Re: Off Topic: Poll on how to make paper money accessible
Hi, Everad, They put a device out now that is free and reads the bills. Thanks, Alex, On 24-Mar-09, at 1:53 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: The Canadian approach, also known as a waste of taxpayer money, was to put braille on the bills. One full braille cell representing $5, 2 for $10, 3 for $20, and 4 for $50. The braille flattens in no time at all and is virtually useless unless you have a new crisp bill. HTH, Everett On 24-Mar-09, at 5:45 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: I don't think this requires a technological solution. Australia has currency that is both accessible, nearly indestructible short of burning, and has never been counterfeited. Here is how theirs work: Each bill is a different color and a different length. The bills are $5, $10, $20 and $100 the $1 and $2 are coins. Blind Citizens of Australia makes a give away a small plastic device that you place any bill into and then fold the bill over the top. The device has marking to indicate the bills value based on how long the bill is. The bills themselves are made from a plastic material that can be wash, folded and can not be torn. Each bill has a little clear window in it which is a different shape and texture so even if you don't have one of the BCA devices you could still tell the bills apart by touch. Persons with color perception can just use the different colors of the bills. It's simple efective and secure. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com On Mar 24, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: dude, I went to that presentation too!!! very, very interesting!!! I can't wait til this becomes available! On 24-Mar-09, at 11:06 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: Well, since we're already somewhat off topic, one of the most amazing presentations I went to at CSUN was a product called SeeScan from a company called iVisit. It uses a camera image to do object recognition based on pictures. In the demo they laid out a bunch of stuff such as cereal boxes, CDs, US currency and all they did was aim the camera to have it read off what it was. They ran it on some small computer about the size of an old-school walkman tape player about 1x5x7 and a USB camera. It apparently can handle differing angles, orientations and lighting automatically and completes the acquisition and recognition about 4 times a second. So pretty much as soon as they aimed it at a $5 bill it started saying five dollar bill over and over until they aimed it at something else. It can even handle partially obscured objects such as a credit card that is partly under a piece of paper. They tested it with 10 blind users and had 100% success identifying objects. I asked them about scalability since I might want to have a whole grocery store worth of objects loaded up. They said it can handle about 10,000 images in a single database. You can swap out databases and each image takes about 10K after processing (100MB for 10,000 objects). They are hoping there will be online community swaps of databases so you can share what you've already stored. It can 'learn' a new object in about 4 seconds. You just aim it at the object and hit the learn button and then associate some text with the object. The work is being done as part of a grant from the US Veterans Admin (I think) so they said once it's out of the lab it should be cheap because the research costs don't have to be recouped by the manufacturer. They also have a client/server version working with a cell phone camera and a remote processing server. Sorry for the off-topic but this was pretty incredible and it seemed few people came to their presentation. CB alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: I am taking a poll on my blog on how to make U.S. paper currency accessible to the blind. In September of last year, a judge ordered the treasury to make the money accessible. As far as I know, there has been no plans to actually change our money. Please visit my blog and vote. The poll will be open until the middle of next month. I plan to blog about the results and send them to national blindness organizations and the treasury department. I think that they need to know what the blind community needs before they make any changes. http://blind-gal.blogspot.com Alena --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading VMWare Fusion
Hi Dave, The major advantage of vmware fusion 2 is faster performance, both for the mac and windows. Fusion 2 uses much less ram and system resources, so you don't notice any sluggishness on the mac side while running windows. Also, if you play windows games like I do, then you'll notice more responsiveness from XP as well. There's also some other goodies in there, such as the ability to send certain key commands to the virtual machine from the menu, but performance is by and large the best reason to update. On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Dave Wright wrote: Thanks John, Also just out of curiosity, what are the basic advantages of upgrading? Best Regards: David Wright Email: dwri...@gmail.com Mobile: (832)518-0707 Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com - Original Message - From: John J Herzog To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: Upgrading VMWare Fusion Hi Dave, You do not have to do anything special before upgrading. When you run the version 2 installer, it automatically removes version 1. Also, after installing version 2, you may get a message from within windows to install a newer version of vmware tools. Aside from that, everything should go smoothly without any other steps. John On Mar 24, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dave Wright wrote: Good evening all, I'm writing to inquire as to any preliminary steps I need before upgrading my VMWare Fusion as I'm still running version 1... Should I uninstall this version before upgrading? If I uninstall, are my current Vm's going to be affected? Any advice would be much appreciated. Best Regards: David Wright Email: dwri...@gmail.com Mobile: (832)518-0707 Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: FS: Mint Mac Book Pro for sale.
Hi, It is a good computer. Cara, This isn't off topic is it? Thanks, Alex, On 23-Mar-09, at 10:30 PM, Cameron wrote: Hi. Please write off list for more info or if you'd like to purchase it. I accept payment via paypal and I will only ship to a confirmed address in the continental US. Mac Book Pro 15 inch, Intel core 2 duo 2.4gHz processor, 2 gigs of ram, 250gb hard drive, 2 USB 2 ports, firewire 400 and 800 ports, PCI express card slot, on board I sight camera, microphone, speakers, analog and digital line in and line out, fresh install of OS X Lepard 10.5.6, boxed, includes all install restore dvds, printed and electronic documentation, protective sleeve, mag safe power adaptor, and I work 08. $1399 Thanks, Cameron. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: VmWare Fusion and mac...
I'm in the exact same boat, parallels caused nothing but headaches, and thus far fusion works like a chalm. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 9:33 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: VmWare Fusion and mac... I have run VMWare although I never checked what speed my USB ports were. How do you find out? I did use it with my Jaws USB lisc. key and that was recognized/installed so my Jaws would work without going into 45-minute demo mode. In general I found Jaws on Parallels could not install the video intercept without causing a blue-screen of death crash on startup. I had no such issues with VMWare. CB Mike wrote: Hi all: Is anyone running VmWare Fusion to run win apps through a vurtual machine setup on the Mac? I tried an evaluation copy before deciding to buy but the program reports my USB ports as not being Hi-Speed 2.0. Confused: LOL Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Raspberry Reader set to launch after the summer
Hi, Not yet as I can't get a hold of Sandi lately. Greg, our problem with Raspberry is developers. We are short and we hope to fix this by having trainees on board this summer. But as always we can never have enough developers. Thanks for the feature request. We shall look into page orientation. Thanks, Alex, On 25-Mar-09, at 12:51 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: Alex; I would be very interested in this. In particular if it can deal with page orientation so that the user does not need to know which way to put the page into the scanner. Also how is your e-speak voices project going? Can they now be used as regular Mac voices? Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, All, I'm very exited to post the lates news from inside the VIPBC.org conference table if you will. We plan to have a free scanner softwear out over the summer code named Raspberry Reader. It will be based on our in-testing provend VIP- Toolkit technology. It will run on the Mac with full support for Voiceover. Thanks, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
extracting audio from .avi files?
hey guys I was just looking through a random folder of stuff on my external hard drive and I found a video of a live version of my favourite song ever, ready for love. by India.Arie. don't ask me how I forgot I had a live version of my favourite song, lol. it was tucked away in a folder called random music! haha. shows how organized I am. but oh my gosh, this performance is amazing!!! I *need* it on my IPod I was just wondering if there's a way to extract the audio out of it and convert it to mp3? it's .avi right now. I know you can do this in goldwave on the pc, but I don't wanna boot up my pc if I don't have too. thanks. I can see this moving its way up my top 25 most played in no time!!! so good --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: extracting audio from .avi files?
Hi, Jessi, You can do this using a jumper driver like Sound Flower but that involves some setup. BTW: Happy Belated Birthday. Lol Thanks, Alex, On 25-Mar-09, at 1:32 AM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: hey guys I was just looking through a random folder of stuff on my external hard drive and I found a video of a live version of my favourite song ever, ready for love. by India.Arie. don't ask me how I forgot I had a live version of my favourite song, lol. it was tucked away in a folder called random music! haha. shows how organized I am. but oh my gosh, this performance is amazing!!! I *need* it on my IPod I was just wondering if there's a way to extract the audio out of it and convert it to mp3? it's .avi right now. I know you can do this in goldwave on the pc, but I don't wanna boot up my pc if I don't have too. thanks. I can see this moving its way up my top 25 most played in no time!!! so good --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new mac
Thanks Alex, I am interested in whatever you find out. I appreciate your effort on my behalf. - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:40 AM Subject: Re: new mac Hi, There is Bible softwear. I can't remember it off the top of my head though and I think it needed to be compiled. No problem. I can compile it for you. Let me find out. Thanks, Alex, On 23-Mar-09, at 5:40 PM, Peninnah Fleischer wrote: This message is a comfort to me as well as this list. I am about to take the plunge and buy a Mac after many years of working in windows. My first computer though was an Apple 2E with the old echo speech on it. I loved it and was sad to leave it behind for windows so I am looking forward to diving in and learning the Mac. One question I have is this: is there any accessible Bible software for the Mac? I'm a Bible college student so depend excessively on Bible software for writing my papers and preparing presentations for class. Thanks Peninnah Fleischer - Original Message - From: Mark Baxter To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: new mac Hey Wendy. If you've gotten this far, you've got a good start. I and those here will e glad to answer questions. I also help out by voice chat using Skype, and lots of others do, also. I switched from XP for years and before that Win 98 for years ... to a mac in February, and I'm loving it to the max. Happy macking! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Peninnah Fleischer He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Psalm 91:1-2 (King James Version) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new mac
Hi, I asure you it is in the works. Thanks, Alex, On 25-Mar-09, at 6:29 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: speaking of compiling software, how's i speak doing? haven't seen updates in weeks? On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:40 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is Bible softwear. I can't remember it off the top of my head though and I think it needed to be compiled. No problem. I can compile it for you. Let me find out. Thanks, Alex, On 23-Mar-09, at 5:40 PM, Peninnah Fleischer wrote: This message is a comfort to me as well as this list. I am about to take the plunge and buy a Mac after many years of working in windows. My first computer though was an Apple 2E with the old echo speech on it. I loved it and was sad to leave it behind for windows so I am looking forward to diving in and learning the Mac. One question I have is this: is there any accessible Bible software for the Mac? I'm a Bible college student so depend excessively on Bible software for writing my papers and preparing presentations for class. Thanks Peninnah Fleischer - Original Message - From: Mark Baxter To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: new mac Hey Wendy. If you've gotten this far, you've got a good start. I and those here will e glad to answer questions. I also help out by voice chat using Skype, and lots of others do, also. I switched from XP for years and before that Win 98 for years ... to a mac in February, and I'm loving it to the max. Happy macking! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Peninnah Fleischer He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Psalm 91:1-2 (King James Version) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new mac
that's good. can't wait to see it in action when it's ready. On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, I asure you it is in the works. Thanks, Alex, On 25-Mar-09, at 6:29 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: speaking of compiling software, how's i speak doing? haven't seen updates in weeks? On Mar 25, 2009, at 2:40 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is Bible softwear. I can't remember it off the top of my head though and I think it needed to be compiled. No problem. I can compile it for you. Let me find out. Thanks, Alex, On 23-Mar-09, at 5:40 PM, Peninnah Fleischer wrote: This message is a comfort to me as well as this list. I am about to take the plunge and buy a Mac after many years of working in windows. My first computer though was an Apple 2E with the old echo speech on it. I loved it and was sad to leave it behind for windows so I am looking forward to diving in and learning the Mac. One question I have is this: is there any accessible Bible software for the Mac? I'm a Bible college student so depend excessively on Bible software for writing my papers and preparing presentations for class. Thanks Peninnah Fleischer - Original Message - From: Mark Baxter To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Re: new mac Hey Wendy. If you've gotten this far, you've got a good start. I and those here will e glad to answer questions. I also help out by voice chat using Skype, and lots of others do, also. I switched from XP for years and before that Win 98 for years ... to a mac in February, and I'm loving it to the max. Happy macking! :) Mark BurningHawk Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ Peninnah Fleischer He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Psalm 91:1-2 (King James Version) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new mac
Hi, thgis link siad couldn't display the page. From Wendy. - Original Message - From: kaare dehard To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:24 PM Subject: Re: new mac we can't forget mike's mac series at http://www.blindcooltech as well, he does a tremendous job providing detail and well paced tutorials on various mac related issues with voiceover, and is definitely a good primmer. I used his stuff when jumping out of windows in to mac last august and have no regrets. On 24-Mar-09, at 2:35 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: I remember that excitement!!! I remember I was at my parents' cabin when I learned voiceover. we have dialup internet there so I was bored and was like why not get started with voiceover! lol. so I sat there for two days and listened and tried things and wrote rediculous amounts of questions to this list and soaked it all in, lol. the sites Ben mentioned are good, too. screenless switchers and lioncourt.com. and then there's always apple's main accessibility page, apple.com/accessibility/voiceover On 24-Mar-09, at 11:24 AM, Wendy wrote: Ok I'm downloading the manual onto my computer and will listen to some of the demnonstrations. Oooh i'm so excited lol From Wendy. - Original Message - From: Jessi Rathwell To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: new mac hey you can find the users guide by pressing command VO f8. VO = control and option held together. when the quickstart guide is on, voiceover is turned off so to return to it press escape to stop quickstart guide and then of course command f5. On 24-Mar-09, at 2:01 AM, Wendy wrote: ok, so where do i find the users guide please? Thanks,. From Wendy. - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: Re: new mac Hi, welcome to the list, I'm sure you will enjoy your mac. The first thing I would probably read is the voice over user's guide, that should get you started. - Original Message - From: Wendy To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: new mac Hi I've just b ought a mac and need help in learning how to use. i've used windows for years but been told using the mac is easy. I have got a list of short cut keys and so i've been just looking and getting the feel of the mac and the sound of the voice-over. and yes, i do know how to turn it on and off lol which is a start. From Wendy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Raspberry Reader set to launch after the summer
hey. Still working like a mad girl on the espeak project... it is not as much ... if it works more... can the blonde see the logic behind the madness? Greg I'll assure you ill cheer up more than usual when it works but the examples simply dont make sense. Or if they do i am missing the logic but as i said... still working on it :) best /sandi On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Not yet as I can't get a hold of Sandi lately. Greg, our problem with Raspberry is developers. We are short and we hope to fix this by having trainees on board this summer. But as always we can never have enough developers. Thanks for the feature request. We shall look into page orientation. Thanks, Alex, On 25-Mar-09, at 12:51 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: Alex; I would be very interested in this. In particular if it can deal with page orientation so that the user does not need to know which way to put the page into the scanner. Also how is your e-speak voices project going? Can they now be used as regular Mac voices? Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com On Mar 25, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, All, I'm very exited to post the lates news from inside the VIPBC.org conference table if you will. We plan to have a free scanner softwear out over the summer code named Raspberry Reader. It will be based on our in-testing provend VIP- Toolkit technology. It will run on the Mac with full support for Voiceover. Thanks, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
I agree. I don't think it's a huge deal to go through and delete messages. I think we should be mindful of how many offtopic posts we post and the huge majority should be mac stuff, but if there's the odd offtopic post that someone thinks would be interesting to all, especially if it could be related to mac OS10 somehow, I think it should be okay to post it. the delete key is your friend if you don't wanna read something. and in mail, they make it so easy since you can just go to the subject column. On 25-Mar-09, at 8:10 AM, Marshall Scott wrote: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Count me in amongst those who agree, and we have the VoBs list as well why should we have another one? /Krister 25 mar 2009 kl. 16.10 skrev Marshall Scott: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Exctly. What's the point of having three mac lists? On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Count me in amongst those who agree, and we have the VoBs list as well why should we have another one? /Krister 25 mar 2009 kl. 16.10 skrev Marshall Scott: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Raspberry Reader set to launch after the summer
I have a few questions about your scanning software. What types of documents will the program be able to read? Will it have something like Buck Scan in Open Book? What OCR engine will you be using with your software? The engine that Open Book uses has really good recognition. When I scan documents in Open Book, they come out really good. What about PDF documents that are actually scanned images. What will the program do with these? Thanks. Ryan On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:48 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, All, I'm very exited to post the lates news from inside the VIPBC.org conference table if you will. We plan to have a free scanner softwear out over the summer code named Raspberry Reader. It will be based on our in-testing provend VIP- Toolkit technology. It will run on the Mac with full support for Voiceover. Thanks, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which have broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to the community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around 90% Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict enforcement of Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly detrimental on the other. CB Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need a Spreadsheet Program
My understanding is that if the developer uses standard user interface widgets then those expose accessibility information to VO (more or less) automatically. That implies that Microsoft has implemented their own custom controls for Office but did not implement the communication to the Apple Accessibility API. So if you do try to run MS Word you'll find the pull-down menus (Apple UI stuff) are accessible but the rest (Microsoft custom stuff) is not. This is a rather poor showing from 3.5 years of development work at Microsoft since the Apple APIs were well known and others (Open Office) have shown it can be done. In addition, it's been over a year (January 15, 2008) since Office 2008 was released with no changes in accessibility, so there appears to be no movement or desire to fix the problems. I did have dinner with the Microsoft accessibility manager for IE at CSUN and asked him about Office for Mac. All he could do was give a long sad sigh and say it wasn't right, but it wasn't his bailiwick to malign another division's products. CB Simon Fogarty wrote: I thought VO was compatible with all office products under leopard? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney Sent: Saturday, 14 March 2009 9:41 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need a Spreadsheet Program All speadsheet programs will open CSV files. MS Office/Excel is not accessible or compatible with VoiceOver but OpenOffice, Apple Numbers and Tables are. Greg On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Simon Fogarty si...@blinky-net.com wrote: If apple don't then they do support Ms office / excel and that will handle csv files. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 11:10 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Need a Spreadsheet Program Hi guys, I'm looking for a program that can handle csv files. I've never used a spreadsheet in my life so have no clue what it's like. So please, the simpler the better. I basically just need to go through the records and enter information. I think Apple makes software for this but don't know how accessible it is or what it's called. Btw, I also need to be able to save it so that it can be viewed on a Windows machine. Thanks, Tiffanitsa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
creating filters in mail
Hey All, I want to be able to filter all my email into different folders so that each person or group I am in like macvisionaries or wayfinder access etc into there respective mail boxes so that it makes it easier to go to what I prefer to listen to first I do this at the moment with eudora on my windows laptop but I can't find anything refering to filtering in mail on my powerbook g4 laptop and would very much like to be able to do the same thing so any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in anticipation Dean !!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short to be a grumble bum !!! * Email: d...@internode.on.net * Phone: 02428133758 * Skype: deanadams9 * Mobile: 0428133758 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
smile Are you guys *trying* to make my life difficult? lol! The vote on this already happened last week and everyone was told about it in advance. the results came in and I posted them. So please, can we simply get back to the topics at hand?… I'm posting this to the list now as it seems many people are not understanding a certain aspect of this issue. So I'll explain here… Quite simply, some listers are paying dynamically for bandwidth they use. So, the amount of time it takes them to download email (yes, even including this one) is important. So, if they find that their inbox is then riddled with non-informational posts, no amount of pressing their delete key will get their money back. Not everyone is as fortunate to have basically free-flowing internet access at their disposal. so do we really want to simply not care about those listers whom would really like to stay on the list for its informational value, when all it would take on our parts, to ease this situation is simply to take just a second before sending a message to decide whether it's truly necessary / on-topic for the list?… This is all I'm asking here… some people also have time constraints. Do we want to not care about them as well, when all it would take, on our part, as above, is simply a second or two to decide if something is really of value for others to take time reading?… NOw we obviously don't have to care about these people, afterall, you don't really even know them, and so their concerns or issues aren't going to matter to you in your daily lives, and this is afterall, only a mailing list, but is that the kind of people we really are?… I honestly don't think so. I'm sure this is easy enough for us to manage. This doesn't need to be an issue?… -Yes?… We are only a mailing list, -not an 'us and them' situation. We are one group of people, so it would benefit us in this situation, to think like that. smile It's really simple, and doesn't need to be a huge deal!… Okay, enough from me for now… Please feel free to post to me privately with any more on this if you all would be so kind?… Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!… smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Marshall Scott wrote: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
We had a poll where we could vote between letting this list go unmoderated or keep it moderated, and there were a majority who voted to moderate it. So its curious that now suddenly there are people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would like it unmoderated. It's one or the other. Merely telling people to be mindful of what they post is rather pointless since that clearly hasn't worked in the past. And what about those short I agree messages, or way to go so in so messages that people send to chat with others? This will also keep persisting since it practically requires computer savy to make your client respond to just the sender. Under OS X you have to open the message, VO space over the sender, and in the context menu that comes up you have to press enter on respond to sender or new message. Really no one is going to do that, particularly if they didn't want to have to worry about the difference between respond to first and respond all. I tend to not say anything about it on this list because on one side, it seems like something that is inevitable, and on the other side, something that I see could be annoying. I just couldn't resist making this observation. Justin Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 25/03/2009, a las 10:32, Chris Blouch escribió: I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which have broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to the community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around 90% Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict enforcement of Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly detrimental on the other. CB Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I
Re: new mac
Hi i've downloaded a couple of the podcasts onto my computer, my windows one and going to listen through them and make notes then i can really get stuck into it. From Wendy. - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: new mac Hi Wendy, Wendy wrote: Hi, thgis link siad couldn't display the page. The correct link to Blind Cool Tech requires a .com extension and is: http://www.blindcooltech.com/ I was going to tell you to check a page of podcast links for this group at: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/web/podcasts but I find that I haven't been able to get to that page for the last two or three days, because I get a message that I am not subscribed to this group, and logging in doesn't seem to help to change my access. If it works for you, that page has direct links to all of Mike Arrigo's Blind Cool Tech podcasts about the Mac, and all of the Screenless Switchers podcasts about VoiceOver and the Mac. Here's an ordered list of the Mac Accessibility Demo podcasts that Mike did: Mac Accessibility Demo 5/24/2008 Mike overviews the accessibility features in the Mac and demonstrates web browsing, email, and word processing. 28.6 MB Mac Accessibility Demo Part 2 6/12/2008 Mike Arrigo continues the tour of the accessibility of the Mac using the built-in screen reader, Voice Over. Mike demonstrates streaming audio and using the Voice Over web find feature. 23.9 MB Mac Demo Part 3 8/12/2008 Mike Arrigo answers questions from the first two episodes in this series about the Mac and Voice Over, its built in screen reader. He explains how to boot from the system DVD, shows a slick technique for moving through mail messages more quickly, and tours the Voice Over Control Panel to show the customizations you may make. He also demonstrates using the web browser on the internet and demonstrates how it works with Ebay. 22.0 MB Mac Demo 4 12/16/2008 Mike Arrigo continues this series by answering questions, showing the improved accessibility in iTunes 8, playing a DVD, and using the web with dynamic web pages. 22.8 MB Mac Demo 5 1/18/2009 Mike Arrigo continues this series about built-in accessibility on the Mac by demonstrating running Windows on the Mac. He discusses the reasons why you would want to run Windows on a Mac, then talks about how it works, runs both the Mac operating system and Windows at the same time, and shows running Window-eyes, System Access, and Kurzweil 1000. 17.8 MB Mac Demo 6 2/9/2009 Mike Arrigo describes how to walk up to a Mac in the store and get it talking, so you can try it there. He also demonstrates using Voice Over on the numeric keypad and shows how to copy files. He copies a book to an SD card for use on the Victor Reader Stream. 18.1 MB Mac Demo 7 3/17/2009 Mike Arrigo looks at the software update feature on the mac, goes through most of the system preferences, and mentions things that blind users may want to change. He shows how to enable the option so you can see file extensions, shows how to change what programs are used to open different types of files, and demonstrates how to install programs on the mac. 24.5 MB Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
agreed, Chris. well said. On 25-Mar-09, at 10:32 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which have broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to the community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around 90% Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict enforcement of Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly detrimental on the other. CB Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need a Spreadsheet Program
Hi there, One other thing enters the accessibility equation. Carbon, or legacy Apple controls, are not accessible either. This is why the rewrite of the entire Mac OS X and applications in Cocoa is so great. It uses the modern controls and development framework. ...b On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: My understanding is that if the developer uses standard user interface widgets then those expose accessibility information to VO (more or less) automatically. That implies that Microsoft has implemented their own custom controls for Office but did not implement the communication to the Apple Accessibility API. So if you do try to run MS Word you'll find the pull-down menus (Apple UI stuff) are accessible but the rest (Microsoft custom stuff) is not. This is a rather poor showing from 3.5 years of development work at Microsoft since the Apple APIs were well known and others (Open Office) have shown it can be done. In addition, it's been over a year (January 15, 2008) since Office 2008 was released with no changes in accessibility, so there appears to be no movement or desire to fix the problems. I did have dinner with the Microsoft accessibility manager for IE at CSUN and asked him about Office for Mac. All he could do was give a long sad sigh and say it wasn't right, but it wasn't his bailiwick to malign another division's products. CB Simon Fogarty wrote: I thought VO was compatible with all office products under leopard? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney Sent: Saturday, 14 March 2009 9:41 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need a Spreadsheet Program All speadsheet programs will open CSV files. MS Office/Excel is not accessible or compatible with VoiceOver but OpenOffice, Apple Numbers and Tables are. Greg On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Simon Fogarty si...@blinky-net.com wrote: If apple don't then they do support Ms office / excel and that will handle csv files. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Friday, 13 March 2009 11:10 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Need a Spreadsheet Program Hi guys, I'm looking for a program that can handle csv files. I've never used a spreadsheet in my life so have no clue what it's like. So please, the simpler the better. I basically just need to go through the records and enter information. I think Apple makes software for this but don't know how accessible it is or what it's called. Btw, I also need to be able to save it so that it can be viewed on a Windows machine. Thanks, Tiffanitsa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: extracting audio from .avi files?
I've actually done quite a bit of this. What I always use is a free program called MPEG Streamclip It's basically got an export to audio command that's perfect for this --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: extracting audio from .avi files?
ooh, free and the exact thing I need it for! heck yeah!!! googling this!!! thanks!!! On 25-Mar-09, at 1:42 PM, Yvonne Thomson wrote: I've actually done quite a bit of this. What I always use is a free program called MPEG Streamclip It's basically got an export to audio command that's perfect for this --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
xcode issue
hi mac users; have any of you seen this issue? When ever i attempt to open Xcode it crashes with out even appearing to open. Any ideas? With best Regards Michael A. Babcock work site: http://gwhosting.net blog: http://gwfans.net twitter: creepyblindy aim: ginnyslove2007 yahoo: blindy_2004 msn: messag...@audioficks.net Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iniciate links menu causes VO to crash
Strage thing for you guys to try. Go to http://www.universia.net/ Interact with the HTML content and press VO U to bring the links menu up and VO crashes. I'm using the latest build of webkit. Regards Justin Harford Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iniciate links menu causes VO to crash
I'm using the Safari 4 beta, and it worked fine here. Although the weird thing was, VO said interact with group, and I'm not even in groups mode. On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Strage thing for you guys to try. Go to http://www.universia.net/ Interact with the HTML content and press VO U to bring the links menu up and VO crashes. I'm using the latest build of webkit. Regards Justin Harford Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
