Re: new mac books

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which is 
what I have.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> there or not.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> models still have the boot chime?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>>> 
>>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>>> spec'ed out completely,
>>> 
>>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>>> range?
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
>>> 
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Re: new mac books

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm currently 
beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still there or not.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
>> 
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Re: new mac books

[lenron brown]

Yeah I was kind of sad when I heard they got rid of that. I don't
think there was a good reason for this.

On 6/3/19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Don't know why they removed something that has been part f the apple
> computer  world for many many years,
>
> It use to indicate that all services were functioning correctly.
>  Oh and that wally was charging but whether that still fits I can't be
> sure.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 6:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new mac books
>
> Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was removed
> from what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick up any that
> still have it unused.
>
> As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users, perhaps
> I should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to automated sounds
> from their machines, even at the boot stage.
>
> However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable
> option those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine
> profiles.
>
> I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too restricted by
> machine model. I could be wrong.
>
> Janina
>
>
> Julie Rattray writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways
>> and have wondered why the removed it
>>
>> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and
>> > it does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new
>> > release models no longer have the Boot Chime.
>> >
>> > Later...
>> >
>> > Tim Kilburn
>> > Apple Teacher
>> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >  Jamf Certified Associate
>> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> >
>> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> > models still have the boot chime?
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> > Simon Fogarty writes:
>> >> Hi Listers,
>> >>
>> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11"
>> >> MacBookAir,
>> >>
>> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently
>> >> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being
>> >> able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out
>> >> completely,
>> >>
>> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple
>> >> to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book
>> >> pro range?
>> >>
>> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't
>> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book
>> >> line?
>> >>
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

Don't know why they removed something that has been part f the apple computer  
world for many many years,

It use to indicate that all services were functioning correctly.
 Oh and that wally was charging but whether that still fits I can't be sure.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 6:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was removed from 
what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick up any that still 
have it unused.

As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users, perhaps I 
should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to automated sounds from 
their machines, even at the boot stage.

However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable option 
those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine profiles.

I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too restricted by 
machine model. I could be wrong.

Janina


Julie Rattray writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways 
> and have wondered why the removed it
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> > does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> > models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Jamf Certified Associate
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017 
> > models still have the boot chime?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> >> MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> >> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being 
> >> able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out 
> >> completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >> range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
> >> 
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RE: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

[Simon Fogarty]

I can’t get it even on my phone let alone my tv.

From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 5:49 AM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
Cheers,
Donna



Begin forwarded message:

From: Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>>
Subject: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?
Date: June 3, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM CDT
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com>>

Trying to figure out if the problem is on Apple's end, or due to our lousy 
internet service.
Donna

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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

I can not be sure,
I thought they did,

Really what I want to know is if they would bring back the 11" MBA 
That's what I am going to be replacing.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 5:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017 models 
still have the boot chime?

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
> MacBookAir,
> 
> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
> available 2017 version of the mac book air, Apart from only being able 
> to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if spec'ed out completely,
> 
> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to put 
> the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
> 
> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
> use to the keys on the keyboard.
> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
> 
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RE: new mac books

[Simon Fogarty]

HI tim,

>From us we’re looking at approx. 2500 Km to the west in probably Sydney as the 
>closest.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi,

Hmmm, I'm not sure that access to an Apple Store is really a consideration up 
here.  The nearest one is about 500 km south of here.  I guess that if you 
don't have any at all in NZ, then you're doing better, but not a factor in my 
world.

aLater...

Tim Kilburn
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On Jun 2, 2019, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Yeah Hi Tim,

I kind of guessed as much but thought there might be something we don’t know of 
down under,
Hell Petrus and I have no access to apple stores like you guys or even 
Australia have.

If I can’t get it replaced via insurance then I’ll have to splash out and 
purchase a customised 2017 MBA with the older and nicer keyboard style,

Although the Pro is a nice machines.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, 3 June 2019 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new mac books

Hi,

I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



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On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,

Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,
Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,

However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?

I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.
Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.
Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?

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RE: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

[Simon Fogarty]

It's now 1:09PM Tuesday here in NZ and it's still not available on the web or 
apple tv.

I've been trying to play it for a few hours and it's just a message saying that 
it will be available soon.
The web just gives links to the different sections of the presentation 

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2019 7:22 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

I think so, yeah.
Donna


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:20 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Bummer. Can one watch it later on ATV? I may go back and see more of it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
> true?
> 
> On 6/3/2019 12:16 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Nah, our internet's been in and out lately.  I'm sure it's 
>> Windstream. :( Donna
>>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:09 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>   Came up fine on the ATV. I was late but came in just before the Catalina 
>>> presentation. Fascinating changes. Will have to get the beta and look it 
>>> over.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were 
>>> true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/3/2019 10:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> *From: *Donna Goodin  >
> *Subject: **Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?*
> *Date: *June 3, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM CDT
> *To: *'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Trying to figure out if the problem is on Apple's end, or due to our 
> lousy internet service.
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

That might well be true, as long as Pages supports all of the necessary 
features of the original Microsoft Word document. When I last read a review, 
Pages didn’t support everything. My impression is that LibreOffice is more 
comprehensive in its feature support, but that isn’t accessible on the Mac. (It 
is somewhat under Linux, but not including comments and change tracking.)

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Julie 
Rattray 
Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 08:34
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

 

Hi,

 

If you use pages it will convert a word doc with comments into pages and when 
you export back to word it retains comments so it is easier, I think to do all 
this kind of editing in pages. 



On 3 Jun 2019, at 13:06, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

 

My experience is that comments and change tracking can crash Microsoft Word and 
both JAWS and NVDA, in the Windows environment. I’ve lost work as a result. 
This is also an area in which Microsoft Word for Mac could benefit from 
accessibility improvements, although, on the positive side, it doesn’t seem to 
crash as its Windows counterpart does.

 

I tend to avoid word processors when writing my own documents, but I sometimes 
need to collaborate on Microsoft Word files, or to submit documents in that 
format.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Leo Bado 

Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 06:15
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

 

Hi,

Well I am grateful as well for this feature: I mean it is fantastic. Yesterday 
I was trying to make comments and reply in a word document, but neither jaws or 
n v d a were working as expected in office 365. It might have been that there 
were so many comments and insertions that both screen readers crushed out.  
Therefore, I turned on my mac and everything was smooth sailing from that point 
on. The only thing that I find a bit annoying  is that when I want to read the 
document with no distractions, voice over keeps verbalizing the first comment 
in an annotation, but I guess I just will have to copy the text on textedit and 
turn back to pages each time I want to make a new comment or reply to a 
previous one.


"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
 
 
Leo Bado
El 03/06/2019 a las 2:16, Julie Rattray escribió:

Hi, 

 

Never tried turning them off because I was so glad when they started to be read 
out   




On 1 Jun 2019, at 15:23, Leo Bado  wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

My question is simple:

How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?

 

I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under the view 
menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level as the default 
verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for something in voice over 
utilities that can be related to comments or annotations but I haven’t found 
anything.

 

Does someone know how to do this?

 

 

 

 
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Re: new mac books

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Can Grub be installed on a recent Mac? If so, it might be your solution.

I know their UEFI implementation is non-standard, but it's still a worthwhile 
question.

On 6/3/19, 14:37, "'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries" 
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I can't imagine what that could be.

I note that grub offers the option of playing sound. If one wants sound
in a grub mediated boot, one is able to add a directive to provide that.

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some 
Apple System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably 
some firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
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> 
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> 
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> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
have wondered why the removed it 
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model 
and it does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
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> > 
> > 
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> >  Jamf Certified Associate
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> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
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> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" 
MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently 
available 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine 
if spec'ed out completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple 
to put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still 
can't get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book 
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Re: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

lol.  I was trying to avoid using that or similar words, as they distress the 
moderators.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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> Your sucky internet service.  Stream was fine for me.
> 
> Sorry Donna, but, you kind of described it that way.
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> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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> Sincerely,
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Re: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

[Raymond Foret Jr]

Your sucky internet service.  Stream was fine for me.

Sorry Donna, but, you kind of described it that way.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

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Re: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I think so, yeah.
Donna


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 2:20 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Bummer. Can one watch it later on ATV? I may go back and see more of it.
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>> Nah, our internet's been in and out lately.  I'm sure it's Windstream. :(
>> Donna
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>>>   Came up fine on the ATV. I was late but came in just before the Catalina 
>>> presentation. Fascinating changes. Will have to get the beta and look it 
>>> over.
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>>> On 6/3/2019 10:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
 Cheers,
 Donna
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> *Subject: **Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?*
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Re: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

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   Bummer. Can one watch it later on ATV? I may go back and see more of it.

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On 6/3/2019 12:16 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Nah, our internet's been in and out lately.  I'm sure it's Windstream. :(
Donna


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Hi Donna,
   Came up fine on the ATV. I was late but came in just before the Catalina 
presentation. Fascinating changes. Will have to get the beta and look it over.

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Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
Cheers,
Donna

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*Subject: **Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?*
*Date: *June 3, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM CDT
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Trying to figure out if the problem is on Apple's end, or due to our lousy 
internet service.
Donna

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Re: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

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Nah, our internet's been in and out lately.  I'm sure it's Windstream. :(
Donna

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> On 6/3/2019 10:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Dragging and dropping on the Mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I don't know what was going on but after all the TM files were 
copied to the new location, it still kept doing something. I had to stop 
the process and found that at least 100gigs was added.


   And now since I had rebooted, the troublesome partition is not 
mountable. As soon as it mounts I will format it and test it a while 
before I out it to use again.


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On 5/30/2019 2:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Sorry, I led you astray.  I missed a command in the instructions.  Too 
much going on here, I guess.  Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to 
it.  Try these instructions instead:


1.  Make sure that the app window where you wish to drop is open.
2.  Navigate to the Applications folder.
3.  Navigate to the app you wish to drag.
4.  press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if on a laptop) to make sure that the mouse 
is where VO is announcing.

5.  Press VO-cmd-shift-space to pick it up.  VO will announce "Mouse down".
6.  Use App Chooser to get to the app where you plan to drop.
7.  Navigate to the drop location, press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if on a 
laptop) to bring the mouse to VO.


For #7, make sure that you've interacted with the area where you're 
supposed to drop if it is a table, scroll area or some other special 
element.


8.  Press VO-cmd-shift-space to drop.  VO will announce "Mouse up" to 
let you know that it was released.


That's what I get for being in a hurry and not checking over my 
instructions.  Hope this works better for you.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

  Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 30, 2019, at 14:27, Ronald van Rhijn > wrote:


Tim, me again… dont work here. When I press vo+cmd+F5 Voice Over doesnt 
say anything about the mouse being down, only something like Capital I 
or word I.

The FN key I dont have to use on my full size keyboard.
Is there perhaps some Voice Over setting I should change? Or is the OS X 
version of influence? I still run Sierra.


thanks,
Ronald

Op 30 mei 2019, om 16:49 heeft 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> het volgende geschreven:


Hi,

That version of Drag & Drop does not normally work in the situation 
you're outlining.  Try using the original Drag & Drop method.  Make 
sure that the app window where you wish to drop is open.  Navigate to 
the Applications folder, navigate to the app you wish to drag, press 
VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if on a laptop) to pick it up.  VO will announce 
"Mouse down".  Use App Chooser to get to the app where you plan to 
drop, navigate to the drop locations, press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if on a 
laptop) to drop.  VO will announce "Mouse up" to let you know that it 
was released.


Sometimes, even this method will not work.  Drag  Drop is an awkward 
method for these sorts of actions, but it appears that many developers 
like to use it for the sighted world.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)


 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 30, 2019, at 08:38, Ronald van Rhijn > wrote:


Hi list,

What are your experiences with dragging and dropping on the Mac? I 
probably never managed to succesfully do it when I tried it and have 
tried it it for the last two days, without succes again.


This is what I am trying to do and how I do it:

I want to drag an app onto another app. I open the app on which the 
other app has to be dropped.
Then I open up the Application folder, select the desired app and then 
press vo+comma  to mark it for dragging.
After that I switch with command+tab to the destinated app and press 
vo+period. I hear some moving sound, but get the message that it could 
not be dropped.
I have been thinking that its perhaps only possible when both app and 
Finder windows are visible, but have no idea if this is the case and 
how to get it done if possible.


Copying and pasting doesn’t work either.

Anyone have some advice or ideas?

Lots of thanks in advance!

Ronald

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Re: Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

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Hi Donna,
   Came up fine on the ATV. I was late but came in just before the 
Catalina presentation. Fascinating changes. Will have to get the beta 
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Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
Cheers,
Donna



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*Date: *June 3, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM CDT
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Trying to figure out if the problem is on Apple's end, or due to our 
lousy internet service.

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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I can't imagine what that could be.

I note that grub offers the option of playing sound. If one wants sound
in a grub mediated boot, one is able to add a directive to provide that.

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some Apple 
> System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably some 
> firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.
> 
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> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
> have wondered why the removed it 
> 
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> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> > does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
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> > Janina
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> > Simon Fogarty writes:
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> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
> >> 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> >> spec'ed out completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >> range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> >> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I'm not surprised. I'm just not recalling exactly when it was
removed from what models, and whether or not it's now too late to pick
up any that still have it unused.

As to why, I suspect it's as simple as most sighted computer users,
perhaps I should say many sighted users have a strong aversion to
automated sounds from their machines, even at the boot stage.

However, what is not understandable is why this can't be a configurable
option those of us who rely on it might choose to invoke in ou machine
profiles.

I think someone filed a bug, but I also think it was a bug too
restricted by machine model. I could be wrong.

Janina


Julie Rattray writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
> have wondered why the removed it 
> 
> > On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> > does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> > models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> > 
> > Later...
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > 
> > 
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> >  Jamf Certified Associate
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> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> > models still have the boot chime?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> >> Hi Listers,
> >> 
> >> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> >> 
> >> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
> >> 2017 version of the mac book air,
> >> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> >> spec'ed out completely,
> >> 
> >> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
> >> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
> >> range?
> >> 
> >> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't 
> >> get use to the keys on the keyboard.
> >> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
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Re: new mac books

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I am sure there will be a reason but it is one of those odd annoyances

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 19:20, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some Apple 
> System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably some 
> firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and 
> have wondered why the removed it 
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
>> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
>> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> models still have the boot chime?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>>> 
>>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>>> spec'ed out completely,
>>> 
>>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>>> range?
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I'm not sure why they removed it either.  I've made my noise to some Apple 
System Engineers, but really haven't got any traction.  There's probably some 
firmware level security reason, but I'm not smart enough to know it.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)



 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:50, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and have 
wondered why the removed it 

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
>> 
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Re: new mac books

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I have a 2018 model and no boot chime I really missed it in many ways and have 
wondered why the removed it 

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 18:48, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
> does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release 
> models no longer have the Boot Chime.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> 
> 
> 
>  Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Disregard Fwd: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Still can't get it on our Apple TV, but am streaming it on my phone.
Cheers,
Donna


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> From: Donna Goodin 
> Subject: Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?
> Date: June 3, 2019 at 12:01:52 PM CDT
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Trying to figure out if the problem is on Apple's end, or due to our lousy 
> internet service.
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

The MBP models no longer have the Boot Chime.  I have the 2017 model and it 
does not have the Boot Chime.  I'm pretty sure that all the new release models 
no longer have the Boot Chime.

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On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:45, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
models still have the boot chime?

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> 
> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
> version of the mac book air,
> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> spec'ed out completely,
> 
> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to put 
> the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
> 
> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
> use to the keys on the keyboard.
> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Anyone else having trouble streaming the WWDC?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Trying to figure out if the problem is on Apple's end, or due to our lousy 
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Re: new mac books

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
models still have the boot chime?

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Listers,
> 
> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
> 
> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
> version of the mac book air,
> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
> spec'ed out completely,
> 
> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to put 
> the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
> 
> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
> use to the keys on the keyboard.
> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: Buying a mac: back to the drawing board

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Absolutely agree with getting the more powerful system. It will remain
your friend far longer that way.

I also agree with Simon's point that you might want more storage.

PS: Anymore I personally consider 32Gb RAM a minimal system. I prefer as
much RAM as I can afford, with my second priority being a more capable
CPU. I would note that I also look for CPU with significant L2 cache.

So, more storage is third in my personal priorities. Yes, you probably
should go to 512, but you can always add storage via USB 3.x ports.
That's not a bad option given this is not a portable system intended for
use on an airplane tray table.

Best,

Janina

B G writes:
> apple have just confirmed the refund for the MacBook by email. I
> decided that a mac Mini would meet my use-cases more wholesomely than
> a MacBook. Initially the plan was to stick to the same hardware
> parameters - 16GB ram, 256GB ssd and an i5 processor. The nice man
> from Apple however is offering me a much more impressive machine for a
> very reasonable price. it has a 32GB ram, 256GB ssd and an i7
> processor. yes, plenty oomf there ladies and gentlemen but my question
> is, do I need that much power given what I would use it for? To recap,
> my two main use-cases are: (a) running copies of MS Windows
> simultaneously on VMWare Fusion and (b) programming for Mac OS and
> iOS.  At a later date I might even decide to load it with Logic pro
> and N.I. for making music, but that really is not a priority at this
> point in time.
> In short, will a machine of that description offer marked, significant
> improvement over one with the specification I previously had in mind?
> Thoughts from everyone and specially the more experienced hacks would
> be gratefully received.
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Re: Maildrop is not working on all my APple Machines, any idea?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Ok.
I actually haven’t played with maildrop at all so i am not sure it doesn’t work.
I hope someone can chime in here and help.
/A

> 3 juni 2019 kl. 17:07 skrev Ramy Moustafa :
> 
> Hi:
> 
> no at all, am sending to another 1.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:59 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Are you trying to mail to your own address?
>> If so you could try using airdrop instead to send things to an Ios device or 
>> mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 3 juni 2019 kl. 14:45 skrev Ramy Moustafa :
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> I was using The maildrop to send any large files, but from more than a 
>>> month, i can not use it, i did not get any errors or something, but the 
>>> message delevered as empty message, with no links, and of cores i did not 
>>> exceed the 1 TB size on maildrop.
>>> so any ideas what may cause this?
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Re: Maildrop is not working on all my APple Machines, any idea?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

no at all, am sending to another 1.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:59 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Are you trying to mail to your own address?
> If so you could try using airdrop instead to send things to an Ios device or 
> mac.
> /A
> 
>> 3 juni 2019 kl. 14:45 skrev Ramy Moustafa :
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I was using The maildrop to send any large files, but from more than a 
>> month, i can not use it, i did not get any errors or something, but the 
>> message delevered as empty message, with no links, and of cores i did not 
>> exceed the 1 TB size on maildrop.
>> so any ideas what may cause this?
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Re: new mac books

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Hmmm, I'm not sure that access to an Apple Store is really a consideration up 
here.  The nearest one is about 500 km south of here.  I guess that if you 
don't have any at all in NZ, then you're doing better, but not a factor in my 
world.

aLater...

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On Jun 2, 2019, at 21:51, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah Hi Tim,
 
I kind of guessed as much but thought there might be something we don’t know of 
down under,
Hell Petrus and I have no access to apple stores like you guys or even 
Australia have.
 
If I can’t get it replaced via insurance then I’ll have to splash out and 
purchase a customised 2017 MBA with the older and nicer keyboard style,
 
Although the Pro is a nice machines.
 
 
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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Subject: Re: new mac books
 
Hi,
 
I've not heard of such a thing and I really doubt that it will ever be an 
option.  They may design a new non-butterfly option at some point, but I 
believe, from history, that once they move forward with something like the new 
design, you're out of luck with them going back.
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
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 Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 05:12, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
 
Hi Listers,
 
It’s looking like I’m going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11” MacBookAir,
 
Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 2017 
version of the mac book air,
Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it’s an ok machine if 
spec’ed out completely,
 
However what I’m really wondering is if it’s really possible for apple to put 
the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro range?
 
I’ve been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can’t get use 
to the keys on the keyboard.
Preferring my 11” MBA keyboard.
Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
 
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Re: Maildrop is not working on all my APple Machines, any idea?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Are you trying to mail to your own address?
If so you could try using airdrop instead to send things to an Ios device or 
mac.
/A

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Maildrop is not working on all my APple Machines, any idea?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I was using The maildrop to send any large files, but from more than a month, i 
can not use it, i did not get any errors or something, but the message 
delevered as empty message, with no links, and of cores i did not exceed the 1 
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

If you use pages it will convert a word doc with comments into pages and when 
you export back to word it retains comments so it is easier, I think to do all 
this kind of editing in pages. 

> On 3 Jun 2019, at 13:06, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> My experience is that comments and change tracking can crash Microsoft Word 
> and both JAWS and NVDA, in the Windows environment. I’ve lost work as a 
> result. This is also an area in which Microsoft Word for Mac could benefit 
> from accessibility improvements, although, on the positive side, it doesn’t 
> seem to crash as its Windows counterpart does.
>  
> I tend to avoid word processors when writing my own documents, but I 
> sometimes need to collaborate on Microsoft Word files, or to submit documents 
> in that format.
>  
> From: Macvisionaries  > on behalf of Leo Bado 
> mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: Macvisionaries  >
> Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 06:15
> To: Macvisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.
>  
> Hi,
> Well I am grateful as well for this feature: I mean it is fantastic. 
> Yesterday I was trying to make comments and reply in a word document, but 
> neither jaws or n v d a were working as expected in office 365. It might have 
> been that there were so many comments and insertions that both screen readers 
> crushed out.  Therefore, I turned on my mac and everything was smooth sailing 
> from that point on. The only thing that I find a bit annoying  is that when I 
> want to read the document with no distractions, voice over keeps verbalizing 
> the first comment in an annotation, but I guess I just will have to copy the 
> text on textedit and turn back to pages each time I want to make a new 
> comment or reply to a previous one.
> 
> "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 
> Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
> I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
> All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
>  
>  
> Leo Bado
> El 03/06/2019 a las 2:16, Julie Rattray escribió:
>> Hi, 
>>  
>> Never tried turning them off because I was so glad when they started to be 
>> read out   
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jun 2019, at 15:23, Leo Bado >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> My question is simple:
>>> How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?
>>>  
>>> I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under the 
>>> view menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level as the 
>>> default verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for something in 
>>> voice over utilities that can be related to comments or annotations but I 
>>> haven’t found anything.
>>>  
>>> Does someone know how to do this?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -- 
>>> "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 
>>> Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
>>> I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
>>> All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Leo Bado
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

My experience is that comments and change tracking can crash Microsoft Word and 
both JAWS and NVDA, in the Windows environment. I’ve lost work as a result. 
This is also an area in which Microsoft Word for Mac could benefit from 
accessibility improvements, although, on the positive side, it doesn’t seem to 
crash as its Windows counterpart does.

 

I tend to avoid word processors when writing my own documents, but I sometimes 
need to collaborate on Microsoft Word files, or to submit documents in that 
format.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Leo Bado 

Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Monday, June 3, 2019 at 06:15
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

 

Hi,

Well I am grateful as well for this feature: I mean it is fantastic. Yesterday 
I was trying to make comments and reply in a word document, but neither jaws or 
n v d a were working as expected in office 365. It might have been that there 
were so many comments and insertions that both screen readers crushed out.  
Therefore, I turned on my mac and everything was smooth sailing from that point 
on. The only thing that I find a bit annoying  is that when I want to read the 
document with no distractions, voice over keeps verbalizing the first comment 
in an annotation, but I guess I just will have to copy the text on textedit and 
turn back to pages each time I want to make a new comment or reply to a 
previous one.


"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
 
 
Leo Bado
El 03/06/2019 a las 2:16, Julie Rattray escribió:

Hi, 

 

Never tried turning them off because I was so glad when they started to be read 
out   



On 1 Jun 2019, at 15:23, Leo Bado  wrote:

 

Hello everyone,

My question is simple:

How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?

 

I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under the view 
menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level as the default 
verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for something in voice over 
utilities that can be related to comments or annotations but I haven’t found 
anything.

 

Does someone know how to do this?

 

 

 

 
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Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
 
 
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

[Leo Bado]

Hi,

Well I am grateful as well for this feature: I mean it is fantastic. 
Yesterday I was trying to make comments and reply in a word document, 
but neither jaws or n v d a were working as expected in office 365. It 
might have been that there were so many comments and insertions that 
both screen readers crushed out.Therefore, I turned on my mac and 
everything was smooth sailing from that point on. The only thing that I 
find a bit annoying is that when I want to read the document with no 
distractions, voice over keeps verbalizing the first comment in an 
annotation, but I guess I just will have to copy the text on textedit 
and turn back to pages each time I want to make a new comment or reply 
to a previous one.


"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate.
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."


Leo Bado

El 03/06/2019 a las 2:16, Julie Rattray escribió:

Hi,

Never tried turning them off because I was so glad when they started 
to be read out


On 1 Jun 2019, at 15:23, Leo Bado > wrote:


Hello everyone,

My question is simple:

How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?


I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under 
the view menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level 
as the default verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for 
something in voice over utilities that can be related to comments or 
annotations but I haven’t found anything.



Does someone know how to do this?





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Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate.
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."


Leo Bado

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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

[Leo Bado]

Hi Anne,
from now on, I guess that's what I'll have to do since I can't think of 
a better idea.

Thanks.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate.
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."


Leo Bado

El 03/06/2019 a las 2:33, Anne Robertson escribió:

Hello Leo,

What I do when reading through a translation with change tracking on, 
is to select all and paste into a TextEdit document. That way, I can 
read through the whole thing as it would appear with all the changes 
accepted.

Cheers,

Anne




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Hello everyone,

My question is simple:

How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?


I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under 
the view menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level 
as the default verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for 
something in voice over utilities that can be related to comments or 
annotations but I haven’t found anything.



Does someone know how to do this?





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Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate.
All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."


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Re: make 2 contacts for personal and business use,

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks for ur suggestions

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> On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> If you wish to sync the contacts through iCloud, then you'll need two 
> separate Apple ID's.  If you turn off Contacts within iCloud, then you should 
> be able to maintain just one Apple ID, but the business iPhone would not have 
> it's contacts syncing or saved in iCloud.  The second option works fine, but 
> you'll need to make sure that you maintain a good backup routine as those 
> contacts would only reside on the iPhone.
> 
> Later...
> 
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> On Jun 1, 2019, at 17:29, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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> I have all my Iphones macs etc, But i am using 1 Iphone for Personal use, and 
> the other 1 is for Business, I need to put my contacts on the Business Phone 
> are not the same as on my Personal 1, Because on my business i need to add 
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Leo,

What I do when reading through a translation with change tracking on, is to 
select all and paste into a TextEdit document. That way, I can read through the 
whole thing as it would appear with all the changes accepted.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 1 Jun 2019, at 16:23, Leo Bado  wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> My question is simple:
> 
> How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?
> 
>  
> I’ve tried checking all the options related to hiding comments under the view 
> menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level as the default 
> verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for something in voice over 
> utilities that can be related to comments or annotations but I haven’t found 
> anything.
> 
>  
> Does someone know how to do this?
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -- 
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> Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
> I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
> All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
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Re: Voice Over and annotations in pages.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Never tried turning them off because I was so glad when they started to be read 
out   

> On 1 Jun 2019, at 15:23, Leo Bado  > wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> My question is simple:
> 
> How to stop voice over from reading comments and annotations on pages?
> 
>  
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> menu, but nothing seems to work. I use low verbosity level as the default 
> verbosity for voice over, and I’ve already looked for something in voice over 
> utilities that can be related to comments or annotations but I haven’t found 
> anything.
> 
>  
> Does someone know how to do this?
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> -- 
> "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. 
> Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. 
> I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. 
> All these moments will be lost in time. Like tears in rain."
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