Port update failure

2014-03-07 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

Just a quick message to say that there seems to be a problem (maybe
server side) with port update.

Error message is:

`Error: /opt/local/bin/port: port selfupdate failed: Couldn't sync the
ports tree: Synchronization of 1 source(s) failed`

If nobody else is getting this  it doesn't clear up, I'll file a ticket
with Trac.

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Re: Port update failure

2014-03-07 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 08/03/2014 04:34, Ludwig wrote:

 On Sat, 08 Mar 2014, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Hi, all.

 Just a quick message to say that there seems to be a problem (maybe
 server side) with port update.

 Error message is:

 `Error: /opt/local/bin/port: port selfupdate failed: Couldn't sync the
 ports tree: Synchronization of 1 source(s) failed`

 If nobody else is getting this  it doesn't clear up, I'll file a ticket
 with Trac.

 
 
 It works for me.

It now works for me too after leaving it for half an hour (third time
lucky).

Must've been a temporary network glitch. I'm forever getting broken ssh
pipes from remote glitches.

Thanks, Ludwig.

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Console Vim

2013-09-05 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi all.

Vim 7.4 is out  MacPorts's version is way behind (7.3.762).

Is 7.4 coming in the near future?

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Re: Console Vim

2013-09-05 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 05/09/2013 09:31, Rainer Müller wrote:

 On 2013-09-05 09:33, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Hi all.

 Vim 7.4 is out  MacPorts's version is way behind (7.3.762).

 Is 7.4 coming in the near future?
 
 Yes.
 
 https://trac.macports.org/ticket/40071
 
 Also, don't trust version numbers too blindly. Vim 7.4 is mostly a
 bugfix release. The only new major component is the new regex engine
 which you probably won't notice much in daily work.
 
 Anything else specific you need from the new version?

Hi, Rainer.

Well, there's over a thousand bug fixes according to Bram (admittedly
between 7.3.0  7.4.0), new regex engine, as you pointed out  a far
better Python experience to be had.

I was just puzzled that's all. I guess you're busy looking at the
ticket. No big deal.

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Re: Console Vim

2013-09-05 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 05/09/2013 15:36, Brandon Allbery wrote:

 
 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com
 mailto:phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, there's over a thousand bug fixes according to Bram (admittedly
 between 7.3.0  7.4.0)
 
 
 Most of which are probably in ours; have you seen the number of patches
 the vim port applies?

It's still 54 patches behind the current release. To see the full list,
visit:

https://code.google.com/p/vim/source/list

There's quite a few important fixes.

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port uninstall inactive

2013-08-14 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

On trying to run `port uninstall inactive' I'm getting:

`Unable to uninstall py27-distribute @0.6.43_0, the following ports
depend on it:
---py27-altgraph @0.10.2_0
---py27-dateutil @1.5_1
---py27-nose @1.2.1_1
---py27-pygments @1.6_0
---py27-pyobjc @2.5.1_0
---py27-roman @2.0.0_0
---py27-simplejson @3.1.3_0
Error: org.macports.uninstall for port py27-distribute returned: Please
uninstall the ports that depend on py27-distribute first.
Please see the log file for port py27-distribute for details:

/opt/local/var/macports/logs/_opt_local_var_macports_registry_portfiles_py27-distribute_0.6.43_0/py27-distribute/main.log
Warning: Failed to execute portfile from registry for py27-distribute
@0.6.43_0
---  Unable to uninstall py27-distribute @0.6.43_0, the following ports
depend on it:
---py27-altgraph @0.10.2_0
---py27-dateutil @1.5_1
---py27-nose @1.2.1_1
---py27-pygments @1.6_0
---py27-pyobjc @2.5.1_0
---py27-roman @2.0.0_0
---py27-simplejson @3.1.3_0
Error: port uninstall failed: Please uninstall the ports that depend on
py27-distribute first.`

py27-distribute has obviously been updated  I don't want to lose the
new version so how do I get 'round this predicament?

Any help appreciated.

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libgcc won't build

2013-08-12 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

Why is libgcc trying to install itself after `sudo port -v selfupdate`
when it's not installed in the first place  hangs the machine
interminably so I can't get any updates?

Any help appreciated.

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Vim

2013-08-11 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I was wondering seeing as Vim 7.4 is out when is the MacPorts version
going to step up from its current version of 7.3.762?

I have every machine upgraded (even Tiger) but not Snow Leopard via
MacPorts.

Any help appreciated.

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bash completion error

2013-05-12 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I've installed bash  bash-completion from MacPorts  when adding the
required line to my bash_profile to enable the completion as advised, I get:

'bash: [: 05b: integer expression expected]'

I've stared at it 'til I'm blue in the face but I can't see why it
expects an integer.

By the way this is on an old 800MHz G4 PowerMac running 10.4.11 that I
bought yesterday for a fiver if that makes any difference at all.

Any help appreciated.

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Re: bash completion error

2013-05-12 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/05/2013 12:49, Rainer Müller wrote:

 On 2013-05-12 12:28, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 I've installed bash  bash-completion from MacPorts  when adding the
 required line to my bash_profile to enable the completion as advised, I get:

 'bash: [: 05b: integer expression expected]'

 I've stared at it 'til I'm blue in the face but I can't see why it
 expects an integer.

 By the way this is on an old 800MHz G4 PowerMac running 10.4.11 that I
 bought yesterday for a fiver if that makes any difference at all.
 
 Are you using /opt/local/bin/bash? As stated in 'port notes
 bash-completion' you need at least bash 4.1. I don't know which version
 of bash shipped with 10.4.11 as /bin/bash.
 
 The bash_completion script tries to detect old bash versions, but maybe
 it's even too old for that check to work properly?
 
 Even on later versions of Mac OS X, your /bin/bash is too old as Apple
 left it at 3.2, the last version available under GPL-2 and later
 versions are GPL-3.

'bash --version' returns 4.2.42  is indeed /opt/local/bin/bash.

Must be down to the age of the OS. I can't even get any lscolors. May
have to edit a Debian bashrc to see if I can fix that.

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Re: bash completion error

2013-05-12 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/05/2013 13:23, Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 01:10:46PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 'bash --version' returns 4.2.42  is indeed /opt/local/bin/bash.
 
 Executing bash --version will not necessarily give you the version of
 the shell you are currently running, but only the version of the bash
 binary first in your $PATH. Try echo $BASH_VERSION instead.
 
 Also see
   http://trac.macports.org/wiki/howto/bash-completion

Many thanks, Clemens.

The version of bash being used was 2.05 so after following the
instructions in the URL everything is hunky dory.

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Re: Complier warning message

2013-04-03 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 03/04/2013 03:04, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 
 On Apr 2, 2013, at 18:10, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 I've just ran selfupdate  got this warning message:

 'Warning: All compilers are either blacklisted or unavailable; using
 first fallback entry as last resort'

 I last ran selfupdate twenty-four hours ago  it wasn't there.

 My gcc version is:

 'gcc version 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)' in /usr/bin

 Any ideas on why this error popped up  if any action is required on my
 part?

 I'm using the latest MacPorts on 10.6.8.
 
 Only ports can blacklist compilers; MacPorts base itself doesn't. So you 
 should not have received this message when running sudo port selfupdate, 
 but rather when running sudo port upgrade. Which port were you trying to 
 upgrade or build when this message appeared? The port in question may need to 
 have some fallback compilers added, until such as a time as MacPorts 2.2 is 
 released which includes more fallbacks.

No, I was running selfupdate  the message appeared before I ran 'port
outdated'

port outdated reported that only webp was available for upgrade when I
ran that after receiving the warning.

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Re: Complier warning message

2013-04-03 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 03/04/2013 07:17, Lawrence Velázquez wrote:

 On Apr 2, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote:
 
 Only ports can blacklist compilers; MacPorts base itself doesn't. So you 
 should not have received this message when running sudo port selfupdate, 
 but rather when running sudo port upgrade.
 
 Not quite. It's possible that a port which evaluates configure.compiler at 
 its top level has been recently updated to blacklist all Xcode 3.2.x / 4.0.x 
 compilers. The warning would then show up when the sync portion of selfupdate 
 evaluates that particular portfile.
 
 Looks like webkit-gtk fits the bill (r104778).

I haven't got 'webkit-gtk' installed. But running 'port deps webkit-gtk'
returns:

'port deps webkit-gtk
Warning: All compilers are either blacklisted or unavailable; using
first fallback entry as last resort
Full Name: webkit-gtk @2.0.0_0+video
Extract Dependencies: xz
Build Dependencies:   gtk-doc, pkgconfig, autoconf, automake, libtool
Library Dependencies: glib2, enchant, geoclue, gtk2, harfbuzz, icu,
libxslt, libpng, libsecret, libsoup, mesa, sqlite3, webp, xorg-libXt,
gstreamer1-gst-plugins-base'

so it seems webp is the culprit. I believe ImageMagick (which I have got
installed) depends on webp.

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Re: Complier warning message

2013-04-03 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 03/04/2013 07:44, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 
 On Apr 3, 2013, at 01:41, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 running 'port deps webkit-gtk'
 returns:

 'port deps webkit-gtk
 Warning: All compilers are either blacklisted or unavailable; using
 first fallback entry as last resort
 Full Name: webkit-gtk @2.0.0_0+video
 Extract Dependencies: xz
 Build Dependencies:   gtk-doc, pkgconfig, autoconf, automake, libtool
 Library Dependencies: glib2, enchant, geoclue, gtk2, harfbuzz, icu,
 libxslt, libpng, libsecret, libsoup, mesa, sqlite3, webp, xorg-libXt,
 gstreamer1-gst-plugins-base'

 so it seems webp is the culprit.
 
 webp doesn't blacklist any compilers, so it's not at fault.
 
 webkit-gtk is at least one of the culprits; there might be others.

I can post or attach a list of my installed ports if that'll help.

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Re: Complier warning message

2013-04-03 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 03/04/2013 08:48, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 
 On Apr 3, 2013, at 02:19, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 I can post or attach a list of my installed ports if that'll help.
 
 No need; as I understand it, the message appears anytime you merely access a 
 port blacklisting all compilers, whether that access be by portindex or 
 getting info on it or whatever.

So am I right in thinking that I can just go ahead  upgrade webp
without any disastrous consequences? Furthermore, according to port
installed, I, in fact, have gcc47 installed in /opt/local as well as
Apple's gcc from Xcode 3.2.6 in /usr/bin, so shouldn't the warning have
picked up that before throwing one? Or is that persona non grata too?

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Re: macports on linux

2013-04-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 02/04/2013 03:36, Peng Yu wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Linux packages are usually outdated. Since macports are usually
 updated, is there a way to install macports on linux (e.g. ubuntu).

As others have said, it'd probably end up being counter productive
trying to use MacPorts on Linux.

I use Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian  CentOS  find by adding the extra repos
(rpmforge  the like), you're covered for most things. Also, you can add
repo keys to appropriate extra software (frowned on by some).

If not, the old fashioned way of installing via a tarball is pretty much
the way to go. Linux is pretty much set up out the box to do this (after
installing 'Development Tools' or build-essential  so on) so it's
usually no sweat.

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Re: macports on linux

2013-04-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 02/04/2013 09:38, Niels Dettenbach wrote:

 Am Dienstag, 2. April 2013, 09:29:28 schrieb Phil Dobbin:
 If not, the old fashioned way of installing via a tarball is pretty much
 the way to go. Linux is pretty much set up out the box to do this (after
 installing 'Development Tools' or build-essential  so on) so it's
 usually no sweat.
 
 This is what pkgsrc uses as a interoperable solution (afaik there are some 
 pkgsrc peoples here within macports) BUT including a clean software 
 management 
 allowing clean installs, deinstall, rolling updates, feature management etc. 
 (as macport does on Mac only).
 
 If the stable stuff in pkgsrc is to old you may take an additional look 
 at 
 pkgsrc-wip where you find work in progress ports. 
 
   http://pkgsrc-wip.sourceforge.net/
 
 If you want software not existing in pkgsrc you may add it byself as under 
 maports too.
 
 A simple example on using / installing pkgsrc i.e. on CentOS:
   htttp://ohess.org/pub/using-pkgsrc-on-centos-55
 or Debian:
   http://ohess.org/pub/using-pkgsrc-on-debian-squeeze


That's a new one on me. Thanks, Niels, I'll check it out.

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Complier warning message

2013-04-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I've just ran selfupdate  got this warning message:

'Warning: All compilers are either blacklisted or unavailable; using
first fallback entry as last resort'

I last ran selfupdate twenty-four hours ago  it wasn't there.

My gcc version is:

'gcc version 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)' in /usr/bin

Any ideas on why this error popped up  if any action is required on my
part?

I'm using the latest MacPorts on 10.6.8.

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selfupdate fails: ghc gcc47

2013-03-25 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi.

Running selfupdate results in:

'Configuring zip-archive-0.1.3.4...
Setup: At least the following dependencies are missing:
mtl -any
Command failed:  cd
/opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_tarballs_ports_devel_hs-zip-archive/hs-zip-archive/work/zip-archive-0.1.3.4
 runhaskell Setup configure --prefix=/opt/local
--with-compiler=/opt/local/bin/ghc -v --enable-library-profiling
--with-gcc=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2
Exit code: 1'

Now I used to have ghc (haskell  haddock) installed but no longer do
but selfupdate keeps trying to install it on every upgrade  I'm getting
this error.

One other thing that is different also is that selfupdate installed
gcc47 when first running upgrade when before I only ever had Apple's
ancient version in /usr/bin.

I've tried to troubleshoot this but can't get past its insistence on
installing ghc (I take it by the look of the error message it doesn't
like /usr/bin/gcc-4.2).

Any quick fix for this would be appreciated. I have no use for ghc
unless MacPorts requires it.

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Re: selfupdate fails: ghc gcc47

2013-03-25 Thread Phil Dobbin
It's not installed. Neither are half a dozen other ports it keeps trying to
install which finally culminates in ghc (sorry for the ugly looking reply;
I'm using the abomination that is Google's Gmail interface).

Cheers,

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On 25 March 2013 14:41, Brandon Allbery allber...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.comwrote:

 'Configuring zip-archive-0.1.3.4...


 Why do you have this port installed? If you removed ghc, perhaps you
 should remove ports that require and are likely only usable by ghc.

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Re: selfupdate fails: ghc gcc47

2013-03-25 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 25/03/2013 15:13, Brandon Allbery wrote:

 On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com
 mailto:phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's not installed. Neither are half a dozen other ports it keeps
 trying to install which finally culminates in ghc (sorry for the
 ugly looking reply; I'm using the abomination that is Google's Gmail
 interface).
 
 
 Then I would wonder what you have installed via macports that requires
 it. There isn't a whole lot in the way of end-user ports that actually
 depend on haskell; only pandoc comes to mind offhand. (And xmonad, but
 that wouldn't pull in an archiver, whereas pandoc's deps likely do.)


Good call, Brandon: it was pandoc. I removed it  all's well. Job's a
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Re: Side effects?

2013-01-31 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/31/2013 12:42 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Jan 31, 2013, at 06:07, Ian Wadham wrote:
 
 On 31/01/2013, at 2:37 PM, Jeremy Lavergne wrote:

 It is routinely a GSoC project, and since we were not chosen last year it 
 has definitely fallen behind.

 BTW, does Macports have a nice safe GUI?

 If I knew what tools to use on Apple Mac, I might have a crack
 at it myself.  I have had quite a bit of experience with designing
 and programming GUIs, databases, SQL, Shell scripts and an
 in-house GUI-based build system where I used to work.
 
 The tools to use on the Mac are Xcode and a knowledge of Cocoa.
 
 You could always start by reading the code for Pallet, which is in our 
 repository. Or even fork Pallet and work on improving it, with either the 
 goal of improving Pallet or just learning enough about Cocoa and how to 
 integrate with the MacPorts Framework to begin your own GUI from scratch.

I've built several things in Cocoa on OS X after pulling them from
Github  still build my own MacVim using the same route.

On Snow Leopard, Xcode is pretty straightforward (I used 'Xcode 3
Unleashed' by Fritz Anderson as my guide in the first instance.
Recommended). I can't vouch for it on Lion or Mountain Lion though (I
unsubscribed from Apple's cocoa-dev  Xcode mailing lists some time ago
after the list went into a little bit of a meltdown over all the changes
brought about by Xcode 4).

What I will say for it is is that it's a hell of a lot easier than
working with the old Classic Mac OS although I still have a soft spot
for MPW (the Macintosh Programmer's Workshop). That was a nightmare 
nearly put me off code of *any* sort although, again, it was miles
better than Visual Studio...

There's plenty of documentation out there, so give it a try. I never
found a project/idea I could pursue so this one could be promising for
someone. What's to lose? :-)

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Re: ticket #37725 libnewt

2013-01-21 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/22/2013 02:54 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Jan 21, 2013, at 01:01, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 I've just filed the above ticket as libnewt fails to build.

 I filed a ticket against expect, Tcl  libnewt back in December  upon
 re-reading it, I noticed that Ryan suggested filing a ticket against
 libnewt which I've now done.
 
 I've resolved the ticket.
 
 FYI you don't need to send an email to the list about a ticket unless it 
 appears that we've forgotten about it. Give us a few days to discover tickets 
 on our own before posting to the list, and then send your mail to 
 macports-dev (which is where we discuss programming changes in MacPorts), not 
 macports-users (which is where we discuss how to use MacPorts).

OK, Ryan. I wasn't sure of the procedure. I shall do so in future.

Thanks for the update (I had seen it in an update email from Trac; I was
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ticket #37725 libnewt

2013-01-20 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I've just filed the above ticket as libnewt fails to build.

I filed a ticket against expect, Tcl  libnewt back in December  upon
re-reading it, I noticed that Ryan suggested filing a ticket against
libnewt which I've now done.

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Re: Apache start on login

2013-01-15 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/15/2013 07:15 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Jan 15, 2013, at 00:00, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Apache/2.2.3 from MacPorts

 What's the equivalent command to '# chkconfig httpd on' I have run to
 get apache to start at login?
 
 I'm not familiar with the chkconfig command, but if you want to start 
 MacPorts apache2 at login, then you would use sudo port load apache2.
 

Thanks, Ryan.

The 'chkconfig' command is the RPM (Red Hat/Fedora/CentOs) equivalent of
the init script 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start|graceful|stop' command
on Deb/Ubuntu distros  when it's installed by apt it automatically
starts apache on login (on RPM distros yum doesn't, so you have to use
the 'chkconfig' command to ensure it starts at login).

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Apache start on login

2013-01-14 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

Apache/2.2.3 from MacPorts

What's the equivalent command to '# chkconfig httpd on' I have run to
get apache to start at login?

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Re: Port failed

2013-01-06 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/06/2013 01:55 PM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 
 On Jan 5, 2013, at 23:54, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 I've just ran 'selfupdate'  one of the ports failed to parse with this
 error message:

 'Failed to parse file devel/libc-headers/Portfile: can't set
 depends_build: invalid depspec: coreosmakefiles'
 
 Fixed:
 
 https://trac.macports.org/changeset/101199

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Port failed

2013-01-05 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I've just ran 'selfupdate'  one of the ports failed to parse with this
error message:

'Failed to parse file devel/libc-headers/Portfile: can't set
depends_build: invalid depspec: coreosmakefiles'

I couldn't find anything similar on our friend Google so I thought I'd
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Re: apache versions

2013-01-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/03/2013 04:22 AM, Wes James wrote:

 I looked at http://httpd.apache.org/ to see where it is at versus macports.
 
 Some questions:
 
 The current macports version for apache2 is:
 
 apache2 @2.2.22_2+preforkmpm (active)
 
 on apache.org http://apache.org there is 2.2.23.  How does this
 compare with macports version regarding security patches?
 
 When will macports be updated to 2.4.x?

I can't answer your question but if it makes you feel any better, Ubuntu
12.04  12.10, Fedora 17  Debian Testing/Unstable are all running
v.2.2.22 as well (I've just destroyed my Spherical VMs in order to run a
new test tomorrow night  I can't remember the apache version. I'm also
waiting 'til the release to put it back on a physical machine).

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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-01-01 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/01/2013 08:13 AM, Markus Neuenschwander wrote:

 I switched back to MacPorts, because brew have to less packaged
 software. Now found an interesting project about native GUI applications.
 
 https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask#readme
 
 Can I install both on my MacBook Air?

I wouldn't recommend having both Mac Ports  homebrew (cask or
otherwise) installed  in regular use at the same time on the same machine.

For more info on the subject, check the list archives where you'll find
plenty of advice (just search for homebrew and/or /usr/local).

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Tcl upgrade failure

2012-12-30 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I've just ran selfupdate  it stopped at scanning binaries:

'Scanning binaries for linking errors: 9.9%
 Could not open /opt/local/lib/libtcl8.5.dylib: Error opening or reading
file (referenced from /opt/local/bin/expect)'
~


It then proceeded to throw errors on libnewt  expect  uninstalled them
 then uninstalled Vim (I had it compiled +tcl)  re-installed Vim
without tcl.

I've got the expect  libnewt logs. I should open a ticket I guess? A
quick how-to would be appreciated, I've never had the need to open one
before I don't think.

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Re: Tcl upgrade failure

2012-12-30 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/30/2012 02:08 PM, Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 01:53:33PM +, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 I've just ran selfupdate  it stopped at scanning binaries:

 'Scanning binaries for linking errors: 9.9%
  Could not open /opt/local/lib/libtcl8.5.dylib: Error opening or reading
 file (referenced from /opt/local/bin/expect)'
 
 So the port providing /opt/local/bin/expect should be revbumped after
 the recent upgrade to Tcl 8.6. You should file a bug for this.
 
 It then proceeded to throw errors on libnewt  expect  uninstalled
 them  then uninstalled Vim (I had it compiled +tcl)  re-installed
 Vim without tcl.
 
 So far that's expected to happen; however, it should just have rebuilt
 expect and all the other broken libraries. There should not have been a
 need to rebuild vim, unless the rebuild of a dependency of vim failed
 and it wasn't re-installed again.
 
 I've got the expect  libnewt logs. I should open a ticket I guess? A
 quick how-to would be appreciated, I've never had the need to open one
 before I don't think.
 
 Yes, please open a ticket. You can do that at
 http://trac.macports.org/newticket. Make sure to take a look at the
 Ticket Guidelines http://guide.macports.org/#project.tickets.

Hi, Clemens.

Yeah, looking at 'port installed', I can see the Tcl/Tk upgrade actually
succeeded so why it went ahead  uninstalled Vim  then re-installed it
again, I not sure (Vim's compile time options were +huge +cscope +perl
+python27 +tcl -ruby. It's now the same but minus tcl).

Thanks for heads up about Trac, I'll go file now.

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Re: Tcl upgrade failure

2012-12-30 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/30/2012 02:46 PM, Clemens Lang wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 02:24:58PM +, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Yeah, looking at 'port installed', I can see the Tcl/Tk upgrade
 actually succeeded so why it went ahead  uninstalled Vim  then
 re-installed it again, I not sure (Vim's compile time options were
 +huge +cscope +perl +python27 +tcl -ruby. It's now the same but minus
 tcl).
 
 Oh, I guess the vim binary actually linked against libtcl.dylib, so the
 rebuild was necessary. Vim should be rev-bumped if +tcl is in the
 default variants.
 
 Loosing a variant when recompiling shouldn't happen. From what I recall,
 I wrote code to specifically prevent this, which was later simplified by
 jmr. Maybe somebody who understands the way variants are evaluated in
 MacPorts could have a look at the code and see why this happens?

I'm on Trac at the moment having written up the ticket  can't seem to
be able to attach any log files (checked the relevant box but no attach
file radio button or indeed any other interface for the job is apparent).

Any clues?

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Re: Tcl upgrade failure

2012-12-30 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/30/2012 05:05 PM, Müller wrote:

 On 2012-12-30 17:51, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 I'm on Trac at the moment having written up the ticket  can't seem to
 be able to attach any log files (checked the relevant box but no attach
 file radio button or indeed any other interface for the job is apparent).
 
 If you check that checkbox, Trac redirects you to another form to add an
 attachment directly. You can also use the Attach file button after
 filing the ticket and it takes you to the same form. So this checkbox
 only spares you another click.

Thanks Rainer  Ryan.

I did consider that but didn't want to attempt it then have to chase it
back out the system if that wasn't the case (dealing with Red Hat's
Bugzilla has left me permanently scarred as far as tickets are concerned).

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Re: Tcl upgrade failure

2012-12-30 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/30/2012 08:51 PM, Lawrence Velázquez wrote:

 On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A quick how-to would be appreciated, I've never had the need to open one
 before I don't think.
 
 Wait, really? Color me surprised :P

No, really, it's true :-)

My MBP tells me that I started using MacPorts in September 2011  I'm
pretty convinced that this is the first time I've created a ticket for
something that broke (I've got around 200+ ports installed).

The odd thing about it was that I was just about to ask on list had
anybody had any luck compiling newt-python (python-newt, newt, whatever
you'd like to call it) so I could get the notifications on Byobu working
 the already installed libnewt went  broke before I could untar the
source tarball  lay keyboard to terminal (if I can get it working,
Byobu that is, I was going to try my hand at a portfile).

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Re: Please add Google Dart to MacPorts.

2012-12-16 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/16/2012 07:45 PM, Markus Neuenschwander wrote:

 On 12/14/12 3:23 AM, Behrang Saeedzadeh wrote:
 Would it be possible to add Google Dart to MacPorts?
 yet another programming language. Don't understand why so much lesser
 known Open Source languages.

It's the very nature  life blood of open source, I suppose.

Although I'm of the opinion that if you can't do it in bash, it ain't
worth doing[1], if not for all these lesser known (at first) languages,
then we'd all be still using C (or assembler or Fortran. If we did it in
Fortran, it'd be a hell of a lot quicker, what little we could do).

I must say I haven't studied Dart. Must go have a look sometime...

Cheers,

  Phil.

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Re: Fedora does MacPorts

2012-12-08 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/08/2012 06:56 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Dec 7, 2012, at 21:50, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 On 12/08/2012 03:32 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 On Dec 7, 2012, at 20:59, Phil Dobbin wrote:

 I thought maybe somebody might find this interesting:

 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Software_Collections_Guide/index.html

 Which part should we be looking at? In what way does Fedora do MacPorts? 
 I didn't see MacPorts mentioned on that page.

 No, it was more to do with the concept behind Software Collections.
 Disregarding the fact it installs into /opt, it looks a similar
 principle; a set of supplementary ports installed elsewhere in the
 system (in /opt) that do not clash with system stuff.

 It was all rather light hearted on my part. My apologies if that was not
 made obvious in my post.
 
 Ah I see. Well I'm not surprised by this, since that's the purpose of the 
 /opt directory in a UNIX system: to hold OPTional software. That's why 
 MacPorts uses a prefix under /opt.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure
 

Yeah, I covered all that in my RHCSA exam ;-)

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Fedora does MacPorts

2012-12-07 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I thought maybe somebody might find this interesting:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Software_Collections_Guide/index.html

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Re: Fedora does MacPorts

2012-12-07 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/08/2012 03:32 AM, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Dec 7, 2012, at 20:59, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 I thought maybe somebody might find this interesting:

 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Software_Collections_Guide/index.html
 
 Which part should we be looking at? In what way does Fedora do MacPorts? I 
 didn't see MacPorts mentioned on that page.
 

No, it was more to do with the concept behind Software Collections.
Disregarding the fact it installs into /opt, it looks a similar
principle; a set of supplementary ports installed elsewhere in the
system (in /opt) that do not clash with system stuff.

It was all rather light hearted on my part. My apologies if that was not
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XQuartz

2012-12-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I've read some very encouraging things about the latest version (2.7.4) of
XQuartz which is offered as a binary from their web site.

I'm just wondering if installing it will clobber anything installed by
MacPorts (I'm not concerned about any Apple update clobbering it as I'm
still on Snow Leopard  my Macbook Pro is behind a NAT router with no
ports forwarded so I don't bother applying the few security updates they
release
for SL nowadays anyway).

I've no specific X Windows stuff installed by MacPorts  only a few
incidentals that have been dragged along as dependencies  without
installing the binary I can't really tell where it's going to put stuff
but I'm hoping that it wouldn't be into /opt/local anyway.

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Re: XQuartz

2012-12-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/04/2012 11:32 PM, Jeremy Lavergne wrote:

 I've read some very encouraging things about the latest version (2.7.4) of
 XQuartz which is offered as a binary from their web site.

 I'm just wondering if installing it will clobber anything installed by
 MacPorts (I'm not concerned about any Apple update clobbering it as I'm
 still on Snow Leopard  my Macbook Pro is behind a NAT router with no
 ports forwarded so I don't bother applying the few security updates they
 release
 for SL nowadays anyway).
 
 If it's an installer package, you'll find Bom files. It's a set structure, so 
 you should be able to track down just what all is installed.
 
 xar works like tar, so you can list with -t or extract with -x into a 
 temporary directory.
 lsbom on each Bom file will show you what's going to be installed on each of 
 them.
 
 I've no specific X Windows stuff installed by MacPorts
 
 You're probably fine then, but check the file list with xar/lsbom.

Thanks, Jeremy. I shall install away :-)

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Re: XQuartz

2012-12-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 12/04/2012 11:45 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com
 mailto:phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've read some very encouraging things about the latest version
 (2.7.4) of
 XQuartz which is offered as a binary from their web site.
 
 I'm just wondering if installing it will clobber anything installed by
 
 
 It installs everything under /opt/X11, aside from specific launchd
 config files that do not conflict.  It *may* override a launchd
 configuration to run xorg-server from macports, but that's a non-default
 setup.
 
 (Also note that MacPorts' xorg server is the *same* XQuartz, by the same
 maintainer, so if you're using it then you do not need the macosforge one.)

Hi, Brandon.

No, I'm not using the MacPort's Xorg server so I should be OK.

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Bacula question

2012-11-13 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

If I issue 'sudo port install bacula +client_only' will that indeed give
me just the client only  not the director, storage, MySQL, etc?

I've Googled it but I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

I'm running the director on CentOS so I only need the client on OS X.

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Re: Bacula question

2012-11-13 Thread Phil Dobbin
Brandon Allbery wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com
 mailto:phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If I issue 'sudo port install bacula +client_only' will that indeed give
 me just the client only  not the director, storage, MySQL, etc?
 
 
 It gives you whatever building bacula with --enable-client-only gives you.

Hi, Brandon.

That's what I'm trying to ascertain. What does that give you i.e is it
the same as bacula-client  bacula-common?

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Re: Bacula question

2012-11-13 Thread Phil Dobbin
Frank Schima wrote:

 On Nov 13, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote:
 
 On Nov 13, 2012, at 16:46, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's what I'm trying to ascertain. What does that give you i.e is it
 the same as bacula-client  bacula-common?
 We don't have any port called bacula-client or bacula-common?

 Try installing bacula +client_only; see if it gives you what you need.
 
 I think Phil is talking about that on Linux. I believe the answer is yes. I 
 have not actually tried to install bacula without the +client_only variant 
 and so I'm not sure if the director will work on Mac OS X currently. At work 
 our director is on Linux and we have many Mac clients that successfully use 
 the bacula (+client_only) port - which I now maintain. 


Hi, Frank.

Yep, the only way I could try to get across what I was talking about was
using the parlance of Linux versions of the repo files I need. My
director is on CentOS so I just need the client files for OS X.

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Re: MariaDB vs MySQL for Wordpress CMS

2012-10-21 Thread Phil Dobbin
Markus Neuenschwander wrote:

 Hi
 
 MacPorts includes both MariaDB and MySQL. For a new web project with
 WordPress blog (1000 visitors / day) I need to decide between MySQL and
 MariaDB. I don't need official support. I googled and found old articles
 (weeks after buyout from Oracle) and biased info from AskMonty
 KnowledgeBase.
 
 What do you think? Did MySQL loose popularity in web projects (after new
 owner Oracle)? Do you know numbers about installation base?

I've never used MariaDB but if you're used to MySQL, I'd be tempted to
stick to MySQL 5.5.

MariaDB isn't in the repos for Fedora 17 or Ubuntu 12.10 (didn't bother
checking CentOS or Debian: if they ain't in Fedora or Ubuntu, I doubt
it's in CentOS or Debian) so it's can't be that prevalent yet so while
MariaDB may be the upstream of MySQL nowadays, it'll be a while before
the pure volume of help available for it gets anywhere near matching
what's on offer freely for MySQL.

And besides, if it's a straight drop-in replacement™, you can always
cross that bridge when you come to it.

Just my two bob.

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Re: Can pip be used to install python packages?

2012-10-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Peng Yu wrote:

 
 I remember it used to be the case that python packages has to be
 installed by port. But the problem is that python packages from
 macports are not very updated.
 
 Since there is py27-pip, can I use pip to install python packages so I
 can have the latest packages from http://pypi.python.org/pypi?
 

What I do is use pip (or easy_install) but I tend to use virtualenv 
keep everything out of the way of the system Python, etc.

Virtualenv seems to be the recommended way to go nowadays but I'm no
real pythonista so I expect somebody will point you in the right direction.

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Re: SSH Locale Error

2012-10-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
Jasper Frumau wrote:

 I keep on getting errors with Perl on my Dreamhost VPS Server (Debian
 Linux) Sample:
 
 !309
 ~/bin/psmanager.pl http://psmanager.pl check
 perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
 LANGUAGE = (unset),
 LC_ALL = (unset),
 LC_COLLATE = C,
 LC_CTYPE = UTF-8,
 LANG = (unset)
 are supported and installed on your system.
 perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).
 Check PsManager setup

[snip]

Try this:

`$ sudo apt-get update
 $ sudo apt-get install belocs-locales-bin belocs-locales-data

$ sudo vim /etc/locale.gen
# en_US ISO-8859-1
# en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15
# en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
# en_ZA ISO-8859-1
# en_ZA.UTF-8 UTF-8`

find the locale you need  uncomment it

`$ sudo locale-gen
Generating locales...
en_US.UTF-8 (or whatever you choose)... done
Generation complete`

That should fix it. If it doesn't, try:

`$ sudo apt-get install locales
$  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`

 follow the on-screen instructions.

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Re: Port re-index?

2012-09-23 Thread Phil Dobbin
Phil Dobbin wrote:

 Bradley Giesbrecht wrote:
 On Sep 22, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I ran selfupdate very late last night  it started what looked like a
 port re-index:

 `Creating port index in
 /opt/local/var/macports/sources/rsync.macports.org/release/tarballs/ports
 Adding port aqua/AppHack
 Adding port aqua/AppKiDo
 Adding port aqua/AquaLess...`

 I sent a SIGHUP when it got down to about:

 `Adding port devel/hs-tagsoup
 Adding port devel/hs-terminfo
 ^C`

 so this left me wondering wondering if this is a normal re-indexing of
 all ports?
 Yes, after port updates the ports tree (port sync or port selfupate) the 
 index must be updated to pickup changes to portfiles.

 Any help appreciated.
 $ cd 
 /opt/local/var/macports/sources/rsync.macports.org/release/tarballs/ports
 $ portindex
 # Depending on permissions you may need to use sudo portindex.
 $ cd ~-
 
 Thanks, Bradley.
 
 Yeah, I'm used to the port file being updated but this looks like
 *every* single port that MP provides.
 
 I'll just run it before lights out tonight  let it do its thing.

Just as a quick follow up to this, I did indeed run selfupdate at end of
play last night  it followed its normal pattern i.e. it didn't attempt
to run a full port index just the normal (truncated):

`sent 64 bytes  received 636 bytes  280.00 bytes/sec
total size is 512  speedup is 0.73
---  MacPorts base is already the latest version

The ports tree has been updated. To upgrade your installed ports, you
should run
  port upgrade outdated`

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Port re-index?

2012-09-22 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I ran selfupdate very late last night  it started what looked like a
port re-index:

`Creating port index in
/opt/local/var/macports/sources/rsync.macports.org/release/tarballs/ports
Adding port aqua/AppHack
Adding port aqua/AppKiDo
Adding port aqua/AquaLess...`

I sent a SIGHUP when it got down to about:

`Adding port devel/hs-tagsoup
Adding port devel/hs-terminfo
^C`

so this left me wondering wondering if this is a normal re-indexing of
all ports?

Any help appreciated.

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Re: Port re-index?

2012-09-22 Thread Phil Dobbin
Bradley Giesbrecht wrote:
 On Sep 22, 2012, at 8:09 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Hi, all.

 I ran selfupdate very late last night  it started what looked like a
 port re-index:

 `Creating port index in
 /opt/local/var/macports/sources/rsync.macports.org/release/tarballs/ports
 Adding port aqua/AppHack
 Adding port aqua/AppKiDo
 Adding port aqua/AquaLess...`

 I sent a SIGHUP when it got down to about:

 `Adding port devel/hs-tagsoup
 Adding port devel/hs-terminfo
 ^C`

 so this left me wondering wondering if this is a normal re-indexing of
 all ports?
 
 Yes, after port updates the ports tree (port sync or port selfupate) the 
 index must be updated to pickup changes to portfiles.
 
 Any help appreciated.
 
 $ cd /opt/local/var/macports/sources/rsync.macports.org/release/tarballs/ports
 $ portindex
 # Depending on permissions you may need to use sudo portindex.
 $ cd ~-

Thanks, Bradley.

Yeah, I'm used to the port file being updated but this looks like
*every* single port that MP provides.

I'll just run it before lights out tonight  let it do its thing.

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Re: port mirrors

2012-09-19 Thread Phil Dobbin
Chris Jones wrote:

 On 18 Sep 2012, at 10:45pm, Ryan Schmidt ryandes...@macports.org wrote:
 
 On Sep 18, 2012, at 09:35, Chris Jones wrote:

 Surely a better solution here is to figure out what is the issue with 
 themse.uk server, and fix that, rather than try and work around it.

 Could someone with the contact information follow this up ?
 The contact information is shown here:

 https://trac.macports.org/wiki/Mirrors
 
 Are you suggesting we (I) should contact them ourselves ? Surely this should 
 come from some 'official' MacPorts contact ?

I've no idea if anybody did contact mse.uk but their mirror is certainly
working with alacrity today. So, if anybody indeed did, thank you kindly.

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port mirrors

2012-09-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

For the last week or ten days or so
http://mse.uk.packages.macports.org/sites/packages.macports.org has
been extremely unresponsive; virtually always reaches its sixty second
time-out  just now didn't even get that far  I invariably end up get
the tarballs from http://lil.fr.packages.macports.org (I'm in London).

Is there a sources list where I can comment out mse.uk or change its
order or level or is this A Bad Idea?

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Re: port mirrors

2012-09-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:55:01PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Is there a sources list where I can comment out mse.uk or change its
 order or level or is this A Bad Idea?
 
 The list of package mirrors is defined in
   $(port dir nzbget)/../../_resources/port1.0/fetch/archive_sites.tcl
 
 Note that this file will probably be reset with every sync and/or
 selfupdate you run.

And that reads:

`set portfetch::mirror_sites::sites(macports_archives) {
http://packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
http://lil.fr.packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
http://mse.uk.packages.macports.org/sites/packages.macports.org/:nosubdir`

so is that's not in the order of mirrors polled first?

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Re: port mirrors

2012-09-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Phil Dobbin wrote:

 Clemens Lang wrote:
 
 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:55:01PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Is there a sources list where I can comment out mse.uk or change its
 order or level or is this A Bad Idea?
 The list of package mirrors is defined in
   $(port dir nzbget)/../../_resources/port1.0/fetch/archive_sites.tcl

 Note that this file will probably be reset with every sync and/or
 selfupdate you run.
 
 And that reads:
 
 `set portfetch::mirror_sites::sites(macports_archives) {
 http://packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
 http://lil.fr.packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
 http://mse.uk.packages.macports.org/sites/packages.macports.org/:nosubdir`
 
 so is that's not in the order of mirrors polled first?

Or maybe it's just been re-set after the last successful (just now)
`selfupdate`?

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Re: port mirrors

2012-09-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:55:01PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Is there a sources list where I can comment out mse.uk or change its
 order or level or is this A Bad Idea?
 The list of package mirrors is defined in
   $(port dir nzbget)/../../_resources/port1.0/fetch/archive_sites.tcl

 Note that this file will probably be reset with every sync and/or
 selfupdate you run.
 And that reads:

 `set portfetch::mirror_sites::sites(macports_archives) {
 http://packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
 http://lil.fr.packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
 http://mse.uk.packages.macports.org/sites/packages.macports.org/:nosubdir`

 so is that's not in the order of mirrors polled first?
 
 Or maybe it's just been re-set after the last successful (just now)
 `selfupdate`?

No, scrub that idea, I've just checked the time stamp on it (06/09/12).

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Re: port mirrors

2012-09-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Chris Jones wrote:

 Surely a better solution here is to figure out what is the issue with
 the mse.uk server, and fix that, rather than try and work around it.
 
 Could someone with the contact information follow this up ?
 
 Chris
 
 On 18/09/12 15:32, Brandon Allbery wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com
 mailto:phildob...@gmail.com wrote:

   Or maybe it's just been re-set after the last successful (just
 now)
   `selfupdate`?

 No, scrub that idea, I've just checked the time stamp on it
 (06/09/12).


 Timestamp may not prove anything; it may now be the timestamp of the
 last checked-in change to the file, overwriting your more recent local
 changes.

`ls -lc` does actually show that the timestamp for the file was modified
at the last selfupdate.

However, I'm more inclined to go with Chris's point  see if we can
resolve the issue rather than start writing bash scripts, etc to work
round it (unless, of course, someone wants to throw a quick hack
together: I haven't got the time right now).

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Re: port mirrors

2012-09-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
Bradley Giesbrecht wrote:

 On Sep 18, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 01:55:01PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Is there a sources list where I can comment out mse.uk or change its
 order or level or is this A Bad Idea?
 The list of package mirrors is defined in
  $(port dir nzbget)/../../_resources/port1.0/fetch/archive_sites.tcl

 Note that this file will probably be reset with every sync and/or
 selfupdate you run.
 And that reads:

 `set portfetch::mirror_sites::sites(macports_archives) {
 http://packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
 http://lil.fr.packages.macports.org/:nosubdir
 http://mse.uk.packages.macports.org/sites/packages.macports.org/:nosubdir`

 so is that's not in the order of mirrors polled first?
 
 IIRC the order is determined by ping response.

`$ ping mse.uk.packages.macports.org
PING www.mirrorservice.org (212.219.56.184): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.219.56.184: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=17.979 ms
64 bytes from 212.219.56.184: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=17.917 ms`

`$ ping lil.fr.packages.macports.org
PING macports.packages.ionic.de (87.98.244.45): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 87.98.244.45: icmp_seq=0 ttl=51 time=21.644 ms
64 bytes from 87.98.244.45: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=21.675 ms`

yep, looks about right.

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Re: Backups

2012-08-30 Thread Phil Dobbin
Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 On Aug 29, 2012, at 18:27, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 So if I `sudo cp -R /opt/local/macports` to a suitable location
 
 There's no such directory in a standard MacPorts install... There is 
 /opt/local/etc/macports, /opt/local/share/macports, and 
 /opt/local/var/macports.
 

Yeah, sorry my mistake. I left off the `/etc`

  use
 the ports installed file (I regularly take a snapshot of ports installed
 via `port -qv installed  myports.txt`) that should give me a head start
 in case alarm bells start to toll?
 
 By saving the list of installed ports, should your MacPorts installation 
 become so garbled that the port command can no longer run or can no longer 
 read the registry of installed ports, you could nuke your MacPorts install 
 using the uninstallation instructions in the Guide, and then use the 
 reinstallation script on the Migration page to reinstall the ports based on 
 the myports.txt file.
 
 
 I'll also study the migration page although Snow Leopard is where I get
 off the train as far as OS X is concerned.
 
 I mentioned the Migration page not because you're migrating between OS 
 releases but because it discusses how to reinstall a set of ports, which is 
 what you asked how to do.

Again, apologies. Still a bit miffed about the direction Apple have
taken as it's of no use to me. But I've been using a Mac since 1987 
I'm sorry to see our relationship end. Be a lot cheaper for me now
though :-)

Thanks to everybody for their help,

Cheers,

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Backups

2012-08-29 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I want to add the required MacPort's configuration files  directories
to my nightly local  remote scheduled backups. I've already got
everything in my weekly clone but it'd be handier just to have the
files/dirs needed to run everything again  put all my ports back in
place as they were if the need arose.

Could somebody give me the list needed to do this?

Thanks.

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Re: Backups

2012-08-29 Thread Phil Dobbin
Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 On Aug 29, 2012, at 18:07, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 it'd be handier just to have the
 files/dirs needed to run everything again  put all my ports back in
 place as they were if the need arose.

 Could somebody give me the list needed to do this?
 
 MacPorts doesn't really have such a feature, but there is a procedure written 
 about how to do that here:
 
 https://trac.macports.org/wiki/Migration
 
 There is also a script in the last section of that page automating the 
 reinstallation port. So in your backup, you'd want to perhaps automate 
 running port -qv installed  myports.txt
and saving that myports.txt file in your backups somewhere. Of course there's 
no guarantee that at a later time you'll be able to reinstall these particular 
versions of these ports again, 
if updates to MacPorts have occurred since you first installed them. Also, 
this won't save any files you've modified, like config files in 
/opt/local/etc; you should back up any such files yourself.
 

So if I `sudo cp -R /opt/local/macports` to a suitable location  use
the ports installed file (I regularly take a snapshot of ports installed
via `port -qv installed  myports.txt`) that should give me a head start
in case alarm bells start to toll?

I'll also study the migration page although Snow Leopard is where I get
off the train as far as OS X is concerned.

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Re: Backups

2012-08-29 Thread Phil Dobbin
Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:

 [ Phil Dobbin wrote on Thu 30.Aug'12 at  0:27:54 +0100 ]

[snip}

 So if I `sudo cp -R /opt/local/macports` to a suitable location  use
 the ports installed file (I regularly take a snapshot of ports installed
 via `port -qv installed  myports.txt`) that should give me a head start
 in case alarm bells start to toll?

 I'll also study the migration page although Snow Leopard is where I get
 off the train as far as OS X is concerned.

 Cheers,

   Phil...
 
 Couldn't you use traditional UNIX tools like dump/restore or dd to back-up 
 /opt/local?

I'm using rsync (actually Duplicity because the remote location is S3)
so it was the location of the files on my local drive to be backed up
that was the question not the method used for backup.

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Django virtualenv

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I'm getting:

`$ type virtualenv
bash: type: virtualenv: not found
[Fri Aug 24 10:52:03 dobbin@darkstar:~ ] $ type django-admin.py
bash: type: django-admin.py: not found
[Fri Aug 24 10:52:20 dobbin@darkstar:~ ] $ python
Python 2.7.3 (default, Apr 13 2012, 00:05:08)
[GCC 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)] on darwin
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
 import django
 print django.get_version()
1.5

[Fri Aug 24 10:54:06 dobbin@darkstar:~ ] $ type python
python is hashed (/opt/local/bin/python)`

My PATH is set:

`export
PYTHONPATH=/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/`

:

`$ python -c from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print
get_python_lib()
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages
[Fri Aug 24 11:14:32 dobbin@darkstar:~ ] $ echo $PYTHONPATH
/opt/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/
[Fri Aug 24 11:18:48 dobbin@darkstar:~ ] $ port select --list python
Available versions for python:
none
python25-apple
python26-apple
python27 (active)`

I had this working on py26 but I've since cleaned py25  py26 out  only
use 2.7.3 (all from MacPorts). I'm thinking somehow I've set PYTHONPATH
wrong but I'm at a loss to figure it out  our friend Google waxes
lyrically about the subject for days.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

  Phil...

p.s. I've tried all different nomenclature of django i.e. django,
django-admin, django_just_work_you_son_of_a_bitch  so on...

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Re: Django virtualenv

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Dobbin
Daniel Ericsson wrote:

 On 24 aug 2012, at 12:21, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Hi, all.

 I'm getting:

 `$ type virtualenv
 bash: type: virtualenv: not found
 [Fri Aug 24 10:52:03 dobbin@darkstar:~ ] $ type django-admin.py
 bash: type: django-admin.py: not found
 
 Do you have 
 '/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin' added 
 to your PATH?
 
 $ port contents py27-virtualenv | grep bin
  /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/bin/virtualenv
  /opt/local/bin/virtualenv-2.7
 
 $ port contents py27-django | grep bin/django
  
 /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/bin/django-admin.py
  
 /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/bin/django-admin.py
  
 /opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/bin/django-admin.pyc
  /opt/local/bin/django-admin-2.7.py

Hi, Daniel.

That did the trick. Now running:

`$ django-admin.py`

gets the desired result. Don't know if this mentioned anywhere in the
docs but if it isn't, maybe it should be. Probably at the tail end of
the install perhaps.

Thanks for your help,

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Re: textmate2

2012-08-16 Thread Phil Dobbin
Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:05:55AM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 I was just running `selfupdate` when I noticed textmate2 had been
 ported. I still use textmate 1.5 occasionally  having tried the
 binary of textmate2 from macromates when it was first Alpha  not
 feeling it was ready for prime time (which, being Alpha, is to be
 expected), have kind of forgot about it.
 
 TBH, I'm not sure it's much better at the moment. Development has picked
 up quite a bit in the last few days, but there's still quite a few bugs.
 
 I'd like to give textmate2 a run out but when running macromates'
 version, it meant moving textmate1's support folders (Application
 Support, Preferences, etc) in order not to overwrite them.

 Is there any way to use MacPort's textmate2 without going down this
 road?
 
 The current state of TextMate 2 in MacPorts is pretty much vanilla
 upstream; there's no patching going on, so I'm afraid you'll still have
 to do that, if you want to make sure your TextMate 1.5 support folder
 isn't changed.
 

Thanks for that. I think I'll leave it a little while longer. It's only
curiosity that's prompting me.

Cheers,

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textmate2

2012-08-15 Thread Phil Dobbin
Hi, all.

I was just running `selfupdate` when I noticed textmate2 had been
ported. I still use textmate 1.5 occasionally  having tried the binary
of textmate2 from macromates when it was first Alpha  not feeling it
was ready for prime time (which, being Alpha, is to be expected), have
kind of forgot about it.

I'd like to give textmate2 a run out but when running macromates'
version, it meant moving textmate1's support folders (Application
Support, Preferences, etc) in order not to overwrite them.

Is there any way to use MacPort's textmate2 without going down this road?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Why can't I select the Mountain Lion Python 2.7?

2012-08-09 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Samuel Halliday wrote:

 Nevermind, fixed this by updating my PATH
 
 export 
 PATH=/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/bin/:$PATH

I personally just have MacPort's python27 installed, use a variation of
that $PATH  use virtualenv for all things Python if I can. Clean,
efficient  if anything runs amok, easily detroyable.

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Re: OT upgrade

2012-08-07 Thread Phil Dobbin
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James Linder wrote:

 I'm using snow-leopard and everything works perfectly:
 gnome-terminal, wireshark, gimp, wget, latex ... After watching the
 woes unfold here why would I upgrade, what does lion offer that I
 don't have? (facebook connectivity etc is rather like a lead
 balloon)

I personally am going to stick at Snow Leopard. Apple seem hell bent (
financially, who can blame them) on turning their Mac line of computers
into glorified, very expensive iPads.

Also, judging by the amount of posts I see here, on the Xcode list, etc,
every time there's an upgrade, people spend weeks trying to sort it out
 get back to semblance of normality so they can continue working. Also
I'm fortunate enough not to have to write Mac apps for a living, so SL
works fine for me so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

In all honesty, if it wasn't for Mac Ports, I'd probably just stick to
Linux  have done with it.

Cheers,

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Mercurial

2012-08-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Hi, all.

I've just run selfupdate  got, amongst other things:

`mercurial  2.2.3_0  2.3_0`

so I ran upgrade outdated but now when I cd into my hg vim repo  run
`hg pull` it throws the error:

`$ hg pull
abort: No module named repo!`

it's the same when I call `hg status`

I Googled for the error but no luck. Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Mecurial

2012-08-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
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just a traceback further to this problem. Hope it helps:

`$ hg log --traceback
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/dispatch.py,
line 88, in _runcatch
return _dispatch(req)
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/dispatch.py,
line 710, in _dispatch
repo = hg.repository(ui, path=path)
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/hg.py,
line 104, in repository
peer = _peerorrepo(ui, path, create)
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/hg.py,
line 99, in _peerorrepo
hook(ui, obj)
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hggit/__init__.py,
line 90, in reposetup
if not isinstance(repo, gitrepo.gitrepo):
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/demandimport.py,
line 86, in __getattribute__
self._load()
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/demandimport.py,
line 58, in _load
mod = _origimport(head, globals, locals)
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/hggit/gitrepo.py,
line 9, in module
class gitrepo(repo.repository):
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/demandimport.py,
line 86, in __getattribute__
self._load()
  File
/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/demandimport.py,
line 58, in _load
mod = _origimport(head, globals, locals)
ImportError: No module named repo
abort: No module named repo!`

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Mercurial

2012-08-04 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Ned Deily wrote:

 In article 501df382.4060...@gmail.com,
  Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've just run selfupdate  got, amongst other things:

 `mercurial  2.2.3_0  2.3_0`

 so I ran upgrade outdated but now when I cd into my hg vim repo  run
 `hg pull` it throws the error:

 `$ hg pull
 abort: No module named repo!`
 
 hg 2.3 is working fine for me.  Check your  ~/.hgrc file and any 
 repo-specific .hg/hgrc files for the stray use of the word repo, for 
 example in the [extensions] section.  And make sure you don't have any 
 PYTHON* environment variables set (like PYTHONPATH) that might be 
 causing a problem.

Thanks, Ned. It was `hggit/gitrepo.py` (the hggit extension) that was
causing the problem. In fact, it's been a problem more than once on
several different occasions.

Cheers,

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Terminal vim

2012-07-31 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Hi, all.

Am I correct in thinking in order to install terminal vim with python
enabled, it has to use python25?

Reason I ask is I'd like to use python27 as quite a few plugins I need
to use require it.

Cheers,

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Re: Terminal vim

2012-07-31 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:53:03PM +0100, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 Am I correct in thinking in order to install terminal vim with
 python enabled, it has to use python25?
 
 No.
 
 Reason I ask is I'd like to use python27 as quite a few plugins I
 need to use require it.
 
 You can use the +python27 variant. See `port variants vim`.

Hi, Clemens.

Port variants says:

`python: Compatibility variant, requires +python25`

which is the reason I asked about it.

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Re: Monitoring Internet Usage

2012-07-31 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Craig Treleaven wrote:

 I want to be able to monitor internet usage from my son's Mac*.  (Top 5
 applications by MB transferred; maybe top 20 internet addresses, etc.) 
 I think there was a commit in the last couple of weeks to a port that
 did just that--but, of course, I can't find it now.
 
 Craig
 
 *We keep blowing through our GB cap and the overage charge was $50 on
 the last bill!!  Since there is 4 of us in the house, I've never been
 clear on how much data he uses.  Hover, he has been away at camp the
 last 4 weeks and our GB usage is down by 2/3!

If you have a router, it's probably easier to cap his bandwidth.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: git bash_completion does not work - solved (?)

2012-07-21 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Barrie Stott wrote:

 On 21 Jul 2012, at 11:07, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On Jul 21, 2012, at 04:53, Barrie Stott wrote:

 On 20 Jul 2012, at 16:08, Clemens Lang wrote:

[snip]

 Thank you for this and your Terminal Preferences change. Everything would 
 have been fine using them and what Stephan said:
 
   add /opt/local/bin/bash to /etc/shells and 
   obey chsh -s /opt/local/bin/bash
 
 Unfortunately, I thought that merely removing Terminal windows, rather than 
 typing cmd-q, was sufficient to start with a clean Terminal state. Once I 
 used cmd-q everything was fine. I'm grateful for all the help given.

Thanks also from me.

I've been silently following this thread trying to work out why
alt-backspace doesn't work as expected thinking I was using
/opt/local/bin/bash -v4

Now it does.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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xz liblzma

2012-07-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Hi, all.

I've just ran `sudo port -v selfupdate`  got:

`$ port outdated
The following installed ports are outdated:
liblzma5.0.3_0  5.0.3_1
ruby   1.8.7-p358_0  1.8.7-p370_0
xz 5.0.3_0  5.0.4_0 `

so I went ahead  upgraded. Then I got:

`$ sudo port upgrade outdated
- ---  liblzma is replaced by xz
- ---  Computing dependencies for xz
- ---  Fetching archive for xz
- ---  Attempting to fetch xz-5.0.4_0.darwin_10.x86_64.tbz2 from
http://packages.macports.org/xz
- ---  Attempting to fetch xz-5.0.4_0.darwin_10.x86_64.tbz2.rmd160 from
http://packages.macports.org/xz
- ---  Installing xz @5.0.4_0
- ---  Cleaning xz
- ---  Deactivating liblzma @5.0.3_0
- ---  Unable to deactivate liblzma @5.0.3_0, the following ports depend
on it:
- ---  ImageMagick @6.7.7-2_0+q16
Warning: Deactivate forced.  Proceeding despite dependencies.`

so it looks like ImageMagick may have a problem.

I don't actually mind losing it on this box (its work is done) so do I
just go ahead  do the usual dependency dance  then uninstall? Also, if
that's the case, is there a quicker (i.e. one-liner) I can run to take
care of uninstalling ImageMagick?

Or is it a case of xz replacing liblzma  all's well  I can forget the
whole thing?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: xz liblzma

2012-07-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 02/07/2012 15:53, Brandon Allbery wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com 
 mailto:phildob...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 `$ port outdated The following installed ports are outdated: 
 liblzma5.0.3_0  5.0.3_1 ruby
 1.8.7-p358_0  1.8.7-p370_0 xz 5.0.3_0
  5.0.4_0 `
 
 so I went ahead  upgraded. Then I got:
 
 - ---  Deactivating liblzma @5.0.3_0 - ---  Unable to deactivate
 liblzma @5.0.3_0, the following ports depend on it: - ---
 ImageMagick @6.7.7-2_0+q16 Warning: Deactivate forced.  Proceeding
 despite dependencies.`
 
 so it looks like ImageMagick may have a problem.
 
 
 I would expect that someone would have noticed this already if xz
 didn't replace whatever libraries ImageMagick uses with binary
 compatible versions.
 
 That someone would even have been you if you're up to date on
 MacPorts itself; rev-upgrade would finish up your upgrade run by
 scanning everything looking (among other things) for shared object
 breakage of the sort that might be introduced by this, and by
 default would have kicked off a rebuild of ImageMagick if that
 breakage had occurred.

Hi, Brandon.

Guess so. All's quiet on the subject so I reckon I'll clean up  go on
about my business.

Thanks,

  Phil..

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npm upgrade problem

2012-06-24 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Hi, all.

I've just ran `sudo port selfupdate` which told me there was a new
version of npm. So I upgraded:

`sudo port upgrade outdated
- ---  Computing dependencies for npm
- ---  Fetching archive for npm
- ---  Attempting to fetch npm-1.1.32_0.darwin_10.noarch.tbz2 from
http://packages.macports.org/npm
- ---  Attempting to fetch npm-1.1.32_0.darwin_10.noarch.tbz2.rmd160 from
http://packages.macports.org/npm
- ---  Installing npm @1.1.32_0
- ---  Cleaning npm
- ---  Computing dependencies for npm
- ---  Deactivating npm @1.1.24_0
- ---  Cleaning npm
- ---  Activating npm @1.1.32_0`

 now I'm getting:

`$ npm -h
bash: npm: command not found`

I did a readlink on /opt/local/bin/npm:

`$ readlink npm
/opt/local/var/macports/build/_Volumes_work_mports_dports_devel_npm/npm/work/destroot/opt/local/lib/node_modules/npm/bin/npm-cli.js`

 something to my untrained eye looks amiss.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Architecture mixup

2012-05-17 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 17/05/2012 07:25, Ian Wadham wrote:

 This is not strictly a Macports question, but my problem might be
 due to a Macports upgrade so someone here might be able to help.

[snip]

 I think my processor is quad core 64-bit.  It is a 15 Macbook Pro of early 
 2011 vintage.
 
 It is described by About This Mac as 2 GHz Intel Core i7.  My software is:
 Mac OS X 10.7.4 Lion
 XCode 4.2.1
 Macports 2.0.4
 
 Oddly, arch says i386 and machine says i486.  Shouldn't they say x86_64?
 
 What is going on?  Why can't I build?  Ideas would be very welcome.

Even though the processor on your Mac is 64-bit capable, your OS (i.e.
OS X) isn't 64-bit: it's i386.

Don't know whether that helps at all...

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Architecture mixup

2012-05-17 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 17/05/2012 14:08, Watch Dog wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Phil Dobbin phildob...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 17/05/2012 07:25, Ian Wadham wrote:

 This is not strictly a Macports question, but my problem might be
 due to a Macports upgrade so someone here might be able to help.

 [snip]

 I think my processor is quad core 64-bit.  It is a 15 Macbook Pro of early 
 2011 vintage.

 It is described by About This Mac as 2 GHz Intel Core i7.  My software 
 is:
 Mac OS X 10.7.4 Lion
 XCode 4.2.1
 Macports 2.0.4

 Oddly, arch says i386 and machine says i486.  Shouldn't they say x86_64?

 What is going on?  Why can't I build?  Ideas would be very welcome.

 Even though the processor on your Mac is 64-bit capable, your OS (i.e.
 OS X) isn't 64-bit: it's i386.

 Don't know whether that helps at all...
 
 Not at all...  Pure BS.
 
 cd /
 file mach_kernel
 mach_kernel: Mach-O universal binary with 3 architectures
 mach_kernel (for architecture x86_64):Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64
 mach_kernel (for architecture i386):  Mach-O executable i386
 mach_kernel (for architecture ppc):   Mach-O executable ppc

Thanks for pointing that out so charmingly. I neglected to spot the OP
was using Lion: I'm still using Snow Leopard

`Darwin darkstar.local 10.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.8.0: Tue Jun  7
16:33:36 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1504.15.3~1/RELEASE_I386 i386`

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Architecture mixup

2012-05-17 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 17/05/2012 21:10, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 On May 17, 2012, at 09:20, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 Thanks for pointing that out so charmingly. I neglected to spot the OP
 was using Lion: I'm still using Snow Leopard

 `Darwin darkstar.local 10.8.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.8.0: Tue Jun  7
 16:33:36 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1504.15.3~1/RELEASE_I386 i386`
 
 Snow Leopard is also a 64-bit OS. So is Leopard. So are parts of Tiger.
 
 The *kernel* your machine runs (which is what uname tells you about) might 
 still be 32-bit, but that in no way impedes your ability to run 64-bit 
 software.


That's kind of what I was trying to say (very badly as it turned out).

I can't find the OS X equivalent of:

`egrep '(vm|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo`

which although it is strictly speaking the way of finding out if your
box is capable of hardware virtualization, is also useful as a sure fire
way of knowing if your kernel is 64-bit.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Architecture mixup

2012-05-17 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 17/05/2012 21:34, Ryan Schmidt wrote:
 
 On May 17, 2012, at 15:27, Jeremy Lavergne wrote:
 
 That's kind of what I was trying to say (very badly as it turned out).

 I can't find the OS X equivalent of:

 `egrep '(vm|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo`

 which although it is strictly speaking the way of finding out if your
 box is capable of hardware virtualization, is also useful as a sure fire
 way of knowing if your kernel is 64-bit.

 Is sysctl viable for that?
 hw.optional.x86_64: 1
 
 I was not aware of that sysctl variable but it appears to be accurate, though 
 only for Intel machines of course. The one MacPorts base itself uses (to 
 determine the default build_arch) is hw.cpu64bit_capable which should work on 
 PowerPC machines as well. Note that this works on Leopard and up only.
 
 
 For your amusement, here are a few values from a few different systems I have 
 access to:
 
 
 MacBookPro3,1, a 64-bit machine with the 32-bit kernel:
 
 $ uname -p
 i386
 $ uname -m
 i386
 $ sysctl hw.cpu64bit_capable
 hw.cpu64bit_capable: 1
 $ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64
 hw.optional.x86_64: 1
 $ 

[snip]

I get exactly the same on a MacBookPro4,1

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: MacPorts 2.1.0 has been released

2012-05-15 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 15/05/2012 16:29, Joshua Root wrote:

 The MacPorts Project is happy to announce that the 2.1.0 version has now
 been released. It is available via the usual methods:

[snip]

I've just upgraded via selfupdate on 10.6.8  got a message about Tcl's
executable bit being set:

`MacPorts base is outdated, installing new version 2.1.0
Installing new MacPorts release in /opt/local as root:admin; permissions
0755; Tcl-Package in /Library/Tcl`

upon doing a `ls -als` the OS's whole Tcl directory is 755.

Not being that au fait with OS X's Tcl (except that when I try to use it
to get any kind of gui with Perl, it never works), I'm not sure whether
this is a security matter or not.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: MacPorts 2.1.0 has been released

2012-05-15 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 15/05/2012 17:54, Jeremy Lavergne wrote:

 I've just upgraded via selfupdate on 10.6.8  got a message about
 Tcl's executable bit being set:
 
 `MacPorts base is outdated, installing new version 2.1.0 
 Installing new MacPorts release in /opt/local as root:admin;
 permissions 0755; Tcl-Package in /Library/Tcl`
 
 upon doing a `ls -als` the OS's whole Tcl directory is 755.
 
 Not being that au fait with OS X's Tcl (except that when I try to
 use it to get any kind of gui with Perl, it never works), I'm not
 sure whether this is a security matter or not.
 
 Any help appreciated.
 
 Directories must be also be executable, otherwise you can't look
 the things inside them.

Makes sense ( the fact the whole of /Library is set executable). I
just wondered why it was pointed it out in the message  Tcl was
mentioned explicitly.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: MacPorts 2.1.0 has been released

2012-05-15 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 15/05/2012 18:07, Jeremy Lavergne wrote:

 Makes sense ( the fact the whole of /Library is set executable).
 I just wondered why it was pointed it out in the message  Tcl
 was mentioned explicitly.
 
 It's just letting you know what it's doing and where. It probably
 reflects any change you might have made if you were compiling it
 outside of MacPorts.

OK. Thanks, Jeremy.

I did attempt unsuccessfully to use a gui installer that invoked Tcl
via Perl (as I mentioned) a month or so back so that's probably the
culprit.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: gimp fails to install : Unable to execute port: can't read startupitem.install: no such variable

2012-05-05 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 05/05/2012 14:42, Brad Allison wrote:

 bash-3.2$ sudo port install gimp ---  Computing dependencies for
 gimpError: Unable to execute port: can't read
 startupitem.install: no such variable To report a bug, see
 http://guide.macports.org/#project.tickets

Check this week's list archives.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: Where can I download the macports installer for mac?

2012-05-02 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 02/05/2012 12:58, Navarro-Suarez, Gerardo wrote:

 Hi Guys,
 
 I cannot download the macports installer because the link 
 (https://distfiles.macports.org/MacPorts/MacPorts-2.0.4-10.6-SnowLeopard.dmg) 
 is not working.
 
 Is there an alternative download page? What can I do? Is it possible to fix 
 the problem?
 
 I really like the simplicity of the installer and I'd like to avoid building 
 macports manually.

Ryan posted this morning that the rsync server was down  that they were
looking at bringing the backup server online.

I've just checked that server  it's still down so please be patient 
the guys will bring it back up as soon as they can.

Cheers,

  Phil (posted as a Mac Ports user  in no way affiliated with Mac Ports).

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Re: Help with conjoined apaches

2012-04-29 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 29/04/2012 05:50, j...@ayendesigns.com wrote:

 Getting warmer :)  I installed apache2, mysql5, mysql5-server, php5 and
 phpmyadmin. Apache is pointing to the correct place for apachectl after
 I added the path to .profile.
 
 The trouble I'm having now is mysql. I'm getting:
 
 ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
 '/opt/local/var/run/mysql5/mysqld.sock

First of all, have you checked that mysql-server is actually running?
Quickest way other than the cli is open Activity Monitor  select `All
processes`  enter `mysqld` in the search box.

Or from the cli 'ps -ef | grep mysql'

If it isn't running, start the server. If it is running, it's because
mysqld can't find the required `mysqld.sock`. In which case re-starting
the server should automatically generate the mysqld.sock file.

Also if you enter `ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL
server through socket` in Google, you'll get about a million hits. It's
a very common problem when first installing/upgrading MySQL.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: mysql problem with socket (was Help with conjoined apaches)

2012-04-29 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 29/04/2012 18:33, j...@ayendesigns.com wrote:

 That link came up non-existent

[snip]

 
 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/connecting-disconnecting.html

 
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/connecting-disconnecting.html;

trailing bracket caused that.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: PostgreSQL 91 does not start automatically

2012-04-25 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 25/04/2012 19:58, Puneet Kishor wrote:

 I am completely foxed by this... When I restart my computer, 
 postgresql91-server and apache2 do not start up automatically. If I type
 
   $ sudo port load postgresql91-server
 
 I get the message that the port is already loaded. Then I do the following 
 and it starts up fine
 
   $ sudo port unload postgresql91-server
   $ sudo port load postgresql91-server
 
 I have the same issue with apache2 with a slight difference. It doesn’t start 
 automatically on computer reboot, but starts fine when I type 
 
   $ sudo port load apache2
 
 This makes unattended reboot (for example, restart automatically after power 
 failure) a deal-breaker.
 
 I see nothing of consequence in the logs anywhere.
 
 Suggestions?

Don't know what you use for Apache (I just downloaded a script of the
InterWeb) but if you just want something that starts postgres so you can
get on with your life, try this:

https://github.com/mckenfra/postgresql-mac-preferences

Very helpful chap he is too if you get stuck.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: f2c

2012-04-22 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 22/04/2012 13:01, Chris Jones wrote:


 Also, you could run
 
   sudo port select gcc mp-gcc46
 
 That will make MacPorts gcc 4.6 compiler your default compiler suite. This 
 will make 'gcc' point to the same consistent version as the fortran compiler. 
 Having done this, you could also use just 'export F77=gfortran'
 
 Finally, if you don't want gcc 4.6, you can pick any of the other compiler 
 versions and do the same sort of thing.

Hi, Chris.

Thanks for the tip. In the end I just grabbed a tarball of f77  used
that. Raftor was going into /usr/local anyway so as not mess with
/opt/local so f77 went there also.

 please everybody, let's not re-open the the usr/local thread again :-)

My environment, apart from one hiccup concerning rvm in $HOME/, has
functioned great with no problems for nearly a year now with Mac Ports 
/usr/local side by side. YMMV...

Cheers,

  Phil...

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f2c

2012-04-21 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Hi, all.

I'm trying to use f2c to compile ratfor but there's no fort77 script so
I'm getting:

`checking for f2c... f2c
checking whether the Fortran 77 compiler (f2c  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: Fortran 77
compiler cannot create executables.`

Any workarounds to this or shall I just go grab a tarball?

Cheers,

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Re: f2c

2012-04-21 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 21/04/2012 19:49, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 On Apr 21, 2012, at 08:14, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 I'm trying to use f2c to compile ratfor but there's no fort77
 script so I'm getting:
 
 `checking for f2c... f2c checking whether the Fortran 77 compiler
 (f2c  ) works... no configure: error: installation or
 configuration problem: Fortran 77 compiler cannot create
 executables.`
 
 Any workarounds to this or shall I just go grab a tarball?
 
 
 Can you give a reproduction recipe? What files did you download and
 what commands did you run to try to compile ratfor with f2c?

As I understand it, f2c is a fortran77-to-c source code translator
which obviates the need for a Fortran compiler but should contain a
fort77 script in order to function correctly.

I installed ratfor on Debian using apt-get  so I checked the package
list  then went here:

http://www.webmo.net/support/fortran_osx.html

 grabbed a copy of g77  then it installed fine. There was no ratfor
port but I thought I'd grab f2c for which there was a port as my build
set-up is based almost wholly on the ports in /opt/local minus Apple's
dev tools of course.

I'm guessing the problem was the fort77 script but of course may be
completely wrong...

Cheers,

  Phil.

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Re: f2c

2012-04-21 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 22/04/2012 01:12, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 On Apr 21, 2012, at 15:30, Phil Dobbin wrote:
 
 On 21/04/2012 19:49, Ryan Schmidt wrote:

 On Apr 21, 2012, at 08:14, Phil Dobbin wrote:

 I'm trying to use f2c to compile ratfor but there's no fort77
 script so I'm getting:

 `checking for f2c... f2c checking whether the Fortran 77 compiler
 (f2c  ) works... no configure: error: installation or
 configuration problem: Fortran 77 compiler cannot create
 executables.`

 Any workarounds to this or shall I just go grab a tarball?


 Can you give a reproduction recipe? What files did you download and
 what commands did you run to try to compile ratfor with f2c?

 As I understand it, f2c is a fortran77-to-c source code translator
 which obviates the need for a Fortran compiler but should contain a
 fort77 script in order to function correctly.

 I installed ratfor on Debian using apt-get  so I checked the package
 list  then went here:

 http://www.webmo.net/support/fortran_osx.html

  grabbed a copy of g77  then it installed fine. There was no ratfor
 port but I thought I'd grab f2c for which there was a port as my build
 set-up is based almost wholly on the ports in /opt/local minus Apple's
 dev tools of course.

 I'm guessing the problem was the fort77 script but of course may be
 completely wrong...
 
 I'm still unsure how to reproduce the problem on my system. Can you provide a 
 list of steps I should follow so that I would see the same error you saw?

$ cd src
$ src tar -zxvf ratfor.xxx.tar.gz
$ cd ratfor.xxx
$ ratfor.xxx ./configure
$ creating cache ./config.cache
checking for a BSD compatible install... /opt/local/bin/ginstall -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking for gawk... gawk
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for g77... no
checking for f77... no
checking for f2c... f2c
checking whether the Fortran 77 compiler (f2c  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: Fortran 77
compiler cannot create executables.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Re: How remove port info but not installed files?

2012-04-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 18/04/2012 17:38, Arno Hautala wrote:

 On 2012-04-18, Murray Eisenberg murrayeisenb...@gmail.com wrote:

 What's the simplest way to get rid of the macports files from texlive
 and aysmpotote _WITHOUT_ disturbing the original files from the direct
 TeXLive 2011 installation?
 

[snip]

 With the current MacPorts design, you'd be best off uninstalling
 TexLive 2011 and using the MacPorts version. This is just for space
 savings though. Overall, I don't think there should be any
 compatibility issues in having both on your system. I think MacTex
 even includes an application for switching which texlive installation
 to use, and this includes support for selecting the MacPorts version.

Indeed. If you look at the link to the installer page for texlive 2011,
you'll see this is mentioned (fink is also mentioned).

I took it a step further  installed texlive 2011 into $HOME/ as well as
having the Mac Port's version of texlive (reason being I needed access
to tlmgr for the project I'm currently working on).

With disk space no longer a problem these days on OS X (180GB on my
Macbook Pro as opposed to 40GBs on my Linux boxes) I decided to cover
all bases. Must say, in passing, I was very impressed with the texlive
2011 installer.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Though it be not written down,
yet forget not that I am an ass.

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Re: How remove port info but not installed files?

2012-04-18 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 18/04/2012 18:42, Arno Hautala wrote:

 On 2012-04-18, Murray Eisenberg murrayeisenb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Indeed, it's space I want to conserve on my relatively small SSD boot drive.

 It's the original MacTeX TeXLive 2011 installation I want to keep -- and
 NOT the MacPorts version.

 (Various reasons for that preference, including a very helpful GUI
 maintenance utility that's part of MacTeX.)
 
 In that case, your best bet is to uninstall the texlive and asymptote
 ports and either compile it yourself, see if you can get one of the
 precompiled binaries to work, or install it with homebrew (not
 recommended; due to how homebrew installs into /usr/local, this could
 cause problems with your MacPorts install).
 
 You could also try altering the Asymptote Portfile to not depend on
 texlive. I'm not sure how extensive these changes would have to be.


Asymptote can be fetched with tlmgr from within texlive 2011 if it is
not installed already.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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Python environment

2012-04-12 Thread Phil Dobbin
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Hi, all.

I finally need to do some work in Python so bear with me...

I've port installed virtualenv, pip  easy_install comes with Python 2.7
if I'm not mistaken (if I am, it's there anyhows).

Which symlinks/aliases do I have to invoke so that they're available to
me in the console?

Any help appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil...

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Though it be not written down,
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Re: Website Management tool

2012-04-10 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 10/04/2012 16:39, Andrew Long wrote:

 Well, that is the general kind of thing, yes... Perhaps I phrased
 it badly. SO, can you recommend some?

Perl + link checker as search criteria in Google.

Cheers,

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Re: Prefix on subject line for mailing list

2012-04-10 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 10/04/2012 18:44, Jerome Yanga wrote:

 Chris,
 
 I was just asking.  There is no need to be rude.  A simple explanation
 would have been fine.

This just landed in my inbox.

Could you please address it correctly to the list (I have cc'd the list
on this occasion)?

Cheers,

Phil...

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Re: Can selfupdate be done incrementally

2012-04-06 Thread Phil Dobbin
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On 06/04/2012 18:58, Tim Johnson wrote:

 I use a 2012 Mac Mini with OSX Lion.
 
 I haven't run selfupdate in some time.
 
 My observations in the past is that this machine runs alarmingly hot
 during long compiles. I recall being very nervous during the last
 selfupdate with temperature raising to as 180 F or more.
 
 I'm wondering if it is possible to do selfupdate a step or
 dependency at a time. That way, I could allow the machine to cool
 off before resuming.
 
 Any comments are welcome.

[snip]

FWIW, my Macbook Pro running Snow Leopard temperatures get to around 80
degrees Centigrade when upgrading/installing with no ill effects.

I also try to run selfupdate daily (one of my other machines is running
Debian  a cron job kicks around 07:45 each morning to run apt-get
update so, if I'm awake, I do Mac Ports too) so the number of ports is
minimal on an upgrade  if I get a long list of ports, I split them into
batches. Not necessary really but I like to keep the machine active on
other fronts while they're upgrading as much as possible.

Cheers,

  Phil...

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