Launchpad, what is it?

[Michael Babcock]

can anyone let me know what Launchpad is used for? i’ve had it on my mac since 
apple put it there, but haven’t been able to figure out what i can use it for. 
admittedly, i’ve not explored much, and would love some feedback from those of 
you who may have.
best.

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Arnold Schmidt]

When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the 
Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know 
I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went 
bad.


Arnold Schmidt
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To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
closed up.


It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of 
devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able 
to, or the mac mini like you could before,


Imac can still be done '
The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
to remove or change the harddrive.


I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain

Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

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It depends on what you need to do with it. That said, I will go with the iPad 
Pro 12.9.

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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
> the expansion ports of a Mac.
> 
> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, 
> I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro 
> is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have 
> an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad 
> do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
> obviously. :)
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
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>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Simon Fogarty]

Sorry andy, must be some confusion, I said nothing about the flying you over 
and putting you in a 5 star hotel, infact I don’t think Dunedin has a 5 star 
hotel possibly even a 4 star for that matter.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Simon.

I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, just 
to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Andy,

Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Arnold.

I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
the way I like it!

I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
every new experience and see this learning experience as an important milestone 
in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it aint!


I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member of 
this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm a 
happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
importantly, I'll enjoy it!

Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
different!

Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Arnold.
That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I am 
checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back the end 
of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.

Arnold Schmidt
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From: Simon Fogarty
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi arnld,
Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple os.
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Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. My 
information that I would like you to have been say is below in my signature. I 
had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I will say this, 
I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't work with Jaws with 
my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for Arnold this is for anybody 
who has trouble with the Mac still free to use interviews my information in my 
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On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two weeks, 
concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after all 
yesterday, which was my last day to return it.
To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't 
getting it as much as I think I should have 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Alex Hall]

The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, which 
is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks the 
expansion ports of a Mac.

As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you can't 
run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but I do 
have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. Personally, I'd 
rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. The iPad Pro is a 
fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I already have an 
iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, what can an iPad do 
for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) iPhone can't? JMO, 
obviously. :)
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff 
> on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>> 
>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>> I miss something obvious?
>> ---
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>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
>> 
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.

 They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
 I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
closed up.

 It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the mac 
mini like you could before, 

 Imac can still be done '
 The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram 
And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models to 
remove or change the harddrive.

 I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
>>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
>>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

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Yeah, no the Air is a 9 inch.

The Pro comes in 64GB, 128GB, or 256GB.
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sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max

On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!


I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch. 
Did I miss something obvious?

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Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He 
was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the 
blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you 
need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could 
only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? 
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Re: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

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You must first go to appleid.apple.com > security and turn off two step 
verification, if you have it on. Then, after you've made three security 
questions (part of disabling two step verification), go to your iPhone > 
settings > iCloud. Tap the button named for your account username, enter the 
password, and tap two factor authentication. That's if you can find it.
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:49, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> My iPHone has two factor authentication?
>  
> Where abouts is it I shoud be looking for this?
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 2:36 PM
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> Subject: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?
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> Hi all,
> My sister had to turn off two step verification on her ID months ago so she 
> could sign into the Apple TV 3. However, she went to turn on two factor 
> authentication today, at my urging, but it's not anywhere. She has El Cap, 
> iOS9, and watchOS2. Yet neither on the Mac, web, or iPhone is 2FA an option 
> at all. It's not that it's dimmed, it's literally not there in any way. I 
> enabled it on my account with no trouble, although I'm on iOS10. Still, all 
> the articles I've read--including Apple's own--say to do exactly what I did. 
> Why hers isn't working is beyond me. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

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sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max hard 
drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of stuff on 
their cloud drive? thanks, max 
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> IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
> 
> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did I 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!


I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
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Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
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mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

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Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue tooth 
keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have any of 
you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one would you go 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

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Actually, you might be right now that I think of it.  I think it's a setting 
within your Googlegroups account.  Very good point.  I didn't honestly even 
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  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  I could be wrong, but I think that might be a setting that one can change. On 
our end. Include your email or not. But I've noticed that same behavior.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 8, 2016, at 18:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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Oh weird.  Peggy's e-mail address wasn't extracted from this message, and 
it wound up going to the whole list.  Sorry about that guys!

Not there was anything objectionable in my message, but I wonder why some 
people, it shows their name via macvisionaries, yet others it let's me get 
their actual e-mail address.

I just hit the command reply to all, but wow.  Why did it do that, I wonder!

Peggy, you're gonna need to write me off list privately and give me your 
e-mail address.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

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I could be wrong, but I think that might be a setting that one can change. On 
our end. Include your email or not. But I've noticed that same behavior.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 18:25, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> their actual e-mail address.
>  
> I just hit the command reply to all, but wow.  Why did it do that, I wonder!
>  
> Peggy, you're gonna need to write me off list privately and give me your 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

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Actually, Danny, I can accomidate those who are international.  It wouldn't be 
through the group classes, but I could go through the coriculum with them 
one-on-one via either Facetime, or Skype.
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  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  This won't work for me being in Australia but perhaps there are some aus Nz 
Asian etc Mac users who want to try and get something going down here. I have a 
lot to learn but also know enough to teach some things. 
  Any interest let me know at
  danny.noo...@icloud.com
  There are always folks struggling with vo on the Mac. 

  Danny


  Sent from my iPhone

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Guys,

I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.

I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to an 
hour out of that timeframe.

So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  I 
would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group setting. 
 The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better understand 
Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum would be:

  a.. Deciding which mac is right for you 
  b.. The differences in keyboard layouts 
  c.. Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys 
  d.. Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys 
  e.. Turning on your mac for the very first time ever 
  f.. Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help 
  g.. Basic VO keyboard navigation 
  h.. Basic VO trackpad navigation 
  i.. Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation 
  j.. Completing the first time setup assistant 
  k.. Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why 
  l.. The basics of Quick Nav 
  m.. Accessing and navigating menu bars 
  n.. Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are 
  o.. Connecting to a wifi network 
  p.. Configuring Finder view options to your liking 
  q.. Accessing right click context menus 
  r.. Navigating the dock, and what is it 
  s.. Switching between opened applications 
  t.. The Running applications window 
  u.. Switching between opened windows within an application 
  v.. The Window chooser 
  w.. System Preferences, and useful configurations 
  x.. The Finder, and basic navigation 
  y.. Opening files/folders 
  z.. Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives 
  aa.. The Finder sidebar 
  ab.. The finder browser 
  ac.. Icon, list, and column views within the Finder 
  ad.. Changing between the three different views 
  ae.. Renaming files/folders 
  af.. Copy/pasting files/folders 
  ag.. Selecting files/folders contiguously 
  ah.. Selecting file/folders noncontiguously 
  ai.. Adding items to the dock 
  aj.. Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them 
  ak.. Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media 
  al.. Closing opened windows 
  am.. Quitting applications 
  an.. Force quitting applications, and when to do so 
  ao.. An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility 
  ap.. An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting 
  aq.. Routing the mouse pointer 
  ar.. Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus 
  as.. Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors 
  at.. Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help 
  au.. Hiding vs. minimizing 
  av.. Zooming vs. maximizing 
  aw.. Closing vs. quitting 
  ax.. Setting some useful preferences for Safari 
  ay.. Two dedicated classes to surfing the web 
  az.. One dedicated class to working with E-mail 
  ba.. Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes 
  bb.. The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it 
  bc.. Basic word processing/text editting 
  bd.. A very basic introduction to Pages 
  be.. A very basic introduction to Numbers 
  bf.. A very basic 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Nancy Badger]

Chris,
I have been using a Mac for about three years now. I have learned some of this 
but I would still like to listen in and learn more. Please add me to your list. 
I would appreciate it if it was after 5 o'clock eastern time. However I 
understand if it doesn't work

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
UT Chattanooga
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour  class on the 
> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for 
> this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in 
> a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture  based.  I would make 
> them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of 
> the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
> Accessing right click context menus
> Navigating the dock, and what is it
> Switching between opened applications
> The Running applications window
> Switching between opened windows within an application
> The Window chooser
> System Preferences, and useful configurations
> The Finder, and basic navigation
> Opening files/folders
> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
> The Finder sidebar
> The finder browser
> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
> Changing between the three different views
> Renaming files/folders
> Copy/pasting files/folders
> Selecting files/folders contiguously
> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
> Adding items to the dock
> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
> Closing opened windows
> Quitting applications
> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
> Hiding vs. minimizing
> Zooming vs. maximizing
> Closing vs. quitting
> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
> Basic word processing/text editting
> A very basic introduction to Pages
> A very basic introduction to Numbers
> A very basic introduction to Keynote
> The mac App Store
> Software Update
> Disk Utility
> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
> The notification Center
> Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
> An intro to the stocked DVD player
> An intro to Airplay
> Booting into System Recovery
> Imaging your drive with Super Duper
> Time Machine, and its uses
> Migration Assistant, and its uses
> Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
> Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
> An intro to Activity Monitor
> An intro to ICloud Drive
> An Intro to Keychain Manager
>  
> The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and 
> answerring any questions which may have not already been covered.
>  
> Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed 
> certifiquet certifying their full completion in the corse.
>  
> Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
> group to complete for the next 

Re: A Question for Facebook App Users Regarding the Viewing of Timeline or Group Feeds in Chronological Order

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I believe the groups at does this for you.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> It seems that when I view a group feed in the Facebook app, the individual
> member posts are not necessarily sorted into chronological order, from
> newest to oldest.  
> 
> Is there a way to sort either my timeline feed or group feeds into
> chronological order?  
> 
> The steps I use to view a group feed is as follows:
> 
> 1.
> From within the Facebook app, select the More tab, located near the bottom
> right corner of the display.
> 
> 2.
> Select Groups.
> 
> 3.
> Select a group, of which I am a member.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi all! How are you all? This is ehelga! This will definitely work for me! We 
just need to plan this with a time that works! I had my macbook Air 11 inches 
since August 11 of 2015. And I still need to elrn a lot! I only know osme 
basics! But havint this class! will definitely help me at my school and 
eventually my carreer. So lerning the Mac is soemthing I want to do! I love my 
mac computer! I look forward in hering from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :)

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
> 
> This won't work for me being in Australia but perhaps there are some aus Nz 
> Asian etc Mac users who want to try and get something going down here. I have 
> a lot to learn but also know enough to teach some things. 
> Any interest let me know at
> danny.noo...@icloud.com
> There are always folks struggling with vo on the Mac. 
> 
> Danny
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 10:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
>> of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>>  
>> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
>> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
>> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
>> an hour out of that timeframe.
>>  
>> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
>> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
>> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
>> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
>> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for 
>> this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all 
>> in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would 
>> make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion 
>> of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all 
>> better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the 
>> coriculum would be:
>>  
>> Deciding which mac is right for you
>> The differences in keyboard layouts
>> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
>> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
>> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
>> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
>> Basic VO keyboard navigation
>> Basic VO trackpad navigation
>> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
>> Completing the first time setup assistant
>> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
>> The basics of Quick Nav
>> Accessing and navigating menu bars
>> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
>> Connecting to a wifi network
>> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
>> Accessing right click context menus
>> Navigating the dock, and what is it
>> Switching between opened applications
>> The Running applications window
>> Switching between opened windows within an application
>> The Window chooser
>> System Preferences, and useful configurations
>> The Finder, and basic navigation
>> Opening files/folders
>> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
>> The Finder sidebar
>> The finder browser
>> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
>> Changing between the three different views
>> Renaming files/folders
>> Copy/pasting files/folders
>> Selecting files/folders contiguously
>> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
>> Adding items to the dock
>> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
>> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
>> Closing opened windows
>> Quitting applications
>> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
>> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
>> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
>> Routing the mouse pointer
>> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
>> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
>> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
>> Hiding vs. minimizing
>> Zooming vs. maximizing
>> Closing vs. quitting
>> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
>> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
>> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
>> Three dedicated classes to the basics 

Re: A Question for Facebook App Users Regarding the Viewing of Timeline or Group Feeds in Chronological Order

[Mary Otten]

Would love this info too. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:34 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> It seems that when I view a group feed in the Facebook app, the individual
> member posts are not necessarily sorted into chronological order, from
> newest to oldest.  
> 
> Is there a way to sort either my timeline feed or group feeds into
> chronological order?  
> 
> The steps I use to view a group feed is as follows:
> 
> 1.
> From within the Facebook app, select the More tab, located near the bottom
> right corner of the display.
> 
> 2.
> Select Groups.
> 
> 3.
> Select a group, of which I am a member.
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Danny Noonan]

This won't work for me being in Australia but perhaps there are some aus Nz 
Asian etc Mac users who want to try and get something going down here. I have a 
lot to learn but also know enough to teach some things. 
Any interest let me know at
danny.noo...@icloud.com
There are always folks struggling with vo on the Mac. 

Danny

Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Jul 2016, at 10:02 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour  class on the 
> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for 
> this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in 
> a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture  based.  I would make 
> them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of 
> the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
> Accessing right click context menus
> Navigating the dock, and what is it
> Switching between opened applications
> The Running applications window
> Switching between opened windows within an application
> The Window chooser
> System Preferences, and useful configurations
> The Finder, and basic navigation
> Opening files/folders
> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
> The Finder sidebar
> The finder browser
> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
> Changing between the three different views
> Renaming files/folders
> Copy/pasting files/folders
> Selecting files/folders contiguously
> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
> Adding items to the dock
> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
> Closing opened windows
> Quitting applications
> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
> Hiding vs. minimizing
> Zooming vs. maximizing
> Closing vs. quitting
> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
> Basic word processing/text editting
> A very basic introduction to Pages
> A very basic introduction to Numbers
> A very basic introduction to Keynote
> The mac App Store
> Software Update
> Disk Utility
> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
> The notification Center
> Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
> An intro to the stocked DVD player
> An intro to Airplay
> Booting into System Recovery
> Imaging your drive with Super Duper
> Time Machine, and its uses
> Migration Assistant, and its uses
> Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
> Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
> An intro to Activity Monitor
> An intro to ICloud Drive
> An Intro to Keychain Manager
>  
> The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and 
> answerring any questions which may have not already been covered.
>  
> Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed 
> certifiquet certifying their full completion in the corse.
>  
> Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
> group to complete for the next class.
>  
> If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Joseph Hudson]

Okay yeah sounds great I would not remind participating in a call dad has to do 
with doing that not a problem. Just let me know if you decide to do something 
like this. And I will be glad to help.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@gmail.com 
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 

Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:10 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find
> out what do people need, and take it from there.
> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i
> use windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write
> write. it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid
> questions are the once not asked.
> Sandi
> 
> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Arnold,
>> 
>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  Because, you
>> remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac journey.  This is
>> to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I found that learning how
>> to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely frustrating, at first--especially
>> given my then expertise with Jaws for Windows.
>> 
>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they merely
>> wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to themselves
>> that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of frustration with
>> the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does something can, in many
>> instances directly affect the outcome of the exploration, itself.
>> 
>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac because I
>> was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering that they
>> deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature that shipped with
>> the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy of that particular beta
>> which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly comprehensive installation
>> experience for a totally blind user.  It never crossed my mind that they
>> would pull that feature in subsequent beta releases which, as it turned out,
>> they did.
>> 
>> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking
>> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the feature
>> as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, reliving the
>> experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>> 
>> But I digress.
>> 
>> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local Mac
>> store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my primary
>> motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and tired of
>> Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and low vision
>> users--especially given that they had proven that it could be done and that
>> it could be done well.
>> 
>> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of many, the
>> Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>> 
>> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, etc are
>> all marvelous accessibility tools.
>> 
>> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows and
>> Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need to choose
>> one over the other.
>> 
>> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be
>> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when you need
>> to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from
>> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000,
>> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what
>> I want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c
>> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I
>> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and
>> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a
>> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I
>> learned to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That
>> is a pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I
>> didn't have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes,
>> than in windows 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa, gotcha.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Hudson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:31 PM
  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  This happens with people that are using Google mail. Normally I am able to 
figure out whether addresses and news D right arrow key to copy just the 
address after hitting reply. And that normally works.

  Joseph Hudson
  Email
  jhud7...@gmail.com
  I device support
  Telephone
  2543007667
  Skype
  joseph.hudson89 facebook
  https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
  Twitter
  https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 


  FaceTime/iMessage
  jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I know, I wrote the list apologizing.  I'm not sure why some people it says 
name via mac visionaries, where others the headers actually contain their 
physical e-mail address.  It doesn't make any sense to me.
---
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  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I 
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On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Hi Peggy,

I am writing you this off list.

Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a 
schedule timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking 
right now like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work 
hours, obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of us can 
try to negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that every single 
person totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I can.  Ideally, 
I'd like the first one hour long lesson to be next week.

Chris.


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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Joseph Hudson]

This happens with people that are using Google mail. Normally I am able to 
figure out whether addresses and news D right arrow key to copy just the 
address after hitting reply. And that normally works.
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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I know, I wrote the list apologizing.  I'm not sure why some people it says 
> name via mac visionaries, where others the headers actually contain their 
> physical e-mail address.  It doesn't make any sense to me.
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Joseph Hudson 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read
>> 
>> Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I 
>> hope he sees it so that she can write you a off list.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
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>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
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>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peggy,
>>>  
>>> I am writing you this off list.
>>>  
>>> Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a schedule 
>>> timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking right 
>>> now like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work 
>>> hours, obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of us 
>>> can try to negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that every 
>>> single person totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I can.  
>>> Ideally, I'd like the first one hour long lesson to be next week.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I know, I wrote the list apologizing.  I'm not sure why some people it says 
name via mac visionaries, where others the headers actually contain their 
physical e-mail address.  It doesn't make any sense to me.
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  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I hope 
he sees it so that she can write you a off list.

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On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
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Hi Peggy,

I am writing you this off list.

Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a schedule 
timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking right now 
like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work hours, 
obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of us can try to 
negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that every single person 
totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I can.  Ideally, I'd like 
the first one hour long lesson to be next week.

Chris.


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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

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Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I hope 
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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peggy,
>  
> I am writing you this off list.
>  
> Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a schedule 
> timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking right now 
> like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work hours, 
> obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of us can try 
> to negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that every single 
> person totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I can.  Ideally, 
> I'd like the first one hour long lesson to be next week.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh weird.  Peggy's e-mail address wasn't extracted from this message, and it 
wound up going to the whole list.  Sorry about that guys!

Not there was anything objectionable in my message, but I wonder why some 
people, it shows their name via macvisionaries, yet others it let's me get 
their actual e-mail address.

I just hit the command reply to all, but wow.  Why did it do that, I wonder!

Peggy, you're gonna need to write me off list privately and give me your e-mail 
address.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Chris.

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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Hi Peggy,

I am writing you this off list.

Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a schedule 
timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking right now 
like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work hours, 
obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of us can try to 
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totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I can.  Ideally, I'd like 
the first one hour long lesson to be next week.

Chris.

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['Peggy' via MacVisionaries]

I would like this, I have been using a mac for a very long time, but think 
there is a lot that I don't know.
Peggy and Dixie Marie

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Guys,
 
I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
 
I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of story!  
There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say out of an 
8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to an hour out 
of that timeframe.
 
So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  I 
would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group setting. 
 The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better understand 
Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum would be:
 
Deciding which mac is right for you
The differences in keyboard layouts
Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
Basic VO keyboard navigation
Basic VO trackpad navigation
Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
Completing the first time setup assistant
Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
The basics of Quick Nav
Accessing and navigating menu bars
Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
Connecting to a wifi network
Configuring Finder view options to your liking
Accessing right click context menus
Navigating the dock, and what is it
Switching between opened applications
The Running applications window
Switching between opened windows within an application
The Window chooser
System Preferences, and useful configurations
The Finder, and basic navigation
Opening files/folders
Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
The Finder sidebar
The finder browser
Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
Changing between the three different views
Renaming files/folders
Copy/pasting files/folders
Selecting files/folders contiguously
Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
Adding items to the dock
Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
Closing opened windows
Quitting applications
Force quitting applications, and when to do so
An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
Routing the mouse pointer
Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
Moving and resizing windows with no sightedhelp
Hiding vs. minimizing
Zooming vs. maximizing
Closing vs. quitting
Setting some useful preferences for Safari
Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
One dedicated class to working with E-mail
Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
Basic word processing/text editting
A very basic introduction to Pages
A very basic introduction to Numbers
A very basic introduction to Keynote
The mac App Store
Software Update
Disk Utility
An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
The notification Center
Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
An intro to the stocked DVD player
An intro to Airplay
Booting into System Recovery
Imaging your drive with Super Duper
Time Machine, and its uses
Migration Assistant, and its uses
Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
An intro to Activity Monitor
An intro to ICloud Drive
An Intro to Keychain Manager
 
The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and answerring 
any questions which may have not already been covered.
 
Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed certifiquet 
certifying their full completion in the corse.
 
Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
group to complete for the next class.
 
If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, I am giving you 
a $300 value.  Normally, this corse is charged at $300, but seeing how many on 
this list have lately seemed to be struggling, I believe in you guys enough, 
and I believe in Apple, and their products enough, that I would like to offer 
this to you all as a free gift.  It's not something I normally do, but if it 
will help you guys, then, I'll do it.
 
Let me say this though, if I do this for you all, I 

A Question for Facebook App Users Regarding the Viewing of Timeline or Group Feeds in Chronological Order

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

It seems that when I view a group feed in the Facebook app, the individual
member posts are not necessarily sorted into chronological order, from
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Is there a way to sort either my timeline feed or group feeds into
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The steps I use to view a group feed is as follows:

1.
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Kawal,

Write me off list, as we probably can work something out via Skype on weekends, 
if that would suit you.

clgillan...@gmail.com

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kawal Gucukoglu 
  To: Macvisionaries 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


  I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on the 
Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and be more 
independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my Mac, the person 
made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave me a lesson to 
remember.


  So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.


  Kawal. 

On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Guys,

I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.

I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to an 
hour out of that timeframe.

So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  I 
would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group setting. 
 The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better understand 
Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum would be:

  a.. Deciding which mac is right for you
  b.. The differences in keyboard layouts
  c.. Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
  d.. Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
  e.. Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
  f.. Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
  g.. Basic VO keyboard navigation
  h.. Basic VO trackpad navigation
  i.. Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
  j.. Completing the first time setup assistant
  k.. Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
  l.. The basics of Quick Nav
  m.. Accessing and navigating menu bars
  n.. Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
  o.. Connecting to a wifi network
  p.. Configuring Finder view options to your liking
  q.. Accessing right click context menus
  r.. Navigating the dock, and what is it
  s.. Switching between opened applications
  t.. The Running applications window
  u.. Switching between opened windows within an application
  v.. The Window chooser
  w.. System Preferences, and useful configurations
  x.. The Finder, and basic navigation
  y.. Opening files/folders
  z.. Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
  aa.. The Finder sidebar
  ab.. The finder browser
  ac.. Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
  ad.. Changing between the three different views
  ae.. Renaming files/folders
  af.. Copy/pasting files/folders
  ag.. Selecting files/folders contiguously
  ah.. Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
  ai.. Adding items to the dock
  aj.. Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
  ak.. Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
  al.. Closing opened windows
  am.. Quitting applications
  an.. Force quitting applications, and when to do so
  ao.. An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
  ap.. An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
  aq.. Routing the mouse pointer
  ar.. Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
  as.. Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
  at.. Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
  au.. Hiding vs. minimizing
  av.. Zooming vs. maximizing
  aw.. Closing vs. quitting
  ax.. Setting some useful preferences for Safari
  ay.. Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
  az.. One dedicated class to working with E-mail
  ba.. Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
  bb.. The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
  bc.. Basic word processing/text editting
  bd.. A very basic introduction to Pages
  be.. A very basic introduction to Numbers
  bf.. A very basic introduction to Keynote
  

Re: track pad what can one do with it

[Marie Lyons]

I have a track pad and I can’t figure out why I can’t flick up and move down 
the page. I wind up opening mission control. I can quite ably flick up on the 
iPhone. Is there another way of moving up or down the page with the track pad? 
It would have been helpful when my keyboard wasn’t working.

Marie Lyons
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Rhonda,
>  
> The track pa makes things very accessible
> It is a mouse type device
>  And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would 
> use the iPhone or iPad touch screan.
>  
> Including giving us a roter for finer working.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ]On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: track pad what can one do with it
>  
> Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
> Rhonda
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Marie Lyons]

I would be very interested in these teleconferences. How would you announce 
them? Would it be announced on or off list?

Marie Lyons
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
> of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
> their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  
> I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group 
> setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
> interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
> devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
> Accessing right click context menus
> Navigating the dock, and what is it
> Switching between opened applications
> The Running applications window
> Switching between opened windows within an application
> The Window chooser
> System Preferences, and useful configurations
> The Finder, and basic navigation
> Opening files/folders
> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
> The Finder sidebar
> The finder browser
> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
> Changing between the three different views
> Renaming files/folders
> Copy/pasting files/folders
> Selecting files/folders contiguously
> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
> Adding items to the dock
> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
> Closing opened windows
> Quitting applications
> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
> Hiding vs. minimizing
> Zooming vs. maximizing
> Closing vs. quitting
> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
> Basic word processing/text editting
> A very basic introduction to Pages
> A very basic introduction to Numbers
> A very basic introduction to Keynote
> The mac App Store
> Software Update
> Disk Utility
> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
> The notification Center
> Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
> An intro to the stocked DVD player
> An intro to Airplay
> Booting into System Recovery
> Imaging your drive with Super Duper
> Time Machine, and its uses
> Migration Assistant, and its uses
> Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
> Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
> An intro to Activity Monitor
> An intro to ICloud Drive
> An Intro to Keychain Manager
>  
> The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and 
> answerring any questions which may have not already been covered.
>  
> Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed 
> certifiquet certifying their full completion in the corse.
>  
> Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
> group to complete for the next class.
>  
> If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, I am giving 
> you a $300 value.  Normally, this corse is charged at $300, but seeing how 
> many on this list have lately seemed to be struggling, I believe in you guys 
> enough, and I believe in Apple, and their products 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Joseph Hudson]

Well if you don't have Skype FaceTime works as well. So for those that need it 
please let me know.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@gmail.com 
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 

Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 3:14 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> No Skype.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  > wrote:
> 
>> Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work 
>> with my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my 
>> services are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
>>> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
>>> the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and 
>>> be more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my 
>>> Mac, the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave 
>>> me a lesson to remember.
>>> 
>>> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
 On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
 of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
  
 I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
 story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd 
 say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
 minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
  
 So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
 telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
 Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
 basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
 Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
 for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you 
 all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I 
 would make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small 
 portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping 
 you all better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, 
 the coriculum would be:
  
 Deciding which mac is right for you
 The differences in keyboard layouts
 Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
 Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
 Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
 Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
 Basic VO keyboard navigation
 Basic VO trackpad navigation
 Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
 Completing the first time setup assistant
 Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
 The basics of Quick Nav
 Accessing and navigating menu bars
 Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
 Connecting to a wifi network
 Configuring Finder view options to your liking
 Accessing right click context menus
 Navigating the dock, and what is it
 Switching between opened applications
 The Running applications window
 Switching between opened windows within an application
 The Window chooser
 System Preferences, and useful configurations
 The Finder, and basic navigation
 Opening files/folders
 Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
 The Finder sidebar
 The finder browser
 Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
 Changing between the three different views
 Renaming files/folders
 Copy/pasting files/folders
 Selecting files/folders contiguously
 Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
 Adding items to the dock
 Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
 Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
 Closing opened windows
 Quitting applications
 Force quitting applications, and when to do so
 An entire 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[John JD Denning]

No Skype.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work with 
> my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my services 
> are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
>> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
>> the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and be 
>> more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my Mac, 
>> the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave me a 
>> lesson to remember.
>> 
>> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
>> 
>> Kawal. 
>>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
>>> of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>>>  
>>> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
>>> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd 
>>> say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
>>> minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
>>>  
>>> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
>>> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
>>> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
>>> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
>>> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
>>> for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you 
>>> all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I 
>>> would make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small 
>>> portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping 
>>> you all better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, 
>>> the coriculum would be:
>>>  
>>> Deciding which mac is right for you
>>> The differences in keyboard layouts
>>> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
>>> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
>>> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
>>> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
>>> Basic VO keyboard navigation
>>> Basic VO trackpad navigation
>>> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
>>> Completing the first time setup assistant
>>> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
>>> The basics of Quick Nav
>>> Accessing and navigating menu bars
>>> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
>>> Connecting to a wifi network
>>> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
>>> Accessing right click context menus
>>> Navigating the dock, and what is it
>>> Switching between opened applications
>>> The Running applications window
>>> Switching between opened windows within an application
>>> The Window chooser
>>> System Preferences, and useful configurations
>>> The Finder, and basic navigation
>>> Opening files/folders
>>> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
>>> The Finder sidebar
>>> The finder browser
>>> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
>>> Changing between the three different views
>>> Renaming files/folders
>>> Copy/pasting files/folders
>>> Selecting files/folders contiguously
>>> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
>>> Adding items to the dock
>>> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
>>> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
>>> Closing opened windows
>>> Quitting applications
>>> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
>>> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
>>> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
>>> Routing the mouse pointer
>>> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
>>> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
>>> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
>>> Hiding vs. minimizing
>>> Zooming vs. maximizing
>>> Closing vs. quitting
>>> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
>>> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
>>> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
>>> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
>>> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
>>> Basic word processing/text editting
>>> A very basic introduction to Pages
>>> A very basic introduction to Numbers
>>> A very basic introduction to Keynote
>>> The mac App Store
>>> Software Update
>>> Disk 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Joseph Hudson]

Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work with 
my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my services are 
free unless I have to come there to assist you.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@gmail.com 
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 

Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com 
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on the 
> Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and be more 
> independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my Mac, the 
> person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave me a lesson 
> to remember.
> 
> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
> 
> Kawal. 
>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
>> of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>>  
>> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
>> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
>> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
>> an hour out of that timeframe.
>>  
>> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
>> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
>> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
>> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
>> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for 
>> this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all 
>> in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would 
>> make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion 
>> of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all 
>> better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the 
>> coriculum would be:
>>  
>> Deciding which mac is right for you
>> The differences in keyboard layouts
>> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
>> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
>> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
>> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
>> Basic VO keyboard navigation
>> Basic VO trackpad navigation
>> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
>> Completing the first time setup assistant
>> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
>> The basics of Quick Nav
>> Accessing and navigating menu bars
>> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
>> Connecting to a wifi network
>> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
>> Accessing right click context menus
>> Navigating the dock, and what is it
>> Switching between opened applications
>> The Running applications window
>> Switching between opened windows within an application
>> The Window chooser
>> System Preferences, and useful configurations
>> The Finder, and basic navigation
>> Opening files/folders
>> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
>> The Finder sidebar
>> The finder browser
>> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
>> Changing between the three different views
>> Renaming files/folders
>> Copy/pasting files/folders
>> Selecting files/folders contiguously
>> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
>> Adding items to the dock
>> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
>> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
>> Closing opened windows
>> Quitting applications
>> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
>> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
>> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
>> Routing the mouse pointer
>> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
>> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
>> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
>> Hiding vs. minimizing
>> Zooming vs. maximizing
>> Closing vs. quitting
>> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
>> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
>> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
>> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
>> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
>> Basic word processing/text editting
>> A very basic introduction to Pages
>> A very basic introduction to Numbers
>> A very basic introduction to Keynote
>> The mac App Store
>> Software Update
>> Disk Utility
>> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
>> The notification Center
>> Audio/Midi Setup, and 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on the 
Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and be more 
independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my Mac, the person 
made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave me a lesson to 
remember.

So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.

Kawal. 
> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
> of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
> their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  
> I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group 
> setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
> interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
> devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
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Re: Reading Large Text Files

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi there,

I was actually looking for a tool .ike Textedit, but Textmate had the same 
issues.

I loaded the file up in Nano and that seemed to do the trick.

Thank,
Jeff


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> Some people find that Vim doesn't read as well as they'd like with VoiceOver. 
> But TextMate is a similar graphical interface to TextEdit which is what I 
> thought  he was looking for. VoiceOver tends to read the terminal a bit weird 
> and sometimes doesn't track the cursor as well as one might like in Vim. 
> Unless I've got something set wrongly, I'd rather use the terminal for that 
> sort of thing myself.
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Re: Reading Large Text Files

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Some people find that Vim doesn't read as well as they'd like with VoiceOver. 
But TextMate is a similar graphical interface to TextEdit which is what I 
thought  he was looking for. VoiceOver tends to read the terminal a bit weird 
and sometimes doesn't track the cursor as well as one might like in Vim. Unless 
I've got something set wrongly, I'd rather use the terminal for that sort of 
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Re: Reading Large Text Files

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

you are a coder, use what all others use, VIM… also installed on your
box as vi :)

On 7/8/16, Blee Blat  wrote:
> TextMate should do what you're after.  It might also help you code better
> too.
>
> Here's a download link. Don't worry about the beta tag, it seems reasonably
> stable.
> TextMate 2.0 beta 10
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Re: track pad what can one do with it

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One can have individually defined trackpad gestures to do specific things 
that are in adddition to the default ones.


This is done in the trackpad commander part of the voice over utility.

Once you have the basics of using a mac down the trackpad and other 
commanders can make the mac behave exactly as one wants it to in 
performing just about any task.


On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Scott Davert wrote:


Many of the gestures you know from the iPhone are the same: double tap
to open, flick left and right to go to previous and next item, flick
up and down to move through whatever the rotor is set to, etc. There
are also gestures to do things like interact, move to certain parts of
the operating system, etc. Here's a podcast, if you're in to that sort
of thing, I did awhile back, which was 3 years ago, but all the info
in it is still accurate.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-gestures-trackpad-mac-making-navigation-mac-similar-ios

Scott

On 7/8/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Open and do a lot of other things,
It?s just your phone but built in to the computer or connected to yoru
computer for using as a mouse

Same thing yo get at the front of a mac notebook for a mouse pad.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it

Thanks, I am great with my iPhone, was wondering if a trackpad would help
me. Can one open applications or just adjust settings?

From:
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it

Rhonda,

The track pa makes things very accessible
It is a mouse type device
 And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would
use the iPhone or iPad touch screan.

Including giving us a roter for finer working.

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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
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Subject: track pad what can one do with it

Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
Rhonda
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

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No, it is soldered to the circuit board.  One more tactic by apple to 
control their machines and make every aspect of having one apple centric 
only. On Fri, 8 Jul 2016, Saqib Hussain wrote:



Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn?t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades.

On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:

Hey Arnold,

That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.

I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
gig
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Reading Large Text Files

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TextMate should do what you're after.  It might also help you code better too.

Here's a download link. Don't worry about the beta tag, it seems reasonably 
stable.
TextMate 2.0 beta 10 



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Re: Mac mini 2012

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I got a new mini about a year ago and no monitor is required using 
os10.10.  I do have one from before when sighted folk want to use it.  I 
detect no difference in performance with it plugged in or not.


On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Mike Arrigo wrote:


As far as I know, all the minis still need to think they are connected
to a monitor, apparently it's not the hardware, but the mac operating
system that has the issue if no monitor is connected. There is an
adapter called the fit headless that will get around this problem.
Original message:

Hello all,



Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini
from that  year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would
I need? Thank you.



Portia.



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Reading Large Text Files

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi all,

I am wondering if anybody can recommend an application for reading very large 
text files.

I have a 100 meg debug file for an app I am building, but Voiceover and 
Textedit just don’t seem to be able to allow me to read through it to find a 
bug.

Thank you for your recommendations/tips.

Tia,
Jeff

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Re: For Tim

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the update.  Regarding your mail issues, it sounds like you've 
remedied them yourself.  Let me explain a few things first though.  Apple Mail 
and gMail have an interesting relationship whereby Apple appears to know that a 
large number of Mac users do use gMail and want it to work well on their Mac.  
Google has a pseudo iMap service as well as a desire to keep every darn eMail 
you ever sent or received.  these tend to be kept in the gMail All Mail folder 
even if eMails are trashed.  Therefore, gMail can begin to compile a huge stash 
of messages that you may or may not wish to have.  Consequently, when you first 
set up your Mail app, all these messages begin downloading to your Mac.  This 
can slow everything down considerably as it is affecting both your network 
traffic and using up processor resources.  What is usually recommended is to 
leave your Mail app open, with your Mac left running over night.  As long as it 
doesn't go to sleep, gMail and Mail will complete the task, resolve their 
differences while you sleep, and your Mail app and Mac itself should be much 
more responsive.  As I mentioned, it appears like you may have that beast beat 
to submission.

Regarding your desire to have the Mac automatically login, I will give you the 
instructions to accomplish this.  Although, I will first say that this practice 
is not recommended by pretty well anyone who supports IT, as it leaves you and 
your data easily accessed without ever requiring a password.  With the 
disclaimer aside:

1.  Open system Preferences.
2.  Activate the Users & Groups pane.
3.  Unlock the lock near the bottom of the pane.
4.  Interact with the Users, Groups & Login Options List area.
5.  Navigate to the bottom of this list to the Login Options item.
6.  Stop interacting with the Users, Groups & Login Options list area.
7.  VO-right once and you should hear VO announce something about auto-login 
being off.
8.  VO-space on this pop-up menu and choose the account you wish to auto login 
with.
9.  You'll be required to enter the password for the account, and you're done.
10.  close System Prefs and restart to see if it works.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:02, Martin Brown  wrote:

On your first question Tim, it is pop.
Secondly, When I load mail, it has focus on the inbox of my Gmail account.
I then tab into my list of emails.
If there is an email I wish to read, I press VO plus J to enter the body of
the text. To return to the list of emails again I press VO plus J again. To
move back to my list of mail boxes, I press shift together with the tab key.

As I write this reply, Mail seems to be behaving much better. Bear with me
for a moment and I shall try to explain what I done. As I have said in an
earlier email I have not been on my Mac for quite a while. However during
that time I changed my email provider to Google. Since that time I have been
using Outlook on my Windows machine. Of course, I had made sure to  check
the appropriate check box telling Outlook not to leave a copy of an email on
the server once it had been downloaded. Guess what Tim, might as well not
have bothered. On the Gmail site there is a combo box which must be set to
remove emails once your email client has downloaded it from the site.

Now began the fun. When I set up my new account in Mail over forty thousand
emails landed in my inbox. I began the process of deleting them, but of
course, as fast as I deleted them another copy was downloaded to my inbox.
This is when I went to Gmail and found what was wrong and put matters right.
I think poor old Mail just got totally overwhelmed. Once my mail boxes on
Google had been completely zeroed I then deleted my Gmail account together
with the account from my previous provider. I then created my new account
and was relieved to see that all my mailboxes were empty. So far, Mail is
behaving as it should and is a pleasure to use.

On the point about my issue with focus Tim, I agree totally. It is not a
problem for me to get around this minor issue. However, for my wife it is
rather more of a headache. I do not have to sign in when I boot up my Mac
each time, but she has too. I think this has something to do with iCloud. It
is then that the problem with focus can be a bit of a pain. I have a friend
who has the exact same problem and it is driving him up the wall. Perhaps
you, or someone else on the list, might know how to bypass this login
screen.
Best Wishes:
Martin 

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Would either a private dev or public beta tester of Sierra please contact me off list?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I might have found a really severe bug with Voiceover that didn't exist in the 
first private beta seed of Sierra.

Due to NDA, I cannot, and will not discuss this matter on list, but if you'll 
write me privately, I'd like to see if anyone else on here running Sierra can 
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1.  You're either running the public beta of Sierra, or am on the private 
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2.  You must be running a macbook.  It doesn't matter what generation, nor 
model, just as long as it's some form of a portible mac computer, like an Air, 
a macbook, a macbook pro, etc.

Aside this, I cannot say anything further.  I only give this much info so that 
the correct potential people I need to talk to with the correct needed hardware 
will be known.

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My e-mail is:

clgillan...@gmail.com

I give Mark the full finalization right to close this thread at any given time 
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Re: Mac mini 2012

[Portia Scott]

Whoops, stupid dictation. I meant that it arrived at 3 o'clock
yesterday, and came with the adapter. LOL.

On 7/8/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It arrived around three o'clock in the afternoon it yesterday, and
> didn't come with an eye doctor. Unfortunately, I do not have a TV to
> hook the adapter into, but just have the HDMI part in the Mac mini
> port. I will definitely look into this fit headless device, When I
> have more money next month. Sounds like it will definitely be very
> useful.
>
> Portia.
>
> On 7/8/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>> Hi. Mine works fine without a monitor but I always use my telly as a
>> monitor.
>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 21:03, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>
>>> As far as I know, all the minis still need to think they are connected
>>> to
>>> a monitor, apparently it's not the hardware, but the mac operating
>>> system
>>> that has the issue if no monitor is connected. There is an adapter
>>> called
>>> the fit headless that will get around this problem.
>>> Original message:
 Hello all,
>>>
 Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini
 from that  year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would
 I need? Thank you.
>>>
 Portia.
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Re: Mac mini 2012

[Portia Scott]

Hi all,

It arrived around three o'clock in the afternoon it yesterday, and
didn't come with an eye doctor. Unfortunately, I do not have a TV to
hook the adapter into, but just have the HDMI part in the Mac mini
port. I will definitely look into this fit headless device, When I
have more money next month. Sounds like it will definitely be very
useful.

Portia.

On 7/8/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> Hi. Mine works fine without a monitor but I always use my telly as a
> monitor.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 21:03, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>
>> As far as I know, all the minis still need to think they are connected to
>> a monitor, apparently it's not the hardware, but the mac operating system
>> that has the issue if no monitor is connected. There is an adapter called
>> the fit headless that will get around this problem.
>> Original message:
>>> Hello all,
>>
>>> Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini
>>> from that  year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would
>>> I need? Thank you.
>>
>>> Portia.
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RE: track pad what can one do with it

[Rhonda Partain]

Thanks so much. I have listened to a few minutes, and I think I'm going to 
purchase one.
Rhonda

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Davert
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 8:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: track pad what can one do with it

Many of the gestures you know from the iPhone are the same: double tap to open, 
flick left and right to go to previous and next item, flick up and down to move 
through whatever the rotor is set to, etc. There are also gestures to do things 
like interact, move to certain parts of the operating system, etc. Here's a 
podcast, if you're in to that sort of thing, I did awhile back, which was 3 
years ago, but all the info in it is still accurate.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-gestures-trackpad-mac-making-navigation-mac-similar-ios

Scott

On 7/8/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Open and do a lot of other things,
> It’s just your phone but built in to the computer or connected to yoru 
> computer for using as a mouse
>
> Same thing yo get at the front of a mac notebook for a mouse pad.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Thanks, I am great with my iPhone, was wondering if a trackpad would 
> help me. Can one open applications or just adjust settings?
>
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >
> Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Rhonda,
>
> The track pa makes things very accessible It is a mouse type device  
> And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we 
> would use the iPhone or iPad touch screan.
>
> Including giving us a roter for finer working.
>
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >
> Subject: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
> Rhonda
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[John JD Denning]

Greetings, I would be very interested. I'm a very long time Mac user. But very 
new to relying on voiceover. So I have much to learn. And would sure appreciate 
the opportunity.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 08:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
> of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
> their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  
> I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group 
> setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
> interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
> devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
> Accessing right click context menus
> Navigating the dock, and what is it
> Switching between opened applications
> The Running applications window
> Switching between opened windows within an application
> The Window chooser
> System Preferences, and useful configurations
> The Finder, and basic navigation
> Opening files/folders
> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
> The Finder sidebar
> The finder browser
> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
> Changing between the three different views
> Renaming files/folders
> Copy/pasting files/folders
> Selecting files/folders contiguously
> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
> Adding items to the dock
> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
> Closing opened windows
> Quitting applications
> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
> Hiding vs. minimizing
> Zooming vs. maximizing
> Closing vs. quitting
> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
> Basic word processing/text editting
> A very basic introduction to Pages
> A very basic introduction to Numbers
> A very basic introduction to Keynote
> The mac App Store
> Software Update
> Disk Utility
> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
> The notification Center
> Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
> An intro to the stocked DVD player
> An intro to Airplay
> Booting into System Recovery
> Imaging your drive with Super Duper
> Time Machine, and its uses
> Migration Assistant, and its uses
> Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
> Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
> An intro to Activity Monitor
> An intro to ICloud Drive
> An Intro to Keychain Manager
>  
> The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and 
> answerring any questions which may have not already been covered.
>  
> Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed 
> certifiquet certifying their full completion in the corse.
>  
> Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
> group to complete for the next class.
>  
> If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, I am giving 
> you a $300 value.  Normally, this corse is charged at $300, but seeing how 
> many on this list have lately seemed to be struggling, I believe 

Re: track pad what can one do with it

[Scott Davert]

Many of the gestures you know from the iPhone are the same: double tap
to open, flick left and right to go to previous and next item, flick
up and down to move through whatever the rotor is set to, etc. There
are also gestures to do things like interact, move to certain parts of
the operating system, etc. Here's a podcast, if you're in to that sort
of thing, I did awhile back, which was 3 years ago, but all the info
in it is still accurate.
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/using-gestures-trackpad-mac-making-navigation-mac-similar-ios

Scott

On 7/8/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Open and do a lot of other things,
> It’s just your phone but built in to the computer or connected to yoru
> computer for using as a mouse
>
> Same thing yo get at the front of a mac notebook for a mouse pad.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Thanks, I am great with my iPhone, was wondering if a trackpad would help
> me. Can one open applications or just adjust settings?
>
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Rhonda,
>
> The track pa makes things very accessible
> It is a mouse type device
>  And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would
> use the iPhone or iPad touch screan.
>
> Including giving us a roter for finer working.
>
> From:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: track pad what can one do with it
>
> Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
> Rhonda
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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Andy]

Hi Simon.

I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, just 
to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!


  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
  Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back


  Andy,

   

  Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy
  Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

   

  Hi Arnold.

   

  I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
the way I like it!

   

  I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
every new experience and see this learning experience as an important milestone 
in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it aint!

   

   

  I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm a 
happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
importantly, I'll enjoy it!

   

  Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
different!

   

  Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.

   

  Very best wishes.

  Andy.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Katie Zodrow 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

 

Hi Arnold.

That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:

  Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other 
messages, I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new 
one back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.

   

  Arnold Schmidt

- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM

Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

 

Hi arnld,

Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?

That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the 
apple os.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. My 
information that I would like you to have been say is below in my signature. I 
had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I will say this, 
I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't work with Jaws with 
my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for Arnold this is for anybody 
who has trouble with the Mac still free to use interviews my information in my 
signature as well as you wish.

Joseph Hudson

Email

jhud7...@gmail.com

I device support

Telephone

2543007667

Skype

joseph.hudson89 facebook

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Twitter

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FaceTime/iMessage

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  On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt  
wrote:

  I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past 
two weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after 
all yesterday, which was my last day to return it.  

  To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just 
wasn't getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would 
turn it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that 
I thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more frustrating 
than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in Windows, or on my 
iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real benefit to me?  ITunes 
allegedly easier to use, and being able to install the OS myself.  

  Being that yesterday 

Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Ann Smith]

Good morning, I am so glad that you were offering this conference. I myself 
have a 2.5-month-old MacBook air 11.6 inch. I also have four other people that 
would be interested in your conference.
One of them has had their MacBook for a little over year, and the others 
various time frames with the oldest person having there for about four. All of 
them I know would be able to gain a lot of information and help other people 
besides.
When do you think you might start this telephone conference? I really need some 
help right now.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
> mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>  
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say 
> out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to 
> an hour out of that timeframe.
>  
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
> Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour  class on the 
> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for 
> this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in 
> a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture  based.  I would make 
> them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of 
> the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better 
> understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum 
> would be:
>  
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
> Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
> Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
> Basic VO keyboard navigation
> Basic VO trackpad navigation
> Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
> Completing the first time setup assistant
> Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
> The basics of Quick Nav
> Accessing and navigating menu bars
> Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
> Connecting to a wifi network
> Configuring Finder view options to your liking
> Accessing right click context menus
> Navigating the dock, and what is it
> Switching between opened applications
> The Running applications window
> Switching between opened windows within an application
> The Window chooser
> System Preferences, and useful configurations
> The Finder, and basic navigation
> Opening files/folders
> Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
> The Finder sidebar
> The finder browser
> Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
> Changing between the three different views
> Renaming files/folders
> Copy/pasting files/folders
> Selecting files/folders contiguously
> Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
> Adding items to the dock
> Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
> Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
> Closing opened windows
> Quitting applications
> Force quitting applications, and when to do so
> An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
> An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
> Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
> Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
> Hiding vs. minimizing
> Zooming vs. maximizing
> Closing vs. quitting
> Setting some useful preferences for Safari
> Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
> One dedicated class to working with E-mail
> Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes
> The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it
> Basic word processing/text editting
> A very basic introduction to Pages
> A very basic introduction to Numbers
> A very basic introduction to Keynote
> The mac App Store
> Software Update
> Disk Utility
> An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal
> The notification Center
> Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses
> An intro to the stocked DVD player
> An intro to Airplay
> Booting into System Recovery
> Imaging your drive with Super Duper
> Time Machine, and its uses
> Migration Assistant, and its uses
> Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX
> Troubleshooting misbehaving login items
> An intro to Activity Monitor
> An intro to ICloud Drive
> An Intro to Keychain Manager
>  
> The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and 
> answerring any questions which may have not already been covered.
>  
> Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed 
> certifiquet certifying their full completion 

For Tim

[Martin Brown]

On your first question Tim, it is pop.
Secondly, When I load mail, it has focus on the inbox of my Gmail account.
I then tab into my list of emails.
If there is an email I wish to read, I press VO plus J to enter the body of
the text. To return to the list of emails again I press VO plus J again. To
move back to my list of mail boxes, I press shift together with the tab key.

As I write this reply, Mail seems to be behaving much better. Bear with me
for a moment and I shall try to explain what I done. As I have said in an
earlier email I have not been on my Mac for quite a while. However during
that time I changed my email provider to Google. Since that time I have been
using Outlook on my Windows machine. Of course, I had made sure to  check
the appropriate check box telling Outlook not to leave a copy of an email on
the server once it had been downloaded. Guess what Tim, might as well not
have bothered. On the Gmail site there is a combo box which must be set to
remove emails once your email client has downloaded it from the site.

Now began the fun. When I set up my new account in Mail over forty thousand
emails landed in my inbox. I began the process of deleting them, but of
course, as fast as I deleted them another copy was downloaded to my inbox.
This is when I went to Gmail and found what was wrong and put matters right.
I think poor old Mail just got totally overwhelmed. Once my mail boxes on
Google had been completely zeroed I then deleted my Gmail account together
with the account from my previous provider. I then created my new account
and was relieved to see that all my mailboxes were empty. So far, Mail is
behaving as it should and is a pleasure to use.

On the point about my issue with focus Tim, I agree totally. It is not a
problem for me to get around this minor issue. However, for my wife it is
rather more of a headache. I do not have to sign in when I boot up my Mac
each time, but she has too. I think this has something to do with iCloud. It
is then that the problem with focus can be a bit of a pain. I have a friend
who has the exact same problem and it is driving him up the wall. Perhaps
you, or someone else on the list, might know how to bypass this login
screen.
Best Wishes:
Martin 

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
upgrades. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
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For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days of 
mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.

I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of story!  
There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd say out of an 
8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 minutes to an hour out 
of that timeframe.

So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the basics 
of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used Windows all 
their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge for this class.  I 
would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you all in a group setting. 
 The classes would not be all lecture based.  I would make them very 
interactive.  This means, though I might have a small portion of the class 
devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping you all better understand 
Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum would be:

  a.. Deciding which mac is right for you 
  b.. The differences in keyboard layouts 
  c.. Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys 
  d.. Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys 
  e.. Turning on your mac for the very first time ever 
  f.. Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help 
  g.. Basic VO keyboard navigation 
  h.. Basic VO trackpad navigation 
  i.. Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation 
  j.. Completing the first time setup assistant 
  k.. Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why 
  l.. The basics of Quick Nav 
  m.. Accessing and navigating menu bars 
  n.. Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are 
  o.. Connecting to a wifi network 
  p.. Configuring Finder view options to your liking 
  q.. Accessing right click context menus 
  r.. Navigating the dock, and what is it 
  s.. Switching between opened applications 
  t.. The Running applications window 
  u.. Switching between opened windows within an application 
  v.. The Window chooser 
  w.. System Preferences, and useful configurations 
  x.. The Finder, and basic navigation 
  y.. Opening files/folders 
  z.. Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives 
  aa.. The Finder sidebar 
  ab.. The finder browser 
  ac.. Icon, list, and column views within the Finder 
  ad.. Changing between the three different views 
  ae.. Renaming files/folders 
  af.. Copy/pasting files/folders 
  ag.. Selecting files/folders contiguously 
  ah.. Selecting file/folders noncontiguously 
  ai.. Adding items to the dock 
  aj.. Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them 
  ak.. Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media 
  al.. Closing opened windows 
  am.. Quitting applications 
  an.. Force quitting applications, and when to do so 
  ao.. An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility 
  ap.. An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting 
  aq.. Routing the mouse pointer 
  ar.. Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus 
  as.. Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors 
  at.. Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help 
  au.. Hiding vs. minimizing 
  av.. Zooming vs. maximizing 
  aw.. Closing vs. quitting 
  ax.. Setting some useful preferences for Safari 
  ay.. Two dedicated classes to surfing the web 
  az.. One dedicated class to working with E-mail 
  ba.. Three dedicated classes to the basics of ITunes 
  bb.. The extreme basics of Quicktime, and why you'd need it 
  bc.. Basic word processing/text editting 
  bd.. A very basic introduction to Pages 
  be.. A very basic introduction to Numbers 
  bf.. A very basic introduction to Keynote 
  bg.. The mac App Store 
  bh.. Software Update 
  bi.. Disk Utility 
  bj.. An incredibly extremely basic intro to Terminal 
  bk.. The notification Center 
  bl.. Audio/Midi Setup, and its rare uses 
  bm.. An intro to the stocked DVD player 
  bn.. An intro to Airplay 
  bo.. Booting into System Recovery 
  bp.. Imaging your drive with Super Duper 
  bq.. Time Machine, and its uses 
  br.. Migration Assistant, and its uses 
  bs.. Installing, reinstalling, and clean installing OSX 
  bt.. Troubleshooting misbehaving login items 
  bu.. An intro to Activity Monitor 
  bv.. An intro to ICloud Drive 
  bw.. An Intro to Keychain Manager

The final class will be wishing everyone farewell with the mac, and answerring 
any questions which may have not already been covered.

Upon completion, everyone would receive an electronically e-mailed certifiquet 
certifying their full completion in the corse.

Along the way, some weeks will have weekly assignments which I will ask the 
group to complete for the next class.

If I do this for you guys, and I do it for free, then realize, I am giving you 
a $300 value.  Normally, this corse is charged at $300, but seeing how many on 
this 

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, cause Apple told me it wasn't compatible, which I found really odd.

This unit is an I5.  It currently has 8GB ram, and a 500GB platter drive.  I'm 
wanting to say 5400RPM.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 7:07 AM
  Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


  Hi Chris,

   

  Yes to both.

   

  Ssd is an option as is a fusion drive.

   

  I have a late 2012 mac mini with I7 2.6 quad core and 16 gb ram with 1tb 
fusion which I believe has 128 gb ssd with the 1tb platter 

   

  I wasn’t allowed to have it dual drive with 256 gb ssd  as that hikes the 
price up a lot.

  Or at least here in nz.

   

  You can I believe get dual ssd of up to 512 gb drives 

   

  But yes fusion & ssd are available.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:40 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

   

  Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked platter 
drive?

  ---
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- Original Message - 

From: Simon Fogarty 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM

Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

 

Hi Arnold,

 

That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

 

As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram 
and you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

 

I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
same with my current mac mini from 2012.

 

Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

 

Good luck with it 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

 

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 

 

Arnold Schmidt

 

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OSX Server will do a lot of this, but that said, I don't think it would 
integrade over to Active Directory Services on Windows, which it sounds like 
you need.


Yeah, this would be one reason to hold onto a Windows installation. 
Shruggs.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:59 AM
Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back


Sandy mark and others,

Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.

As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.


 But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os vms 
which you can't do on a windows machine,
 The mac os and voiceover allow for the same usage of the touch pad on a 
notebook such as my mac book air to be used like I use my iPhone touch 
screan.


 What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on 
the mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory 
domain inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and 
removing users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with 
Group policies in some OU's for the organisation.


But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.

Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
domain inferstructure?


Cheers.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin Kruse

Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out 
what do people need, and take it from there.
As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write 
write. it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid 
questions are the once not asked.

Sandi

On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Arnold,

Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?
Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac
journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I
found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely
frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with Jaws for 
Windows.


There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they
merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to
themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of
frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does
something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
exploration, itself.


In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac
because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering
that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature
that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy
of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly
comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It
never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent
beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.

I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking
heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the
feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this,
reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.

But I digress.

My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local
Mac store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my
primary motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and
tired of Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and
low vision users--especially given that they had proven that it could
be done and that it could be done well.

Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of
many, the Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.

Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext,
etc are all marvelous accessibility tools.

Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows
and Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need
to choose one over the other.

I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be
disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when
you need to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my 
opinion.


Mark

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Re: Mac mini 2012

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. Mine works fine without a monitor but I always use my telly as a monitor. 
> On 7 Jul 2016, at 21:03, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> As far as I know, all the minis still need to think they are connected to a 
> monitor, apparently it's not the hardware, but the mac operating system that 
> has the issue if no monitor is connected. There is an adapter called the fit 
> headless that will get around this problem.
> Original message:
>> Hello all,
> 
>> Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini
>> from that  year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would
>> I need? Thank you.
> 
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

Yes to both.

Ssd is an option as is a fusion drive.

I have a late 2012 mac mini with I7 2.6 quad core and 16 gb ram with 1tb fusion 
which I believe has 128 gb ssd with the 1tb platter

I wasn’t allowed to have it dual drive with 256 gb ssd  as that hikes the price 
up a lot.
Or at least here in nz.

You can I believe get dual ssd of up to 512 gb drives

But yes fusion & ssd are available.

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked platter 
drive?
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM
Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hi Arnold,

That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram and 
you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the same 
with my current mac mini from 2012.

Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

Good luck with it
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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RE: track pad what can one do with it

[Simon Fogarty]

Open and do a lot of other things,
It’s just your phone but built in to the computer or connected to yoru computer 
for using as a mouse

Same thing yo get at the front of a mac notebook for a mouse pad.

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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 10:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it

Thanks, I am great with my iPhone, was wondering if a trackpad would help me. 
Can one open applications or just adjust settings?

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:14 AM
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Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it

Rhonda,

The track pa makes things very accessible
It is a mouse type device
 And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would use 
the iPhone or iPad touch screan.

Including giving us a roter for finer working.

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Subject: track pad what can one do with it

Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
Rhonda
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RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Simon Fogarty]

Sandy mark and others,

 Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.

 As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.

  But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os vms 
which you can't do on a windows machine,
  The mac os and voiceover allow for the same usage of the touch pad on a 
notebook such as my mac book air to be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.

  What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing users 
setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group policies in 
some OU's for the organisation.

 But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.

 Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
domain inferstructure?

Cheers.

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On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin Kruse
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out what 
do people need, and take it from there.
As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write write. 
it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid questions are 
the once not asked.
Sandi

On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Arnold,
>
> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac 
> journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I 
> found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely 
> frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with Jaws for 
> Windows.
>
> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of 
> frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
> exploration, itself.
>
> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
> comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It 
> never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent 
> beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
>
> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking 
> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the 
> feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, 
> reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>
> But I digress.
>
> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local 
> Mac store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my 
> primary motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and 
> tired of Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and 
> low vision users--especially given that they had proven that it could 
> be done and that it could be done well.
>
> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of 
> many, the Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>
> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, 
> etc are all marvelous accessibility tools.
>
> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows 
> and Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need 
> to choose one over the other.
>
> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be 
> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when 
> you need to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from 
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 
> 2000, learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  
> I know what I want to do, 

RE: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

[Simon Fogarty]

My iPHone has two factor authentication?

Where abouts is it I shoud be looking for this?

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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 2:36 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Two Factor Authentication Not an Option?

Hi all,
My sister had to turn off two step verification on her ID months ago so she 
could sign into the Apple TV 3. However, she went to turn on two factor 
authentication today, at my urging, but it's not anywhere. She has El Cap, 
iOS9, and watchOS2. Yet neither on the Mac, web, or iPhone is 2FA an option at 
all. It's not that it's dimmed, it's literally not there in any way. I enabled 
it on my account with no trouble, although I'm on iOS10. Still, all the 
articles I've read--including Apple's own--say to do exactly what I did. Why 
hers isn't working is beyond me. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked platter 
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  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM
  Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini


  Hi Arnold,

   

  That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

   

  As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram and 
you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

   

  I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
same with my current mac mini from 2012.

   

  Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

   

  Good luck with it 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
  Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

   

  It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 

   

  Arnold Schmidt

   

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Re: Mac mini 2012

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I have a late 2012 mini, and I also have a mid 2013.  Both minis came boxed 
with an HDMI to female V G A adapter, but I never saw anything in either of 
the boxes by default that went to DVI, nor to mini DVI, nor to thunderbolt.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:00 AM
Subject: RE: Mac mini 2012



Hi Portia

By default that model device should have a DVI adaptor
It will be or should be an HDMI to DVI adaptor.

I have a mac mini of 2012  also and it came with that adaptor.

You can also get an adaptor which is mini display / thunderbolt to vga
But by default it should have the HDMI  to DVI adaptor
You can also get a mini display to DVI
Or just to confuse things, HDMI to a screan or tv with HDMI also works 
great.


Hope that helps.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Portia Scott

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mac mini 2012

Hello all,

Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini from 
that  year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would I need? 
Thank you.


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RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Simon Fogarty]

Andy,

Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Arnold.

I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
the way I like it!

I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
every new experience and see this learning experience as an important milestone 
in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it aint!


I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member of 
this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm a 
happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
importantly, I'll enjoy it!

Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
different!

Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
From: Katie Zodrow
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Arnold.
That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I am 
checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back the end 
of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi arnld,
Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple os.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. My 
information that I would like you to have been say is below in my signature. I 
had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I will say this, 
I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't work with Jaws with 
my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for Arnold this is for anybody 
who has trouble with the Mac still free to use interviews my information in my 
signature as well as you wish.
Joseph Hudson
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On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two weeks, 
concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after all 
yesterday, which was my last day to return it.
To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't 
getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would turn it 
on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that I 
thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more frustrating 
than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in Windows, or on my 
iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real benefit to me?  ITunes 
allegedly easier to use, and being able to install the OS myself.
Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending to 
put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit trip to 
return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel.  So, I decided 
to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet.  I successfully 
passed the first step in the two-step verification, but then, no matter what I 
tried, I couldn't get it to read the security question it wanted answered.  No 
problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go on this Mac mini.  I could tell  the 
location for the answer field, I could find what should have been the question 

RE: First, or Second Generation Track Pad?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah I have the new magic trackpad 2  and I’m not sure but I find I have to 
push a bit harder to get it working  to recognise what the  gestures are

It’s got a more solid and I guess harder feel to the touch screan but it’s 
pretty good with battery life.
The lightening charging makes things easier as you can run it off the cable as 
well.

Also it has a on off switch in the back right corner which also locks the touch 
pad of the trackpad so it no longer can depress.

I still for some reason like the feel of how the older one works I think it’s 
just the not yet use to the new one.

Hope that makes sense.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of John JD Denning
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: First, or Second Generation Track Pad?

Hi, I have the original trackpad. It does eat batteries. I use rechargeable, 
and I seem to have to recharge them way too often. That's my only complaint 
about it. But because of that I'm actually not using it with voice over right 
now I just got tired of charging the batteries.

I would be interested if anyone has experience with both trackpads to know if 
there's any difference in usage. I need for voiceover.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:47, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
I have found a used first generation  track pad for $60, if it isn't gone 
already.  This sound like a good deal to me, but is the new one worth the extra 
money?  I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that the first generation one 
is perhaps easier to use, but that it loves batteries.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt
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RE: track pad what can one do with it

[Rhonda Partain]

Thanks, I am great with my iPhone, was wondering if a trackpad would help me. 
Can one open applications or just adjust settings? 

 

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On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:14 AM
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Subject: RE: track pad what can one do with it

 

Rhonda,

 

The track pa makes things very accessible 

It is a mouse type device 

 And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would use 
the iPhone or iPad touch screan.

 

Including giving us a roter for finer working.

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
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Subject: track pad what can one do with it

 

Can you access everything on the mac via track pad? 

Rhonda

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RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Arnold,

 I like you work 40 hours per week, I work for an organisation that is 
primarily windows machine, however we do have a truck load of Mac users also.

  In the past 6 years I've gone from having no mac knowledge to now being a 
competent user to the point my boss comes to me to ask questions and he has 
been using macs for about 20 years.

 I reimage all my teams machines and have currently got a 2013 mac book air and 
2011 13 inch mac book pro sitting on my desk migrating data from the pro to the 
air via thunderbolt cable after I reimaged the air 

 I do this work myself and without sighted assistance 

I am currently typing this email on a mac book air 11 inch 2013  machine but a 
major bonus, I'm using windows 10 pro in boot camp.

 I am a windows power user including powershell and exchange plus active 
directory, 
 Windows is great but the mac does things windows doesn't allow such as having 
dual boot system  from the touch of a button.

I'm not saying I know it all but I've learnt a lot in 6 years and I know there 
is more to learn 

 It takes time but a notebook will give you both platforms on the go if you 
needed to be portable, the mac mini gives you the option of 2 platforms  at the 
touch of a button.

Take your time and think about what you require but know that the list your on 
has a lot of very knowledgable people that can answer most of your questions 
when you need to ask.

 Good luck and keep the positive  attitude 

Good luckl

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from Windows, 
having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000, learning to use 
the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what I want to do, but 
how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c copies something and 
control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I have come up with the 
best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and learn to do it.  Even if 
I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a whole lot I can do, in all 
caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned to do it, and will be able 
to speak? mac as well as windows.  That is a pretty good reason to do it.  I 
admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't have my iPhone, which apparently 
works a little better in Mac iTunes, than in windows iTunes.  We'll see, 
eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to work 40 hours a week, becoming 
proficient in mac would happen sooner. 
This was one of my vacation weeks.

Arnold Schmidt
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From: "Kimber Gardner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back


I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself
in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found
myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT
professional for thirty years, working all that time in the windows
environment, still I found the learning curve extremely daunting.

I've read this thread with great interest and I think the many
comments about total immersion while learning may have been the root
of my own failure with the Mac. Because I became frustrated in my
attempts to accomplish the simplest of tasks (like reading and
answering email), I frequently switched back to windows to do what I
needed to do. Consequently I lost whatever ground I had gained in the
Mac universe.

This is my rather long way of saying that while installing bootcamp on
a Mac may seem like no big deal to you (or anyone who is comfortable
with the Mac), for me that task seems like a mountain the size of
Everest. I suspect Arnold may feel the same.

Unlike Arnold I kept my Mac and still return to it from time to time.
I've been a devoted Apple user on the mobile platform for several
years and there is something that brings me back to the Mac again and
again. It may be just that I don't like to admit failure in the face
of any technology. I don't really know. About the only method I
haven't tried is one on one training. That may be my next (and
possibly final) step.

Kimber

On 7/7/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi arnld,
>
> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>
> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple
> os.
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>
> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer 

RE: track pad what can one do with it

[Simon Fogarty]

Rhonda,

The track pa makes things very accessible
It is a mouse type device
 And allows us with voiceover to use the trackpad in the same way we would use 
the iPhone or iPad touch screan.

Including giving us a roter for finer working.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Rhonda Partain
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: track pad what can one do with it

Can you access everything on the mac via track pad?
Rhonda
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

That mac mini if 2011 is up to 16 gig and yes it's just a case of turning it on 
it's back and twisting the base off then finding the ram which isn't difficult 
if you know what it feels like about 2.5 inchs long by an inch wide and as thin 
as  a credit card slid in on a slight angle  one behind the other.

You push the sides outwards for the holder of the ram and it then flicks up 
slightly which you can then grab and remove it.  Easy enough if you've done it, 
interesting learn if you haven't.
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On Behalf Of Portia Scott
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 5:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, you can 
upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be upgraded that 
much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.

Portia.

On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
> Hey Arnold,
>
> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>
> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>
> Portia.
>
> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
>> 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
>> They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
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RE: First, or Second Generation Track Pad?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Arnold,

I have both models of track pad and I do prefer the original magic track pad
The newer one seems firmer and less  pliable  but the lightening connector does 
make it more effiscant  on battery life.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: First, or Second Generation Track Pad?

I have found a used first generation  track pad for $60, if it isn't gone 
already.  This sound like a good deal to me, but is the new one worth the extra 
money?  I read somewhere, I don't remember where, that the first generation one 
is perhaps easier to use, but that it loves batteries.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Arnold,

That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.

As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram and 
you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.

I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the same 
with my current mac mini from 2012.

Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.

Good luck with it
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

Arnold Schmidt
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RE: can't find an installed program

[Simon Fogarty]

Command shift and a opens the application folder and in there will be your apps 
installed.

Or use spotlight.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 3:10 AM
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Subject: can't find an installed program

This is probably a stupid question, but where can I find a program I installed 
on my mac? I got the message that the installation was complete, but don’t see 
the program on the doc.
Thanks.
Rhonda
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RE: Mac mini 2012

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Portia

By default that model device should have a DVI adaptor 
It will be or should be an HDMI to DVI adaptor.

I have a mac mini of 2012  also and it came with that adaptor.

 You can also get an adaptor which is mini display / thunderbolt to vga 
But by default it should have the HDMI  to DVI adaptor 
You can also get a mini display to DVI 
 Or just to confuse things, HDMI to a screan or tv with HDMI also works great.

Hope that helps.

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Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 2:57 AM
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Subject: Mac mini 2012

Hello all,

Earlier this month, I purchased a Mac mini 2012. Does the Mac mini from that  
year, need a DVI adapter? If so, what kind of adapter would I need? Thank you.

Portia.

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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find
out what do people need, and take it from there.
As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i
use windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write
write. it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid
questions are the once not asked.
Sandi

On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Arnold,
>
> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  Because, you
> remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac journey.  This is
> to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I found that learning how
> to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely frustrating, at first--especially
> given my then expertise with Jaws for Windows.
>
> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they merely
> wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to themselves
> that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of frustration with
> the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does something can, in many
> instances directly affect the outcome of the exploration, itself.
>
> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac because I
> was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering that they
> deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature that shipped with
> the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy of that particular beta
> which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly comprehensive installation
> experience for a totally blind user.  It never crossed my mind that they
> would pull that feature in subsequent beta releases which, as it turned out,
> they did.
>
> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking
> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the feature
> as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, reliving the
> experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>
> But I digress.
>
> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local Mac
> store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my primary
> motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and tired of
> Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and low vision
> users--especially given that they had proven that it could be done and that
> it could be done well.
>
> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of many, the
> Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>
> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, etc are
> all marvelous accessibility tools.
>
> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows and
> Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need to choose
> one over the other.
>
> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be
> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when you need
> to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000,
> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what
> I want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c
> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I
> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and
> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a
> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I
> learned to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That
> is a pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I
> didn't have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes,
> than in windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have
> to work 40 hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner.
> This was one of my vacation weeks.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>
>
> I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself
> in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
> Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found
> myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT
> professional for thirty years, working all