Re: Migrating iTunes Library from PC to MacBook Air

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Craig, I copied my library across the network from one machine to another. 
Was quite straightforward.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 19/09/2015, at 10:15 AM, Craig Werner  wrote:
> 
> Greetings to the list.
> 
> Presently,my iTunes library lives on my iPhone 5 and my Windows 7 PC.  I 
> would like to put the library on my new MacBook Air.  I’m under the 
> impression that the Windows Migration Assistant is the best way to transfer 
> the library.  If I use this approach, is the software accessible with a 
> Windows screen reader?  Are there other  methods of which I should be aware?
> 
> Thanks for all help.
> 
> Craig
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Another Cool Thing About iOS 9

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi guys. I don't know if anyone noticed this yet, but in settings you can now 
do a search for the specific setting you want to modify. For example, if you 
wanted to modify something in Voiceover, you could just type in Voiceover in 
the edit field and it'll take you right there if you double tap the search 
result. This beats a lot of time going to general, accessibility, and finding 
Voiceover that way. To find the search edit box, find the settings heading and 
flick right once. Then double tap and you can enter your search result.

Shawn
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Re: Slow speech with voices other than Alex

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Mary. What you could do to fix this is go to settings, general, 
accessibility, Voiceover, speech, and beside the languages you have in your 
rotor there should be a more info button. Double tap that and there should be a 
slider that lets you set speech rate inside that language. Do that for any 
additional languages you have and you should be good to go. HTH.

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded the iPad to iOS 9 and reinstalled the Russian voice. I also 
> installed the mail Siri enhanced voice. Experimenting around, it would seem 
> that both of these voices are speaking much more slowly than they should 
> based on the speech rate that is set invoice over interestingly enough, under 
> iOS 8 and I believe seven as well, the four invoices, such as the Russian 
> one, would speak at a much faster rate than the default would warrant, based 
> on the English speech. It seems like they've over corrected. Now, if I want a 
> decent Russian speech rate, I have to up the speed to more than I would have 
> for English, which is absurd, since I am far from a native speaker of Russian.
> Mary
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Outlook 2016 and word 2016

[Singing Sparrow]

How much does the programs outlook 2016 and word 2016 cost?

On 9/18/2015 10:42 PM, May McDonald wrote:

Hey there.

For those that have tried or use outlook 2016 for the mac I'm coming to pick 
your brain.

I just downloaded outlook 2016 for the mac and it's not too bad, but I do have 
one question. Is there a way to add new sounds to it? I hate the sounds it uses 
for mail.

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outlook 2016 mail sound packs

[May McDonald]

Hey there.

For those that have tried or use outlook 2016 for the mac I'm coming to pick 
your brain.

I just downloaded outlook 2016 for the mac and it's not too bad, but I do have 
one question. Is there a way to add new sounds to it? I hate the sounds it uses 
for mail.

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[E.T.]

   Thanks for this reminder. Louie is now installed and I will be 
checking it out.


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On 9/18/2015 4:08 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get
to work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from
the link listed below.
Jim

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>> wrote:

HI All,

I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac
that will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without
having to install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.

Eileen

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Slow speech with voices other than Alex

[Mary Otten]

I just upgraded the iPad to iOS 9 and reinstalled the Russian voice. I also 
installed the mail Siri enhanced voice. Experimenting around, it would seem 
that both of these voices are speaking much more slowly than they should based 
on the speech rate that is set invoice over interestingly enough, under iOS 8 
and I believe seven as well, the four invoices, such as the Russian one, would 
speak at a much faster rate than the default would warrant, based on the 
English speech. It seems like they've over corrected. Now, if I want a decent 
Russian speech rate, I have to up the speed to more than I would have for 
English, which is absurd, since I am far from a native speaker of Russian.
Mary

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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[E.T.]

   It will not take long to get used to this. Supposedly this change 
came about to make it easier to know when the caps lock is activated.


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On 9/18/2015 6:29 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hi replying to my own message just to say that the split tap worked. I'm kinda 
with others and that I wish it were back to the way it was since it's gonna 
take a lot of getting used to.

Shawn
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On Sep 18, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

Tried holding the shift key and did a split double tap and still doesn't work. 
I would just chalk this up as a bug.

Shawn
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On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  My mistake, thought the upgrade was finished.

  Do a split tap. Hold on the shift key and with another finger do a double tap 
to enable caps lock.

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in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/18/2015 11:25 AM, E.T. wrote:

   Triple tap still enables caps lock in iOS 9 on the iPad. Have not
updated my iPhone 5 yet.

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On 9/18/2015 9:57 AM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:

I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the
screen where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.
It would take a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single
letter, but could not do an entire string in caps.
I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m
using an IPhone 6.
Eileen
*From:* Josh 
*Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: IOS 9 impressions?
What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?

On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:

Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?

I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery

drain seems

higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of

uppercase or

capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other

than

that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?


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iTunes back up questions

[Mary Otten]

I just did a back up of my iPad preparatory to installing iOS 9. When I went to 
get the update, it told me I had purchased items which should be transferred, 
and did I want to continue anyway? So I canceled out and tried to find a way to 
get the purchased items to transfer over. I did a "sink". That didn't do the 
job. I found the purchased items in the table of playlist on the Mac. There are 
a lot of things in there, and they all have checkboxes checked and dimmed. So, 
I am at a loss. Deciding that all this purchased stuff is really already backed 
up in iCloud and my purchased list,, I decided to proceed. However, I really 
would like to know how to back up these items to my Mac 
Before doing this iPad back up, I also did a back up for my iPhone, where I 
have bought a very few things. I did not see any sort of warning about my items 
needing to be transferred, which now makes me wonder about the integrity of 
that back up. It has been a very long time since I used iTunes to back up 
anything. Clearly, I'm missing something.
Mary

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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi replying to my own message just to say that the split tap worked. I'm kinda 
with others and that I wish it were back to the way it was since it's gonna 
take a lot of getting used to.

Shawn
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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Tried holding the shift key and did a split double tap and still doesn't 
> work. I would just chalk this up as a bug.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  My mistake, thought the upgrade was finished.
>> 
>>  Do a split tap. Hold on the shift key and with another finger do a double 
>> tap to enable caps lock.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 9/18/2015 11:25 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>>   Triple tap still enables caps lock in iOS 9 on the iPad. Have not
>>> updated my iPhone 5 yet.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 9/18/2015 9:57 AM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:
 I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the
 screen where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.
 It would take a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single
 letter, but could not do an entire string in caps.
 I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m
 using an IPhone 6.
 Eileen
 *From:* Josh 
 *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 *Subject:* Re: IOS 9 impressions?
 What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
 something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
 for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?
 
 On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
> 
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery
 drain seems
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of
 uppercase or
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other
 than
> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
> 
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Re: Scanning text on the MAC

[Michael Marshall]

Absolutely agreed, fine reader is best on the mac i find.
scanning books with spines on a flatbed is a never ending nightmare.
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 10:31 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> The two popular ones are Prizmo ($50--don't bother with the $100 version) or 
> Abbyy Fine Reader. Both seem to do well, though I haven't compared them side 
> by side. If you have an iOS device, I have to say that I find the KNFB Reader 
> app to be more convenient and just as accurate, especially now that it has a 
> stand mode.
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 19:03, percygarrett  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend scanning software, a scanning app or program for the 
>> MAC Mini? My snail mail and other printed documents are stacking up. Thanks 
>> for all recommendations.
>> Percy Garrett
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11
>> 
>> 
>> when your on the text boxes you can turn off quick nav by pressing left and 
>> right arrow, i think that is not difficult. :)
>>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:34 PM, William Windels  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> this tread has become a mixed tread but I am speaking about the original 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> I thought that the quicknav letters on a webpage only should work when the 
>>> cursor isn’t in a interacted edit-field.
>>> So, I thought that I could combine the quicknav keys on a webpage on one 
>>> side and type anything I want in interacted edit-fields when I am 
>>> interacted with that field.
>>> If this is what it should be, I have found a bug I think.
>>> 
>>> Ok, I can set off the quickness keys on the quicknav section of the 
>>> voiceover program but if it goes automatic, it’s much better ;)
>>> 
>>> thx for your comments,
>>> William
>>> 
 Op 17-sep.-2015, om 19:01 heeft Christina C.  het 
 volgende geschreven:
 
 I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
 voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that 
 says "Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can 
 try unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This 
 feature is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on 
 webpages. I use single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.
 
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Tried holding the shift key and did a split double tap and still doesn't work. 
I would just chalk this up as a bug.

Shawn
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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:56 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   My mistake, thought the upgrade was finished.
> 
>   Do a split tap. Hold on the shift key and with another finger do a double 
> tap to enable caps lock.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 9/18/2015 11:25 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>Triple tap still enables caps lock in iOS 9 on the iPad. Have not
>> updated my iPhone 5 yet.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 9/18/2015 9:57 AM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:
>>> I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the
>>> screen where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.
>>> It would take a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single
>>> letter, but could not do an entire string in caps.
>>> I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m
>>> using an IPhone 6.
>>> Eileen
>>> *From:* Josh 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
>>> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* Re: IOS 9 impressions?
>>> What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
>>> something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
>>> for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?
>>> 
>>> On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> > Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>>> >
>>> > I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery
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>>> > higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
>>> > issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of
>>> uppercase or
>>> > capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other
>>> than
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

the reason I got Louis was to translate brf books from bard.  works well.
Jim

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hmm,  perhaps I should have mentioned that I’m running the Yosemety version 
> of Os ... finally got my password issue settled and updated the Os.  So will 
> that Louis Braille program work on my Mac Book?  I would like to mostly 
> process my own documents, but also use the Web Braille books from NLS from 
> time to time for printing.  Actually, that makes me wonder do I need 
> Translation software for the Web Braille books if I was to use a refreshable 
> display with the Mac Book?
>  
> Thanks for all help.
>  
> Eileen

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Re: Scanning text on the MAC

[Jim Gatteys]

That's funny.  Just mentioned Abbyy Finereader earlier.  It works quite well.
Jim

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:03 PM, percygarrett  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend scanning software, a scanning app or program for the MAC 
> Mini? My snail mail and other printed documents are stacking up. Thanks for 
> all recommendations.
> Percy Garrett
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11
> 
> 
> when your on the text boxes you can turn off quick nav by pressing left and 
> right arrow, i think that is not difficult. :)
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:34 PM, William Windels  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> this tread has become a mixed tread but I am speaking about the original 
>> question.
>> 
>> I thought that the quicknav letters on a webpage only should work when the 
>> cursor isn’t in a interacted edit-field.
>> So, I thought that I could combine the quicknav keys on a webpage on one 
>> side and type anything I want in interacted edit-fields when I am interacted 
>> with that field.
>> If this is what it should be, I have found a bug I think.
>> 
>> Ok, I can set off the quickness keys on the quicknav section of the 
>> voiceover program but if it goes automatic, it’s much better ;)
>> 
>> thx for your comments,
>> William
>> 
>>> Op 17-sep.-2015, om 19:01 heeft Christina C.  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
>>> voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that 
>>> says "Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can 
>>> try unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This 
>>> feature is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on 
>>> webpages. I use single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> Christina
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

> It works on my mac.  Just used it yesterday.  Think that is the version 
> Ihave.  Applevis has the correct or it did because that's where Ifound it but 
> Believe this is the correct version.
Jim

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Does that version even still work? I know there is this new HTML version that 
> no longer works. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
>> Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
>> work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
>> translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
>> link listed below.
>> Jim
>> 
>> http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI All,
>>>  
>>> I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that 
>>> will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to 
>>> install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
>>>  
>>> Eileen
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Re: Scanning text on the MAC

[Alex Hall]

The two popular ones are Prizmo ($50--don't bother with the $100 version) or 
Abbyy Fine Reader. Both seem to do well, though I haven't compared them side by 
side. If you have an iOS device, I have to say that I find the KNFB Reader app 
to be more convenient and just as accurate, especially now that it has a stand 
mode.
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 19:03, percygarrett  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend scanning software, a scanning app or program for the MAC 
> Mini? My snail mail and other printed documents are stacking up. Thanks for 
> all recommendations.
> Percy Garrett
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:48 PM
> Subject: Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11
> 
> 
> when your on the text boxes you can turn off quick nav by pressing left and 
> right arrow, i think that is not difficult. :)
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:34 PM, William Windels  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> this tread has become a mixed tread but I am speaking about the original 
>> question.
>> 
>> I thought that the quicknav letters on a webpage only should work when the 
>> cursor isn’t in a interacted edit-field.
>> So, I thought that I could combine the quicknav keys on a webpage on one 
>> side and type anything I want in interacted edit-fields when I am interacted 
>> with that field.
>> If this is what it should be, I have found a bug I think.
>> 
>> Ok, I can set off the quickness keys on the quicknav section of the 
>> voiceover program but if it goes automatic, it’s much better ;)
>> 
>> thx for your comments,
>> William
>> 
>>> Op 17-sep.-2015, om 19:01 heeft Christina C.  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
>>> voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that 
>>> says "Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can 
>>> try unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This 
>>> feature is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on 
>>> webpages. I use single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> Christina
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hmm,  perhaps I should have mentioned that I’m running the Yosemety version of 
Os ... finally got my password issue settled and updated the Os.  So will that 
Louis Braille program work on my Mac Book?  I would like to mostly process my 
own documents, but also use the Web Braille books from NLS from time to time 
for printing.  Actually, that makes me wonder do I need Translation software 
for the Web Braille books if I was to use a refreshable display with the Mac 
Book?

Thanks for all help.

Eileen

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 7:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Braille Software for Mac??

Does that version even still work? I know there is this new HTML version that 
no longer works. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:


  Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
link listed below. 
  Jim

  http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:

HI All,
 
I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that 
will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to 
install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
 
Eileen

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Scanning text on the MAC

[percygarrett]

Can anyone recommend scanning software, a scanning app or program for the 
MAC Mini? My snail mail and other printed documents are stacking up. Thanks 
for all recommendations.

Percy Garrett

- Original Message - 
From: "Dionipher Presas Herrera" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11


when your on the text boxes you can turn off quick nav by pressing left and 
right arrow, i think that is not difficult. :)
On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:34 PM, William Windels  
wrote:


Hello all,
this tread has become a mixed tread but I am speaking about the original 
question.


I thought that the quicknav letters on a webpage only should work when the 
cursor isn’t in a interacted edit-field.
So, I thought that I could combine the quicknav keys on a webpage on one 
side and type anything I want in interacted edit-fields when I am 
interacted with that field.

If this is what it should be, I have found a bug I think.

Ok, I can set off the quickness keys on the quicknav section of the 
voiceover program but if it goes automatic, it’s much better ;)


thx for your comments,
William

Op 17-sep.-2015, om 19:01 heeft Christina C.  
het volgende geschreven:


I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that 
says "Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can 
try unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This 
feature is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on 
webpages. I use single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.


Good Luck,
Christina

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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Devin Prater]

Does that version even still work? I know there is this new HTML version that 
no longer works. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
> work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
> translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
> link listed below.
> Jim
> 
> http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
>> 
>> HI All,
>>  
>> I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that 
>> will allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to 
>> install windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
>>  
>> Eileen
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Re: Scanning Software for Mac Book??

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi Eileen!
I think it is quite good.  I used Kurzweil for windows for more years than i 
care to remember and this is every bit as good.  Once you get used to the 
layout and progression of steps it works just fine for bills and mail.  That's 
about all I use it for any longer.
Jim

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> 
> Hi Jim,
>  
> How is the accuracy of scans?  I use scanning for my mail/bills and want to 
> be sure about getting an accurate scan.  Thanks.
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: Jim Gatteys
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 6:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Scanning Software for Mac Book??
>  
> Hi!
> I use baby fine reader and like it quite well.
> Jim
> 
> > On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> >  
> > Just wondering what software is best on the Mac (Mac Book) for scanning 
> > text for the purpose of reading mail, copying, etc.?? 
> >  
> > Thanks.
> >  
> > Eileen
> > 
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Re: Braille Software for Mac??

[Jim Gatteys]

Louis for mac works for me.  It is not as intuitive as DBT but I did get to 
work and now that Understand it it is just fine.  I don't do a lot of 
translation but it is nice for the occasional file.  You can get it from the 
link listed below.
Jim

http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/ 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> HI All,
>  
> I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that will 
> allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to install 
> windows and running DBT under windows??  Thanks.
>  
> Eileen
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Re: Scanning Software for Mac Book??

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi Jim, 

How is the accuracy of scans?  I use scanning for my mail/bills and want to be 
sure about getting an accurate scan.  Thanks.

Eileen


From: Jim Gatteys 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 6:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Scanning Software for Mac Book??

Hi!
I use baby fine reader and like it quite well.
Jim

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> Just wondering what software is best on the Mac (Mac Book) for scanning text 
> for the purpose of reading mail, copying, etc.?? 
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Eileen
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Braille Software for Mac??

[Eileen Scrivani]

HI All, 

I’m also wondering if there is any translation software for the Mac that will 
allow for Braille translation/production on the Mac without having to install 
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Re: Scanning Software for Mac Book??

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi!
I use baby fine reader and like it quite well.
Jim

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> 
> Hi All,
>  
> Just wondering what software is best on the Mac (Mac Book) for scanning text 
> for the purpose of reading mail, copying, etc.?? 
>  
> Thanks.
>  
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Scanning Software for Mac Book??

[Eileen Scrivani]

Hi All,

Just wondering what software is best on the Mac (Mac Book) for scanning text 
for the purpose of reading mail, copying, etc.??  

Thanks.

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RE: El Kapitan.

[george b]

Why don't you take this to a chat room???...lol

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On Behalf Of Blee Blat
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 14:38
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Subject: Re: El Kapitan.


> On Sep 18, 2015, at 17:16, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name 
> for an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they 
> called it El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.

Why even have code names at all? You're going to have to give the exact version 
number at some point anyway, so what's wrong with, say 10.11, or 10.12? I'd 
think this would be problematic since a lot of these names are not simple to 
pronounce especially if your first language doesn't happen to be the same as 
the language of the code name? When 10.10 came out I noticed several people who 
use speech exclusively did not know how to spell Yosemite for example. Plus 
it's better for consistency since iOS has no code names at all, just a version 
number.

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Migrating iTunes Library from PC to MacBook Air

[Craig Werner]

Greetings to the list.

Presently,my iTunes library lives on my iPhone 5 and my Windows 7 PC.  I would 
like to put the library on my new MacBook Air.  I’m under the impression that 
the Windows Migration Assistant is the best way to transfer the library.  If I 
use this approach, is the software accessible with a Windows screen reader?  
Are there other  methods of which I should be aware?

Thanks for all help.

Craig

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Re: system integrity protection

[Joe Quinn]

I'll just leave it alone. if it ain't broke, why break it further? :) plus, if 
I can be as productive as I am now why bother messin' with it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:01 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Both of you speak very nicely from the perspective of one who knows what they 
> are doing, and are not afraid of the system.
> 
> I dated a person awhile ago who, any time a window opened on the screen, 
> would panic and click ok or yes to make the box go away. She kept getting 
> viruses, spyware, and other things all the time on her computer. This is 
> another way of perceiving things, and it is more common than you might wish 
> to believe.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 3:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m torn on this.  On one hand I’m glad that companies are taking security 
>> more seriously and are taking steps.  On the other hand, you make a great 
>> point do we need our hands held?  My gut says this could get overbearing and 
>> way to restrictive but then I see posts from people who probably don’t 
>> understand the ramifications asking for step by step directions how to turn 
>> off a feature that may not need disabling.  No harm in asking I just get 
>> concerned if someone doesn’t have a full understanding of the impact of what 
>> they are doing and does it and then infects others.  Maybe the way to go is 
>> the way it’s being done.  Enable the feature, have a means to disable it but 
>> make the means to disable tricky enough that it requires some reading first 
>> where one could be informed of the risks.  I don’t know.  I’m the first to 
>> say don’t tell me what to do with my own hardware but I also see on a daily 
>> basis how much malware traffic is out there and it’s a massive amount.  As 
>> in many things, it sounds like a balancing act.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who gave 
>>> their loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
>>> spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.
>>> 
>>> It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way that I 
>>> don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be blunted 
>>> because you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  But eh, I get 
>>> it.  I can’t print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer Security: every wrong move 
>>> that’ll get me infected and a punch in the mouth” on the default printer of 
>>> newly updated copies of $OS, so I’ll just restrain the user in a 
>>> straightjacket instead.  I’ll even allow them to choose a colour.  Bleh.
>>> 
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Re: system integrity protection

[David Chittenden]

Both of you speak very nicely from the perspective of one who knows what they 
are doing, and are not afraid of the system.

I dated a person awhile ago who, any time a window opened on the screen, would 
panic and click ok or yes to make the box go away. She kept getting viruses, 
spyware, and other things all the time on her computer. This is another way of 
perceiving things, and it is more common than you might wish to believe.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Sep 2015, at 3:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’m torn on this.  On one hand I’m glad that companies are taking security 
> more seriously and are taking steps.  On the other hand, you make a great 
> point do we need our hands held?  My gut says this could get overbearing and 
> way to restrictive but then I see posts from people who probably don’t 
> understand the ramifications asking for step by step directions how to turn 
> off a feature that may not need disabling.  No harm in asking I just get 
> concerned if someone doesn’t have a full understanding of the impact of what 
> they are doing and does it and then infects others.  Maybe the way to go is 
> the way it’s being done.  Enable the feature, have a means to disable it but 
> make the means to disable tricky enough that it requires some reading first 
> where one could be informed of the risks.  I don’t know.  I’m the first to 
> say don’t tell me what to do with my own hardware but I also see on a daily 
> basis how much malware traffic is out there and it’s a massive amount.  As in 
> many things, it sounds like a balancing act.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who gave 
>> their loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
>> spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.
>> 
>> It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way that I 
>> don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be blunted 
>> because you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  But eh, I get 
>> it.  I can’t print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer Security: every wrong move 
>> that’ll get me infected and a punch in the mouth” on the default printer of 
>> newly updated copies of $OS, so I’ll just restrain the user in a 
>> straightjacket instead.  I’ll even allow them to choose a colour.  Bleh.
>> 
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Re: El Kapitan.

[E.T.]

	   El Capitan is a good name, but it could be worse. Its not worth 
wasting mental energy on it.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/18/2015 2:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name for 
an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they called it 
El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 AM, george b  wrote:

Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.

Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: El Kapitan.

Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never heard 
of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names?  I 
preferred the cat family.

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Re: El Kapitan.

[Blee Blat]

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 17:16, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name 
> for an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they 
> called it El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.

Why even have code names at all? You're going to have to give the exact version 
number at some point anyway, so what's wrong with, say 10.11, or 10.12? I'd 
think this would be problematic since a lot of these names are not simple to 
pronounce especially if your first language doesn't happen to be the same as 
the language of the code name? When 10.10 came out I noticed several people who 
use speech exclusively did not know how to spell Yosemite for example. Plus 
it's better for consistency since iOS has no code names at all, just a version 
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Re: system integrity protection

[Mike Arrigo]

I would think so.
Original message:
What if i do not turn it off. After two weeks i find it is reducing my 
OSX experience and this time i want to turn it off. Can i restart and 
go in to recovery mode and turn it off?



Take care



18. sep. 2015 kl. 20:24 skrev Mike Arrigo :


I plan on turning it off, I don't want someone else deciding what I can 
and cannot do with my computers. Of course, each user must decide if 
they want to do this, but for me it will definitely be disabled.

Original message:
I would be careful before turning this off. I believe that dropbox will 
still work, but just in a different integration with the finder. These 
solutions are designed to make the Macintosh more secure by only 
allowing applications with a specific internal flag set to have access 
to the essential parts of the Operating System. Apple knows that 
Dropbox / One Drive / Google Docs are essential functions of the modern 
computer user and will not block them entirely. What they are doing is 
preventing programs from saying for example Hey I'll replace  the open 
dialogs available in all applications with a new one. So, it will be 
that much more difficult for applications to take read and write to 
every file and peripheral on the computer without permission from the kernel.


I underestand the default folder X application that power users use to 
re-route certain files to a different spot in more hampered than dropbox.


Ifyou want details on this security option, there was a very 
interesting talk given at WWDC which I think is available on Youtube on 
the enhanced security of 10.11, and all of my opioons expressed above 
are based on this tak.





Jonathan Cohn



On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



From what I have read, you boot in to recovery, go to utilities and
choose the security application, then you uncheck the system integrity 
protection check box.

Original message:

Hi,



Can you give steps on how to disable this feature in recovery in general terms?



Thanks.



Eileen



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting 
more restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext 
signing which only allows you to install kernel extentions that are 
signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, they are introducing what is called 
system integrity protection. In a nutshell, what this does is prevent 
any program from accessing or binding to running processes such as the 
finder or dock. One program that apparently is affected by this is 
dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. Basically, it 
requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those that are 
installed from outside the app store. Even if a program requests 
elevated permissions where you have to type in your password, that will 
no longer matter, the program will no longer have this access. 
Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the recovery, and 
that will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.



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Re: El Kapitan.

[Shawn Krasniuk]

I've got a question for you guys. If you think El Capitan is a stupid name for 
an OS, what would you rather have Apple call it? The only reason they called it 
El Capitan is to make additions to Yosemite.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:32 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
> feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.
> 
> Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: El Kapitan.
> 
> Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
> heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names? 
>  I preferred the cat family.
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Re: How To Downgrade iOS 9.1 Public Beta to to Current iOS 9.0 Release Without Losing Any Data

[gs]

Does downgrading from 9.1 to 9.0 affect the availability of betas for 
installation? I wouldn't think it should but I still want access to the betas 
if I want to try the next one. I'm really tired of 9.1 and would like to use 
something more stable for a while.


On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I am delighted to inform you that I just successfully downgraded two iPhones
(a 5 S and a Six Plus) from iOS beta 9.1 back to the currently released iOS
9.0 via iTunes without losing any data or without having to first restore
the phones back to their factory defaults.  It appears as though Apple has
built a new function into the latest version of iTunes that makes this
process simple and painless.  

What a wonderful surprise and convenience for those of us who want to beta
test Apple software while having access to the latest release which, in many
cases, is one version prior to the current beta without having to reset
everything.

The following article, from 9 to 5 Mac, gives the general steps in order to
downgrade, however, the article was written before Apple added this new
functionality into iTunes.  There for, I have modified step 5, reflecting
the new available option.

Just so you know, you must use the latest version of iTunes, which, as of
this post, is v12.3, on a computer in order to perform a non-destructive
downgrade to an earlier, non-beta version of iOS.

Remember, this is for those of us who were running iOS beta 9.1 who want to
downgrade our devices to the currently released and more stable version of
iOS 9.0 without first having to erase the phone.

The link to the original article is located at the end of the text.

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

How To Downgrade iOS 9.1 Public Beta to to Current iOS 9.0 Release Without
Losing Any Data

iOS 9 marked the first major version of the iPhone and iPad software that
Apple opened up for public beta testing after a similar trial run with iOS
8.3 last year. As many users have noticed, Apple's public beta program is
continuing with the upcoming iOS 9.1 release available as an OTA
(over-the-air) update for non-developer testers, but many users will surely
want to hop off the beta train and onto the stable release cycle with
today's iOS 9.0 release.

Several readers have already asked about downgrading from the iOS 9.1 public
beta to today's iOS 9.0 release, and while it's possible it does come at a
cost: potentially losing some important data. If moving from iOS 9.1 public
or even dev beta to today's official iOS 9.0 release is worth it for you,
read on for a detailed guide for doing just that. 

Step 1.
Ensure iCloud Is Backing Up and Syncing

While there doesn't seem to be an official path from iOS 9.1 public beta to
today's iOS 9.0 release that keeps all of your data intact, iCloud is mostly
version-agnostic in that it usually syncs and backs up important data like
contacts and notes for use on older versions of iOS. Using the iOS device
that you plan to downgrade, go to the Settings app then iCloud pane to
ensure important information like Contacts, Reminders, and Notes are all
toggled on if you plan on keeping this information.

 Likely due to privacy concerns, Apple has not enabled syncing data from
the Health and Activity apps through iCloud so expect to lose this
information if downgrading. Backing up to iCloud does preserve Health and
Activity, but you won't be able to restore to iOS 9.0 using your iOS 9.1
backup unfortunately. Still, I recommend creating a full iCloud backup just
in case you have second thoughts after moving down to iOS 9.0 and want to
recover your data with iOS 9.1. While connected to power and on a Wi-Fi
Internet connection, go to Settings > iCloud > Backup and ensure iCloud
Backup is toggled on. Then tap Back Up Now to begin a full backup to iCloud.

Step 2.
Disable Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch

While you're in Settings > iCloud, you'll want to disable Activation Lock in
iOS 9.1 to save some time when restoring to iOS 9.0. Do this by going to
Settings > iCloud > Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch (depending on which
device you're using) and toggling off Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch which
should prompt you for your Apple ID and password used for iCloud.

Note: this may differ from your App Store password if you use a separate
account for iCloud and purchases.

Step 3.
Backup Purchases and Data to iTunes

Now that we have a few safety nets in place, it's time to connect your iOS
device to iTunes on your Mac or PC using your charging cable and put up a
few more before downgrading from iOS 9.1 to iOS 9.0. After plugging in your
iOS device, you may have to give your computer and device permission to
"trust" each other, then click the icon in the top left corner of iTunes for
managing your device.

>From here you can create a local backup to iTunes and transfer any purchases
not already saved to your computer. Even if your device is set to backup to
iCloud, you can still choose to do a manual backup her

Re: annoying quicknav problem in osx 10.10 and 10.11

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

when your on the text boxes you can turn off quick nav by pressing left and 
right arrow, i think that is not difficult. :)
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 10:34 PM, William Windels  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> this tread has become a mixed tread but I am speaking about the original 
> question.
> 
> I thought that the quicknav letters on a webpage only should work when the 
> cursor isn’t in a interacted edit-field.
> So, I thought that I could combine the quicknav keys on a webpage on one side 
> and type anything I want in interacted edit-fields when I am interacted with 
> that field.
> If this is what it should be, I have found a bug I think.
> 
> Ok, I can set off the quickness keys on the quicknav section of the voiceover 
> program but if it goes automatic, it’s much better ;)
> 
> thx for your comments,
> William 
> 
>> Op 17-sep.-2015, om 19:01 heeft Christina C.  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> I also cannot type in text fields when quick nav is on. I believe in the 
>> voiceOver Utility under commanders/quick nav, there is a check box that says 
>> "Enable single-key webpage navigation when using Quick Nav.” You can try 
>> unchecking this if you do not like to use single key navigation. This 
>> feature is probably what does not allow you to type in text fields on 
>> webpages. I use single key navigation a ton so I leave this option on.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> Christina
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[E.T.]

   My mistake, thought the upgrade was finished.

   Do a split tap. Hold on the shift key and with another finger do a 
double tap to enable caps lock.


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On 9/18/2015 11:25 AM, E.T. wrote:

Triple tap still enables caps lock in iOS 9 on the iPad. Have not
updated my iPhone 5 yet.

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On 9/18/2015 9:57 AM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:

I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the
screen where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.
It would take a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single
letter, but could not do an entire string in caps.
I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m
using an IPhone 6.
Eileen
*From:* Josh 
*Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: IOS 9 impressions?
What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?

On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
 > Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
 >
 > I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery
drain seems
 > higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
 > issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of
uppercase or
 > capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other
than
 > that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
 >
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Re: system integrity protection

[Terje Strømberg]

What if i do not turn it off. After two weeks i find it is reducing my OSX 
experience and this time i want to turn it off. Can i restart and go in to 
recovery mode and turn it off?

Take care

18. sep. 2015 kl. 20:24 skrev Mike Arrigo :

I plan on turning it off, I don't want someone else deciding what I can and 
cannot do with my computers. Of course, each user must decide if they want to 
do this, but for me it will definitely be disabled.
Original message:
> I would be careful before turning this off. I believe that dropbox will still 
> work, but just in a different integration with the finder. These solutions 
> are designed to make the Macintosh more secure by only allowing applications 
> with a specific internal flag set to have access to the essential parts of 
> the Operating System. Apple knows that Dropbox / One Drive / Google Docs are 
> essential functions of the modern computer user and will not block them 
> entirely. What they are doing is preventing programs from saying for example 
> Hey I'll replace  the open dialogs available in all applications with a new 
> one. So, it will be that much more difficult for applications to take read 
> and write to every file and peripheral on the computer without permission 
> from the kernel.

> I underestand the default folder X application that power users use to 
> re-route certain files to a different spot in more hampered than dropbox.

> Ifyou want details on this security option, there was a very interesting talk 
> given at WWDC which I think is available on Youtube on the enhanced security 
> of 10.11, and all of my opioons expressed above are based on this tak.



> Jonathan Cohn

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

>>> From what I have read, you boot in to recovery, go to utilities and
>> choose the security application, then you uncheck the system integrity 
>> protection check box.
>> Original message:
>>> Hi,

>>> Can you give steps on how to disable this feature in recovery in general 
>>> terms?

>>> Thanks.

>>> Eileen

>>> Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

 Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
 version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting more 
 restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext signing which 
 only allows you to install kernel extentions that are signed by Apple. 
 Now, in 10.11, they are introducing what is called system integrity 
 protection. In a nutshell, what this does is prevent any program from 
 accessing or binding to running processes such as the finder or dock. One 
 program that apparently is affected by this is dropbox, the finder 
 integration will no longer work. Basically, it requires all applications 
 to be sandboxed, even those that are installed from outside the app store. 
 Even if a program requests elevated permissions where you have to type in 
 your password, that will no longer matter, the program will no longer have 
 this access. Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the 
 recovery, and that will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Bill Gallik]

This thread regarding ACV’s begs the question; when will the “Star Trek” 
transporters be available?  Just think, sitting in a cafe in New York City 
discussing the Yankees prospects and in the blink of an eye being transported 
to the ticket line in California in time to take in an afternoon game against 
the Angels!

The question is then, would the “reconstructed you” really be you or only a 
clone?

Personally, I find the prospect of a safely self-driving vehicle quite inviting!

- Bill & Leader Dog Holland

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Terje Strømberg]

 Ha ha ha ha ha ….. antivirus.

Take care

18. sep. 2015 kl. 19:58 skrev Michael :

I hear this a lot from people in regards to the autonomous car reality and 
"what if the computer crashed". Well, what if the driver you just passed 
crashed? It's a risk a person takes when he gets on the road, and from 
observations and research, computers crash less than humans do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could 
> go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping 
> and fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd 
> not have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing 
> the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
> much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely 
> occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I 
> kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house 
> and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my 
> favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up 
> with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does 
> think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like 
> this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that 
> can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, 
> as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this 
> on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well 
> established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these 
> thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>

Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[E.T.]

   Triple tap still enables caps lock in iOS 9 on the iPad. Have not 
updated my iPhone 5 yet.


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On 9/18/2015 9:57 AM, Eileen Scrivani wrote:

I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the
screen where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.
It would take a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single
letter, but could not do an entire string in caps.
I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m
using an IPhone 6.
Eileen
*From:* Josh 
*Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: IOS 9 impressions?
What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?

On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
 > Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
 >
 > I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery
drain seems
 > higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
 > issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or
 > capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than
 > that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
 >
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Re: system integrity protection

[Mike Arrigo]

I plan on turning it off, I don't want someone else deciding what I can 
and cannot do with my computers. Of course, each user must decide if 
they want to do this, but for me it will definitely be disabled.

Original message:
I would be careful before turning this off. I believe that dropbox will 
still work, but just in a different integration with the finder. These 
solutions are designed to make the Macintosh more secure by only 
allowing applications with a specific internal flag set to have access 
to the essential parts of the Operating System. Apple knows that 
Dropbox / One Drive / Google Docs are essential functions of the modern 
computer user and will not block them entirely. What they are doing is 
preventing programs from saying for example Hey I'll replace  the open 
dialogs available in all applications with a new one. So, it will be 
that much more difficult for applications to take read and write to 
every file and peripheral on the computer without permission from the kernel.


I underestand the default folder X application that power users use to 
re-route certain files to a different spot in more hampered than dropbox.


Ifyou want details on this security option, there was a very 
interesting talk given at WWDC which I think is available on Youtube on 
the enhanced security of 10.11, and all of my opioons expressed above 
are based on this tak.





Jonathan Cohn



On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



From what I have read, you boot in to recovery, go to utilities and
choose the security application, then you uncheck the system integrity 
protection check box.

Original message:

Hi,



Can you give steps on how to disable this feature in recovery in general terms?



Thanks.



Eileen



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting 
more restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext 
signing which only allows you to install kernel extentions that are 
signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, they are introducing what is called 
system integrity protection. In a nutshell, what this does is prevent 
any program from accessing or binding to running processes such as the 
finder or dock. One program that apparently is affected by this is 
dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. Basically, it 
requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those that are 
installed from outside the app store. Even if a program requests 
elevated permissions where you have to type in your password, that will 
no longer matter, the program will no longer have this access. 
Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the recovery, and 
that will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.



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Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or iPhone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Alan,

Well, it took me a while, but I finally had time to test this out.  You were 
right.  Siri is a very easy way to do this.  However, it is different from 
using the procedure George described.  Siri just shuffles the songs, whereas if 
you do it the other way, one album is played then another then another.  Nice 
to have both options.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 14, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> I understand but give Siri a try. The iPhone seems to have multiple ways to
> accomplish the same task and you might be surprised at how handy Siri can be
> to play music provided it works like you want it to.
> 
> Let us know your results and good luck.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
> iPhone?
> 
> Hey Alan,
> 
> You know, I very rarely use Siri to play music.  Not sure why, just habit, I
> suppose.  I'll give this a try and see what happens.  It's so frustrating
> having gotten it to work once. 
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna, 
>> 
>> So have you tried asking Siri to play Eric clapton to see what happens?
> I'm still using ios 8.3 so my music app has not been affected by the changes
> they brought in to support apple music. I'd be curious how Siri would handle
> a request to play tracks by artist when both owned and streamed music are
> available on the same device. 
>> 
>> Alan Lemly 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> 
>>> thanks for responding.  I don't have any problems with playlists, the
> playlist tab at the bottom is very easy to find.  What I would like to do is
> be able to pick a specific artist, say Erik Clapton, and play all the songs
> that I have by him in my library.  You used to be able to do this, Music
> would play one album and then just go on to the next one.  the weird thing
> is, that once, I actually did see the all Song button, and was able to
> select it, but I haven't seen that button since that one time.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 I sync my desired playlists to my iPhone 6 so that my iPhone actually
 contains the music I enjoy listening to as opposed to using Apple Music
> or
 another streaming service. The way I would listen to a particular artist
> on
 my iPhone would be to call up Siri and say something like "Play Bruno
> Mars
 shuffled or not shuffled." I'm not sure of the actual words to request
> the
 playing not to be shuffled but give Siri a try and see if she meets your
 needs.
 
 Alan Lemly
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 1:11 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Anyone know how to play all songs by an artist on an iPod or
 iPhone?
 
 Hi all,
 
 so if you have multiple albums by a given artist, how do you get your
 i-device to play all songs from all albums?  I've looked in the Apple
 Support forums, and saw something that said you did it by tapping on the
 artist photo.  I've tried tapping the artist's name, but that did not do
> it.
 Does anyone know how to do this?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Well, there are limits, even if it's something you want.  As I told a colleague 
this morning, I'm afraid I'll have to sell the first-born son I never had. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Michael  wrote:
> 
> The question isn't can any of us afford it but how will those who want it 
> afford it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>>> 
>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Mine went automatically to my home screen.
On 18 Sep 2015, at 01:45, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:

Hi all,
To access iCloud drive on your home screen, do the following.
Open settings
Open ICloud
There’s a button that says “Add ICloud drive to home screen.” make sure this is 
turned on.
Good luck.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> No.  It absolutely is not showing on my device at all.  I looked on all 
> pages/all folders, and before anyone asks, no.  I'm not on the beta with this 
> device.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Barry Abbott" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Where is ICloud Drive on I O S 9?
> 
> 
>> Check each of your pages. Mine landed on page 2 and I then moved it into my 
>> Cloud Drives folder.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Barry
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People say that ICloud drive is now on the home screen of I O S.  Where 
>>> though?
>>> 
>>> I definitely don't see it.
>>> 
>>> Could it be that I've rearranged my icons into folders back in the I O S 8 
>>> days, so maybe therefore it isn't showing out on my main screen, but 
>>> instead is berried within a folder, like Utilities, etc?
>>> 
>>> Chris.
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

The question isn't can any of us afford it but how will those who want it 
afford it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
>> 
>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
>> MySpace.com/musikonalda
>> Facebook.com/lpnalda
>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
  
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

I hear this a lot from people in regards to the autonomous car reality and 
"what if the computer crashed". Well, what if the driver you just passed 
crashed? It's a risk a person takes when he gets on the road, and from 
observations and research, computers crash less than humans do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could 
> go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping 
> and fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd 
> not have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing 
> the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:
> 
> This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
> much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely 
> occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I 
> kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house 
> and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my 
> favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up 
> with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does 
> think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like 
> this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that 
> can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, 
> as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this 
> on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well 
> established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these 
> thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www

Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Michael]

Give it enough time and there will be some sort of 3-D virtual reality that 
will make it feel like the wind is blowing in your face at different levels at 
different speeds… Want to put it past him… I think this is an awesome thing!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice 
> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
> Donna
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
>> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
>> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window 
>> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked 
>> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was 
>> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people 
>> couldn’t tell the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably 
>> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  
>> Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car 
>> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows 
>> and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more 
>> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be 
>> safer.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>>> a minute!
>>> 
>>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
 There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are 
 rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 
 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for 
 a minute.  What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of 
 autonomous driving features.
 You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
 blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I 
 believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t 
 been able to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year 
 ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car 
 to get to and from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in 
 front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a 
 key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up 
 and picked him up.
 
 Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
 actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
 
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

then the question will be can any of us afford it. :)
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 
> 
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> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
>> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
>> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
>> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
>> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>>   You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
>> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him 
>> up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I'd love a car which I could use myself.  Probably cost a fortune.  I could go 
to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping and 
fasten my guide dog in the back.  She's have a whale of a time as she'd not 
have too much work to do.  The only scary thing would be that supposing the 
computer in the car went wrong and it crashed?
On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas  wrote:

This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely occupied 
more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I kind of just 
chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house and usually 
when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my favorite music. 
Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up with important 
email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does think a few 
questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like this be 
especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that can come to 
my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, as I'm barely 
starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this on various places 
and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well established, I might 
consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these thoughts don't sound too 
general or two simple. Blessings to all of you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that 
> looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the 
> same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to 
> guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell 
> the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably sited users 
> won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference 
> is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car would be much 
> safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing 
> areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and 
> structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>> a minute!
>> 
>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
  
 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hmm.  I'm not so sure.  For that matter, not sure I would like it much.  
Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice would 
you want to give up driving around with the windows down.  I wouldn't.
Donna
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that 
> looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the 
> same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to 
> guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell 
> the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably sited users 
> won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference 
> is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car would be much 
> safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing 
> areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and 
> structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>> a minute!
>> 
>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
  
 
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Using LOGITECH Headset for Face Time

[Bill Gallik]

I’m using a LogiTech USB headset on my Mac mini; this headset has a mike boom.  
When I attempt to make a Face Time phone call the person to  whom I’m talking 
comes through the internal speaker, how do I direct Face Time to direct 
conversation exclusively through the headset - input and output alike?


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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Eileen Scrivani]

I had this exact problem the other day after updating.  It was on the screen 
where you need to re-enter the passcode after updates are done.  It would take 
a one finger double tap to put uppercase on a single letter, but could not do 
an entire string in caps.

I confess I haven’t had a reason to type and use the caps lock.  I’m using an 
IPhone 6.

Eileen


From: Josh 
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?

What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?

On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than
> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Josh]

What is the new way to lock upper case when typing out a text or
something? When I do the triple tap on the shift key it does not lock
for me. Is anyone else experiencing this?

On 9/17/15, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>
> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems
> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery
> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or
> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than
> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>
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Re: system integrity protection

[Pete Nalda]

Are there really holes in I OS 9?  I just don't understand what all the hoopla 
is about.

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:25 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who gave 
> their loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
> spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.
> 
> It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way that I 
> don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be blunted because 
> you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  But eh, I get it.  I 
> can’t print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer Security: every wrong move that’ll 
> get me infected and a punch in the mouth” on the default printer of newly 
> updated copies of $OS, so I’ll just restrain the user in a straightjacket 
> instead.  I’ll even allow them to choose a colour.  Bleh.
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Re: system integrity protection

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yeah, that’s perfectly reasonable.  Of course I want people to benefit from a 
feature if it can; like I said, I probably won’t have cause to turn it off 
myself, even.  And yes the process for doing so, while it could theoretically 
be socially engineered, is probably safe against accidents, given that you need 
to take an explicit step and are prompted for confirmation.  In fact one dev 
was saying that it was easier to use recovery than a command-line equivalent, 
though that’s probably a bit of an exaggeration.  I often wish you could do 
that on iOS too; now that really is a prison without an exit, but if it only 
had an “Are you sure, you’re on your own here, no warranty, don’t say you 
weren’t warned” prompt, I’m sure most people would get that they were crossing 
the sacred threshold, leaving room for innovators to do their thing and, 
assuming no clear security holes, proceed safely if they knew what and what not 
to do, much as on Mac today.

But what I worry about most—and continue to worry about, despite my love of 
Apple products—is Apple’s apparent need to drive this trend.  How can they not 
have ulterior motives?  Steve Jobs always said of the iOS restrictions that 
“Our intentions are pure”. He’s convinced devs as much.  And honestly, it’s 
clear that mobile is the future and that there are real security concerns.  But 
sandboxing, alternative whitelists, granular permissions, user accounts and 
even, now, virtualisation all exist as byproducts of the mobile future, and 
don’t need a one true gatekeeper.  It’s hard to believe Apple isn’t on this 
path for the wrong reasons.  The kindest thing to suggest is that they simply 
don’t trust their own Mac-using userbase, and prefer a strategy of restriction 
over education.

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Denise Barajas]

This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very 
much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely occupied 
more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I kind of just 
chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house and usually 
when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my favorite music. 
Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up with important 
email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does think a few 
questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like this be 
especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that can come to 
my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, as I'm barely 
starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this on various places 
and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well established, I might 
consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these thoughts don't sound too 
general or two simple. Blessings to all of you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the 
> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now 
> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical 
> spectrum.  Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next 
> to Dolby labs and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that 
> looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the 
> same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to 
> guess which one was real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell 
> the difference.  So if they have technology like that probably sited users 
> won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference 
> is you can’t roll it down.  That being said though the car would be much 
> safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing 
> areas.  You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and 
> structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for 
>> a minute!
>> 
>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  
>>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors 
>>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like 
>>> some models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  
>>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving 
>>> features.
>>>  You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able 
>>> to come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked 
>>> him up.
>>> 
>>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
 you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
 http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
  
 
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Re: system integrity protection

[Scott Granados]

I’m torn on this.  On one hand I’m glad that companies are taking security more 
seriously and are taking steps.  On the other hand, you make a great point do 
we need our hands held?  My gut says this could get overbearing and way to 
restrictive but then I see posts from people who probably don’t understand the 
ramifications asking for step by step directions how to turn off a feature that 
may not need disabling.  No harm in asking I just get concerned if someone 
doesn’t have a full understanding of the impact of what they are doing and does 
it and then infects others.  Maybe the way to go is the way it’s being done.  
Enable the feature, have a means to disable it but make the means to disable 
tricky enough that it requires some reading first where one could be informed 
of the risks.  I don’t know.  I’m the first to say don’t tell me what to do 
with my own hardware but I also see on a daily basis how much malware traffic 
is out there and it’s a massive amount.  As in many things, it sounds like a 
balancing act.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who gave 
> their loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
> spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.
> 
> It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way that I 
> don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be blunted because 
> you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  But eh, I get it.  I 
> can’t print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer Security: every wrong move that’ll 
> get me infected and a punch in the mouth” on the default printer of newly 
> updated copies of $OS, so I’ll just restrain the user in a straightjacket 
> instead.  I’ll even allow them to choose a colour.  Bleh.
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Re: system integrity protection

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Who’s happy?  Everyone, I guess, except nerds—not even the nerds who gave their 
loved ones iPads because they’re invulnerable to all the 
spyware/ransomeware/whatever that spawns all the time on Windows boxen.

It’s a trend.  I don’t think it’s a good trend, in much the same way that I 
don’t think it would be a good trend for kitchen knives to be blunted because 
you can do accidental or deliberate harm with them.  But eh, I get it.  I can’t 
print “An Idiot’s Guide To Computer Security: every wrong move that’ll get me 
infected and a punch in the mouth” on the default printer of newly updated 
copies of $OS, so I’ll just restrain the user in a straightjacket instead.  
I’ll even allow them to choose a colour.  Bleh.

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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Pete Nalda]

With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from 
Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. 

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> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from 
> work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery 
> store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would 
> summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
>> haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Oh I think sited users will do just fine.  There are screens where the windows 
would be so they will still be able to see outside.  It’s just now they will 
have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical spectrum.  
Depends on how good the screens are I guess.  I used to work next to Dolby labs 
and got a tour once.  They had a demonstration of a window that looked outside 
and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the same shape / size 
as the real window and the demonstration was you had to guess which one was 
real and which was a screen.  Most people couldn’t tell the difference.  So if 
they have technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass 
screen instead of a glass window.  Only difference is you can’t roll it down.  
That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have all 
the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas.  You can use solid metal panels 
and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out the window so 
crashes should be safer.



> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack 
> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a 
> minute!
> 
> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
>> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
>> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
>> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
>> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>>   You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
>> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and 
>> from work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the 
>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that 
>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him 
>> up.
>> 
>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
>> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if 
>>> you haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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Re: Viewing all pages of a PDF at once?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

I don’t think it’s available for mail attachments if the only menu that shows 
up is the Mail menu.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 18 Sep 2015, at 15:03, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I haven't--I never realized it was there. Do you know if there's a way to use 
> that in mail attachment previews? As far as I know, the menus there are still 
> for Mail, not Preview, so I'm not sure how that would work.
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 02:16, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alex,
>> 
>> Have you tried selecting Continuous reading in the View menu? I think the 
>> short cut is Cmd-1.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 05:32, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> When I look at a PDF, I see one page at a time and have to go to subsequent 
>>> pages with the "page X" buttons to the right of the text. Is there a way to 
>>> just have all pages shown at once, instead of constantly going to the next 
>>> one manually? I'm talking about previewing attachments in Mail, or using 
>>> Preview itself. Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack of 
windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a 
minute!

It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices!
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but 
> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some 
> models) and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it 
> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
>You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already had 
> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
> come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t 
> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from 
> work and to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery 
> store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would 
> summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.
> 
> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they 
> actually are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
>> haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?

[Scott Granados]

Chris, would you send me another invite to your list please?  I lost the email 
do to a fat finger error.:)

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh, I didn't want it to come across as I was wishing to join because of 
> anything Marc did or didn't do.  If it did come across that way, then my 
> apology.  I was just wanting to subscribe so that I'd have another Apple 
> resource under my toolbelt.  You know what I mean?
>  
> I do have Joseph's e-mail address, so I'll write him privately; that's 
> certainly not a problem at all.
>  
> Chris.
> - Original Message - 
>> From: Shawn Krasniuk 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>> 
>> To join Peel The Apple, send a blank email to 
>> peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
>> . As for Blind Apples, 
>> you're on the iPhone list right? If so, do you know a guy named Joseph 
>> Hudson? Email him and he'll get you subscribed to his list. And Mac For The 
>> Blind is a FreeList mailing list so doing a google search should give you 
>> the subscribe link for their mailing list. In my opinion though, Mark has 
>> made everything right in the world now so we can stay put if we want right?
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you please give me the irk for these lists?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I'm gonna wait until Cara and Mark make their final judgements. I posted 
 my opinions in another thread so I won't post them again, but I will say 
 that if this list develops the strict rule that we can only talk about the 
 Mac, then sorry to say, I'll be doing the same as others have and or will 
 do and take my talents elsewhere. I'm subscribed to three other lists that 
 let people talk about Mac and iPhone in one list, one list, Peel The 
 Apple, has an off topic weekend where people can talk about anything, 
 Windows, Android, even Jaws. The other two are Joseph Hudson's Blind 
 Apples list and John P's Mac For The Blind list. So as you can see I have 
 a lot of resources at my disposal. One more thing, the sad day will be 
 when I do unsubscribe because I share Kawal's sentiments in that I've met 
 a ton of awesome people and I even have some of you on Skype and social 
 media. So it will be sad if I do unsubscribe because these past 5 years 
 with you guys were awesome and to those of you that don't have me on Skype 
 or social media, I'll miss you a lot.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with you Scott.  This is not the sentiment of the list that I 
> joined 10 years ago.  I will sign off of this one.  Can be more useful 
> elsewhere.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:15, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
> 
> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, 
> pad still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and 
> then stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We 
> know the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly 
> moderated.  As several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the 
> entire Apple product line and also presented was this list predates any 
> others and as such previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple 
> not just Mac.  I will of course comply by leaving the list as I have no 
> interest in subscribing to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was 
> satisfying.  Mark, your users don’t want this so why enforce something 
> that doesn’t make sense and doesn’t meet the needs

Re: No Apple Watch update.

[Scott Granados]

Well, let’s be realistic, Code Factory is a tiny company of what 6 or 10 
people?  I understand tight resources there more than Apple who has hundreds of 
thousands of employees, the most cash on hand of any company in history and no 
excuses in my mind for cutting corners.  Steve wouldn’t have let some of this 
software out the door.  Remember the  maps snafu?  What about the buggy IOS 8 
that was so bad I went out and bought a Samsung phone instead of an iPhone on 
opening day.  Although on that note, 9 is far far better bugs wise on day 1 
than 8 was.  What about that software release that lasted all of 2 hours when 
they bricked everyone’s phone who installed and made them not able to connect 
to a network.  Tim Cook needs to get a handle on QA.  I think he’s making 
ground but the #1 company in the world in terms of valuation aught to be able 
to do better in my mind.



> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Well at least they are not like Code Factory, what was it, come what may, 
> even though i found bugs they released the software didn't they.  If you 
> remember those who were on the Mobile Speak list I made a song and dance and 
> they didn't like it so in my opinion, Apple are doing well to fix whatever it 
> is.  Very commendable but it depends on how you look at it.  One day when I 
> have time I'll invest in becoming an IOS tester.  May be when I retire 
> because just at the present time I can't fit enough stuff I want to do in a 
> 24 7 day.
> 
> I asked the representative what about the newer models of watches as they had 
> the new software update but I couldn't follow what was said.
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:03, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It does seem like a bug that major would have been discovered earlier.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> They announced this on the business news yesterday.  Wonder what kind of bug 
>> it was that was only found on release day.  Stuff like this and other recent 
>> events makes me wonder about QA under Tim Cook.
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks for passing that along, Kawal.  I was wondering what was up.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 I was looking to see if there was a new watch software update and reset my 
 watch and everything.  When I found none, I called Apple Technical Support 
 and they told me that the new update will come some time before the end of 
 the year as there is a serious bug in the new apple update.
 
 Kawal.
 
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Re: system integrity protection

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I would be careful before turning this off. I believe that dropbox will still 
work, but just in a different integration with the finder. These solutions are 
designed to make the Macintosh more secure by only allowing applications with a 
specific internal flag set to have access to the essential parts of the 
Operating System. Apple knows that Dropbox / One Drive / Google Docs are 
essential functions of the modern computer user and will not block them 
entirely. What they are doing is preventing programs from saying for example 
Hey I'll replace  the open dialogs available in all applications with a new 
one. So, it will be that much more difficult for applications to take read and 
write to every file and peripheral on the computer without permission from the 
kernel.

I underestand the default folder X application that power users use to re-route 
certain files to a different spot in more hampered than dropbox.

Ifyou want details on this security option, there was a very interesting talk 
given at WWDC which I think is available on Youtube on the enhanced security of 
10.11, and all of my opioons expressed above are based on this tak.



Jonathan Cohn 

On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

>> From what I have read, you boot in to recovery, go to utilities and
> choose the security application, then you uncheck the system integrity 
> protection check box.
> Original message:
>> Hi,
> 
>> Can you give steps on how to disable this feature in recovery in general 
>> terms?
> 
>> Thanks.
> 
>> Eileen
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
>>> version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting more 
>>> restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext signing which 
>>> only allows you to install kernel extentions that are signed by Apple. Now, 
>>> in 10.11, they are introducing what is called system integrity protection. 
>>> In a nutshell, what this does is prevent any program from accessing or 
>>> binding to running processes such as the finder or dock. One program that 
>>> apparently is affected by this is dropbox, the finder integration will no 
>>> longer work. Basically, it requires all applications to be sandboxed, even 
>>> those that are installed from outside the app store. Even if a program 
>>> requests elevated permissions where you have to type in your password, that 
>>> will no longer matter, the program will no longer have this access. 
>>> Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the recovery, and 
>>> that will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.
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RE: El Kapitan.

[george b]

Hay type it in google and get all the history it is a granit peak about 3000 
feet tall in yousemette national park in northern California.

Apple changed the name of o s x from animals after mt. lion, to land marks

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On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:42
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: El Kapitan.

Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never heard 
of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names?  I 
preferred the cat family.

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Re: system integrity protection

[Mike Arrigo]

From what I have read, you boot in to recovery, go to utilities and 
choose the security application, then you uncheck the system integrity 
protection check box.

Original message:

Hi,



Can you give steps on how to disable this feature in recovery in general terms?



Thanks.



Eileen



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting 
more restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext 
signing which only allows you to install kernel extentions that are 
signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, they are introducing what is called 
system integrity protection. In a nutshell, what this does is prevent 
any program from accessing or binding to running processes such as the 
finder or dock. One program that apparently is affected by this is 
dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. Basically, it 
requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those that are 
installed from outside the app store. Even if a program requests 
elevated permissions where you have to type in your password, that will 
no longer matter, the program will no longer have this access. 
Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this from the recovery, and 
that will be one of the first things I do once I upgrade.



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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Stacey Robinson]

I don’t really see anything too different but at least I’m up to date.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:39 AM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
> wrote:
> 
> Stacey, great glad it worked for you.
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:25 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
> 
> Junior, I got updated and upgraded.
> Now I just have to learn the new stuff in ios9.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stacey, you are welcome.
>> 
>> 
>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
>> take a chance or your life will never change."
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 1:15 PM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
>> 
>> Thanks Junior,
>> That is what I needed to know.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stacey, I upgraded my iPhone 5 to  IOS 9.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice 
>>> to take a chance or your life will never change."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:46 PM
>>> To: Macvisionaries
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
>>> 
>>> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
 
 I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain 
 seems higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears 
 battery issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of 
 uppercase or capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  
 Other than that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all 
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Cannon Scanner and Mac Mini

['Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries]

Hello, I have a Macbook Air and a Mac Mini  both running Yosemite.
When I connect the Cannon scanner to the Macbook Air, , and go to printers and 
faxes, I can add it with no problem and it works beautifully.
However, on the Mac Mini, it just literally does not show up at all, I have 
tried all available USB ports.
The scanner has no on/off button, and I made certain that it was unlocked.
It’s just not showing up at all.
Any suggestions would sure be appreciated.
Thanks.

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Re: El Kapitan.

[Scott Granados]

Kawal, the recent naming convention is places in California.  El Capitan is the 
tallest peek in Yosemite national park which is an amazing outdoor space in 
California that has been reserved as a national park.  Mavericks is a place off 
the Northern California coast not far from Santa Cruz or San Francisco where 
one of the worlds most difficult and dangerous surfing competitions takes 
place.  It’s set up where surfers around the world get 24 hours notice to 
travel to mavericks and then compete.  Wave heights can be over 60 feet and 
have broken 80 or more.  More than not there’s at least one death during the 
competition because the conditions are so extreme.  Even spectators have been 
washed out to sea which caused the observation area to be moved way back but 
you used to be able to get right there on the water’s edge.
Yosemite as you know is the park I mentioned.  So you can see these 
names are California based.  Still, I think El Capitan is the worst name for an 
operating system ever.:)
 
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Please could someone tell me where this place El Capitan is as I've never 
> heard of it.  Is it a small place and why do Apple choose such strange names? 
>  I preferred the cat family.
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Re: IOS 9 impressions?

[Scott Granados]

Just the 6S series I believe.  Think it needs special M9 motion extensions to 
go with the enhanced display to work.

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Well I upgrade then.  Is 3D touch available or is this just so on the new 6 
> plus S's or 6S's?
> On 17 Sep 2015, at 20:00, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I haven't noticed that actually.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> A friend of mine said there was a bug on IOS9 where if you put headphones in 
>> to make a call then took them out, Voice Over would die.  She said some 
>> phones did that and others didn't so I don't know if I should hold off.  
>> Should I put it on that is the question as I'm getting the next I phone 6S 
>> plus so I am pondering!
>> 
>> Thanks Scott for remarking on my adventure it was crazy wasn't it but no 
>> worries, I was just saying.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 17 Sep 2015, at 13:41, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>> 
>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain seems 
>> higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears battery 
>> issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of uppercase or 
>> capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  Other than 
>> that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>> 
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Re: system integrity protection

[Scott Granados]

Who’s happy about the fact that companies are starting to take security 
seriously though?  Stuff we unix / network folks have been doing / thinking 
about for 30 years now are finally and I mean finally starting to show up on 
the consumer side.  
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:57 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> System Integrity Protection will in theory not be a problem for you, if you 
> don’t happen to need to step on its toes.  The biggest issue I see is that 
> the bless command-line tool will no longer function, which is a real meh, 
> since System Preferences often doesn’t show the Windows partition.  Other 
> than that, OS file immutability is actually a nice harness for the avoidance 
> of crappy software.  Still a worrying and unhealthy trend, though.  Very 
> worrying …
> 
> SIP has nothing whatsoever to do with sandboxing.  It only protects system 
> files and prevents you from doing various code injection tricks.  Dropbox can 
> use the new APIs provided to show file status indicators instead of injecting 
> into the Finder.  (Apparently the irony is lost on Apple that Dropbox, and 
> hence iCloud Drive and the entire API, would not exist if not for the lack of 
> such protections …)
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Re: Viewing all pages of a PDF at once?

[Alex Hall]

I haven't--I never realized it was there. Do you know if there's a way to use 
that in mail attachment previews? As far as I know, the menus there are still 
for Mail, not Preview, so I'm not sure how that would work.
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 02:16, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> Hello Alex,
> 
> Have you tried selecting Continuous reading in the View menu? I think the 
> short cut is Cmd-1.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 05:32, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> When I look at a PDF, I see one page at a time and have to go to subsequent 
>> pages with the "page X" buttons to the right of the text. Is there a way to 
>> just have all pages shown at once, instead of constantly going to the next 
>> one manually? I'm talking about previewing attachments in Mail, or using 
>> Preview itself. Thanks.
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Re: do you want your classic mail inbox back?

[Alex Hall]

10.11 is still under NDA, but the option you described has been available since 
at least 10.9. When you use it, you can also use VoiceOver to sort the columns 
by pressing vo-shift-backslash and then dragging them around. This way, you can 
have the subject first, for example.
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 23:51, Michael Babcock  wrote:
> 
> First of all, this is in OS X 10.11, and i’m not 100% sure about v10.10.
> So I Discovered this while replying to another thread, and I wanted to share 
> with everyone. 
> If you go into preferences and mail, (command plus,) and select the"view" tab 
> the very first checkbox is"use classic view".
> When you select this checkbox unchecked by default, your inbox will look like 
> it used to before recent updates to OS X.
> In another words, you can use voiceover left and right to navigate I Crossed 
> the from, subject, and date columns.
> You could then navigate to the subject column and use shift down arrow to 
> quickly select messages based on their subjects, and then quickly and Easily 
> delete them.
> Also once you have enabled the classic view, there is a menu option under the 
> view menu that isn't there by default available called"columns". You can 
> select or deselect what columns you want to show in your inbox. Hope this 
> helps someone.
> 
> Michael Babcock
> Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
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Re: Apple car, anyone?

[Scott Granados]

Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like?  There 
were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they 
basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) 
and it had no (0) windows.  Think about that for a minute.  What it did have 
were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features.
You’d also be interested in what Google is doing.  They have already 
had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now.  I believe 
that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to 
come up with a name.  I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall 
the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and 
to the store etc.  It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, 
he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that 
had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up.

Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually 
are.  Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision.

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
> haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
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> Cheers,
> Donna
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Apple car, anyone?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you 
haven't seen it.  I sooo want to be a test driver!
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front
 

Cheers,
Donna

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Re: useing docs with mac voiceover (fwd)

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I don’t have anything for your damsel in distress, but I can only concur with 
the frustration.  NVDA works well, but ChromeVox (which you can run under OS X) 
works excellently.  Neither are VoiceOver, of course.

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Re: system integrity protection

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

System Integrity Protection will in theory not be a problem for you, if you 
don’t happen to need to step on its toes.  The biggest issue I see is that the 
bless command-line tool will no longer function, which is a real meh, since 
System Preferences often doesn’t show the Windows partition.  Other than that, 
OS file immutability is actually a nice harness for the avoidance of crappy 
software.  Still a worrying and unhealthy trend, though.  Very worrying …

SIP has nothing whatsoever to do with sandboxing.  It only protects system 
files and prevents you from doing various code injection tricks.  Dropbox can 
use the new APIs provided to show file status indicators instead of injecting 
into the Finder.  (Apparently the irony is lost on Apple that Dropbox, and 
hence iCloud Drive and the entire API, would not exist if not for the lack of 
such protections …)

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RE: IOS 9 impressions?

[Junior Lolley KG4ITD]

Stacey, great glad it worked for you.


Junior Lolley kg4itd
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"The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 10:25 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?

Junior, I got updated and upgraded.
Now I just have to learn the new stuff in ios9.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
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> 
> Stacey, you are welcome.
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 1:15 PM
> To: Macvisionaries
> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
> 
> Thanks Junior,
> That is what I needed to know.
> 
> Blessings,
> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>   
> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stacey, I upgraded my iPhone 5 to  IOS 9.
>> 
>> 
>> Junior Lolley kg4itd
>> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
>> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
>> take a chance or your life will never change."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 12:46 PM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: Re: IOS 9 impressions?
>> 
>> Can I upgrade a 5S to IOS9?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>  
>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone else install IOS 9 and what are your impressions?
>>> 
>>> I have it running now for less than 24 hours of course.  Battery drain 
>>> seems higher but I probably need a phone restart that usually clears 
>>> battery issues.  I like VO saying cap and the letter now instead of 
>>> uppercase or capitol, and the replacement for passbook seems easy to use.  
>>> Other than that not to many impressions yet.  What are you all experiencing?
>>> 
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Re: Finally figured out how to not have every email in a thread read to me

[Michael Babcock]

thanks for that information, and sorry about that. I meant to say that you can 
select the Columns not colors.
best
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> On Sep 17, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathon,
> 
> So glad to hear you got it. I was worried I might have missed a step when 
> writing it out. It was just dumb luck that I came across it. Feel free to put 
> it in the next book. LOL. Thanks for your warnings about updating to IOS 9, I 
> made the jump though as the issues were well worth it for me, and so far so 
> good, enjoying IOS 9 and its features.
> 
> Michael, unfortunately a lot of us like the layout of non classic mail so 
> this is the first way I have discovered around the annoying reading of 30 
> email addresses before a subject. Also not sure what color coding emails is 
> supposed to do for us blind peeps.
>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian, I just wanted to thank you very much for this. This is one thing 
>> that has driven me so nuts that I've almost gone back to using Outlook 
>> inWindows.
>> To me, having to sit through a huge list of names in a long thread before 
>> you can even know what its subject is is just very bad design.
>> It's a shame we have to do all this interacting and getting to the field, 
>> but it's worth it on a list like this when threads can get very long.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org 
>>> On 18/09/2015, at 11:15 AM, Brian Fischler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I apologize if this has been posted before as I just stumbled on to by 
>>> accident. One of the things that has driven me bonkers in Yosemite mail is 
>>> when you go to a thread in mac mail and every ones email address is read to 
>>> you before the subject as it might not be a subject that interests you. 
>>> Well today I came across a way to get around having everyones email address 
>>> read to you. When going through your mail interact with the message before 
>>> you open it, VO right arrow to the subject now open the message with return 
>>> close it after looking at all the messages in the thread with a VO w and 
>>> hit the delete key, now because you are interacting with the subject you 
>>> are taken to the next message in your mailbox and none of the email 
>>> addresses are read to you. The only down side is VO does not read you how 
>>> many messages are in a thread but if you are like me and do not care to 
>>> hear everyones email address this is the first way I found around it. Hope 
>>> this helps some.
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Re: system integrity protection

[Singing Sparrow]

can you tell me where you are finding the info on the newest version of osx?

On 9/18/2015 12:57 AM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

Hi,
According to
https://www.dropbox.com/release_notes
It looks like Dropbox now has OS X 10.11 support. Or maybe, it has for 
a while, I’m not sure, since I’m not running the beta or anything.

Hope this helps,
Jeffrey
On Sep 17, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Michael Babcock > wrote:


For what it’s worth, google drive (i use it more then dropbox) is 
installed and working just fine on the OS X 10.11 BETA.
I can copy and paste files both from the google drive and to the 
google drive folder in my home folder.

I have not tested dropbox.

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On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Mike Arrigo > wrote:


Hey everyone, I've been doing some reading on what will be coming in 
version 10.11, el Capitan, it does appear as though Apple is getting 
more restrictive with each release. In 10.10 they introduced kext 
signing which only allows you to install kernel extentions that are 
signed by Apple. Now, in 10.11, they are introducing what is called 
system integrity protection. In a nutshell, what this does is 
prevent any program from accessing or binding to running processes 
such as the finder or dock. One program that apparently is affected 
by this is dropbox, the finder integration will no longer work. 
Basically, it requires all applications to be sandboxed, even those 
that are installed from outside the app store. Even if a program 
requests elevated permissions where you have to type in your 
password, that will no longer matter, the program will no longer 
have this access. Fortunately, there will be a way to disable this 
from the recovery, and that will be one of the first things I do 
once I upgrade.


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