Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Scott.  How are you? I read braille, but I don't use it so much with my 
Iphone, only sometimes! However, my boyfriend is a braille user to his iPhone 
since he is deafblind. I really want him to get IOS 10. Why do you say it wil 
not work with the mail app? H euse that a lot with his focus 14 display. I know 
you are nto allow to mention it before he release, but do you have any ideas 
why it may not work yet. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and 
God bless!

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> On Sep 9, 2016, at 4:01 PM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> If you're a braille display user and use the Mail app heavily, I'd
> hold off on updating. More details to follow on release day.
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On 9/9/16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Not for my Bose AE 2 wireless.
>> But i think this is more a Bose problem than an Apple one.
>> I am not sure how to update the firmware on my Bose headphones.
>> /A
>>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Update with out hesitation, it’s a great release.  It fixes a lot of the
>>> audio routing problems as well at least the ones I was having so well
>>> worth it in my case and I feel it will be for others as well.
>>> 
>>> The mac OSX release is also very very good.  Update em if you got em.
>>> 
>>> For what it’s worth, this is the best software release Apple has done post
>>> Jobs in my opinion.  Not necessarily for features but more for stability
>>> and just a good all around solid release with fewer bugs than previous
>>> whole number updates.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Robin  wrote:
 
 Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as WhetherOrNot
 to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its Launched ON
 Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime MoreSpecifically
 ForTotallyBlind users?
 JustWonderin'
 At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
> Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as well
> as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while longer.  Hang
> in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
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> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
> 
> 
>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
>> else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
>>> features in IOS10?
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
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RE: Only Apple could do this.

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah but we do it by country and lets face it our country is only a population 
of 4.5 million people.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 11 September 2016 1:29 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.

Right, in my state it’s 0% sales tax, Yipee!

Funny how we do it by state or even town here.  Some towns / areas have 
different taxes in the same state.  Palm Beach county is an example where the 
tax is a bit higher than the surrounding state of Florida.  I luckily live in a 
right wing state with no taxes including sales.:)  We have a wicked lumber 
export tax though.;)
I used to order everything on amazon to get around the sales tax when I lived 
in California.  Our local sales tax was 10% and this was before amazon was 
forced to charge tax so that was a huge savings.


On Sep 10, 2016, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

Yes, and, it includes 15% GST. US prices do not include sales tax′ That said, 
it is about $150 cheaper in Australia. Australia has a 10% GST which is 
included in the price. GST is Goods and Services Tax.

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On 10 Sep 2016, at 22:44, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
Wow!

Wow, wow wow!

In US dollars you’re paying over $1050 for the same phone I can order for $649. 
 SO in your dollars our base price would be $889 NZ currency.  That’s a hell of 
an import tax rate.

On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Starting price of 7 here is the 32 gig
1199.00 and that’s the 7, the 7+ is 1399 I believe.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.

Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 NZ 
currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you PayPal me 
the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import tax.;)
speaking in theoretical of course.;)


On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

I honestly couldn’t tell you.

Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
we’re probably paying more.

You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
company who can charge high interest rates.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.

Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these devices 
so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um “creative” on the 
sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of money.

On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.

What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the new 
updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
 This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch

But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,

If only I could currently afford it.

From: 
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 On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
To: Macvisionaries 
>
Subject: Only Apple could do this.

Hi.

I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water would 
come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.

I’m definitely getting the new watch.  Does anyone know how independent it is 
from the I phone?

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RE: Ios10 and accessibility

[Simon Fogarty]

Also, Steve jobs was the key behind the new ideas.

Realistically what has changed on the iPhone since Jobbs died?

There really has been nothing outstanding with its design or configuration 
since it origionally came out


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 11 September 2016 1:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility

Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming out until 
much closer to the events.

Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to create 
publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an engineer left his phone 
in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year that happened though was faked / 
staged.

Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present model is 
released.

Great point Mary.

On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big difference 
with regard to what we know before an event even starts now than there was when 
he was around. I mean really. What hardware surprises were there? Not many. And 
that has been true for the last several presentations. Leaks are all over the 
place in the tech press these days. It kind of takes some of the "wow" factor 
out.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used to 
be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman let’s put 
it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business the other day how 
they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.

I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.



On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:

Hi!
I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
It was more like a show than a presentation.
/A
On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. 
> wrote:

This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer to 
wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new releases. 
And to read AppleVis.

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On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.

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On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin 

> wrote:

Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
JustWonderin'
At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
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- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>
To: >
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility


Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
else. Alex Hall can confirm this.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
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On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson
> wrote:

Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
features in IOS10?

Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: new Mac

[Kliphton Miller]

It looks like apple may refresh there mac line next month.  I would hold off a 
bit just in case they do, either you will get a good price on the 2015 models, 
or see a 2016 model you may want to get.  JMO
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On Sep 10, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:
> 
> Hi guys: 
> Hope all is going well. I currently have a 2010 15 inch Macbook pro, 500 GB 
> HD, cor i7 processor. Basically, when I got it, I customized it with the max 
> customizations that Apple had at the time. I bought it around March, or April 
> 2010, when ever this particular Mac came out. it has served me very well, but 
> is slowing down, and the battery isn’t lasting. Apple will not repair, or 
> replace any parts.
> I’m currently looking at either the 2015 MBP 13 inch, or 2015 MBA 13 inch. My 
> two questions are, which of these two would better handle Voiceover? Second 
> question, if you could only pick one, would you upgrade the RAM or CPU?
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Issue with Safari

[denise avant]

Hello everyone,
Sometime when I use the Safari browser, I have a problem with activating the 
picker item so I can arrow to one of the choices. vo spacebar does not work. 
Can anyone provide me with any further assistance. thanks.

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Re: Safari & credit cards

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I will feel a lot safer with ApplePay!

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:55 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I dono, maybe I'm just weird, but after in 2006 being frauded over 12K, I am 
> incredibly leery about this sort of thing.  Maybe I shouldn't be, but... 
> passwords... that's one thing, but I do not! and will not! store credit card 
> or any sort of financial banking stuff.  I think it's all just in how much 
> you trust.  Me?  I don't, but that's life.
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> - Original Message -
> From: Alex Hall
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Safari & credit cards
> 
> I, too, use iCloud Keychain to store this kind of data. If you trust a 
> third-party, cross-platform solution like One Password or Last Pass, iCloud 
> is as good or better in terms of security. I have a strong password and two 
> factor authentication enabled, so feel as secure as any technology can make 
> me in using iCloud Keychain.
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 18:42, Andrew McKay  wrote:
>> 
>> I store credit cards in ICloud.  Keychain has industry best encryption. It 
>> is safe/safer than third party options.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:27 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Safari & credit cards
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Who’s comfortable storing their credit card info in Safari for autofill 
>> check out while shopping?  How secure is this on the Mac?  Any tips or 
>> advice for or against?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
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Re: new Mac

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

It appears they all have SSD options. I didn’t see any standard HD choices.
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Andrew McKay  wrote:
> 
> I would echo everything Alex said.  If you ever want to run Windows in a VM, 
> memory is key.  A solid state drive though is the most game changing.  Think 
> towards the future though--a little more investment might mean an extra year 
> or two considering how long Apple hardware holds up.
>  
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> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:19 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: new Mac
>  
> Either will handle VoiceOver just fine. Your biggest enhancement will come if 
> you can switch to a solid state drive, which will make app launching, opening 
> new windows, loading files, and other tasks a great deal faster.
>  
> If I could only pick one, it would depend on what I was planning to do. Run 
> Windows virtually: ram. Encode videos: CPU. Do a *lot* at once: ram. get 
> smoother overall performance: CPU. If possible, upgrade to 8GB of ram, then 
> get the best processor you can with your budget. You can get away with 4GB of 
> ram, but nowadays I don't recommend it.
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 19:01, Sarai Bucciarelli > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi guys: 
>> Hope all is going well. I currently have a 2010 15 inch Macbook pro, 500 GB 
>> HD, cor i7 processor. Basically, when I got it, I customized it with the max 
>> customizations that Apple had at the time. I bought it around March, or 
>> April 2010, when ever this particular Mac came out. it has served me very 
>> well, but is slowing down, and the battery isn’t lasting. Apple will not 
>> repair, or replace any parts.
>> I’m currently looking at either the 2015 MBP 13 inch, or 2015 MBA 13 inch. 
>> My two questions are, which of these two would better handle Voiceover? 
>> Second question, if you could only pick one, would you upgrade the RAM or 
>> CPU?
>> 
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RE: new Mac

[Andrew McKay]

I would echo everything Alex said.  If you ever want to run Windows in a VM, 
memory is key.  A solid state drive though is the most game changing.  Think 
towards the future though--a little more investment might mean an extra year or 
two considering how long Apple hardware holds up.

 

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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:19 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: new Mac

 

Either will handle VoiceOver just fine. Your biggest enhancement will come if 
you can switch to a solid state drive, which will make app launching, opening 
new windows, loading files, and other tasks a great deal faster.

 

If I could only pick one, it would depend on what I was planning to do. Run 
Windows virtually: ram. Encode videos: CPU. Do a *lot* at once: ram. get 
smoother overall performance: CPU. If possible, upgrade to 8GB of ram, then get 
the best processor you can with your budget. You can get away with 4GB of ram, 
but nowadays I don't recommend it.

On Sep 10, 2016, at 19:01, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:

 

Hi guys: 
Hope all is going well. I currently have a 2010 15 inch Macbook pro, 500 GB HD, 
cor i7 processor. Basically, when I got it, I customized it with the max 
customizations that Apple had at the time. I bought it around March, or April 
2010, when ever this particular Mac came out. it has served me very well, but 
is slowing down, and the battery isn’t lasting. Apple will not repair, or 
replace any parts.
I’m currently looking at either the 2015 MBP 13 inch, or 2015 MBA 13 inch. My 
two questions are, which of these two would better handle Voiceover? Second 
question, if you could only pick one, would you upgrade the RAM or CPU?


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Re: new Mac

[Cheree Heppe]

I would buy the smallest with the most processing power.  They all handle 
VoiceOver.  These are not Windows Machines.


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> Hi guys: 
> Hope all is going well. I currently have a 2010 15 inch Macbook pro, 500 GB 
> HD, cor i7 processor. Basically, when I got it, I customized it with the max 
> customizations that Apple had at the time. I bought it around March, or April 
> 2010, when ever this particular Mac came out. it has served me very well, but 
> is slowing down, and the battery isn’t lasting. Apple will not repair, or 
> replace any parts.
> I’m currently looking at either the 2015 MBP 13 inch, or 2015 MBA 13 inch. My 
> two questions are, which of these two would better handle Voiceover? Second 
> question, if you could only pick one, would you upgrade the RAM or CPU?
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Re: new Mac

[Alex Hall]

Either will handle VoiceOver just fine. Your biggest enhancement will come if 
you can switch to a solid state drive, which will make app launching, opening 
new windows, loading files, and other tasks a great deal faster.

If I could only pick one, it would depend on what I was planning to do. Run 
Windows virtually: ram. Encode videos: CPU. Do a *lot* at once: ram. get 
smoother overall performance: CPU. If possible, upgrade to 8GB of ram, then get 
the best processor you can with your budget. You can get away with 4GB of ram, 
but nowadays I don't recommend it.
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 19:01, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
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> Hi guys: 
> Hope all is going well. I currently have a 2010 15 inch Macbook pro, 500 GB 
> HD, cor i7 processor. Basically, when I got it, I customized it with the max 
> customizations that Apple had at the time. I bought it around March, or April 
> 2010, when ever this particular Mac came out. it has served me very well, but 
> is slowing down, and the battery isn’t lasting. Apple will not repair, or 
> replace any parts.
> I’m currently looking at either the 2015 MBP 13 inch, or 2015 MBA 13 inch. My 
> two questions are, which of these two would better handle Voiceover? Second 
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[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi guys: 
Hope all is going well. I currently have a 2010 15 inch Macbook pro, 500 GB HD, 
cor i7 processor. Basically, when I got it, I customized it with the max 
customizations that Apple had at the time. I bought it around March, or April 
2010, when ever this particular Mac came out. it has served me very well, but 
is slowing down, and the battery isn’t lasting. Apple will not repair, or 
replace any parts.
I’m currently looking at either the 2015 MBP 13 inch, or 2015 MBA 13 inch. My 
two questions are, which of these two would better handle Voiceover? Second 
question, if you could only pick one, would you upgrade the RAM or CPU?
 

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Re: Safari & credit cards

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I dono, maybe I'm just weird, but after in 2006 being frauded over 12K, I am 
incredibly leery about this sort of thing.  Maybe I shouldn't be, but... 
passwords... that's one thing, but I do not! and will not! store credit card or 
any sort of financial banking stuff.  I think it's all just in how much you 
trust.  Me?  I don't, but that's life.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Safari & credit cards


  I, too, use iCloud Keychain to store this kind of data. If you trust a 
third-party, cross-platform solution like One Password or Last Pass, iCloud is 
as good or better in terms of security. I have a strong password and two factor 
authentication enabled, so feel as secure as any technology can make me in 
using iCloud Keychain.

On Sep 10, 2016, at 18:42, Andrew McKay  wrote:


I store credit cards in ICloud.  Keychain has industry best encryption. It 
is safe/safer than third party options.

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Subject: Safari & credit cards

Hi all,

Who’s comfortable storing their credit card info in Safari for autofill 
check out while shopping?  How secure is this on the Mac?  Any tips or advice 
for or against?

Thank you,
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I, too, use iCloud Keychain to store this kind of data. If you trust a 
third-party, cross-platform solution like One Password or Last Pass, iCloud is 
as good or better in terms of security. I have a strong password and two factor 
authentication enabled, so feel as secure as any technology can make me in 
using iCloud Keychain.
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 18:42, Andrew McKay  wrote:
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> I store credit cards in ICloud.  Keychain has industry best encryption. It is 
> safe/safer than third party options.
> 
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Who’s comfortable storing their credit card info in Safari for autofill check 
> out while shopping?  How secure is this on the Mac?  Any tips or advice for 
> or against?
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[Cheree Heppe]

I own an Air and love the form factor.
The retina is elegant, but not as powerful.


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> On Sep 10, 2016, at 11:24, christopher hallsworth  
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> Yeah it does thank you. Will sleep on it.
>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:09, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I think your mac application screams MacBook air to me.  The pro is a real 
>> work course and has a lot of power you may not need.  The 15 especially has 
>> a lot of horse power and is probably over kill.  The air is super light, 
>> decently powered and has good performance for the money.  It’s also not to 
>> heavy and is great to just keep handy for doing exactly what you mention.  
>> If your girl friend wants to run windows and other operating systems in 
>> parallel or do heavy computing then go Pro but if you want to stick to the 
>> list you posted then by all means go for the air.  You can get a dual core 
>> I7 in the air and 512 MB of storage.  That’s pretty good.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:55 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my 
>>> girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem what 
>>> to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. But I 
>>> would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just reads emails, 
>>> browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to music, watching 
>>> Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook Air or 
>>> Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she would be used to 
>>> machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.
>>> 
>>> Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.
>>> 
>>> Kindest Regards
>>> Chris
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RE: Safari & credit cards

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I store credit cards in ICloud.  Keychain has industry best encryption. It is 
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Hi all,

Who’s comfortable storing their credit card info in Safari for autofill check 
out while shopping?  How secure is this on the Mac?  Any tips or advice for or 
against?

Thank you,
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Re: Safari & credit cards

[David Chittenden]

I do so. Apple / iCloud is quite secure. 

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> On 11 Sep 2016, at 08:27, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Who’s comfortable storing their credit card info in Safari for autofill check 
> out while shopping?  How secure is this on the Mac?  Any tips or advice for 
> or against?
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Safari & credit cards

[E.T.]

   Knot Eye. I put all such data into 1Password which works on OS X, 
iOS and Windows.


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On 9/10/2016 3:27 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

Hi all,

Who’s comfortable storing their credit card info in Safari for autofill check 
out while shopping?  How secure is this on the Mac?  Any tips or advice for or 
against?

Thank you,
Traci



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Re: Safari & credit cards

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I personally don't do it.
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Safari & credit cards

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Re: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

[Robin]

ThisChip W1Chip could Solely BelongTo Apple & 
Would ONLY Operate AppleDevices ... Apple's BlueTooth Channel

At 06:00 AM 9/9/2016, you wrote:

I don’t see how this works though.

The iPhone has a specific W1 chip included.  I 
don’t know if bluetooth is the underlying 
wireless protocol but none of the other devices 
have this W1 chip.  So how will my EarPods talk 
to my iPad air2 for example with no W1 
processor?  Must be some sort of bluetooth 
support under the hood for compatibility across 
the product line like that.  It wasn’t 
mentioned though so wondering how it works.  I 
was under the impression that the wireless 
connection itself was over a proprietary 
protocol and not bluetooth.  Would love to be wrong on that.



On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


hang On,
so if I pair these pods to my iPhone 6s+ which is running IOS 10,
and if my watch is running OS3 and my iPad and 
iPods are all running IOS 10 as well, these 
pods will automatically be picked up by those other devices?


Simply because I’m using my itunes account on all the devices.

Awesome,shame about the NZ price of the pods 
though, apple.co.nz shows 
them as being around 250 dollars when they are released.


Bloody cool though.

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Subject: AirPods hands-on: They stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

Here is some more on the air pods. They will 
work with your Mac or your iPad or other 
iPhones that are logged in to the same iCloud 
as your new iPhone  AirPods hands-on: They 
stayed in my ears and sounded awesome

Macworld  /  Susie Ochs


I didn’t want to like the 
AirPods, I 
really didn’t. But in the hands-on area after 
Apple’s iPhone 7 event on Wednesday, I found 
myself dancing along in spite of myself—and the 
AirPods stayed put, feeling surprisingly 
secure. With convvenient features on both the 
hardware and software sides, I have to admit 
that Apple’s totally-wireless AirPods kind of rocked my world.


When they’re in your ears, the AirPods kind 
of look like the old wired EarPods that someone 
snipped the wires off of. The earbud part fills 
your ear just as before, and a plastic stem 
hangs down a bit below your earlobe. They’re 
the same general shape as the EarPods and made 
from the same hard white plastic.


Now, that plastic has been a deal-breaker for 
me for years—I hate how normal EarPods feel iin 
my ears. They don’t seem like they’re going 
to stay put, and they simply fall out if I move 
my head too much. Even if they do stay in, 
after about a half hour, my ears just start to 
ache, although I don’t experience the same 
pain when using earbuds with silicone or foam 
tips. Since the AirPods look so similar, I 
expected them to feel the same too—and I’m 
surprised and happy to report that I was dead wroong.


Not only did I dance, I headbanged. I shook my 
head side to side, I tossed my hair, I jogged 
in place, and I looked silly doing all of it. 
The AirPods stayed put, and they stayed loud. 
The music (more Sia, naturally) sounded full 
and lush and I couldn’t hear a single word 
anyone around me was saying, as if I was 
completely sealed off in a bubble of rock and roll. Pretty impressive.



For Apple devices only



The AirPods’ special features are pretty 
impressive too, even though that specialness 
means they only work with Apple devices. You 
don’t need a brand-new iPhone or Apple Watch 
to use them, but they only support Apple 
devices running the latest operating systems: 
iOS 10, macOS Sierra, and watchOS 3. The 
AirPods use Bluetooth, so you would think maybe 
there’d be a way to pair them to an Android 
phone or an iOS 8 device since those have 
Bluetooth too, but there’s no button on the 
AirPods to put them into pairing mode. We’ll 
test to confirm when we get review units, but 
it seems like the AirPods will only be “seen† by Apple devices.

Susie Ochs

When the AirPods are in your ears, your paired 
iPhone will play to them automatically. See the little AirPods icon?


When you first flip open the glossy white 
carrying box—which looks like the most 
hhigh-tech pack of TicTacs ever—you’ll see a 
screen on your nnearby iPhone offering to pair. 
(That’s just the first time; you won’t have 
to do this every time you want to use the 
AirPods.) Once you’ve paired them to your 
iPhone, you can also use them the Apple Watch 
that’s paired to your iPhone, as well as with 
any iPad and Mac that’s signed in to the same 
iCloud account. I didn’t 

Re: Article from Digital trends continues. Only Apple could do this.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
Thanks for the clarification.  I do not use an iphone, but admit that 
seemed to be dreadfully faulty  designing if it were true.

Kare


On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


Kare, I’ve owned a lightning based device since the day it was release on the 
iPhone.  It has never popped out.  That is a red herring if I ever heard of 
one.  Try forgetting sometime to unplug your power cable or lightning port and 
let me know how that works out for you.:)  I’ve torn the end off a cable before 
with out it popping out.  This is one reason the apple Magsafe adapter is the 
way it is.  It’s just lightly attached to the side so if someone kicks your 
cable or you forget to detach it just pops clean, no damage to the board.

The claim the jack pops out is more clickbait.


On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Scot,
You do not think that having a part of a phone, i. e. the port, popping out 
when used is well a reason for concern?
certainly only serious audiophiles can tell the difference in sound quality, 
but the idea of  phone parts  being easily lost  seems important perhaps?
Kare


On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


The whole thing basically turned out to be a non event with some looking for 
click bate out of the deal.

I bet similar arguments happened when the jack was reduced from quarter inch to 
8th inch or when we started using 3 prong plugs instead of 2.  (try plugging 
something in modern in my mother’s house, you need an adapter lol)  I’ll date 
my self but anyone remember when phones switched from the 4 pin open connectors 
to the RJ-11?  How about round tube records to flat records, wire to tape.  Oh 
man could you imagine if this was 30 years ago and the argument would have been 
VHS verses Beta and the wrong one ended up being the standard.  Or the whole 
bluerey verses the other one that we don’t even remember any more.

Ah well, people need to generate traffic for their blogs and look important.


On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Change always elicits reactions like this. I am sure we all can think of many 
things that provoked similar reaction. Perhaps if a survey was taken where 
people were asked at what date would they like to see change stopped, the 
responses would be as numerous as the sand on the beach.

 There are changes happening that are much more important and critical than the 
loss of a headphone jack. But I will leave it at that.

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On 9/9/2016 2:20 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Hmm, he seems to be having a problematic atitude imho.
But its his problem.
/AS

On 9 Sep 2016, at 01:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi all,
Like Tim I have remained silent, waiting for what others in the industry 
expressed about  the headphone jack.
The article below  indicates that yes only Apple could do this...but frankly 
there is little reason for it to be done.  I found particularly interesting the 
weak nature of the lightning  port in terms of popping out of the phone if 
stressed, the less than stellar quality of both bluetooth and wireless 
headphones, at least if you care about sound quality, how quality could be 
achieved while keeping the jack,  and most interesting for those using audio, 
you cannot charge the phone and listen at the same time.  If it impacts music, 
will it also impact voiceover?
Article is below.  I leave it to others here for comments if any.
As the iPhone's headphone jack dies, Apple wins and you lose
By Caleb Denison -- September 7, 2016 4:09 PM

As predicted, Apple just killed off the headphone jack in the new
iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The familiar and universal 3.5mm
headphone jack -- also known as the 1/8-inch headphone jack and
TS jack -- is nowhere to be found on its new phones. Apple
wheeled out plenty of rationalizations for the decision, but at
the end of the day, it was a bad call, and a step back for the
forward-thinking tech giant.

We're talking about the same mini plug which was first used in
Sony's EFM-117J transistor radio in 1964, and which was
popularized for portable personal electronics with the original
Sony Walkman, released in 1979. The tech behind it goes back over
100 years, and we've been buying and collecting wired headphones
using this connector for over 36 years now. While Apple hasn't
left wired headphones completely in the dust, it has made
connecting them to its latest phones a big hassle.

We did it because ...

Apple Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller
boiled the decision to kill the headphone jack down to one word:
courage.

Yeah. That's one way to put it. Another might be: gamble.

Apple has done something it's never done before: alienating
millions of people.
Apple says it has a long-term vision for audio, which is
impressive considering it doesn't seem like it's had any vision
for audio at all until it 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

What really annoys me why do Apple always say ‘the best phone we’ve ever made’  
Time Cook started that first and this year Phil Shiller was at it again.  I can 
quote the exact phrase and the way Tim Cook says Good Morning, it’s different 
from how I’ve heard other American’s say it, makes me laugh every time.

Kawal.
> On 10 Sep 2016, at 14:14, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming out 
> until much closer to the events.
> 
> Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to create 
> publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an engineer left his 
> phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year that happened though was 
> faked / staged.
> 
> Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present model 
> is released.
> 
> Great point Mary.
>   
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big 
>> difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts now than 
>> there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware surprises were 
>> there? Not many. And that has been true for the last several presentations. 
>> Leaks are all over the place in the tech press these days. It kind of takes 
>> some of the "wow" factor out.  
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used 
>>> to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman 
>>> let’s put it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business the 
>>> other day how they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.
>>> 
>>> I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
 It was more like a show than a presentation.
 /A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T.  > wrote:
> 
> This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer 
> to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new 
> releases. And to read AppleVis.
> 
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> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
>> Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
>> a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
>> yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
>> in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
>> doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Jenny & Marmalade
>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com  
>> >
>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>> Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>> But the truth is,
>> I could no more stop dreaming,
>> Than I could make them all come true.”
>> — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin >> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
>>> WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
>>> Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
>>> MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
>>> JustWonderin'
>>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
 With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
 Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
 well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
 longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
 ---
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 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
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 >
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 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 

Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

That would be a good thing Scott for Apple to move to the UK and may be we’d 
get more stores as I’m going to the Apple store on the 16th to get both items 
rather than waiting.  I like to get my hands on things and buy the things to 
give my comments on the list and when the year is up no doubt I’ll sell the I 
;phone and get the next and that may be the last time for a long time for a 
while.  After all if you have the wireless charger I don’t know what next one 
would want on an I phone.

Kawal.
> On 10 Sep 2016, at 13:42, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> 1000 pounds is about 1200 dollars US, you range in the 1200 to 1300 range.  
> Google and Siri will do the specific calculation and conversion for you.
> 
> Here in the US, the base 7+ is $769 and the base 7 is $649 I believe.  The 
> watch I’m not sure my stainless steel version with band was about $500.  I 
> would expect you have a good deal of VAT and other taxes for importation.
> 
> BTW, Rumor has it Apple will be moving many jobs to your country because of 
> the attack by the EU on the company and because your country will be free 
> from the EU you’re able to give them a more favorable tax status and move a 
> lot of that work and well paying jobs away from EU control.  Ireland gave 
> Apple a 12% tax rate among other things and the EU is attacking both Ireland 
> and Apple for “back taxes”.  Since you did the right thing and left you can 
> dictate your own terms and Apple is supposedly in talks to move there and 
> bring that big pile of money with them.  Good move! 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I got the date wrong for when the products would come out in the UK.
>> 
>> Scott, is the I phone cheaper to buy from the US with Apple Care?
>> 
>> I did add the phone and Apple care to my basket for a grand total of 1000 
>> and 87 Pounds.  I wonder how much that would be in dollars.
>> 
>> The watch I want is going to be 1000 and eight pounds.
>> 
>> I got scared about the Special Program as I don’t want to be put in a 
>> contract with anyone as the products would not be mine until I had made all 
>> the payments so I intend to bite the bullet and get everything outright.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 14:05, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 
>>> NZ currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you 
>>> PayPal me the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import 
>>> tax.;)
>>> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 I honestly couldn’t tell you.
  
 Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  
 the fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being 
 open we’re probably paying more.
  
 You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
 company who can charge high interest rates.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
 Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
  
 Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
 devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
 “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
 money.
  
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
  
 It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
  
 What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with 
 the new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor 
 into
  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
  
 But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
  
 If only I could currently afford it.
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
 To: Macvisionaries >
 Subject: Only Apple could do this.
  
 Hi.
  
 I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water 
 would come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.
  
 

Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[Alex Hall]

No, it's different. The keys have much less space between them, and don't move 
as far down or up. It's harder to type on at first. I've only seen one in a 
store, not used it long-term, so can't say if it's something you get used to or 
not. Still, for more power and a better keyboard at the expense of more weight 
and thickness, the Air may be the best option.
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 14:44, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you. She is totally blind, so retina or non-retina she would not care 
> less about. Is the keyboard on the macbook like a standard Apple keyboard as 
> found on this Macbook Pro I’m writing on? If so, I’m sure she could handle 
> that. I’m going to give her lessons on the mac as early as our next vacation 
> towards Christmas so she has plenty of time to learn and practice.
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:36, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> The Air is definitely perfect for that list, but the Retina MacBook may also 
>> be an option. Only consider this if she can get used to the keyboard, and if 
>> a mobile processor with no fan is okay. This machine also has just one USB-C 
>> port and one audio jack. But its advantages are great battery, a very small 
>> size and weight, and--if she's sighted, she'll like--the retina display. The 
>> Air doesn't have nearly so good a screen. You should also wait until the end 
>> of the year, to see what Apple comes out with for Mac updates.
>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 14:24, christopher hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah it does thank you. Will sleep on it.
 On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:09, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 I think your mac application screams MacBook air to me.  The pro is a real 
 work course and has a lot of power you may not need.  The 15 especially 
 has a lot of horse power and is probably over kill.  The air is super 
 light, decently powered and has good performance for the money.  It’s also 
 not to heavy and is great to just keep handy for doing exactly what you 
 mention.  If your girl friend wants to run windows and other operating 
 systems in parallel or do heavy computing then go Pro but if you want to 
 stick to the list you posted then by all means go for the air.  You can 
 get a dual core I7 in the air and 512 MB of storage.  That’s pretty good.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:55 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my 
> girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem 
> what to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a 
> mac. But I would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just 
> reads emails, browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to 
> music, watching Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a 
> Macbook Air or Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she 
> would be used to machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.
> 
> Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.
> 
> Kindest Regards
> Chris
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RE: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[M. Taylor]

That did the trick, Anne.

Thank you.

Mark

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Subject: Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either 
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Hello Mark,

In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one direction, 
and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.

Cheers,

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> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
> 
> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
> 
> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via 
> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date 
> created, etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the 
> order, via VoiceOver.
> 
> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there 
> used to be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just 
> need a reminder on how this is done.
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Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[christopher hallsworth]

Thank you. She is totally blind, so retina or non-retina she would not care 
less about. Is the keyboard on the macbook like a standard Apple keyboard as 
found on this Macbook Pro I’m writing on? If so, I’m sure she could handle 
that. I’m going to give her lessons on the mac as early as our next vacation 
towards Christmas so she has plenty of time to learn and practice.


> On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:36, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> The Air is definitely perfect for that list, but the Retina MacBook may also 
> be an option. Only consider this if she can get used to the keyboard, and if 
> a mobile processor with no fan is okay. This machine also has just one USB-C 
> port and one audio jack. But its advantages are great battery, a very small 
> size and weight, and--if she's sighted, she'll like--the retina display. The 
> Air doesn't have nearly so good a screen. You should also wait until the end 
> of the year, to see what Apple comes out with for Mac updates.
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 14:24, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah it does thank you. Will sleep on it.
>>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:09, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think your mac application screams MacBook air to me.  The pro is a real 
>>> work course and has a lot of power you may not need.  The 15 especially has 
>>> a lot of horse power and is probably over kill.  The air is super light, 
>>> decently powered and has good performance for the money.  It’s also not to 
>>> heavy and is great to just keep handy for doing exactly what you mention.  
>>> If your girl friend wants to run windows and other operating systems in 
>>> parallel or do heavy computing then go Pro but if you want to stick to the 
>>> list you posted then by all means go for the air.  You can get a dual core 
>>> I7 in the air and 512 MB of storage.  That’s pretty good.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:55 PM, christopher hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Hello everyone.
 
 I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my 
 girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem 
 what to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. 
 But I would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just reads 
 emails, browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to music, 
 watching Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook 
 Air or Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she would be 
 used to machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.
 
 Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.
 
 Kindest Regards
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Keynote questions

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I tried this a few years ago, but am again trying to make a slideshow for a 
presentation this Friday. I have questions, not surprisingly. I'm on the latest 
Keynote under 10.11, but I also plan to edit this on my iPhone.

* In the 'body' area, I wrote a list of items. If I arrow to the bottom of this 
text field and then down arrow once more, I'm at the top of the field all of a 
sudden. Why?

* The default slide includes a title and a body. Should I just put my text in 
the body, or should things go into text fields? That is, how oxo you decide 
between a lot of text in one field and less text in multiple fields?

* How do you move items after you initially place them and exit the move mode?

* How, as a blind person, can I make better sense of my layout? The numbers are 
a good start, but I can't picture how it all comes together. I also don't know 
when text fits, or if I need to scroll.

* Speaking of which, how do you know how much text fits in a text box or other 
item? Or do they grow as you type?

* Is there any point in inserting shapes? Can you put text in them or something?

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Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[Alex Hall]

The Air is definitely perfect for that list, but the Retina MacBook may also be 
an option. Only consider this if she can get used to the keyboard, and if a 
mobile processor with no fan is okay. This machine also has just one USB-C port 
and one audio jack. But its advantages are great battery, a very small size and 
weight, and--if she's sighted, she'll like--the retina display. The Air doesn't 
have nearly so good a screen. You should also wait until the end of the year, 
to see what Apple comes out with for Mac updates.
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 14:24, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah it does thank you. Will sleep on it.
>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:09, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I think your mac application screams MacBook air to me.  The pro is a real 
>> work course and has a lot of power you may not need.  The 15 especially has 
>> a lot of horse power and is probably over kill.  The air is super light, 
>> decently powered and has good performance for the money.  It’s also not to 
>> heavy and is great to just keep handy for doing exactly what you mention.  
>> If your girl friend wants to run windows and other operating systems in 
>> parallel or do heavy computing then go Pro but if you want to stick to the 
>> list you posted then by all means go for the air.  You can get a dual core 
>> I7 in the air and 512 MB of storage.  That’s pretty good.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:55 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone.
>>> 
>>> I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my 
>>> girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem what 
>>> to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. But I 
>>> would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just reads emails, 
>>> browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to music, watching 
>>> Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook Air or 
>>> Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she would be used to 
>>> machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.
>>> 
>>> Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.
>>> 
>>> Kindest Regards
>>> Chris
>>> 
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Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[christopher hallsworth]

Yeah it does thank you. Will sleep on it.
> On 10 Sep 2016, at 19:09, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I think your mac application screams MacBook air to me.  The pro is a real 
> work course and has a lot of power you may not need.  The 15 especially has a 
> lot of horse power and is probably over kill.  The air is super light, 
> decently powered and has good performance for the money.  It’s also not to 
> heavy and is great to just keep handy for doing exactly what you mention.  If 
> your girl friend wants to run windows and other operating systems in parallel 
> or do heavy computing then go Pro but if you want to stick to the list you 
> posted then by all means go for the air.  You can get a dual core I7 in the 
> air and 512 MB of storage.  That’s pretty good.
> 
> Hope that helps.
>  
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:55 PM, christopher hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my 
>> girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem what 
>> to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. But I 
>> would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just reads emails, 
>> browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to music, watching 
>> Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook Air or 
>> Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she would be used to 
>> machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.
>> 
>> Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.
>> 
>> Kindest Regards
>> Chris
>> 
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[E.T.]

   No Scott. its not that I could care less about the future. Its that 
its all up in the air until it becomes the present. And the present is 
where we get things done. I prefer to work on present day issues, like 
my embosser which has now been relegated to being a door stop. Since I 
cannot look into the future to see where my new embosser is and when I 
will get it, I will move to other present day issues. Its more 
productive to live in the moment.


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On 9/10/2016 10:23 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Oh I disagree, we’re human after all, we get excited about things were 
interested in.  Just because you have no interest in the future doesn’t mean 
others feel that way.  I myself an damn excited about the future.  I like 
hearing about what’s coming out, learning about the leaks and so forth.  That’s 
the spice of life, the changes coming, improvements, steps backwards, all are 
data points and ways to improve.  I love the creativity of it all, the moving 
forward, change does not scare me it thrills me.  The status quo to me is the 
weak way out.  No guts, no glory!



On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  I do not pay much attention to predictions of any kind. Have not met anyone 
who can see into the future. Don't we have enough things to keep us occupied 
today? I sure do.

  As to Apple talling about next year, well, since no one has the crystal ball, 
this will do.

  About the NDA, are you saying that only the blind/visually impaired are 
accepted into the beta program? Makes not a bit of sense.

  Back to today...

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On 9/10/2016 9:04 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

And now they are already talking about what is going to be in next years
iPhone. People don't have this one in her hands yet. And already the
speculation for next year has begun. This is just too much. And the same
is largely true for the software side, at least for the OS. There is
supposed to be this NDA hush-hush. But everything is all over the
mainstream press. The only exception is access ability, because the
mainstream doesn't care about it.  And we're not supposed to talk about
it, because some people still think there's an actual NDA in effect. It
only affects us.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming
out until much closer to the events.

Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to
create publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an
engineer left his phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year
that happened though was faked / staged.

Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present
model is released.

Great point Mary.


On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:

I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big
difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts
now than there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware
surprises were there? Not many. And that has been true for the last
several presentations. Leaks are all over the place in the tech press
these days. It kind of takes some of the "wow" factor out.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:


That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple
presentations used to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he
was a much better showman let’s put it that way.  I was listening to
a discussion on Fox Business the other day how they were lamenting
the loss of the jobs era events.

I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.



On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:

Hi!
I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will
anymore.
It was more like a show than a presentation.
/A

On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. > wrote:

This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and
prefer to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump
right on new releases. And to read AppleVis.

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On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:

Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat
disappointed, and
a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting
changes
in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.

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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[E.T.]

   Very nice, Anne. Had just one folder that needed this.

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On 9/10/2016 4:37 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Mark,

In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one direction, 
and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.

Cheers,

Anne




On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.

Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.

Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
VoiceOver.

However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
on how this is done.

All replies welcome and thank you.

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Re: Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[Scott Granados]

I think your mac application screams MacBook air to me.  The pro is a real work 
course and has a lot of power you may not need.  The 15 especially has a lot of 
horse power and is probably over kill.  The air is super light, decently 
powered and has good performance for the money.  It’s also not to heavy and is 
great to just keep handy for doing exactly what you mention.  If your girl 
friend wants to run windows and other operating systems in parallel or do heavy 
computing then go Pro but if you want to stick to the list you posted then by 
all means go for the air.  You can get a dual core I7 in the air and 512 MB of 
storage.  That’s pretty good.

Hope that helps.
 

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 1:55 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my 
> girlfriend.  her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem what 
> to get her there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. But I 
> would like to know what would be suitable  someone who just reads emails, 
> browsing the web, including using Facebook, listening to music, watching 
> Youtube, you get the idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook Air or 
> Macbook Pro, the latter being a good option I think as she would be used to 
> machines equivalent of a Windows laptop.
> 
> Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.
> 
> Kindest Regards
> Chris
> 
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Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[E.T.]

Larry,
   I am putting my Juliet to bed for its not wanting to work any more 
so will see if there is a new embosser with my name on it.


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On 9/10/2016 4:40 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Choose write to printer rather than write to port.


On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:52 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Larry,
  I have gotten as far as setting things up in DBT Global settings. Even though 
I added the embosser in system prefs, DBT does not see it in the write to port 
dialog. I put the word null in the write to file dialog as you did but that did 
not help.

  When I add the embosser in system prefs, it errors out but I could complete 
the process if I turn it off and on again. Still need to look at that again.

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On 9/8/2016 8:27 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

The details are fuzzy now and I’m a relative Mac newcomer so the procedures 
aren’t burned in yet, but if I recall correctly, I made sure it was turned on 
and plugged it in.  I think I had to go to Printers and Scanners and add it.  
It found it and identified it as a generic postscript printer.  That concerned 
me a little since Postscript has nothing to do with it, but I accepted this 
designation.  Associating it with DBT is somewhat tricky in that as you set it 
up there’s an option to print to file that you don’t want, but if you don’t put 
in a file name anyway then switch back away to the option you actually want it 
doesn’t work.  I typed in “null.”  They might have fixed that now because that 
was in an earlier release.  Also be aware that from the emboss panel it doesn’t 
work unless you navigate to the Ok button with VO and activate it.  Just 
pressing enter when everything is the way you want makes the dialog disappear 
but nothing happens.  I think this too is being fixed in the next version.  If 
you find and submit issues they are quick to acknowledge and work with you to 
find the root cause.


On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, E.T.  wrote:

Larry,
 Installed beta 3 but have not played with it since I cannot get my Classic 
connected anyway via USB. How did you manage that?

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On 9/8/2016 7:16 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

I’m using the beta with a Juliet Classic, so I can’t comment on the question at 
hand, but I did want to warn you if you haven’t got the beta yet that you will 
want to wait until the next build.  There are still some Voiceover issues that 
will leave you wanting to throw heavy objects at the screen.  Until they fix it 
I am doing my edits in windows and only using the beta to translate and emboss 
the final product.


On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:

If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well on the 
Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working under OS X 
anyway.

So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its own 
translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If so, what 
embossers will work? Thanks.

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Future technology gifts for my girlfriend

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello everyone.

I'm writing to let you know about some future technology gifts  my girlfriend.  
her birthday she will be getting a new iPhone, no problem what to get her 
there. But for her 30th I'm thinking of getting her a mac. But I would like to 
know what would be suitable  someone who just reads emails, browsing the web, 
including using Facebook, listening to music, watching Youtube, you get the 
idea. I'm leaning towards either a Macbook Air or Macbook Pro, the latter being 
a good option I think as she would be used to machines equivalent of a Windows 
laptop.

Any responses are very welcome. Thank you in advance.

Kindest Regards
Chris

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Re: Article from Digital trends continues. Only Apple could do this.

[Scott Granados]

Kare, I’ve owned a lightning based device since the day it was release on the 
iPhone.  It has never popped out.  That is a red herring if I ever heard of 
one.  Try forgetting sometime to unplug your power cable or lightning port and 
let me know how that works out for you.:)  I’ve torn the end off a cable before 
with out it popping out.  This is one reason the apple Magsafe adapter is the 
way it is.  It’s just lightly attached to the side so if someone kicks your 
cable or you forget to detach it just pops clean, no damage to the board.

The claim the jack pops out is more clickbait.

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Scot,
> You do not think that having a part of a phone, i. e. the port, popping out 
> when used is well a reason for concern?
> certainly only serious audiophiles can tell the difference in sound quality, 
> but the idea of  phone parts  being easily lost  seems important perhaps?
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> The whole thing basically turned out to be a non event with some looking for 
>> click bate out of the deal.
>> 
>> I bet similar arguments happened when the jack was reduced from quarter inch 
>> to 8th inch or when we started using 3 prong plugs instead of 2.  (try 
>> plugging something in modern in my mother’s house, you need an adapter lol)  
>> I’ll date my self but anyone remember when phones switched from the 4 pin 
>> open connectors to the RJ-11?  How about round tube records to flat records, 
>> wire to tape.  Oh man could you imagine if this was 30 years ago and the 
>> argument would have been VHS verses Beta and the wrong one ended up being 
>> the standard.  Or the whole bluerey verses the other one that we don’t even 
>> remember any more.
>> 
>> Ah well, people need to generate traffic for their blogs and look important.
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Change always elicits reactions like this. I am sure we all can think of 
>>> many things that provoked similar reaction. Perhaps if a survey was taken 
>>> where people were asked at what date would they like to see change stopped, 
>>> the responses would be as numerous as the sand on the beach.
>>> 
>>>  There are changes happening that are much more important and critical than 
>>> the loss of a headphone jack. But I will leave it at that.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/9/2016 2:20 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 Hmm, he seems to be having a problematic atitude imho.
 But its his problem.
 /AS
> On 9 Sep 2016, at 01:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Like Tim I have remained silent, waiting for what others in the industry 
> expressed about  the headphone jack.
> The article below  indicates that yes only Apple could do this...but 
> frankly there is little reason for it to be done.  I found particularly 
> interesting the weak nature of the lightning  port in terms of popping 
> out of the phone if stressed, the less than stellar quality of both 
> bluetooth and wireless headphones, at least if you care about sound 
> quality, how quality could be achieved while keeping the jack,  and most 
> interesting for those using audio, you cannot charge the phone and listen 
> at the same time.  If it impacts music, will it also impact voiceover?
> Article is below.  I leave it to others here for comments if any.
> As the iPhone's headphone jack dies, Apple wins and you lose
> By Caleb Denison -- September 7, 2016 4:09 PM
> 
> As predicted, Apple just killed off the headphone jack in the new
> iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The familiar and universal 3.5mm
> headphone jack -- also known as the 1/8-inch headphone jack and
> TS jack -- is nowhere to be found on its new phones. Apple
> wheeled out plenty of rationalizations for the decision, but at
> the end of the day, it was a bad call, and a step back for the
> forward-thinking tech giant.
> 
> We're talking about the same mini plug which was first used in
> Sony's EFM-117J transistor radio in 1964, and which was
> popularized for portable personal electronics with the original
> Sony Walkman, released in 1979. The tech behind it goes back over
> 100 years, and we've been buying and collecting wired headphones
> using this connector for over 36 years now. While Apple hasn't
> left wired headphones completely in the dust, it has made
> connecting them to its latest phones a big hassle.
> 
> We did it because ...
> 
> Apple Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller
> boiled the decision to kill the headphone jack down to one word:
> courage.
> 
> Yeah. That's one way to put it. Another might be: gamble.
> 
> Apple has done 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Granados]

Oh I disagree, we’re human after all, we get excited about things were 
interested in.  Just because you have no interest in the future doesn’t mean 
others feel that way.  I myself an damn excited about the future.  I like 
hearing about what’s coming out, learning about the leaks and so forth.  That’s 
the spice of life, the changes coming, improvements, steps backwards, all are 
data points and ways to improve.  I love the creativity of it all, the moving 
forward, change does not scare me it thrills me.  The status quo to me is the 
weak way out.  No guts, no glory!


> On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:15 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I do not pay much attention to predictions of any kind. Have not met anyone 
> who can see into the future. Don't we have enough things to keep us occupied 
> today? I sure do.
> 
>   As to Apple talling about next year, well, since no one has the crystal 
> ball, this will do.
> 
>   About the NDA, are you saying that only the blind/visually impaired are 
> accepted into the beta program? Makes not a bit of sense.
> 
>   Back to today...
> 
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> 
> On 9/10/2016 9:04 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> And now they are already talking about what is going to be in next years
>> iPhone. People don't have this one in her hands yet. And already the
>> speculation for next year has begun. This is just too much. And the same
>> is largely true for the software side, at least for the OS. There is
>> supposed to be this NDA hush-hush. But everything is all over the
>> mainstream press. The only exception is access ability, because the
>> mainstream doesn't care about it.  And we're not supposed to talk about
>> it, because some people still think there's an actual NDA in effect. It
>> only affects us.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming
>>> out until much closer to the events.
>>> 
>>> Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to
>>> create publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an
>>> engineer left his phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year
>>> that happened though was faked / staged.
>>> 
>>> Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present
>>> model is released.
>>> 
>>> Great point Mary.
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
 I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big
 difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts
 now than there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware
 surprises were there? Not many. And that has been true for the last
 several presentations. Leaks are all over the place in the tech press
 these days. It kind of takes some of the "wow" factor out.
 
 Mary
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
> That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple
> presentations used to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he
> was a much better showman let’s put it that way.  I was listening to
> a discussion on Fox Business the other day how they were lamenting
> the loss of the jobs era events.
> 
> I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will
>> anymore.
>> It was more like a show than a presentation.
>> /A
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and
>>> prefer to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump
>>> right on new releases. And to read AppleVis.
>>> 
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>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
 Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat
 disappointed, and
 a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
 yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting
 changes
 in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
 doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.
 
 --
 
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 Email: kc5...@gmail.com 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Granados]

There are a lot of people, including on this list, who don’t understand the 
word public.  Public betas by there nature are in the public.  Developers who 
truly get new releases of products ahead of time sign very comprehensive 
agreements.  In some cases I’ve worked on things where you had to go to a 
specific facility and do your testing, you couldn’t even leave the room with 
the device or product.  When you work in these situations everything is 
monitored from your cell phone to everything you do on the company network.  I 
worked for an employer in the movie game once and we had an employee leak a 
frame from the animated cartoon.  We were able to tell just who it was, which 
file, where it went and appropriately fire the employee and pursue them for 
damages.  That’s a secure facility.  When you take your product, offer it to 
anyone who wishes to sign up and make it available for anyone then it’s not 
private.  It cracks me up for example how many say on this list or others in 
our community who get their panties in a wad over the simple mention of the 
public beta yet redmond pie, mac rumors, and thousands of other sites happily 
announce to their benefit all the upcoming features and things discovered in 
the release.  It’s funny how the general community understands the word public 
but many in the blind community do not.  Must be substandard schools for the 
blind or something.;)  (tongue firmly inserted in cheek)


That being said though, with a good active public beta program and a nice wide 
test sample this release, IOS 10, to me is much more stable as a whole number 
release than 8 or 9.  Avoids the old days of buying your device, bringing it 
home and by the time you get home you have to update because Apple and the 
carriers figured out something bad happened when the phone was released to a 
large customer base.  I’ll give up some excitement around releases for 
stability any day.






> On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> And now they are already talking about what is going to be in next years 
> iPhone. People don't have this one in her hands yet. And already the 
> speculation for next year has begun. This is just too much. And the same is 
> largely true for the software side, at least for the OS. There is supposed to 
> be this NDA hush-hush. But everything is all over the mainstream press. The 
> only exception is access ability, because the mainstream doesn't care about 
> it.  And we're not supposed to talk about it, because some people still think 
> there's an actual NDA in effect. It only affects us.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming out 
>> until much closer to the events.
>> 
>> Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to create 
>> publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an engineer left his 
>> phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year that happened though 
>> was faked / staged.
>> 
>> Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present model 
>> is released.
>> 
>> Great point Mary.
>>   
>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big 
>>> difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts now than 
>>> there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware surprises were 
>>> there? Not many. And that has been true for the last several presentations. 
>>> Leaks are all over the place in the tech press these days. It kind of takes 
>>> some of the "wow" factor out.  
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
 That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used 
 to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman 
 let’s put it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business 
 the other day how they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.
 
 I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.
 
 
> On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
> It was more like a show than a presentation.
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
>> This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer 
>> to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new 
>> releases. And to read AppleVis.
>> 

Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[Stacey Robinson]

Ann,
Thanks for this.
I’ve been trying to figure it out for a long time.
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark,
> 
> In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
> column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
> then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
> The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one 
> direction, and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:22, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
>> 
>> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
>> 
>> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
>> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
>> etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
>> VoiceOver.  
>> 
>> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
>> be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
>> on how this is done.
>> 
>> All replies welcome and thank you.
>> 
>> Mark 
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[E.T.]

   Indeed its ridiculous. Maybe this is why I generally attempt to 
ignore such discussions for to me, they achieve nothing but heavy 
traffic. If the NDA is so widely ignored, that is Apple's plate of worms.


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On 9/10/2016 9:32 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

I don't know where you ever got that ridiculous idea. No. I'm saying
that, because the technical press does such a thorough job of discussing
the betas, the only people who are affected by these NDA's which are so
widely ignored, are those in minority communities such as us and others
who need accessibility features, which are not generally discussed in
the mainstream press. I understand why list moderators take the position
they do. I'm just saying that this NDA thing is so widely and grossly
violated as to have been turned into a joke. A bad joke.
 Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 9:15 AM, E.T. > wrote:


  I do not pay much attention to predictions of any kind. Have not met
anyone who can see into the future. Don't we have enough things to
keep us occupied today? I sure do.

  As to Apple talling about next year, well, since no one has the
crystal ball, this will do.

  About the NDA, are you saying that only the blind/visually impaired
are accepted into the beta program? Makes not a bit of sense.

  Back to today...

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On 9/10/2016 9:04 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

And now they are already talking about what is going to be in next years
iPhone. People don't have this one in her hands yet. And already the
speculation for next year has begun. This is just too much. And the same
is largely true for the software side, at least for the OS. There is
supposed to be this NDA hush-hush. But everything is all over the
mainstream press. The only exception is access ability, because the
mainstream doesn't care about it.  And we're not supposed to talk about
it, because some people still think there's an actual NDA in effect. It
only affects us.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:


Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming
out until much closer to the events.

Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to
create publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an
engineer left his phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year
that happened though was faked / staged.

Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present
model is released.

Great point Mary.


On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big
difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts
now than there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware
surprises were there? Not many. And that has been true for the last
several presentations. Leaks are all over the place in the tech press
these days. It kind of takes some of the "wow" factor out.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:


That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple
presentations used to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he
was a much better showman let’s put it that way.  I was listening to
a discussion on Fox Business the other day how they were lamenting
the loss of the jobs era events.

I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release
day.



On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg

> wrote:

Hi!
I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will
anymore.
It was more like a show than a presentation.
/A

On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. 
> wrote:

This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and
prefer to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump
right on new releases. And to read AppleVis.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 


On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:

Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat
disappointed, and
a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting
changes
in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.

--

Jenny & Marmalade
Phone: (972 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[E.T.]

   I do not pay much attention to predictions of any kind. Have not met 
anyone who can see into the future. Don't we have enough things to keep 
us occupied today? I sure do.


   As to Apple talling about next year, well, since no one has the 
crystal ball, this will do.


   About the NDA, are you saying that only the blind/visually impaired 
are accepted into the beta program? Makes not a bit of sense.


   Back to today...

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/10/2016 9:04 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

And now they are already talking about what is going to be in next years
iPhone. People don't have this one in her hands yet. And already the
speculation for next year has begun. This is just too much. And the same
is largely true for the software side, at least for the OS. There is
supposed to be this NDA hush-hush. But everything is all over the
mainstream press. The only exception is access ability, because the
mainstream doesn't care about it.  And we're not supposed to talk about
it, because some people still think there's an actual NDA in effect. It
only affects us.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming
out until much closer to the events.

Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to
create publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an
engineer left his phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year
that happened though was faked / staged.

Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present
model is released.

Great point Mary.


On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:

I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big
difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts
now than there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware
surprises were there? Not many. And that has been true for the last
several presentations. Leaks are all over the place in the tech press
these days. It kind of takes some of the "wow" factor out.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:


That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple
presentations used to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he
was a much better showman let’s put it that way.  I was listening to
a discussion on Fox Business the other day how they were lamenting
the loss of the jobs era events.

I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.



On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:

Hi!
I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will
anymore.
It was more like a show than a presentation.
/A

On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. > wrote:

This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and
prefer to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump
right on new releases. And to read AppleVis.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:

Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat
disappointed, and
a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting
changes
in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.

--

Jenny & Marmalade
Phone: (972 989-3894
Email: kc5...@gmail.com 

Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
“I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
But the truth is,
I could no more stop dreaming,
Than I could make them all come true.”
— “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock






On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin 
> wrote:

Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10
when its
Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
JustWonderin'
At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:

With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com 

Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk"

Re: Article from Digital trends continues. Only Apple could do this.

[Karen Lewellen]

Scot,
You do not think that having a part of a phone, i. e. the port, popping 
out when used is well a reason for concern?
certainly only serious audiophiles can tell the difference in sound 
quality, but the idea of  phone parts  being easily lost  seems important 
perhaps?

Kare


On Sat, 10 Sep 2016, Scott Granados wrote:


The whole thing basically turned out to be a non event with some looking for 
click bate out of the deal.

I bet similar arguments happened when the jack was reduced from quarter inch to 
8th inch or when we started using 3 prong plugs instead of 2.  (try plugging 
something in modern in my mother’s house, you need an adapter lol)  I’ll date 
my self but anyone remember when phones switched from the 4 pin open connectors 
to the RJ-11?  How about round tube records to flat records, wire to tape.  Oh 
man could you imagine if this was 30 years ago and the argument would have been 
VHS verses Beta and the wrong one ended up being the standard.  Or the whole 
bluerey verses the other one that we don’t even remember any more.

Ah well, people need to generate traffic for their blogs and look important.


On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Change always elicits reactions like this. I am sure we all can think of many 
things that provoked similar reaction. Perhaps if a survey was taken where 
people were asked at what date would they like to see change stopped, the 
responses would be as numerous as the sand on the beach.

  There are changes happening that are much more important and critical than 
the loss of a headphone jack. But I will leave it at that.

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On 9/9/2016 2:20 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Hmm, he seems to be having a problematic atitude imho.
But its his problem.
/AS

On 9 Sep 2016, at 01:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi all,
Like Tim I have remained silent, waiting for what others in the industry 
expressed about  the headphone jack.
The article below  indicates that yes only Apple could do this...but frankly 
there is little reason for it to be done.  I found particularly interesting the 
weak nature of the lightning  port in terms of popping out of the phone if 
stressed, the less than stellar quality of both bluetooth and wireless 
headphones, at least if you care about sound quality, how quality could be 
achieved while keeping the jack,  and most interesting for those using audio, 
you cannot charge the phone and listen at the same time.  If it impacts music, 
will it also impact voiceover?
Article is below.  I leave it to others here for comments if any.
As the iPhone's headphone jack dies, Apple wins and you lose
By Caleb Denison -- September 7, 2016 4:09 PM

As predicted, Apple just killed off the headphone jack in the new
iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The familiar and universal 3.5mm
headphone jack -- also known as the 1/8-inch headphone jack and
TS jack -- is nowhere to be found on its new phones. Apple
wheeled out plenty of rationalizations for the decision, but at
the end of the day, it was a bad call, and a step back for the
forward-thinking tech giant.

We're talking about the same mini plug which was first used in
Sony's EFM-117J transistor radio in 1964, and which was
popularized for portable personal electronics with the original
Sony Walkman, released in 1979. The tech behind it goes back over
100 years, and we've been buying and collecting wired headphones
using this connector for over 36 years now. While Apple hasn't
left wired headphones completely in the dust, it has made
connecting them to its latest phones a big hassle.

We did it because ...

Apple Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller
boiled the decision to kill the headphone jack down to one word:
courage.

Yeah. That's one way to put it. Another might be: gamble.

Apple has done something it's never done before: alienating
millions of people.
Apple says it has a long-term vision for audio, which is
impressive considering it doesn't seem like it's had any vision
for audio at all until it purchased Beats headphones in 2014.
Instead of killing the headphone jack, Apple could have made a
better sounding EarPod, improved the digital to analog converter
(DAC) in its headphones to support higher resolution audio files,
or beefed up the headphone amp for better overall sound for any
headphone. None of those options would have required adding any
new space-hogging components to the phone or required any radical
redesigns, though it may have cost more. Know what it wouldn't
have required? Courage.

Regardless, Apple had opportunities to take audio more seriously,
but it didn't. How new, exactly, is this audio vision?
Schiller also pointed to the Lightning connector. "From the
start, we designed Lighting to be a great digital audio
connector," he said before pivoting toward an example of new
headphones ready to use the digital plug, the JBL 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Mary Otten]

And now they are already talking about what is going to be in next years 
iPhone. People don't have this one in her hands yet. And already the 
speculation for next year has begun. This is just too much. And the same is 
largely true for the software side, at least for the OS. There is supposed to 
be this NDA hush-hush. But everything is all over the mainstream press. The 
only exception is access ability, because the mainstream doesn't care about it. 
 And we're not supposed to talk about it, because some people still think 
there's an actual NDA in effect. It only affects us.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming out 
> until much closer to the events.
> 
> Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to create 
> publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an engineer left his 
> phone in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year that happened though was 
> faked / staged.
> 
> Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present model 
> is released.
> 
> Great point Mary.
>   
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big 
>> difference with regard to what we know before an event even starts now than 
>> there was when he was around. I mean really. What hardware surprises were 
>> there? Not many. And that has been true for the last several presentations. 
>> Leaks are all over the place in the tech press these days. It kind of takes 
>> some of the "wow" factor out.  
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used 
>>> to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman 
>>> let’s put it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business the 
>>> other day how they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.
>>> 
>>> I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
 It was more like a show than a presentation.
 /A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer 
> to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new 
> releases. And to read AppleVis.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
>> Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
>> a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
>> yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
>> in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
>> doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Jenny & Marmalade
>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>> Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>> But the truth is,
>> I could no more stop dreaming,
>> Than I could make them all come true.”
>> — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
>>> WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
>>> Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
>>> MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
>>> JustWonderin'
>>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
 With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
 Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
 well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
 longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com 
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
 
 
> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
> accessibility 

Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Scott Granados]

Right, in my state it’s 0% sales tax, Yipee!

Funny how we do it by state or even town here.  Some towns / areas have 
different taxes in the same state.  Palm Beach county is an example where the 
tax is a bit higher than the surrounding state of Florida.  I luckily live in a 
right wing state with no taxes including sales.:)  We have a wicked lumber 
export tax though.;)
I used to order everything on amazon to get around the sales tax when I lived 
in California.  Our local sales tax was 10% and this was before amazon was 
forced to charge tax so that was a huge savings.


> On Sep 10, 2016, at 9:17 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, and, it includes 15% GST. US prices do not include sales tax′ That said, 
> it is about $150 cheaper in Australia. Australia has a 10% GST which is 
> included in the price. GST is Goods and Services Tax.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 10 Sep 2016, at 22:44, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> Wow!
>> 
>> Wow, wow wow!
>> 
>> In US dollars you’re paying over $1050 for the same phone I can order for 
>> $649.  SO in your dollars our base price would be $889 NZ currency.  That’s 
>> a hell of an import tax rate.
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Starting price of 7 here is the 32 gig
>>> 1199.00 and that’s the 7, the 7+ is 1399 I believe.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:05 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 
>>> NZ currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you 
>>> PayPal me the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import 
>>> tax.;)
>>> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> I honestly couldn’t tell you.
>>>  
>>> Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
>>> fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
>>> we’re probably paying more.
>>>  
>>> You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
>>> company who can charge high interest rates.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
>>> devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
>>> “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
>>> money.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
>>>  
>>> What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the 
>>> new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
>>>  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
>>>  
>>> But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
>>>  
>>> If only I could currently afford it.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Hi.
>>>  
>>> I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water would 
>>> come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.
>>>  
>>> I’m definitely getting the new watch.  Does anyone know how independent it 
>>> is from the I phone?
>>>  
>>> Thanks.
>>> I'm fundraising for RNIB.
>>> 
>>> Please help me make a difference by making a donation to my Virgin Money 
>>> Giving page. 
>>> 
>>> To find out more about what I'm doing and why, please visit 
>>> http://www.virginmoneygiving.com/team/RNIBiceland 
>>>  where you can also 
>>> sponsor me online.
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>>> -- 
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[David Chittenden]

Yes, and, it includes 15% GST. US prices do not include sales tax′ That said, 
it is about $150 cheaper in Australia. Australia has a 10% GST which is 
included in the price. GST is Goods and Services Tax.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Sep 2016, at 22:44, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wow!
> 
> Wow, wow wow!
> 
> In US dollars you’re paying over $1050 for the same phone I can order for 
> $649.  SO in your dollars our base price would be $889 NZ currency.  That’s a 
> hell of an import tax rate.
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Starting price of 7 here is the 32 gig
>> 1199.00 and that’s the 7, the 7+ is 1399 I believe.
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:05 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>  
>> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 
>> NZ currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you PayPal 
>> me the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import tax.;)
>> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>>  
>>  
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>  
>> I honestly couldn’t tell you.
>>  
>> Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
>> fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
>> we’re probably paying more.
>>  
>> You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
>> company who can charge high interest rates.
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>  
>> Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
>> devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
>> “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
>> money.
>>  
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>  
>> It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
>>  
>> What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the 
>> new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
>>  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
>>  
>> But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
>>  
>> If only I could currently afford it.
>>  
>> From: 
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>> Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries 
>> Subject: Only Apple could do this.
>>  
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>>  
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>>  
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>> is from the I phone?
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Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Granados]

Mary, well said and so true.  We used to have no idea what was coming out until 
much closer to the events.

Anybody remember the cell phones apple left around the bay area to create 
publicity?  The first was a legitimate mistake where an engineer left his phone 
in a bar and it wasn’t out yet.  The next year that happened though was faked / 
staged.

Now you have a picture of the new phone almost as soon as the present model is 
released.

Great point Mary.
  
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big difference 
> with regard to what we know before an event even starts now than there was 
> when he was around. I mean really. What hardware surprises were there? Not 
> many. And that has been true for the last several presentations. Leaks are 
> all over the place in the tech press these days. It kind of takes some of the 
> "wow" factor out.  
> 
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used 
>> to be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman 
>> let’s put it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business the 
>> other day how they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.
>> 
>> I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
>>> It was more like a show than a presentation.
>>> /A
 On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T. > wrote:
 
 This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer 
 to wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new 
 releases. And to read AppleVis.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
 On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
> Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
> a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
> yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
> in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
> doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.
> 
> --
> 
> Jenny & Marmalade
> Phone: (972 989-3894
> Email: kc5...@gmail.com  
> >
> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
> Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
> But the truth is,
> I could no more stop dreaming,
> Than I could make them all come true.”
> — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin > 
>> >> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
>> WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
>> Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
>> MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
>> JustWonderin'
>> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
>>> Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
>>> well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
>>> longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com  
>>> >
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>>> >
>>> To: >> >
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>>> 
>>> 
 Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
 accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
 else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
 Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
 Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
 Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
 
> On Sep 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Mary Otten]

I think Jobs was more of a showman. But I also think there's a big difference 
with regard to what we know before an event even starts now than there was when 
he was around. I mean really. What hardware surprises were there? Not many. And 
that has been true for the last several presentations. Leaks are all over the 
place in the tech press these days. It kind of takes some of the "wow" factor 
out.  

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used to 
> be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman let’s 
> put it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business the other 
> day how they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.
> 
> I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
>> It was more like a show than a presentation.
>> /A
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer to 
>>> wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new 
>>> releases. And to read AppleVis.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
 Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
 a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
 yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
 in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
 doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.
 
 --
 
 Jenny & Marmalade
 Phone: (972 989-3894
 Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
 Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
 “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
 Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
 But the truth is,
 I could no more stop dreaming,
 Than I could make them all come true.”
 — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
 
 
 
 
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin  > wrote:
> 
> Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
> WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
> Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
> MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
> JustWonderin'
> At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
>> Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
>> well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
>> longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
>> 
>> 
>>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
>>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
>>> else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson
  wrote:
 
 Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
 features in IOS10?
 
 Peace,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 
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Re: Surprise!! iPhone 7 Models From AT and T-Mobile Do Not Support CDMA Networks

[Scott Granados]

Not even that long.

Our Canadian friends turned CDMA off  a couple months back.  I think we’re 
looking at 2017 - 2018 to turn down CDMA on Verizon and totally  farm that 
spectrum.  Sprint, I don’t know they have some issues and are getting hammered 
on TV and in the press now.  The other 2 carriers are and always have been GSM. 
 Well, wait, AT had some CDMA for a while when they merged from Cingular and 
Bell but that was a while ago.  China is still a major CDMA customer so the 
technology will probably be in use for a long time, just not in the west.  In 
the western hemisphere I think we’re the last big CDMA country.  I’d figure by 
the time you start seeing 5G CDMA will be gone so the next 1 - 2 years.

Good times.


> On Sep 9, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> It will take a few years, but eventually CDMA will be completely phased out 
> in favor of LTE and newer standards, things will be much simpler once that 
> happens.
> Original message:
>> iPhone 7 Models From AT and T-Mobile Do Not Support CDMA Networks
> 
>> MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors / Joe Rossignol
>> Choosing which iPhone model to purchase this year should be more carefully 
>> considered, as both AT and T-Mobile models of the iPhone 7 
>>  and iPhone 7 Plus do not 
>> support CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint in the United States. Apple 
>> confirmed the matter in fine print in the iPhone 7 tech specs 
>>  and on its LTE 
>>  page.
> 
>> iphone-7-carriers
>> A customer that purchases an iPhone 7 from Apple's website and selects AT 
>> as their carrier, for example, would be unable to later use the smartphone 
>> on Verizon, Sprint, or any other CDMA network, even if the device is 
>> unlocked. By comparison, all iPhone 6s 
>>  and iPhone 6s Plus models 
>> worked on both GSM and CDMA networks.
> 
>> A customer that purchases an iPhone 7 from Apple's website and selects 
>> Verizon as their carrier, on the other hand, would also be able to use the 
>> smartphone on AT, T-Mobile, Sprint, or any other GSM or CDMA network.
> 
>> It was previously reported that Apple would switch to Intel modems 
>>  for 
>> select iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus models, including AT models 
>> , 
>> and Intel modems do not support the CDMA standard in the United States. That 
>> is likely the reason why AT and T-Mobile models are limited to GSM 
>> networks.
> 
>> iphone-7-wireless Only Verizon and Sprint models support both GSM and CDMA 
>> networks
>> The same report said Qualcomm would supply modems for the remaining iPhone 7 
>> and iPhone 7 Plus units, including Verizon and Chinese models 
>> , 
>> and this appears to be the case. Qualcomm modems support both the GSM and 
>> CDMA standard, which explains why the iPhone 7 from Verizon and Sprint will 
>> work on all carriers.
> 
>> Qualcomm, which holds patents for WCDMA and CDMA2000 standards, is the main 
>> CDMA modem supplier in the United States. The company developed the first 
>> CDMA-based cellular base station in 1990, and since then it has licensed its 
>> technology to companies like Apple in return for royalty payments.
> 
>> Until this year, Qualcomm was Apple's exclusive supplier of modems for LTE 
>> and Wi-Fi connectivity, which explains why the iPhone 6s and previous 
>> generations supported both GSM and CDMA networks regardless of carrier. But 
>> with Intel entering the mix, choosing which iPhone to purchase is now more 
>> meaningful.
> 
>> iphone-6s-wireless All iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus models supported both 
>> GSM and CDMA networks
>> The lack of CDMA support in iPhones with Intel modems may be short lived, 
>> fortunately, as Intel acquired CDMA assets 
>> 
>>  from VIA Telecom in 2015. It is believed that this acquisition could pave 
>> the way for Intel to release its first LTE modem with both GSM and CDMA 
>> support as early as 2017 or 2018.
> 
>> Ultimately, the most obvious choice should be to purchase a Verizon or 
>> Sprint model, even if you are an AT or T-Mobile customer, especially when 
>> considering resale value. However, some customers may have difficulty 
>> purchasing from another carrier, depending on their current status with 
>> their existing carrier.
> 
>> Apple should also release an unlocked SIM-free model in the U.S., likely 
>> based on the Verizon/Sprint model, in a few weeks based on past launches.
> 
> 
>> Related Roundup: iPhone 7 
>> Tags: Intel 

Re: Ios10 and accessibility

[Scott Granados]

That’s funny, I’ve heard the opposite criticism.  Apple presentations used to 
be showier with Jobs.  At least, I think he was a much better showman let’s put 
it that way.  I was listening to a discussion on Fox Business the other day how 
they were lamenting the loss of the jobs era events.

I still like it, there’s a certain excitement around apple release day.


> On Sep 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I actually listened to it on wednesday but i don’t think i will anymore.
> It was more like a show than a presentation.
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 19:58, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  This is why I do not listen to these events. I am in no hurry and prefer to 
>> wait to read the real life experiences of those who jump right on new 
>> releases. And to read AppleVis.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 9/8/2016 10:47 AM, Jenny Wood wrote:
>>> Was kind of curious about this myself.  I was somewhat disappointed, and
>>> a little concerned, that accessibility wasn’t even mentioned in
>>> yesterday’s keynote.  I seem to recall Steve Jobs highlighting changes
>>> in accessibility fairly regularly at his events, and am sad that it
>>> doesn’t even get so much as a mention these days.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Jenny & Marmalade
>>> Phone: (972 989-3894
>>> Email: kc5...@gmail.com 
>>> Facebook/Twitter: KC5GNI
>>> “I’m the kid who has this habit of dreaming,
>>> Sometimes gets me in trouble too.
>>> But the truth is,
>>> I could no more stop dreaming,
>>> Than I could make them all come true.”
>>> — “The Kid” Buddy Mondlock
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Robin > wrote:
 
 Can You AsA Developer-BetaTester Give YourRecommendation as
 WhetherOrNot to Update Your Apple iDevice-iOSDevice TO iOS10 when its
 Launched ON Tuesday,September13th? Is iOS10 Ready4PrimeTime
 MoreSpecifically ForTotallyBlind users?
 JustWonderin'
 At 10:26 AM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
> With me also being a dev, I along with Alex can concur with Shawn.
> Being the official release date isn't until next week, we devs as
> well as public testers are still on NDA for just a little while
> longer.  Hang in there though guys, it won't be much longer.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com 
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: Ios10 and accessibility
> 
> 
>> Yes, but they wait until the official release date to tell you the
>> accessibility features because they're still under NDA like everyone
>> else. Alex Hall can confirm this.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Stacey Robinson
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can someone tell me where I can go to read about the accessibility
>>> features in IOS10?
>>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
>>> 
>>> mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
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Re: Article from Digital trends continues. Only Apple could do this.

[Scott Granados]

The whole thing basically turned out to be a non event with some looking for 
click bate out of the deal.

I bet similar arguments happened when the jack was reduced from quarter inch to 
8th inch or when we started using 3 prong plugs instead of 2.  (try plugging 
something in modern in my mother’s house, you need an adapter lol)  I’ll date 
my self but anyone remember when phones switched from the 4 pin open connectors 
to the RJ-11?  How about round tube records to flat records, wire to tape.  Oh 
man could you imagine if this was 30 years ago and the argument would have been 
VHS verses Beta and the wrong one ended up being the standard.  Or the whole 
bluerey verses the other one that we don’t even remember any more.

Ah well, people need to generate traffic for their blogs and look important.

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:36 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Change always elicits reactions like this. I am sure we all can think of 
> many things that provoked similar reaction. Perhaps if a survey was taken 
> where people were asked at what date would they like to see change stopped, 
> the responses would be as numerous as the sand on the beach.
> 
>   There are changes happening that are much more important and critical than 
> the loss of a headphone jack. But I will leave it at that.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/9/2016 2:20 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Hmm, he seems to be having a problematic atitude imho.
>> But its his problem.
>> /AS
>>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 01:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Like Tim I have remained silent, waiting for what others in the industry 
>>> expressed about  the headphone jack.
>>> The article below  indicates that yes only Apple could do this...but 
>>> frankly there is little reason for it to be done.  I found particularly 
>>> interesting the weak nature of the lightning  port in terms of popping out 
>>> of the phone if stressed, the less than stellar quality of both bluetooth 
>>> and wireless headphones, at least if you care about sound quality, how 
>>> quality could be achieved while keeping the jack,  and most interesting for 
>>> those using audio, you cannot charge the phone and listen at the same time. 
>>>  If it impacts music, will it also impact voiceover?
>>> Article is below.  I leave it to others here for comments if any.
>>> As the iPhone's headphone jack dies, Apple wins and you lose
>>> By Caleb Denison -- September 7, 2016 4:09 PM
>>> 
>>> As predicted, Apple just killed off the headphone jack in the new
>>> iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. The familiar and universal 3.5mm
>>> headphone jack -- also known as the 1/8-inch headphone jack and
>>> TS jack -- is nowhere to be found on its new phones. Apple
>>> wheeled out plenty of rationalizations for the decision, but at
>>> the end of the day, it was a bad call, and a step back for the
>>> forward-thinking tech giant.
>>> 
>>> We're talking about the same mini plug which was first used in
>>> Sony's EFM-117J transistor radio in 1964, and which was
>>> popularized for portable personal electronics with the original
>>> Sony Walkman, released in 1979. The tech behind it goes back over
>>> 100 years, and we've been buying and collecting wired headphones
>>> using this connector for over 36 years now. While Apple hasn't
>>> left wired headphones completely in the dust, it has made
>>> connecting them to its latest phones a big hassle.
>>> 
>>> We did it because ...
>>> 
>>> Apple Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller
>>> boiled the decision to kill the headphone jack down to one word:
>>> courage.
>>> 
>>> Yeah. That's one way to put it. Another might be: gamble.
>>> 
>>> Apple has done something it's never done before: alienating
>>> millions of people.
>>> Apple says it has a long-term vision for audio, which is
>>> impressive considering it doesn't seem like it's had any vision
>>> for audio at all until it purchased Beats headphones in 2014.
>>> Instead of killing the headphone jack, Apple could have made a
>>> better sounding EarPod, improved the digital to analog converter
>>> (DAC) in its headphones to support higher resolution audio files,
>>> or beefed up the headphone amp for better overall sound for any
>>> headphone. None of those options would have required adding any
>>> new space-hogging components to the phone or required any radical
>>> redesigns, though it may have cost more. Know what it wouldn't
>>> have required? Courage.
>>> 
>>> Regardless, Apple had opportunities to take audio more seriously,
>>> but it didn't. How new, exactly, is this audio vision?
>>> Schiller also pointed to the Lightning connector. "From the
>>> start, we designed Lighting to be a great digital audio
>>> connector," he said before pivoting toward an example of new
>>> headphones ready to use the digital plug, the JBL Reflex Aware,
>>> noting they require no 

Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Scott Granados]

Wow!

Wow, wow wow!

In US dollars you’re paying over $1050 for the same phone I can order for $649. 
 SO in your dollars our base price would be $889 NZ currency.  That’s a hell of 
an import tax rate.

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Starting price of 7 here is the 32 gig
> 1199.00 and that’s the 7, the 7+ is 1399 I believe.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 10 September 2016 1:05 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>  
> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 NZ 
> currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you PayPal me 
> the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import tax.;)
> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>  
>  
> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> I honestly couldn’t tell you.
>  
> Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
> fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
> we’re probably paying more.
>  
> You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
> company who can charge high interest rates.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>  
> Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
> devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
> “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
> money.
>  
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
>  
> What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the 
> new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
>  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
>  
> But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
>  
> If only I could currently afford it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Only Apple could do this.
>  
> Hi.
>  
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Re: Only Apple could do this.

[Scott Granados]

1000 pounds is about 1200 dollars US, you range in the 1200 to 1300 range.  
Google and Siri will do the specific calculation and conversion for you.

Here in the US, the base 7+ is $769 and the base 7 is $649 I believe.  The 
watch I’m not sure my stainless steel version with band was about $500.  I 
would expect you have a good deal of VAT and other taxes for importation.

BTW, Rumor has it Apple will be moving many jobs to your country because of the 
attack by the EU on the company and because your country will be free from the 
EU you’re able to give them a more favorable tax status and move a lot of that 
work and well paying jobs away from EU control.  Ireland gave Apple a 12% tax 
rate among other things and the EU is attacking both Ireland and Apple for 
“back taxes”.  Since you did the right thing and left you can dictate your own 
terms and Apple is supposedly in talks to move there and bring that big pile of 
money with them.  Good move! 


> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I got the date wrong for when the products would come out in the UK.
> 
> Scott, is the I phone cheaper to buy from the US with Apple Care?
> 
> I did add the phone and Apple care to my basket for a grand total of 1000 and 
> 87 Pounds.  I wonder how much that would be in dollars.
> 
> The watch I want is going to be 1000 and eight pounds.
> 
> I got scared about the Special Program as I don’t want to be put in a 
> contract with anyone as the products would not be mine until I had made all 
> the payments so I intend to bite the bullet and get everything outright.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 14:05, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, quick back of the napkin calculation here.  I show 649 US as about 840 
>> NZ currency.  Can you buy them that inexpensively there?  If not, you PayPal 
>> me the money, I’ll order and ship you the phone and bam, no import tax.;)
>> speaking in theoretical of course.;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I honestly couldn’t tell you.
>>>  
>>> Possibly a combination of a & b, but there is also the apple label and  the 
>>> fact that our devices are not locked to a network and there fore being open 
>>> we’re probably paying more.
>>>  
>>> You can get financing to buy a device but again that is through a finance 
>>> company who can charge high interest rates.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2016 2:37 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Simon, is it the exchange rate or the import taxation that makes these 
>>> devices so expensive for you down there?  I’d be down to help get um 
>>> “creative” on the sourcing and shipping if it would help you save a lot of 
>>> money.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:44 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> It’s not it’s again going to need the phone for gathering functionality.
>>>  
>>> What I’d like to know is will they replace my apple watch series 1 with the 
>>> new updated series 1 which they are putting the dual core processor into
>>>  This is the same processor that they are putting in the new series 2 watch
>>>  
>>> But the new series 2 watch really does sound great,
>>>  
>>> If only I could currently afford it.
>>>  
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>>>  ] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 9:00 AM
>>> To: Macvisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: Only Apple could do this.
>>>  
>>> Hi.
>>>  
>>> I had a great laugh listening to the event when Apple said that water would 
>>> come back out of the watch speaker once it was put in water.
>>>  
>>> I’m definitely getting the new watch.  Does anyone know how independent it 
>>> is from the I phone?
>>>  
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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[Kliphton Miller]

The command you need is select all with command A, then command J, there will 
be some pop up menus, you want to sort by date added, modified, or date last 
opened, whatever your preference may be.  You can also select the check box 
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> On Sep 10, 2016, at 3:22 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
> 
> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
> 
> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
> etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
> VoiceOver.  
> 
> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
> be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
> on how this is done.
> 
> All replies welcome and thank you.
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Scott Granados]

Me too, that sounds like a fantastic feature.

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 7:34 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> It was supposed to be in the 7 series. I suspect they recently found 
> complications which could not be resolved in time. I hope it is cleared up by 
> the next iPhone.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 23:23, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> David, that is so cool.
>> 
>> So you could slap a few charging stations in your home and just charge by 
>> being in the house.  Same with your office.  I could see that being 
>> installed in other places as well like starbucks or in train cars etc.  Auto 
>> manufacturers could install that with Apple Car Play so you’re charging 
>> while driving to work or car pooling.
>> 
>> Take that Thomas Edison.;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple has an exclusive with a company which has developed a way of 
>>> performing distance wireless charging. The distance is up to 5 metres, 
>>> about 15 feet. So, within 5 metres of the charger, the iPhone automatically 
>>> starts charging.
>>> 
>>> My suspicion is they found a flaw, so deactivated the charging chip. I hope 
>>> it will be activated in the next iPhone and the next iPad. If so, I will 
>>> purchase a few wall ports so I can have charging stations in various 
>>> locations around home and the office. After all, I now use my iPhone and 
>>> iPad exclusively for work. My Mac is mainly for backing up the other 
>>> devices, updating the other devices (better update when done through 
>>> iTunes), and home file server.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 9 Sep 2016, at 00:51, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Obviously, I'm missing something. I don't understand what the big deal is 
 about wireless charging. I mean, the  pad or whatever that you put the 
 phone on has to be plugged into charge right? So what's the big deal?
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I was hoping for wireless charging as well but no such luck.
> 
> You can add it on with 3rd party hardware but what’s the point.  It 
> should be included in my opinion.
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:16 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not hear about an adapter with charging capabilities for nine 
>> dollars. I know you can get replacement adapters for $9 if you lose them.
>> I was hoping they would bring in wireless charging
>>> On 8 Sep. 2016, at 7:12 pm, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Point taken.  However, I believe that Apple will sell, (for $9.00) or 
>>> so, a version of the adapter wich DOES have the charging port.  Now, 
>>> were it up to me, I’d have encluded the charging port version.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>> blind built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 While I agree that this is being blown way out of proportion, 
 according to the images that are on the Apple website and in the store 
 app, there is not a pass the report for charging with the new 
 lightning to 3.5mm  adapter. That would probably explain why it's only 
 nine dollars to replace it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
 
> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> I am not in the least bit surprised that Apple thought this through 
> carefully. Reminds me of the date 12/2q/12 that so many believed was 
> the end of the world. The Mayans did not get it wrong, they just did 
> not get around to updating their calendar. Probably many said "I told 
> you so".
> 
> I hear that echo now. (smiles)
> 
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> 
>> On 9/7/2016 11:56 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> for folks who belly ached about not having a 100+ year old jack in 
>> your phone, you can charge and use the jack at the same time.
>> 
>> Now wasn’t all that flaming worth it?  Ah well, you know who got to 
>> spout off and get clicks for his blog.
>> 
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Re: and you can charge and have audio at the same time over 3.5 adapter

[Scott Granados]

Oh so two points here.

First, Thomas Edison screwed Nicola Tesla continuously.  It’s a really 
interesting part of world history really.  Edison hired Tesla when he came to 
the united states to work on his generators.  Tesla did about 50 thousand 
dollars worth of work which was huge money in the late 19th century early 20th. 
 When Tesla completed his work Edison refused to pay him and said “I was only 
joking”.  Tesla then got funded by JP Morgan and worked with Westinghouse 
developing the alternating current.  Tesla’s goal though was to have towers 
that would beam electricity in to the air and users would have devices that 
would pick this current up like a radio wave and use it as they need.  Tesla’s 
goal was free electricity for everyone but that was 180 degrees out of what 
Edison wanted so they battled for years.  Edison invented the electric chair 
for example to show that electricity was extremely dangerous and Tesla built 
his coil that he would stand on top and shoot electricity out of his hands to 
demonstrate that it was safe and not dangerous to people if used correctly.  I 
made the connection though because Tesla was working on the mother of all 
wireless chargers and actually went so far as to build several towers some of 
which are in my part of the world.  He also built the power system up in the 
falls which today is still one of the largest power generation facilities.  His 
AC power and transformers changed the world and are still used today. So that’s 
why I made the connection.

Second, the electro magnetic radiation thing is largely a farce and something 
that is good for conspiracy radio and selling fake vitamin pills and protectors 
but in reality it’s very safe and none of that is true.
There was a study done recently claiming cell phones were dangerous.  
What they did though was expose mice to over 1000 times the dosage that a 
person would receive in a life time.  This means they microwaved the mice.  
Sure, if I put a mouse in front of a 5 kilowatt microwave transmitter just far 
enough it won’t cook directly it’s definitely going to cause cancer.  The few 
hundred militants we’re talking about with phone for example though won’t even 
penetrate the outer layer of skin and is totally deflected by the water in your 
cells.
The University of Miami demonstrated that direct stimulation of the 
brain with high frequency radio waves at low intensity if directed properly 
could have beneficial properties for alzheimers and dementia patients.  The 
lower the frequency also the less concerning as you’re not getting close to 
resonating water molecules which is how a microwave works.
The big thing though is the inverse square law.  This means that every 
time you double your distance from a transmission source the effective radiated 
power you receive is reduced by the square route.  So for example if you were 
at 1 meter receiving 9 watts and you moved to 2 meters you now receive 3.  
That’s a very gross simplification of the math but you get the idea.  So 
basically when you’re talking wave lengths this high, even moving millimeters 
decreases the exposure by the square route.  So this effect makes it very 
difficult to be exposed to dangerous levels of EM radio waves with out very 
specific focusing, amplification and tuning of the frequency.  Hell most of 
these technologies like cell phone base stations won’t even give you RF burn if 
you directly touch the metal on the antenna.

Anyway, that’s how that works.

Thanks

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sounds intresting but how to protect you from the possible electro magnetic 
> fields?
> What does eddison has to do with wireless chargin *lol*?
> /A
>> On 9 Sep 2016, at 15:23, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> David, that is so cool.
>> 
>> So you could slap a few charging stations in your home and just charge by 
>> being in the house.  Same with your office.  I could see that being 
>> installed in other places as well like starbucks or in train cars etc.  Auto 
>> manufacturers could install that with Apple Car Play so you’re charging 
>> while driving to work or car pooling.
>> 
>> Take that Thomas Edison.;)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:13 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple has an exclusive with a company which has developed a way of 
>>> performing distance wireless charging. The distance is up to 5 metres, 
>>> about 15 feet. So, within 5 metres of the charger, the iPhone automatically 
>>> starts charging.
>>> 
>>> My suspicion is they found a flaw, so deactivated the charging chip. I hope 
>>> it will be activated in the next iPhone and the next iPad. If so, I will 
>>> purchase a few wall ports so I can have charging stations in various 
>>> locations around home and the office. After all, I now use my iPhone and 
>>> iPad exclusively for work. My Mac is mainly for backing up the other 

Re: Duxbury for Mac and Embossers

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

Choose write to printer rather than write to port.

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 5:52 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Larry,
>   I have gotten as far as setting things up in DBT Global settings. Even 
> though I added the embosser in system prefs, DBT does not see it in the write 
> to port dialog. I put the word null in the write to file dialog as you did 
> but that did not help.
> 
>   When I add the embosser in system prefs, it errors out but I could complete 
> the process if I turn it off and on again. Still need to look at that again.
> 
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> 
> On 9/8/2016 8:27 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:
>> The details are fuzzy now and I’m a relative Mac newcomer so the procedures 
>> aren’t burned in yet, but if I recall correctly, I made sure it was turned 
>> on and plugged it in.  I think I had to go to Printers and Scanners and add 
>> it.  It found it and identified it as a generic postscript printer.  That 
>> concerned me a little since Postscript has nothing to do with it, but I 
>> accepted this designation.  Associating it with DBT is somewhat tricky in 
>> that as you set it up there’s an option to print to file that you don’t 
>> want, but if you don’t put in a file name anyway then switch back away to 
>> the option you actually want it doesn’t work.  I typed in “null.”  They 
>> might have fixed that now because that was in an earlier release.  Also be 
>> aware that from the emboss panel it doesn’t work unless you navigate to the 
>> Ok button with VO and activate it.  Just pressing enter when everything is 
>> the way you want makes the dialog disappear but nothing happens.  I think 
>> this too is being fixed in the next version.  If you find and submit issues 
>> they are quick to acknowledge and work with you to find the root cause.
>> 
>>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Larry,
>>>  Installed beta 3 but have not played with it since I cannot get my Classic 
>>> connected anyway via USB. How did you manage that?
>>> 
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>>> On 9/8/2016 7:16 AM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:
 I’m using the beta with a Juliet Classic, so I can’t comment on the 
 question at hand, but I did want to warn you if you haven’t got the beta 
 yet that you will want to wait until the next build.  There are still some 
 Voiceover issues that will leave you wanting to throw heavy objects at the 
 screen.  Until they fix it I am doing my edits in windows and only using 
 the beta to translate and emboss the final product.
 
> On Sep 6, 2016, at 3:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> If anyone is running the beta software, what embossers are working well 
> on the Mac? My old Juliet has broken down which is not directly working 
> under OS X anyway.
> 
> So am exploring my options. I think it was said that the Index does its 
> own translation. Does that mean using DBT with an Index is not doable? If 
> so, what embossers will work? Thanks.
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Re: A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Mark,

In List view, you need to interact with the table then place yourself in the 
column you wish to sort. The command is then VO-Shift-\ to go into headers, 
then VO-Space to do the sort, and VO-Shift-\ to get out of headers.
The first time you press VO-Space while in headers will sort in one direction, 
and another VO-Space will sort in the other direction.

Cheers,

Anne



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> So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  
> 
> Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  
> 
> Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
> ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
> etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
> VoiceOver.  
> 
> However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
> be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
> on how this is done.
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A Quick Question About Sorting Finder List View in Either Ascending or Descending Order in El Capitan

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

So, today I inserted a USB drive in to OS X El Capitan.  

Upon opening the drive, in Finder, I switched to list view.  

Try as I may, I could not discover how to sort the files via
ascending/descending order.  I could organize them by name, date created,
etc but there did/does not appear to be a way to change the order, via
VoiceOver.  

However, as I post this question, I do seem to remember that there used to
be a way to do this in Mountain Lion.  So, perhaps, I just need a reminder
on how this is done.

All replies welcome and thank you.

Mark 

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