Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread sadam . lists
Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
updated. 

Rerunning the installation doesn't help. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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 On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:13 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
 whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
 checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
 don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could 
 try. anyone got any ideas? thanks! 
 
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Re: Xcode: adding navigation bars and bar buttons

2015-08-02 Thread venky . 92
Thank you for the help!
Could you explain in a bit more elaborate way?
Do I do what you suggested after adding in navigation bar? Moreover, is the 
procedure similar for adding a toolbar?

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 On 02-Aug-2015, at 8:35 pm, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 
 
 First, you would embed the view controller in a navigation controller from 
 the editor menu.
 
 You should then find a navigation item in the controller seen when you expand 
 the controller.  You set the title of the bar in it’s inspector and make 
 connections as well.  In the connections inspector, drag from one of it’s 
 outlets, e.g., backBarButtonItem, leftBarButtonItem, rightBarButtonItem to 
 the bar button you dragged to that seen.
 
 On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:52:56 AM UTC-5, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:
 Hi, 
 Using voice over, I typically add labels, buttons and text fields by 
 dragging them from the library to the document outlin in the Interface 
 builder.  I change the attributes such as the title, label text, et cetera 
 using the attributes inspector. However, I am unable to change the title of 
 the navigation bar in this way. How do I do that? Is dragging a bar button 
 on to the navigation bar in the document outline the correct way to add bar 
 buttons to the navigation bar? 
 Thank you. 
 Regards, 
 Venkatesh 
 
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Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread Joe Quinn
good to know. then i won't waste my time redownloading the setup.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:42 PM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
 updated. 
 
 Rerunning the installation doesn't help. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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 On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:13 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
 whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
 checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
 don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could 
 try. anyone got any ideas? thanks! 
 
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Re: after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread sadam . lists
Just sit tight and wait for Apple to update drivers. Alternatively you could 
downgrade back to win 7. 

Sent from my iPhone 

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 On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:45 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 good to know. then i won't waste my time redownloading the setup.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:42 PM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yep. I have the same problem. I'm guessing the Boot Camp drivers have to be 
 updated. 
 
 Rerunning the installation doesn't help. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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 On 3 Aug 2015, at 1:13 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
 whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
 checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
 don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could 
 try. anyone got any ideas? thanks! 
 
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Re: Text boxes in Pages?

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Hall
Hello again,
I just realized I'm having a problem. I saved the template with its 
placeholders in place, then made a new document based on that template. As I 
down arrowed through the document body, VO announced my placeholder text, so I 
typed in values for it. M text got inserted, but in the middle of the line and 
*without* replacing the placeholder! For instance, a line in my template looks 
like the following, where text in brackets is the placeholder:

Client name: [client name]

After I filled in my file, that line looked like this:

clieTest Clientnt name: [client name]

What did I do wrong, to not have the placeholder placed correctly? Vo spoke the 
placeholder text, so it picked it up somehow. It just didn't override it with 
what I was typing. Thanks for any suggestions.
 On Jul 26, 2015, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Alex,
 
 I think you’d find placeholder text a better way for entering text that 
 changes. Just type in some typical text in the format you want, then select 
 that text, press VO-Tab for VO to ignore next key press, then press 
 Ctrl-Option-Cmd-t to make it placeholder text. When using your template, the 
 placeholder text will be highlighted when you navigate to it using just the 
 arrow keys, and typing will replace it but keep the formatting.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 26 Jul 2015, at 00:58, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hey list,
 I'm trying, once more, to get more into Pages. Hopefully, this time, I can 
 make myself stick with it long enough to get a handle on this thing.
 
 Currently, I have a few basic questions: I'm making a template I can use to 
 fill out client reports and bills (I'm an AT instructor and have to email my 
 clients this information). I thought I'd put text boxes in where I'll be 
 entering text that can change, and just type the text that won't. Here's a 
 super simple example:
 
 Alex Hall
 [auto-inserted date]
 
 Client Name: [text box for client name]
 Number of Hours: [text box for hours]
 
 You get the idea. I'm running into a few questions, though.
 
 1. How do I get the text box to fit the height of the line of text it's on? 
 VO reports that it's 1.2 inches tall, which strikes me as rather large.
 2. Do I even need a text box, or am I trying to use one where a different 
 item would work better?
 3. If I do need one, how can I insert text around it? I inserted one, but 
 even if I go to the end of the line and hit return, then type, the box is 
 pushed along to the end of my new line of text instead of staying where I 
 put it.
 
 Thanks in advance for any answers anyone can provide.
 
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Re: windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Just to add to this  most screen readers with the exception of NVDA don’t 
support Windows 10 very well at the moment. 

Something I found out the hard way after upgrading. 

Thank you,

Sadam Ahmed 

Diploma of International Business candidate 

RMIT University 

Blog: 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 

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 On 3 Aug 2015, at 8:21 am, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks! That’s kinda what I was expecting.
 Jeff
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not very well. If you care about stability wait for Apple to upgrade
 their drivers.
 
 On 8/2/2015 11:17 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
 Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
 bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
 don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
 Thanks, Jeff
 
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Chris

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!




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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!




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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

2015-08-02 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Well I suppose the biggest counterargument to that is that a Mac has more 
processing power, bandwidth and listening capability to an iPhone. So it’s 
conceivable that the results would naturally be better, regardless. I’m always 
surprised just how good the results are compared to my phone, anyway.

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Xcode: adding navigation bars and bar buttons

2015-08-02 Thread venky . 92
Hi,
Using voice over, I typically add labels, buttons and text fields by dragging 
them from the library to the document outlin in the Interface builder.  I 
change the attributes such as the title, label text, et cetera using the 
attributes inspector. However, I am unable to change the title of the 
navigation bar in this way. How do I do that? Is dragging a bar button on to 
the navigation bar in the document outline the correct way to add bar buttons 
to the navigation bar?
Thank you.
Regards, 
Venkatesh 

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I am happy to see you beat me to it.  Many thanks.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
As I said earlier.  I may have, and probably did, over-react a bit.  This 
being said though, honestly speaking, as I said, I just don't see how she's 
gonna enforce the rule that you must be running the beta to get on the list. 
Anyone could BS and say, I'm running it, when they're really not, then, 
could turn around get on the list, find out things thanks to them faking 
that they're running it, then once they know these things, turn around and 
blab them where they don't belong.


Am I way way way way way! over paranoid?  Yes.  Probably.  But do you 
not see where I'm coming from?  As you said, cut the lady some slack, I say 
the same to you about me as well.  Was I maybe a bit rude in how I said 
things?  Yes.  I'm willing to give yall that, but really think about it.


Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the 
public betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that 
shouldn’t be discussed on this list.
On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I said 
things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I apologize, but 
that being said, do you really honestly think that you're going to be able 
to verify that each person claming they're running the beta is really 
doing so?


Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold 
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.  I'm 
not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm just simply 
asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way I did so 
initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as charged, but do 
you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify every single person 
who subscribes?  Really?


Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
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apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread E.T.

Chis,
   Cut us all some slack and zip that potty mouth of yours and start 
showing some class. You know well you were past rude here. And 
apologizing and then saying But... makes your apologies worthless.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/2/2015 6:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

As I said earlier.  I may have, and probably did, over-react a bit.
This being said though, honestly speaking, as I said, I just don't see
how she's gonna enforce the rule that you must be running the beta to
get on the list. Anyone could BS and say, I'm running it, when they're
really not, then, could turn around get on the list, find out things
thanks to them faking that they're running it, then once they know these
things, turn around and blab them where they don't belong.

Am I way way way way way! over paranoid?  Yes.  Probably.  But do
you not see where I'm coming from?  As you said, cut the lady some
slack, I say the same to you about me as well.  Was I maybe a bit rude
in how I said things?  Yes.  I'm willing to give yall that, but really
think about it.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the
public betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that
shouldn’t be discussed on this list.

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I
said things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I
apologize, but that being said, do you really honestly think that
you're going to be able to verify that each person claming they're
running the beta is really doing so?

Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.
I'm not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm
just simply asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way
I did so initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as
charged, but do you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify
every single person who subscribes?  Really?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in
the least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to
mind your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I
just don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one
thing. Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will
not tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if
I really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Wrong!  I follow rules

Get over it!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.

On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
 concerned. Don't take it personally.
 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
 own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?


Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
isn't true!


If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady 
sang!


You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
be mature, then practice what you preach!


Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because 
you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely 
disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like 
this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.


Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
idiots blew it outta perportion!


I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized 
for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, 
I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
children/whiners!


You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.


It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.


On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just 
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my 

Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love it, 
 but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do anything are 
 all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these 
 videos becoming fewer?
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
That is fine 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Pamela Francis
Try this one,
youtube-mp3.org 

Pam Francis

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love it, 
 but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do anything are 
 all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these 
 videos becoming fewer?
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Daniel Miller
Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the public 
betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that shouldn’t be 
discussed on this list.
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I said 
 things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I apologize, but 
 that being said, do you really honestly think that you're going to be able to 
 verify that each person claming they're running the beta is really doing so?
 
 Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold truth, 
 whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.  I'm not trying 
 to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm just simply asking what I 
 feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way I did so initially probably was 
 quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as charged, but do you really? mean to tell 
 me that you plan to verify every single person who subscribes?  Really?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
 own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
 on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Shaf
Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.

On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
 own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Aleeha wrote:

 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.

 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
 on 9?

 Chris.
 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?

 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!

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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Devin Prater
not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
the Mac, which didn't work.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love it, 
 but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do anything are 
 all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to convert these 
 videos becoming fewer?
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. But, 
as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you place 
the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding everything 
you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything 
wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
 idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
 my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you all're 
 being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to start with!  
 Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry! 
  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go for it!  But 
 be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I have no intrest in 
 joining a group consisting of bed-wetting children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
 chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
 
 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
 concerned. Don't take it personally.
 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

And, that's my problem that you don't believe it, why?

I can't force you to accept my apology, nor will I try.  I said I was sorry, 
but if you don't wanna believe it, then so be it!  I'm not going to continue 
arguing this.


I said what I said.  Either believe it, or don't, but don't keep beating the 
dead horse in its nuts!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message 
out, and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble 
believing that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me, 
you just seem to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read your 
email, but I'm not sure I believe it.


Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I 
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said 
what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd 
a known that. Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so 
rudely.  I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented 
my original question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question 
itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated 
you, but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?


Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I 
have done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and 
none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word 
where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you 
don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a 
troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting 
the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you 
had to come back with your remark that I went against what I said 
initially, which you damn well know isn't true!


If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm 
tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much 
list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat 
lady sang!


You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you 
wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!


Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because 
you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely 
disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like 
this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.


Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and 
you idiots blew it outta perportion!


I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized 
for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as 
you all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made 
to start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as 
frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
children/whiners!


You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.


It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.


On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in 
the least and I really don't need that kind 

Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
You're more than welcome.

Let me know if you need further assistance, or for me to be ***Off list*** more 
specific.

I really don't care to elaborate more publicly on list.  You're welcome to 
write me off list though.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickey Quenzer 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro


  Thanks Christopher:
  I appreciate that quick exclamation.
  My mind isn't quite on the Mac at this point there's just things I need to do 
so thanks for the quick!.


  *** Mickey Quenzer ***
  *** Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC ***
  *** Web site: http://www.attacs.net ***
  *** Phone: 541-218-3975 ***

  On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Command+comma
Interact with toolbar
Accounts tab
interact with table
Find account to delete
remove button
There.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Mickey Quenzer 
mickey.quen...@gmail.com
To: Mac Visionary macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:18 AM
Subject: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro



  Hello:

  I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.

  Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?

  I very much appreciate this thank you!



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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the least 
and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your own 
business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't appreciate 
that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly being rude and 
nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
 on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-02 Thread Phil Halton
I believe that another way to do a forward delete is by adding the function key 
to the backspace key. That's what I've always done, and I had forgotten all 
about control D. 

Sent from my IPhone


 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I think I'm missing something. Backspace will *always* do that, there's no 
 easy way of altering that. Right now, if I type the letter T and then 
 backspace, that T is gone and VoiceOver says T along with a beep (the beep 
 only because I have sounds enabled for deleting). What happens when you hit 
 backspace? To be clear, we're talking about the key above the backslash and 
 below F12 and Eject, right? You can do a forward delete, but you have to 
 press ctrl-d, and I doubt that's the keystroke you're using. 
 
  You can On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Stacey Robinson 
 stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or 
 number I just typed?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
 key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
 different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, 
 which is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit 
 left arrow, then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the 
 same thing, and VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system makes 
 more sense, at least to me. You can configure it differently, but I 
 honestly get confused when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, 
 since I am more easily lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
 
 If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
 with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then 
 vo-right to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or 
 tab until you find the while typing speak popup. Hit vo-space, use the 
 arrows to choose speak text to the right of the cursor, then vo-space to 
 confirm. You may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what you 
 want; if not, something else may have been configured on your old Mac that 
 I'm not thinking of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
 I’ve left in the above Mistakes so you can see  what I mean.
 
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RE: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread george b
You all need to just understand he just likes attention someone should sign him 
up on facebook and maybe he will not pester us any more

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 07:38
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

Who would want to do that Chris? Honestly, what's with all the Snark? We're all 
adults here, for the most part, and that potential issue will take care of 
itself.

Sent from my IPhone


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
 on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Shaf
If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
Audiohyjack and record the stream?
Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
ads.

On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
 they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
 the Mac, which didn't work.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
 it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
 anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
 convert these videos becoming fewer?

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Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

2015-08-02 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Hello:
I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.
Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?
I very much appreciate this thank you!

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message out, 
and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble believing 
that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me, you just seem 
to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read your email, but I'm 
not sure I believe it.

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
 You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
 and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
 Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
 totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
 question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
 all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
 my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
 the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
 with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
 any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
 done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
 you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
 this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
 me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
 grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
 sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
 remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
 isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
 of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
 drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
 be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
 But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you 
 place the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding 
 everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not 
 done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
 idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
 my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
 all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
 start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
 longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
 service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
 have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
 children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
 chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
 
 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
 concerned. Don't take it personally.
 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
 don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
 Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 

Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Command+comma
Interact with toolbar
Accounts tab
interact with table
Find account to delete
remove button
There.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Mickey Quenzer mickey.quen...@gmail.com

To: Mac Visionary macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:18 AM
Subject: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro



Hello:
I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.
Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?
I very much appreciate this thank you!

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I said 
things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I apologize, but 
that being said, do you really honestly think that you're going to be able 
to verify that each person claming they're running the beta is really doing 
so?


Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold 
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.  I'm 
not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm just simply 
asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way I did so 
initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as charged, but do 
you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify every single person who 
subscribes?  Really?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
idiots blew it outta perportion!


I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
children/whiners!


You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.


It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
concerned. Don't take it personally.


On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not 
tolerate.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running 
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?


Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
really am? on 9?


Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: Please help with backspace issue. Step by step instructions needed

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Hall
Really? I never knew that. Actually, I feel like I did, but I'd forgotten 
completely. Thanks for the reminder-that's way easier to hit than ctrl-d.
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I believe that another way to do a forward delete is by adding the function 
 key to the backspace key. That's what I've always done, and I had forgotten 
 all about control D. 
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:57 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I think I'm missing something. Backspace will *always* do that, there's no 
 easy way of altering that. Right now, if I type the letter T and then 
 backspace, that T is gone and VoiceOver says T along with a beep (the beep 
 only because I have sounds enabled for deleting). What happens when you hit 
 backspace? To be clear, we're talking about the key above the backslash and 
 below F12 and Eject, right? You can do a forward delete, but you have to 
 press ctrl-d, and I doubt that's the keystroke you're using. 
 
  You can On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:52 PM, Stacey Robinson 
 stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Alex If I check this box, when I backspace will it delete the letter or 
 number I just typed?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Is the issue backspacing, or arrowing? You can't change what the backspace 
 key does in the VO Utility, but you can set the arrow keys to do a couple 
 different things. By default, VO tells you what you've just moved past, 
 which is why it will repeat the same character over and over if you hit 
 left arrow, then right, then left, then right… You keep moving past the 
 same thing, and VO reports exactly that. Once you get it, this system 
 makes more sense, at least to me. You can configure it differently, but I 
 honestly get confused when I try to use Windows screen readers nowadays, 
 since I am more easily lost in the text than I am on the Mac or iOS.
 
 If you want things to work how they do in Windows, head to the VO utility 
 with vo-f8. Select the Verbosity item in the categories table, then 
 vo-right to the list of tabs. Vo-space on the 'text' tab, then vo-right or 
 tab until you find the while typing speak popup. Hit vo-space, use the 
 arrows to choose speak text to the right of the cursor, then vo-space to 
 confirm. You may now close the VoiceOver Utility. I hope this does what 
 you want; if not, something else may have been configured on your old Mac 
 that I'm not thinking of.
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi I wrote about this before but I need more help.
 I want to set vo so that it will backspace over the letter or number 
  that the cursor is just in in front of. I don’t know what checkboxes to 
 check or uncheck in vo utilitiesl bessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
   
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I agree 100%.  Actually I feel this attack never should a started in the 
first place!  I said I was sorry.  Honestly, yall should a dropped it at 
that point.


With all due respect, I'm in agreement here with this poster.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Kaveinthran Pulanthran kavein2...@gmail.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



I think we should stop this, as this is not apple related, please have
your personal controversies offlist,

On 8/2/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

And, that's my problem that you don't believe it, why?

I can't force you to accept my apology, nor will I try.  I said I was 
sorry,


but if you don't wanna believe it, then so be it!  I'm not going to 
continue


arguing this.

I said what I said.  Either believe it, or don't, but don't keep beating 
the


dead horse in its nuts!

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message
out, and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble
believing that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me,
you just seem to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read 
your


email, but I'm not sure I believe it.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I 
said


what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read my message, 
you'd


a known that. Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across 
so


rudely.  I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I 
presented


my original question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question
itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I 
treated


you, but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to 
grasp?


Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're 
violating


the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly 
or


with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I 
challenge


any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I
have done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and
none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word
where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, 
you


don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a
troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit 
getting


the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then 
you


had to come back with your remark that I went against what I said
initially, which you damn well know isn't true!

If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm
tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this 
much


list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat
lady sang!

You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you
wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of 
me.


But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, 
because


you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely
disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated 
like


this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and
you idiots blew it outta perportion!

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I 
apologized


for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as
you all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been 
made


to start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, 
no


longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of
service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as
frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
children/whiners!

You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate 
the


chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.

It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.


Re: vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread Shaf
I've done this w/ minimal problems.

On 8/2/2015 7:40 PM, Chris wrote:
 Hi I don't think this is true. It probably isn't a supported guest but
 it should still install and run.
 
 On 02/08/2015 19:33, wayne coles wrote:
 hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I
 was told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance



 

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Re: Insert current date in Pages template?

2015-08-02 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Alex,

Here’s how to manage date fields in templates in Pages.
Go to the Insert menu and choose Date  Time. Press Return (by default, Pages 
takes the Date and Time format from the Full definition in System Preferences, 
Language
 Region pane). However, you can change the date and time format as follows:
Go to the last item then press left arrow to highlight the date and time. Bring 
the mouse and do VO-Shift-Space. You’ll hear the current date followed by “Pop 
up button”. Click this button to get a menu giving various forms of the date. 
Use VO-w to spell out each one and select the one you prefer by pressing Return.
The Choose Date Format pop up window opens where you can change the date and 
time format as well as its values. The unlabelled button to the right of Set to 
today is the Calendar button. Tip: you can label this button using VO-Slash. In 
any case, click the Set to today button.
Clicking the Calendar button allows you to set any date you like. Press Return 
when you’re done.
So, when you open your template, you can get the menu for the date field and 
click the Set to today button and the format will be that which you selected 
for your template.

Cheers,

Anne


 On 1 Aug 2015, at 04:01, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi list,
 As promised, I'm back with another Pages question. I'm finally converting my 
 bill and service report templates from RTF to actual Pages templates, as 
 it'll be easier to fill them out this way. One thing I'd love to do is to 
 have the current date inserted into a new document when I generate one from 
 the template. Better still, I'd like to control with parts of the date 
 appear. For example, the main date field would be the full date, whereas 
 another section would be only the month and the year. Are either of these 
 doable? I could make placeholders and type it in manually, but it seems like 
 Pages should be able to manage this for me. Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread matthew dyer
Hi,

I like you have experienced the same thing.  I really hope apple fixes this 
before it is out for final release.


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Well i  am experiencing that its gone a bit worse.
 It cuts off words and stops in middle of text reading.
 Safari and vo has also been a bit odd.
 I can not use the tab key as much as i could.
 /A
 1 aug. 2015 kl. 21:39 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread wayne coles
hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I
was told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance

 

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Re: vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread Chris
Hi I don't think this is true. It probably isn't a supported guest but 
it should still install and run.


On 02/08/2015 19:33, wayne coles wrote:

hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I
was told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance





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Re: Insert current date in Pages template?

2015-08-02 Thread Alex Hall
Thank you, that's a big help, if somewhat convoluted. :) I gather that Pages 
uses a lot of this mouse stuff, instead of making things more efficiently 
accessible?

As to the date, is there no way to tell the template to auto-fill the current 
date when I make a new file? I now know how to insert and format the date, but 
if I make a file in October based on this template, can Pages not automagically 
put October 3, 2015 into that field? I can do it manually, I guess I'm just 
surprised I have to, if that makes sense.
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello Alex,
 
 Here’s how to manage date fields in templates in Pages.
 Go to the Insert menu and choose Date  Time. Press Return (by default, Pages 
 takes the Date and Time format from the Full definition in System 
 Preferences, Language
  Region pane). However, you can change the date and time format as follows:
 Go to the last item then press left arrow to highlight the date and time. 
 Bring the mouse and do VO-Shift-Space. You’ll hear the current date followed 
 by “Pop up button”. Click this button to get a menu giving various forms of 
 the date. Use VO-w to spell out each one and select the one you prefer by 
 pressing Return.
 The Choose Date Format pop up window opens where you can change the date and 
 time format as well as its values. The unlabelled button to the right of Set 
 to today is the Calendar button. Tip: you can label this button using 
 VO-Slash. In any case, click the Set to today button.
 Clicking the Calendar button allows you to set any date you like. Press 
 Return when you’re done.
 So, when you open your template, you can get the menu for the date field and 
 click the Set to today button and the format will be that which you selected 
 for your template.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 1 Aug 2015, at 04:01, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi list,
 As promised, I'm back with another Pages question. I'm finally converting my 
 bill and service report templates from RTF to actual Pages templates, as 
 it'll be easier to fill them out this way. One thing I'd love to do is to 
 have the current date inserted into a new document when I generate one from 
 the template. Better still, I'd like to control with parts of the date 
 appear. For example, the main date field would be the full date, whereas 
 another section would be only the month and the year. Are either of these 
 doable? I could make placeholders and type it in manually, but it seems like 
 Pages should be able to manage this for me. Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: word count in text edit

2015-08-02 Thread Paul Erkens
Hi Jim and others,

What a wonderful tip that is. I have been running into mac versus unix files 
since I’m using mac and windows side by side. Word count, sort lines, convert 
from mac to windows formatting etc, wow. Thanks a lot. And for those 
interested: yes, it’s in the mac app store. Still exploring all its 
capabilities.

Hth,
Paul.
 On 31 Jul 2015, at 05:38, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi!
 If you look for an app called word service it will let you install several 
 services that work with many applications and one of them is a word count 
 service.  Also sorting is another handy service that I use quite a bit.
 Jim
 
 On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Gabe Griffith gabrielgriff...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Is there a way to get a word count for files in text edit? I've looked in 
 the menus and am not seeing anything.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Gabe
 
 
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Well i  am experiencing that its gone a bit worse.
It cuts off words and stops in middle of text reading.
Safari and vo has also been a bit odd.
I can not use the tab key as much as i could.
/A
 1 aug. 2015 kl. 21:39 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Kaveinthran Pulanthran
I think we should stop this, as this is not apple related, please have
your personal controversies offlist,

On 8/2/15, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 And, that's my problem that you don't believe it, why?

 I can't force you to accept my apology, nor will I try.  I said I was sorry,

 but if you don't wanna believe it, then so be it!  I'm not going to continue

 arguing this.

 I said what I said.  Either believe it, or don't, but don't keep beating the

 dead horse in its nuts!

 Chris.

 - Original Message -
 From: Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


 Your problem is that you're always like that. You get your snarky message
 out, and then you apologize afterwards, like you mean it. I have trouble
 believing that you actually mean it. Like your last message, berating me,
 you just seem to say things in a mean way and not care. So yes, I read your

 email, but I'm not sure I believe it.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
 apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said

 what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd

 a known that. Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so

 rudely.  I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented

 my original question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question
 itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated

 you, but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?

 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating

 the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or

 with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge

 any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I
 have done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and
 none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word
 where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you

 don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a
 troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting

 the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you

 had to come back with your remark that I went against what I said
 initially, which you damn well know isn't true!

 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm
 tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much

 list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat
 lady sang!

 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you
 wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

 Chris.

 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me.

 But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because

 you place the word but after it. Which means you were completely
 disregarding everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like

 this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and
 you idiots blew it outta perportion!

 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized

 for my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as
 you all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made

 to start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no

 longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of
 service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as
 frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
 children/whiners!

 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the

 chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.

 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


 And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just ignore him. He's generally a dick 

Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Jessica Moss
I've noticed too that even after updating flash, YouTube and even cbs videos 
only play when they want to which is maddening.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
 they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
 the Mac, which didn't work.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
 it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
 anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
 convert these videos becoming fewer?
 
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Jessica Moss
I don't have time to do that.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
 Audiohyjack and record the stream?
 Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
 ads.
 
 On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
 they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for on 
 the Mac, which didn't work.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
 it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
 anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Devin Prater
I wonder if Kodi media center has an addon to do this?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't have time to do that.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
 Audiohyjack and record the stream?
 Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
 ads.
 
 On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
 they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for 
 on the Mac, which didn't work.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Chris

Thanks it's now gone to my Tech Zone list.

On 02/08/2015 13:08, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

That is fine

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris challswor...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: youtube to mp3 no longer seems to work.

2015-08-02 Thread Shaf
what about listentoyoutube.com
that one still works


On 8/2/2015 7:18 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 I wonder if Kodi media center has an addon to do this?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:10 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't have time to do that.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it's really important for you to grab youtube videos, why not use
 Audiohyjack and record the stream?
 Yes it takes forever, but it's better than being bombarded by ridiculous
 ads.

 On 8/2/2015 3:43 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
 not only that, but the Youtube API changes, and if apps don't get updated, 
 they'll stop working. Same goes for that darn Translate app I paid $1 for 
 on the Mac, which didn't work.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 YouTube is blocking a lot of these converters. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 I've been using mediahuman's youtube to mp3 converter for ages, and love 
 it, but now whenever I paste a link from youtube, the options to do 
 anything are all dimmed.  Has it stopped working, or are the options to 
 convert these videos becoming fewer?

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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
Well at least Apple knows about the problem, i have filed a bug report.
/Krister

 2 aug. 2015 kl. 20:27 skrev matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi,
 
 I like you have experienced the same thing.  I really hope apple fixes this 
 before it is out for final release.
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Well i  am experiencing that its gone a bit worse.
 It cuts off words and stops in middle of text reading.
 Safari and vo has also been a bit odd.
 I can not use the tab key as much as i could.
 /A
 1 aug. 2015 kl. 21:39 skrev Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Sonos Controler.

2015-08-02 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi,
do you have a contact e-mail address? I wasn’t very successful in sending a 
message via the contact form. 
Jürgen


 Am 20.07.2015 um 18:25 schrieb Matthew Janusauskas mjanusaus...@gmail.com:
 
 Sonos does seem to be quite receptive and responsive to accessibility 
 concerns. The more people that contact them directly about it the more likely 
 they are to address the concerns in an upcoming software update.
 
 
 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Kevin White richmond...@gmail.com 
 mailto:richmond...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the information. I've played with it some, and while it is
 not an ideal situation for controlling the Sonos playback experience,
 I find that it does meet my needs for basic music library management.
 I hope that the devs incorporate text labels for the buttons as I am
 not confident enough with the interface layout to start setting up
 tags for buttons.
 Best,
 Kevin
 
 On 7/19/15, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name mailto:bu...@brannan.name 
 wrote:
  If the buttons have hints, can one not label with VO+slash? Not ideal, and
  certainly we want the dev to fix it, but...?
 
  --
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  Phone: 814-860-3194 tel:814-860-3194
  Mobile: 814-431-0962 tel:814-431-0962
  Email: bu...@brannan.name mailto:bu...@brannan.name
 
 
 
 
  On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Matthew Janusauskas mjanusaus...@gmail.com 
  mailto:mjanusaus...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  While the Sonos controller for Mac does have accessibility hints on many
  of the controlls that are helpful when using VoiceOver most of the buttons
  and controlls do not actually have text labels which makes it not very
  efficient or enjoyable to use unfortunately. Hopefully this will be
  improved in the future.
 
  Matthew
 
 
  On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:04 AM, jeff `greene greenebo...@gmail.com 
  mailto:greenebo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Hi Kevin, I used to use the sonos controller on the mac but found it
  annoying. I installed it then used it to add my audio book library to
  it. Then, I used the iphone sonos app to play my audio book library on
  the sonos. The one problem I had was the sonos app on the mac kept
  trying to send all audio to the sonos speaker even when it was powered
  off.
  HTH Jeff
 
 
  On 7/19/15, Kevin White richmond...@gmail.com 
  mailto:richmond...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi there,
   I'm relatively new to the Mac, and am wondering if I will be able to
   use the Sonos controller app with voiceover. I already use it mostly
   on my phone, but I'd like to be able to add my Mac's music library.
   Thanks in Advance for any tips, guidance, or advice.
   Kevin
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Re: QuickNav Commands question

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
The original sender wanted a one key command, which is not possible to create, 
unfortunately.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:19 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is built in
 
 Push both the left and right arrows at the same time and you get quick nav on 
 and the same for off
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Finley
 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 08:07
 To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: QuickNav Commands question
 
 I would like to set a single key toggle to turn quickNav  on and off. I 
 understand how to set up quickNav and keyboard commanders and have 
 successfully done both.  But I cannot locate a command for  toggling quickNav 
 on or off.  Am I missing something or does this  command not exist?
 
 A second related question, when adding QN commands there is a checkbox for 
 enabling/disabling the left/right arrow key toggle. If one disables that, 
 what is the alternative?  Thank you.
 
 Sandy
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Ooo! Little Mrs/Mr. not sure which you are, nor care, wants to preach at me 
now.  good one!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: E.T. ancient.ali...@icloud.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Chis,
   Cut us all some slack and zip that potty mouth of yours and start
showing some class. You know well you were past rude here. And
apologizing and then saying But... makes your apologies worthless.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/2/2015 6:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

As I said earlier.  I may have, and probably did, over-react a bit.
This being said though, honestly speaking, as I said, I just don't see
how she's gonna enforce the rule that you must be running the beta to
get on the list. Anyone could BS and say, I'm running it, when they're
really not, then, could turn around get on the list, find out things
thanks to them faking that they're running it, then once they know these
things, turn around and blab them where they don't belong.

Am I way way way way way! over paranoid?  Yes.  Probably.  But do
you not see where I'm coming from?  As you said, cut the lady some
slack, I say the same to you about me as well.  Was I maybe a bit rude
in how I said things?  Yes.  I'm willing to give yall that, but really
think about it.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


Wow…cut the poor girl some slack? She’s only trying to give users of the
public betas a place to discuss things that are confidential, and that
shouldn’t be discussed on this list.

On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, I apologize.  Maybe, admittedly that was a little bit harsh how I
said things, I'll give you credit there, and again, for that, I
apologize, but that being said, do you really honestly think that
you're going to be able to verify that each person claming they're
running the beta is really doing so?

Again, don't take this rudely, if you do, then I'm sorry, but the cold
truth, whether you wanna hear it or not is, be a bit realistic here.
I'm not trying to bash you here, though it may seem that way.  I'm
just simply asking what I feel to be a valid question.  Again, the way
I did so initially probably was quite rude, I'll confess, guilty as
charged, but do you really? mean to tell me that you plan to verify
every single person who subscribes?  Really?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in
the least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to
mind your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I
just don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one
thing. Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will
not tolerate.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

Aleeha wrote:

In order to join this group, you must be running at

least one of the betas.


And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running
the betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?

Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just
so I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if
I really am? on 9?

Chris.
Chris.

- Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!



Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Phil Halton
Who would want to do that Chris? Honestly, what's with all the Snark? We're all 
adults here, for the most part, and that potential issue will take care of 
itself.

Sent from my IPhone


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
 on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
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Re: has voiceover stopped stop speaking in the latest beta?

2015-08-02 Thread matthew dyer
Hi,  write me off list if you are using the beta  and we can talk about it.  I 
do not wish to break the NDA on this list.


 On Aug 1, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Surely you know you can to others in the public beta. Public beta group, 
 anyone? This could all be settled easily. *sighs* 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net 
 mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Surely you know that we cannot answer that.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com 
 mailto:d.pra...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know if voiceover works better in beta 3 of El Capitan? 
 I'm wondering because it still stops speaking just the same in beta 2. ?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Xcode: adding navigation bars and bar buttons

2015-08-02 Thread Barry Hadder


Hi,


First, you would embed the view controller in a navigation controller from 
the editor menu.

You should then find a navigation item in the controller seen when you 
expand the controller.  You set the title of the bar in it’s inspector and 
make connections as well.  In the connections inspector, drag from one of 
it’s outlets, e.g., backBarButtonItem, leftBarButtonItem, 
rightBarButtonItem to the bar button you dragged to that seen.
On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 1:52:56 AM UTC-5, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:

 Hi, 
 Using voice over, I typically add labels, buttons and text fields by 
 dragging them from the library to the document outlin in the Interface 
 builder.  I change the attributes such as the title, label text, et cetera 
 using the attributes inspector. However, I am unable to change the title of 
 the navigation bar in this way. How do I do that? Is dragging a bar button 
 on to the navigation bar in the document outline the correct way to add bar 
 buttons to the navigation bar? 
 Thank you. 
 Regards, 
 Venkatesh 

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Re: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro

2015-08-02 Thread Mickey Quenzer
Thanks Christopher:
I appreciate that quick exclamation.
My mind isn't quite on the Mac at this point there's just things I need to do 
so thanks for the quick!.

*** Mickey Quenzer ***
*** Assistive Technology Training And Consulting Services LLC ***
*** Web site: http://www.attacs.net ***
*** Phone: 541-218-3975 ***

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Command+comma
 Interact with toolbar
 Accounts tab
 interact with table
 Find account to delete
 remove button
 There.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Mickey Quenzer mickey.quen...@gmail.com
 To: Mac Visionary macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:18 AM
 Subject: Deleting email accounts to start fresh on the MacBook pro
 
 
 Hello:
 I am running OS X on my MacBook Pro.
 Could someone please explain how to delete mailboxes so I can start fresh?
 I very much appreciate this thank you!
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
question. Thanks.
Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
yourself should think about that criticism as well?
On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
 that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
 whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
 want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
 a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
 apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
 I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
 my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
 sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
 that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
 This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
 all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
 but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
 grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
 violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
 discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
 forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
 says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
 time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
 take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
 says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
 don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
 am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
 quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
 was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
 went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
 isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
 I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
 worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
 it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
 you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
 sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To:
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
 treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
 isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
 means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
 And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
 wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
 apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
 though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
 apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
 right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
 If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
 for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly,
 I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
 children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then
 initiate the chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
 
 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To:
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
 10:54 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 And now we are feeding patrol. 

RE: vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread george b
Well that is the only issue I found is the web and freedom scientific gives a 
very good and simple drictions on how to make the internet explorer the defalt 
browser and then no issues.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 13:49
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: vm fusion

 

Hey Wayne. If you're not in a rush, I would hold off on installing Windows 10 
especially with Fusion. According to this article from Cool Blind Tech, some 
features of Windows 10 including Microsoft's new Edge browser aren't accessible 
with most screen readers except for the current NVDA beta. So it's a question 
of do you really need Windows 10 right now? Because if you don't, I'd suggest 
waiting until all the bugs have been ironed out. 
http://www.coolblindtech.com/stepping-over-the-threshold-windows-10-in-1-words-thoroughly-reviewed/

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk

Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs

Skype username: bbstheblindrapper

Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com 

 

On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:33 PM, wayne coles wayne...@gmail.com 
mailto:wayne...@gmail.com  wrote:

 

hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I was 
told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance

 

 

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Re: windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread jeff `greene
Thanks! That’s kinda what I was expecting.
Jeff

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not very well. If you care about stability wait for Apple to upgrade
 their drivers.
 
 On 8/2/2015 11:17 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
 Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
 bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
 don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
 Thanks, Jeff
 
 
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RE: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread george b
I haven't got the question eather

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 14:21
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!

I haven't received the question either.

On 02/08/2015 21:41, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
 Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
 request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
 question. Thanks.
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

 On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Stephanie
Same here on my ipad mini.
Steph

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am
Subject: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.



 hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.
 
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windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread jeff `greene
Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
Thanks, Jeff

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Sunshine

May I share the infor with a friend who may want to join the beta list?

On 8/2/2015 1:32 PM, Chris wrote:

Thanks it's now gone to my Tech Zone list.

On 02/08/2015 13:08, Aleeha Dudley wrote:

That is fine

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris challswor...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?


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Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Matthew Dierckens
Yes, as long as they are on either iOS or OS X beta. Developer and public beta 
testers are welcome. We send out an email with a question before the user is 
subscribed.

Matt Dierckens
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Macintosh trainer
Canadian phone: 5199629140
U.S. Phone: 5734011018
Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 15:22, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote:
 
 May I share the infor with a friend who may want to join the beta list?
 
 On 8/2/2015 1:32 PM, Chris wrote:
 Thanks it's now gone to my Tech Zone list.
 
 On 02/08/2015 13:08, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 That is fine
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:56 AM, Chris challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
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add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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RE: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread george b
Add me also I sent a request 8 hours ago and got a reply saying is being 
reviewed before adding

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hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.

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Re: vm fusion

2015-08-02 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey Wayne. If you're not in a rush, I would hold off on installing Windows 10 
especially with Fusion. According to this article from Cool Blind Tech, some 
features of Windows 10 including Microsoft's new Edge browser aren't accessible 
with most screen readers except for the current NVDA beta. So it's a question 
of do you really need Windows 10 right now? Because if you don't, I'd suggest 
waiting until all the bugs have been ironed out. 
http://www.coolblindtech.com/stepping-over-the-threshold-windows-10-in-1-words-thoroughly-reviewed/

Shawn
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 On Aug 2, 2015, at 1:33 PM, wayne coles wayne...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi list is there any thing I can do to install win 10 on my fusion only I was 
 told that I cant do it is that right thanks in advance
  
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Phil Halton
The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And that's what 
turns people off. It turns them off to you into whatever it is you're trying to 
get across in your message.
If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being a 
little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I apologised. 
 You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.  I said what I said, 
 and had you actually taken the time to read my message, you'd a known that. 
 Just for the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I 
 totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented my original 
 question.  This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's 
 all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for 
 my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're violating 
 the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can discuss it publicly or 
 with other testers outside the community forums, and each time I challenge 
 any of you to show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have 
 done so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and none of 
 you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it says 
 this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate 
 me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then 
 grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for Christ 
 sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to come back with your 
 remark that I went against what I said initially, which you damn well know 
 isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly, I'm tired 
 of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really worth this much list 
 drama that you guys are producing?  Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If you wanna 
 be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:06 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your treatment of me. 
 But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology isn't really one, because you 
 place the word but after it. Which means you were completely disregarding 
 everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not 
 done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? comment, and you 
 idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I apologized for 
 my little outburst this morning!  You know what though, as rude as you 
 all're being in return, I wonder if my apology should have been made to 
 start with!  Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no 
 longer am! I sorry!  If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of 
 service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly, I 
 have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting 
 children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then initiate the 
 chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. etc.
 
 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 10:54 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 And now we are feeding patrol. Let's all just shut up and deal with it.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
 concerned. Don't take it personally.
 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
 don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
 Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you 

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Chris

I haven't received the question either.

On 02/08/2015 21:41, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hey Aleeha. Could you please let me in to the public beta group? I sent a 
request at around 1 or 2 AM central and I never got this email with this 
question. Thanks.
Shawn
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On Aug 1, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,
I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!


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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Shaf
Tyler,
Can I contact you off-list re a couple of PGP questions?


On 8/2/2015 10:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
 Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not 
 totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's
 just rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that
 helpful. So here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of
 people that are tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not
 figure out why so many have a problem with you? Everything I've
 seen you post has been rude at best (I don't even like snarky
 because that's an understatement). Now I'm sure you're going to
 respond cursing and screaming with a bunch of bad punctuation,
 which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this has a possibility of
 getting through to you. Also, if you're going to criticise people
 for responding to get the last word in, it seems you yourself
 should think about that criticism as well? On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM,
 Phil Halton wrote:
 The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude.
 And that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into 
 whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If
 you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try
 being a little more tactful instead of being out and out
 insulting.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why
 I apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of
 context. I said what I said, and had you actually taken the
 time to read my message, you'd a known that. Just for the
 record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.  I
 totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I presented
 my original question. This said however, I'm not sorry for the
 question itself.  That's all I meant by the but thing.  I'm
 sorry for how I treated you, but not for my initial question.
 Is that too hard for you to grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think
 you're violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says
 you can discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the
 community forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show
 me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done
 so time after time after time and don't see any reference, and
 none of you ever take me up on my challenge, and show me word
 per word where it says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously
 don't like me, you don't appreciate me, so why do you keep
 writing me!  If I really am a troll as you say, then grow up,
 move on, leave me alone, and quit getting the last word for
 Christ sake!  I said initially I was sorry, but then you had to
 come back with your remark that I went against what I said
 initially, which you damn well know isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as
 frankly, I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it
 really worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?
 Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.
 If you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete 
 sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02,
 2015 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group
 created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your 
 treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your
 apology isn't really one, because you place the word but after
 it. Which means you were completely disregarding everything you
 just said. And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not
 done anything wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? 
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but
 I apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know
 what though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder
 if my apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly,
 E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I
 sorry! If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of
 service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at
 it, as frankly, I have no intrest in joining a group
 consisting of bed-wetting children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then 
 initiate the chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc.
 etc.
 
 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02,
 2015 

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Feel free, I'll do what I can to answer.
ty...@tysdomain.com
HTH,
On 8/2/2015 6:07 PM, Shaf wrote:
 Tyler, Can I contact you off-list re a couple of PGP questions?
 
 
 On 8/2/2015 10:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
 Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's
 not totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation,
 it's just rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all
 that helpful. So here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses
 of people that are tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not 
 figure out why so many have a problem with you? Everything I've 
 seen you post has been rude at best (I don't even like snarky 
 because that's an understatement). Now I'm sure you're going to 
 respond cursing and screaming with a bunch of bad punctuation, 
 which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this has a possibility of 
 getting through to you. Also, if you're going to criticise
 people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
 yourself should think about that criticism as well? On 8/2/2015
 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. 
 And that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
  whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message.
 If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously,
 then try being a little more tactful instead of being out and
 out insulting.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's
 why I apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out
 of context. I said what I said, and had you actually taken
 the time to read my message, you'd a known that. Just for
 the record, I said I was sorry for coming across so rudely.
 I totally agree initially that I over reacted in how I
 presented my original question. This said however, I'm not
 sorry for the question itself.  That's all I meant by the but
 thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you, but not for my
 initial question. Is that too hard for you to grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think 
 you're violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says 
 you can discuss it publicly or with other testers outside
 the community forums, and each time I challenge any of you to
 show me where it says that, you say go read the terms.  I
 have done so time after time after time and don't see any
 reference, and none of you ever take me up on my challenge,
 and show me word per word where it says this is ok.  The
 point is, you obviously don't like me, you don't appreciate
 me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really am a troll as
 you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and quit
 getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
 was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark
 that I went against what I said initially, which you damn
 well know isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as 
 frankly, I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is
 it really worth this much list drama that you guys are
 producing? Get over it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore
 me. If you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete 
 sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley 
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To: 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02, 
 2015 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group 
 created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your 
 treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your 
 apology isn't really one, because you place the word but
 after it. Which means you were completely disregarding
 everything you just said. And I don't care to be treated like
 this. I've not done anything wrong, and you need to shut your
 mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One? 
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking,
 but I apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You
 know what though, as rude as you all're being in return, I
 wonder if my apology should have been made to start with!
 Frankly, E T is right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no
 longer am! I sorry! If you all wanna list to break the
 Apple terms of service, go for it!  But be sure to ban me
 while you're at it, as frankly, I have no intrest in
 joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
 children/whiners!
 
 You hear something you don't like, and you immediately then
  initiate the chinwag of, he's a dick, he's a troll, etc. 
 etc.
 
 It takes one to know one!  That's all I'll say.
 

Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

G uys,
If you have issues getting on a list, email the person who runs the
list directly if you don't mind. This isn't a public beta complaint
list, it's a list for discussion of OSX and Voiceover.

On 8/2/2015 6:05 PM, Stephanie wrote:
 Same here on my ipad mini. Steph
 
 - Original Message - From: Dionipher Presas Herrera
 dionip...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date:
 Monday, August 3, 2015 6:27 am Subject: add me on the public beta
 discussion i already submitted a request.
 
 
 
 hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.
 
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Re: windows 10

2015-08-02 Thread Shaf
Not very well. If you care about stability wait for Apple to upgrade
their drivers.

On 8/2/2015 11:17 PM, jeff `greene wrote:
 Hi, Was wondering if anybody on the list has installed windows 10 under 
 bootcamp? I got the icon in the task bar to get win10 but am hesitating. I 
 don’t know how well it will work with bootcamp drivers.
 Thanks, Jeff
 

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread CJ Daniel
Aleeha,

I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be.  
Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.

CJ


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
 own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really am? 
 on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Devin Prater
Look y'all. Stuff like this happens, then goes away. You want it to stop, then 
just let it stop. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
 stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
 immaturity? Just saying...
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha,
 
 I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
 the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
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Re: add me on the public beta discussion i already submitted a request.

2015-08-02 Thread Aleeha Dudley
I will not process requests made on this list. Please email myself or Matt off 
last to ask questions. Include the email you used to sign up in your message. 
Let's get this traffic stopped right now. 

Sent from my iPhone

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 G uys,
 If you have issues getting on a list, email the person who runs the
 list directly if you don't mind. This isn't a public beta complaint
 list, it's a list for discussion of OSX and Voiceover.
 
 On 8/2/2015 6:05 PM, Stephanie wrote:
 Same here on my ipad mini. Steph
 
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 discussion i already submitted a request.
 
 
 
 hello, i am on the beta too, please add me on the list.
 
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread CJ Daniel
Daniel,

You’re right.  However, when a person decides to act outside of the bounds of 
the conventions that govern a societies behavior, he or she must  should be 
called to task for their actions.  When they refuse to modify their behavior or 
incapable of doing so, then they must be removed from that society.  It happens 
everyday.  Sometime, it can be accomplished through ignoring the individual.  
Unfortunately on the other hand, sometimes a person must be forcefully removed, 
as in being removed from a list.  A larger example of this in the world @ large 
would be imprisoning an individual whose behavior endangers fellow citizens.  
The idea that no one is ever called to task or publicly ridiculed by the hive 
is both impractical and idealistic to a fault.  But, come to think of it, it 
does seem to be the politically correct thing to do these days.  Let’s consider 
the feelings of the offender over the feelings  standards of the offended.

CJ


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
 stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
 immaturity? Just saying...
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha,
 
 I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
 the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Daniel, well said. I've been meaning to say something about this for about a 
few weeks now, but I decided to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to get 
flamed. But since flaming has become an every day activity here it seems, I 
don't really care anymore. So here goes. Ever since the current moderator for 
this list, Cara Quin has decided to become M.I.A., I found that this Mac 
Visionaries list has gone down hill in terms of integrity. Everything from 
talking about pirating Apple beta software from basically bashing people and 
telling them where to go. If Cara decided to read some of these emails, guys, 
how appalled do you think she'd be? This isn't the Mac Visionaries list she 
created. This is the kind of BS that I would expect to read and she'd expect to 
read from the Zone BBS mailing list. And Cara, if you are reading this, I'd 
suggest you do something about this or hand the reins of moderation to someone 
else that will do something about it. No disrespect to you but this needs to 
stop. Moderation is important for a mailing list or it becomes a sea of chaos 
and anarchy like it is now.

Shawn
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Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
 stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
 immaturity? Just saying...
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha,
 
 I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
 the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be. 
  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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after upgqading to win10 in bootcamp, here's what happened!

2015-08-02 Thread Joe Quinn
anyone have this issue? my fn keys don't work. it's as if it doesn't exist. 
whereas in win7, they worked fine! and yes, the option in bootcamp prefs is 
checked to use all f keys as soft5 function keys, just like it was in 7. I 
don't know if redownloading bootcamp setup files will work, guess I could try. 
anyone got any ideas? thanks! 

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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread CJ Daniel
Ditto!!!

I can’t even say how much I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one.  I hear 
“Christopher Mark”  I just delete.  Again, I’m so glad that it’s not just me.  
In fact, since he’s become so much more active…”Christopher Mark” tags on darn 
near every email header…I’ve considered dropping this list.  Is this list 
moderated?

CJ


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 Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
 totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
 rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
 here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
 tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
 have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
 at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
 Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
 bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
 has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
 criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
 yourself should think about that criticism as well?
 On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:
 The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
 that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
 whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
 want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
 a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
 apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
 I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
 my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
 sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
 that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
 This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
 all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
 but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
 grasp?
 
 Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
 violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
 discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
 forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
 says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
 time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
 take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
 says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
 don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
 am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
 quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
 was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
 went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
 isn't true!
 
 If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
 I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
 worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
 it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!
 
 You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
 you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!
 
 Chris.
 
 OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
 sakes!
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To:
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
 11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
 treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
 isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
 means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
 And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
 wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
 comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!
 
 I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
 apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
 though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
 apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
 right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
 If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
 for it!  But be sure to ban me while you're at it, as frankly,
 I have no intrest in joining a group consisting of bed-wetting
 children/whiners!

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread CJ Daniel
You got that right.

CJ


 On Aug 2, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just ignore him. He's generally a dick where a lot of things are
 concerned. Don't take it personally.
 
 On 8/2/2015 1:02 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
 own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Daniel Miller
I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant immaturity? 
Just saying...
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha,
 
 I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another post, 
 the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll all be.  
 Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind your 
 own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just don't 
 appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. Publicly 
 being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so I 
 can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I really 
 am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
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Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread E.T.

   Easier to just block the fella and send directly to trash.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/2/2015 4:34 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:

Ditto!!!

I can’t even say how much I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one.  I hear 
“Christopher Mark”  I just delete.  Again, I’m so glad that it’s not just me.  
In fact, since he’s become so much more active…”Christopher Mark” tags on darn near 
every email header…I’ve considered dropping this list.  Is this list moderated?

CJ



On Aug 2, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Honestly Chris, I do delete most of the crap you send. If it's not
totally unreadable due to a really bad abuse of punctuation, it's just
rude, childish and I've not really seen you be all that helpful. So
here's a thought. Rather than telling the masses of people that are
tired of your attitude to ignore you, why not figure out why so many
have a problem with you? Everything I've seen you post has been rude
at best (I don't even like snarky because that's an understatement).
Now I'm sure you're going to respond cursing and screaming with a
bunch of bad punctuation, which is totally fine, I'm just hoping this
has a possibility of getting through to you. Also, if you're going to
criticise people for responding to get the last word in, it seems you
yourself should think about that criticism as well?
On 8/2/2015 5:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote:

The thing is Chris, you've got a snarky, smart mouth attitude. And
that's what turns people off. It turns them off to you into
whatever it is you're trying to get across in your message. If you
want people to listen to you and take you seriously, then try being
a little more tactful instead of being out and out insulting.

Sent from my IPhone



On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

I frankly know you haven't done anything wrong, and that's why I
apologised. You took the quote, but, part totally out of context.
I said what I said, and had you actually taken the time to read
my message, you'd a known that. Just for the record, I said I was
sorry for coming across so rudely.  I totally agree initially
that I over reacted in how I presented my original question.
This said however, I'm not sorry for the question itself.  That's
all I meant by the but thing.  I'm sorry for how I treated you,
but not for my initial question.  Is that too hard for you to
grasp?

Look, you created a list.  I don't agree with it, I think you're
violating the NDA, I've never once seen where it says you can
discuss it publicly or with other testers outside the community
forums, and each time I challenge any of you to show me where it
says that, you say go read the terms.  I have done so time after
time after time and don't see any reference, and none of you ever
take me up on my challenge, and show me word per word where it
says this is ok.  The point is, you obviously don't like me, you
don't appreciate me, so why do you keep writing me!  If I really
am a troll as you say, then grow up, move on, leave me alone, and
quit getting the last word for Christ sake!  I said initially I
was sorry, but then you had to come back with your remark that I
went against what I said initially, which you damn well know
isn't true!

If you don't want to hear my comments, then block me, as frankly,
I'm tired of the bullshit!  I made one? comment, is it really
worth this much list drama that you guys are producing?  Get over
it!  Move on!  The fat lady sang!

You all keep complaining about me, and saying just ignore me.  If
you wanna be mature, then practice what you preach!

Chris.

OK, now, rant aside, back to Apple! related things for pete
sakes!

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Aleeha Dudley
blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com To:
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015
11:06 AM Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!


You know what? I was being fairly nice to you, given your
treatment of me. But, as someone mentioned earlier, your apology
isn't really one, because you place the word but after it. Which
means you were completely disregarding everything you just said.
And I don't care to be treated like this. I've not done anything
wrong, and you need to shut your mouth.

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 2, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:

Who's really the troll here?  I made one! Literally! One?
comment, and you idiots blew it outta perportion!

I'm sorry that you don't agree with my way of thinking, but I
apologized for my little outburst this morning!  You know what
though, as rude as you all're being in return, I wonder if my
apology should have been made to start with!  Frankly, E T is
right! There isn't a need, as frankly, no longer am! I sorry!
If you all wanna list to break the Apple terms of service, go
for it!  

Re: apple beta discussion group created!

2015-08-02 Thread Devin Prater
I think it has a while to go yet before it hits the anarchy stage. As long as 
there are people here to draw the line, or braille it, the list won't get all 
that bad, in my opinion. Its not as flamish as the BARD list, and they have 
like 2 mods, I think. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:49 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Daniel, well said. I've been meaning to say something about this for about a 
 few weeks now, but I decided to keep my mouth shut because I didn't want to 
 get flamed. But since flaming has become an every day activity here it seems, 
 I don't really care anymore. So here goes. Ever since the current moderator 
 for this list, Cara Quin has decided to become M.I.A., I found that this Mac 
 Visionaries list has gone down hill in terms of integrity. Everything from 
 talking about pirating Apple beta software from basically bashing people and 
 telling them where to go. If Cara decided to read some of these emails, guys, 
 how appalled do you think she'd be? This isn't the Mac Visionaries list she 
 created. This is the kind of BS that I would expect to read and she'd expect 
 to read from the Zone BBS mailing list. And Cara, if you are reading this, 
 I'd suggest you do something about this or hand the reins of moderation to 
 someone else that will do something about it. No disrespect to you but this 
 needs to stop. Moderation is important for a mailing list or it becomes a sea 
 of chaos and anarchy like it is now.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I thought this list was for the discussion of OS X and VoiceOver, not a 
 stomping ground for ridicule and what’s turning into near constant 
 immaturity? Just saying...
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha,
 
 I applaud your efforts.  Every little bit helps.  As stated in another 
 post, the sooner you start ignoring Christopher Mark, the better off we’ll 
 all be.  Sorry he’s such a bother.  By the way, pretty name.
 
 CJ
 
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I really don't appreciate your attitude sir. It is not called for in the 
 least and I really don't need that kind of negativity. You need to mind 
 your own business and let others do what they are going to do. I just 
 don't appreciate that garbage from you. Asking questions is one thing. 
 Publicly being rude and nasty to me is something that I will not tolerate. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Aleeha wrote:
 
 In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas.
 
 And... you are going to verify that the person saying they're running the 
 betas isn't bullshitting you... um... how?
 
 Let's see, I'm running 8.4, but I'll tell you I'm running 9 beta just so 
 I can get on.  Are you gonna call the Apple police to find out if I 
 really am? on 9?
 
 Chris.
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:56 AM
 Subject: Re: apple beta discussion group created!
 
 
 Hi is it ok to share this information with my Tech Zone list?
 
 On 02/08/2015 04:39, Aleeha Dudley wrote:
 Hello,
 I have created a Google group for the discussion of iOS and OS10
 public betas. In order to join this group, you must be running at
 least one of the betas. To join, please send an email to
 apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.
 This group will be moderated by myself and Matt Dierckens.
 Please send us an email with any questions you might have. My email is
 blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com and Matt's is matt.dierck...@me.com.
 Happy beta testing and we will see you on the group!
 
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