Re: movie audio description app

[Charlie Doremus]

Disney anywhere. It seems pretty
Straightforward to use. It's in the App Store. 

Aloha,

Charlie 

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am planning on going to see the new Star Wars movie Rogue 1 on Friday. I 
> think the Star Wars movies are now put out by pixar which has an app for 
> Audio Description if I remember right. Does anyone know what the app is 
> called and how it works?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gabe
> 
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

Our sales people for these things no less than I do which is why I have fun 
with their computers,

   On the funny side I set one of their mac book pro machines to a greak 
keyboard and Spanish display languages  it appears they reset it back to 
factory defaults.

Anyway

What is the Samsung tv model you  have with the accessibility features?

I asked the sale guy  about accessibility in the samsungs but he couldn’t find 
anything in the models they had in store,

 I’m not really a sony fan so if I could stay with Smsung  then I’d prefer to.

The fact the android OS was fully accessible  was the reason I was starting to 
look at that more than anything else.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 

movie audio description app

[Gabe Griffith]

Hi all,

I am planning on going to see the new Star Wars movie Rogue 1 on Friday. I 
think the Star Wars movies are now put out by pixar which has an app for Audio 
Description if I remember right. Does anyone know what the app is called and 
how it works?

Thanks,

Gabe


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skype and ios weirdness

[jean parker]

Hello All:

I have several skype accounts and today when I signed out of one and attempted 
to sign into another of my accounts the app wouldn't let me sign in. I enter 
the password and hit the sign in button but instead of opening the account it 
goes to a page where it is asking for date of birth, location etc, as if it 
thinks I want to open a new account. I have tried to sign in on two different 
accounts and get the same behavior each time. So I tried reinstalling skype to 
see if that helped but there was no change. The accounts are intact as I can 
sign in and out of them with no trouble on my computer.

Has anyone else had this happen and if so, how did you fix it?

As always, thank you in advance for any ideas or suggestions,

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon, all I can say is I hope you check out Samsung TVs before you decide 
to buy a Sony. I say that because in my experience, the Samsung I just 
purchased was a lot cheaper than a Sony I have recently Seen discussed on an 
android list. They both have excess ability. I paid $219 US for a Samsung TV 32 
inches with excess ability. There is an android Sony TV probably the one you 
have been talking about, which is twice that if not more. But I don't see any 
point. Sure, you may have to get a little bit of cited help start out with the 
Samsung TV. But I am just not convinced that the android thing is worth it on 
the TV. I could take the money I saved I'm not buying that Sony and spend it on 
a really awesome pair of headphones, which I did. And I think I'll be ahead. 
But to each their own.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:17 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
>  
> I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,
>  
> However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to 
> change my mind.
>  
> I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
> changing my mind,
>  
> Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
> Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as 
> well as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in 
> these tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv 
> without sighted assistance.
>  
> As for google docks and chrome vox,
>  
>   This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
> suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.
>  
> Google are doing some good thigns,
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind 
> people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So how good is chrome vox?
>  
> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>  
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Donna Goodin]

It does, but if you press the FN key, my method will work.
Donna
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 11:35 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> But does that depend on what state the touch bar is in at the time you try to 
> turn on voiceover?
> 
> I mean the touch bar can be used with different apps and have different roles 
>  so is it changing the state of the F5 key if you have say Safari open and 
> active at the time you try to enabled / disable  voiceover?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 2:36 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?
> 
> Just to add to this, one thing I figured out is that if you orient by the 
> number keys, it is possible to find a certain function key on the touch bar.  
> For example, F5 is just above the number five key.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 12:11 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> This will sound strange, but I got it to work. If one knows where the f5 key 
>> is on the touch bar, pressing fn (the key in the lower left corner) command, 
>> f5 will start and stop voiceover on the new macbook with touch bar.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 25/12/2016, at 15:14, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With the touch bar and fingerprint reader it’s command triple press the ID 
>>> button I believe.
>>> 
 On Dec 25, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a quiet 
 moment between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this question 
 to the list.
 
 I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa was 
 generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
 store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone 
 refresh my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in 
 a way that would be tricky without eyeballs.
 
 I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again.  I 
 thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Donna Goodin]

I agree with Mary completely, here.  Google seems to think it's fine to ignore 
standard conventions, and make blind users learn their system.  I don't 
consider that acceptable.  While it's true that different OSes have different 
key commands, Google refuses to utilize the existing structure of the OS, 
making users learn a whole new set of commands to accommodate them.  For as 
long as I have the choice to do so, I will refuse to use Google for that reason 
alone.  I realize that they don't care about my small protest, but I will do it 
anyway, and will continue to mark them down for accessibility.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
> resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
> play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
> Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
> lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
> HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. 
> But I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've 
> played with the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind 
> people to learn a whole different system just because they can..
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
>> So how good is chrome vox?
>>  
>> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
>> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>>  
>> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
>>  
>> 
>> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>>  
>> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola > > wrote:
>> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
>> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
>> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
>> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
>> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
>> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
>> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
>> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

I can’t say I’mm really a fan boy of Google for most of their products,

However as I’m some what looking for a new tv currently I’m starting to change 
my mind.

I’ve never really been a fan of Sony but the new Sony Android tvs  I’m realy 
changing my mind,

Playing around with the Sony 8500 TV today
Talkback allowed us to work through menus and channels / input sources as well 
as the multiple menu levels with speech enabled Sony and Google have in these 
tv’s given us the sightless more of an ability to control the tv without 
sighted assistance.

As for google docks and chrome vox,

  This is surely just a start for Google and with time they will make the g 
suite usable with voiceover or even jaws / widnow eyes.

Google are doing some good thigns,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
>
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it 
actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Mary Otten]

There is no cost. And I can't talk about how good it is or isn't. Frankly, I 
resented chrome box from the beginning. Because I thought the Google should 
play along with the screen readers and not expect people to learn a specific 
Screenwitter just so they can access their stuff. I mean after all, we have 
lots of standards. Why did google have to do something weird and different? 
HTML is HTML. But not if your Google. So I have a bias against chrome box. But 
I can't speak to how good it is or is not. I think Google should've played with 
the standards that existed already in HTML and not expected blind people to 
learn a whole different system just because they can..
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So how good is chrome vox?
>  
> And is there a cost to get access to it?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover
>  
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>  
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google 
> on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for 
> the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to 
> and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut 
> to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure 
> quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? 
> Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: bluetooth headphone strangeness

[Simon Fogarty]

And on this,

I got myself the Plantronics voyager 5200 today, that’s the 5220  but without 
the car charger, as soon as I paired it with my iPhone 7+ the Plantronics hub 
popped up and let me know there was a firmware update,

It also let me install it with the headset running and connected to the phone,

My edge doesn’t let me do this or at least hasn’t given that option.

The Jawbone Plantronics and blue ant devices also have a software package  for 
each that allow you to update firmware from your computer.




From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth headphone strangeness

Hi Scott,

Do you know how I can update firmware on LG HBS-1100?

I tried Googling, but cannot find a utility, release notes, or if this is even 
possible.

Hoping you're able to help :)

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 4:12 PM Scott Granados 
> wrote:
HI Ray, so most modern headsets have a firmware component and a settings 
component.  You install one form of updater or another, plantronics uses the 
headset updater, the jawbone uses the jawbone update tool and so forth.  It’s 
very likely your manufacturer has a set of tools or both updating your headset 
and configuring it.  Firmware updates are important, just like operating system 
updates you get bug fixes and added features.  You will want to google your 
headset name and model and something like firmware or settings.  That should 
help you activate and disable the features you want. Let me know if you have 
any further questions.

Thanks

On Dec 26, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Ray Foret jr 
> wrote:

Configuration for headset?  Where would I find that?  I assume that to get to 
it, I’d have to have it connected?
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:

Hey Ray, about the call quality issue, I have some ideas that may help you.

I’m not sure the carrier you use, if you use T-Mobile you’re set for this out 
of the box, if you use Verizon you need to activate advanced calling features 
on your phone, you can do that through the web portal or by calling customer 
service.  It’s a free feature.  If you use AT same deal, Sprint is hit or 
miss.
On your iPhone select settings, cellular, insure cellular data is enabled and 
under the cellular options make sure that both voice and data are enabled for 
LTE.  If all these things are set you should get a call that sounds much more 
like FaceTime or Skype if you call someone who supports the high bandwidth 
calling.  Also, if you have a configuration too for your new headset insure 
that wide band calling is enabled.  Even with out wide band calling enabling 
this tends to make the audio a little less crunchy.

Good luck
Scott

On Dec 26, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Ray Foret jr 
> wrote:

Yo Dave, thanks but I already knew that.  I think perhaps you missunderstood me 
due to the fact that I failed to mention that I did in fact bring up the mini 
player window.  Inside the mini player window, I double tapped and held down 
the next track button.  Under ordinary circumstances, as you properly 
indicated, skimming forward and backwards through a track does in fact work:  
however, with the bluetooth headphones I have connected, this does not work.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:

When in iOS, Apple Music now brings up the mini player. Double-tap on the 
expand mini player button. When in the full player screen, previous and skip 
will scan forward and back through the track with double-tap and hold. When the 
button is then released, the scan stops. Note: the scan starts after the hold 
has lasted for about a second.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 26/12/2016, at 12:37, Ray Foret jr 
> wrote:
Okay,

Yesterday, I was gifted a pair of bluetooth headphones, (Philips SHB5500).  
Very nice sound except when on the phone, the sound tends to suffer quite a 
bit.  I guess Philips did that on purpose to help spare the battery.  Anyhow, 
that’s not my 

RE: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Simon Fogarty]

So how good is chrome vox?

And is there a cost to get access to it?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 7:22 AM
To: MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already been 
addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from google on 
using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit field for the 
body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and 
activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to 
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure quicknav was 
off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am I missing? Or is it 
actually just a mess anyway?
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RE: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

 But does that depend on what state the touch bar is in at the time you try to 
turn on voiceover?

 I mean the touch bar can be used with different apps and have different roles  
so is it changing the state of the F5 key if you have say Safari open and 
active at the time you try to enabled / disable  voiceover?


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2016 2:36 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

Just to add to this, one thing I figured out is that if you orient by the 
number keys, it is possible to find a certain function key on the touch bar.  
For example, F5 is just above the number five key.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 12:11 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> This will sound strange, but I got it to work. If one knows where the f5 key 
> is on the touch bar, pressing fn (the key in the lower left corner) command, 
> f5 will start and stop voiceover on the new macbook with touch bar.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25/12/2016, at 15:14, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> With the touch bar and fingerprint reader it’s command triple press the ID 
>> button I believe.
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a quiet moment 
>>> between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this question to the 
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa was 
>>> generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
>>> store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone 
>>> refresh my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in 
>>> a way that would be tricky without eyeballs.
>>> 
>>> I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again.  I 
>>> thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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RE: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David and List,

 
I just had a play with the 15inchMBP in a store here and managed to some how 
put my finger on  the siri button on the right hand end of the touch bar,  or 
possibly it was the power button but anyway tapping this 3 times and saying 
"Turn Voiceover On"  started voiceover up.

   Then sliding my finger across the touch bar slowly spoke out all the buttons 
on the bar,   crazy enough it didn't tell me volume up / down  but did give 
Mute as the option directly to the left of siri.

I still think this needs work myself but it's very doable with multiple options 
 to start voiceover up.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Wednesday, 28 December 2016 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

This will sound strange, but I got it to work. If one knows where the f5 key is 
on the touch bar, pressing fn (the key in the lower left corner) command, f5 
will start and stop voiceover on the new macbook with touch bar.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 25/12/2016, at 15:14, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> With the touch bar and fingerprint reader it’s command triple press the ID 
> button I believe.
> 
>> On Dec 25, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a quiet moment 
>> between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this question to the 
>> list.
>> 
>> I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa was 
>> generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
>> store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone 
>> refresh my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in a 
>> way that would be tricky without eyeballs.
>> 
>> I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again.  I 
>> thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/1632201?hl=en

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:29 PM Matthew Dyer 
wrote:

> Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox.  I would
> like to take a good luck at this.
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
> On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>
> I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
>
> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
> It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola 
> wrote:
>
> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results.
> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What
> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Matthew Dyer]

Is there a set of command keys someware to work with chromevox. I would 
like to take a good luck at this.



Matthew




On 12/28/2016 01:22 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola > wrote:


Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's
already been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help
information from google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I
can't even find the edit field for the body of the document, just
the field for giving it a title. Navigating to and activating a
menu, or using the VO passthrough key and then the shortcut to
activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. I made sure
quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What am
I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Re: bluetooth headphone strangeness

[Kevin Chao]

Hi Scott,

Do you know how I can update firmware on LG HBS-1100?

I tried Googling, but cannot find a utility, release notes, or if this is
even possible.

Hoping you're able to help :)

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 4:12 PM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> HI Ray, so most modern headsets have a firmware component and a settings
> component.  You install one form of updater or another, plantronics uses
> the headset updater, the jawbone uses the jawbone update tool and so
> forth.  It’s very likely your manufacturer has a set of tools or both
> updating your headset and configuring it.  Firmware updates are important,
> just like operating system updates you get bug fixes and added features.
> You will want to google your headset name and model and something like
> firmware or settings.  That should help you activate and disable the
> features you want. Let me know if you have any further questions.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>
> Configuration for headset?  Where would I find that?  I assume that to get
> to it, I’d have to have it connected?
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
>
> Hey Ray, about the call quality issue, I have some ideas that may help you.
>
> I’m not sure the carrier you use, if you use T-Mobile you’re set for this
> out of the box, if you use Verizon you need to activate advanced calling
> features on your phone, you can do that through the web portal or by
> calling customer service.  It’s a free feature.  If you use AT same deal,
> Sprint is hit or miss.
> On your iPhone select settings, cellular, insure cellular data is enabled
> and under the cellular options make sure that both voice and data are
> enabled for LTE.  If all these things are set you should get a call that
> sounds much more like FaceTime or Skype if you call someone who supports
> the high bandwidth calling.  Also, if you have a configuration too for your
> new headset insure that wide band calling is enabled.  Even with out wide
> band calling enabling this tends to make the audio a little less crunchy.
>
> Good luck
> Scott
>
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>
> Yo Dave, thanks but I already knew that.  I think perhaps you
> missunderstood me due to the fact that I failed to mention that I did in
> fact bring up the mini player window.  Inside the mini player window, I
> double tapped and held down the next track button.  Under ordinary
> circumstances, as you properly indicated, skimming forward and backwards
> through a track does in fact work:  however, with the bluetooth headphones
> I have connected, this does not work.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, David Chittenden 
> wrote:
>
> When in iOS, Apple Music now brings up the mini player. Double-tap on the
> expand mini player button. When in the full player screen, previous and
> skip will scan forward and back through the track with double-tap and hold.
> When the button is then released, the scan stops. Note: the scan starts
> after the hold has lasted for about a second.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 <+61%20488%20988%20936>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26/12/2016, at 12:37, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>
> Okay,
>
> Yesterday, I was gifted a pair of bluetooth headphones, (Philips
> SHB5500).  Very nice sound except when on the phone, the sound tends to
> suffer quite a bit.  I guess Philips did that on purpose to help spare the
> battery.  Anyhow, that’s not my question.  My questions are these.
>
> 1.  When listening to a track on the Apple Music app, I noticed that it is
> not possible to skimm through a track like you do on CD player.  Double
> tapping and holding the next button does not perform its usual function.
> Any way around this?
>
> 2.  Also, while there is no audio skipping on those headphones when
> connected to my iPhone7+, there is audio skipping when connected to my
> Mac.  Any reason for this and anything I can do about it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind
> built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>
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Re: Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kevin Chao]

I use and recommend ChromeVox on mac:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chromevox/kgejglhpjiefppelpmljglcjbhoiplfn
It provides a lot better experience with G Suite.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 5:59 AM Kat DeNicola  wrote:

> Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already
> been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from
> google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit
> field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title.
> Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and
> then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results.
> I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What
> am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?
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Problems using AVCLabs Audiobook Convertor

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I wonder if anybody on the list uses AVCLabs Audiobook Convertor to convert 
audiobooks purchased via itunes or from Audible into mp3 format which one can 
play on any player.  I've used this app successfully for a number of years and 
never had problems.  All of a sudden, as soon as I launch it - which also 
launches itunes in the background - Voiceover begins to stutter and after a few 
minutes it crashes.  Any similar experiences everyone? 

Also, if I can't make this app work again, what do you use to convert 
audiobooks bought via itunes or Audible to strip the protection and convert to 
mp3 format?

Many thanks for any comments

Andrew

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Using Google docs, etc., on mac with voiceover

[Kat DeNicola]

Hi. Haven't had time to do a topic search for this, so maybe it's already 
been addressed, but I'm having no luck using the help information from 
google on using docs with voiceover on the mac. I can't even find the edit 
field for the body of the document, just the field for giving it a title. 
Navigating to and activating a menu, or using the VO passthrough key and 
then the shortcut to activate a specific menu, yields inconsistent results. 
I made sure quicknav was off and that screen reader mode was enabled. What 
am I missing? Or is it actually just a mess anyway?

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Re: command for turning on VO on the new Macs?

[Donna Goodin]

Just to add to this, one thing I figured out is that if you orient by the 
number keys, it is possible to find a certain function key on the touch bar.  
For example, F5 is just above the number five key.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 12:11 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
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> This will sound strange, but I got it to work. If one knows where the f5 key 
> is on the touch bar, pressing fn (the key in the lower left corner) command, 
> f5 will start and stop voiceover on the new macbook with touch bar.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 25/12/2016, at 15:14, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> With the touch bar and fingerprint reader it’s command triple press the ID 
>> button I believe.
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday.  I'm enjoying a quiet moment 
>>> between two Christmas celebrations and wanted to post this question to the 
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> I had the chance to test drive the new MBP the other day, and Santa was 
>>> generous, so I think I'll be getting one soon.  When I was in the Apple 
>>> store, I couldn't remember the command for activating VO.  Can someone 
>>> refresh my memory?  The salesperson did get VO turned on, but he did so in 
>>> a way that would be tricky without eyeballs.
>>> 
>>> I know this question has come up before, so sorry for asking again.  I 
>>> thought I'd saved that message, but can't seem to put my hands on it.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
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