Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Richard Heck]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...


It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the
difference between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when
pronouncing "LyX" compared to eg "licks".

This kind of difference IS very interesting. And quite common.

Human languages have a vast store of phonological primitives from which 
what we call 'words' are constructed. Each actual language uses but a 
subset of these. All of the different sounds can be heard in children's 
babbling, and each child has the innate capacity to distinguish among 
all of those sounds. But the ability to produce and recognize all of 
these different sounds vanishes as the child matures and its linguistic 
abilities specialize. This is part of what makes it difficult for adults 
to learn other languages and is one of the reasons that a native 
English-speaker who learns Norwegian (say) late in life will, in many 
cases, always speak with an accent, however fluent she may otherwise become.


My favorite example of this difference is difficult to describe but 
impressive to hear. There are languages in which there are two different 
sounds that English speakers would hear as "p". The difference is 
whether the sound is aspirated, which corresponds, phonetically, to a 
small puff of breath following the production of the "p" sound. The 
difference is like that between the "th" sound in "that" and the "th" 
sound in "thin". (Hold your hand in front of your mount as you produce 
these words. You'll feel the puff of air.) The difference is relevant in 
so far as there could be, though there is not in fact, another English 
word "thin" in which the "th" was pronounced as in "that" or a word 
"that" in which "th" was pronounced as in "thin".


If I remember correctly, there are no Eurpoean languages in which 
aspiration is relevant in the case of "p". (I could be wrong about 
that.) Hence, speakers of English and other such languages tend not to 
hear it, and that makes learning languages in which the difference is 
relevant difficult for such speakers.


Richard Heck

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Steve Litt]

On Sunday 16 July 2006 03:57 am, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 05:16:12PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...
> > >
> > >It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the
> > > difference between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when
> > > pronouncing "LyX" compared to eg "licks".
> >
> >   More like "leeks," eh?
>
> To me the Norwegian pronuncation sounds like something halfway between
> 'Licks' (pronounced the English way)

Get your LyX,
on Route 66

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

STeveT

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Andre Poenitz]

On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 05:16:12PM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...
> 
> >It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the difference
> >between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when pronouncing "LyX"
> >compared to eg "licks".
> 
>   More like "leeks," eh?

To me the Norwegian pronuncation sounds like something halfway between
'Licks' (pronounced the English way) and 'Lücks' (pronounced the German
way). Seems to be a good compromise ;-}

Andre'

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Richard Downing]

Ed Gatzke wrote:


Why can't computer people come up with pronounceable names like Windows, Word,
and Excel?



You do know that they are pronounced:  Windowz, Wierd, and ExChill - 
don't you?


R

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Daniel Watkins]

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Ed Gatzke wrote:
> Why can't computer people come up with pronounceable names like Windows,
> Word, and Excel?

Because we don't get to be as smug and superior. :p

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Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Ed Gatzke]

> > It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the 
> > difference between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when 
> > pronouncing "LyX" compared to eg "licks".

I thought it was always "licks", but I could see people using "leeks".

And LaTeX was always la-Tech, not lay-tech for me.

Why can't computer people come up with pronounceable names like Windows, Word,
and Excel?


> > 
> > Now, let me think... in the US you typically have... what.. two weeks?
> > 
> 
> Three months (college professor), although I only have one month left.  
> 

Ha!  These three months are when we work!  Finally the undergrads are away and
we can get something done.  And for untenured junior faculty, you get no
vacation at all...

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Paul A. Rubin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, Rich Shepard wrote:




The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...

I suspect that the sound snippet where Linus Torvalds pronounces "linux" 
helped promote linux quite a bit...


Not to mention settling more than a few arguments -- as the developer 
and benevolent god of Linux, he gets the last word on how it's 
pronounced.  I suppose Matthias Ettrich would be the official arbiter of 
pronunciation here?  (And, by the way, you don't want to know how we 
Americans pronounce "Matthias".)


It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the 
difference between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when 
pronouncing "LyX" compared to eg "licks".


Some of us can.  We just can't reproduce it.  Anyway, the official 
American policy on language is (a) pronounce it any way we damned well 
please and then (b) tell you that you're pronouncing it wrong, even if 
the word comes from your native language.  :-)  (In the case of the 
Brits, we will also take time to point out that they spell a lot of 
words incorrectly, such as "programme".)




[* ] The advantage with a long vacation is that first you can go away 
with your significant other and then you can also get some playtime on 
your own. In a few days I'll be off to see Vienna and Innsbruck in 
Austria :-)


Now, let me think... in the US you typically have... what.. two weeks?

;-)


Three months (college professor), although I only have one month left.  ;-)

/Paul

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Anders Dahnielson]

On 7/16/06, Roy Schestowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


___/ On Sun 16 Jul 2006 01:16:12 BST, [ Rich Shepard ] wrote : \___

> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...
>
>> It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the
difference
>> between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when pronouncing "LyX"
>> compared to eg "licks".
>
>   More like "leeks," eh?


I have always thought it was pronounced leek, as in "latek".
Other  people whom I speak to pronounced it "leeks". Perhaps
my  inclination  is  a borrowed habit from  the  friend  who
introduced  me to LyX back in 2001. Either way, this reminds
meof   {(Open)SuSE}OR{SUSE}   and   {Linux}OR{GNU/Linux}
controversies,  let  alone  the pronunciation of  Linux  and
SuSE.




I pronounce it "latech" [l��:teχ] ending like Bach... but then again people
in certain parts of the world will pronounce that weird too.

--
Anders Dahnielson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Roy Schestowitz]

___/ On Sun 16 Jul 2006 01:16:12 BST, [ Rich Shepard ] wrote : \___


On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...



It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the difference
between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when pronouncing "LyX"
compared to eg "licks".


  More like "leeks," eh?



I have always thought it was pronounced leek, as in "latek".
Other  people whom I speak to pronounced it "leeks". Perhaps
my  inclination  is  a borrowed habit from  the  friend  who
introduced  me to LyX back in 2001. Either way, this reminds
meof   {(Open)SuSE}OR{SUSE}   and   {Linux}OR{GNU/Linux}
controversies,  let  alone  the pronunciation of  Linux  and
SuSE.



Now, let me think... in the US you typically have... what.. two weeks?


  Ha! Not when you work for yourself and have to rebuild a business.

Rich



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roy  pts/8 Sun Jul 16 11:28 - 11:28  (00:00)

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Rich Shepard]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...



It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the difference
between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when pronouncing "LyX"
compared to eg "licks".


  More like "leeks," eh?


Now, let me think... in the US you typically have... what.. two weeks?


  Ha! Not when you work for yourself and have to rebuild a business.

Rich

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Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Juergen has written the page http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/Pronunciation that
explains a bit about how "LyX" is pronounced. We are however missing sound
files that examplify how different people, users and developers, actually
pronounce the word.


 Having a slow weekend, are we Christian?


I wish.. catching up on on >1200 posts on various lists is a bit tough... 
my eyes are probably square right now. Shouldn't complain though... that's 
what you get after two weeks vacation :-)



 When geeks can't get dates ...


Sort of true actually, as my girlfriend went off on her own today [*] I've 
spent the rest of the day doing mail. Now I'm finally done!


Anyway, I'm certainly a geek since I actually look forward to using the 
next 2-3 days trying to fix some wiki-related stuff. Perhaps re-organizing 
and/or structuring the FAQ pages. It's been a while since I had time for 
hobbies.


The pronounciation bit is pretty interesting though...

I suspect that the sound snippet where Linus Torvalds pronounces "linux" 
helped promote linux quite a bit...


It is also interesting how you Americans usually can't hear the difference 
between the vowel sound Swedes/Norwegians make when pronouncing "LyX" 
compared to eg "licks".


cheers
/Christian

[* ] The advantage with a long vacation is that first you can go away with 
your significant other and then you can also get some playtime on your 
own. In a few days I'll be off to see Vienna and Innsbruck in Austria :-)


Now, let me think... in the US you typically have... what.. two weeks?

;-)

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Juergen has written the page http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/Pronunciation that
explains a bit about how "LyX" is pronounced. We are however missing sound
files that examplify how different people, users and developers, actually
pronounce the word.


  Having a slow weekend, are we Christian?

  When geeks can't get dates ...

:-)

Rich

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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.(TM)|Accelerator
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Prouncing "LyX" - help with sound file

[christian . ridderstrom]

Hi

Juergen has written the page http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/Pronunciation that 
explains a bit about how "LyX" is pronounced. We are however missing sound 
files that examplify how different people, users and developers, actually 
pronounce the word.


Since the developers are busy on more productive work :-), I'd like to ask 
for some volunteers to create a sound examples where the person says 
something like


I prounounce "LyX" LyX.

or the equivalent in your language. Examples in many languages are 
welcome. Especially as we know it's pronounced differentely. For instance, 
in some languages the word "lyx" exists naturally, in swedish it means 
"luxury".


Sound files isn't my area so I don't know if .wav is better or worse than 
say .mp3. Ideally both I guess?


If you would like to help with this, please don't send sound files to the 
list. Contact me privately instead and I'll get them uploaded and linked 
to properly from the wiki page.


best regards
/Christian

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Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr