the message.  Few if any habits will be changed with 
that message.  Putting two spaces after a full stop is a stylistic 
choice, not really an error.



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Charlie]

 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu
 suggested this:

That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.

  Great, that's settled then. 

  There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
  explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
  someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
  someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.

So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
expended and you just get on with what you're doing.

Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.

Be well,
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alan L Tyree]

On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:

  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu
  suggested this:


That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.

   Great, that's settled then.

   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
   someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
   someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.

So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
expended and you just get on with what you're doing.

Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.

Be well,
Charlie
 --
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Charlie, Charlie,
Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. 
You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million 
dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a 
resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for 
days.


Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away!

Cheers,
Alan
(Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but 
likes the warning in LyX).



--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Zan]

as a basic user who habitually taps twice...

Keep the function but kill the message. _nothing_ is a fine response for a 
habitual second push of the space bar. The message is unnecessary and 
graphically distracting after the second reminder.

On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Alan L Tyree alanty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:
  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu
  suggested this:
 
 That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.
   Great, that's settled then.
 
   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
   someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
   someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.
 
 So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
 expended and you just get on with what you're doing.
 
 Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.
 
 Be well,
 Charlie
 --
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***
 
There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau
 
***
 
Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
 
-
 Charlie, Charlie,
 Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. 
 You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million 
 dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a 
 resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for 
 days.
 
 Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away!
 
 Cheers,
 Alan
 (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but 
 likes the warning in LyX).
 
 
 -- 
 Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
 Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
 

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier  wrote:
> > I agree completely with Trevor.
> >
> I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
> stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
> sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
> very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.
>

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.
>

Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user to no good purpose
other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
imagined superiority of programmers.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Trevor Jenkins  wrote:
> It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
> taught to put two spaces after a full stop!
>
As Rob pointed out (and please do check out the reference), this makes
sense for a typewriter monospace font. It makes little sense for a
proportional font, what is usually used in a document.

Moreover, LaTeX simply ignores two adjacent (simple) spaces, the very
reason for LyX not allowing to input that. LaTeX spaces are not the
same as Word or typewriter spaces (again, see Rob's comments and check
out other references that discuss this issue), and LaTeX uses
appropriate algorithms to determine how much space should be left
between a full stop and the beginning of a new sentence. Two spaces is
the wrong way to do this, at least in the context of LaTeX.


>> If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
>> With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.
>
> Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user
>
Then use fullscreen mode.


> to no good purpose
> other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
> like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
> imagined superiority of programmers.
>
But now you are getting aggressive. From the top of my head this is
the one worst way to try to convince the devels of LyX---whom you
should thank for the elegant product that they provide, for free---to
implement your pet feature. Good luck with that.

But if this issue is such a deal breaker, then feel free to switch to
Scientific WorkPlace. It may cost you 1000$ or so, but you'll likely
be able type two spaces as you wish to. (Disclaimer: Before buying
that, check with the vendor that it indeed allows that.)

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 24/11/2012 11:17, Trevor Jenkins a écrit :

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


Typist maybe, but in France I know no "dactylo" that would do that.


Bollox! It disturbs the visual perception of the user to no good purpose
other than to be smart ass about some convention that a few people don't
like. Errors and warnings should be displayed for real problems not the
imagined superiority of programmers.


There are whole countries where nobody even thinks about putting double 
spaces at the end of a sentence. Could this be a sign of imagined 
superiority from your part ? ;)


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[David L. Johnson]

On 11/24/2012 12:10 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 24/11/2012 11:17, Trevor Jenkins a écrit :

It is natural to anyone who uses a typewriter. Typists are deliberately
taught to put two spaces after a full stop!


Typist maybe, but in France I know no "dactylo" that would do that.


Not being from France, I was indeed taught to put two spaces after a 
full stop.  I don't see any real reason for the "warning", which is more 
of a chiding, anyway.  Just ignore that second space, send it to the 
file in the TeX-correct way.  Those of us who habitually put that second 
space there (as I am doing writing this message) can continue to do so 
without changing the LyX file at all.  That is the way I treat is now, 
by simply ignoring the message.  Few if any habits will be changed with 
that message.  Putting two spaces after a full stop is a stylistic 
choice, not really an error.



--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Charlie]

 On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 "David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu"
 suggested this:

>That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.

  Great, that's settled then. 

  There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
  explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
  someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
  someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.

So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
expended and you just get on with what you're doing.

Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.

Be well,
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Alan L Tyree]

On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:

  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 "David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu"
  suggested this:


That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.

   Great, that's settled then.

   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
   someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
   someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.

So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
expended and you just get on with what you're doing.

Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.

Be well,
Charlie
 --
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Charlie, Charlie,
Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. 
You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million 
dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a 
resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for 
days.


Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away!

Cheers,
Alan
(Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but 
likes the warning in LyX).



--
Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
Tel:  04 2748 6206  sip:172...@iptel.org

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Zan]

as a basic user who habitually taps twice...

Keep the function but kill the message. _nothing_ is a fine response for a 
habitual second push of the space bar. The message is unnecessary and 
graphically distracting after the second reminder.

On Nov 24, 2012, at 5:56 PM, "Alan L Tyree"  wrote:

> On 25/11/12 13:27, Charlie wrote:
>>  On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:15:32 -0500 "David L. Johnson d...@lehigh.edu"
>>  suggested this:
>> 
>>> That is the way I treat is now, by simply ignoring the message.
>>   Great, that's settled then.
>> 
>>   There is no effort required to ignore the message. However, as
>>   explained previously, if there is no message, then there is effort on
>>   someones behalf required, when the questions roll in asking why
>>   someone can't type two spaces behind a full stop.
>> 
>> So we have the answer, leave the message as is and ignore it. No effort
>> expended and you just get on with what you're doing.
>> 
>> Nothing more need be written about the subject. Whatcha reckon.
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Charlie
>> --
>>Registered Linux User:- 329524
>>***
>> 
>>There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who
>>is striking at the root. .Henry David Thoreau
>> 
>>***
>> 
>>Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
>> 
>>-
> Charlie, Charlie,
> Your sensible suggestion ignores the Parkinson rule about committees. 
> You will recall that he observed that committees will pass multi-million 
> dollar proposals for, say, a new nuclear plant in seconds. However, a 
> resolution concerning tea room costs will be argued for hours if not for 
> days.
> 
> Here is an issue that everyone can understand. It will NEVER go away!
> 
> Cheers,
> Alan
> (Who learned to put two spaces after a full stop in typing class, but 
> likes the warning in LyX).
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan L Tyreehttp://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan
> Tel:  04 2748 6206sip:172...@iptel.org
> 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alan R. Bleier]

Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently annoying to 
me today that I searched for information about it and found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you see is what 
you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from 
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.

Alan  cardcloud.com/alanb




On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:

if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is 
absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second space 
quietly and move on. 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier ar...@cornell.edu wrote:
 I agree completely with Trevor.

I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.

If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Rob Oakes]

On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:36 +0100, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier ar...@cornell.edu wrote:
  I agree completely with Trevor.
 
 I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
 stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
 sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
 very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.

It isn't just unhelpful, it's also wrong. From a typographical,
stylistic, and grammatical point of view (see Grammar girl's take, who
also cites the Chicago Manual of Style, the AP stylebook, and MLA to
back herself up [1]).

One of the things I particularly like about LyX is that it forces me
into structure. I've invested enough time to create templates, modules,
and classes for my work. LyX makes my writing fit into those classes,
which saves me lots and lots of time. Little things, like not typing two
spaces, are a feature as far as I'm concerned.

If I need the ability to type multiple spaces, this can be created via a
special style. LyX code, for example, allows control over white space;
which means it's there when I need it.

I would much prefer that LyX default to the stylistically accepted way
of things, with other methods available via styles. Which is to say, I
like how it works now.

[1]
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/spaces-period-end-of-sentence.aspx

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[André Pönitz]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:
 On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
  if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
  absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
  space quietly and move on. 
  Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
  annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
  found this thread.
 
 I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
 see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
 http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.

So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't 
accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?

Andre'

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alex Vergara Gil]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
 absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
 space quietly and move on.
 Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
 annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
 found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.


So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't
accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?

Andre'


Oh like the bug repots  of LyX doesn't put my images where I want, etc. 
Come on guys, this is ridiculous. If some thing one should do before using 
anything is to read the manual, and there it is well written: LyX is 
WYSIWYM, so meaningless thing won't work, like two consecutive spaces 
unless you really want them and then you can just do CTRL+space, voila! two 
spaces. So I join the one who thinks meaningless messages must be ridded out 
of LyX.


+1 with Trevor

Alex 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alex Vergara Gil]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
 absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
 space quietly and move on.
 Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
 annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
 found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.


So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't
accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?

Andre'


Oh like the bug repots  of LyX doesn't put my images where I want, 
etc. Come on guys, this is ridiculous. If some thing one should do before 
using anything is to read the manual, and there it is well written: LyX 
is WYSIWYM, so meaningless thing won't work, like two consecutive spaces 
unless you really want them and then you can just do CTRL+space, voila! 
two spaces. So I join the one who thinks meaningless messages must be 
ridded out of LyX.


+1 with Trevor

Alex
A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage return 
without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as detected line 
without line break or something else. By line breaks I mean the . or : 
or ..., etc. What is the sense of a line without period?


Alex 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[André Pönitz]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:34:15PM -0500, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
 
 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:
 On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
  if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
  absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
  space quietly and move on.
  Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
  annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
  found this thread.
 
 I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
 see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
 http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.
 
 So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't
 accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?
 
 Andre'

 Oh like the bug repots  of LyX doesn't put my images where I
 want, etc. Come on guys, this is ridiculous.

Correct. It's ridiculous. Still it happens. And it eats time.

 If some thing one
 should do before using anything is to read the manual, and there it
 is well written: LyX is WYSIWYM, so meaningless thing won't work,

This is 2012. Nobody reads documentation. It has to work out of the box.
And if it doesn't, it's not the the user's fault, but the programmer's.
At least in the user's view. 

Andre'

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 21/11/12 18:53, Alex Vergara Gil a écrit :

A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage
return without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as
detected line without line break or something else. By line breaks I
mean the . or : or ..., etc. What is the sense of a line without
period?


I tend to use them in Slides, or section headings.

JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:
 Le 21/11/12 18:53, Alex Vergara Gil a écrit :

 A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage
 return without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as
 detected line without line break or something else. By line breaks I
 mean the . or : or ..., etc. What is the sense of a line without
 period?


 I tend to use them in Slides, or section headings.

.. or in letters (address, etc.).

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alan R. Bleier]

Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently annoying to 
me today that I searched for information about it and found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you see is what 
you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from 
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.

Alan  cardcloud.com/alanb




On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins bslwann...@gmail.com wrote:

if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is 
absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second space 
quietly and move on. 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier ar...@cornell.edu wrote:
 I agree completely with Trevor.

I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.

If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Rob Oakes]

On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:36 +0100, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier ar...@cornell.edu wrote:
  I agree completely with Trevor.
 
 I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
 stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
 sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
 very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.

It isn't just unhelpful, it's also wrong. From a typographical,
stylistic, and grammatical point of view (see Grammar girl's take, who
also cites the Chicago Manual of Style, the AP stylebook, and MLA to
back herself up [1]).

One of the things I particularly like about LyX is that it forces me
into structure. I've invested enough time to create templates, modules,
and classes for my work. LyX makes my writing fit into those classes,
which saves me lots and lots of time. Little things, like not typing two
spaces, are a feature as far as I'm concerned.

If I need the ability to type multiple spaces, this can be created via a
special style. LyX code, for example, allows control over white space;
which means it's there when I need it.

I would much prefer that LyX default to the stylistically accepted way
of things, with other methods available via styles. Which is to say, I
like how it works now.

[1]
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/spaces-period-end-of-sentence.aspx

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[André Pönitz]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:
 On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
  if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
  absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
  space quietly and move on. 
  Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
  annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
  found this thread.
 
 I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
 see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
 http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.

So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't 
accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?

Andre'

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alex Vergara Gil]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
 absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
 space quietly and move on.
 Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
 annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
 found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.


So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't
accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?

Andre'


Oh like the bug repots  of LyX doesn't put my images where I want, etc. 
Come on guys, this is ridiculous. If some thing one should do before using 
anything is to read the manual, and there it is well written: LyX is 
WYSIWYM, so meaningless thing won't work, like two consecutive spaces 
unless you really want them and then you can just do CTRL+space, voila! two 
spaces. So I join the one who thinks meaningless messages must be ridded out 
of LyX.


+1 with Trevor

Alex 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Alex Vergara Gil]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
 if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
 absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
 space quietly and move on.
 Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
 annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
 found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.


So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't
accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?

Andre'


Oh like the bug repots  of LyX doesn't put my images where I want, 
etc. Come on guys, this is ridiculous. If some thing one should do before 
using anything is to read the manual, and there it is well written: LyX 
is WYSIWYM, so meaningless thing won't work, like two consecutive spaces 
unless you really want them and then you can just do CTRL+space, voila! 
two spaces. So I join the one who thinks meaningless messages must be 
ridded out of LyX.


+1 with Trevor

Alex
A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage return 
without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as detected line 
without line break or something else. By line breaks I mean the . or : 
or ..., etc. What is the sense of a line without period?


Alex 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[André Pönitz]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:34:15PM -0500, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
 
 On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:
 On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
  if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
  absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
  space quietly and move on.
  Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
  annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
  found this thread.
 
 I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about what you
 see is what you mean and LyX lets you concentrate on writing (from
 http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.
 
 So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying LyX doesn't
 accept what I type ... ... ... Ah, two spaces... won't work.?
 
 Andre'

 Oh like the bug repots  of LyX doesn't put my images where I
 want, etc. Come on guys, this is ridiculous.

Correct. It's ridiculous. Still it happens. And it eats time.

 If some thing one
 should do before using anything is to read the manual, and there it
 is well written: LyX is WYSIWYM, so meaningless thing won't work,

This is 2012. Nobody reads documentation. It has to work out of the box.
And if it doesn't, it's not the the user's fault, but the programmer's.
At least in the user's view. 

Andre'

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 21/11/12 18:53, Alex Vergara Gil a écrit :

A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage
return without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as
detected line without line break or something else. By line breaks I
mean the . or : or ..., etc. What is the sense of a line without
period?


I tend to use them in Slides, or section headings.

JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.org wrote:
 Le 21/11/12 18:53, Alex Vergara Gil a écrit :

 A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage
 return without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as
 detected line without line break or something else. By line breaks I
 mean the . or : or ..., etc. What is the sense of a line without
 period?


 I tend to use them in Slides, or section headings.

.. or in letters (address, etc.).

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Alan R. Bleier]

Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently annoying to 
me today that I searched for information about it and found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about "what you see is what 
you mean" and "LyX lets you concentrate on writing" (from 
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.

Alan  cardcloud.com/alanb




On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins  wrote:

if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is 
absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second space 
quietly and move on. 

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier  wrote:
> I agree completely with Trevor.
>
I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.

If the message itself is what bothers you, then try not to look at it.
With time you'll get used to ignoring it completely.

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Rob Oakes]

On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:36 +0100, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Alan R. Bleier  wrote:
> > I agree completely with Trevor.
> >
> I completely disagree with Trevor. Hitting double space [to get a full
> stop] is as unnatural and unhelpful as it gets. This may make some
> sense for a mobile platform, but is utterly unneeded on the desktop. I
> very much hope that LyX doesn't go the way of the iThingies.

It isn't just unhelpful, it's also wrong. From a typographical,
stylistic, and grammatical point of view (see Grammar girl's take, who
also cites the Chicago Manual of Style, the AP stylebook, and MLA to
back herself up [1]).

One of the things I particularly like about LyX is that it forces me
into structure. I've invested enough time to create templates, modules,
and classes for my work. LyX makes my writing fit into those classes,
which saves me lots and lots of time. Little things, like not typing two
spaces, are a feature as far as I'm concerned.

If I need the ability to type multiple spaces, this can be created via a
special style. LyX code, for example, allows control over white space;
which means it's there when I need it.

I would much prefer that LyX default to the stylistically accepted way
of things, with other methods available via styles. Which is to say, I
like how it works now.

[1]
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/spaces-period-end-of-sentence.aspx

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[André Pönitz]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
> > if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
> > absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
> > space quietly and move on. 
> > Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
> > annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
> > found this thread.
> 
> I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about "what you
> see is what you mean" and "LyX lets you concentrate on writing" (from
> http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.

So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying "LyX doesn't 
accept what I type" ... ... ... "Ah, two spaces... won't work."?

Andre'

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Alex Vergara Gil]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
> if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
> absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
> space quietly and move on.
> Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
> annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
> found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about "what you
see is what you mean" and "LyX lets you concentrate on writing" (from
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.


So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying "LyX doesn't
accept what I type" ... ... ... "Ah, two spaces... won't work."?

Andre'


Oh like the "bug repots"  of "LyX doesn't put my images where I want", etc. 
Come on guys, this is ridiculous. If some thing one should do before using 
anything is to read the manual, and there it is well written: "LyX is 
WYSIWYM", so meaningless thing won't work, like two consecutive spaces 
unless you really want them and then you can just do CTRL+space, voila! two 
spaces. So I join the one who thinks meaningless messages must be ridded out 
of LyX.


+1 with Trevor

Alex 

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Alex Vergara Gil]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
> if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
> absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
> space quietly and move on.
> Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
> annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
> found this thread.

I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about "what you
see is what you mean" and "LyX lets you concentrate on writing" (from
http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.


So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying "LyX doesn't
accept what I type" ... ... ... "Ah, two spaces... won't work."?

Andre'


Oh like the "bug repots"  of "LyX doesn't put my images where I want", 
etc. Come on guys, this is ridiculous. If some thing one should do before 
using anything is to read the manual, and there it is well written: "LyX 
is WYSIWYM", so meaningless thing won't work, like two consecutive spaces 
unless you really want them and then you can just do CTRL+space, voila! 
two spaces. So I join the one who thinks meaningless messages must be 
ridded out of LyX.


+1 with Trevor

Alex
A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage return 
without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as "detected line 
without line break" or something else. By line breaks I mean the "." or ":" 
or "...", etc. What is the sense of a line without period?


Alex 

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[André Pönitz]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:34:15PM -0500, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:08:27PM +, Alan R. Bleier sort of wrote:
> >>On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
> >>> if the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
> >>> absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second
> >>> space quietly and move on.
> >>> Sorry I'm late joining this conversation, but it was sufficiently
> >>> annoying to me today that I searched for information about it and
> >>> found this thread.
> >>
> >>I agree completely with Trevor.  If you are serious about "what you
> >>see is what you mean" and "LyX lets you concentrate on writing" (from
> >>http://www.lyx.org/WhatIsLyX ), the message should not be displayed.
> >
> >So you volunteer to handle the bug reports saying "LyX doesn't
> >accept what I type" ... ... ... "Ah, two spaces... won't work."?
> >
> >Andre'
>
> Oh like the "bug repots"  of "LyX doesn't put my images where I
> want", etc. Come on guys, this is ridiculous.

Correct. It's ridiculous. Still it happens. And it eats time.

> If some thing one
> should do before using anything is to read the manual, and there it
> is well written: "LyX is WYSIWYM", so meaningless thing won't work,

This is 2012. Nobody reads documentation. It has to work out of the box.
And if it doesn't, it's not the the user's fault, but the programmer's.
At least in the user's view. 

Andre'

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 21/11/12 18:53, Alex Vergara Gil a écrit :

A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage
return without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as
"detected line without line break" or something else. By line breaks I
mean the "." or ":" or "...", etc. What is the sense of a line without
period?


I tend to use them in Slides, or section headings.

JMarc

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
 wrote:
> Le 21/11/12 18:53, Alex Vergara Gil a écrit :
>
>> A really useful message that doesn't appear is when you type carriage
>> return without line break or paragraph break, it shoud appear as
>> "detected line without line break" or something else. By line breaks I
>> mean the "." or ":" or "...", etc. What is the sense of a line without
>> period?
>
>
> I tend to use them in Slides, or section headings.
>
.. or in letters (address, etc.).

Liviu

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
  Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please
 read the
  tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't
 change the
  layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
  completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra
 spaces.
  With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
 
 Start ignoring it. :)


If you're an iPad or iPhone user like me it's hard to ignore such a message
because in the iOS environment hitting double space is a natural and useful
thing ... it inserts a fullstop and inter-sentence spacing so one's eye
gaze is on the screen checking that the correct thing has happened or
because one is a touch typist and that's where you look too.


 This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
 always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
 happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
 already or not.


Except that I for one and I guess Bill for his need to comment are not new
users of LyX. We don't need that sort of nanny state warning. Indeed if
the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second space
quietly and move on.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
  Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please
 read the
  tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't
 change the
  layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
  completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra
 spaces.
  With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
 
 Start ignoring it. :)


If you're an iPad or iPhone user like me it's hard to ignore such a message
because in the iOS environment hitting double space is a natural and useful
thing ... it inserts a fullstop and inter-sentence spacing so one's eye
gaze is on the screen checking that the correct thing has happened or
because one is a touch typist and that's where you look too.


 This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
 always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
 happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
 already or not.


Except that I for one and I guess Bill for his need to comment are not new
users of LyX. We don't need that sort of nanny state warning. Indeed if
the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second space
quietly and move on.

Regards, Trevor.

 Re: deemed!

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Trevor Jenkins]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote  wrote:
> > Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ... Please
> read the
> > tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't
> change the
> > layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
> > completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on "extra"
> spaces.
> > With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
> >
> Start ignoring it. :)


If you're an iPad or iPhone user like me it's hard to ignore such a message
because in the iOS environment hitting double space is a natural and useful
thing ... it inserts a fullstop and inter-sentence spacing so one's eye
gaze is on the screen checking that the correct thing has happened or
because one is a touch typist and that's where you look too.


> This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
> always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
> happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
> already or not.
>

Except that I for one and I guess Bill for his need to comment are not new
users of LyX. We don't need that sort of "nanny state" warning. Indeed if
the key sequence has no meaning in LyX then I'd argue that there is
absolutely no need for a message at all. Just have it drop the second space
quietly and move on.

Regards, Trevor.

<>< Re: deemed!

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 11/04/2012 23:11, Jens Nöckel a écrit :

Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent here: if two 
spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous message after 
pressingreturn  several times? Admittedly, it's a little different because 
LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them - but the basic reasoning 
is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the additional new lines (or white space of 
any kind) and the user may not be aware of that.


Note that LyX actually does something when pressing Return in an empty 
paragraph: it decreases environment depth, and goes to standard layout 
when depth is 0.


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Julio Rojas]

I haven't even noticed this warning until now! :D
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote:

 Le 11/04/2012 23:11, Jens Nöckel a écrit :

  Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent
 here: if two spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous
 message after pressingreturn  several times? Admittedly, it's a little
 different because LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them
 - but the basic reasoning is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the
 additional new lines (or white space of any kind) and the user may not be
 aware of that.


 Note that LyX actually does something when pressing Return in an empty
 paragraph: it decreases environment depth, and goes to standard layout when
 depth is 0.

 JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 12/04/2012 12:34, Julio Rojas a écrit :

I haven't even noticed this warning until now! :D


The urge to put a double space at the end of sentences is not a disease 
shared in all cultures :)


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ...  
Please read the
tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't  
change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the  
space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on  
extra spaces.
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know  
already!



Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
already or not.


I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time  
when I type,
putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the  
right thing

to do.


Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


The author of The Elements of Typographical Style, Robert Bringhurst,  
has this to say about putting two spaces after a period:


In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in  
typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to  
stuff extra space between sentences. Generations of twentieth  
century typists were then taught to do the same, by hitting the  
spacebar twice after every period. Your typing as well as your  
typesetting will benefit from unlearning this quaint Victorian  
habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is required  
after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.


LyX is just nudging you along the path of unlearning.

Bruce

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Maria Gouskova]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Pourciau
bruce.h.pourc...@lawrence.edu wrote:

 On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:

 Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read
 the

 tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change
 the

 layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm

 completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra
 spaces.

 With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!


 Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
 always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
 happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
 already or not.


 I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I
 type,

 putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right
 thing

 to do.


 Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


 The author of The Elements of Typographical Style, Robert Bringhurst, has
 this to say about putting two spaces after a period:

 In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in
 typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra
 space between sentences. Generations of twentieth century typists were then
 taught to do the same, by hitting the spacebar twice after every period.
 Your typing as well as your typesetting will benefit from unlearning this
 quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is
 required after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.


 LyX is just nudging you along the path of unlearning.

 Bruce

I agree with Bill Foote that the nag message is annoying, even though
I do not share the habit. I do occasionally hit space to put in two
spaces by hand (an old habit from using word processors and text
editors).

Another inconsistency: the message in response to pressing the tab
character is simply command disabled--because the manual does not
discuss alternatives to tabbing in word processors and text editors.

Turning this stuff off after the first occurrence seems good enough to
me. Some programs, like Firefox, give you the option of keeping the
warnings or never showing them again--it's not a bad practice from a
usability standpoint.

In general, it is somewhat unhelpful when the response to your
program does something annoying in response to X is Don't do X.

I'll quote Steve Jobs: Just don't hold it that way.

Maria

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 11/04/2012 23:11, Jens Nöckel a écrit :

Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent here: if two 
spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous message after 
pressingreturn  several times? Admittedly, it's a little different because 
LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them - but the basic reasoning 
is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the additional new lines (or white space of 
any kind) and the user may not be aware of that.


Note that LyX actually does something when pressing Return in an empty 
paragraph: it decreases environment depth, and goes to standard layout 
when depth is 0.


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Julio Rojas]

I haven't even noticed this warning until now! :D
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
lasgout...@lyx.orgwrote:

 Le 11/04/2012 23:11, Jens Nöckel a écrit :

  Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent
 here: if two spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous
 message after pressingreturn  several times? Admittedly, it's a little
 different because LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them
 - but the basic reasoning is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the
 additional new lines (or white space of any kind) and the user may not be
 aware of that.


 Note that LyX actually does something when pressing Return in an empty
 paragraph: it decreases environment depth, and goes to standard layout when
 depth is 0.

 JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 12/04/2012 12:34, Julio Rojas a écrit :

I haven't even noticed this warning until now! :D


The urge to put a double space at the end of sentences is not a disease 
shared in all cultures :)


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ...  
Please read the
tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't  
change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the  
space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on  
extra spaces.
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know  
already!



Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
already or not.


I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time  
when I type,
putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the  
right thing

to do.


Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


The author of The Elements of Typographical Style, Robert Bringhurst,  
has this to say about putting two spaces after a period:


In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in  
typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to  
stuff extra space between sentences. Generations of twentieth  
century typists were then taught to do the same, by hitting the  
spacebar twice after every period. Your typing as well as your  
typesetting will benefit from unlearning this quaint Victorian  
habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is required  
after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.


LyX is just nudging you along the path of unlearning.

Bruce

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Maria Gouskova]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Pourciau
bruce.h.pourc...@lawrence.edu wrote:

 On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:

 Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read
 the

 tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change
 the

 layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm

 completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra
 spaces.

 With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!


 Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
 always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
 happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
 already or not.


 I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I
 type,

 putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right
 thing

 to do.


 Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


 The author of The Elements of Typographical Style, Robert Bringhurst, has
 this to say about putting two spaces after a period:

 In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in
 typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra
 space between sentences. Generations of twentieth century typists were then
 taught to do the same, by hitting the spacebar twice after every period.
 Your typing as well as your typesetting will benefit from unlearning this
 quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is
 required after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.


 LyX is just nudging you along the path of unlearning.

 Bruce

I agree with Bill Foote that the nag message is annoying, even though
I do not share the habit. I do occasionally hit space to put in two
spaces by hand (an old habit from using word processors and text
editors).

Another inconsistency: the message in response to pressing the tab
character is simply command disabled--because the manual does not
discuss alternatives to tabbing in word processors and text editors.

Turning this stuff off after the first occurrence seems good enough to
me. Some programs, like Firefox, give you the option of keeping the
warnings or never showing them again--it's not a bad practice from a
usability standpoint.

In general, it is somewhat unhelpful when the response to your
program does something annoying in response to X is Don't do X.

I'll quote Steve Jobs: Just don't hold it that way.

Maria

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 11/04/2012 23:11, Jens Nöckel a écrit :

Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent here: if two 
spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous message after 
pressing  several times? Admittedly, it's a little different because 
LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them - but the basic reasoning 
is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the additional new lines (or white space of 
any kind) and the user may not be aware of that.


Note that LyX actually does something when pressing Return in an empty 
paragraph: it decreases environment depth, and goes to standard layout 
when depth is 0.


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Julio Rojas]

I haven't even noticed this warning until now! :D
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
wrote:

> Le 11/04/2012 23:11, Jens Nöckel a écrit :
>
>  Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent
>> here: if two spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous
>> message after pressing  several times? Admittedly, it's a little
>> different because LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them
>> - but the basic reasoning is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the
>> additional new lines (or white space of any kind) and the user may not be
>> aware of that.
>>
>
> Note that LyX actually does something when pressing Return in an empty
> paragraph: it decreases environment depth, and goes to standard layout when
> depth is 0.
>
> JMarc
>
>

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 12/04/2012 12:34, Julio Rojas a écrit :

I haven't even noticed this warning until now! :D


The urge to put a double space at the end of sentences is not a disease 
shared in all cultures :)


JMarc

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote  wrote:
Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ...  
Please read the
tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't  
change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the  
space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on  
"extra" spaces.
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know  
already!



Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
already or not.


I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time  
when I type,
putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the  
right thing

to do.


Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


The author of The Elements of Typographical Style, Robert Bringhurst,  
has this to say about putting two spaces after a period:


In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in  
typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to  
stuff extra space between sentences. Generations of twentieth  
century typists were then taught to do the same, by hitting the  
spacebar twice after every period. Your typing as well as your  
typesetting will benefit from unlearning this quaint Victorian  
habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is required  
after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.


LyX is just nudging you along the path of unlearning.

Bruce

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Maria Gouskova]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Bruce Pourciau
 wrote:
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote  wrote:
>
> Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ... Please read
> the
>
> tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change
> the
>
> layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
>
> completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on "extra"
> spaces.
>
> With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
>
>
> Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
> always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
> happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
> already or not.
>
>
> I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I
> type,
>
> putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right
> thing
>
> to do.
>
>
> Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.
>
>
> The author of The Elements of Typographical Style, Robert Bringhurst, has
> this to say about putting two spaces after a period:
>
> In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in
> typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra
> space between sentences. Generations of twentieth century typists were then
> taught to do the same, by hitting the spacebar twice after every period.
> Your typing as well as your typesetting will benefit from unlearning this
> quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is
> required after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.
>
>
> LyX is just nudging you along the path of unlearning.
>
> Bruce

I agree with Bill Foote that the nag message is annoying, even though
I do not share the habit. I do occasionally hit space to put in two
spaces by hand (an old habit from using word processors and text
editors).

Another inconsistency: the message in response to pressing the tab
character is simply "command disabled"--because the manual does not
discuss alternatives to tabbing in word processors and text editors.

Turning this stuff off after the first occurrence seems good enough to
me. Some programs, like Firefox, give you the option of keeping the
warnings or never showing them again--it's not a bad practice from a
usability standpoint.

In general, it is somewhat unhelpful when the response to "your
program does something annoying in response to X" is "Don't do X".

I'll quote Steve Jobs: "Just don't hold it that way."

Maria

Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Bill Foote]

Dear LyX community,

First, thank you for a wonderful editor!

Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces. 
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!

I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I type,
putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right thing
to do.  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)

I know I could hack the code myself, but then I'd have to maintain my hack
across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a way I
can file a request for enhancement?  :-)

Cheers,

Bill

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[David L. Johnson]

On 04/11/2012 01:50 PM, Bill Foote wrote:

Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces.
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!


Me, too.

--

David L. Johnson

Some people used to claim that, if enough monkeys sat in front of
enough typewriters and typed long enough, eventually one of them would
reproduce the collected works of Shakespeare.  The internet has
proven this not to be the case.

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
 Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
 tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
 layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
 completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces.
 With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!

Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
already or not.


 I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I type,
 putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right thing
 to do.

Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


 Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
 was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)

 I know I could hack the code myself,

I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
this point.

Liviu

[1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7158


 but then I'd have to maintain my hack
 across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a 
 way I
 can file a request for enhancement?  :-)

 Cheers,

 Bill




-- 
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http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
Do you know how to write?
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Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
  was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
 
  I know I could hack the code myself,
 
 I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
 to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
 itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
 ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
 again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
 this point.


Actually, I think Bill meant he could hack the LyX code to get rid of the
warning, not the TeX engine to allow it.

I would agree with him: that warning is annoying to any user who (1) is old
enough to have internalized the 2-spaces after period rule and (2) uses
LyX more than occasionally. A preference setting would work great, I think.
Or alternatively, a rule that disable the warning after a fixed amount of
repetitions(20, say).

Cheers,

Stefano




-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jens Nöckel]

Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent here: 
if two spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous message 
after pressing return several times? Admittedly, it's a little different 
because LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them - but the 
basic reasoning is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the additional new 
lines (or white space of any kind) and the user may not be aware of that. 

So to be consistent, either add even more warnings or get rid of the space 
warning. An argument in favor of dropping the warning would be that there is 
already the visual feedback that LyX simply won't budge when repeatedly given 
spaces or new lines. On the other hand, I don't think the status message at the 
bottom of the window is all that annoying. Just wanted to point out the 
inconsistency.

Jens


 
On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
 Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
 tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
 layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
 completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces.
 With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
 
 Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
 always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
 happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
 already or not.
 
 
 I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I 
 type,
 putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right 
 thing
 to do.
 
 Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.
 
 
 Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
 was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
 
 I know I could hack the code myself,
 
 I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
 to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
 itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
 ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
 again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
 this point.
 
 Liviu
 
 [1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7158
 
 
 but then I'd have to maintain my hack
 across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a 
 way I
 can file a request for enhancement?  :-)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Do you know how to read?
 http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm
 http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
 Do you know how to write?
 http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Charlie]

 On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:50:28 + (UTC) Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com
 suggested this:

I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when
I type, putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is
the right thing to do.  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter
in the mid-70's when I was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't
going away any time soon :-)

I suppose computers is all about learning new things. Keep the brain
active so Alzheimer's is kept at bay. Or a spin off thereof.

Be well,
Charlie
-- 
**  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences.
--Sengstan Third Zen Patriarch

***
Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
___

Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Bill Foote]

Dear LyX community,

First, thank you for a wonderful editor!

Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces. 
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!

I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I type,
putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right thing
to do.  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)

I know I could hack the code myself, but then I'd have to maintain my hack
across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a way I
can file a request for enhancement?  :-)

Cheers,

Bill

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[David L. Johnson]

On 04/11/2012 01:50 PM, Bill Foote wrote:

Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces.
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!


Me, too.

--

David L. Johnson

Some people used to claim that, if enough monkeys sat in front of
enough typewriters and typed long enough, eventually one of them would
reproduce the collected works of Shakespeare.  The internet has
proven this not to be the case.

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
 Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
 tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
 layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
 completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces.
 With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!

Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
already or not.


 I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I type,
 putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right thing
 to do.

Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


 Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
 was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)

 I know I could hack the code myself,

I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
this point.

Liviu

[1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7158


 but then I'd have to maintain my hack
 across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a 
 way I
 can file a request for enhancement?  :-)

 Cheers,

 Bill




-- 
Do you know how to read?
http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm
http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
Do you know how to write?
http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
  was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
 
  I know I could hack the code myself,
 
 I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
 to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
 itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
 ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
 again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
 this point.


Actually, I think Bill meant he could hack the LyX code to get rid of the
warning, not the TeX engine to allow it.

I would agree with him: that warning is annoying to any user who (1) is old
enough to have internalized the 2-spaces after period rule and (2) uses
LyX more than occasionally. A preference setting would work great, I think.
Or alternatively, a rule that disable the warning after a fixed amount of
repetitions(20, say).

Cheers,

Stefano




-- 
__
Stefano Franchi
Associate Research Professor
Department of Hispanic StudiesPh:   +1 (979) 845-2125
Texas AM University  Fax:  +1 (979) 845-6421
College Station, Texas, USA

stef...@tamu.edu
http://stefano.cleinias.org

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Jens Nöckel]

Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent here: 
if two spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous message 
after pressing return several times? Admittedly, it's a little different 
because LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them - but the 
basic reasoning is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the additional new 
lines (or white space of any kind) and the user may not be aware of that. 

So to be consistent, either add even more warnings or get rid of the space 
warning. An argument in favor of dropping the warning would be that there is 
already the visual feedback that LyX simply won't budge when repeatedly given 
spaces or new lines. On the other hand, I don't think the status message at the 
bottom of the window is all that annoying. Just wanted to point out the 
inconsistency.

Jens


 
On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com wrote:
 Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the You cannot ... Please read the
 tutorial message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
 layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
 completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on extra spaces.
 With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
 
 Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
 always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
 happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
 already or not.
 
 
 I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I 
 type,
 putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right 
 thing
 to do.
 
 Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.
 
 
 Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
 was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
 
 I know I could hack the code myself,
 
 I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
 to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
 itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
 ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
 again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
 this point.
 
 Liviu
 
 [1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7158
 
 
 but then I'd have to maintain my hack
 across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a 
 way I
 can file a request for enhancement?  :-)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Do you know how to read?
 http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm
 http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
 Do you know how to write?
 http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail
 

Re: Getting rid of You cannot type two spaces this way message?

[Charlie]

 On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:50:28 + (UTC) Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com
 suggested this:

I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when
I type, putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is
the right thing to do.  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter
in the mid-70's when I was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't
going away any time soon :-)

I suppose computers is all about learning new things. Keep the brain
active so Alzheimer's is kept at bay. Or a spin off thereof.

Be well,
Charlie
-- 
**  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **  **
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences.
--Sengstan Third Zen Patriarch

***
Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic
___

Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Bill Foote]

Dear LyX community,

First, thank you for a wonderful editor!

Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ... Please read the
tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on "extra" spaces. 
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!

I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I type,
putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right thing
to do.  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)

I know I could hack the code myself, but then I'd have to maintain my hack
across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a way I
can file a request for enhancement?  :-)

Cheers,

Bill

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[David L. Johnson]

On 04/11/2012 01:50 PM, Bill Foote wrote:

Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ... Please read the
tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on "extra" spaces.
With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!


Me, too.

--

David L. Johnson

Some people used to claim that, if enough monkeys sat in front of
enough typewriters and typed long enough, eventually one of them would
reproduce the collected works of Shakespeare.  The internet has
proven this not to be the case.

Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote  wrote:
> Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ... Please read the
> tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
> layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
> completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on "extra" spaces.
> With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
>
Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
already or not.


> I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I type,
> putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right thing
> to do.
>
Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.


> Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
> was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
>
> I know I could hack the code myself,
>
I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
this point.

Liviu

[1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7158


> but then I'd have to maintain my hack
> across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a 
> way I
> can file a request for enhancement?  :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>



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Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote  wrote:
> > Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
> > was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
> >
> > I know I could hack the code myself,
> >
> I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
> to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
> itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
> ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
> again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
> this point.
>
>
Actually, I think Bill meant he could hack the LyX code to get rid of the
warning, not the TeX engine to allow it.

I would agree with him: that warning is annoying to any user who (1) is old
enough to have internalized the "2-spaces after period" rule and (2) uses
LyX more than occasionally. A preference setting would work great, I think.
Or alternatively, a rule that disable the warning after a fixed amount of
repetitions(20, say).

Cheers,

Stefano




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Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Jens Nöckel]

Although I also ignore this LyX message, there is something inconsistent here: 
if two spaces generate a message, then why don't we get an analogous message 
after pressing  several times? Admittedly, it's a little different 
because LyX allows a few more returns before stopping to add them - but the 
basic reasoning is the same: LaTeX won't do anything with the additional new 
lines (or white space of any kind) and the user may not be aware of that. 

So to be consistent, either add even more warnings or get rid of the  
warning. An argument in favor of dropping the warning would be that there is 
already the visual feedback that LyX simply won't budge when repeatedly given 
spaces or new lines. On the other hand, I don't think the status message at the 
bottom of the window is all that annoying. Just wanted to point out the 
inconsistency.

Jens


 
On Apr 11, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Bill Foote  wrote:
>> Is there an easy way for me to get rid of the "You cannot ... Please read the
>> tutorial" message?  I know that typing two spaces that way doesn't change the
>> layout, and I'm more-or-less fine with LyX auto-deleting the space.  I'm
>> completely fine with TeX not changing the formatting based on "extra" spaces.
>> With all that said, I'd prefer that LyX stop nagging.  I know already!
>> 
> Start ignoring it. :) This is what I did. Besides, it's a good idea to
> always show it, so as to quickly and clearly explain new users what
> happens and why. LyX cannot know whether the user typing _knows_ it
> already or not.
> 
> 
>> I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when I 
>> type,
>> putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is the right 
>> thing
>> to do.
>> 
> Likely TeX/LaTeX would disagree.
> 
> 
>> Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter in the mid-70's when I
>> was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't going away any time soon :-)
>> 
>> I know I could hack the code myself,
>> 
> I would be surprised. TeX simply ignores multiple spaces. If you want
> to change this, you may need to look into hacking the TeX engine
> itself (assuming you export to LaTeX). You could go the way of very
> ugly hacks such as adding a protected space to each normal space, but
> again this seems like a very bad idea. See [1] for some discussion of
> this point.
> 
> Liviu
> 
> [1] http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7158
> 
> 
>> but then I'd have to maintain my hack
>> across each upgrade.  Is there a preference I can set?  If not, is there a 
>> way I
>> can file a request for enhancement?  :-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: Getting rid of "You cannot type two spaces this way" message?

[Charlie]

 On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:50:28 + (UTC) "Bill Foote bi...@jovial.com"
 suggested this:

>I'm not going to adjust my typing style, because most of the time when
>I type, putting two spaces after a period or some other punctuation is
>the right thing to do.  Also, I learned to type on a manual typewriter
>in the mid-70's when I was in 4th grade; that muscle memory ain't
>going away any time soon :-)

I suppose computers is all about learning new things. Keep the brain
active so Alzheimer's is kept at bay. Or a spin off thereof.

Be well,
Charlie
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