Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Am 04.03.2015 um 17:44 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: OK, can you start a new bug then (and if those two bugs are related, can you reference the other in each?)? Otherwise we might lose good information in emails. If we have a bug with everyone's findings then it is easier for a developer to look into fixing it. We only have a couple of developers who work on Windows (most of us happen to use Linux). One of them has not been active but when he shows up he might see the bug report. I doubt he will see this email though. This is now on: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/9442 thanks, sven
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Am 04.03.2015 um 17:44 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:38 AM, Sven Schreiber wrote: Am 03.03.2015 um 22:36 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: Thanks for your feedback. But I'm not sure if this is the same bug OK, can you start a new bug then (and if those two bugs are related, can you reference the other in each?)? Otherwise we might lose good information in emails. If we have a bug with everyone's findings then it is easier for a developer to look into fixing it. We only have a couple of developers who work on Windows (most of us happen to use Linux). One of them has not been active but when he shows up he might see the bug report. I doubt he will see this email though. Thanks for all the information, Ok I will try to open a new bug tomorrow and collect all the information that we have. cheers, sven
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:38 AM, Sven Schreiber wrote: > Am 03.03.2015 um 22:36 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Sven Schreiber wrote: >> This is good information to know. Can you put this on the bug report >> (which I paste below) ? Even though it is not ideal, workarounds give >> us information for tracking down the problem. Also, it would be great >> if you CC'ed yourself so that you will be notified if we need you to >> test something since you are someone who can reproduce the bug. > > > Thanks for your feedback. But I'm not sure if this is the same bug OK, can you start a new bug then (and if those two bugs are related, can you reference the other in each?)? Otherwise we might lose good information in emails. If we have a bug with everyone's findings then it is easier for a developer to look into fixing it. We only have a couple of developers who work on Windows (most of us happen to use Linux). One of them has not been active but when he shows up he might see the bug report. I doubt he will see this email though. Thanks for all the information, Scott
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Am 04.03.2015 um 14:35 schrieb James: I don't know if it has anything to do with the sleep mode, but my Windows PCs only get restarted every so often when the RAM cache requires a clean out. Sleep mode is never used as my PCs are effectively small servers, so they are always "on". That's interesting, so neither "sleep" nor "remote desktop" seem to be standalone causes. I have had similar problems and continue to have intermittent difficulties with the cut/copy/paste functions. Semi frequently LyX just "loses" the ability to use the clipboard. Sometimes ctrl+v doesn't work and in the lower left corner I get the message, "command disabled". Exactly my experience. Other times the copy doesn't actually copy/cut the /LyX content/ and it only copies/cuts the plain text equivalent content (i.e. if a math formula is copied then pasted, only the TeX code is pasted). Like you I then have to go into the Paste Special menu to do what I need, and possibly restart the program. Yes it seems that restarting Lyx helps -- not sure if it does every time though. I have a strong feeling the problem is the operation of the windows environment "virtual" clipboard. I thought in my case it was associated with using remote desktop applications. The remote desktop applications have to do strange things to get the Windows virtual clipboard to function between the host and remote PC. I have nothing conclusive to offer though. Neither do I, but something in Lyx must perform this "command disabling" that you mentioned, so my hope would be that one of the devels could figure out where in the code this happens... thanks, sven
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Sven Schreiber wrote: > > Thanks for your feedback. But I'm not sure if this is the same bug; the > original report talks about a reference not being pasted as such. OTOH he > (she?) says "for example". In my case paste (ctrl-v) simply does nothing. > Also the title of the bug is about sleep mode. That could be the case for > me, too (because obviously nowadays one does not restart the machine very > often, usually it's just put to sleep), but I'm not sure. I will try to > watch out if after restarting without going to sleep it works reliably. > > I've had a similar problem as you (if not the same problem) - see http://www.latex-community.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=25251 for a description. I don't know if it has anything to do with the sleep mode, but my Windows PCs only get restarted every so often when the RAM cache requires a clean out. Sleep mode is never used as my PCs are effectively small servers, so they are always "on". I have had similar problems and continue to have intermittent difficulties with the cut/copy/paste functions. Semi frequently LyX just "loses" the ability to use the clipboard. Sometimes ctrl+v doesn't work and in the lower left corner I get the message, "command disabled". Other times the copy doesn't actually copy/cut the *LyX content* and it only copies/cuts the plain text equivalent content (i.e. if a math formula is copied then pasted, only the TeX code is pasted). Like you I then have to go into the Paste Special menu to do what I need, and possibly restart the program. I have a strong feeling the problem is the operation of the windows environment "virtual" clipboard. I thought in my case it was associated with using remote desktop applications. The remote desktop applications have to do strange things to get the Windows virtual clipboard to function between the host and remote PC. I have nothing conclusive to offer though. James
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Am 03.03.2015 um 22:36 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Sven Schreiber wrote:
A work-around that usually works is right-clicking at the cursor (or caret)
position and choosing the topmost item "paste (previous selection)". But
this is slowing down the editing work considerably and is just what is
driving me crazy. BTW, sometimes pasting is working again out of the blue,
so it doesn't just seem to some utterly stupid configuration mistake.
This is good information to know. Can you put this on the bug report
(which I paste below) ? Even though it is not ideal, workarounds give
us information for tracking down the problem. Also, it would be great
if you CC'ed yourself so that you will be notified if we need you to
test something since you are someone who can reproduce the bug.
Thanks for your feedback. But I'm not sure if this is the same bug; the
original report talks about a reference not being pasted as such. OTOH
he (she?) says "for example". In my case paste (ctrl-v) simply does
nothing. Also the title of the bug is about sleep mode. That could be
the case for me, too (because obviously nowadays one does not restart
the machine very often, usually it's just put to sleep), but I'm not
sure. I will try to watch out if after restarting without going to sleep
it works reliably.
Yes, it is known and difficult to solve. See the discussion here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8695
Yes I remember having also come across that ticket, but then forgot
about it again.
Thanks for your feedback! Keep it coming.
I would be willing to do some testing, but that would require somebody
from the project ("bug owner"?) to provide systematic instructions what
to do exactly. The OSes where I can test easily are Win 8 32bit and Win
7 64 bit.
BTW, for a start I think it would also help if someone knowledgeable
explained what the different paste items in the keyboard shortcut
settings (Tools -> Settings -> Edit -> keyboard shortcuts, re-translated
from German) are:
1) clipboard-paste
2) clipboard-paste-simple
3) paste
4) paste (yes a second time)
5) primary-selection-paste
6) selection-paste
thanks,
sven
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Sven Schreiber wrote: > Hi lyx list people, Hello! I hope you stick around the list more often. Your feedback would be useful. > I have been a Lyx user for many years (remember the time when it was not > available on Windows natively...) and still think it's a great program. > > However, currently I'm mainly using it on Windows (both 7 and 8), and the > problem that often 'Paste' is not working is driving me crazy. I have read a > lot of archived discussions about this on the lists and also on other > forums, but ultimately the solutions like redefining keyboard shortcuts do > not work reliably. Given that I do not seem to be alone with this basic > problem, actually I'm surprised that there are not more complaints. I guess > that many potential users simply give up on Lyx as soon as they run into > such fundamental problems, which would be a pity. That would indeed be a pity. I consider this a very annoying bug for those who come across, which I agree is a substantial amount of people. > A work-around that usually works is right-clicking at the cursor (or caret) > position and choosing the topmost item "paste (previous selection)". But > this is slowing down the editing work considerably and is just what is > driving me crazy. BTW, sometimes pasting is working again out of the blue, > so it doesn't just seem to some utterly stupid configuration mistake. This is good information to know. Can you put this on the bug report (which I paste below) ? Even though it is not ideal, workarounds give us information for tracking down the problem. Also, it would be great if you CC'ed yourself so that you will be notified if we need you to test something since you are someone who can reproduce the bug. > And now the devels will ask me, what are your keyboard shortcut definitions? > (And I could answer, "cua".) But before you ask me that, please ask > yourselves, do you really think a tailormade solution to my specific case is > what is needed? Or should the simple copy&paste function not rather be made > robust and working out-of-the-box for everybody? The goal indeed is for copy/paste to work out-of-the-box for everyone. > Ok I'm curious whether this is a known problem that is simply to difficult > to solve or what the matter really is. Yes, it is known and difficult to solve. See the discussion here: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8695 > Thanks for your work on Lyx! Thanks for your feedback! Keep it coming. Best regards, Scott
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
On 4/03/2015 4:00 a.m., Sven Schreiber wrote: Am 03.03.2015 um 15:53 schrieb Margret Mueller: Hej Sven (and list!) I am not a super-experienced Lyx user (and will have some questions soon i m afraid) but I just finished copy-pasting my whole dissertation from word to lyx yesterday paragraph by paragraph with short cuts (ctrl c v) without programming anything (out of my capability range) i use windows 8 and lyx 2.1.2. maybe that is a factor - or did I get you wrong? However for me it worked perfectly..? Margret, I know that often it does work just fine -- if not I guess it would be a top priority for lyx development. So your example is not contradicting the problem. thanks, sven I'm another Windows user (before that XP and Vista) and don't recall problems with copy and paste (ctrl+c to copy, ctrl+x to cut, ctrl+v or ctrl+shift+v to paste). It wasn't clear to me, reading your posting, what exactly was not working. Andrew
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Am 03.03.2015 um 15:53 schrieb Margret Mueller: Hej Sven (and list!) I am not a super-experienced Lyx user (and will have some questions soon i m afraid) but I just finished copy-pasting my whole dissertation from word to lyx yesterday paragraph by paragraph with short cuts (ctrl c v) without programming anything (out of my capability range) i use windows 8 and lyx 2.1.2. maybe that is a factor - or did I get you wrong? However for me it worked perfectly..? Margret, I know that often it does work just fine -- if not I guess it would be a top priority for lyx development. So your example is not contradicting the problem. thanks, sven
Re: paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Hej Sven (and list!) I am not a super-experienced Lyx user (and will have some questions soon i m afraid) but I just finished copy-pasting my whole dissertation from word to lyx yesterday paragraph by paragraph with short cuts (ctrl c v) without programming anything (out of my capability range) i use windows 8 and lyx 2.1.2. maybe that is a factor - or did I get you wrong? However for me it worked perfectly..? Best, Margret 2015-03-03 15:37 GMT+01:00 Sven Schreiber : > Hi lyx list people, > > I have been a Lyx user for many years (remember the time when it was not > available on Windows natively...) and still think it's a great program. > > However, currently I'm mainly using it on Windows (both 7 and 8), and the > problem that often 'Paste' is not working is driving me crazy. I have read > a lot of archived discussions about this on the lists and also on other > forums, but ultimately the solutions like redefining keyboard shortcuts do > not work reliably. Given that I do not seem to be alone with this basic > problem, actually I'm surprised that there are not more complaints. I guess > that many potential users simply give up on Lyx as soon as they run into > such fundamental problems, which would be a pity. > > A work-around that usually works is right-clicking at the cursor (or > caret) position and choosing the topmost item "paste (previous selection)". > But this is slowing down the editing work considerably and is just what is > driving me crazy. BTW, sometimes pasting is working again out of the blue, > so it doesn't just seem to some utterly stupid configuration mistake. > > So from my point of view lyx is trying to offer a sophisticated internal > clipboard with more than just the last copied item, and the keyboard > shortcut dialog (in settings) is showing me a whopping 6 partly different > entries when I search for "paste", but the simple copy&paste from the time > of the first 1984 Macintosh is not working -- (sorry for the rant, but > couldn't resist). > > And now the devels will ask me, what are your keyboard shortcut > definitions? (And I could answer, "cua".) But before you ask me that, > please ask yourselves, do you really think a tailormade solution to my > specific case is what is needed? Or should the simple copy&paste function > not rather be made robust and working out-of-the-box for everybody? > > Ok I'm curious whether this is a known problem that is simply to difficult > to solve or what the matter really is. > > Thanks for your work on Lyx! > > cheers, > sven > > > -- __ Margret Mueller PhD Student Political Communication FU Berlin 0049 176 842 787 22
paste problem (on Win 7 and 8)
Hi lyx list people, I have been a Lyx user for many years (remember the time when it was not available on Windows natively...) and still think it's a great program. However, currently I'm mainly using it on Windows (both 7 and 8), and the problem that often 'Paste' is not working is driving me crazy. I have read a lot of archived discussions about this on the lists and also on other forums, but ultimately the solutions like redefining keyboard shortcuts do not work reliably. Given that I do not seem to be alone with this basic problem, actually I'm surprised that there are not more complaints. I guess that many potential users simply give up on Lyx as soon as they run into such fundamental problems, which would be a pity. A work-around that usually works is right-clicking at the cursor (or caret) position and choosing the topmost item "paste (previous selection)". But this is slowing down the editing work considerably and is just what is driving me crazy. BTW, sometimes pasting is working again out of the blue, so it doesn't just seem to some utterly stupid configuration mistake. So from my point of view lyx is trying to offer a sophisticated internal clipboard with more than just the last copied item, and the keyboard shortcut dialog (in settings) is showing me a whopping 6 partly different entries when I search for "paste", but the simple copy&paste from the time of the first 1984 Macintosh is not working -- (sorry for the rant, but couldn't resist). And now the devels will ask me, what are your keyboard shortcut definitions? (And I could answer, "cua".) But before you ask me that, please ask yourselves, do you really think a tailormade solution to my specific case is what is needed? Or should the simple copy&paste function not rather be made robust and working out-of-the-box for everybody? Ok I'm curious whether this is a known problem that is simply to difficult to solve or what the matter really is. Thanks for your work on Lyx! cheers, sven
