To Esther: RE: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Wow! Esther, Thank you so very much for taking the time to compile all of this wonderful information. This is excellent. I hope I may return the favor someday. Most Sincerely, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Mark, You wrote: I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. I haven't yet upgraded to Snow Leopard, but for any application window you should be able to navigate to the Zoom button and use Control- Option-Space to expand the window to match your display. In the case of Safari, it may be that it does not expand the window beyond what is required to remove the horizontal scroll bar. If you wish to expand beyond that, it is possible to manually move and resize windows, and this is described in the Appendix (page 108) of the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard (PDF file). To manually resize windows with VoiceOver: 1. Press Control-Option-Tilde, where the Tilde key is the shifted key to the left of the number 1 and just below the escape key at the left side of your keyboard. (That is, you're holding down four keys: Control, Option, Shift, and the (Grave) Accent key). You should hear VoiceOver say Resize window. 2. Then use the arrow keys to make the window taller, shorter, wider, or narrower. Use Shift with the arrow keys to resize in smaller increments. 3. Press Escape to stop resizing the window. To move windows with VoiceOver: 1. Press Control-Option-(Grave) Accent (the same sequence as above, with no Shift key) 2. Then use the arrow keys to move the window. Use Shift with the arrow keys to move in smaller increments. 3. Press Escape to stop moving the window. There's an alternative setup with the Zoom option under the Universal Access menu that low vision users can use. I'm sure there is a spiffer way to do this with gestures, and I know you can use either the scroll wheel or enable a two-finger scroll on the trackpad to zoom without going through the Universal Access menu, but I set this up for someone a long time ago (smile). In these instructions, VO means hold down the VoiceOver Control and Option keys. 1. Go to System Preferences under the Apple menu (VO-M to the menu bar; arrow down, press s y to go to System Preferences) and press Enter 2. In the System Preferences window, navigate (e.g., tab, use VO-right arrow, or bring up item chooser menu (VO-I) and press u n i) to the Universal Access button an press (VO-Space). 3. In the Universal Access window, VO-Right to the Seeing tab and select it (with VO-Space) if it is not already selected. 4. Navigate (VO-Right Arrow) to the Zoom radio button and use VO- Space to turn on zoom. 5. Navigate to the Options button and press (VO-Space). 6. Set the range for maximum and minimum zoom (up to factor of 20) by interacting with each slider and using your arrow keys. This is the default zoom applied when your press Command-Option-= to zoom in. Continuing to press or tap the = button while the Command and Option keys are held down increases the zoom. 7. I set up these options with Smooth images checked and When zoomed in, the screen image moves only when the pointer reaches an edge for someone who only wanted a mild zoom. There are other options you can check, such as having zoom follow the keyboard focus. You can also activate a scroll wheel on a mouse. Press enter, or navigate to the Done button and use VO-Space to commit selections. 8. On the Universal Access menu, check the boxes the enable assistive devices and to show universal access status in the menu bar. (The latter is not needed, but I use it to check whether zoom is on or whether other features, such as mouse keys -- sometimes used to move to locations where VoiceOver does not have a hook -- is enabled.) 9. Use Command-W to close the window when done. Now with the zoom feature enabled, you can use Command-Option-= to zoom in and Command-Option-- to zoom out around focused regions. Turn zoom on or off with Command-Option-8. HTH. Great progress, and let us know if you have more questions. I enjoy reading all your posts on the VIPhone list. Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc
Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused on the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd sharethat tip that I found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Hello Mike and thank you. There are so many ways to do things with the Mac, eh? Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hey mark, I would say you're off to a great start. And feel free to write each day about your experiences, sounds like the mac is working well for you. Yes, voice over has a way to resize a window. Press control option shift accent, or I guess you could also say press control option tilda. You will now have 2 options, to resize how wide and how tall the window is. Press enter on the first option, and then press and hold the right arrow key for a few seconds. Press escape to leave this mode, then repeat the process, and this time choose to resize how tall the window is. Press and hold the down arrow key for a few seconds. That should make the window fill the screen. On Aug 30, 2009, at 4:23 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Well said John. When Vista came out, I wasn't impressed with it either, based on what I was hearing from people that were running it. I'd heard so many good things about the Mac, and the fact that I would have access to the mac right out of the box, without having to pay extra costs for a screen reader on top of the price of the mac, was also very compelling. As a result, I made the switch back in February of 2007, and haven't looked back since. I did use Windows occasionally and did have it installed in a VM, but I think with the improvements in Snow Leopard, i'll be using it even less. On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: I will disagree with Anyone who claims that there is no hostility or arrogance from the Windows community towards the Mac and, specifically, VoiceOver. Since VoiceOver became available in Tiger, I have encountered the very behavior and attitudes from Windows users towards the Mac as I have read some Windows users accuse Mac users of showing towards Windows. In fact, at NFB shows, this mentality has probably been the strongest. There is a mindset among hardcore members of the blindness organization of circling the wagons or protecting ones own, and I think anyone who tries to claim otherwise is not living on this planet. Sadly, I think Snow Leopard is only going to create more shrill and vitriolic responses in regard to Apple's efforts, and never any slightest acknowledgement of the good it is doing for the blind. Now, the one thing that is apparently overlooked is that many of us on this list and others who have been using the Mac are either former Windows users or, like myself, still use Windows. I will admit without hesitation that I take shots at Windows and openly criticize Microsoft, but having used Windows for some 13 years, I surely feel that I am qualified to do so and can speak about the shortcomings of Windows quite knowledgeably. This is not arrogance or anything else on my part. This is simply experience and the difference I have found in using the Mac. Yes, the dark side might be too strong of a term, yet, at the same time, it is like night and day. No viruses, spam, crashes and other Windows instability issues Windows users just seem to tolerate and accept as being normal. If anything, Vista completely turned me off from windows forever, and I am not impressed by Windows 7 at all at this point. With that all said, however, again, it must also be noted that companies like, GW Micro, Serotek and Freedom Scientific have done a considerable amount of good for the blind. Windows screen reader developers often receive a great deal of criticism and grumbling from their own user base. I know that accessibility and Microsoft are often quite challenging from what I have been privately told by both GW Micro and FS people. Thus, I would never be one to take anything away from Windows access efforts, as that was my introduction to computers and it carried me through may years. Many folks, either by circumstance or choice, still use Windows, and that will probably not change, other than, perhaps, the choice part of the equation. In regard to the three features that are the topic of this thread, I don't personally find a need to go back to the old Windows way of editing. It was difficult to become adjusted to the Mac way at the start, but it makes far more sense to me than the Windows way. I don't need a webpage read to me in its entirety at any time, but I really think the summarization of the elements on a site is particularly useful. However, the one thing that us longer time Mac users and even many newer ones understand, the beauty of the Mac experience is that we are given more than one way to accomplish a task. If these additions to Snow Leopard assist and ease the transition for a Windows user to the Mac, overall, I think that it is a good thing. Customization has increased quite a bit in Snow Leopard, so whatever is comfortable to you is obviously what you use. This also goes, btw, for your choice of access tools as well, whether it be the Mac, Windows or Linux. It is just a matter of myself having chosen the Mac way as being superior in more than enough ways to make it my tool of choice. Take Care John Panarese On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:21 AM, James Nash wrote: No you are right, NFB and other blindnes organizations who supposedly hvae our best interests at heart are very narrow minded when it coems to technological matters as well as others. - Original Message - From: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:09 PM Subject: RE: 3 features that hmm? Hi Donna and All, I'll offer my opinion as a current Windows user. As I enter MacLand, one of the most valuable benefits of this list has been what those of you who are current Mac users offer, and
Re: A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc
can you send the manual to me off list? On 31 Aug 2009, at 07:37, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused on the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd sharethat tip that I found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
It's true that you cannot save/export files into text but you can easily highlight the entire document with command+A and copy with command+c and then paste into textedit and save it this way. I regularly do this. Best wishes, Simon On 30 Aug 2009, at 23:50, Maurice Mines wrote: the problem is you can't save a file in text like the windows veration of adoby please forgive the my spelling I have a rittenexpation disorder. maurice ham call sine kd0iko. On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat reader. Best --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hello Everyone, What a wealth of information I have learned from this list, today. I have found answers to questins I haven't even asked, yet. (Smile) Today, I decided to delete my Windows 7 Bootcamp partition. Windows 7 ran beautifully along with Jaws but there was a minor glitch in some of the audio that I was unable to resolve with regard to the MacBook Pro speakers. To be quite honest, I most likely could have resolved it but I found that the thought of booting into Windows on my Mac kind of irked me. I have enough Windows computers in my house without adding another one. So, I am back at square one with regard to Windows 7 and Mac. And thus, the following question: Which virtual machine software do you recommend I use for the best Jaws 10 and Windows 7 functionality? Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. All of my sighted Mac friends strongly recommend V M Ware but they have no idea about Jaws functionality, of course; so I turn to you. I know that this list is very high traffic so you only need write which one you recommend; there is no need to explain why you recommend one over the other unless you have time to do so. When in a virtual machine, can one continue to use VoiceOver? I'm a little confused on when one would use VO and when one must use Jaws in the virtual machine. By the way, I know that running Windows 7 in a virtual machine is a bit off-topic for this list so if those of you who are currently doing something similar wouldn't mind, I will be glad to communicate off-list. I understand that my questions may require some very detailed answers and that you may not have time to write it up; I mean, some of these answers can read like a novel and so, I will be happy to call anyone via telephone to talk about this matter. Which ever way is convenient for you to respond, just let me know, OK? My main goal this week is to setup all of my email accounts and begin using my Mac exclusively for all communication. Oh yes, I also plan on installing Skype and setting it up as well. One more thing, today I added a Macintosh category to the Candle Shore BLOG. Someday, I hope to be able to contribute to the Macintosh body of knowledge. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc
Does one have to request the manual for snowleopard from accessibility directly, or is it available on the accessibility page? On 31 Aug 2009, at 08:22, william lomas wrote: can you send the manual to me off list? On 31 Aug 2009, at 07:37, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused on the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd sharethat tip that I found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Getting Started Manual
AS of yesterday, I didn't see it posted on the Apple site. I did contact Apple about a braille version. It is being translated and should be available in about 3 weeks according to the e-mail I received. Also, we'll have a different phone number to request it as opposed to the AppleCare number. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Cavendish Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:39 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc Does one have to request the manual for snowleopard from accessibility directly, or is it available on the accessibility page? On 31 Aug 2009, at 08:22, william lomas wrote: can you send the manual to me off list? On 31 Aug 2009, at 07:37, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused on the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd sharethat tip that I found. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi. I have tried vmware fusion with windows xp as a virtual machine with jaws 9 and it works very well. I can use jaws in widnows and voice over together but voice over takes control over some keys so to get most commands out of jaws I focused on the virtual machine and when it is running and jaws working I hit command-f5 and turned v o off. Doing so let me run jaws with the laptop layout and caps lock works as the jaws key for example. The only thing I can't get to work is some function keys like f11 and f12 so I can't bring up jaws systray dialog with jawskey + f11 for example. I'm only using this virtual machine for a few programs that don't exest on mac, for example echolink for hamradio. So I think it works very well with vmware fusion and voice over. The only thing I didn't manage to get working is ubuntu under vmware. Oh, forgot to say when you need voice over simply press command-f5 again. Hope that helps. You are welcome off list to me if you want to ask anything else. I'm not a mac guru but I more then happy to share my knowledge as far as I can. Regards Tony 2009/8/31, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu: Hello Everyone, What a wealth of information I have learned from this list, today. I have found answers to questins I haven't even asked, yet. (Smile) Today, I decided to delete my Windows 7 Bootcamp partition. Windows 7 ran beautifully along with Jaws but there was a minor glitch in some of the audio that I was unable to resolve with regard to the MacBook Pro speakers. To be quite honest, I most likely could have resolved it but I found that the thought of booting into Windows on my Mac kind of irked me. I have enough Windows computers in my house without adding another one. So, I am back at square one with regard to Windows 7 and Mac. And thus, the following question: Which virtual machine software do you recommend I use for the best Jaws 10 and Windows 7 functionality? Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. All of my sighted Mac friends strongly recommend V M Ware but they have no idea about Jaws functionality, of course; so I turn to you. I know that this list is very high traffic so you only need write which one you recommend; there is no need to explain why you recommend one over the other unless you have time to do so. When in a virtual machine, can one continue to use VoiceOver? I'm a little confused on when one would use VO and when one must use Jaws in the virtual machine. By the way, I know that running Windows 7 in a virtual machine is a bit off-topic for this list so if those of you who are currently doing something similar wouldn't mind, I will be glad to communicate off-list. I understand that my questions may require some very detailed answers and that you may not have time to write it up; I mean, some of these answers can read like a novel and so, I will be happy to call anyone via telephone to talk about this matter. Which ever way is convenient for you to respond, just let me know, OK? My main goal this week is to setup all of my email accounts and begin using my Mac exclusively for all communication. Oh yes, I also plan on installing Skype and setting it up as well. One more thing, today I added a Macintosh category to the Candle Shore BLOG. Someday, I hope to be able to contribute to the Macintosh body of knowledge. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
To Jonathan: Setting Up A Cross Platform Home Network
Hello Jonathan, Windows 7 makes use of a file sharing system unfortunately referred to as Libraries. I say unfortunately because the word Libraries can mean so many things and new users have an understandably difficult time learning how Windows 7 uses them. For example, these Libraries are virtual. Yeah, like that means anything, these days, right? (Smile) In short, it is now possible to easily setup an ad-hock network using the Windows 7 Libraries. While I would not recommend anyone do this, I wanted to see how accessible it would be from a Macintosh. This should not be of any concern to you for, in reality, all you need do is use a network attached drive to quickly and easily share files on your home network. Jonathan, make sure any drive you purchase is DLNA certified. DLNA stands for Digital Living Network Alliance. This certification is very important. Take it from me. I have three network attached storage devices and the first one I purchase is not DLNA because I did not know of such a thing. While I continue to use the non-DLNA drive for file archives, it is terrible with regard to streaming media files and network access seek time. In some instances, QuickTime will not access the files correctly. So, whatever you do, make sure the drive you purchase has DLNA certification and then you will know that it will work with media files on Mac, Windows, etc. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:01 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Mark, Probably off topic, but what are you using the Network groups for? I havn't spent much time configuring macs for use on a shared network, but since I am going to buy a large disk drive soon, and have intentions of allowing family to float from computer to computer without losing their documents, and the ability to share files as appropriate. (Music libraries perhaps without iTunes sharing. I decided to ask. Jon On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:23 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
so you mark the stuff you want to work with? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, delete, copy to clipboard and so on. On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking Hi! Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind at ease, pressing m during record, playback or stop mode will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option-left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into the markers window to make fine adjustments to the positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the Auto Generate Markers option in the Selection menu to have Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. Hope this helps. ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
how do you use that with vo? I couldn't get it to work last I tried that - Original Message - From: JC Helary brandel...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
how do you back and forward threw markers? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking That's right! On 31/08/2009, at 6:23 PM, hank smith wrote: so you mark the stuff you want to work with? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, delete, copy to clipboard and so on. On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking Hi! Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind at ease, pressing m during record, playback or stop mode will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option-left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into the markers window to make fine adjustments to the positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the Auto Generate Markers option in the Selection menu to have Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. Hope this helps. ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
Us option-left and right arrows to move your insertion point between them, use command-left and right arrows to extend selection from current marker to previous or next marker. On 31/08/2009, at 6:39 PM, hank smith wrote: how do you back and forward threw markers? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking That's right! On 31/08/2009, at 6:23 PM, hank smith wrote: so you mark the stuff you want to work with? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, delete, copy to clipboard and so on. On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking Hi! Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind at ease, pressing m during record, playback or stop mode will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option- left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into the markers window to make fine adjustments to the positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the Auto Generate Markers option in the Selection menu to have Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. Hope this helps. ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Mark, You'll be wanting to give Vmware Fusion a try I think. Virtual Box is free, and fairly usable true, but Vmware Fusion is by far the most accessible and well rounded product out of these 3. With your email address being what it is it's safe for me to assume you're in education of some sort, which means you should be able to pick up Fusion for $40 last I checked. Re which screen reader to use when, basically you'd use VO whenever you're highlighted on and performing something in Mac OS, your Windows screen reader of choice whenever you're focused on or performing something in Windows. Switching between the two OS's in Fusion is a synch, simply alt tab to Fusion, grab keyboard input with command-G and your mac will largely forget it's a mac until you tell it to remember. Both OS's are fully functional in the background when you're not focused on them, so it's very possible on a powerful machine to have the best of both worlds simultaneously. the one thing I'd say about Virtualisation is that, even though we're now running native on Intel chips, it still takes a slight performance hit with every system I've seen. You'll notice a slight lag or sluggishness in Windows Virtualised if you're fussy about performance, but for everyday tasks and assuming you're mainly going to be using Mac OS, the convenience outweighs the sluggishness. If however the remaining stuff you use Windows for is very system intensive, Boot Camp was probably your best option, but let's hope not eh. hth Scott On 8/31/09, hank smith hanksmi...@gmail.com wrote: how do you use that with vo? I couldn't get it to work last I tried that - Original Message - From: JC Helary brandel...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
welcome dialog
Hi for the person who did not want to be told to learn voiceover, at startup each time, turn it off in the general utilities settings of voice over --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voiceover getting stuck in submenus?
Please be sure to report this, so it can be addressed. Send a note to accessibil...@apple.com . I have noticed some odd behavior, but not exactly as you are experiencing, but yet behavior that should not be occurring. tnx, On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:41 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi listers, Has anybody noticed that voiceover now gets stuck in submenus in snow leopard? For instance, when I am in mail, and I go to the mailbox menu, I can move through the options until I get to the online status submenu. At this point, hitting the up, down, left, and right arrows simply repeat the words online status submenu. There does not seem to be a way to get past this. This is also true with other submenus, such as those in the finder. Note: I saw a message about this earlier, and tried turning voiceover on and off quickly. This did not seem to help. Anybody else notice this? Thanks, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Thanks Anne, I think I did indeed. On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Scott, I think you must have missed my earlier post on this subject. The pauses are caused by new line characters. I think this was introduced to make the reading of documents, containing lists with their items only separated by new line characters, make more sense. You notice this when reading a table of contents. It often sounds as though the page number is the chapter number because there is just a new line character between them. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Snow leopard - bug, feature or something inbetween?
Yeah, i could do that, problem is then that if i have to navigate with the mouse, i don't get any feedback. I've reported this to Apple a11y team, let's see what they say. I have solved the problem by setting mouse pointer to move vo cursor. /Krister 31 aug 2009 kl. 02.37 skrev Steven M. Sawczyn: Try unchecking vo cursor follows mouse pointer, that should get you all fixed up. Come to think of it, I'd uncheck both vo cursor follows mouse and mouse follows vo cursor. HTH, Steve On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: hi good people out there in Apple land. I have just installed the new Snow Leopard yesterday and am very impressed with what it has done for us blind folks, however i have a question about a thing i noticed whilst doing the first steps in SL. There's a feature that lets you hear text that's under the mouse after a certain amount of time, however, if i have this checkbox checked i find that text gets read two or sometimes three or more times and that happens for every move i make with the VO arrow keys. This is, i believe, because the cursor tracking feature is turned on. However if i uncheck this box, which i have done now, i don't get any feedback at all when moving the mouse, which is unfortunate at times when i want text under the mouse read. What gives here? How do other folks cope with this problem? Is it a bug or a feature? Thankful for any answers. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for the price
the nice thing about the touch is that if you are generally around WiFi networks you do not need to pay ATT for the 3G service which, as a monthly fee, adds up to be a bundle for a year. Recently, I had a very peculiar experience with AtT. I was making a few changes in my account, most prominently upgrading to an unlimited voice plan. Once that was completed, I checked the box on my account's web page to turn on international dialing. I was informed that I had to talk to them on the phone at some numbr. So, I called the number on the web site. When the phone picked up, I was put on hold for about a half hour. Then a cranky sounding woman picked up and started interrogating me. The oddest thing was that she was asking questions to which she should not have the answers: Where were you living when your Social Security card was issued? Have you ever worked in Detroit, Troy, NY or Oxford Mississippi? (the answer was none of the above - what's up with the trick questions? - none of the normal mother's maiden name, etc. this went on for about twenty minutes until the lady told me I could make international calls (a requirement for the work I do). So, if our country has me on a domestic spying list, they have assigned some poor intelligence figure to waste a whole lot of time reading boring emails and listening to even more boring phone calls. Happy Hacking, cdh On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:43 PM, william lomas wrote: hi will people get the IPod touch if it has speech or for the possibly high price, just get an i phone? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: 3 features that hmm?
Hi All, First, a couple of points to provide some context. I have never used Windows vista. I never understood why anyone installed that OS, it got bad reviews before it was ever released. My PC's sstill running XP. I also have never had any affiliation with NFB, and I have no desire to do so. If an organization takes a hostile posture against the Mac or anything else, well, that's sort of what organizations do--they take positions on things. If you don't like the things than an organization stands for, don't join. Or if you want, form another group to oppose them. But they represent only their organization, nothingmore. I thought their interview of the Mac was frankly stupid. The person who did it was not nearly experienced enough on the Mac to do anything more than put forth an initial opinion, and barely that NFB figured this out apparently, as they ended up with egg on their face having to recant some of the statements they'd made. Second, and I know I'm going to sound like all of our mothers, does the fact that Johny or susie did it make it right? I don't doubt that John has experienced the hostility that he described. But the fact that someone else is being a jerk doesn't give you or me the right to be a jerk too. Lastly, the intent of my message was never to defend Windows as Marie claimed, nor to make any evaluation of one operating system over the other. My point was simply that having more choices is better for the blind community as a whole, and people who don't dislike Windows aren't idiots any more than are those who choose Mac. Windows and Mac are two perfectly viable choices for blind users, and none of us has the right to act as though s/he is superior over anyone else because of the choice that we make, or because we don't despise the other choice. I'm telling you what I know from personal experience. There are many folks out there who either don't want to participate in Mac lists, or who stay away from the Mac because of attitudes they see from members of the Mac community. So, by being condescending, you're just shooting yoursellves in the foot, if what you want is for the Mac to hold a more prominent place in the blind user community. As I said before, let's just support each other, whatever OS we choose. In the long run it'll be better for everyone. Ok, all this said, this is my last post on this topic. I think this thread has run its course. Best, Donna -Original Message- From: Dan Eickmeier va3...@yahoo.ca Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? Well said John. When Vista came out, I wasn't impressed with it either, based on what I was hearing from people that were running it. I'd heard so many good things about the Mac, and the fact that I would have access to the mac right out of the box, without having to pay extra costs for a screen reader on top of the price of the mac, was also very compelling. As a result, I made the switch back in February of 2007, and haven't looked back since. I did use Windows occasionally and did have it installed in a VM, but I think with the improvements in Snow Leopard, i'll be using it even less. On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: I will disagree with Anyone who claims that there is no hostility or arrogance from the Windows community towards the Mac and, specifically, VoiceOver. Since VoiceOver became available in Tiger, I have encountered the very behavior and attitudes from Windows users towards the Mac as I have read some Windows users accuse Mac users of showing towards Windows. In fact, at NFB shows, this mentality has probably been the strongest. There is a mindset among hardcore members of the blindness organization of circling the wagons or protecting ones own, and I think anyone who tries to claim otherwise is not living on this planet. Sadly, I think Snow Leopard is only going to create more shrill and vitriolic responses in regard to Apple's efforts, and never any slightest acknowledgement of the good it is doing for the blind. Now, the one thing that is apparently overlooked is that many of us on this list and others who have been using the Mac are either former Windows users or, like myself, still use Windows. I will admit without hesitation that I take shots at Windows and openly criticize Microsoft, but having used Windows for some 13 years, I surely feel that I am qualified to do so and can speak about the shortcomings of Windows quite knowledgeably. This is not arrogance or anything else on my part. This is simply experience and the difference I have found in using the Mac. Yes, the dark side might be too strong of a term, yet, at the same time, it is like night and day. No viruses, spam, crashes and other Windows instability issues Windows users just seem to tolerate and accept as being normal. If anything, Vista
Anti-virus on the Mac
Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
text-files and openoffice?
Hello, I opened a text-file in openoffice and while it did open and i think it showed righton the screen i got no brialle and it just said soemthinglike sheet, as if it was a table. I couldnt figure out how to navigate it, i could open it in textedit but i wonder why i cant open it normally in openoffice and navigate through it? word documents seem to work fine in openoffice. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Hi, command-up arrow should do what you want. On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:06 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I really need this function. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Thanks a lot, i was getting worried there! i thought cmd-up was to get up one line but yes it brings you to the beginning of the document! Thanks! Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: Dan Eickmeier To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: beginning of document (textedit) Hi, command-up arrow should do what you want. On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:06 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I really need this function. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: text-files and openoffice?
Le 31 août 2009 à 22:07, a radix a écrit : Hello, I opened a text-file in openoffice and while it did open and i think it showed righton the screen i got no brialle and it just said soemthinglike sheet, as if it was a table. It sounds like your document was open as a spreadsheet. I couldnt figure out how to navigate it, i could open it in textedit but i wonder why i cant open it normally in openoffice and navigate through it? word documents seem to work fine in openoffice. What you could do is open it in TextEdit, save it as RTF or DOC and reopen it in OpenOffice. I am pretty sure that would force OOo to consider it as a text document and not as a spreadsheet. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a bug, please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hello Scott, First let me thank you and others for kindly responding to my question. I will go with V M Ware's Fusion. Yes, you are correct, my email addressed is based on my employment at UCLA. Again, many thanks. Most Sincerely, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Hi Mark, You'll be wanting to give Vmware Fusion a try I think. Virtual Box is free, and fairly usable true, but Vmware Fusion is by far the most accessible and well rounded product out of these 3. With your email address being what it is it's safe for me to assume you're in education of some sort, which means you should be able to pick up Fusion for $40 last I checked. Re which screen reader to use when, basically you'd use VO whenever you're highlighted on and performing something in Mac OS, your Windows screen reader of choice whenever you're focused on or performing something in Windows. Switching between the two OS's in Fusion is a synch, simply alt tab to Fusion, grab keyboard input with command-G and your mac will largely forget it's a mac until you tell it to remember. Both OS's are fully functional in the background when you're not focused on them, so it's very possible on a powerful machine to have the best of both worlds simultaneously. the one thing I'd say about Virtualisation is that, even though we're now running native on Intel chips, it still takes a slight performance hit with every system I've seen. You'll notice a slight lag or sluggishness in Windows Virtualised if you're fussy about performance, but for everyday tasks and assuming you're mainly going to be using Mac OS, the convenience outweighs the sluggishness. If however the remaining stuff you use Windows for is very system intensive, Boot Camp was probably your best option, but let's hope not eh. hth Scott On 8/31/09, hank smith hanksmi...@gmail.com wrote: how do you use that with vo? I couldn't get it to work last I tried that - Original Message - From: JC Helary brandel...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really played with it extensively as yet. I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. initial focus = keyboard keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked insertion point follows voice over cursor checked voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that is messing with the submenus] allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real difference] and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in leopard. hth On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a bug, please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is Spaces and ...
Hi there Mark. I hope your well. To answer your question, I will give the following explanation. Spaces Spaces, like inLinux, called Workspaces, are simply put, new desktops. So, consider this. Your in a office, and you have four work desks at your disposal. You use each work desk to house different types of work you would like to keep track of. Say, one work desk is for fun, one is for viewing handouts, one is for viewing requests given to you by your staff, and another is for piling up work that needs to be done. This is this same in regards to Spaces on the mac, and the OS Snow Leopard. By default, four spaces are activated, once you enable the spaces function in Expose and Spaces within System Preferences. Once you enable Spaces, by default, Control + Numbers 1 through 4 will control what space your currently working on, or using. YOu can also have Spaces Menu show up in the Status Menu Bar, where Time Machine, Airport, your current time, and Bluetooth Icons are housed. Currently, I use spaces for having different areas. I only use two personally, I only use two spaces currently. I use Control + 1 for Space 1, and Control + 2 for Space 2. So, Space one, if spaces is enabled, is alays hte default space you will be on, when you start up your mac. If you leave your computer on, and your working on Space 2, you will return to that particular space once your Mac wakes up again. I use Space 1 for Chat, and Internet, while Space 2 is used for documents that I am editing, creating, or reading.. Think of Spaces as a way to narrow down cluttering of your desktop to keep things organized. Expose The best way I can sum up Expose is by saying that is a manager of multiple windows. To my knowledge, we can access Expose with VO, but are unable to tell what window is currently being highlighted, and what window is being selected. It is basically used so that you are able to see what windows you have open for that current application, or all windows you have opened, so that you can navigate to it more quickly. I hope this helps. Take care Fonzie On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:22 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? Also, what is Exposay? Thank you. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
You are right Scott, Whenever I help my parents with their PC or I help other sighted people with their Pcs, I always get them to use the keyboard. My mum for one uses the keyboard and knows quite a few of the keystrokes in Windows. I will continue to write to Apple about this. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Scott, I've been using Fusion and Windows XP for a little over a month. I had never heard of the Command-G command before. What does it do? When I Command-Tab to Fusion, that command is treated as Windows-G. If I move out of the Windows scroll area with VO-Right Arrow and then press command-G, I don't see any change in behavior. Pressing Control-Alt still only works if I tell VoiceOver to ignore the next command, and keys involving the numeric keypad only work if I turn Numpad Commander off. Should I see a change in that behavior? And how do I turn off this feature? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: welcome dialog
Also, I think pressing v will stop this feature Marshall On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:00 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi for the person who did not want to be told to learn voiceover, at startup each time, turn it off in the general utilities settings of voice over --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is Spaces and ...
Hi Mark, I can't tell you what Exposé is, but here is my explaination of Spaces. But I'm sure others will also add better info for you. Spaces was introduced in Leopard and the ability it should give on Mac OS X has been a standard feature in many - if not all Linux/Unix based systems for a while. The feature allows you to use multiple desktop windows. For example, you can have one desktop window with your E Mail and web browser and another with your chat client. This is useful when you are doing more than one thing and you don't want to have everything in one window. The idea is that it should make you more productive, but unfortunately under Mac OS X, the concept is broken at least from a blindness/keyboard perspective. If for instance you press the keystroke to move to another Desktop window and you then use Command Tab to cycle through the open applications on this new Desktop you should only be able to see the applications that are currently running on that particular desktop. However, at present, Command Tab cycles through all applications regardless of which Desktop they are on. There is also an issue where I think if you open a new window for a running application which is running on another Desktop then the new window will open on your current Desktop. I have heard that you can work around this by selecting certain applications to open in certain Desktops which is an option but it should not work this way - at least this is my understanding. As I have said, under Linux/Unix, this feature works correctly and Apple have said that they are having some trouble fixing it, but perhaps the Accessibility folks are not the ones I should be talking to about it. Anyway... I hope this helps explain what the feature is and what it should do. Take care James - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: What is Spaces and ... Hello Everyone, While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? Also, what is Exposay? Thank you. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Anna, a side question here but what is the Voiceover command for ignoring the next key combination? Thanks, Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 15:55, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Scott, I've been using Fusion and Windows XP for a little over a month. I had never heard of the Command-G command before. What does it do? When I Command-Tab to Fusion, that command is treated as Windows-G. If I move out of the Windows scroll area with VO-Right Arrow and then press command-G, I don't see any change in behavior. Pressing Control-Alt still only works if I tell VoiceOver to ignore the next command, and keys involving the numeric keypad only work if I turn Numpad Commander off. Should I see a change in that behavior? And how do I turn off this feature? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
function keys in virtual Windows
Hi, I have a Mac Mini with a full keyboard, complete with numpad. If VoiceOver is off, pressing Command-F5 turns it on, so I apparently have it set so the software actions of the function keys are activated by default. If I'm running Windows XP in Fusion, the function keys work as expected if VoiceOver is on. However, if it's off, the function keys only work as expected if I hold down the FN key. Is there any way I can make them perform as I would expect without the FN key on the Windows side without changing how they perform on the Mac side? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
accessibleMovie editing software
hi Can blind use iMovie with VoiceOver. I'm looking for some video editing software that blind people can use. I need to cut edit the video, i have recorded on a video camera. Best regards Jorgen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: function keys in virtual Windows
There are two things you should do here: 1) In keyboard preferences, check to be sure the box is checked to make function keys act as normal. They're set not to by default, at least, on my Macbook. It won't hurt anything to check nor to change the state of this check box. 2) In system preferences/Expose and spaces preferences, you'll want to remap F9 through F12 to something else. Doing so is slightly tricky. Here's what I did: 1) On the popup menu for, for instance, the function mapped to F9, press VO+spacebar to open the menu. 2) Hold down the option key. VO will say Option F9. 3) Not releasing the option key, press the control key and space. The popup menu will now say Option F9. 4) Lather, rinse, and repeat for the mappings of F10 through F12. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi, I have a Mac Mini with a full keyboard, complete with numpad. If VoiceOver is off, pressing Command-F5 turns it on, so I apparently have it set so the software actions of the function keys are activated by default. If I'm running Windows XP in Fusion, the function keys work as expected if VoiceOver is on. However, if it's off, the function keys only work as expected if I hold down the FN key. Is there any way I can make them perform as I would expect without the FN key on the Windows side without changing how they perform on the Mac side? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
I suppose things will come up to where what happens if people who used macs had to go for Windows one day for work or something. Whether we like it or not, none of the Windows screen readers let you switch it so you'd have to learn how windows speaks the insertion point even though for sighted people it wouldn't be a change at all in that respect. I guess this history goes before my time why JFW chose to read it the way they did. I had to muck around in DOS once in awhile with Windows 3.1 waiting for support for 95, but thought this one was how the OS reported the position. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? Come on this is crazy. You just can't imagine the number of people who bitched and complained about this whole editing issue and I believe Apple was taken to task by one of the rags put out by the NFB or some organization about the editing issue. APparently enough people complained that Apple was trying to provide the flexibility for those users who need it. Yeah, I am one of the Scotts who made this point because I remember clearly the noise about this editing issue. I see no benefit in removing it and quite frankly since it's here, whatever at this point. If it really helps someone , fine because there are those who would simply not consider the Mac for this reason. It is an option and not a default and that is why it's a feature not worth removing. My point is you have to think beyond what you have stated and I don't entirely disagree with your point of what is or is not a standard way of editing etc. At the same time, it obviously didn't take a great deal of effort to implement it and at least it is an option. On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit even if they're bad ones. Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of the pond... Scott On 8/29/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus side is that for those who want to make the transition and really find what we grew up with difficult, will at least have a way to ease their transition over from the dark side. :)
Re: 3 features that hmm?
In Windows, the character it speaks seems to be the one the insertion point is before in both directions. So if you type Brent and arrow back to the B and hit forward delete, you delete the B. If you hit backspace, which is all the Macbooks have and it was running Windows, you delete the space you never heard mentioned before the B. Brent - Original Message - From: James Nash james.austin1...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? Personally, I find the Mac way of editing more intutitive, but that's just me. Also one of my friends told me that the Mac edits the way sighted folks would - i don't know if this is the case in Windows. - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:39 AM Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? Come on this is crazy. You just can't imagine the number of people who bitched and complained about this whole editing issue and I believe Apple was taken to task by one of the rags put out by the NFB or some organization about the editing issue. APparently enough people complained that Apple was trying to provide the flexibility for those users who need it. Yeah, I am one of the Scotts who made this point because I remember clearly the noise about this editing issue. I see no benefit in removing it and quite frankly since it's here, whatever at this point. If it really helps someone , fine because there are those who would simply not consider the Mac for this reason. It is an option and not a default and that is why it's a feature not worth removing. My point is you have to think beyond what you have stated and I don't entirely disagree with your point of what is or is not a standard way of editing etc. At the same time, it obviously didn't take a great deal of effort to implement it and at least it is an option. On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit even if they're bad ones. Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of the pond... Scott On 8/29/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus side is that for those who
Re: testing settings
The mail issue, I'm going to test this one. but let me clarify itunes, the browser as you put it, is this the grid view? I am having no problems here. checked all of the options, artists, albums, etc, the only thing I see that's different which is an 8.2 issue I beleive as I believe it stopped working when I last updated is the jumping using letters. Unless I'm missing something I cannot replicate your issues in itunes I'm afraid. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is not reading at all. On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really played with it extensively as yet. I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. initial focus = keyboard keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked insertion point follows voice over cursor checked voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that is messing with the submenus] allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real difference] and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in leopard. hth On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a bug, please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
ignore should be checked simon. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: Could you just clarify again please whether mouse cursor ignores voiceover cursor is checked or unchecked in your settings? It is not clear from your very helpful description. Thanks, Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 16:46, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is not reading at all. On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really played with it extensively as yet. I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. initial focus = keyboard keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked insertion point follows voice over cursor checked voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that is messing with the submenus] allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real difference] and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in leopard. hth On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a bug, please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
if windows seven is easy to install may get it On 31 Aug 2009, at 17:08, Brent Harding wrote: How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Anna, Hmmm, well it used to be the case that command-g grabbed keyboard input, stopped it from controlling Mac OS and started it controlling Windows in other words. This could be redundant now, from what you just described it sounds to me like Fusion is grabbing input automatically when you command tab to it. I haven't used Fusion for a while, so it's very possible that I've become a bit of a keystroke dinosaur. Scott On 8/31/09, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Scott, I've been using Fusion and Windows XP for a little over a month. I had never heard of the Command-G command before. What does it do? When I Command-Tab to Fusion, that command is treated as Windows-G. If I move out of the Windows scroll area with VO-Right Arrow and then press command-G, I don't see any change in behavior. Pressing Control-Alt still only works if I tell VoiceOver to ignore the next command, and keys involving the numeric keypad only work if I turn Numpad Commander off. Should I see a change in that behavior? And how do I turn off this feature? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
annoying issue in Amadeus Pro
Hi. I have two sound files, which I wanna copy into one file. When I try to copy the audio together in one file, Amadeus choose for some reason to paste the audio in only the left or only the right speaker. Yesterday, it pasted the audio so the sound came in only the left speaker, and a few minutes ago, it was only in the right speaker. I'm doing the following to paste the audio: 1: Open both files, so I can switch between the files by using the Window chooser. 2: Then I go to the end of the first file I opened 3: I find the second file by using the window chooser 4: I press command a to select all the audio, then command c to copy it. 5: I go back to the first file, and then paste the audio into the file by pressing command v. This works in all sound editing application I've used on Windows, but Amadeus paste the audio in mono... The weird thing is that yesterday it pasted the audio so it came from the left speaker, and as I wrote above, a few minutes ago, it pasted the audio so it came from the right speaker... Is it me who does something in a wrong, way, or is it a weird bug in the application? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
going quickly between windows in a program
Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Yes there is, you can use command-~, which works on the US keyboard, but I gather you may be using a different keyboard layout, so not sure if that will work. This will switch between the windows of that particular program. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:46 PM, a radix wrote: Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Swedish Braille available for SL
Hello everyone, Swedish Braille is now available as a beta release for Snow Leopard. If anyone on this list would like to try it and give us feedback, please e-mail us at: cons...@anarchie.org.uk Swedish Braille is part of the multilingual Braille package which also includes: Danish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Norwegian and Russian. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
my kitten is born!!!
Hi all, My new kitten is born I am going to have to be trained on it, since it's a new os, but I think I will make it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
wow, never even knew this feature existed. sorry. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, no. The browser is brought up with command-b, but it seems you have to be in the text view I gather since grid view behaves differently. The browser allows you to select a particular genre, album, or artist. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: The mail issue, I'm going to test this one. but let me clarify itunes, the browser as you put it, is this the grid view? I am having no problems here. checked all of the options, artists, albums, etc, the only thing I see that's different which is an 8.2 issue I beleive as I believe it stopped working when I last updated is the jumping using letters. Unless I'm missing something I cannot replicate your issues in itunes I'm afraid. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is not reading at all. On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really played with it extensively as yet. I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. initial focus = keyboard keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked insertion point follows voice over cursor checked voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that is messing with the submenus] allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real difference] and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in leopard. hth On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a bug, please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: watching (analog) tv on the mac?
Many TV cable boxes have a pair of audio outputs RCA (left/right) audio outputs which you can then hook to anything that takes a standard line-in. I have mine connected to my home stereo which sounds much better than the little speakers in the TV. Actually, I should say that I used to have it hooked up that way as I just canceled my cable and will be giving web-only media access a whirl. I haven't actually turned the TV on for months so it was kind of a waste. CB John G. Heim wrote: I can't find the beginning of this thread and I can't give any info about watching TV on the Mac but for $5 you can buy a cable that allows you to connect a VCR, DVD player, or a digital converter box to the sound input jack of your Mac. I don't have a TV any more. I just have a converter box. But I don't want a picture, just sound. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: What is Spaces and ...
Thank you, Fonzie. An excellent explanation. I understand. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fonzie Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:46 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What is Spaces and ... Hi there Mark. I hope your well. To answer your question, I will give the following explanation. Spaces Spaces, like inLinux, called Workspaces, are simply put, new desktops. So, consider this. Your in a office, and you have four work desks at your disposal. You use each work desk to house different types of work you would like to keep track of. Say, one work desk is for fun, one is for viewing handouts, one is for viewing requests given to you by your staff, and another is for piling up work that needs to be done. This is this same in regards to Spaces on the mac, and the OS Snow Leopard. By default, four spaces are activated, once you enable the spaces function in Expose and Spaces within System Preferences. Once you enable Spaces, by default, Control + Numbers 1 through 4 will control what space your currently working on, or using. YOu can also have Spaces Menu show up in the Status Menu Bar, where Time Machine, Airport, your current time, and Bluetooth Icons are housed. Currently, I use spaces for having different areas. I only use two personally, I only use two spaces currently. I use Control + 1 for Space 1, and Control + 2 for Space 2. So, Space one, if spaces is enabled, is alays hte default space you will be on, when you start up your mac. If you leave your computer on, and your working on Space 2, you will return to that particular space once your Mac wakes up again. I use Space 1 for Chat, and Internet, while Space 2 is used for documents that I am editing, creating, or reading.. Think of Spaces as a way to narrow down cluttering of your desktop to keep things organized. Expose The best way I can sum up Expose is by saying that is a manager of multiple windows. To my knowledge, we can access Expose with VO, but are unable to tell what window is currently being highlighted, and what window is being selected. It is basically used so that you are able to see what windows you have open for that current application, or all windows you have opened, so that you can navigate to it more quickly. I hope this helps. Take care Fonzie On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:22 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? Also, what is Exposay? Thank you. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel
Re: 3 features that hmm?
My recollection is the way the windows-based screen readers handle the cursor is from the DOS days and has not changed, even though for sighted windows users it has . Now of course your testing my memory from a very long time ago. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Brent Harding wrote: I suppose things will come up to where what happens if people who used macs had to go for Windows one day for work or something. Whether we like it or not, none of the Windows screen readers let you switch it so you'd have to learn how windows speaks the insertion point even though for sighted people it wouldn't be a change at all in that respect. I guess this history goes before my time why JFW chose to read it the way they did. I had to muck around in DOS once in awhile with Windows 3.1 waiting for support for 95, but thought this one was how the OS reported the position. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mic not working in Garage Band, and simple recording program?
I don't recall reading the beginning of this thread but in general Mac's don't have pre-amplifiers built in so a plain old mic will need to go through an external preamp before connecting to the Mac's line in. This could either be a dedicated box or the output from a mixer. USB mics, while limiting your choices also simplify things as they don't need the pre-amp. Line level inputs like CD-players or tape decks can just be plugged into the mac directly. CB Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Terrence, Do you have a microphone input as well as line in? If so, plug the mike into that and select that input rather than Line In. I don't think LIne In will work with a microphone. Or maybe there's a preamp that can be used. I have a Mac Mini, which doesn't have a microphone jack, so I had to buy a USB microphone. I bought two recording packages, Audio Hijack Pro for recording multiple sound sources at once (system audio, microphone, and line in) and Amadeus Pro for editing my recordings. These are both good programs. HTH, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: What is Spaces and ...
Thank you, James. I understand. I'm glad you mentioned the bug as this would most certainly have confused me when I attempted to use the Command+Alt key combination. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Nash Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What is Spaces and ... Hi Mark, I can't tell you what Exposé is, but here is my explaination of Spaces. But I'm sure others will also add better info for you. Spaces was introduced in Leopard and the ability it should give on Mac OS X has been a standard feature in many - if not all Linux/Unix based systems for a while. The feature allows you to use multiple desktop windows. For example, you can have one desktop window with your E Mail and web browser and another with your chat client. This is useful when you are doing more than one thing and you don't want to have everything in one window. The idea is that it should make you more productive, but unfortunately under Mac OS X, the concept is broken at least from a blindness/keyboard perspective. If for instance you press the keystroke to move to another Desktop window and you then use Command Tab to cycle through the open applications on this new Desktop you should only be able to see the applications that are currently running on that particular desktop. However, at present, Command Tab cycles through all applications regardless of which Desktop they are on. There is also an issue where I think if you open a new window for a running application which is running on another Desktop then the new window will open on your current Desktop. I have heard that you can work around this by selecting certain applications to open in certain Desktops which is an option but it should not work this way - at least this is my understanding. As I have said, under Linux/Unix, this feature works correctly and Apple have said that they are having some trouble fixing it, but perhaps the Accessibility folks are not the ones I should be talking to about it. Anyway... I hope this helps explain what the feature is and what it should do. Take care James - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: What is Spaces and ... Hello Everyone, While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? Also, what is Exposay? Thank you. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Cc: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind disc...@macvisionaries.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been
What is Exposé, and how to use its assigned keys in Fusion [was Re: What is Spaces and ...}
Hi Mark and Others, M. Taylor wrote: Also, what is Exposay? I'm pasting in a post I made to the mac-access list a few months ago, and I'll add some comments about why you want to disable (or at least reassign) the Exposé keys (F9, F10, and F11) so you can use them freely in Fusion. I also described Exposé in part of a post to this list on Rewinding and Fast forwarding in iTunes -- submitted after this list moved to GoogleGroups, but before archiving at the Mail Archive site was enabled in February of this year. You can try to read that post at: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/9477875096ee36fc? (Rewinding and Fast forwarding in iTunes [was Re: iTunes question]) (or run a Google search on iTunes question Exposé macvisionaries rewinding if the above link does not work). begin excerpt of mac-access post Exposé is a visual way of switching between active windows that is analogous to running VoiceOver's window chooser menu (VO-F2 twice). Instead of getting the results displayed within a list view, Exposé turns your entire screen into a kind of Finder window with each window displayed as a small thumbnail image as though you were using icon view mode. A sighted person who has many windows open simultaneously sees small versions of each window on the screen, with his current window highlighted, and can move his mouse cursor to quickly select the new one to switch to. As soon as a window is selected (by routing the cursor to the thumbnail of the desired window and clicking with mouse or trackpad key), Exposé shifts focus to that window. So it would be used in the same situations you would use the window chooser menu -- lots of windows being used simultaneously, and more efficient to query them instead of switching through them one by one with Command-accent -- but offers a visual mode of selection (icon view vs. list view). What happens when you press any of the Exposé shortcut keys -- F9, F10, or F11 -- is that the application is waiting for you to make a selection by clicking with your mouse on one of the thumbnail-view windows. If you simply press the same Exposé key again you get returned to your current window. The F9 key lets you select from all windows of all applications, while the F10 key lets you select from all windows of your current app. The third Exposé key, F11, lets you hide current windows so that sighted users can view the Desktop. A second press of F11 brings your current windows back to view. I can't think of any instance where a visually impaired Mac user would use Exposé, and VoiceOver should offer an option (and default setting) to disable all the Exposé shortcut keys, possibly along with the Dashboard widget shortcut key (F12). (I forgot to mention that there's another mode, where if you hold down the Shift key with the Exposé key the transition gets slowed down so that it's easier to follow your current window as it gets iconified in the Screen view. That's a real killer for VoiceOver users, because even if you think to press the key sequence again to reverse it and recover access to your window, nothing seems to happen because all the transitions are taking place in slow motion.) Just disable the keyboard shortcuts for the Exposé (and Dashboard) keys or at least reassign them to some other key sequences. On the newer keyboards they can interfere with your use of the media keys to control volume and forward/rewind action (if you forget to hold down the Fn key). 1. Bring up System Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, down arrow into Apple menu, press s y to go to System Preferences, return) 2. Navigate (e.g., tab 4 times) to Exposé Spaces and select (VO- Space) 3. Navigate (VO-right arrow) to the Exposé tab and select (VO-Space) 4. Navigate (VO-right arrow) to the keyboard shortcuts for Exposé. 5. Change the popup buttons for each shortcut to - where the hyphen key is to the right of the 0 at the top row of numbers. (VO-right arrow past the definitions for All Windows, Application Windows, and Show Desktop to the popup buttons, VO-space, then press - to change from default definitions of F9, F10, and F11; you can also redefine these to some other key combination by selecting Right Shift or Right Command, etc.) 6. Navigate (VO-right arrow) to the shortcut for Dashboard and similarly disable (by pressing the hyphen key) or reassign the shortcut from F12 to some other key sequence on the popup button. 7. Close the window (Command-W) Hope this helps. Going to the Keyboard Shortcuts tab of the Keyboard Mouse menu under System Preferences, and unchecking the boxes for the Exposé and Dashboard shortcut definitions in the table also works, but if you use the Exposé Spaces menu you'll find all the key definitions together in one place, along with a short explanation of what the Exposé action does. You can also more easily reassign the shortcut
snow leopard and rom
Hi all So I was using 1 gb of ram with my macbook running snow leopard. I upgraded it to 4 gb yesterday and am finding that it works noticably better. So I recommend a a ram upgrade if you are using less than 2 gb lol. Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Hi Donna, I use XP myself and will continue to do so for the time being. I had tried Vista for the sake of knowledge and curiosity and I'll probably give Windows 7 a shot as far as the desire to know what that is like as well. However, when it comes to using Windows when I have a need to, XP will continue to get the job done for me. Now, as for the NFB, it is not specific to them or any organization. Unfortunately, VoiceOver bashing has come from all of the major blindness groups at one time or another, dating back to the AFB when Tiger first came out. The NFB article you note is only one of a few publications that obviously did its best to discredit Apple and VoiceOver. Frankly, it is not a matter of taking a position. There are clearly special interests involved, which, I think, do not have to be spelled out, since the majority of blind computer users are utilizing Windows and the implications can be taken from there. As the saying goes, follow the money trail. My experience I referred to mentioned an NFB show, but I have encountered the same sort of negative reactions at other trade shows having nothing to do with specific blindness organizations. Whether these individuals were members of any, I have no idea. I was just pointing out that it is not necessarily the Mac community that demonstrates such hostility and shameful behavior. And you are absolutely correct. As the saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right and such nastiness should not be acceptable from any quarter, especially over something as trivial in life as ones choice of computer access. Similarly, however, one should also not take immediate offense or the like if someone offers an opinion about a given operating system that is supported by experience, documentation or general knowledge. In other words, as I said, I do take my share of shots at Windows, but I always keep my remarks in line with reality and experience and what is being also talked about in technical articles and forums. As far as I am concerned, there is no company, OS or product that is perfect, regardless of whether it is Apple, Microsoft or anyone else. Take Care John Panarese On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi All, First, a couple of points to provide some context. I have never used Windows vista. I never understood why anyone installed that OS, it got bad reviews before it was ever released. My PC's sstill running XP. I also have never had any affiliation with NFB, and I have no desire to do so. If an organization takes a hostile posture against the Mac or anything else, well, that's sort of what organizations do--they take positions on things. If you don't like the things than an organization stands for, don't join. Or if you want, form another group to oppose them. But they represent only their organization, nothingmore. I thought their interview of the Mac was frankly stupid. The person who did it was not nearly experienced enough on the Mac to do anything more than put forth an initial opinion, and barely that NFB figured this out apparently, as they ended up with egg on their face having to recant some of the statements they'd made. Second, and I know I'm going to sound like all of our mothers, does the fact that Johny or susie did it make it right? I don't doubt that John has experienced the hostility that he described. But the fact that someone else is being a jerk doesn't give you or me the right to be a jerk too. Lastly, the intent of my message was never to defend Windows as Marie claimed, nor to make any evaluation of one operating system over the other. My point was simply that having more choices is better for the blind community as a whole, and people who don't dislike Windows aren't idiots any more than are those who choose Mac. Windows and Mac are two perfectly viable choices for blind users, and none of us has the right to act as though s/he is superior over anyone else because of the choice that we make, or because we don't despise the other choice. I'm telling you what I know from personal experience. There are many folks out there who either don't want to participate in Mac lists, or who stay away from the Mac because of attitudes they see from members of the Mac community. So, by being condescending, you're just shooting yoursellves in the foot, if what you want is for the Mac to hold a more prominent place in the blind user community. As I said before, let's just support each other, whatever OS we choose. In the long run it'll be better for everyone. Ok, all this said, this is my last post on this topic. I think this thread has run its course. Best, Donna -Original Message- From: Dan Eickmeier va3...@yahoo.ca Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Hello Brent, I was a private beta tester for Windows 7 so I have the final version that will be released to the public next month. It installs perfectly. Yes, one still needs sighted assistance to install Windows 7. This is very heart breaking considering the fact that in the first beta release of 7, one had the option to get audio assistance. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Microsoft removed this feature. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Hello, i found the key, on my mac, its not on my pc keyboard strangely enough. I will try it. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, you should find the key you're looking for to the left of z. Might be different on your keyboard layout, but try command with that first and let us know how you get on. hth Scott On 8/31/09, a radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: going quickly between windows in a program
It might depend on your keyboard layout. For me, it's right above the Tab key. Try doing Vo-K to go into keyboard help, and ooking around for it, if the key above the Tab key doesn't turn out to be the right one. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:41 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin mailto:goodi...@msu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 BR No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Hey, it was indeed the one left of the z on the mac, i dont have it there on the pc. It works! thanks a lot all, i now only sometimes get a ruler message in text edit, i will look if i can turn it off, wow now i can browse though text as fast on the mac as on the pc, great! Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:59 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program It might depend on your keyboard layout. For me, it's right above the Tab key. Try doing Vo-K to go into keyboard help, and ooking around for it, if the key above the Tab key doesn't turn out to be the right one. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:41 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 BR No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
To William: RE: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Hello William, Well, it's been a while since the first beta of Windows 7 but as memory serves, it was functional. Of course, at that time, I did not have a Mac in which to compare but I do remember that I was able to install the OS without sighted assistance. This was quite a surprise as no one expected this feature to be included. I remember thinking, Finally! Now we have something to respond with when Mac people talk about the advantages of the Mac. (Smile) Of course, with the next Beta, this feature was removed. Were I a jaded individual, I would suspect that companies like Freedom Scientific lobbied MS to remove it. But of course, I'm not jaded. (Big Smile) Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question ah wow how did the audio assistanc work On 31 Aug 2009, at 19:46, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Brent, I was a private beta tester for Windows 7 so I have the final version that will be released to the public next month. It installs perfectly. Yes, one still needs sighted assistance to install Windows 7. This is very heart breaking considering the fact that in the first beta release of 7, one had the option to get audio assistance. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Microsoft removed this feature. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Just testing my settings, disregard
Just disregard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Wow, that's a shame, that they did offer that in one of the betas,and then took it away. Anyway, to stay on topic with Apple stuff, from Tiger, on, Apple has always given us the ability to install with VOiceover, which is awesome On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:50 PM, william lomas wrote: ah wow how did the audio assistanc work On 31 Aug 2009, at 19:46, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Brent, I was a private beta tester for Windows 7 so I have the final version that will be released to the public next month. It installs perfectly. Yes, one still needs sighted assistance to install Windows 7. This is very heart breaking considering the fact that in the first beta release of 7, one had the option to get audio assistance. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Microsoft removed this feature. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Anouk, I don't have text edit in front of me, but from memory it'd be worth you having a look through the view menu. I'm pretty sure you'll find the ruler as an option in there you can uncheck if you don't use it. hth Scott On 8/31/09, a radix anou...@home.nl wrote: Hey, it was indeed the one left of the z on the mac, i dont have it there on the pc. It works! thanks a lot all, i now only sometimes get a ruler message in text edit, i will look if i can turn it off, wow now i can browse though text as fast on the mac as on the pc, great! Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:59 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program It might depend on your keyboard layout. For me, it's right above the Tab key. Try doing Vo-K to go into keyboard help, and ooking around for it, if the key above the Tab key doesn't turn out to be the right one. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:41 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 BR No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti-virus on the Mac
Okay, I'm using Protect Mac Anti Virus which is also an Anti Spyware- Anti Malware application, its extremely accessible and you only see it when it needs to scan something or give you a warning of some description, cases where you may see a Protect Mac window pop up are when you insert a DVD or plug in your Ipod for obvious reasons smile. http://www.protectmac.com How good is the software? Well quite frankly I just hope it does the job and I really don't want to find out how good it is smile but I'm sure if you use Google you'll find reviews of all sorts of Anti Virus packages for the Mac, this one is frequently updated and Protect Mac is quite cheap at $45.00, you can download a 30 day trial version. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
To Howard: RE: Getting stuff done!
Hello Howard, What application, if any, do you use to pay bills and access financial services? Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Howard Dupuis Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:19 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Getting stuff done! Hello to all. Just wanted to note that I'm loving the ease with which I can move around on the Web (and elsewhere) using VO's new features in Snow Leopard. I just now paid a few bills -- yes, it's that time of the month -- and I was in in, around, over, and out in no time at all. And like everyone else, of course, this is after just a couple of days. Just wait til I've had some practice! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti-virus on the Mac
Hello, I was running Protectmac and I really liked it. At this point in time, I have not purchased it. I did email them and let them know how well it works with VoiceOver. Everything is completely accessible. I also ran a few test strings and it worked as it should. While I don't have their web site at hand, under support, you will find the test site I went to, in order to get the test strings. These strings can be used to test other virus checkers as well. I am still deciding if I'll put it on Snow Leopard or not. I did test it last Friday under SL and it works just fine and all the VO accessibility is still available. Dan On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: Okay, I'm using Protect Mac Anti Virus which is also an Anti Spyware- Anti Malware application, its extremely accessible and you only see it when it needs to scan something or give you a warning of some description, cases where you may see a Protect Mac window pop up are when you insert a DVD or plug in your Ipod for obvious reasons smile. http://www.protectmac.com How good is the software? Well quite frankly I just hope it does the job and I really don't want to find out how good it is smile but I'm sure if you use Google you'll find reviews of all sorts of Anti Virus packages for the Mac, this one is frequently updated and Protect Mac is quite cheap at $45.00, you can download a 30 day trial version. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
F keys on the keyboard [was Re: going quickly between windows in a program]
Hi Anouk, a radix wrote: Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, You've already been given the window switching option of Command- (grave) accent that switches between all windows of the currently active application. The key may be in a different location on a non- English keyboard, but for me the accent key is at the far left, beside the 1 key and under the Escape key. If you turn on keyboard practice mode (VO-K to start, press escape to stop), you'll hear the names of each key announced when you press it. It sounds as though you pressed one of the Exposé keys (F9, F10 or F11) if you thought you froze the keyboard by pressing an F key. Exposé is a visually based window chooser -- kind of like using icon view mode instead of list view mode in Finder -- and I described it in another post that I made a few minutes ago. Just press the same key again to leave this mode. Exposé is waiting for you to select a window to switch to by clicking with your mouse. If you press the Exposé key again, it will return focus to your current window. (I wrote to accessibility suggesting that there should be a VoiceOver feature to easily disable Exposé, because I don't imagine that any visually impaired person will use this. The key assignments also conflicts with key mappings people might want to assign to Windows if they use Fusion. This is somewhat confusing under Snow Leopard, because on a laptop you may have set up the Exposé key to be Fn+F10 or it could be F10. If you go to the System Preferences Menu (VO-M, arrow down, press s y, press enter) and go to the Keyboard and Mouse button (VO-I, for item chooser menu, press K to go to Keyboard and Mouse menu entry, press enter), press the button (VO-Space). In the Keyboard Mouse window, VO-Right arrow to the General tab and make sure it is selected (press with VO-Space if needed). VO-Right arrow to the checkbox for Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys When this option is selected, press the Fn key to use the special features printed on each key. You can use VO-Space to check or uncheck this box. If this box is checked, on a laptop with VoiceOver running you, the defaults are: Turn VoiceOver on and off with Command-F5 and you Mute volume with Fn+F10; F10 is the Exposé key to select from all Windows Decrease volume with Fn+F11; F11 is the Exposé key to show Desktop Increase volume with Fn+F12; F12 is the key to hide/show Dashboard If the box to use F keys as standard function keys is unchecked, you Mute volume with F10; Fn+F10 is the Exposé key to select from Application Windows Decrease volume with F11; Fn+F11 is the Exposé key to show Desktop Increase volume with F12; Fn+F12 is the key to hide/show Dashboard Here is a list of the F key actions for the newer keyboards (meaning MacBooks from November 2007 and later, MacBook Pros from February 2008 and later, the new Unibody MacBooks, MacBook Pros, and MacBook Airs) from the MacRumors guides: http://guides.macrumors.com/Keyboard_shortcuts begin excerpt F1 decrease brightness (command+F1 changes display mode, option+F1 brings up display prefs) F2 increase brightness (option+F2 brings up display prefs) F3 exposé (F3 shows all windows, control+F3 shows app windows, option +F3 brings up exposé prefs, command+F3 shows desktop) F4 dashboard (option+F4 brings up exposé prefs) F5 decrease keyboard brightness for backlit keyboards (option+F5 brings up keyboard prefs) F6 increase keyboard brightness for backlit keyboards (option+F6 brings up keyboard prefs) F7 media navigation backwards (like hitting back on Apple Remote) F8 media play/pause (like hitting play/pause on Apple Remote) F9 media navigation forwards (like hitting next on Apple Remote) F10 mute volume (option+F10 brings up sound prefs) F11 decrease volume (option+shift+F11 for incremental decrease, option +F11 brings up sound prefs) F12 increase volume (option+shift+F12 for incremental increase, option +F12 brings up sound prefs) end excerpt The media function keys (F7, F8, and F9) let you reverse, play/pause, and forward in various players (iTunes, VLC, DVD player, etc.) and control the playback even when that application is playing in the background, and another app has focus. On my MacBook I have the Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys box checked, so I would adjust volume, brightness, etc. without first pressing the Fn key prefix, and I would also
Re: text-files and openoffice?
Okay, I've just tried this here and no problem whatever. Remember a few differences exist in the way Open Office does things, each paragraph is contained within its own edit box so you're probably better off navigating with the vo-left and right keys. Some of the navigation commands are different - and in my opinion far better -, for example to get to the start of a document use command- home and to get to the end use command-end, use shift in conjunction to highlight. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, a radix wrote: Hello, I opened a text-file in openoffice and while it did open and i think it showed righton the screen i got no brialle and it just said soemthinglike sheet, as if it was a table. I couldnt figure out how to navigate it, i could open it in textedit but i wonder why i cant open it normally in openoffice and navigate through it? word documents seem to work fine in openoffice. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: annoying issue in Amadeus Pro
Have you tried the join files option? I think its in the Sound Menu. On 01/09/2009, at 2:46 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. I have two sound files, which I wanna copy into one file. When I try to copy the audio together in one file, Amadeus choose for some reason to paste the audio in only the left or only the right speaker. Yesterday, it pasted the audio so the sound came in only the left speaker, and a few minutes ago, it was only in the right speaker. I'm doing the following to paste the audio: 1: Open both files, so I can switch between the files by using the Window chooser. 2: Then I go to the end of the first file I opened 3: I find the second file by using the window chooser 4: I press command a to select all the audio, then command c to copy it. 5: I go back to the first file, and then paste the audio into the file by pressing command v. This works in all sound editing application I've used on Windows, but Amadeus paste the audio in mono... The weird thing is that yesterday it pasted the audio so it came from the left speaker, and as I wrote above, a few minutes ago, it pasted the audio so it came from the right speaker... Is it me who does something in a wrong, way, or is it a weird bug in the application? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti-virus on the Mac
Thank you Dane and Dan, I'll certainly give this a look. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Anti-virus on the Mac Okay, I'm using Protect Mac Anti Virus which is also an Anti Spyware- Anti Malware application, its extremely accessible and you only see it when it needs to scan something or give you a warning of some description, cases where you may see a Protect Mac window pop up are when you insert a DVD or plug in your Ipod for obvious reasons smile. http://www.protectmac.com How good is the software? Well quite frankly I just hope it does the job and I really don't want to find out how good it is smile but I'm sure if you use Google you'll find reviews of all sorts of Anti Virus packages for the Mac, this one is frequently updated and Protect Mac is quite cheap at $45.00, you can download a 30 day trial version. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti-virus on the Mac
Hi, I also am using this program and I really llike it. It doesn't seem to slow the computer down. That's a plus in my book. On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 05:18:35 +1000 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay, I'm using Protect Mac Anti Virus which is also an Anti Spyware- Anti Malware application, its extremely accessible and you only see it when it needs to scan something or give you a warning of some description, cases where you may see a Protect Mac window pop up are when you insert a DVD or plug in your Ipod for obvious reasons smile. http://www.protectmac.com How good is the software? Well quite frankly I just hope it does the job and I really don't want to find out how good it is smile but I'm sure if you use Google you'll find reviews of all sorts of Anti Virus packages for the Mac, this one is frequently updated and Protect Mac is quite cheap at $45.00, you can download a 30 day trial version. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: keyboard layout?
You have to go to your menu bar by pressing the shortcut key combination of control+f8 or by pressing vo+m twice. There you can check your battery status, date and time, bluetootth status, and the keyboard layout. You can choose your keyboard layout there too. Hope this helps. Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 19:49, a radix wrote: Hello, as a follow up to my last message, where can i see what keyboard layout i use? i looked in system preferences/keyboard and mouse but cant find it there. Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to determine speed of airport connection with voiceover??
This is correct. Choose the Info tab and then choose the en1 Network interface from the popup button. That will update the Interface Information which will tell you the Link Speed. Mine says 54Mbps so I'm on an 802.11g hotspot but my card also supports 802.11N which has an upper limit of 600Mb although the current fastest is 450Mb with an expected real world throughput of 110Mb. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11n CB Barry Hadder wrote: John, I believe you can find this information in the network utility found in the utilities folder. On Aug 21, 2009, at 2:58 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi listers, How can I determine the speed at which my airport card has connected to my wireless router? A forum I read online says to hold option while clicking on the airport menu icon. Upon doing this, I do not get the number of MBPS of my connection. I'm interested in this, because it's a bit more precise than the number of bars that show up. Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't get my rules to work.
I am having the same problem but it might have something to do with people not checking their to field or cc field. I receive e-mails from some particular individuals on the list but never from others so I assume this may have something to do with their including my private email address in the headers. I have no idea how to address as I have e-mailed the individuals concerned with the request to check their headrs but received no reply nor did the problem improve either. grin Best, Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 21:05, Mike wrote: Hi all: I'm having trouble with my rule for the mail I receive from this list. I'm still receiving email in my in box, not in the mac visionaries mailbox I've created. The discription I use is: Mac Visionaries rule. I have the conditions set to any, actions set to move and a setting, not sure what column its in, set to contains and the next field macvisionaries. I'm still getting all the mail. Do I have to apply a rule to each msg? Maybe that's the prob, I'm getting the perticipants emails directly, not from the macvisionaries@googlegroups.com address. Frustrated: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: text-files and openoffice?
Hello, yes i will try to convert some of my documents to .doc format (everything is in txt now) and i will try htem in open ofifce, i will also see if i can quickly switch through documents. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: text-files and openoffice? Okay, I've just tried this here and no problem whatever. Remember a few differences exist in the way Open Office does things, each paragraph is contained within its own edit box so you're probably better off navigating with the vo-left and right keys. Some of the navigation commands are different - and in my opinion far better -, for example to get to the start of a document use command-home and to get to the end use command-end, use shift in conjunction to highlight. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, a radix wrote: Hello, I opened a text-file in openoffice and while it did open and i think it showed righton the screen i got no brialle and it just said soemthinglike sheet, as if it was a table. I couldnt figure out how to navigate it, i could open it in textedit but i wonder why i cant open it normally in openoffice and navigate through it? word documents seem to work fine in openoffice. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti-virus on the Mac
Yep I forgot to mention that obvious fact in my previous message smile, Protect Mac is as a virus programme should be in my book, Seen and not heard smile. On 01/09/2009, at 6:04 AM, Chris G wrote: Hi, I also am using this program and I really llike it. It doesn't seem to slow the computer down. That's a plus in my book. On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 05:18:35 +1000 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay, I'm using Protect Mac Anti Virus which is also an Anti Spyware- Anti Malware application, its extremely accessible and you only see it when it needs to scan something or give you a warning of some description, cases where you may see a Protect Mac window pop up are when you insert a DVD or plug in your Ipod for obvious reasons smile. http://www.protectmac.com How good is the software? Well quite frankly I just hope it does the job and I really don't want to find out how good it is smile but I'm sure if you use Google you'll find reviews of all sorts of Anti Virus packages for the Mac, this one is frequently updated and Protect Mac is quite cheap at $45.00, you can download a 30 day trial version. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac mini mic jack
Your guess is correct. The Macs have a line-in without a mic preamp. As posted by this person some time ago: http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/215780-post5.html most of the PC sound cards have a mic input with a preamp but the sound quality is poor. I guess Apple figured that anybody who wanted to do stuff with external mics would want to have good sound quality and would pick a preamp that they like. Condenser mics also need 48 v power (sometimes called phantom power) so just doing a line input removed a who lot of complexity that many users just wouldn't care about. That also means a bunch of junky PC mics just won't work with the Mac without some external gear. Most $30 and up preamps will sound pretty decent and have lots of nice features. Here's one example just googling around: http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHMIC100 CB Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! Okay, just because the microphone worked with the Windows PC doesn't mean its going to work with the Mac I'm afraid and if my hunch is correct - that you're using a microphone which plugs into the microphone jack of a PC and you're expecting it to work plugged into the Line in jack of your Mac - then you're going to be a little disappointed I think smile. I can't answer your garage Band question I'm afraid so let's deal with Skype then. The first thing you need to do is set the audio preferences in Skype, these are independent o the System Preferences for the Mac and are found by pressing command-, in Skype, go to the Toolbar, interact with it and press vo-space on the Audio button. From here you select your input and output, make sure the input reflects the microphone or whatever you're using. I bypassed a lot of this trouble by using a simple USB microphone, Logitech sell one for about $40.00 which does an excellent job, its the same as the one I use. You may also like to consider a USB headset though be a little careful here, some microphones on some sound as though you have your finger stuck up your nose smile. One final thing, to determine what you sound like on Skype, make a call to Skype Test Call which should be in your contacts table somewhere, if you can't find it then go into the View menu and select Show offline contacts On 22/08/2009, at 12:46 PM, John G. Heim wrote: I am trying to use skype on my mac mini. But the microphone doesn't work. I know the microphone I am using works because I just made a skype call with it on my Windows machine on Monday. I also tried connecting a stereo imput line to the jack and recording something with Garage Band and that didn't work either. I went into system preferences and found the imput tab. I turned the lin-in volume up to 100%. Still no luck. Any ideas? ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net mailto:grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
OT: embedded links in mail [was Re: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year]
Hi Scott, Bit off topic, but just thought I would mention that when you forward articles this way only users who receive your mail in Rich Text mode will be able to click on the link. This is the source of the problems that James had with some of your earlier posts. If you check in the mail archive forums for this list, all these forwarded entries show up with non-clickable links and no information about the URL for the source. So for James and others who may experience difficulty. This link is: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/31/apple_expected_to_offer_iphone_on_new_u_s_carriers_within_a_year.html This may be too long for users to easily click on from mail. I don't like posting links to sites that can't be easily identified, but the alternative is to use a tiny url, and have users first go to: http://tinyurl.com/preview.php and accept a cookie so they can first preview the site address. Then a shortened link like: http://tiny.cc/XIkg1 can first be verified at least as to its source address. Cheers, Esther Scott Howell wrote: Folks, I know there has been a lot of excitement about SL, but I wanted to share this article, which updates some other areas Apple is working on. One of these is about the iPhone and even the future of the Apple TV perhaps. Check it out, there are some interesting bits in here.Begin forwarded message: Date: August 31, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT Subject: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year Source: AppleInsider Apple's worldwide single-carrier exclusivity model for each nation is seen as fleeting, as a new report suggests the iPhone could be available for carriers other than ATT in the U.S. within a year. Read more… --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going back a page
Dear Anouk, In SAfari, if you want to go back a page you press command+left bracket, the key immediately to the right of the p letter. Command +right bracket, the key next to the one next to P leter should move you forward. Best wishes, Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 21:56, a radix wrote: Hello, i havent found this command on the mac yet and i use it a lot on the pc where it is alt left arrow, i cant find it in the safari view menu and command left arrow does not seem towork but after my luck with the window switching command, is there a command for this in safari? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
you will have problems with jaws and it not reading jaws cursor you will keep having to switch your screen resulution back to 1024/768 - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:19 AM Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Hi Mark, You'll be wanting to give Vmware Fusion a try I think. Virtual Box is free, and fairly usable true, but Vmware Fusion is by far the most accessible and well rounded product out of these 3. With your email address being what it is it's safe for me to assume you're in education of some sort, which means you should be able to pick up Fusion for $40 last I checked. Re which screen reader to use when, basically you'd use VO whenever you're highlighted on and performing something in Mac OS, your Windows screen reader of choice whenever you're focused on or performing something in Windows. Switching between the two OS's in Fusion is a synch, simply alt tab to Fusion, grab keyboard input with command-G and your mac will largely forget it's a mac until you tell it to remember. Both OS's are fully functional in the background when you're not focused on them, so it's very possible on a powerful machine to have the best of both worlds simultaneously. the one thing I'd say about Virtualisation is that, even though we're now running native on Intel chips, it still takes a slight performance hit with every system I've seen. You'll notice a slight lag or sluggishness in Windows Virtualised if you're fussy about performance, but for everyday tasks and assuming you're mainly going to be using Mac OS, the convenience outweighs the sluggishness. If however the remaining stuff you use Windows for is very system intensive, Boot Camp was probably your best option, but let's hope not eh. hth Scott On 8/31/09, hank smith hanksmi...@gmail.com wrote: how do you use that with vo? I couldn't get it to work last I tried that - Original Message - From: JC Helary brandel...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SL Bluetooth Braille + Brailliant = FAIL
Ok so I was super excited to hear I'd be able to use my Brailliant over bluetooth with Snow Leopard but so far I have been totally unable to make the display work. I'm currently emailing the heck out of Apple trying to figure out why my display doesn't work (Apple claims that they know the Brailliant does in fact work) so hopefully they can discover what is happening with mine. I know the bluetooth on it works as I can use it in Windows (even on the same hardware) perfectly. Is anyone else using a Brailliant or Super Vario and gotten it to work over bluetooth? Has anyone gotten ANY of the supported displays working over BT yet? I have a relatively new Brailliant with v10 firmware. If the people with working Brailliant/Super Varios could post their firmware version numbers that might tell us something (it can be seen on the status menu item) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year
True, but it is also an opportunity for satellite and cable providers to expand into new areas possibly. It is hard to say how this would work or what impact it may have, but it is certainly possible it may help to change the landscape of the industry and perhaps shift things a little more in favor of the consumer. As the article pointed out, it is unlikely that people would purchase TV shows and the like piecemeal, but yet maybe that isn't a bad option either. I'd love to make it possible to only subscribe to shows that would interest me. As an example, we have the least expensive package Dish offers because there is only a handful of shows my wife and son watch and I don't bother with any of it, since there's nothing I'm interested in. However, if I could configure a package that gave them what they wanted and perhaps found stuff I wanted, it would be a perfect solution and better that then maybe I could just watch it on my machine instead of sitting in front of the TV. Maybe this is also an opportunity to push the idea to Apple in making the iTV accessible as well. Apple has been smart to branch out and seek other venues for their business and that type of diversity is beneficial for them and us as well. I agree, it will be interesting to see how things play out. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: Scott, This is an interesting read, especially the bits on TV shows. I was reading something on Sunday where a Microsoft Executive was warning the television industry that Apple could do to it what it’s done to music. Apparently the fact that they made it easy for consumers to purchase what they wanted, albums or song by song and in an extremely easy way has been a problem for the record companies. And that we don’t go down to the record store and purchase albums. You can bet the cable companies are going to line up and fight this. I think this will be different than how music went because, while you had a few big chains of record stores that lost out because we don’t purchase CDs along with a lot of mom and pop shops, with TV shows you’ve got billion dollar corporations that stand in the way as distributors. You can bet that these guys (Comcast, Cox, Time Warner) and others aren’t going to just let this happen. Could be entertaining to watch how new technology and product distribution methods battle with dinosaur cable and satellite companies. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Fwd: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year Folks, I know there has been a lot of excitement about SL, but I wanted to share this article, which updates some other areas Apple is working on. One of these is about the iPhone and even the future of the Apple TV perhaps. Check it out, there are some interesting bits in here.Begin forwarded message: Date: August 31, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT Subject: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year Source: AppleInsider Apple's worldwide single-carrier exclusivity model for each nation is seen as fleeting, as a new report suggests the iPhone could be available for carriers other than ATT in the U.S. within a year. Read more… --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OT: embedded links in mail [was Re: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year]
Thanks Esther, was not sure what the issue was and I'll keep that in mind. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Scott, Bit off topic, but just thought I would mention that when you forward articles this way only users who receive your mail in Rich Text mode will be able to click on the link. This is the source of the problems that James had with some of your earlier posts. If you check in the mail archive forums for this list, all these forwarded entries show up with non-clickable links and no information about the URL for the source. So for James and others who may experience difficulty. This link is: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/31/apple_expected_to_offer_iphone_on_new_u_s_carriers_within_a_year.html This may be too long for users to easily click on from mail. I don't like posting links to sites that can't be easily identified, but the alternative is to use a tiny url, and have users first go to: http://tinyurl.com/preview.php and accept a cookie so they can first preview the site address. Then a shortened link like: http://tiny.cc/XIkg1 can first be verified at least as to its source address. Cheers, Esther Scott Howell wrote: Folks, I know there has been a lot of excitement about SL, but I wanted to share this article, which updates some other areas Apple is working on. One of these is about the iPhone and even the future of the Apple TV perhaps. Check it out, there are some interesting bits in here.Begin forwarded message: Date: August 31, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT Subject: Apple expected to offer iPhone on new U.S. carriers within a year Source: AppleInsider Apple's worldwide single-carrier exclusivity model for each nation is seen as fleeting, as a new report suggests the iPhone could be available for carriers other than ATT in the U.S. within a year. Read more… --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A problem With Pages
Hi! I'm a fan of Pages but I'm coming up against a problem with the Insert Date command and I thought I had it sorted but can't remember what I did. I have a shopping list document here and I want the date field to auto update every time the document is worked on. The Pages Help says to ctrl-click on the field and fill out the properties of the date field, that is tell Pages if you want the field to auto=update every time the document is opened, what format you want the field to be and so on. As I say, I managed to set the properties in the header, that updates itself fine and says Tuesday, 1 September 2009 however the date field in the body of the document is saying Sunday, 30 August 2009 and I can't seem to move the mouse to the date field using vo-command-f5, anyone got any additional ideas on this? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: time zone ozone
Thanks, I sure appreciate your help. - Original Message - From: Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: Re: time zone ozone Hi, Start typing your city or a large city in your time zone. It took me 3 hours before I figured that out and i did it by mistake. IE mine was set to Pacific time when I bought it and i typed in New York and sure enough my mini was set to eastern time. On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:26:52 -0500 Rich Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote: Hell friends: I cannot seem to set my time zone correctly on my Mac Mini. The Mac thinks I'm in the Eastern time zone, but I am in Central time. I see a pop up button for Eastern time, but I see no way to change it. I also see this world map, but I cannot see a way to select a city. I was able to get into a combo box that listed a lot of cities, 41 to be exact, but they were all in Eastern time. Help, please?? -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anti-virus on the Mac
Hello, I completely agree with you. That is where Protectmac Antivirus comes in, I hope. Dan On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:38 PM, James Nash wrote: Remember Dan that Apple's Malware warning tool only has two definitions thus far and will be updated through Sotware Update and if the past repeats itself, the Malware updates like some security updates will be a while in coming. - Original Message - From: Dann key...@comcast.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Anti-virus on the Mac Hello Dane and List, The other thing that really surprised me was this. A week or so before SL came out, the folks that make Protectmac told me that if anyone was running a 30 day trial, they would get a 30 day extension when SL came out. Even though I did a clean install before testing Protectmac, prior to that, the update took place and I did have 30 days added to my original install of Protectmac. While I still have mixed feelings about running something like Protectmac Antivirus, I am getting closer and closer to purchasing it. First of all, it really works. Secondly, the company is truly standing behind the product. Because Apple has included Malware warnings in OS 6, it makes since to have an application that does the rest, like removing it. Dan On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: The things that attract me to Protect Mac - apart from the issue of accessibility - is the fact that you can get a free 30 day trial without having to give away your chronilogical history to anyone and then on top of that, give 500 reasons why you dare to ask for a trial of the product in the first place smile, that's exactly what happened when I went to 3 sites for Mac Anti Virus products. Norton Anti virus is out of the question, for one thing they don't have a trial version and for another the product is way over priced in my view, $75.00 and I refuse to pay that for something I can't try. I believe other company's have Mac Anti virus products in beta, one such company is Trend Micro. Then comes the other question, are these products just anti virus scanners or are they anti virus scanners plus malware scanners and spyware detectors? Protect Mac does it all! On 01/09/2009, at 6:53 AM, James Nash wrote: Virus Barrier says the same but i don't know if it is accesible. I'm also going to look at it as well as IVirus. From what I've read so far i like ProtectMac too though. I'm going to have to look for some reviews. Take care James - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Anti-virus on the Mac Yep I forgot to mention that obvious fact in my previous message smile, Protect Mac is as a virus programme should be in my book, Seen and not heard smile. On 01/09/2009, at 6:04 AM, Chris G wrote: Hi, I also am using this program and I really llike it. It doesn't seem to slow the computer down. That's a plus in my book. On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 05:18:35 +1000 Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay, I'm using Protect Mac Anti Virus which is also an Anti Spyware- Anti Malware application, its extremely accessible and you only see it when it needs to scan something or give you a warning of some description, cases where you may see a Protect Mac window pop up are when you insert a DVD or plug in your Ipod for obvious reasons smile. http://www.protectmac.com How good is the software? Well quite frankly I just hope it does the job and I really don't want to find out how good it is smile but I'm sure if you use Google you'll find reviews of all sorts of Anti Virus packages for the Mac, this one is frequently updated and Protect Mac is quite cheap at $45.00, you can download a 30 day trial version. On 31/08/2009, at 11:07 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi, in order to getyour f11 and f12 to work, go in to keyboard preferences on the mac side, and choose the keyboard short cuts tab. Go down to the expose and dashboard area, and disable the features that use f11 and f12, that should allow these keys to work in fusion. On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:49 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: Hi. I have tried vmware fusion with windows xp as a virtual machine with jaws 9 and it works very well. I can use jaws in widnows and voice over together but voice over takes control over some keys so to get most commands out of jaws I focused on the virtual machine and when it is running and jaws working I hit command-f5 and turned v o off. Doing so let me run jaws with the laptop layout and caps lock works as the jaws key for example. The only thing I can't get to work is some function keys like f11 and f12 so I can't bring up jaws systray dialog with jawskey + f11 for example. I'm only using this virtual machine for a few programs that don't exest on mac, for example echolink for hamradio. So I think it works very well with vmware fusion and voice over. The only thing I didn't manage to get working is ubuntu under vmware. Oh, forgot to say when you need voice over simply press command-f5 again. Hope that helps. You are welcome off list to me if you want to ask anything else. I'm not a mac guru but I more then happy to share my knowledge as far as I can. Regards Tony 2009/8/31, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu: Hello Everyone, What a wealth of information I have learned from this list, today. I have found answers to questins I haven't even asked, yet. (Smile) Today, I decided to delete my Windows 7 Bootcamp partition. Windows 7 ran beautifully along with Jaws but there was a minor glitch in some of the audio that I was unable to resolve with regard to the MacBook Pro speakers. To be quite honest, I most likely could have resolved it but I found that the thought of booting into Windows on my Mac kind of irked me. I have enough Windows computers in my house without adding another one. So, I am back at square one with regard to Windows 7 and Mac. And thus, the following question: Which virtual machine software do you recommend I use for the best Jaws 10 and Windows 7 functionality? Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. All of my sighted Mac friends strongly recommend V M Ware but they have no idea about Jaws functionality, of course; so I turn to you. I know that this list is very high traffic so you only need write which one you recommend; there is no need to explain why you recommend one over the other unless you have time to do so. When in a virtual machine, can one continue to use VoiceOver? I'm a little confused on when one would use VO and when one must use Jaws in the virtual machine. By the way, I know that running Windows 7 in a virtual machine is a bit off-topic for this list so if those of you who are currently doing something similar wouldn't mind, I will be glad to communicate off-list. I understand that my questions may require some very detailed answers and that you may not have time to write it up; I mean, some of these answers can read like a novel and so, I will be happy to call anyone via telephone to talk about this matter. Which ever way is convenient for you to respond, just let me know, OK? My main goal this week is to setup all of my email accounts and begin using my Mac exclusively for all communication. Oh yes, I also plan on installing Skype and setting it up as well. One more thing, today I added a Macintosh category to the Candle Shore BLOG. Someday, I hope to be able to contribute to the Macintosh body of knowledge. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Hi, command up arrow should do the trick. On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:06 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I really need this function. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Try as I might, I also can't understand why Microsoft would have removed this. Makes me even more glad that my mac is the main computer now, I was able to install snow leopard completely without sighted help. On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:46 PM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Brent, I was a private beta tester for Windows 7 so I have the final version that will be released to the public next month. It installs perfectly. Yes, one still needs sighted assistance to install Windows 7. This is very heart breaking considering the fact that in the first beta release of 7, one had the option to get audio assistance. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Microsoft removed this feature. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Hello Everyone, Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but enough to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. 1. I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home page. 2. I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all now sharing the same media library. 3. I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and configured some network workgroups. 4. I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. 5. I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. I was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac is a beautiful thing. I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just wanted to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's a great experience. One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would be this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the saying goes, Never say Never. Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS VoiceOver gestures on the MacBook track pad. I have a question about Safari: Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get the Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: time zone ozone
The easiest way to do this is to check the box that will set the time zone based on your location. The mac will then set the time zone based on the registration info you entered. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Rich Ring wrote: Hell friends: I cannot seem to set my time zone correctly on my Mac Mini. The Mac thinks I'm in the Eastern time zone, but I am in Central time. I see a pop up button for Eastern time, but I see no way to change it. I also see this world map, but I cannot see a way to select a city. I was able to get into a combo box that listed a lot of cities, 41 to be exact, but they were all in Eastern time. Help, please?? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: an Itunes bookmarking question
Hi Mark, I heard of a program yesterday called JoinTogether that is supposed to easily join a lot of files into one track. I don't know the URL, but imagine it's findable through Google. YOu could then select the file in itunes, press Command-I, go to the Options tab and set the media kind as Audiobook. Then it will keep your place. Good luck, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi, I'm using JAWS just fine on my Mac via Fusion. In fact, I just installed the JAWS 11 beta, so I have two versions of JAWS on my system. I did install Window-Eyes before installing JAWS because I heard this might help with video issues. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
