Re: Returning my iPad

[Peter Durieux]

Hi Bryan,

Interesting to read an other view of the ipad usage.
I want to pickup one thing, that I've also experienced on the iphone.
Indeed, voice over didn't refresh the screen every time when it is refreshed 
visually.  I did notice this on several apps and the main iphone screens.
So I'm curious if someone else have the same experience and if this is already 
reported to accessibility?
If you want, I can describe some situations where this is happening.

Kind regards.

-Peter

Op 5-mei-2010, om 07:23 heeft Bryan Smart het volgende geschreven:

 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is 
 always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower 
 to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible 
 when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive 
 piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of 
 known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have 
 a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using 
 apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power 
 away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a 
 very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and 
 the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech 
 behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a 
 blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it 
 makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different 
 positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge 
 when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to 
 navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because 
 your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with 
 your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your 
 wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position 
 on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much 
 content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls by swiping, 
 you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to where you'd 
 like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but I've noticed 
 that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere 
 doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from that point. In many 
 places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I start swiping, 
 VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, in those 
 situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other skin while 
 swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, then you'll 
 lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. In the App 
 Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration.
 
 The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you 
 would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing 
 and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has 
 nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not a 
 great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only wasted 
 on blind users, but is also a drawback.
 
 The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the 
 touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze. 
 Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was required 
 to type on an iPad. I tried the two-handed typing approach in landscape mode, 
 but find that, no matter how well you place your hands, typing is very 
 mistake prone. For anyone that finds it hard to type for extended periods of 
 time on the iPhone, you can use the iPad keyboard dock with it when 

Re: Returning my iPad

[Ricardo Walker]

Very good review,

It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It was well 
thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even the people 
who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol.  I hope 
someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, and 
concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post instead 
of a emotion filled rant.  lol 
On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is 
 always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower 
 to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible 
 when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive 
 piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of 
 known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have 
 a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using 
 apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power 
 away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a 
 very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and 
 the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech 
 behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a 
 blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it 
 makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different 
 positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge 
 when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to 
 navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because 
 your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with 
 your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your 
 wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position 
 on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much 
 content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls by swiping, 
 you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to where you'd 
 like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but I've noticed 
 that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere 
 doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from that point. In many 
 places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I start swiping, 
 VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, in those 
 situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other skin while 
 swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, then you'll 
 lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. In the App 
 Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration.
 
 The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you 
 would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing 
 and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has 
 nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not a 
 great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only wasted 
 on blind users, but is also a drawback.
 
 The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the 
 touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze. 
 Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was required 
 to type on an iPad. I tried the two-handed typing approach in landscape mode, 
 but find that, no matter how well you place your hands, typing is very 
 mistake prone. For anyone that finds it hard to type for extended periods of 
 time on the iPhone, you can use the iPad keyboard dock with it when the next 
 iPhone OS comes out.
 
 VoiceOver is worse on the 

Re: Returning my iPad

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Just one question.

Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a logical 
solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here. lol

Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can write 
long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very efficient. Well, 
you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it might get tiresome 
after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support, though, so that is very 
exciting.

I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Sorry 
to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and the 
split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though, and I 
have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May when 
they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited.

First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right 
now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take up 
if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as my 
Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the superior 
speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could do that 
with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't want to carry 
those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean I can't become 
very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device.

Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few 
hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a pain, 
and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the Kindle where 
you still need a lamp to read, great.

Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small like 
my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't justify buying 
an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone will be unable to 
do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is 
 always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is slower 
 to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is terrible 
 when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an impressive 
 piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of 
 known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have 
 a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using 
 apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power 
 away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a 
 very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and 
 the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech 
 behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as a 
 blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, it 
 makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at different 
 positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad screen is huge 
 when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire arm in order to 
 navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of computing, because 
 your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold your arm up, with 
 your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen with part of your 
 wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to some random position 
 on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because there is so much 
 content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls by 

Re: Returning my iPad

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

What would the case solve though?

I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be
at least partly fixed on the ipad.

On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Just one question.

 Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a
 logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here.
 lol

 Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can
 write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very
 efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it
 might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support,
 though, so that is very exciting.

 I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
 Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and
 the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though,
 and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May
 when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited.

 First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right
 now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take
 up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as
 my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the
 superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could
 do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't
 want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean
 I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device.

 Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few
 hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a
 pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the
 Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great.

 Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small
 like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't
 justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone
 will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any.

 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter

 On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and
 so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.

 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.

 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend
 hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about
 draining the power away.

 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G,
 and the battery just keeps on going.

 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience,
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.

 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.

 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for
 watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an
 eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them
 just fine on an iPad or iPhone speaker.

 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually,
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the
 screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's 

Re: Returning my iPad

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If he 
has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot easier. At 
least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview than having it 
in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is often heard is that 
holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense too.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

 What would the case solve though?
 
 I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be
 at least partly fixed on the ipad.
 
 On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just one question.
 
 Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a
 logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here.
 lol
 
 Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can
 write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very
 efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, it
 might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support,
 though, so that is very exciting.
 
 I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
 Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and
 the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, though,
 and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of May
 when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited.
 
 First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But right
 now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take
 up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much as
 my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the
 superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I could
 do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't
 want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't mean
 I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device.
 
 Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few
 hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a
 pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the
 Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great.
 
 Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small
 like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't
 justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the iPhone
 will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and
 so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend
 hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about
 draining the power away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G,
 and the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience,
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for
 watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an
 eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them
 

RE: Teathering with an i pad with a wireless ipad and iphone 3G s

[Simon Fogarty]

Unless it was a 3g ipad then I can't see the point in teathering an Ipad.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman
Sent: Wednesday, 5 May 2010 12:02 a.m.
To: list voiceover
Subject: Re: Teathering with an i pad with a wireless ipad and iphone 3G s

I'm not sure about the UK.  I know in the US, Steve Jobs himself, stated
that you couldn't get iPhone tethering for your iPad.
Olivia
On May 4, 2010, at 3:10 AM, Scott Ballard-Ridley wrote:

 Hi all i am in the U.K where i phone teathering is allowed. I am
definately ordering an ipad on May 10th but i am now having doubts about
getting the 3G version based on reports from the U.S. My question therefore
is if i can get teathering on an iphone could i teather it to a normal
wireless ipad?
 
 Regards
 
 Scott
 
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macspeech

[william lomas]

HI,


I have got macspeech dictate international now and I have a few queries. 
Firstly how do I turn on the settings to generate the contacts in my email 
address book? i.e. send mail to joe blogs? I can't find the settings?
I also like the way the training works. It appears in 1.5.8, when you do 
training it moves on to the next sentence when it has recognised the current 
one. Now all we need is for it to correctly with VO enabled, echo our phrases 
rather than just the last word of 2 of a sentence.


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Re: Block of text

[William Windels]

Hello Edward,

I think the best way is to use the commands to go to the automatic webspots.
The keyboard command for this is: vo+command+n for the next and 
vo+command+shift+n for the previous automatic webspot.

You can also reach this with the webrotor: vo+command+u.

If you do this, sometimes you need to do vo+right arrow to reach the real text.

Unfortunately: this works not always.
e.g.: if text appears in tables, You can't find the text with this command.
There is no solution for that at this moment and , in this situation , you need 
to look on the whole page with vo+right/left arrow.

This is the explanation for the doom mode.
If you use the group mode, it's more easy to find textblocks but you can't use 
the hockey like described above.

hope this helps.
best regards,
William 
Op 5-mei-2010, om 02:08 heeft Sarah Alawami het volgende geschreven:

 Oh that I don't know. I use the wet spots to kind of aid me in doing that.
 
 Take care.
 On May 4, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Edward wrote:
 
 Hello 
 
 Let's say that you wanted to read text on a site.  How do you get to the
 text without having to go across every other control like links edit boxes,
 and so on  .How would you navigate directly to the text body of a webpage?
 
 Thanks
 Edward
 
 
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Block of text
 
 Sorry what do uou mean by a block of text? if you mean the wet spots it is
 vo command  n and vo command shift n.
 
 Take care.
 
 On May 4, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Edward wrote:
 
 
  Hello all, 
 
  I have been playing around with vo on the mac at college.  I wanted
 to know how do you go to a block of text on the net with vo?  Is there a
 way, and if not, can you assign that particular command within vo?
 
  Thanks 
  Edward 
 
 
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Re: Returning my iPad

[Donna Goodin]

I second all this.  I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated 
reading your review, Brian.  Very nicely done.
Best,
Donna
On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It was 
 well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even the 
 people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol.  I 
 hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, 
 and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post 
 instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol 
 On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is 
 always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of 
 known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have 
 a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using 
 apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power 
 away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a 
 very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and 
 the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech 
 behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as 
 a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen 
 with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to 
 some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because 
 there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls 
 by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to 
 where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but 
 I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), 
 tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from 
 that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I 
 start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, 
 in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other 
 skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, 
 then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. 
 In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration.
 
 The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you 
 would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing 
 and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has 
 nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not 
 a great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only 
 wasted on blind users, but is also a drawback.
 
 The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the 
 touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze. 
 Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was 
 required to type on an iPad. I tried the two-handed typing approach in 
 landscape mode, but find that, no matter how well you place your hands, 
 typing is very mistake prone. 

Re: Returning my iPad

[Kaare Dehard]

I like Brian's take on this, now we can look for ourselves and see how much we 
can work around these real concerns presented fairly.
On 2010-05-05, at 5:52 AM, olivia norman wrote:

 It's always interesting to get another prospective.  I do have a case for my 
 iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps.  Personally, I love the 
 device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually 
 found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read.  
 I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around 
 most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this 
 gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly.  I also find that 
 applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful 
 additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity 
 you just don't find on the iPhone.  
 In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which 
 perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely 
 different things in my life.  
 There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life.  I can't for instance, 
 watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time with out 
 experiencing significant battery drain.  On my iPad, I am able to watch 
 videos for hours, no problem.  
 The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and 
 sighted users.  It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means that 
 you don't have to hold it or risk it falling.  You can purchase it from apple 
 for about $39.99.
 I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience 
 just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user.  
 Thank you for posting this to the list!  Have a great day! :)
 Olivia
 On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If 
 he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot 
 easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview 
 than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is 
 often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense 
 too.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 What would the case solve though?
 
 I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be
 at least partly fixed on the ipad.
 
 On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just one question.
 
 Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a
 logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it here.
 lol
 
 Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can
 write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very
 efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, 
 it
 might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support,
 though, so that is very exciting.
 
 I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
 Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, and
 the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, 
 though,
 and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of 
 May
 when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited.
 
 First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But 
 right
 now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take
 up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much 
 as
 my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the
 superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I 
 could
 do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't
 want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't 
 mean
 I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device.
 
 Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few
 hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a
 pain, and that is really only because it is bright. IF it was like the
 Kindle where you still need a lamp to read, great.
 
 Third, I just don't think the iPad is right for me. I want something small
 like my iPhone that can do all these things already, and I just can't
 justify buying an iPad right now. Yeah, there are probably things the 
 iPhone
 will be unable to do, but that hasn't hampered my productivity any.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
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 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 

Re: Returning my iPad

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I don't think anyone is intentionally attempting to directly advise people on 
what to do, but rather giving them advice to make their own choice. No product 
is for anyone. IF you have lived your life using Macs, you probably wouldn't 
want to switch to Windows unless you suddenly are not feeling comfortable with 
the Macintosh operating system. And that's always going to be an extremely 
important factor.

Conclusion:

Don't be like me and buy it just because you know a friend bought it. 
Especially don't follow through with that course if you haven't even tried it 
yet. But if your friend hands you a product, you play with it for a while, 
consider it from all angles and think Holy smokes this rocks, then go 
shopping. Of course, that doesn't mean you won't regret it later. You might if 
you suddenly think of something that never entered your head before.

Yeah yeah, rant over.

Regards,
Nic
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Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On May 5, 2010, at 4:40 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

 The truth is, the iPhone isn't for everyone, the mac isn't for everyone and 
 the iPad is no exception to that rule. I have to say, I still am going to 
 purchase the iPad when it comes to the UK. I think everyone should think 
 about what everyone has said in regards to any products but ultimately make 
 their own decisions.
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 13:42, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 I second all this.  I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated 
 reading your review, Brian.  Very nicely done.
 Best,
 Donna
 On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It was 
 well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even the 
 people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol.  I 
 hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, 
 and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post 
 instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol 
 On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that 
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and 
 so expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position 
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would 
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend 
 hours using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about 
 draining the power away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for 
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, 
 and the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the 
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, 
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for 
 watching video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an 
 eye strain. Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them 
 just fine on an iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the 
 screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to 
 jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly 
 frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you 
 navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and 
 swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of 

Re: VO's stuck on speech off

[Hai Nguyen]

Good morning, 
It's likely that the speech has been accidentally muted. To unmute speech, do 
the following:

1. Make sure the trackpad commander is on by holding down the control and 
option keys and rotating 2 fingers on the trackpad to the right. The action is 
similar to turning a radio dial to the right.
2. double tap the trackpad with three fingers to unmute speech and voiceover 
should say VoiceOver unmuted.
Hope this helps.
Regards:
Hai 

On May 4, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Hypnotic Consulting wrote:

 Hey folks, My wifes broken something and now VO won't really talk. Here's 
 what's happening. I turn VO on, and he then starts and says speech off. I've 
 restarted and he's still doing the same thing.
 My wife said all she did was install office. Any ideas?
 Jorge
 
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java version

[May McDonald]

Hey there. How can I find out what version of java I have?

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Re: java version

[Esther]

Hi May,

Try going to the web page:
http://www.javatester.org/version.html
Bring up item chooser menu and type Ask to navigate to the heading  
Method 1: Ask Java.  Then VO-Right arrow to read The version and  
vendor from the JRE followed by the reported version information.   
(There are ways to check this by querying Safari's installed plug-ins,  
but this is easier and the page goes on to give information and links  
to the latest Java versions for the Mac.)


HTH

Cheers,

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Re: Returning my iPad

[Kimberly thurman]

Once again, nice job Bryan.  I've been mulling over the decision of whether to 
get an I pad.  Your post has convinced me to wait and see how the update of the 
OS this summer for the Iphone and Ipod Touch effects their usage.  I am 
interested in the Ibooks application, for instance, but that will be available 
on the Ipod Touch with the new OS.  

This is the second time you have affected  my decision to do or not do 
something.  I own a Victor Reader Stream and a Book Sense, so I thought I 
didn't need the NLS's new digital player.  I listened to your podcast on Blind 
Cool Tech and decided to get the NLS player.  I'm glad I did, if for no other 
reason than I can listen to books while moving throughout the room without 
having to have a device in my pocket or headset attached to my head.  

Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and insight 
with us concerning technology.  I'm sorry you have to eat the 10% restocking 
fee though.  That's a bummer.  
On May 5, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

 I second all this.  I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated 
 reading your review, Brian.  Very nicely done.
 Best,
 Donna
 On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It was 
 well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even the 
 people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol.  I 
 hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, 
 and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post 
 instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol 
 On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that 
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position 
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would 
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours 
 using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the 
 power away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for 
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, 
 and the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the 
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, 
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the 
 screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to 
 jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly 
 frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you 
 navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and 
 swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly 
 explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like 
 the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that 
 swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point 
 on the screen, but, when I start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from 
 the top of the screen. So, in those situations, if you accidentally touch 
 the screen with some other skin while 

Mack Mini and Monitor?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any portable 
monitors like USB monitors or something. I take my Mack mini to work a lot. I'm 
not using any monitor now, Safari seems busy a lot, but is still very 
functional.
Thanks,
Courtney

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Re: Mack Mini and Monitor?

[Ben Mustill-Rose]

Not portable in the sense that you could carry it to work.
How many times do we have to say to people that a mini is not portable?

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 Hi,
 Since a new Mack mini apparently must have a monitor, are there any portable
 monitors like USB monitors or something. I take my Mack mini to work a lot.
 I'm not using any monitor now, Safari seems busy a lot, but is still very
 functional.
 Thanks,
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Re: Returning my iPad

[Sarah Alawami]

I don't think I'll buy one as I have a lapotp and hopefully will be getting an 
iphone so I hope for now all of my needs are solved.

Take care.

S

Good luck.
On May 5, 2010, at 2:56 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 The iWork suite is probably what will cause me to buy it in the end. I have 
 heard blind and sighted perspectives alike on the iPad, and some simply 
 present an issue I have never even considered. Nevertheless, all opinions are 
 of course valuable, and they are definitely helping me decide whether or not 
 I am going to buy one.
 
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 On May 5, 2010, at 11:52 AM, olivia norman wrote:
 
 It's always interesting to get another prospective.  I do have a case for my 
 iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps.  Personally, I love 
 the device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I 
 actually found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read.  
 I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around 
 most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this 
 gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly.  I also find that 
 applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful 
 additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity 
 you just don't find on the iPhone.  
 In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which 
 perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely 
 different things in my life.  
 There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life.  I can't for 
 instance, watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time 
 with out experiencing significant battery drain.  On my iPad, I am able to 
 watch videos for hours, no problem.  
 The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and 
 sighted users.  It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means 
 that you don't have to hold it or risk it falling.  You can purchase it from 
 apple for about $39.99.
 I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience 
 just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user.  
 Thank you for posting this to the list!  Have a great day! :)
 Olivia
 On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If 
 he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot 
 easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview 
 than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is 
 often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense 
 too.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 What would the case solve though?
 
 I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be
 at least partly fixed on the ipad.
 
 On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just one question.
 
 Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a
 logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it 
 here.
 lol
 
 Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can
 write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very
 efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but really, 
 it
 might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard support,
 though, so that is very exciting.
 
 I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
 Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, 
 and
 the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, 
 though,
 and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of 
 May
 when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited.
 
 First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But 
 right
 now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would take
 up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as much 
 as
 my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the
 superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I 
 could
 do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't
 want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't 
 mean
 I can't become very efficient with the on-screen keyboard on the device.
 
 Secondly, yes, the glare from the iPad's LCD is hard on the eyes for a few
 hours. Having to read on the iPad or iPhone for long periods of time is a
 pain, and 

Re: VO's stuck on speech off

[Sarah Alawami]

I never new about this juster. I'm to scared to try it should I ever need to 
mute speech but thanks for it anyways.

Take care.

S
On May 5, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Hai Nguyen wrote:

 Good morning, 
 It's likely that the speech has been accidentally muted. To unmute speech, do 
 the following:
 
 1. Make sure the trackpad commander is on by holding down the control and 
 option keys and rotating 2 fingers on the trackpad to the right. The action 
 is similar to turning a radio dial to the right.
 2. double tap the trackpad with three fingers to unmute speech and voiceover 
 should say VoiceOver unmuted.
 Hope this helps.
 Regards:
 Hai 
 
 On May 4, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Hypnotic Consulting wrote:
 
 Hey folks, My wifes broken something and now VO won't really talk. Here's 
 what's happening. I turn VO on, and he then starts and says speech off. I've 
 restarted and he's still doing the same thing.
 My wife said all she did was install office. Any ideas?
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Re: safari question

[marie Howarth]

You need to clear the cash. either command-option-E or go to Safaris menu and 
also you need to clear cookies. hit CMD-comma and go to security and delete 
cookies.
HTH

On 5 May 2010, at 18:38, May McDonald wrote:

 Ok, here's another question. How do I get safari to clear all the user names 
 and passwords that I have stored in it. There's a site that I have access to 
 that logs me in automatically and I don't want it to do that any longer. 
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Re: safari question

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Ah ok, it was the first part that I wasn't doing. Thanks very much.
On 2010-05-05, at 11:54 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 You need to clear the cash. either command-option-E or go to Safaris menu and 
 also you need to clear cookies. hit CMD-comma and go to security and delete 
 cookies.
 HTH
 
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Re: Returning my iPad

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yes, you can do Netflix with the iPad on 3G. Someone is going to see if he can 
use up 100GB on 3G on his unlimited dataplan for the iPad within a few weeks.

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On May 5, 2010, at 9:07 PM, joe quinn wrote:

 u can stream netflix over 3g on the ipad? With what? And, would it
 work with the touch, or iphone? If so, 1 more reason for me to get
 one!
 
 On 5/5/10, Bryan Smart bryansm...@bryansmart.com wrote:
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is
 always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of
 known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have
 a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using
 apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power
 away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a
 very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and
 the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech
 behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as
 a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain.
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually,
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen
 with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to
 some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because
 there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls
 by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to
 where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but
 I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari),
 tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from
 that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I
 start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So,
 in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other
 skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap,
 then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen.
 In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration.
 
 The size of the screen is also not convenient for holding the iPad like you
 would the iPhone. It must rest on your lap or a table. And, with me pushing
 and tapping on it with both hands, I've had some situations where it has
 nearly slid off of my lap. With the screen being made of glass, that is not
 a great thought to ponder. So, I think that the screen size is not only
 wasted on blind users, but is also a drawback.
 
 The on-screen keyboard is a bit nicer to use on a large screen. However, the
 touch-typing mode makes even one-handed typing on a small screen a breeze.
 Besides that, the larger screen meant that a lot more arm motion was
 required to type on an iPad. I tried the two-handed typing approach in
 landscape mode, but find that, no matter how well you place your hands,
 typing is very mistake prone. For anyone that finds it hard to type for
 extended periods of time on the iPhone, you can use the iPad keyboard dock
 with it when the next iPhone OS comes out.
 
 

RE: Returning my iPad

[Bryan Smart]

Absolutely. I'm not trying to discourage people from having a look and judging 
for themselves.

I think that an iPad would make more sense for me if I wasn't going to use an 
iPhone. If you like Symbian or Windows Mobile for a phone, then the iPad would 
give you a good way to get in on the iPhone apps and other benefits. A Touch 
really wouldn't do that, since it doesn't have 3G data or GPS.

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:41 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Returning my iPad

The truth is, the iPhone isn't for everyone, the mac isn't for everyone and the 
iPad is no exception to that rule. I have to say, I still am going to purchase 
the iPad when it comes to the UK. I think everyone should think about what 
everyone has said in regards to any products but ultimately make their own 
decisions.

On 5 May 2010, at 13:42, Donna Goodin wrote:

 I second all this.  I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated 
 reading your review, Brian.  Very nicely done.
 Best,
 Donna
 On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It 
 was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even 
 the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol. 
  I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, 
 respectful, and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from 
 such a post instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 
 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that 
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position 
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would 
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours 
 using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the 
 power away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for 
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, 
 and the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the 
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, 
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the 
 screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to 
 jump to some random position on the screen. This is particularly 
 frustrating because there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you 
 navigate through controls by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and 
 swiping and swiping to get to where you'd like. Of course, you can directly 
 explore with your finger, but I've noticed that, in several places (like 
 the App Store and Safari), tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that 
 swiping will continue from that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point 
 on the screen, but, when I start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from 
 the top of the screen. So, in those situations, if you accidentally touch 
 the screen with some other skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver 

Re: Freetalk headset

[william lomas]

the volumes ones don't either?

On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
  hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype 
 on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
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RE: Returning my iPad

[Bryan Smart]

You are very right that, for a low vision user, the iPad would be superior 
because of the larger screen.

I left out the Touch because it lacks 3G data and GPS. Without those, many of 
the possibilities of apps are cut out.

The technology is impressive. The question is, in what form factor would it 
best serve you?

Bryan

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Pete Nalda
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 1:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Returning my iPad

I think his review is nice enough from a VoiceOver only perspective, but there 
are people out there I think that are visually impaired who want the device 
because of it's larger size for Zooming.  The only fault I've found in this 
area is working with the keyboard.  He also left out the option of the ipod 
touch.  It was either iphone or iPad for him.

On May 5, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It 
 was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even 
 the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol.  
 I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, respectful, 
 and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from such a post 
 instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 AM, Bryan 
 Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that is 
 always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position of 
 known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would have 
 a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours using 
 apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the power 
 away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for a 
 very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, and 
 the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the tech 
 behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, though, as 
 a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the screen 
 with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to jump to 
 some random position on the screen. This is particularly frustrating because 
 there is so much content on an iPad screen. If you navigate through controls 
 by swiping, you'll be swiping and swiping and swiping and swiping to get to 
 where you'd like. Of course, you can directly explore with your finger, but 
 I've noticed that, in several places (like the App Store and Safari), 
 tapping somewhere doesn't necessarily mean that swiping will continue from 
 that point. In many places, I'll tap at a point on the screen, but, when I 
 start swiping, VoiceOver will always start from the top of the screen. So, 
 in those situations, if you accidentally touch the screen with some other 
 skin while swiping, or if VoiceOver mistakenly interprets a swipe as a tap, 
 then you'll lose your place, and need to start from the top of the screen. 
 In the App Store in particular, I've swiped myself to frustration.
 
 The size of the screen is also not convenient for 

Re: Freetalk headset

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

yeah, they are fine.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote:

 the volumes ones don't either?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within 
 skype on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
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Re: Freetalk headset

[william lomas]

ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call?

On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 yeah, they are fine.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
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 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 the volumes ones don't either?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within 
 skype on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
 william lomas
 follow me on twitter:
 billbow_baggins
 
 
 
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RE: Returning my iPad

[Bryan Smart]

Glad to know that my posts help you out, Kim. I know that everyone has 
different needs, both in terms of their particular disability and what 
activities are part of their lives. No device is perfect, and every way of 
working involves tradeoffs. I know that, until many people get their hands on a 
device, they might not even know some of the tradeoffs that are involved. If 
you can accept them, that's fine, but people should at least know what they're 
in for.

Bryan

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Returning my iPad

Once again, nice job Bryan.  I've been mulling over the decision of whether to 
get an I pad.  Your post has convinced me to wait and see how the update of the 
OS this summer for the Iphone and Ipod Touch effects their usage.  I am 
interested in the Ibooks application, for instance, but that will be available 
on the Ipod Touch with the new OS.  

This is the second time you have affected  my decision to do or not do 
something.  I own a Victor Reader Stream and a Book Sense, so I thought I 
didn't need the NLS's new digital player.  I listened to your podcast on Blind 
Cool Tech and decided to get the NLS player.  I'm glad I did, if for no other 
reason than I can listen to books while moving throughout the room without 
having to have a device in my pocket or headset attached to my head.  

Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and insight 
with us concerning technology.  I'm sorry you have to eat the 10% restocking 
fee though.  That's a bummer.  
On May 5, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

 I second all this.  I hadn't planned on purchasing an iPad, but appreciated 
 reading your review, Brian.  Very nicely done.
 Best,
 Donna
 On May 5, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It 
 was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even 
 the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol. 
  I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, 
 respectful, and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from 
 such a post instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 
 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that 
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position 
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would 
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours 
 using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the 
 power away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for 
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, 
 and the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the 
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, 
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the 
 screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus 

Re: Freetalk headset

[william lomas]

which buttons work then mate, and which don't on the headset, I am in the 
process of purchasing one, smile
thanks, will

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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 the volumes ones don't either?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
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hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within 
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Re: Freetalk headset

[william lomas]

does your model have a metal headband, and fury earpads. to mute your mike do 
you put it up vertically and it clicks? i so this is the one i am getting. 
As long as the older freetalk model works in snowleopard we fine

On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything else 
 works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong with 
 the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of the 
 Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with your 
 volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that 
 particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances.
 
 I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I 
 never found it for this particular model.
 
 Regards,
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 yeah, they are fine.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 the volumes ones don't either?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
  hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within 
 skype on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
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Re: Freetalk headset

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

You'll probably be getting the newer model. I don't think they ship the old 
ones.

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On May 5, 2010, at 10:03 PM, william lomas wrote:

 so the older model i getting will be okw tih snowleopard?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything 
 else works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong 
 with the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of 
 the Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with 
 your volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that 
 particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances.
 
 I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I 
 never found it for this particular model.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 yeah, they are fine.
 
 Regards,
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 the volumes ones don't either?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within 
 skype on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
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Re: Freetalk headset

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yeah, that version is fine. The newer one doesn't mute either when moving it 
upwards, but the old one does. I have one of both.

I didn't get a choice between them, so I'd be curious to know how you got a 
hold of that privately.

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On May 5, 2010, at 10:04 PM, william lomas wrote:

 does your model have a metal headband, and fury earpads. to mute your mike do 
 you put it up vertically and it clicks? i so this is the one i am getting. 
 As long as the older freetalk model works in snowleopard we fine
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Yes. The only buttons that don't work are answer and hang up. Everything 
 else works fine. But you're limited to the volume buttons. Nothing is wrong 
 with the quality either. However, if you are buying the newer generation of 
 the Skype Freetalk Headset, you might want to watch out for an issue with 
 your volume level for the microphone. Also, the latest generation of that 
 particular headset seems to have pairing issues in some instances.
 
 I don't believe there is an updated driver for Snow Leopard. At least, I 
 never found it for this particular model.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:49 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ah o which ones don't work then just the answer and end call?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 yeah, they are fine.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 the volumes ones don't either?
 
 On 5 May 2010, at 20:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The headset itself works well, but the buttons do not work unfortunately.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
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 On May 5, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within 
 skype on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
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Re: Returning my iPad

[Pete Nalda]

I'm still not sure If I'd get one, but I'm leaning towards it as I'm of the 
low-vision caliber myself. I'd love it for instant large print reading of pdf 
documents, books, and web pages.  You just get so much more information with 
that bigger screen.  No, it's not a laptop replacement, but, It would allow me 
to leave my precious MBP at home, with its' delicate HD and cd/dvd-rw drive, 
that can easily break in transit. I don't know If It would allow me to leave my 
ipod at home, as I couldn't find a way to lock all controls, and still have 
music playing while the IPad hangs in a bag.  I do know the $79 apple 
headphones will let you stop, play, and skip to the next song in a playlist, 
but navigation I'm not sure about.  So many questions and so little precious 
time in the Apple store makes it hard to check out everything.

On May 5, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 You are very right that, for a low vision user, the iPad would be superior 
 because of the larger screen.
 
 I left out the Touch because it lacks 3G data and GPS. Without those, many of 
 the possibilities of apps are cut out.
 
 The technology is impressive. The question is, in what form factor would it 
 best serve you?
 
 Bryan
 
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 I think his review is nice enough from a VoiceOver only perspective, but 
 there are people out there I think that are visually impaired who want the 
 device because of it's larger size for Zooming.  The only fault I've found in 
 this area is working with the keyboard.  He also left out the option of the 
 ipod touch.  It was either iphone or iPad for him.
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Very good review,
 
 It is nice to read some of the drawbacks of a VO user on an iPad.  It 
 was well thought out and every displeasure was expanded upon.  I hope even 
 the people who disagree with the review don't go postal on us.  Pleas.  lol. 
  I hope someone can put together their disagreements in a logical, 
 respectful, and concise manor.  I think the list would benefit greatly from 
 such a post instead of a emotion filled rant.  lol On May 5, 2010, at 1:23 
 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 OK. So, I've had my iPad Wi-Fi+3G for less than a week, and I've already 
 decided not to keep it. There is so much of a euphoric glow on some of the 
 lists about the wonderfulness of this device. I'm the type of person that 
 is always eager to investigate new technologies and ways of working, and so 
 expected that I'd agree with the generally positive reception. I don't.
 
 I have experience with the iPhone, and, other than the fact that it is 
 slower to operate than a device with buttons, and that the battery life is 
 terrible when compared to most mobile phones, I thought that it was an 
 impressive piece of tech with an advanced approach to user interaction.
 
 I was excited about the iPad, and expected it to bring everything from an 
 iPhone, only improved. First, the iPad would have a larger screen, so it 
 should be possible to more easily move my finger directly to the position 
 of known controls in order to speed up the operation. Also, the iPad would 
 have a significantly larger battery than the iPhone, so I could spend hours 
 using apps, even wireless apps, without having to worry about draining the 
 power away.
 
 The only universally great thing that I can say about the iPad is that the 
 battery is spectacular. With the screen brightness set to low, it runs for 
 a very long time. I've spent hours streaming movies via Netflix over 3G, 
 and the battery just keeps on going.
 
 Unfortunately, that's where it all ends. It isn't that I think that the 
 tech behind the iPad is necessarily bad. If you want this experience, 
 though, as a blind person, you're better off with an iPhone.
 
 Why? Well, let's compare the iPad to the iPhone 3GS.
 
 The iPad has a larger screen. If you're sighted, this is great for watching 
 video. Watching movies on a tiny phone screen has got to be an eye strain. 
 Blind people don't watch movies, and we can listen to them just fine on an 
 iPad or iPhone speaker.
 
 I thought that the larger screen would help with VoiceOver, but, actually, 
 it makes things worse. When you work an iPhone, placing your finger at 
 different positions on the screen only requires wrist movement. The iPad 
 screen is huge when compared to the iPhone, and you must move your entire 
 arm in order to navigate the screen. This can become tiring after hours of 
 computing, because your arm can rarely rest on anything. If you don't hold 
 your arm up, with your fingers angled down, you're likely to bump the 
 screen with part of your wrist or forearm, causing VoiceOver's focus to 
 jump to some random position on the screen. This is 

mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them

[Sarah Alawami]

I sent this to apple as well but here ya go.

mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility 
http://twaud.io/Vn3

Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well.

Take care.

S

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bookshare on the mac

[annelie robledo]

Hi

I just got my subscription for bookshare but I am having trouble. Can someone 
tell me what they are using to download and unzip files from bookshare on the 
Mac? Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Returning my iPad

[Kaare Dehard]

for me a mbp and a touch is good enough, if something packs it in I'll consider 
it, but for now I'm technology happy with what I have.
On 2010-05-05, at 2:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I don't think I'll buy one as I have a lapotp and hopefully will be getting 
 an iphone so I hope for now all of my needs are solved.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 
 Good luck.
 On May 5, 2010, at 2:56 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The iWork suite is probably what will cause me to buy it in the end. I have 
 heard blind and sighted perspectives alike on the iPad, and some simply 
 present an issue I have never even considered. Nevertheless, all opinions 
 are of course valuable, and they are definitely helping me decide whether or 
 not I am going to buy one.
 
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 On May 5, 2010, at 11:52 AM, olivia norman wrote:
 
 It's always interesting to get another prospective.  I do have a case for 
 my iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps.  Personally, I 
 love the device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I 
 actually found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read.  
 I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around 
 most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this 
 gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly.  I also find that 
 applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful 
 additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity 
 you just don't find on the iPhone.  
 In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which 
 perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely 
 different things in my life.  
 There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life.  I can't for 
 instance, watch a movie or stream a youtube video for any length of time 
 with out experiencing significant battery drain.  On my iPad, I am able to 
 watch videos for hours, no problem.  
 The case is a great, and IMO, needed, extra with the iPad for both blid and 
 sighted users.  It allows for more comfortable use of the iPad and means 
 that you don't have to hold it or risk it falling.  You can purchase it 
 from apple for about $39.99.
 I am sorry to hear the iPad didn't work for you, Brian, and your experience 
 just shows that not every piece of technology works well for every user.  
 Thank you for posting this to the list!  Have a great day! :)
 Olivia
 On May 5, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 He was saying it was uncomfortable to move around on the larger screen. If 
 he has the case and puts it on a table, I'd imagine this would be a lot 
 easier. At least, it sure would for me and would give me a better overview 
 than having it in my lap, for example. Or, the frequent complaint that is 
 often heard is that holding it up is also uncomfortable, which makes sense 
 too.
 
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 On May 5, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
 What would the case solve though?
 
 I also have the vo freezing problem on my touch; I expected it to be
 at least partly fixed on the ipad.
 
 On 05/05/2010, Nicolai Svendsen chojiro1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Just one question.
 
 Why not get the iPad case and put it in there? That just seems like a
 logical solution to your dilemma. If you haven't sold it yet, give it 
 here.
 lol
 
 Really, I've always thought the iPhone was mainly for a consumer. You can
 write long documents on it, but it is far from comfortable and very
 efficient. Well, you can write really quickly on that device, but 
 really, it
 might get tiresome after a while. We will have Bluetooth keyboard 
 support,
 though, so that is very exciting.
 
 I imagine the screen to be exactly the opposite of what you are saying.
 Sorry to disagree. I think the larger screen would aid me a great deal, 
 and
 the split-screen is just a nifty feature to me. I won't get an iPad, 
 though,
 and I have a lot of reasons for that. I'll try out an iPad at the end of 
 May
 when they ship internationally, but I'm not going to be that excited.
 
 First, what can the iPad do that my iPhone cannot? iWork? Perhaps. But 
 right
 now, I don't see myself using an iPad. Technically, the space I would 
 take
 up if I hook up a bluetooth keyboard to the iPad is probably just as 
 much as
 my Macbook, if a little bit less. The Macbook is faster, and I need the
 superior speed. I need to be able to type blazingly fast, and though I 
 could
 do that with the iPad keyboard dock or bluetooth keyboards, I still don't
 want to carry those accessories around with me. Of course, that doesn't 
 mean
 I can't become very efficient with the 

Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

*smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. I 
managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary 
signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me.

There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, but 
I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending this off 
right now.

Regards,
Nic
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On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I sent this to apple as well but here ya go.
 
 mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility 
 http://twaud.io/Vn3
 
 Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well.
 
 Take care.
 
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Re: Returning my iPad

[Kimberly thurman]

Being a newcomer to the Apple family,  having just gotten a MBP back in 
December and an IPod Touch a few months before that, I was really giving a long 
look at the IPad.  Of course, I have a Windows Mobile phone (an HTC Touch Pro) 
I bought just before the IPhone became accessible.  I was a little  bummed when 
I realized I could have bought a phone with built-in accessability for nearly 
the same price I paid for Mobile Speak Pocket by itself.  I have another year 
on my contract with Sprint and then I will give the IPhone another look.  Of 
course, I really just wish Sprint would get the IPhone so I wouldn't have to 
switch carriers.  I have a really good plan with a really good rate that I 
don't think I'll be able to duplicate withATT..

I really appreciate everyone's input here, whether they be pros or cons. 

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Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Fast reply or what? A minute later, it's been passed on.

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On May 6, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. 
 I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary 
 signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me.
 
 There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, but 
 I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending this 
 off right now.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I sent this to apple as well but here ya go.
 
 mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility 
 http://twaud.io/Vn3
 
 Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 
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Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them

[Sarah Alawami]

Ype I got a responce. they understood what I was trying to do. hopefully you 
can follow up hwat I said in my explainination.

Take care.
On May 5, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. 
 I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary 
 signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me.
 
 There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, but 
 I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending this 
 off right now.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I sent this to apple as well but here ya go.
 
 mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility 
 http://twaud.io/Vn3
 
 Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 
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Re: mail crashes when editing sigs and creating them

[Sarah Alawami]

Yeah really. I reported my own computer specks to them.

Take care.

S
On May 5, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Fast reply or what? A minute later, it's been passed on.
 
 Regards,
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 On May 6, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 *smiles* Yes. This was the bug I meant to report months ago when I found it. 
 I managed to create my signature successfully, but when it came to secondary 
 signatures, it wasn't working out with editing or creating for me.
 
 There is a workaround, though, to make it work. It is pretty complicated, 
 but I'm sure someone can explain the steps better than I can. I'm sending 
 this off right now.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On May 5, 2010, at 11:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 I sent this to apple as well but here ya go.
 
 mail crashes on sig creation or editing. also for apple accessibility 
 http://twaud.io/Vn3
 
 Hopefully non twitter people can play this as well.
 
 Take care.
 
 S
 
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Re: Freetalk headset

[Justin Thornton]

I have used one
and as for ansewring and hanging up no we can not
but th microphone mute (the same button) works just fine

On May 5, 2010, at 3:20 PM, william lomas wrote:

   hi all, has anyone used a freetalk skype headset, with a mac?
 Can we use the button on the headset to answer and hangup calls within skype 
 on a mac or not?
 Thanks, WIll
 
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RE: Returning my iPad

[Bryan Smart]

Yes, that sounds good, and I thought as you. However, it doesn't work that way 
in practice.

You can pick something from a side bar, and then tap over to the right in order 
to find the article or what-ever. However, when you start swiping, or if you 
two-finger swipe down to read from that point on, VO is just as likely to start 
reading from the top of the page. So, touching is only good for exploring, not 
for actually picking a place from where to start reading. Sometimes it works, 
but mostly it doesn't.

On the iPhone, you have many screens where controls appear at consistent 
positions. On the iPad, with the extra screen area, most apps are just filling 
that extra space up with a browser, where touching doesn't really move your 
focus to that point like it should, and where you also must often scroll the 
content area to find what you want.

So, you're thinking of the iPad like it will be a big iPhone, with lots of 
additional screen area for more controls. When, actually, many app developers 
have just turned it in to a web terminal with a bit of extra bits and pieces to 
frame the browser view. Browsing with Safari has never been quite as fast for 
me as the virtual buffer approaches available through the Windows screen 
readers. Browsing with Safari, while controlling it with touch, is even slower. 
I can do it, but it isn't the quickest approach out there. The iPad turns every 
freaking thing in to a web site type experience. I hate that.

I don't mean to say that every app is like that. The iWork apps aren't, and 
neither is iBooks. However, I'd say that over half of the apps that I 
downloaded that were designed just for the iPad were written by devs that 
thought that making an iPad version meant that they could just make their app a 
web application with a local frame of buttons.

Bryan

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Returning my iPad

Hi,

Still, regardless, I can imagine that it'd be easier to explore the screen. if 
you frequently visit a particular webpage, you might have the table containing 
news categories on the left-hand side, and when tapping it, contents might 
appear in the center or to the right making navigation very swift.

I've always loved the exploration part of a touchscreen, and I never swipe 
anymore. This is why it'd probably be a huge benefit for me to get one because 
of the size. Exploring, particularly with the iPhone on websites is not the 
same.

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On May 5, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 Olivia, I like the concept of the four finger swipe for navigating between 
 sections, but it seems that only a few apps support this. It works on the 
 home screen. It works in the iWork apps. It works in Safari. However, lots of 
 iPad apps build their interfaces out of just large web browser views. In 
 these views, there is no concept of sections. You just have a huge scrolling 
 page with lots of links. Sometimes, they'll use headings, and I can use the 
 rotor and up/down swipe to navigate between sections. Quite often, though, 
 they don't, and, together with the problem of swiping not continuing from 
 where I last touched, there is a massive amount of swiping required to get 
 around the screen. Lots of swiping isn't a problem on the iPhone and Touch, 
 as those are smaller screens that hold less data at once, so there isn't much 
 on any single screen to swipe through. The iPad screens are very full, though.

 Bryan

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of olivia norman
 Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:53 AM
 To: list voiceover
 Subject: Re: Returning my iPad

 It's always interesting to get another prospective.  I do have a case for my 
 iPad, so don't have to hold it up at all which helps.  Personally, I love the 
 device, but as with anything, people have differing opinions and I actually 
 found Brian's experiences interesting and valuable to read.
 I find that the four finger flick gesture really helps while moving around 
 most iPad screens, especially in applications such as mail and safari, this 
 gesture helps avoid swiping with one finger constantly.  I also find that 
 applications such as iBooks and the iWork applications are wonderful 
 additions to this device, and afford the user functionality ad productivity 
 you just don't find on the iPhone.
 In my way of thinking, these are two different kinds of devices, which 
 perform different functions and I use and think of them for completely 
 different things in my life.
 There's also the issue with the iPhone's battery life.  I can't for instance, 
 watch a movie or