Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[G. Milde]

On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
 option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

So it works similar to

 * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above,

 * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in EditText StyleCustomized...

 Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
 should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
 Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
 [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and
Alignment?

Alignment   Line spacing

(*) Default (*) Default
( ) Justified   ( ) Single
( ) Left( ) 1.5
( ) Center  ( ) Double
( ) Right   ( ) [text field]

[x] Indent Paragraph


(With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: Custom line
spacing, e.g. 1.3ex.)


Günter

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[G. Milde]

On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
 option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

So it works similar to

 * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above,

 * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in EditText StyleCustomized...

 Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
 should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
 Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
 [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and
Alignment?

Alignment   Line spacing

(*) Default (*) Default
( ) Justified   ( ) Single
( ) Left( ) 1.5
( ) Center  ( ) Double
( ) Right   ( ) [text field]

[x] Indent Paragraph


(With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: Custom line
spacing, e.g. 1.3ex.)


Günter

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[G. Milde]

On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
> option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

So it works similar to

 * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above,

 * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in Edit>Text Style>Customized...

>>> Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
>>> should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
>>> "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
>>> "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and
Alignment?

Alignment   Line spacing

(*) Default (*) Default
( ) Justified   ( ) Single
( ) Left( ) 1.5
( ) Center  ( ) Double
( ) Right   ( ) []

[x] Indent Paragraph


(With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: "Custom line
spacing, e.g. 1.3ex".)


Günter

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no 
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that 
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label 
depending upon which situation we're in.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
  indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content.   
Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have   
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if   
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer   
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing   
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate   
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.

rh


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left)  
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some  
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled  
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which  
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the  
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to  
me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph  
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if  
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just  
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's  
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied  
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it  
says justified isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies  
to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a  
problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If  
it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context  
would keep it accurate.


I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my  
user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job!


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if  
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer  
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing  
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate  
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.
 


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) 
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some 
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled 
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently 
formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that 
might be.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which 
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the 
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra 
blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me 
that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph 
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if 
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just 
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's 
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied 
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main 
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't 
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur   
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.   
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think   
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading   
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text   
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because  
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a   
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.

Richard


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy  
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then  
that'll be great.


jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur  
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.  
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think  
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading  
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text  
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because 
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a  
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy 
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then 
that'll be great.


What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the 
first place.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
 extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't   
occur  to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it   
does.  (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?)   
I think  that even if justified is correct,  it was a little   
mis-leading  -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the   
original text  Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is  
 accurate because  it would have implied to me that it might   
properly format a  footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm   
happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them,   
then that'll be great.



What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the
first place.


Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks!
jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no 
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that 
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label 
depending upon which situation we're in.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
  indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content.   
Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have   
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if   
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer   
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing   
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate   
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.

rh


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left)  
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some  
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled  
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which  
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the  
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to  
me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph  
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if  
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just  
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's  
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied  
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it  
says justified isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies  
to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a  
problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If  
it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context  
would keep it accurate.


I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my  
user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job!


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if  
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer  
to say Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing  
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate  
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.
 


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) 
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some 
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled 
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently 
formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that 
might be.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which 
I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the 
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra 
blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me 
that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph 
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if 
justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just 
due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's 
Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied 
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main 
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't 
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur   
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.   
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think   
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading   
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text   
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because  
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a   
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.

Richard


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy  
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then  
that'll be great.


jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur  
to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does.  
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think  
that even if justified is correct,  it was a little mis-leading  
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text  
Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because 
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a  
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy 
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then 
that'll be great.


What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the 
first place.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
 extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't   
occur  to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it   
does.  (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?)   
I think  that even if justified is correct,  it was a little   
mis-leading  -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the   
original text  Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is  
 accurate because  it would have implied to me that it might   
properly format a  footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm   
happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them,   
then that'll be great.



What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the
first place.


Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks!
jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
"Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no 
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that 
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label 
depending upon which situation we're in.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
  indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content.   
Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have   
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if   
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer   
to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing   
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate   
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.

rh


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left)  
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some  
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled  
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which  
I wouldn't think "justified" would apply except for the fact that the  
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to  
me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph  
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if  
"justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just  
due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's  
Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied  
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it  
says "justified" isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies  
to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a  
problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If  
it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context  
would keep it accurate.


I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my  
user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job!


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have 
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it 
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say 
"Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I 
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest 
in the detail here!

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if  
it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer  
to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing  
both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate  
your interest in the detail here!


The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no
special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that
there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label
depending upon which situation we're in.
 


I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) 
formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some 
randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled 
makes perfect sense because that's what it does.


Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently 
formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that 
might be.


But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which 
I wouldn't think "justified" would apply except for the fact that the 
marker is in a justified paragraph.


From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra 
blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me 
that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph 
formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if 
"justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just 
due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's 
Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied 
to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does!


In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main 
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't 
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


Richard

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur   
to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does.   
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think   
that even if "justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading   
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text   
"Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because  
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a   
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.

Richard


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy  
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then  
that'll be great.


jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an  
extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur  
to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does.  
(paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think  
that even if "justified" is correct,  it was a little mis-leading  
-- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text  
"Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because 
 it would have implied to me that it might properly format a  
footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy 
with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then 
that'll be great.


What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the 
first place.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an   
 extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't   
occur  to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it   
does.  (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?)   
I think  that even if "justified" is correct,  it was a little   
mis-leading  -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the   
original text  "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is  
 accurate because  it would have implied to me that it might   
properly format a  footnote -- which it does!



In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main
text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't
allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does.


I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm   
happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them,   
then that'll be great.



What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the
first place.


Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks!
jf

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the  
cursor  resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update  
option is

unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does

for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The  
idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it  
when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.


The bug is that clicking Update does nothing.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the 
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- 
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- 
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into 
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either 
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the 
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now 
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!


That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is
that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask
for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.

rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the   
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --   
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting  
 -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!





The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text   
into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote   
-- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote   
number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote   
footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
 the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote   
contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.


Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be  
the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined  
by the context.


I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter  
titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the  
default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable  
to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so.  
Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues  
-- only imported latex as far as I've found.


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this 
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!


Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button 
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default 
by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part 
have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this   
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it  
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say  
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I  
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest  
in the detail here!


How about Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?  
:-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the  
program for a later version. :-)


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the  
cursor  resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update  
option is

unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does

for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The  
idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it  
when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.


The bug is that clicking Update does nothing.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the 
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- 
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- 
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into 
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either 
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the 
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now 
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!


That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is
that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask
for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.

rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the   
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --   
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting  
 -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!





The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text   
into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote   
-- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote   
number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote   
footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
 the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote   
contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.


Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be  
the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined  
by the context.


I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter  
titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the  
default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable  
to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so.  
Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues  
-- only imported latex as far as I've found.


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this 
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!


Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button 
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default 
by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part 
have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this   
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
[Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it  
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say  
Remove Paragraph Formatting?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I  
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest  
in the detail here!


How about Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?  
:-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the  
program for a later version. :-)


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the  
cursor  resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update"  
option is

unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does

for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The  
idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it  
when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.


The bug is that clicking "Update" does nothing.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quoting Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the 
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- 
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- 
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)

The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into 
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either 
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the 
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now 
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.

3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!


That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is
that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask
for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial.

rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the   
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --   
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting  
 -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.



You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this  
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!





The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text   
into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote   
-- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote   
number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote   
footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
 the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote   
contents.



I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment
set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote
when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't.


Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be  
the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined  
by the context.


I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter  
titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the  
default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable  
to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so.  
Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues  
-- only imported latex as far as I've found.


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[rgheck]

You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this 
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!


Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button 
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" 
by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part 
have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.


rh

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:




You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this
option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-)


Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this   
indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks!



Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button
should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would
"Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the
"[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right.

rh


My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have  
tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it  
resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say  
"Remove Paragraph Formatting"?  I'm surmising it's doing both. So I  
understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest  
in the detail here!


How about "Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?"  
:-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the  
program for a later version. :-)


jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem  
that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph  
formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit   
Paragraph Settings 



2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex  
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple  
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option  
is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to  
check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does for me.



4) editing source from within LyX.


This is not currently possible.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the  
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --  
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting --  
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.


The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into  
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either  
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the  
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.





2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


thanks -- I'll try that.



3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor   
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-)

jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem  
that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph  
formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit   
Paragraph Settings 



2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex  
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple  
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option  
is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to  
check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does for me.



4) editing source from within LyX.


This is not currently possible.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit  Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit  Paragraph by selecting just the  
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --  
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting --  
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.


The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into  
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either  
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the  
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.





2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


thanks -- I'll try that.



3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor   
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-)

jamie faunt

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[Bennett Helm]

On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem  
that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph  
formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit >  
Paragraph Settings 



2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex  
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple  
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor  
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option  
is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to  
check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least  
it does for me.



4) editing source from within LyX.


This is not currently possible.

Bennett

Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3

[jf7]

Quoting Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...


In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here:

Main one is:

1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting.


I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that
when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If
so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings



I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the  
footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it --  
presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting --  
I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered.


The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into  
it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either  
way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the  
footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer.


Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now  
the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents.





2) being able to import .rtf files


I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex
file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple
search and replace, and then import into LyX.


thanks -- I'll try that.



3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor   
resides as the User Guide says it will.


It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is
unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check
that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does
for me.


Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks!

Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-)

jamie faunt

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:


This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt!
But because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a
footnote directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure
out a solution of my own (why on earth would I have posted my
question if I had known the answer).


A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}



Well, THIS is clear to me :)

What I was referring to were the problems with inserting an ERT 
containing the LaTeX command \thanks, which should contain a url, i.e. 
Insert-ERT, \thanks{bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't work! The 
solution You and Charles mentioned is a working LyX-solution. The 
solution I suggested is a LaTeX-style solution with LyX. Both works, 
although yours is a bit more elegant...


I have attached two files the first (test-1.lyx) containg the 
non-working, the second (test-2.lyx) containg the working solution with 
a url within \thanks in an ERT.


this is what I call nonsense, using LyX, but then writing
things, which LyX directly supports, with ERT.

Herbert

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:


This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt!
But because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a
footnote directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure
out a solution of my own (why on earth would I have posted my
question if I had known the answer).


A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}



Well, THIS is clear to me :)

What I was referring to were the problems with inserting an ERT 
containing the LaTeX command \thanks, which should contain a url, i.e. 
Insert-ERT, \thanks{bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't work! The 
solution You and Charles mentioned is a working LyX-solution. The 
solution I suggested is a LaTeX-style solution with LyX. Both works, 
although yours is a bit more elegant...


I have attached two files the first (test-1.lyx) containg the 
non-working, the second (test-2.lyx) containg the working solution with 
a url within \thanks in an ERT.


this is what I call nonsense, using LyX, but then writing
things, which LyX directly supports, with ERT.

Herbert

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:


This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt!
But because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a
footnote directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure
out a solution of my own (why on earth would I have posted my
question if I had known the answer).


A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}



Well, THIS is clear to me :)

What I was referring to were the problems with inserting an ERT 
containing the LaTeX command \thanks, which should contain a url, i.e. 
Insert->ERT, \thanks{bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't work! The 
solution You and Charles mentioned is a working LyX-solution. The 
solution I suggested is a LaTeX-style solution with LyX. Both works, 
although yours is a bit more elegant...


I have attached two files the first (test-1.lyx) containg the 
non-working, the second (test-2.lyx) containg the working solution with 
a url within \thanks in an ERT.


this is what I call nonsense, using LyX, but then writing
things, which LyX directly supports, with ERT.

Herbert

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Charles de Miramon, 10.12.2005 17:35:
 K. Elo wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
  Kimmo,
 
  Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
   1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *,
   i.e. bla bla bla*
   2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
   Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.
 
  What about something like
 
  \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
  the LyX community.}

 No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title,
 LyX is smart enough to format it as a \thanks.

Yes, this works. Without tricks. Thanks!

 Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet
 list in a thanks footnote. It won't compile without some
 strategically placed \protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet
 list in a normal footnote. It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one
 are kept to oblige you to buy fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)

Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my email as 
a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors. After examining 
my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured out the trick:

Preamble:
\usepackage{url}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ERT in text:
\thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}

Cheers,
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:

Hi,

Charles de Miramon, 10.12.2005 17:35:


K. Elo wrote:


Hi,

Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:


Kimmo,

Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:


1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *,
i.e. bla bla bla*
2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.


What about something like

\thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
the LyX community.}


No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title,
LyX is smart enough to format it as a \thanks.



Yes, this works. Without tricks. Thanks!



Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet
list in a thanks footnote. It won't compile without some
strategically placed \protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet
list in a normal footnote. It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one
are kept to oblige you to buy fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)



Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my email as 
a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors. After examining 
my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured out the trick:


Preamble:
\usepackage{url}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ERT in text:
\thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}


nonsense ...

-- insert the title or author with LyX as usual
-- insert a footnote with LyX as usual, it is converted into a thanks
-- insert an url _with LyX_ as usual

there is noo need for ERT

Herbert

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi Herbert,

Herbert Voss, 11.12.2005 22:08:
  Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my
  email as a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors.
  After examining my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured
  out the trick:
 
  Preamble:
  \usepackage{url}
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ERT in text:
  \thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}

 nonsense ...

No, it's not All above is needed if You want to insert an __ERT__ 
with \thanks, which contains a formatted url, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Please note I referred to a solution with an ERT!!

If you don't believe me, please try to insert the following:
The preamble (doctype: article):
\usepackage{url}
The document:
Bla bla bla [As Style Title]
\thanks{Bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] [as ERT}: 

If you now try to produce an output (crtl+d) it JUST WON'T WORK!! Your 
document will just cause several LaTeX errors.

 -- insert the title or author with LyX as usual
 -- insert a footnote with LyX as usual, it is converted into a thanks
 -- insert an url _with LyX_ as usual
 there is noo need for ERT

This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt! But 
because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a footnote 
directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure out a solution 
of my own (why on earth would I have posted my question if I had known 
the answer). 

Kind regards,
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:

This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt! But 
because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a footnote 
directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure out a solution 
of my own (why on earth would I have posted my question if I had known 
the answer). 


A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}

Herbert
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Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Herbert Voss, 11.12.2005 22:58:
 K. Elo wrote:
  This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt!
  But because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a
  footnote directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure
  out a solution of my own (why on earth would I have posted my
  question if I had known the answer).

 A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
 outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
 without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}

Well, THIS is clear to me :)

What I was referring to were the problems with inserting an ERT 
containing the LaTeX command \thanks, which should contain a url, i.e. 
Insert-ERT, \thanks{bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't work! The 
solution You and Charles mentioned is a working LyX-solution. The 
solution I suggested is a LaTeX-style solution with LyX. Both works, 
although yours is a bit more elegant...

I have attached two files the first (test-1.lyx) containg the 
non-working, the second (test-2.lyx) containg the working solution with 
a url within \thanks in an ERT.

Cheers,
Kimmo


test-1.lyx
Description: application/lyx


test-2.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Charles de Miramon, 10.12.2005 17:35:
 K. Elo wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
  Kimmo,
 
  Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
   1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *,
   i.e. bla bla bla*
   2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
   Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.
 
  What about something like
 
  \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
  the LyX community.}

 No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title,
 LyX is smart enough to format it as a \thanks.

Yes, this works. Without tricks. Thanks!

 Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet
 list in a thanks footnote. It won't compile without some
 strategically placed \protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet
 list in a normal footnote. It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one
 are kept to oblige you to buy fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)

Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my email as 
a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors. After examining 
my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured out the trick:

Preamble:
\usepackage{url}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ERT in text:
\thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}

Cheers,
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:

Hi,

Charles de Miramon, 10.12.2005 17:35:


K. Elo wrote:


Hi,

Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:


Kimmo,

Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:


1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *,
i.e. bla bla bla*
2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.


What about something like

\thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
the LyX community.}


No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title,
LyX is smart enough to format it as a \thanks.



Yes, this works. Without tricks. Thanks!



Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet
list in a thanks footnote. It won't compile without some
strategically placed \protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet
list in a normal footnote. It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one
are kept to oblige you to buy fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)



Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my email as 
a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors. After examining 
my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured out the trick:


Preamble:
\usepackage{url}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ERT in text:
\thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}


nonsense ...

-- insert the title or author with LyX as usual
-- insert a footnote with LyX as usual, it is converted into a thanks
-- insert an url _with LyX_ as usual

there is noo need for ERT

Herbert

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi Herbert,

Herbert Voss, 11.12.2005 22:08:
  Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my
  email as a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors.
  After examining my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured
  out the trick:
 
  Preamble:
  \usepackage{url}
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ERT in text:
  \thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}

 nonsense ...

No, it's not All above is needed if You want to insert an __ERT__ 
with \thanks, which contains a formatted url, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Please note I referred to a solution with an ERT!!

If you don't believe me, please try to insert the following:
The preamble (doctype: article):
\usepackage{url}
The document:
Bla bla bla [As Style Title]
\thanks{Bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] [as ERT}: 

If you now try to produce an output (crtl+d) it JUST WON'T WORK!! Your 
document will just cause several LaTeX errors.

 -- insert the title or author with LyX as usual
 -- insert a footnote with LyX as usual, it is converted into a thanks
 -- insert an url _with LyX_ as usual
 there is noo need for ERT

This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt! But 
because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a footnote 
directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure out a solution 
of my own (why on earth would I have posted my question if I had known 
the answer). 

Kind regards,
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:

This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt! But 
because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a footnote 
directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure out a solution 
of my own (why on earth would I have posted my question if I had known 
the answer). 


A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}

Herbert
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Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Herbert Voss, 11.12.2005 22:58:
 K. Elo wrote:
  This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt!
  But because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a
  footnote directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure
  out a solution of my own (why on earth would I have posted my
  question if I had known the answer).

 A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
 outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
 without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}

Well, THIS is clear to me :)

What I was referring to were the problems with inserting an ERT 
containing the LaTeX command \thanks, which should contain a url, i.e. 
Insert-ERT, \thanks{bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't work! The 
solution You and Charles mentioned is a working LyX-solution. The 
solution I suggested is a LaTeX-style solution with LyX. Both works, 
although yours is a bit more elegant...

I have attached two files the first (test-1.lyx) containg the 
non-working, the second (test-2.lyx) containg the working solution with 
a url within \thanks in an ERT.

Cheers,
Kimmo


test-1.lyx
Description: application/lyx


test-2.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Charles de Miramon, 10.12.2005 17:35:
> K. Elo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
> >> Kimmo,
> >>
> >> Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
> >> > 1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *,
> >> > i.e. bla bla bla*
> >> > 2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
> >> > Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.
> >>
> >> What about something like
> >>
> >> \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
> >> the LyX community.}
>
> No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title,
> LyX is smart enough to format it as a \thanks.

Yes, this works. Without tricks. Thanks!

> Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet
> list in a thanks footnote. It won't compile without some
> strategically placed \protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet
> list in a normal footnote. It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one
> are kept to oblige you to buy fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)

Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my email as 
a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors. After examining 
my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured out the trick:

Preamble:
\usepackage{url}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ERT in text:
\thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}

Cheers,
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:

Hi,

Charles de Miramon, 10.12.2005 17:35:


K. Elo wrote:


Hi,

Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:


Kimmo,

Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:


1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *,
i.e. bla bla bla*
2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.


What about something like

\thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
the LyX community.}


No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title,
LyX is smart enough to format it as a \thanks.



Yes, this works. Without tricks. Thanks!



Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet
list in a thanks footnote. It won't compile without some
strategically placed \protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet
list in a normal footnote. It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one
are kept to oblige you to buy fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)



Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my email as 
a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors. After examining 
my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured out the trick:


Preamble:
\usepackage{url}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ERT in text:
\thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}


nonsense ...

-- insert the title or author with LyX as usual
-- insert a footnote with LyX as usual, it is converted into a thanks
-- insert an url _with LyX_ as usual

there is noo need for ERT

Herbert

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi Herbert,

Herbert Voss, 11.12.2005 22:08:
> > Another thing are urls within a \thanks. I tried to include my
> > email as a url, but all I've got were a bundle of Latex errors.
> > After examining my thick and quite expensive ;-) TLC2e, I figured
> > out the trick:
> >
> > Preamble:
> > \usepackage{url}
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ERT in text:
> > \thanks{bla bla bla \myemail{}}
>
> nonsense ...

No, it's not All above is needed if You want to insert an __ERT__ 
with \thanks, which contains a formatted url, i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Please note I referred to a solution with an ERT!!

If you don't believe me, please try to insert the following:
The preamble (doctype: article):
\usepackage{url}
The document:
Bla bla bla [As Style "Title"]
\thanks{Bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] [as ERT}: 

If you now try to produce an output (crtl+d) it JUST WON'T WORK!! Your 
document will just cause several LaTeX errors.

> -- insert the title or author with LyX as usual
> -- insert a footnote with LyX as usual, it is converted into a thanks
> -- insert an url _with LyX_ as usual
> there is noo need for ERT

This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt! But 
because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a footnote 
directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure out a solution 
of my own (why on earth would I have posted my question if I had known 
the answer). 

Kind regards,
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Herbert Voss]

K. Elo wrote:

This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt! But 
because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a footnote 
directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure out a solution 
of my own (why on earth would I have posted my question if I had known 
the answer). 


A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}

Herbert
#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
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\textclass article
\begin_preamble
\newcommand\firstL{2pt}
\newcommand\Abstand{2pt}
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@width\headwidth \vskip\Abstand%
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@width\headwidth \vskip-\headrulewidth}}%
\end_preamble
\language icelandic
\inputencoding latin1
\fontscheme default
\graphics default
\paperfontsize 10
\spacing single 
\papersize a4paper
\paperpackage 
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 1
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\paperwidth 17cm
\paperheight 22cm
\leftmargin 1.2cm
\topmargin 1.4cm
\rightmargin 1.7cm
\bottommargin 1.4cm
\headsep 1cm
\secnumdepth 4
\tocdepth 4
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language german
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 2
\paperpagestyle fancy

\layout Title

foo
\begin_inset Foot
collapsed false

\layout Standard

a footnote 
\begin_inset LatexCommand [EMAIL PROTECTED]

\end_inset 


\end_inset 


\layout Author

bar
\begin_inset Foot
collapsed true

\layout Standard

Another footnote for 
\begin_inset LatexCommand [EMAIL PROTECTED]

\end_inset 


\end_inset 


\layout Section

Thanks with urls
\layout Standard

foo bar baz
\the_end

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Herbert Voss, 11.12.2005 22:58:
> K. Elo wrote:
> > This is exactly what Charles suggested - and this works, no doubt!
> > But because I did NOT know LyX being smart enough to interpret a
> > footnote directly after a title as \thanks, I just had to figure
> > out a solution of my own (why on earth would I have posted my
> > question if I had known the answer).
>
> A thanks has to placed _inside_ a title or author and _not_
> outside. If you want something only appear in the footnote
> without a footnotemark, then use \footnotetext[]{...}

Well, THIS is clear to me :)

What I was referring to were the problems with inserting an ERT 
containing the LaTeX command \thanks, which should contain a url, i.e. 
Insert->ERT, \thanks{bla bla bla [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't work! The 
solution You and Charles mentioned is a working LyX-solution. The 
solution I suggested is a LaTeX-style solution with LyX. Both works, 
although yours is a bit more elegant...

I have attached two files the first (test-1.lyx) containg the 
non-working, the second (test-2.lyx) containg the working solution with 
a url within \thanks in an ERT.

Cheers,
Kimmo


test-1.lyx
Description: application/lyx


test-2.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: Footnotes problem

[Charles de Miramon]

K. Elo wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
 Kimmo,

 Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
  1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e.
  bla bla bla*
  2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
  Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

 What about something like

 \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
 the LyX community.}

No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title, LyX is
smart enough to format it as a \thanks.

Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet list in a
thanks footnote. It won't compile without some strategically placed
\protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet list in a normal footnote.
It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one are kept to oblige you to buy
fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)

Cheers,
Charles 
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org

Re: Footnotes problem

[Charles de Miramon]

K. Elo wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
 Kimmo,

 Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
  1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e.
  bla bla bla*
  2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
  Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

 What about something like

 \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
 the LyX community.}

No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title, LyX is
smart enough to format it as a \thanks.

Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet list in a
thanks footnote. It won't compile without some strategically placed
\protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet list in a normal footnote.
It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one are kept to oblige you to buy
fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)

Cheers,
Charles 
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org

Re: Footnotes problem

[Charles de Miramon]

K. Elo wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
>> Kimmo,
>>
>> Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
>> > 1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e.
>> > bla bla bla*
>> > 2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
>> > Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.
>>
>> What about something like
>>
>> \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
>> the LyX community.}

No need for ERT. If you insert a footnote at the end of your title, LyX is
smart enough to format it as a \thanks.

Beware, that \thanks{} is fragile in LaTeX. Try inserting a bullet list in a
thanks footnote. It won't compile without some strategically placed
\protect commands. Then try inserting a bullet list in a normal footnote.
It works. Bizarre behaviours like this one are kept to oblige you to buy
fat and expensive LaTeX manuals ;-)

Cheers,
Charles 
-- 
http://www.kde-france.org

Re: Footnotes problem

[Axel Dessecker]

Kimmo,

Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
 1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e. bla
 bla bla*
 2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
 Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

What about something like

\thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and the LyX 
community.}

as ERT?

Have a nice weekend,
Axel

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
 Kimmo,

 Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
  1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e.
  bla bla bla*
  2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
  Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

 What about something like

 \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
 the LyX community.}

 as ERT?


Yes, this works. Quite interesting the TLC2e does not even mention this 
command...

Have a nice weekend / schönes Wochenende
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Axel Dessecker]

Kimmo,

Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
 1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e. bla
 bla bla*
 2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
 Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

What about something like

\thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and the LyX 
community.}

as ERT?

Have a nice weekend,
Axel

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
 Kimmo,

 Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
  1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e.
  bla bla bla*
  2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
  Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

 What about something like

 \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
 the LyX community.}

 as ERT?


Yes, this works. Quite interesting the TLC2e does not even mention this 
command...

Have a nice weekend / schönes Wochenende
Kimmo

Re: Footnotes problem

[Axel Dessecker]

Kimmo,

Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
> 1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e. bla
> bla bla*
> 2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
> Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.

What about something like

\thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and the LyX 
community.}

as ERT?

Have a nice weekend,
Axel

Re: Footnotes problem

[K. Elo]

Hi,

Axel Dessecker, 9.12.2005 19:50:
> Kimmo,
>
> Am Freitag, 09. Dezember 2005 15:27 schrieb K. Elo:
> > 1) The title should be followed by a footnote marked with *, i.e.
> > bla bla bla*
> > 2) All other footnotes should be marked with numbers (1,2,...).
> > Actually, the idea is the same as in TLC2e, p. 115.
>
> What about something like
>
> \thanks{The author wishes to thank his girlfriend, kids, pets, and
> the LyX community.}
>
> as ERT?
>

Yes, this works. Quite interesting the TLC2e does not even mention this 
command...

Have a nice weekend / schönes Wochenende
Kimmo