Re: Screen curtain on iPhone

2014-05-10 Thread Chris Apple boy
I would put the screen brightness to 0 then adjust it where necessary. 
Screen curtain only puts a virtual curtain around your screen and 
doesn't affect how it contrasts.


On 10/05/2014 10:48, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello,
I am concerned about battery life on my ageing iPhone 3GS running the latest 
level of IOS 6 (IOS 7 does not work on the 3GS).
I know that reducing screen brightness increases battery life. If I set screen 
curtain on does that have the same effect as setting screen brightness to 0? If 
I set brightness to say 40% and normally run with screen curtain on I can 
easily toggle screen curtain off to show the phone content to a sighted person. 
However if normally setting screen curtain on in this scenario does not improve 
battery life then there is no point in doing this. Instead I would have to run 
with screen brightness normally set to 0 and to remember to temporarily 
increase screen brightness to show the phone to a sighted person.
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Be ware of the Tune-in update.

2014-05-08 Thread Chris Apple boy

Tunein and Radium are both internet radio apps.

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On 08/05/2014 05:02, Eleanor Martha Burke wrote:

what does the app do

Sent from my iPhone


On 8 May 2014, at 00:51, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

Tim, I really agree with you about Radium. I also have a Mac, and I enjoy the 
fact that I have my favorites on my Mac, iPad, and my iPhone. Radium is a great 
app, and they really do pay attention to accessibility related feedback.
Mary


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On May 7, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

Radium is another radio app made by Catpig Studios. it's a paid app for the 
iPhone that you can also get for the Mac  (a paid app there as well but your 
stations can sync across) that does online radio, as well as Sirius Xm and 
other subscription services. They're really good about adding stations and 
paying attention to their user base as far as accessibility with their app 
goes. I love OOTunes, but the developer hasn't updated it in a while, so not 
sure what's up there but I'm liking Radum more and more because I can use it on 
both my desktop and my phone and all my favorites are right there. Not sure if 
you use a mac or not but the phone app is nice Take a look. Hope that helps.

On May 7, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Laurel and Stockard laurel.stock...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Tim, what is Radium? I use Tune In almost every day, so I'm sad to see that I 
can't use the latest update.
Laurel

On May 7, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

Looks like Radium more and more on this end, Lol. I hate they broke it. Maybe 
they'll get it fixed but I think I'll use Radium more and more, Lol.

On May 7, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

'm not surprised. Tune in seems to brake things more then they fix. Looks like 
it's time to discuss this on applevis, again. Tune in will probably have this 
fixed in about 4 or so months. Not hat's not an exaduration.

Take care.

On May 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Geoff Waaler geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote:

Greetings y'all,

Not sure whether this is applicable to the free version, but today's upgrade to 
TuneInRadio Pro 6.0 succeeded in rendering this app completely unusable on my 
5S running IOS 7.1.1.  It will open and play the last station that I had on, 
but I can not play any other stations.  I tried selecting from my list of 
favorites and browsing them with the same result (or lack there of).  The 
pass-through (doubleTapHold gesture) does not appear to expose a menu.  If 
there is a way to play a different station i've not yet discovered it.  I 
haven't tried reinstalling TuneIn because I don't want to trash my favorites.  
If others are having more success with version 6, that will be my next step.

Best regards.
Geoff
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iOS browsers was Re: IOS 7, probably the most buggy I've ever seen yet!

2014-05-08 Thread Chris Apple boy

Hi all
Have you considered either Chrome or Instabrowser as your second 
browser for iOS? Granted you can't make them default browsers but they 
may work better with VoiceOver. I of course realize this is only a 
workaround and doesn't solve the current problems and so writing to

accessibil...@apple.com
is encouraged.


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On 08/05/2014 15:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi!

I’m finding web browsing with Safari to be an absolutely horrible experience on 
my iPhone 5. This has been the case through all versions of iOS 7 for me. 
VoiceOver will bounce all over the place, or is very sluggish at telling me 
what’s on the webpage when I navigate, especially when hitting landmarks. Quite 
often, too, VoiceOver will randomly bounce me around to different parts of the 
page when I’m just flicking through if I don’t know the design..

I can’t reproduce the bugs you mention here. It’s mostly performance that I 
have trouble with on my end.

Regards,
Nicolai

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Re: auto webspots on IOS

2014-05-05 Thread Chris Apple boy
Web spots are not available on iOS period. Maybe in a future major 
update who knows.


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On 04/05/2014 21:48, William Lomas wrote:

Hi all does anyone know if i can use auto webspots on iOS
just curious as to whether it would work

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Re: publishing to wordpress.

2014-05-04 Thread Chris Apple boy
Are you using Mars Edit to do this? I managed to publish both a test 
blog and a page successfully with this app.


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On 04/05/2014 04:47, Ian McNamara wrote:

Hello all, I have just created a blogg on wordpress and am trying to publish my 
first post. It is telling me what time my draft has been saved and i’ve set 
everything I wish to have on my post but when I click publish nothing seems to 
happen and it keeps saying that it’s still a draft.

How do I actually get it published.

Thanks very much.

Ian McNamara
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

2014-05-04 Thread Chris Apple boy
Did you know the stock Messages app can handle Facebook? Just set it up 
using the Jabba protocol and use

chat.facebook.com
as the server.


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On 04/05/2014 19:57, Laurel and Stockard wrote:

Hi all,
I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for the 
last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find a 
different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with it. I 
have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one that I 
use to connect with people from other countries online to practice languages, 
for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my name/identifiable 
information is not presented to people I've never met face to face. So, I 
already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, but I use it with 
my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I can't connect 2 
separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If somebody's found a way 
to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and can 
be used with facebook?
Thanks,
Laurel
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Re: publishing to wordpress.

2014-05-04 Thread Chris Apple boy
I would it's very good and looking at the trial seems worth every penny. 
Haven't bought it yet but plan to do so.


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On 04/05/2014 19:08, Ian McNamara wrote:

No, I will take a look at that app smily.

Ian McNamara
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Re: ditching adium, need app recommendations for Facebook chatting

2014-05-04 Thread Chris Apple boy
Yes it is being maintained still but I've heard the latest nightly 
builds the preferences are no longer as accessible as they used to be. 
But I am using the stable release so what do I know smile. Glad you got 
Messages to work.


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On 04/05/2014 20:50, Laurel and Stockard wrote:

Thanks Chris, I actually got it to work. :-)
The rest of y'all, I'm sorry for posting multiple messages, I just took awhile 
to get things to work.

As for Adium, I know some of you all use it and like it, but I just couldn't 
get the performance out of it that I wanted. Too many little Voiceover quirks 
for me to want to keep using it. Do y'all even know if this app is being 
maintained and updated anymore?
Laurel
On May 4, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


Did you know the stock Messages app can handle Facebook? Just set it up using 
the Jabba protocol and use
chat.facebook.com
as the server.


Regards Chris
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On 04/05/2014 19:57, Laurel and Stockard wrote:

Hi all,
I have been using the Adium messenger in order to do Facebook chatting for the 
last several months. I'm not satisfied with it though and I want to find a 
different app to connect to my facebook on my mac so that I can chat with it. I 
have 2 facebook accounts, one is my primary account and the 2nd is one that I 
use to connect with people from other countries online to practice languages, 
for obvious reasons, I have a 2nd account for that so that my name/identifiable 
information is not presented to people I've never met face to face. So, I 
already use facebook with skype, and that works quite well, but I use it with 
my primary facebook account, and last time I checked, I can't connect 2 
separate facebook accounts to the same skype account. If somebody's found a way 
to do it, let me know, but so far I haven't.
So, what other chatting apps are accessible with voiceover on the mac and can 
be used with facebook?
Thanks,
Laurel
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Re: Accessibility with Simplify

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Apple boy
Ar yes. It's called Blinkbox Music and is certainly accessible on both 
iPhone and iPad. It works like Spotify with a much cleaner and 
accessible interface.


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On 29/04/2014 06:27, António Silva wrote:


Thank You


António Manuel Silva
Universidade do Porto - Faculdade de Letras
iMessage: ant...@aminharadio.com
via  device

No dia 29/04/2014, às 00:21, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com 
escreveu:


There is a  new service which is accessible on apparently all platforms which 
Chris was advertising. This app comes  from Tesco. From memory I think it was 
called something like Blinkbos.

You could try
www.blinkboxmusic.com/
-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Stephens
Sent: 28 April 2014 23:45
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Accessibility with Simplify

Judging from the lack of response, maybe you should test it for us!  It’s a sad 
case when we can’t even access a premier music service on multiple platforms, 
or really reliably on even one of them!

On Apr 27, 2014, at 4:16 AM, António Silva amcsi...@letras.up.pt wrote:

Hello.
I am interested to an alternative player  for the Spotify. Somebody knows if 
the Simplify for MAC is accessible?

Thank You

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Re: Nicecast and Voiceover.

2014-04-23 Thread Chris Apple boy
Knowing Rogue Amoeba a resounding yes. They have a pleasant reputation 
for making all their Mac applications totally accessible.


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Hi Gang:

Is Nicecast compatible with Voiceover?

Thanks all over the place.
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Re: Dock oddities

2014-04-12 Thread Chris Apple boy
I'm confused.com. If I want an app in the dock all I do is highlight it 
in the applications folder and press command-control-shift-t.


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hi to all

in mac osx 10.9 we cannot seem to simply put an app on the dock directly from 
the apps folder, without having to open it first, to right click it, to tell it 
to stay on dock.
are we missing something?
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Re: Dock oddities

2014-04-12 Thread Chris Apple boy
Ar I see. Sorry for the confusion there. Well the only way I know to do 
it is:

1. Open the applications folder with command-shift-a in the Finder.
2. Highlight an application. This depends on the view you've set: icon, 
list or column. Applications have files ending in .app.

3. Press command-shift-control-t to add it to the dock.
Hope this helps.


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Chris, not everyone has your knowledge, hence the list.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy
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Subject: Re: Dock oddities



I'm confused.com. If I want an app in the dock all I do is highlight
it in the applications folder and press command-control-shift-t.

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hi to all

in mac osx 10.9 we cannot seem to simply put an app on the dock
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right click it, to tell it to stay on dock.
are we missing something?
regards
William


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Re: Connecting a Mobile Broadband to Mac

2014-04-11 Thread Chris Apple boy
I was going to answer this one but wasn't sure if they were asking about 
connecting to mobile broadband via a dongle.


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Find the wifi signle name if it is set to show up.  under the network part of 
the extras menu, then enter in your info when it asks for it. I do this so few 
times I forget as well.
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and about I want to avail of a mobile wi-fi which I carry around with me.  As a 
beginner, I cannot remember how I inserted my home broadband.  I can find this 
if I go in to Apple Menue and then the Menu Extras but what do I do to get the 
mac recognising the wi-fi and then I want to put in my new broadband.  In other 
words I am lookingfor all the wi-fis around me and then my mobile one will be 
there as I will have it turned on.
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Re: voice dream reader

2014-04-09 Thread Chris Apple boy
If you have Dropbox why not upload it to that then download to Voice 
Dream Reader that way?


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Dear listers

I have a daisy audio book on my mac mini that I want to transfer into voice 
dream reader.

I tried using the itunes transfer process and could see the folder the book was 
in, but the add button was dimmed.

Any tips gratefully received.
Ian
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Re: not notified of battery drain in mac 10.9

2014-04-07 Thread Chris Apple boy
On my Macbook Pro I get one single notification marked low battery. I 
don't know how low it is as I haven't checked the battery in the Extras 
Menu at the time.


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hi all is the battery notification now in 10.9 for the fact the battery will 
die in ten mins only on macbook air after 2013?
i haven’t got the right model if that is the case

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Re: Web Development

2014-04-05 Thread Chris Apple boy

Hi Gordon and all
I am trying Mars Edit and it is brilliant. It recognized my Wordpress 
account right away once I entered in the required information. I was 
able to post both a blog and a page, make edits to it and so on. I plan 
to buy it probably from the App Store soon rather than the developers 
themselves. So if you're going down this route I say way to go for you.


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Recently, the subject of website development was discussed on Mac Access.  This 
kind of set me thinking and I wondered whether anybody had got any joy out of 
using Sandvox?  This is, I believe, apple’s recommended application now, since 
their own iWeb is no longer available.  Many people talk about using Wordpress, 
and this is something I’m going to investigate while I’m on Easter holidays.  
Although not in the same way as some others, I plan to install it on a local 
server to see how it works.  Once done, I’m planning to install MAMP Pro in 
order to maintain several Wordpress sites on the same server.

Another application which may or may not have been mentioned as part of the 
discussion is MarsEdit.  This application which is available from a small developer 
called Red Sweater, http://www.red-sweater.com/marsedit/ is very definitely 
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very proactive and always keen to assist where he can.

Any thoughts anybody?

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Re: Web Development

2014-04-05 Thread Chris Apple boy

Hi Gordon and all
Ar ok that's the catch then, thanks for the advice. Will also check out 
Taco HTML Edit as am thinking of creating a website to publicize my 
groups on Emissives or something like that. It may also help me brush up 
my web development too. Thanks once again.


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Hi Chris

We have been using MarsEdit for years now, alongside other solutions such as 
Taco HTML Edit.  But I think to get the best out of MarsEdit you do need a 
WordPress account on some server or others.  We’re fortunate in as much as we 
do have the capability and capacity to install our own server and dedicate it 
to this type of thing so I think we will do this and as soon as I get around to 
doing it we will move our blog to our own servers.

But I strongly urge you to buy direct from the developer.  That way you can be 
sure of benefiting from their excellent support.

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On 5 Apr 2014, at 12:33, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Gordon and all
I am trying Mars Edit and it is brilliant. It recognized my Wordpress account 
right away once I entered in the required information. I was able to post both 
a blog and a page, make edits to it and so on. I plan to buy it probably from 
the App Store soon rather than the developers themselves. So if you're going 
down this route I say way to go for you.

Regards Chris

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On 05/04/2014 12:25, Gordon Smith wrote:

Hi all

Recently, the subject of website development was discussed on Mac Access.  This 
kind of set me thinking and I wondered whether anybody had got any joy out of 
using Sandvox?  This is, I believe, apple’s recommended application now, since 
their own iWeb is no longer available.  Many people talk about using Wordpress, 
and this is something I’m going to investigate while I’m on Easter holidays.  
Although not in the same way as some others, I plan to install it on a local 
server to see how it works.  Once done, I’m planning to install MAMP Pro in 
order to maintain several Wordpress sites on the same server.

Another application which may or may not have been mentioned as part of the 
discussion is MarsEdit.  This application which is available from a small developer 
called Red Sweater, http://www.red-sweater.com/marsedit/ is very definitely 
worth a look and, if you’re able, supporting.  The guy who develops the software is 
very proactive and always keen to assist where he can.

Any thoughts anybody?

Kindest regards

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Re: Track Pad Settings

2014-03-26 Thread chris Apple Boy
Yes. Just disable all the keystrokes for Mission Control.
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On 26 Mar 2014, at 08:18, Ben J Bloomgren bbloomg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Is there a way to disable the mission control without disabling the dashboard.
 
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 On Mar 26, 2014, at 1:15, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Eleanor,
 
 Mission Control is a way of managing open applications and organising them 
 into Spaces. Since VoiceOver does not take account of Spaces (groups of 
 applications used together for a given task), Mission Control is useless to 
 us. So this is why I disable Mission Control on my computer.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 26 Mar 2014, at 09:04, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 fair point but do I not need mission control
 
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Re: Track Pad Settings

2014-03-26 Thread chris Apple Boy
No as it's for managing other windows. I don't find it the least useful but 
that's just me who soly relies on VoiceOver. Maybe those with vision may 
disagree on this.
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On 26 Mar 2014, at 08:04, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 fair point but do I not need mission control
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 26 Mar 2014, at 08:02, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 1. Open System Preferences.
 2. Click on Mission Control.
 3. Disable all the keyboard shortcuts by setting them all to - (dash) which 
 appears at the bottom of each of the popup buttons.
 By doing this you have effectively disabled Mission Control and the 
 Dashboard.
 Hope this helps.
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 I am wondering if I have problems with my track pad as sometimes I can be 
 executing a command and next thing I get time machine or calandar or dash 
 board come up and I have not given a command to bring them up.  Trying to 
 get back out of them by esc or trying to close them is impossible too.  I 
 can't even move to the app I was in by pressing command and tab.  Thoughts 
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Re: Track Pad Settings

2014-03-26 Thread chris Apple Boy
Open the Dashboard and then open the Window Chooser menu it should be in there.
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On 26 Mar 2014, at 14:46, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Right… Where is the widget manager?
 
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 You would go in to widget manager then choose the widgets you want to delete 
  or disable by checking or unchecking the boxes then tab to the disable 
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Re: Track Pad Settings

2014-03-26 Thread chris Apple Boy
And how do you install this Widget Manager?
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On 26 Mar 2014, at 20:49, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 First you have to install widget manager. Next go in to system preferences 
 then go to widget manager then choose the widgets you want to disable or 
 delete then tab to the move to trash or disable button. Widgets are like 
 iCons to applications such as weather and other apps.
 On Mar 26, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Margaret margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 How do you get into widget manager? Can you explain exactly what widget is 
 used for. I have seen posts talking about widget manager but I have never 
 worked out what it is all about. 
 
 Margaret 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 delete  or disable by checking or unchecking the boxes then tab to the 
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Re: Chrome Web Store - ChromeVox

2014-03-21 Thread Chris Apple boy

Hi all
Can we use Os X's system voice with ChromeVox? I have it set to British 
English Daniel. Thanks!


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On 21/03/2014 01:49, JAKE JOEHL wrote:

Hi everyone. I’ve been playing around with Chromevox a bit, and I love it. I 
just found the Google American-English voice, I think Grizelda is her name. She 
doesn’t sound that bad. A bit snobbish perhaps, but I still like her. I wonder 
if she has any relation to Grizelda of the now-defunct eVoice? I’m going to 
play with Chromevox some more, but I think Google really did a nice job with it 
and I told them so over in one of their discussion groups.
Jake




On Mar 18, 2014, at 6:11 PM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:


Hi everyone. I’m trying to install Chromevox but I think I’m a bit lost. The 
Chromevox website at http://www.chromevox.com  says to activate the “Add to 
Chrome” button, but I’m not finding that. Where might I be going astray here?  
Here is where I went to try and get Chromevox.
Jake

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn





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Re: Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-20 Thread Chris Apple boy
Vo-shift-space will accomplish a left click. Didn't know about the other 
one other than it opened a contextual menu but vo-shift-m will do a 
control click, the mac equivalent to right click.


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On 19/03/2014 21:46, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK but I am thinking in terms of Windows and doing a right or a left
mouse click or is that not possible on the Mac?

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Vo-shift-space.

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How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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Re: Screen Capture

2014-03-20 Thread Chris Apple boy

Command-shift-3.

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What are the keys to use for a screen capture?
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy

Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy
No but I bet you left/right arrows the standard ones would work just the 
same or vo-left/vo-right arrows.


Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 16:42, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy
christopher...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
So am I. I tried one or two antivirus packages and just felt they weren't 
necessary at this time.
Regards Chris
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On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:44, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such 
 as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
It's free and open source.
Regards Chris
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On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:53, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Was it expensive?
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac
 
 
 I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found 
 some stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only 
 happened once but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun intended.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
 isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
 such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
 isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
 along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
I use Keyboard Commander to do this. No other screen reader that I know of has 
this awesome little feature.
Regards Chris
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On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:07, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
 Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
 Or is there an easy way to open its window?
 
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Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
No. Open VoiceOver Utility, select commanders in the categories table and 
select the keyboard commander tab. 
Regards Chris
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On 19 Mar 2014, at 20:02, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Where is keyboard command?  I don’t see it under system preferences.  I 
 looked under keyboard and I see modifiers.  Is that it?
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:13 PM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use Keyboard Commander to do this. No other screen reader that I know of 
 has this awesome little feature.
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:07, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 
 Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
 Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
 Or is there an easy way to open its window?
 
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Re: Recording on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy

It is but sometimes you have to think it may be worth every penny.

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On 19/03/2014 21:39, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Very expensive app though Chris.
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Subject: Re: Recording on Mac



Yes amadeus Pro is a mac app and I bought it from the App Store a few
weeks ago after both recommendations on this list and my own usage of
the free trial one can download from the developer's website.
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On 12 Mar 2014, at 16:08, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


This app is for the mac.
On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Eleanor Burke
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Is this app just for the Mac or for iOS devices generally?  How
accessable is it?
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I think you can use amadeus pro for recording.
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I am looking for an app which will allow me to record a radio
programme going out in real time.  On my Windows machine I have
Total Recorder but do not know if there is something similar for Mac.
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Re: Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy

Vo-shift-space.

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On 19/03/2014 21:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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Re: Item Chooser turning VO off

2014-03-18 Thread Chris Apple boy
Use web rotor instead vo-u. I get something almost the same if I press 
vo-command-n when in an open message in Mail. It simply crashes and 
restarts VoiceOver!


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On 18/03/2014 02:09, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

When I am in Safari, not all but some times, if I want to use the item chooser, I will 
press vo+i and after a short time of busy, the Mac will say, welcome to Mac OS 10; 
Voiceover is running. There is no item chooser list. I'm not sure if it makes a 
difference how many items are on a page, but I think the more items, the more likely it 
is to happen. Does anyone know why this is happening? It makes dealing with some very 
important sites on the web very difficult.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Adium as of today

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy
That's not good enough. Three months without a fix? Surely this can be 
fixed quicker than that.


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On 17/03/2014 01:53, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh trust me they are quite broken, have been for the past 3 months worth of 
nightly builds. I have not done a complete reset of the app  to see if that 
would clear it, but here you go.

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1996585

I hope this can get looked at.

Take care to all and enjoy.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Christopher gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


What are you having issues with within the prefs?  They read perfectly fine 
here last I looked, but then again, I'm not on the nightly build.

Chris.

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it works, how ever the prefs don't read well at all. I'm using the nightly 
build btw. but yeah it works even  better then before.

Take care.
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How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't like the 
system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. If they're 
connected then to me they're online or in some other status other than offline 
so don't need to know whether they're connected as well as their actual status. 
As a result I gave up on it. Any comments greatly appreciated.
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Re: Adium as of today

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy
You're never going to believe this but Firefox on the other platform 
called this website untrusted. Lol!


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On 17/03/2014 00:46, Christopher gilland wrote:

It's free, and no.

go to:

http://www.adiumx.com

Chris.

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Subject: Re: Adium as of today



Is Adium available through the Mac app store?  How much does it cost?
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Subject: Re: Adium as of today



Adium I use all the time. I have it set up so when a new chat comes in
from a different person, I am alerted. Since I can have up to 5 to 8
conversations going a time. It is important I know who has just
updated or
pinged me. No other IM does this sort of thing.

It is all configurable and is one of the best IM chats on the market.

Sean


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wrote:


True and yes I probably did. Will have to do some more investigating I
guess. Now I'm not so new to the mac I may just give it another go.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 08:18, Josh Gregory wrote:

No offense meant but you must've set that up yourself, it doesn't come
like that by default

Sent from my iPhone


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christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but
didn't
like the system voice announcing when someone is connected then
online.
If they're connected then to me they're online or in some other
status
other than offline so don't need to know whether they're connected as
well as their actual status. As a result I gave up on it. Any
comments
greatly appreciated.
--
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Re: Adium as of today

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy
It's sorted now thanks to my own messing. Turned out I had it speak when 
contact returns from away and or idle causing it to say contact become 
active which I didn't really want. What I'd like to see though is the 
ability to preview what will be spoken for that event. It's all very 
well having it speak the event aloud but what will it actually say? We 
don't know till it actually happens. Now as for sounds they play just 
fine in the events table. Otherwise I like it and consider using it full 
time if I choose not to use Skype.


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On 17/03/2014 00:44, Christopher gilland wrote:

I never have had that problem, ever.  You have to be sure that you set
your events up correctly, but as long as you do that, it works very very
well.

Chris.

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Subject: Adium as of today



How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't
like the system voice announcing when someone is connected then
online. If they're connected then to me they're online or in some
other status other than offline so don't need to know whether they're
connected as well as their actual status. As a result I gave up on it.
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy
I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the name. 
I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can use the 
VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by words or 
characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just so awesome 
and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use it one handed 
thanks to quicknav.


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On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
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You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

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On 16/03/2014 20:29, Eleanor Burke wrote:

OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
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Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

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On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: VO not announcingfolders in mail

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy

Look in the view menu I saw option to expand or collapse in there.

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On 16/03/2014 23:15, JAKE JOEHL wrote:

I am getting the “expanded” and collapsed” messages spoken by VoiceOver. But 
what I’m wondering is this. Is there a setting that will permanently expand the 
messages conversations? I’ve looked but can’t find anything to that effect.
Jake
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On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:


Are you sure it is not saying expanded and collapsed? normally if it odes that 
you know there are subfolders and stuff.

Take care.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com wrote:


Running Mavericks,
as I go through my mail boxes it does not announce if there are sub boxes 
within the boxes or folders.

Fortunately, I know which ones do then I right arrow to open it up.
left arrow to close.

How can I get this info each timeas not all mail boxes do this?

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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy
To use the rotor press up-left arrows or up-right arrows together until 
it says words or characters. To navigate simply use the up or down arrow 
keys, not together but individually.


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On 17/03/2014 11:03, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I use quick nav for words and characters?
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

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On 16/03/2014 23:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Are you saying I can use quick nav instead of using the locked vo keys?
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see
what I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in
VoiceOver Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.

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OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can
only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

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Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I
open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the
voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

2014-03-17 Thread Chris Apple boy
There's no button anywhere in this window. You should however be able to 
start keyboard help with vo-k from within a web page. To stop keyboard 
help press escape.


Regards Chris

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On 17/03/2014 11:00, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi Colin, I checked the below and single character is checked.  Is there
anything I need to do with the button?

Eleanor
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Hi!
Also to help you can turn on single key navigation!
And lots of keys do things like H, for headings and 1,2, 3 through to
6 will move through heading levels 1 to 6!
If that is useful to you!
Hi!
OK 1, open Voice over utility VO+f8.
2, then press command+8 to take you to commanders.
3 Arrow across to quickNav tab and select it.
4, There you will find the check box to start single key navigation
and a button to show info about what key does what!
HTH Colin.
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I'm saying that yes. But quicknav is only for navigation hence the
name. I also forgot to mention that with quicknav turned on you can
use the VoiceOver rotor from the keyboard and for example navigate by
words or characters even if it's text you can't manipulate. It's just
so awesome and makes using the mac overall a breeze as I can just use
it one handed thanks to quicknav.

Regards Chris


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Re: Adium as of today

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Apple boy
True and yes I probably did. Will have to do some more investigating I 
guess. Now I'm not so new to the mac I may just give it another go.


Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 08:18, Josh Gregory wrote:

No offense meant but you must've set that up yourself, it doesn't come like 
that by default

Sent from my iPhone


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How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't like the 
system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. If they're 
connected then to me they're online or in some other status other than offline 
so don't need to know whether they're connected as well as their actual status. 
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Apple boy
Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock 
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know. To 
save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with 
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.


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Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my
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Re: Adium as of today

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Apple boy
Hope you told the devs of this as the stable release the prefs read very 
well here.


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On 16/03/2014 18:19, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

it works, how ever the prefs don't read well at all. I'm using the nightly 
build btw. but yeah it works even  better then before.

Take care.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:13 AM, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


How is Adium as of today? The last time I used it it was ok but didn't like the 
system voice announcing when someone is connected then online. If they're 
connected then to me they're online or in some other status other than offline 
so don't need to know whether they're connected as well as their actual status. 
As a result I gave up on it. Any comments greatly appreciated.
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Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Apple boy
You can turn quicknav on and off anywhere but especially on web pages 
where navigation is far more logical. Give it a try and you'll see what 
I mean. Quicknam can also provide keys to navigate to various web 
elements but these are off by default but can be turned on in VoiceOver 
Utility, commanders, quicknav tab.


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OK now I am not quite following you Chris, I know about quick nav but
are you saying toggle it on and off as and when?  I guess I can only get
to know when I have to have it on and when to turn it off by trial and
error or can you give me a rule of thumb about it?
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy
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To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Clarification On Voice Over Keys



Whenever you lock the VoiceOver keys they remain so until you unlock
them. Whether this is reset when restarting VoiceOver I do not know.
To save even more keystrokes why not toggle quicknav on and off with
left-right. You then just use arrow keys for navigation.

Regards Chris

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On 16/03/2014 20:18, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Hi All, to clarify, can I simply lock the voice over keys when I open my
Mac and keep them locked for the duration? or do I just lock the voice
over keys when I want to do a command like interacting with a table
where it requires both hands?
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Re: Microsoft Messenger type app for IOS

2014-03-15 Thread Chris Apple boy
I got Facebook linked to IM+ Pro too. I just followed the instructions 
part of which is web based and it worked.


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On 15/03/2014 21:16, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

You use IM+ too? Can you have a look at the Facebook account settings, I'm 
curious to see what I'm missing when it comes to adding a Facebook account 
although perhaps there's something there that isn't accessible.

On 16 Mar 2014, at 8:08 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:


Yeah I would forget about microsoft messenger as it's now dead. I also use 
implus as well, it works very well and even integrates well with skype which 
you can use your passport account to sing in at.
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:


You probably won't find one given that MSN Messenger - as its termed - is no 
longer active.

I have an App called IM+ Pro here which is very accessible, it supports 
multiple types of accounts including MSN/Skype though lately I've not been able 
to add my Facebook account for some reason.


On 16 Mar 2014, at 7:44 am, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:


Hi,
I have a MS Messenger account that I have had for a long time, and I thought
I'd look for its app in the app store, but could not find one specifically
for MS Messenger.
Does anyone know of an accessible one for IOS?
Thanks.
Glenn

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Re: Microsoft Messenger type app for IOS

2014-03-15 Thread Chris Apple boy
Try reinstalling the app maybe it thinks the Facebook ap isn't there or 
something hence it opening the app store. Why Safari opened is anyone's 
guess.


Regards Chris

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On 15/03/2014 21:56, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Interesting, I was told to tap the connect to Facebook button and 2 things 
happened, the App Store opened at the Facebook App page along with Safari and 
the Facebook App itself, I couldn't get any further than that - meaning that I 
couldn't get IM+ Pro to add an account so I'm obviously missing something or 
doing something wrong.


On 16 Mar 2014, at 8:51 am, Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:


I got Facebook linked to IM+ Pro too. I just followed the instructions part of 
which is web based and it worked.

Regards Chris

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On 15/03/2014 21:16, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

You use IM+ too? Can you have a look at the Facebook account settings, I'm 
curious to see what I'm missing when it comes to adding a Facebook account 
although perhaps there's something there that isn't accessible.

On 16 Mar 2014, at 8:08 am, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:


Yeah I would forget about microsoft messenger as it's now dead. I also use 
implus as well, it works very well and even integrates well with skype which 
you can use your passport account to sing in at.
On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:


You probably won't find one given that MSN Messenger - as its termed - is no 
longer active.

I have an App called IM+ Pro here which is very accessible, it supports 
multiple types of accounts including MSN/Skype though lately I've not been able 
to add my Facebook account for some reason.


On 16 Mar 2014, at 7:44 am, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote:


Hi,
I have a MS Messenger account that I have had for a long time, and I thought
I'd look for its app in the app store, but could not find one specifically
for MS Messenger.
Does anyone know of an accessible one for IOS?
Thanks.
Glenn

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