Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

on my Mac it's a click.

> On Jun 25, 2020, at 4:14 AM, trevor scott  wrote:
> 
> I’ve never heard a bleep and when else would you look to see if your download 
> has finished except when your downloading?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 09:42, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That option will only work if there is a download in progress.  Anyway when 
>> you do get a download then you hear a small bleep of some kind.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 04:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   When I download a file in Safari and know it is going to take time, I do 
>>> the cmd-option-l and VO-left (I think its left) to the download table and 
>>> intaract with it. VO-shift-down arrow. Interact again with the download in 
>>> progress. Thie table can have multiple downloads going such as TV shows or 
>>> movies. I don't use the Finder for this.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/2020 8:19 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I apparently don't know anything about this.I thought it was the downloads 
 folder in finder we were talking about. I found downloads in the toolbar 
 but it says: "no title to interact" when I try. can you tell me how to 
 interact with the downloads table and manage that way?
 thanks.
 Lorie
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:58 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>   It's a simple thing to open the download manager and interact with the 
> table to monitor downloads.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/24/2020 4:38 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just quite that one, started it again and interacted with the download 
>> as soon as I started it. this time I did get the progress indicator.
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site 
>>> you’re trying to download from is allowing downloads? When Catalina 
>>> came out last year, the safari that came out at the same time requires 
>>> you to approve downloads from domains.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be able 
>>> to understand what I’m trying to say.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it may 
 have gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the status and 
 I get things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". seems like it 
 might be a focus problem. how can I get it to show me what I want to 
 see?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

Well, I have a late 2019 MacBook Pro, and it’s not loud at all here.
Devin Prater
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> On Jun 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi devon,
>  
> Trust me,
>  
> I can get pretty bloody loud on a new mac book air
>  
> I set one up a couple of weeks ago for a staff member at work,
>  
> I wanted to wipe it completely and start the image again from scratch and a 
> couple of times the volume went up to higher than normal and it was very 
> clear and easy to hear 4 offices away.
>  
> And that was a new 2020 13” mac book air.
>  
> From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Friday, 26 June 2020 1:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
>  
> I wonder if it’ll sound the same? Right now it’s… a little quiet and 
> fuzzy-sounding, like it was recorded and transcoded to MP3 several times.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com 
> Https://devinprater.github.io 
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> You can get the start up chime back now if you use the correct command
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2020 5:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
>  
> True.  The start-up chime is iconic.  I remember my old Apple IIc had its own 
> chime sound.  I was totally dismayed when Apple did away with it on the 2016 
> MBPs.
> I too have restored the chime on my 2019 MBP 13 and my new mini.
> Wish I could get it on my iPhone/iPad.  That would be awesome.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 23:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi Brad,
>  
> Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
> well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina 
> on my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is 
> just what the Doctor ordered.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
>  
> The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
> Mike Peterson 
> 
> Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
> four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.
> The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
> introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar 
> . Ever 
> since then, macOS  has been silent on 
> startup. 
> That changes in the first macOS Big Sur 
> beta. AppleInsider confirmed 
> the chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini 
>  and a 2016 15-inch MacBook Pro 
> .
> Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
> like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
> that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play 
> sound on startup" option in System Preferences.
> Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
> didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
> state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
> were created using snippets of the originals.
> During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye 
> said that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more 
> refined."
> Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update 
> to macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
> Terminal command 
> 
>  to actually enable them.
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RE: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with VoiceOver

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi John,

Yeeah I've used a couple of different service management / crms systems and 
although they would probably do the job, 
To me they would be to over the top for her.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Friday, 26 June 2020 1:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with 
VoiceOver

  I’ll have her take a look at this as well. She is doing the research, so she 
is calling it CRM software. I don’t have any experience either way, so I’ll 
take your word for it.

Thank you for the recommendation.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




> On Jun 25, 2020, at 5:22 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure you are using the correct terminology here,
> 
> CRM customer relationship management software is what a call centre would use 
> for logging incoming / outgoing calls to service teams or customers.
> 
> If you are looking for something to log accounts / accounting billing 
> related information Then may be look at something like XERO!
> 
> But going back to your cRMS question, have your person check out 
> Dynamic 365 CRM,
> 
> It's an office 365 or Microsoft 365  package now that is available  on ios 
> devices and through the web on mac computers.
> 
> It has gotten better with accessibility  but I've not looked at it for about 
> 6 months so it may have improved or gotten worse.
> 
> But check it out.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 6:58 AM
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible 
> with VoiceOver
> 
> Hi everyone,
>Does anyone know of a CRM package for the Mac or iOS that is accessible 
> with VoiceOver. This would be for free lance people who need to schedule 
> invoices and keep track of their business easily. I have a client looking for 
> an accessible package and though I found an app called, Bonzai, the interface 
> on the Mac is really crappy. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
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RE: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi devon,

Trust me,

I can get pretty bloody loud on a new mac book air

I set one up a couple of weeks ago for a staff member at work,

I wanted to wipe it completely and start the image again from scratch and a 
couple of times the volume went up to higher than normal and it was very clear 
and easy to hear 4 offices away.

And that was a new 2020 13” mac book air.

From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 26 June 2020 1:23 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

I wonder if it’ll sound the same? Right now it’s… a little quiet and 
fuzzy-sounding, like it was recorded and transcoded to MP3 several times.
Devin Prater
d.pra...@me.com
Https://devinprater.github.io


On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

You can get the start up chime back now if you use the correct command

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2020 5:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

True.  The start-up chime is iconic.  I remember my old Apple IIc had its own 
chime sound.  I was totally dismayed when Apple did away with it on the 2016 
MBPs.
I too have restored the chime on my 2019 MBP 13 and my new mini.
Wish I could get it on my iPhone/iPad.  That would be awesome.

- Brad -

On Jun 23, 2020, at 23:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Brad,

Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina on 
my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is just 
what the Doctor ordered.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
Mike Peterson
[article thumbnail]
Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.
The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch 
Bar. Ever 
since then, macOS has been silent on 
startup.
That changes in the first macOS Big 
Surbeta. AppleInsider confirmed 
the chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac 
mini and a 2016 15-inch MacBook 
Pro.
Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play sound 
on startup" option in System Preferences.
Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
were created using snippets of the originals.
During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye said 
that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more refined."
Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update to 
macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
Terminal 
command
 to actually enable them.
AppleInsider has affiliate partnerships and may earn commission on products 
purchased through affiliate links. These partnerships do not influence our 
editorial content.

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RE: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Simon A Fogarty]

I know this is probably something you’ve done but
Have you selected the correct account type?
iMap obviously

and then ensure that you have the correct server and ports / encryption type 
selected?

Even selecting the ssl rather than ssl / tls can cause things not to work.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Julie Rattray
Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 10:53 PM
To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

Hi,

Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I have 
been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud account (on a 
windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the correct email 
address and password and checking server settings which mirror those I see on 
mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their something I need to do 
that I am missing


On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been very reliable for 
me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. One of my 
accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hello all.

If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.

Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what would 
happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules up globally 
using the ICloud.com (I go on about it enough as you will 
all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the Mac, it’s all fixed, 
my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but unfortunately there are inboxes 
in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I will get rid of them.  Some 
experimenting I will have to do to see if I can delete those unwanted folders.  
I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in junk inboxes!

Kawal.
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Re: Seeing Ai issues?

[Petrus Tuerlings]

It works pretty well for me as well. I’m guessing there could be plenty of 
reasons for different results. The model of phone and the camera on said phone, 
or the lighting conditions or even the steadiness of ones hand.  The only place 
I can’t seem to get it to do what I want is reading the touch screen on the 
oven at work. 

> On 26/06/2020, at 05:59, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just had it read a fairly busy screen on my iMac in Short Text mode and it 
> did fine.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 25, 2020, at 11:56 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>   I just tried it with the short text channel, works fine. Barcodes too.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 6/25/2020 10:41 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
>> I’m using short text and its awful now.
>> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > *On Behalf Of *Jessica Moss
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:06 AM
>> *To:* 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries > >
>> *Subject:* Re: Seeing Ai issues?
>> I’ve noticed, not really with the short text portion of the app, but the 
>> exact same thing you’re describing with the barcode option.  It seems to be 
>> really quirky when trying to scan for a barcode, then when it finally 
>> detects it, it displays the “text not recognized” message. So at this point, 
>> I either just use the short text option and try to ID the item as best I 
>> can, or if I need directions read to me, I just call an Aira agent and have 
>> them read them to me.
>>On Jun 25, 2020, at 7:47 AM, > 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> wrote:
>>All:
>>Is anyone else having issues with the Seeing ai app? Its horrible
>>for me. The app no longer automatically finds text. I have to
>>manually choose take a picture, as well as it keeps saying nothing
>>is visible.. I’ve even tested on items I’ve read before.
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Re: zoom

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, I’ve heard VO announce this command, but I’ve never got it to work yet.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 25, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Also when someone is waiting it does say press  cmd + to open the pop up which 
I think if you do it quickly works but if not the pop up disappears 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 05:07, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> yes.  Thanks for reminding me Julie, and thanks for pointing out the specific 
> shortcut Brad.  Using cmd-u to open the Participants panel does reduce the 
> number of steps to admit people.  I usually open it right after I start the 
> session, so often forget about that shortcut.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Command plus U will open the participants panel.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 18:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Make sure that the Participants panel is open.  It’s not usually open by 
> default.  VO-space on the Participants button to open it.  If someone is 
> waiting in the Waiting Room, then there will be a table.  You can use 
> VO-cmd-t to quickly move to that table, then VO left a time or two and VO 
> should announce how many people are in the Waiting Room.  There should also 
> be an Admit All button.  If you wish to be more discerning, and if you have 
> numerous people in the Waiting Room, then interact with it and interact with 
> the row with the name of the person you wish to admit.  VO-right to find the 
> Admit button and VO-space on it.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Marie Lyons  > wrote:
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> I attempted to host a meeting but the participant couldn’t get into the 
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> figure out how to do this. What do I have to do as host to let people into 
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Re: zoom

[Julie Rattray]

Also when someone is waiting it does say press  cmd + to open the pop up which 
I think if you do it quickly works but if not the pop up disappears 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 05:07, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> yes.  Thanks for reminding me Julie, and thanks for pointing out the specific 
> shortcut Brad.  Using cmd-u to open the Participants panel does reduce the 
> number of steps to admit people.  I usually open it right after I start the 
> session, so often forget about that shortcut.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
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> Command plus U will open the participants panel.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 18:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> Make sure that the Participants panel is open.  It’s not usually open by 
> default.  VO-space on the Participants button to open it.  If someone is 
> waiting in the Waiting Room, then there will be a table.  You can use 
> VO-cmd-t to quickly move to that table, then VO left a time or two and VO 
> should announce how many people are in the Waiting Room.  There should also 
> be an Admit All button.  If you wish to be more discerning, and if you have 
> numerous people in the Waiting Room, then interact with it and interact with 
> the row with the name of the person you wish to admit.  VO-right to find the 
> Admit button and VO-space on it.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
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> 
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> meeting. He said I had to let him in. I looked through the menus but couldn’t 
> figure out how to do this. What do I have to do as host to let people into 
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks I will try that 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 15:13, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> If you are trying to use n iCloud email address on a Windows machine, I think 
> you will need to first download and install iCloud for Windows,
> See the following Apple support website for more information and a download 
> link:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204283 
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2020, at 05:53, Julie Rattray  > wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I 
> have been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud 
> account (on a windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the 
> correct email address and password and checking server settings which mirror 
> those I see on mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their 
> something I need to do that I am missing 
> 
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>> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been very reliable 
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>> my accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
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>> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>>> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
>>> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>>> 
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>>> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules 
>>> up globally using the ICloud.com  (I go on about it 
>>> enough as you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the 
>>> Mac, it’s all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but 
>>> unfortunately there are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I 
>>> will get rid of them.  Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can 
>>> delete those unwanted folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in 
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Re: Seeing Ai issues?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I just had it read a fairly busy screen on my iMac in Short Text mode and it 
did fine.

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On Jun 25, 2020, at 11:56 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  I just tried it with the short text channel, works fine. Barcodes too.

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On 6/25/2020 10:41 AM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> I’m using short text and its awful now.
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  *On 
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> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:06 AM
> *To:* 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
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> I’ve noticed, not really with the short text portion of the app, but the 
> exact same thing you’re describing with the barcode option.  It seems to be 
> really quirky when trying to scan for a barcode, then when it finally detects 
> it, it displays the “text not recognized” message. So at this point, I either 
> just use the short text option and try to ID the item as best I can, or if I 
> need directions read to me, I just call an Aira agent and have them read them 
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Re: Seeing Ai issues?

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   I just tried it with the short text channel, works fine. Barcodes too.

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I’m using short text and its awful now.

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*Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:06 AM
*To:* 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
*Subject:* Re: Seeing Ai issues?

I’ve noticed, not really with the short text portion of the app, but the 
exact same thing you’re describing with the barcode option.  It seems to 
be really quirky when trying to scan for a barcode, then when it finally 
detects it, it displays the “text not recognized” message. So at this 
point, I either just use the short text option and try to ID the item as 
best I can, or if I need directions read to me, I just call an Aira 
agent and have them read them to me.




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All:

Is anyone else having issues with the Seeing ai app? Its horrible
for me. The app no longer automatically finds text. I have to
manually choose take a picture, as well as it keeps saying nothing
is visible.. I’ve even tested on items I’ve read before.

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Re: Why the Mac's migration to Apple Silicon is bigger than ARM | Appleinsider

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I seldom use windows so for me its not a problem.
What i wonder if it will posible will be posible to run linux as there are non 
intel versions  for other platfors.
I think there’s an arm version.
/A

> 24 juni 2020 kl. 20:06 skrev lenron brown :
> 
> Okay that sucks if no more bootcamp. I plan on replacing my mac book
> at some point but it for sure won't be brand new if that's the case.
> 
> On 6/24/20, dan d.  wrote:
>> It includes the death of boot camp also.
>> 
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Barry Hadder wrote:
>> 
>>> I thought some might find this to be an interesting read regarding
>>> Apple???s upcoming mac architecture.
>>> 
 https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/23/why-the-macs-migration-to-apple-silicon-is-bigger-than-arm
 
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RE: Seeing Ai issues?

[sarai.bucciarelli]

I’m using short text and its awful now.

 

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Behalf Of Jessica Moss
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 8:06 AM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Seeing Ai issues?

 

I’ve noticed, not really with the short text portion of the app, but the exact 
same thing you’re describing with the barcode option.  It seems to be really 
quirky when trying to scan for a barcode, then when it finally detects it, it 
displays the “text not recognized” message. So at this point, I either just use 
the short text option and try to ID the item as best I can, or if I need 
directions read to me, I just call an Aira agent and have them read them to me.





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All:

Is anyone else having issues with the Seeing ai app? Its horrible for me. The 
app no longer automatically finds text. I have to manually choose take a 
picture, as well as it keeps saying nothing is visible.. I’ve even tested on 
items I’ve read before.

 

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Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

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> On Jun 25, 2020, at 9:24 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> I wonder if it’ll sound the same? Right now it’s… a little quiet and 
> fuzzy-sounding, like it was recorded and transcoded to MP3 several times.
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>> On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> You can get the start up chime back now if you use the correct command
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2020 5:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
>>  
>> True.  The start-up chime is iconic.  I remember my old Apple IIc had its 
>> own chime sound.  I was totally dismayed when Apple did away with it on the 
>> 2016 MBPs.
>> I too have restored the chime on my 2019 MBP 13 and my new mini.
>> Wish I could get it on my iPhone/iPad.  That would be awesome.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>  
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 23:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Brad,
>>  
>> Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
>> well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina 
>> on my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is 
>> just what the Doctor ordered.
>>  
>> Later…
>>  
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>>  
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>  
>> The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
>> Mike Peterson
>> 
>> Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
>> four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.
>> The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
>> introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar. Ever since then, macOS 
>> has been silent on startup. 
>> That changes in the first macOS Big Surbeta. AppleInsider confirmed the 
>> chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini and a 2016 15-inch MacBook Pro.
>> Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
>> like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
>> that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play 
>> sound on startup" option in System Preferences.
>> Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
>> didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
>> state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," 
>> and were created using snippets of the originals.
>> During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye 
>> said that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more 
>> refined."
>> Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update 
>> to macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
>> Terminal command to actually enable them.
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Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

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   Look in System preferences, Sounds.

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On 6/25/2020 2:14 AM, trevor scott wrote:
I’ve never heard a bleep and when else would you look to see if your 
download has finished except when your downloading?




On 25 Jun 2020, at 09:42, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


That option will only work if there is a download in progress.  Anyway 
when you do get a download then you hear a small bleep of some kind.


Kawal.

On 25 Jun 2020, at 04:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


  When I download a file in Safari and know it is going to take time, 
I do the cmd-option-l and VO-left (I think its left) to the download 
table and intaract with it. VO-shift-down arrow. Interact again with 
the download in progress. Thie table can have multiple downloads 
going such as TV shows or movies. I don't use the Finder for this.


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On 6/24/2020 8:19 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I apparently don't know anything about this.I thought it was the 
downloads folder in finder we were talking about. I found downloads 
in the toolbar but it says: "no title to interact" when I try. can 
you tell me how to interact with the downloads table and manage that 
way?

thanks.
Lorie
On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:58 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


  It's a simple thing to open the download manager and interact 
with the table to monitor downloads.


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On 6/24/2020 4:38 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I just quite that one, started it again and interacted with the 
download as soon as I started it. this time I did get the progress 
indicator.
On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Good evening,
Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site 
you’re trying to download from is allowing downloads? When 
Catalina came out last year, the safari that came out at the same 
time requires you to approve downloads from domains.

Good luck!
Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be 
able to understand what I’m trying to say.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud > wrote:


I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it 
may have gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the 
status and I get things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". 
seems like it might be a focus problem. how can I get it to show 
me what I want to see?


thanks.
Lorie

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Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   If the download completed you will hear something like 'there is no 
items'. If one is still in progress you will find it in the downloads table.


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On 6/25/2020 2:14 AM, trevor scott wrote:
I’ve never heard a bleep and when else would you look to see if your 
download has finished except when your downloading?




On 25 Jun 2020, at 09:42, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


That option will only work if there is a download in progress.  Anyway 
when you do get a download then you hear a small bleep of some kind.


Kawal.

On 25 Jun 2020, at 04:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


  When I download a file in Safari and know it is going to take time, 
I do the cmd-option-l and VO-left (I think its left) to the download 
table and intaract with it. VO-shift-down arrow. Interact again with 
the download in progress. Thie table can have multiple downloads 
going such as TV shows or movies. I don't use the Finder for this.


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On 6/24/2020 8:19 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I apparently don't know anything about this.I thought it was the 
downloads folder in finder we were talking about. I found downloads 
in the toolbar but it says: "no title to interact" when I try. can 
you tell me how to interact with the downloads table and manage that 
way?

thanks.
Lorie
On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:58 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


  It's a simple thing to open the download manager and interact 
with the table to monitor downloads.


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On 6/24/2020 4:38 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
I just quite that one, started it again and interacted with the 
download as soon as I started it. this time I did get the progress 
indicator.
On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Good evening,
Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site 
you’re trying to download from is allowing downloads? When 
Catalina came out last year, the safari that came out at the same 
time requires you to approve downloads from domains.

Good luck!
Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be 
able to understand what I’m trying to say.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud > wrote:


I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it 
may have gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the 
status and I get things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". 
seems like it might be a focus problem. how can I get it to show 
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thanks.
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Brad Snyder]

If you are trying to use n iCloud email address on a Windows machine, I think 
you will need to first download and install iCloud for Windows,
See the following Apple support website for more information and a download 
link:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204283 


HTH

- Brad -


On Jun 25, 2020, at 05:53, Julie Rattray  wrote:

Hi,

Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I have 
been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud account (on a 
windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the correct email 
address and password and checking server settings which mirror those I see on 
mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their something I need to do 
that I am missing 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been very reliable 
> for me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. One of my 
> accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
> 
> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
>> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>> 
>> Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what 
>> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules up 
>> globally using the ICloud.com  (I go on about it enough 
>> as you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the Mac, 
>> it’s all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but unfortunately 
>> there are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I will get rid of 
>> them.  Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can delete those 
>> unwanted folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in junk inboxes!
>> 
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Re: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with VoiceOver

[John Panarese]

  I’ll have her take a look at this as well. She is doing the research, so she 
is calling it CRM software. I don’t have any experience either way, so I’ll 
take your word for it.

Thank you for the recommendation.


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> 
> I'm not sure you are using the correct terminology here,
> 
> CRM customer relationship management software is what a call centre would use 
> for logging incoming / outgoing calls to service teams or customers.
> 
> If you are looking for something to log accounts / accounting billing related 
> information 
> Then may be look at something like XERO!
> 
> But going back to your cRMS question, have your person check out Dynamic 365 
> CRM,
> 
> It's an office 365 or Microsoft 365  package now that is available  on ios 
> devices and through the web on mac computers.
> 
> It has gotten better with accessibility  but I've not looked at it for about 
> 6 months so it may have improved or gotten worse.
> 
> But check it out.
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> Behalf Of John Panarese
> Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 6:58 AM
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with 
> VoiceOver
> 
> Hi everyone,
>Does anyone know of a CRM package for the Mac or iOS that is accessible 
> with VoiceOver. This would be for free lance people who need to schedule 
> invoices and keep track of their business easily. I have a client looking for 
> an accessible package and though I found an app called, Bonzai, the interface 
> on the Mac is really crappy. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> 
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Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

['Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries]

I wonder if it’ll sound the same? Right now it’s… a little quiet and 
fuzzy-sounding, like it was recorded and transcoded to MP3 several times.
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> On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:59 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> You can get the start up chime back now if you use the correct command
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2020 5:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
>  
> True.  The start-up chime is iconic.  I remember my old Apple IIc had its own 
> chime sound.  I was totally dismayed when Apple did away with it on the 2016 
> MBPs.
> I too have restored the chime on my 2019 MBP 13 and my new mini.
> Wish I could get it on my iPhone/iPad.  That would be awesome.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 23:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Hi Brad,
>  
> Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
> well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina 
> on my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is 
> just what the Doctor ordered.
>  
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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>  
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
>  
> The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
> Mike Peterson 
> 
> Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
> four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.
> The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
> introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar 
> . Ever 
> since then, macOS  has been silent on 
> startup. 
> That changes in the first macOS Big Sur 
> beta. AppleInsider confirmed 
> the chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac mini 
>  and a 2016 15-inch MacBook Pro 
> .
> Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
> like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
> that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play 
> sound on startup" option in System Preferences.
> Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
> didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
> state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
> were created using snippets of the originals.
> During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye 
> said that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more 
> refined."
> Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update 
> to macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
> Terminal command 
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Re: Seeing Ai issues?

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve noticed, not really with the short text portion of the app, but the exact 
same thing you’re describing with the barcode option.  It seems to be really 
quirky when trying to scan for a barcode, then when it finally detects it, it 
displays the “text not recognized” message. So at this point, I either just use 
the short text option and try to ID the item as best I can, or if I need 
directions read to me, I just call an Aira agent and have them read them to me.

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> app no longer automatically finds text. I have to manually choose take a 
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Re: Why the Mac's migration to Apple Silicon is bigger than ARM | Appleinsider

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

One of the glories of homebrew apps on Mac hardware is that you can
still send output to your various media devices.

Life is not so on Microsoft under WSL. Though I wouldn't be without my
Ubuntu on my office provided Windows machine, I do see this demarcation
as a serious barrier.

Presumably, this won't go away on the new hardware platform, though it
will clearly require new drivers.

Best,

Janina

'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> I read this article yesterday. It's the most informative commentary I've
> found so far on Apple's strategy.
> 
> It also includes a virtualization solution supporting Linux (not sure about
> Microsoft Windows, however). As I only run Mac OS and Mac software on my
> Mac, I don't expect any downside to the new hardware from my personal
> perspective. I expect the Homebrew developers will just recompile all of
> their packages and patch anything that doesn't compile for the 64-bit ARM
> architecture already.
> 
> On 6/24/20 2:01 PM, dan d. wrote:
> > It includes the death of boot camp also.
> > 
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Barry Hadder wrote:
> > 
> > > I thought some might find this to be an interesting read regarding 
> > > Apple???s upcoming mac architecture.
> > > 
> > > > https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/23/why-the-macs-migration-to-apple-silicon-is-bigger-than-arm
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Re: Seeing Ai issues?

[Phil Halton]

I haven’t used it lately. I’ve been using voice dream scanner almost 
exclusively for reading text. However, if all else fails, I have found that 
sometimes deleting the app and reinstalling is the only option. Sometimes it 
helps. Perhaps a recent update is the culprit but redownloading has  worked for 
me   in the past.

Sent from my IPhone


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Seeing Ai issues?

[sarai.bucciarelli]

All:

Is anyone else having issues with the Seeing ai app? Its horrible for me.
The app no longer automatically finds text. I have to manually choose take a
picture, as well as it keeps saying nothing is visible.. I've even tested on
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I have 
been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud account (on a 
windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the correct email 
address and password and checking server settings which mirror those I see on 
mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their something I need to do 
that I am missing 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been   very 
> reliable for me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. 
> One of my accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
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> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
>> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>> 
>> Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what 
>> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules up 
>> globally using the ICloud.com  (I go on about it enough 
>> as you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the Mac, 
>> it’s all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but unfortunately 
>> there are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I will get rid of 
>> them.  Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can delete those 
>> unwanted folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in junk inboxes!
>> 
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Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

May be you need to put some sounds on, I don’t know how I have it.

Kawal.

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 10:14, trevor scott  wrote:
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> I’ve never heard a bleep and when else would you look to see if your download 
> has finished except when your downloading?
> 
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>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 09:42, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> That option will only work if there is a download in progress.  Anyway when 
>> you do get a download then you hear a small bleep of some kind.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 04:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>>   When I download a file in Safari and know it is going to take time, I do 
>>> the cmd-option-l and VO-left (I think its left) to the download table and 
>>> intaract with it. VO-shift-down arrow. Interact again with the download in 
>>> progress. Thie table can have multiple downloads going such as TV shows or 
>>> movies. I don't use the Finder for this.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/2020 8:19 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I apparently don't know anything about this.I thought it was the downloads 
 folder in finder we were talking about. I found downloads in the toolbar 
 but it says: "no title to interact" when I try. can you tell me how to 
 interact with the downloads table and manage that way?
 thanks.
 Lorie
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>   It's a simple thing to open the download manager and interact with the 
> table to monitor downloads.
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> On 6/24/2020 4:38 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I just quite that one, started it again and interacted with the download 
>> as soon as I started it. this time I did get the progress indicator.
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site 
>>> you’re trying to download from is allowing downloads? When Catalina 
>>> came out last year, the safari that came out at the same time requires 
>>> you to approve downloads from domains.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be able 
>>> to understand what I’m trying to say.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it may 
 have gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the status and 
 I get things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". seems like it 
 might be a focus problem. how can I get it to show me what I want to 
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RE: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with VoiceOver

[Simon A Fogarty]

I'm not sure you are using the correct terminology here,

 CRM customer relationship management software is what a call centre would use 
for logging incoming / outgoing calls to service teams or customers.

 If you are looking for something to log accounts / accounting billing related 
information 
Then may be look at something like XERO!

But going back to your cRMS question, have your person check out Dynamic 365 
CRM,

 It's an office 365 or Microsoft 365  package now that is available  on ios 
devices and through the web on mac computers.

 It has gotten better with accessibility  but I've not looked at it for about 6 
months so it may have improved or gotten worse.

But check it out.
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Behalf Of John Panarese
Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 6:58 AM
To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Customer relationship Management software that is accessible with 
VoiceOver

Hi everyone,
Does anyone know of a CRM package for the Mac or iOS that is accessible 
with VoiceOver. This would be for free lance people who need to schedule 
invoices and keep track of their business easily. I have a client looking for 
an accessible package and though I found an app called, Bonzai, the interface 
on the Mac is really crappy. Any suggestions would be appreciated.


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RE: Why the Mac's migration to Apple Silicon is bigger than ARM | Appleinsider

[Simon A Fogarty]

Bugger.

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Subject: Re: Why the Mac's migration to Apple Silicon is bigger than ARM | 
Appleinsider

It includes the death of boot camp also.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, Barry Hadder wrote:

> I thought some might find this to be an interesting read regarding Apple???s 
> upcoming mac architecture.
>
> > https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/23/why-the-macs-migration-to-apple-silicon-is-bigger-than-arm
> >  
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Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

[trevor scott]

I’ve never heard a bleep and when else would you look to see if your download 
has finished except when your downloading?



> On 25 Jun 2020, at 09:42, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That option will only work if there is a download in progress.  Anyway when 
> you do get a download then you hear a small bleep of some kind.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 04:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>   When I download a file in Safari and know it is going to take time, I do 
>> the cmd-option-l and VO-left (I think its left) to the download table and 
>> intaract with it. VO-shift-down arrow. Interact again with the download in 
>> progress. Thie table can have multiple downloads going such as TV shows or 
>> movies. I don't use the Finder for this.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 6/24/2020 8:19 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>>> I apparently don't know anything about this.I thought it was the downloads 
>>> folder in finder we were talking about. I found downloads in the toolbar 
>>> but it says: "no title to interact" when I try. can you tell me how to 
>>> interact with the downloads table and manage that way?
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
 On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:58 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
   It's a simple thing to open the download manager and interact with the 
 table to monitor downloads.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 6/24/2020 4:38 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> I just quite that one, started it again and interacted with the download 
> as soon as I started it. this time I did get the progress indicator.
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Good evening,
>> Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site you’re 
>> trying to download from is allowing downloads? When Catalina came out 
>> last year, the safari that came out at the same time requires you to 
>> approve downloads from domains.
>> Good luck!
>> Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be able to 
>> understand what I’m trying to say.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it may 
>>> have gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the status and I 
>>> get things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". seems like it might 
>>> be a focus problem. how can I get it to show me what I want to see?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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RE: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

[Simon A Fogarty]

You can get the start up chime back now if you use the correct command

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Subject: Re: The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur

True.  The start-up chime is iconic.  I remember my old Apple IIc had its own 
chime sound.  I was totally dismayed when Apple did away with it on the 2016 
MBPs.
I too have restored the chime on my 2019 MBP 13 and my new mini.
Wish I could get it on my iPhone/iPad.  That would be awesome.

- Brad -

On Jun 23, 2020, at 23:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Brad,

Thanks for this info.  The Startup Chime is classic in my opinion and pretty 
well necessary for us blind users.  I did do the Terminal thing in Catalina on 
my 2017 MBP and it worked like a charm.  Putting it into System Prefs is just 
what the Doctor ordered.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

The Mac startup chime is making a return in macOS Big Sur
Mike Peterson
[article thumbnail]
Apple is officially bringing back the Mac startup chime with macOS Big Sur, 
four years after removing it in a previous version of the operating system.
The classic Mac sound was removed from Apple's lineup of computers with the 
introduction of the 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch 
Bar. Ever 
since then, macOS has been silent on 
startup.
That changes in the first macOS Big 
Surbeta. AppleInsider confirmed 
the chime's reintroduction on a 2018 Mac 
mini and a 2016 15-inch MacBook 
Pro.
Based on social media posts from developers running the first beta, it looks 
like the startup chime is widely available on other models, too. It appears 
that users can toggle the sound on and off, since there's now a new "Play sound 
on startup" option in System Preferences.
Apple first teased the chime's return during its WWDC 2020 keynote. While it 
didn't actually confirm the fact, Apple's macOS Big Sur features page does 
state that "system sounds are all-new and even more pleasing to the ear," and 
were created using snippets of the originals.
During Monday's WWDC keynote, Apple VP of Human Interface Design Alan Dye said 
that the new sounds are "familiar to the Mac, but remastered and more refined."
Although a software update in 2016 removed the startup chime, a later update to 
macOS Catalina actually added them under-the-hood — though it required a 
Terminal 
command
 to actually enable them.
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Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

That option will only work if there is a download in progress.  Anyway when you 
do get a download then you hear a small bleep of some kind.

Kawal.

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 04:31, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   When I download a file in Safari and know it is going to take time, I do 
> the cmd-option-l and VO-left (I think its left) to the download table and 
> intaract with it. VO-shift-down arrow. Interact again with the download in 
> progress. Thie table can have multiple downloads going such as TV shows or 
> movies. I don't use the Finder for this.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/24/2020 8:19 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
>> I apparently don't know anything about this.I thought it was the downloads 
>> folder in finder we were talking about. I found downloads in the toolbar but 
>> it says: "no title to interact" when I try. can you tell me how to interact 
>> with the downloads table and manage that way?
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:58 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   It's a simple thing to open the download manager and interact with the 
>>> table to monitor downloads.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 6/24/2020 4:38 PM, Lorie McCloud wrote:
 I just quite that one, started it again and interacted with the download 
 as soon as I started it. this time I did get the progress indicator.
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  
> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site you’re 
> trying to download from is allowing downloads? When Catalina came out 
> last year, the safari that came out at the same time requires you to 
> approve downloads from domains.
> Good luck!
> Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be able to 
> understand what I’m trying to say.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it may 
>> have gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the status and I 
>> get things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". seems like it might 
>> be a focus problem. how can I get it to show me what I want to see?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi.

I have two questions to ask.

I tested it last night and noticed that Voice Over wouldn’t speak what I typed. 
 Have you had that?

My second question is (on the windows version) you can put another email 
address in the from button if you have it showing so for instance, I could put 
my alias in which I’m writing from or my proper email address which is so and 
so at me.com  so how do you do that on the Mac version as I was 
trying to find it.

Thanks for your help.

Kawal.

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been   very 
> reliable for me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. 
> One of my accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
> 
> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
>> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>> 
>> Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what 
>> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules up 
>> globally using the ICloud.com  (I go on about it enough 
>> as you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the Mac, 
>> it’s all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but unfortunately 
>> there are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I will get rid of 
>> them.  Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can delete those 
>> unwanted folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in junk inboxes!
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: downloading with Safari on a Mac

[trevor scott]

the way I do it is;
command option l, then it says clear.  Tab once and you get the downloads, tab 
once more and that’s where you find ou whether it has downloaded or not.
If it says stop then it is still downloading and if it says show in finder then 
it is finished.
If you VO right arrow to the right a few times it should tell you how much it 
it has downloaded so far.

Also, if you don’t want it to download to downloads, you can go to Safari and
command comma to preferences and change a lot of things and one of them is 
where you want to download to.

Cheers 

Trevor
on 25 Jun 2020, at 00:36, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I can still get that if you mean the clicking sound that happens when a file 
> is downloading. you press command-option-l. then I hear "clear downloads". it 
> sounds like a command, like you're in history or something but actually you 
> can vo-shift right or left and you have downloads and clear. interact with 
> downloads then find the particular download that's happening at the moment 
> and interact with that. then you get your progress indicator. at least that's 
> the way it is in Mojave.
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:24 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> When I got my first Mac in 2010 it was snow leopard.  I remember when I 
>> started downloading things, you could interact with the download viewer and 
>> you could hear the sound of the software downloading.  Those were the days.  
>> I like the sound of software installing although they have taken the classic 
>> sound of the software downloading away or it’s not as pronounced as before.  
>> Something which you would not get in windows.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>>> On 24 Jun 2020, at 23:17, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> Did you check in the privacy and security and see what other site you’re 
>>> trying to download from is allowing downloads? When Catalina came out last 
>>> year, the safari that came out at the same time requires you to approve 
>>> downloads from domains.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Jonathan Sorry for the dictation errors, but I believe you’ll be able to 
>>> understand what I’m trying to say.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 24, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I'm still running Mojave. I'm downloading a file and I think it may have 
 gotten stuck so I press command-option-l to check the status and I get 
 things like "zoom out" and "make text smaller". seems like it might be a 
 focus problem. how can I get it to show me what I want to see?
 
 thanks.
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